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Episode 489: BOB DOLE 1995 Clintons Comeback The Florida Straw Poll Debate at Presidency 3 (Part A) Nov 17, 1995 · BOB DOLE : 1995 Clinton's Comeback

0:25
SPEAKER_00: Welcome everybody.
0:26
SPEAKER_00: This is Randall Wallace and this is Ronda 1995 Women's Comeback The Florida Straw Pole debate uh the first hour of this forum and and it is really a crazy uh uh hour because you're gonna have some candidates coming right at the start, some senators voting uh in in Washington, DC, and then they'll have this panel where they're where they're asking the same questions they've already asked some of the other folks in Washington, the ones in Washington, or being trying to answer those questions.
1:02
SPEAKER_00: They've got three or four candidates there uh in uh Orlando, Alan Keyes, uh uh Lamar Alexander and Pat Buchanan, along with Larry King, and then all the other candidates are in in another studio in DC, and they're coming in like one or two at a time because uh at the same token time that this debate is going on, they schedule the balanced budget amendment to be voted on that night.
1:28
SPEAKER_00: And that and that's what's gonna make this really exciting because uh you'll get to see that vote live in the middle of the broadcast.
1:36
SPEAKER_00: Uh and it passed only to have Bill Clinton veto it, but uh still it was the Republicans living up to their contract with America and what they said they would do, and Bob Doe getting it done.
1:47
SPEAKER_00: Uh and uh this forum is really kind of it's an interesting mix of things going on all at once before they gotta settle it down and they've got them all in there at one time.
1:57
SPEAKER_00: Uh and it sets the stage for uh the uh uh presidential three straw poll uh um election the next day and it's the first uh time uh you hear from the voters in the Republican Party uh as to which direction they want to go.
2:16
SPEAKER_00: And uh you know you'll have a couple of uh I wouldn't call it upsets that the person you think is gonna win does win, but um somebody in the field doesn't do as well as they thought they were gonna do, somebody does it better than they thought they were gonna do.
2:27
SPEAKER_00: And it's it's just an interesting way this all shakes out.
2:31
SPEAKER_00: And I thought we would include it because there's some fireworks in the debate.
2:34
SPEAKER_00: Um and uh you get a real feel for how these candidates uh how they how they work uh in November of nineteen ninety-five.
2:44
SPEAKER_00: So here's part one of the Florida Straw Poll Forum in Orlando and DC.
3:16
SPEAKER_04: If they have any census about the presidential process, the election process, they should come to Florida.
3:21
SPEAKER_16: I think they believe that this is for a very good process to take a set of 2030, other than the budget federal life for the court scratch, make it for development, special for the two more fun gentlemen, but now that we've got all nine Republican candidates in this debate, is this a significant event?
4:11
SPEAKER_08: I don't really think so.
4:12
SPEAKER_08: Uh, Senator Dole never does very well in debate, so he has low expectations.
4:16
SPEAKER_08: I think the significant event is everybody is watching to see if uh Alexander is going to make some kind of a breakthrough, such as finish second or uh being a little better.
4:27
SPEAKER_08: And I think that's what the interest is.
4:28
SPEAKER_08: If he if he thinks about Senator Graham to place in this straw poll, I think it would be very good news for Alexander and very bad news for Graham.
4:36
SPEAKER_16: Why does Lamar and Alexander suddenly have a strongest action laminar?
5:20
SPEAKER_08: I think the the the only person who is really under the gun, in my opinion, is Fitman.
5:25
SPEAKER_08: Because the Senator has worked very, very hard on the uh uh on on Florida.
5:31
SPEAKER_08: Um maybe not as hard as I heard, but but very hard indeed.
5:36
SPEAKER_08: And if he should finish third, I think that is a real blow, particularly when he is he is failing in New Hampshire.
5:43
SPEAKER_08: So I think uh this is a real test, in my opinion, it's a test for Senator Graham, whose whose camp campaign has been bereft of of good news lately.
5:51
SPEAKER_18: Yeah, but the I mean Graham has um Graham has done a lot of personal campaign, which he's pretty good at.
5:57
SPEAKER_18: Down here, he's had a good organization, they made a lot of effort.
6:00
SPEAKER_18: He has to be uh each second or very close to indistinguishable from Alexander.
6:07
SPEAKER_16: Are we really uh are we really only talking here about Darl, Graham, Alexander?
6:13
SPEAKER_16: I mean, it nobody, I mean, there's no one who says Happy Cannon that Forbes, any of the others maybe get some votes, they get votes everywhere.
6:23
SPEAKER_18: But none of the others have made an effort.
6:25
SPEAKER_18: Let's face it, most of these candidates are on life support already.
6:28
SPEAKER_18: You know, that they aren't real players, they aren't gonna last.
6:31
SPEAKER_08: Buchanan Buchanan uh uh I understand it very well this evening at the Christian coalition meeting they had.
6:37
SPEAKER_08: He is gonna get the support uh over Graham, I think, from the uh from the blind people.
6:42
SPEAKER_08: So he's gonna get some votes even though he didn't make a big effort.
6:45
SPEAKER_08: You know, the the thing we're all assuming is that Dole finishes first.
6:48
SPEAKER_08: If by if we're all count if somebody counts their votes wrong and Dole doesn't finish first, big trouble for Senator Dole.
6:55
SPEAKER_16: Just quickly, what should viewers be looking for in this debate tonight, Jack?
7:01
SPEAKER_18: Look for who picks on other people, which people they pick on.
7:04
SPEAKER_18: If Graham starts going after Alexander in any way, it will tell you he's worried about they're worried about Alexander B to be them.
7:11
SPEAKER_18: I always think you'd look at who they're picking on.
7:13
SPEAKER_08: I think they're so far in the the debate they've had, nobody has had a memorable line.
7:19
SPEAKER_08: Look for somebody to have a uh very goes again line, such as Ronald Reagan.
7:23
SPEAKER_08: Uh, something that would uh make make a candidate stand out.
7:27
SPEAKER_08: Uh, because none of these candidates will look very impressive.
7:29
SPEAKER_08: And I have to say that uh talking to the people here, they are worried sick about who they have here at the Del Clinton.
7:37
SPEAKER_16: All right, Bob Novak, Jack Damon, thank you both for joining us.
7:41
SPEAKER_16: We're competing not only with some boisterous Republicans, but with CNN's own Larry King, who's telling the crowd about the format for this debate before.
7:49
SPEAKER_16: No, no, no.
7:50
SPEAKER_16: Larry is shy of retiring, as we all know.
7:53
SPEAKER_16: Coming up next on Inside Politics, New York governor term radio talk show host Mario Plomo.
7:59
SPEAKER_16: He's plugged into the political scene.
8:02
SPEAKER_16: We'll get his take on tonight's debate, the Florida throw poll, and the GLP presidential seat.
8:42
SPEAKER_16: Well, what do you mean by that?
8:43
SPEAKER_16: I mean, you there's a lot of speculation, as you know, tonight that he may come in second.
8:47
SPEAKER_16: What do you think about it?
8:48
SPEAKER_02: If he comes in second, he's coming first.
8:49
SPEAKER_02: If he comes in second, that's exactly what he needs, is to make it a dole Alexander race.
8:55
SPEAKER_02: He has uh he has a whole lot of very desirable characteristics.
8:59
SPEAKER_02: He was an excellent governor.
9:00
SPEAKER_02: I know I served at the same time he did, but he is not an insider.
9:04
SPEAKER_02: He's not as outside as Buchanan, he's not as inside as Dolan Graham, he's not a tired face, he's bright, he's young, he's engaging, he's very conservative, but he's not menacing the way Graham is to a lot of people.
9:17
SPEAKER_02: So he has what it takes.
9:19
SPEAKER_02: He has money, he has good organization, and he hasn't made a move yet.
9:23
SPEAKER_02: This will be his first move.
9:25
SPEAKER_02: And if it's a successful one, the stories over the next week are going to be Alexander and Gold.
9:31
SPEAKER_02: That's all he needs.
9:32
SPEAKER_02: Once it's head-to-head with goal, he'll make it a real race.
9:35
SPEAKER_16: All right, I want to ask you about Alexander in a minute, but what else, other than uh looking at Lamar Alexander?
9:39
SPEAKER_16: What else should viewers be looking for?
9:41
SPEAKER_02: Well, I what what what I hope happens will not happen, I'm afraid.
9:46
SPEAKER_02: I hope one of the Republicans breaks away from the field by saying, look, what's happening in Washington now is terrible.
9:53
SPEAKER_02: Nobody in the public knows what any of them are talking about.
9:56
SPEAKER_02: It's all cynical, it's all politics as usual.
9:59
SPEAKER_02: It's especially bad for Graham and Dole, the people involved.
10:02
SPEAKER_02: It's a joke.
10:03
SPEAKER_02: The real issues are: should you cut taxes, should you cut the Medicare, should you cut the welfare?
10:09
SPEAKER_02: Give us the budget, Republicans, you're in charge.
10:12
SPEAKER_02: You say that God and the people gave you a mandate, send the budget to Clinton, continue the government in the meantime, say that you are doing the people's work.
10:21
SPEAKER_02: Let's see what Clinton says, and then let's fight it out.
10:24
SPEAKER_02: All of this preliminary jockey jockeying that shuts down the government, that makes us look bad, that hurts a lot of citizens, that makes politicians look ridiculous in Washington.
10:34
SPEAKER_02: Let's put an end to it.
10:35
SPEAKER_02: I'm Lamar Alexander, I'm Alan Keyes, I'm Pat Buchanan.
10:39
SPEAKER_02: You know, let's tell the truth.
10:40
SPEAKER_02: Republicans, give them a clean bill.
10:43
SPEAKER_02: Let the government run and let's fight it out on the issues.
10:46
SPEAKER_02: We won in 94, let's win it again now on the issues.
10:49
SPEAKER_02: Why are we ducking?
10:51
SPEAKER_02: Let's show them our whole budget.
10:52
SPEAKER_02: The man who says that could steal this thing tonight.
10:56
SPEAKER_16: But what we're hearing from the White House tonight, Governor, is that they feel some pressure to cut a deal at this point.
11:02
SPEAKER_16: That they feel the tie to public opinion could be turning against this democratic president.
11:07
SPEAKER_02: What the Republicans have done is what legislatures often do.
11:11
SPEAKER_02: They are betting that their threat to the country's stability, and that's what they're doing, they're threatening the country's stability economically.
11:19
SPEAKER_02: They could ruin it by keeping this government non-functioning.
11:23
SPEAKER_02: And they're betting that as a responsible president, he will have to fight his lips and do something he doesn't want to do.
11:30
SPEAKER_02: They are being cynical about it.
11:32
SPEAKER_02: They're saying we'll use our irresponsibility as a weapon to get what we want politically.
11:37
SPEAKER_02: And it won't count anyway.
11:40
SPEAKER_02: If the man says you have a balanced budget, it doesn't mean a thing.
11:43
SPEAKER_02: It has no legal effect.
11:45
SPEAKER_16: So you're saying that Republicans who are here in Florida who are not part of what you're describing as the mess in Washington are going to come out looking better tonight.
11:52
SPEAKER_16: You should make that point.
11:53
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely so.
11:54
SPEAKER_02: Especially Lamar Alexander at Buchanan.
11:57
SPEAKER_02: For Buchanan, it's a naturalist.
11:59
SPEAKER_16: All right.
11:59
SPEAKER_16: Well, Governor Mary O Cuomo, we'd love to hear what you think about all this later on.
12:03
SPEAKER_16: We'll come talk to you another time.
12:05
SPEAKER_16: Thanks for joining us.
12:06
SPEAKER_16: Thank you.
12:07
SPEAKER_16: Thank you.
12:08
SPEAKER_16: That's it for Inside Politics.
12:09
SPEAKER_16: Stay tuned now, of course, for the Republican presidential debate coming up in just a couple of minutes on Larry King Live.
12:16
SPEAKER_16: I'm Judy Woodruff.
12:18
SPEAKER_16: Thanks for watching.
12:44
SPEAKER_01: Sunday, from the showdown and we go to the blast in America's heartland.
12:48
SPEAKER_01: How he could the government raged out of control for the next CNN presents Sunday.
12:55
SPEAKER_17: Since 1982, Bob Dole has voted for 16 tax increases, raising income taxes, taxes on phones, gas, even social security.
13:07
SPEAKER_17: A total of$962 billion in tax increases.
13:12
SPEAKER_10: I'm Steve Forbes.
13:13
SPEAKER_10: I disagree with Bob Dole.
13:16
SPEAKER_10: We need a flat tax that's a tax cut.
13:18
SPEAKER_10: It's simple, it's honest, and that's a big change for Washington.
13:23
SPEAKER_10: Steve Forbes for president.
13:27
SPEAKER_00: This is CNN.
13:35
SPEAKER_06: Live from the nation's capital, where the budget battle rages on.
13:39
SPEAKER_06: And from Orlando, Florida, the site of the straw poll that's predicted the Republican presidential nominee.
13:47
SPEAKER_06: Welcome to a special edition of Larry King Live, with the Republican candidates facing on.
13:53
SPEAKER_06: Now, live from Orlando, here's Larry King.
13:58
SPEAKER_06: Thank you, and good evening, and welcome.
14:04
SPEAKER_11: To Presidency Three.
14:06
SPEAKER_11: Under the auspices of the Florida Republican Party and Jeb Bush, we welcome you on this historic night, the eve of a big straw vote tomorrow.
14:14
SPEAKER_11: All 3,500 delegates or so who are voting are in the audience.
14:18
SPEAKER_11: We have some news for you as we come on the air.
14:21
SPEAKER_11: The Senate is voting right now on the balanced budget amendment, calling for a balanced budget in seven years.
14:27
SPEAKER_11: When that vote is completed, the senators scheduled to appear on this program tonight from Washington.
14:32
SPEAKER_11: They are Dole and Graham and Alexander and Luger and Congressman Dornan will all head to our Washington studios and all will participate in this debate.
14:43
SPEAKER_11: Meanwhile, here at the site of uh the goings-on in Orlando, we have three of the candidates.
14:49
SPEAKER_11: We'll be meeting them in a moment.
14:50
SPEAKER_11: Also, negotiations are going on at the Capitol between Leon Panetta of the White House and the White House Republican and the Congressional Republican leadership.
15:01
SPEAKER_11: As soon as we have an announcement from there, we will bring it to you.
15:05
SPEAKER_11: If a major movie opens, we may also cover that.
15:08
SPEAKER_11: We're here for lots of things.
15:10
SPEAKER_11: This, uh, the rules of this debate, and let me give them to you quickly, and they were done uh beforehand with each of the candidates' approval.
15:18
SPEAKER_11: Each candidate drew for seating order.
15:20
SPEAKER_11: This was when we were going to have all nine here.
15:22
SPEAKER_11: As you can see, we just was just we grabbed seats tonight.
15:25
SPEAKER_11: Each candidate is drawn for speaking order, and the same question will be asked of each candidate.
15:30
SPEAKER_11: They'll get a minute and a half to answer it.
15:32
SPEAKER_11: Then we'll have a free-for-all between all the candidates.
15:35
SPEAKER_11: I'll ask questions.
15:35
SPEAKER_11: They can ask questions of each other.
15:37
SPEAKER_11: It'll be like an old hoedown.
15:39
SPEAKER_11: And then in the last half hour of the program, each candidate by chosen order will have two minutes to sum up their campaign.
15:47
SPEAKER_11: The vote is tomorrow, and then tomorrow night we'll be back in Washington, hopefully, with the winner.
15:52
SPEAKER_11: Let's meet the three people who are here.
15:54
SPEAKER_11: They are the former governor of Tennessee, the former Secretary of Education, Lamar Alexander.
16:09
SPEAKER_11: The uh former co-host of Crossfire, the syndicated columnist, and the former candidate for president, Matthew Cannon.
16:28
SPEAKER_11: Anthony Ruff, and um the former ambassador to the United Nations for Economic and Social Council, also former Assistant Secretary of State for International Organizations, syndicated columnist, and talk show host as well, Alan Keyes.
16:51
SPEAKER_11: We'll have the same question for all three.
16:53
SPEAKER_11: They'll have a minute and a half to answer.
16:55
SPEAKER_11: We'll make a little allowance in view of the fact that we're waiting on our senators.
16:58
SPEAKER_11: And Lamar Alexander will answer it first.
17:00
SPEAKER_11: Same question for Pat and for Mr.
17:03
SPEAKER_11: Keyes.
17:04
SPEAKER_11: Um, Colton Powell made a great deal of noise, pulled out of the race last week, decided not to run.
17:09
SPEAKER_11: The attention focused elsewhere, but he remains a major story.
17:14
SPEAKER_11: If elected, would you appoint him to your cabinet?
17:17
SPEAKER_11: If so, in what post?
17:19
SPEAKER_11: Before elected, might you even consider him as a vice presidential candidate?
17:23
SPEAKER_11: Your thoughts in that area, Governor Alexander?
17:26
SPEAKER_05: Well, Larry, the answer is I might, and I might.
17:28
SPEAKER_05: I haven't made those, I haven't made those decisions yet.
17:30
SPEAKER_05: I was glad Colon joined our party.
17:32
SPEAKER_05: He strengthens it and broadens it, he clears the air.
17:35
SPEAKER_05: Now we know who's running.
17:37
SPEAKER_05: Uh, he also reminded us that uh Senator Dole's candidacy isn't inevitable because as soon as Colon got in, a lot of Republicans shifted that way.
17:45
SPEAKER_05: I think his capacity for service is unlimited.
17:48
SPEAKER_05: He'd make an excellent member of the cabinet, he'd make an excellent vice president.
17:52
SPEAKER_05: My criteria for picking a vice president would be this.
17:55
SPEAKER_05: I'd like to pick somebody, one, that I liked.
17:58
SPEAKER_05: You have to spend so much time with them.
18:00
SPEAKER_05: Uh, two, uh, someone who'd make a good president because so many have had to be.
18:04
SPEAKER_05: And three, someone whose views were a lot like mine.
18:08
SPEAKER_05: Not identical, but a lot like mine.
18:10
SPEAKER_05: I think this business of balancing, picking somebody whose views are so different from yours, uh, is a trick on the voters.
18:18
SPEAKER_05: And I think it's important to pick someone whose views are a lot like mine.
18:22
SPEAKER_05: Does that mean Colon's on the list or not?
18:25
SPEAKER_05: Sure.
18:26
SPEAKER_05: Short list?
18:27
SPEAKER_05: I haven't got a short list.
18:29
SPEAKER_05: Right now, my short list is the senators who are in Washington, who ought to be here, who are who are running for president and trying to remind them that what we're needing to do in this country is not elect a president of Washington or president of the Senate, but a chief executive of the whole United States of America.
18:46
SPEAKER_05: And I hope we talk about that someday.
18:47
SPEAKER_05: We will.
18:48
SPEAKER_11: We're gonna get to lots of things.
18:49
SPEAKER_11: Pat Buchanan calling Powell.
18:50
SPEAKER_11: Where does he rank with you?
18:52
SPEAKER_21: Well, Larry, I'm doing very well in the poll, but not well enough to be picking vice presidents right now.
18:56
SPEAKER_11: But I think about it, Pat.
18:58
SPEAKER_21: We're gonna think about it, but let me tell you what the vice president's gonna have to believe in.
19:02
SPEAKER_21: He's got to believe in what Pat Buchanan believes in.
19:04
SPEAKER_21: He's gotta back up why I'm running for president of the United States, Larry.
19:08
SPEAKER_21: Alone among the presidential candidates, I will pick a pro-life running mate, and I will have a pro-life agenda in the White House and keep our party pro-life.
19:18
SPEAKER_21: Alone among the candidates.
19:21
SPEAKER_11: You wouldn't ask him to be biceped.
19:22
SPEAKER_21: Does he agree with this?
19:23
SPEAKER_21: Alone among them, Larry, I'll tell you what I would do.
19:25
SPEAKER_21: We're gonna put an end to these NAPTA and GAD agreements that have been selling out American workers.
19:30
SPEAKER_11: We're gonna restore America's national sovereignty.
19:32
SPEAKER_11: The question, though, is would you offer Colin Powell a cabinet post?
19:36
SPEAKER_21: Does Colin Powell agree with Pat Buchanan's agenda of restoring America's sovereignty, right to life, no more unfair trade deals?
19:44
SPEAKER_21: I'm not sure he does, Larry.
19:46
SPEAKER_21: I would have to sit down with Colin Powell and make sure that he agrees.
19:49
SPEAKER_21: Because we're gonna pick a ticket, Larry, and a cabinet of people who agree with me, who are young and fighters who are gonna impose a conservative agenda and fight for that agenda and impose it on the country what we've offered to give America.
20:02
SPEAKER_11: We're gonna your Secretary of State must be right to life.
20:05
SPEAKER_21: My Secretary of State must be America first.
20:09
SPEAKER_11: But right to life as well?
20:10
SPEAKER_11: Well, you know, I want the whole cabinet has to be right to life.
20:14
SPEAKER_21: Look, I think very just ask.
20:17
SPEAKER_21: All right, if there is if you don't respect the right to life, if folks don't have a right to life, what other rights do they have?
20:24
SPEAKER_21: It is among it is the most important social, cultural, moral issue in this country today, and we're right to life all the way.
20:32
SPEAKER_13: Alan Keyes, Colin Powell.
20:34
SPEAKER_13: Well, the answer to the question of the vice presidency is simply no.
20:37
SPEAKER_13: I mean, Colin Powell came forward with views that were pro-affirmative action quotas, pro-gun control, and finally, he made it very clear that he was a pro-choice, pro-abortion person.
20:48
SPEAKER_13: I think he decided to get out of the race, especially on the Republican side, because he realized that the Republican Party is a committed, pro-life party that is committed also to regaining power from the government.
21:00
SPEAKER_13: And Colin Powell was clear.
21:02
SPEAKER_13: Why on earth would we have worked all these decades to get to the point where we can have a conservative revolution in America, where we can put a really conservative president in the White House to help us complete that revolution, and then hand a nomination to an invented liberal Democrat that the media was trying to disguise as a Republican?
21:20
SPEAKER_13: We were coming through.
21:26
SPEAKER_11: Would you uh, with his obvious talents, would you offer him a cabinet post?
21:34
SPEAKER_13: Well, you know, I I think I'd want to look for my cabinet people among folks who have been clearly committed to the Republican cause for a lot longer than Colin Powell has.
21:42
SPEAKER_13: He's a talented man.
21:43
SPEAKER_13: He's a talented man.
21:45
SPEAKER_13: I think he's got views that that uh maybe require a little educating amongst the Republican ranks before he'd be seasoned enough, in my opinion, to join the top levels of an administration.
21:54
SPEAKER_13: I want an administration committed to Republican principles across the board, and that's what I would choose.
22:01
SPEAKER_11: Uh what we're gonna do, um uh Congressman Congressman Dornan is now at our studios in Washington.
22:09
SPEAKER_11: Steve Forbes will be at the studios as well.
22:11
SPEAKER_11: And the senators are coming over.
22:13
SPEAKER_11: We'll keep you posted as to what happens.
22:15
SPEAKER_11: We'll be back on the eve of the Florida Strought Poll.
22:18
SPEAKER_11: This is Larry King Live, two hour edition from Orlando.
22:22
SPEAKER_11: Don't go away.
23:00
SPEAKER_11: Welcome back to this special edition of Larry King Live.
23:03
SPEAKER_11: The Senate is about to vote on that budget bill.
23:06
SPEAKER_11: That's what we're told, and they'll get over as quick as they can.
23:08
SPEAKER_11: But we are joined by two other participants in this debate, who the people in Florida, 3,500 delegates, will be voting on tomorrow in a straw vote.
23:16
SPEAKER_11: And they are Congressman Bob Doran, Republican candidate for president, Congressman from Southern California, and Steve Forbes, president and CEO of Forbes Inc., editor in chief of Forbes magazine.
23:29
SPEAKER_11: We'll start with uh Congressman Dornan, who was to be the first in the go-round.
23:33
SPEAKER_11: Were they all here?
23:34
SPEAKER_11: Same question for you as the others, Bob, which is abominated.
23:39
SPEAKER_11: Would you ask Colin Powell to be a running mate?
23:41
SPEAKER_11: If not that, would you ask him to serve in the cabinet?
23:44
SPEAKER_07: My motto, and I think I'll take it through life, Larry, is have no fear.
23:49
SPEAKER_07: And I think that's been one of the guiding mottos in uh Colin Powell's life.
23:53
SPEAKER_07: We all mispronounce his name.
23:55
SPEAKER_07: I'm saying it the way his parents, his children, and his wife say it.
23:58
SPEAKER_07: Colin.
23:59
SPEAKER_07: That's the way it's pronounced around the world.
24:01
SPEAKER_07: The other's your upper GI track.
24:03
SPEAKER_07: Colin Powell, I've already said on national television, would be an excellent choice for Secretary of State.
24:10
SPEAKER_07: I would keep him away from anything that had to do with domestic issues until he answered a mere second follow-up question on everything he's been asked.
24:20
SPEAKER_07: I submitted 44 questions into the congressional record, 22 by George Will, and 22 by me, and I'm still waiting for answers.
24:28
SPEAKER_07: But as the Secretary of State, given his character and his diplomatic skills and what that and what that would mean in Europe, Asia, Africa, all over the world, he would be a perfect Secretary of State.
24:39
SPEAKER_07: But nothing to do with domestic policy.
24:41
SPEAKER_11: I hate to break your heart, Congressman.
24:43
SPEAKER_11: When I first met him, the first time he said hi, I'm Colin Powell.
24:48
SPEAKER_11: Well, no, I cleared that up with him.
24:49
SPEAKER_11: He told me what he said.
24:51
SPEAKER_07: He says in his personal life, his friends call him Colin, but in the military they couldn't pronounce the name, and everybody's got it wrong.
24:58
SPEAKER_07: So I figure I'm gonna go with the right way.
25:00
SPEAKER_07: I have a grandson, Colin.
25:02
SPEAKER_07: Thank you, Robert.
25:04
SPEAKER_11: Steve Ford, same question.
25:06
SPEAKER_11: You get the nomination.
25:07
SPEAKER_11: Would you talk to Colin Powell about the vice presidency?
25:09
SPEAKER_11: Given not given that, would you talk to him about a cabinet post?
25:13
SPEAKER_10: Well, he said that he did not want to be considered for the vice presidency, and so I think that we should uh seriously consider him for a cabinet post, such as Secretary of State or Secretary of Defense.
25:23
SPEAKER_10: When he was considering running for elective office, everyone talked about the Eisenhower model.
25:29
SPEAKER_10: A more appropriate one would be the George Marshall model.
25:32
SPEAKER_10: George Marshall was our architect of victory in World War II, but after World War II, he was also the architect of our Cold War diplomacy, the Marshall Plan, and also our Cold War military structures, he created the Defense Department.
25:46
SPEAKER_10: So perhaps Colin Powell can play a similar role in the post-Cold War world that General Marshall played at the beginning of the Cold War.
25:53
SPEAKER_10: Either as Secretary of Defense or Secretary of State putting in new structures, which would be far more coherent than what we have today from the White House, where the policy changes and there's no coherence, and we're gonna face a disaster, especially if we put troops in Bosnia.
26:08
SPEAKER_10: Thanks, Steve.
26:09
SPEAKER_11: Okay, we're gonna awaiting the arrival of our senators, allowing for the difficulty of the situation.
26:15
SPEAKER_11: We're gonna move into a free form situation.
26:17
SPEAKER_11: When the senators arrive, they will be asked the same question as was asked here, and then they'll join in the freeform.
26:22
SPEAKER_11: And in the freeform, the way it works, fellas, is really there's no hard rules.
26:26
SPEAKER_11: I'll start, let's say, with Governor Alexander.
26:28
SPEAKER_11: Mr.
26:28
SPEAKER_11: Keyes wants to respond.
26:29
SPEAKER_11: Bob, Steve, Pat, we can jump right in.
26:32
SPEAKER_11: This tomorrow is how important, Lamar.
26:35
SPEAKER_11: This well, I think it's very important.
26:37
SPEAKER_05: It's the beginning of the presidential race.
26:39
SPEAKER_05: It's around the fully tomorrow.
26:40
SPEAKER_05: This would be a time to say, I'll try to come up with some original explanation for it.
26:45
SPEAKER_05: But uh but this is the first step.
26:49
SPEAKER_05: The country turns its attention tomorrow to the electing the first president of the next century.
26:55
SPEAKER_05: And this is the first convention.
26:57
SPEAKER_05: Iowa's the first caucus, New Hampshire's the first primary.
27:00
SPEAKER_05: So anyone who wants to run for president had better get out of the box here.
27:04
SPEAKER_05: This is a biggie, Florida.
27:05
SPEAKER_05: I think it's a biggie.
27:06
SPEAKER_05: This is a big state.
27:07
SPEAKER_05: It's got a little bit of all of America in it.
27:09
SPEAKER_05: The the delegates were chosen in September.
27:12
SPEAKER_05: Uh, instead of just watching people on television, they've had a chance to get to know us personally.
27:17
SPEAKER_05: And so it gives someone like me from outside Washington a chance to actually get to know people, and they can can compare me to these to these senators who all seem to be running for the president of Washington instead of being chief executive of the whole country.
27:31
SPEAKER_11: Should they vote for the man who can win or the man who best reflects their philosophy?
27:37
SPEAKER_11: How should they vote?
27:38
SPEAKER_21: They should not vote for the fellow who gave them Godiva chocolates and the fellow who's paying for the hotel room and the fellows who got investigated.
27:46
SPEAKER_21: I would ask.
27:48
SPEAKER_21: I would ask the vote.
27:50
SPEAKER_21: Somebody likes Godiva Chocolate.
27:52
SPEAKER_21: Someone likes Godiva chocolate.
27:54
SPEAKER_21: All right.
27:55
SPEAKER_21: So I would ask them this.
27:56
SPEAKER_21: Look, we have not been down there as often as Lamar, who's on a fine campaign or Phil Graham or Bob Dole.
28:01
SPEAKER_21: But tonight and tomorrow, when you get up and vote, vote for the man that you believe can best lead America in a conservative direction.
28:10
SPEAKER_21: Someone who is not part of the system up there, someone who's not part of the pack game, handing envelopes of cash back and forth, someone who has an idea of a new American foreign policy that ends foreign aid, puts America first, and keeps our boys out of boxes.
28:29
SPEAKER_21: I think you'll I think no, I think go to the book there tomorrow.
28:32
SPEAKER_21: Listen to tonight, listen to tomorrow's speeches, vote for the individual who best represents your views, send that message to America.
28:43
SPEAKER_11: Before Alan Keys responds, we're going to give you a picture of the final vote at the Senate on the proposed uh balanced budget amendment in seven years.
28:51
SPEAKER_11: Let's watch quickly.
28:53
SPEAKER_12: Mr.
28:53
SPEAKER_12: Bryan.
28:55
SPEAKER_12: Mr.
28:55
SPEAKER_12: Bumper.
29:01
SPEAKER_11: Mr.
29:02
SPEAKER_11: Byrne.
29:05
SPEAKER_11: Mr.
29:05
SPEAKER_14: Byrne.
29:06
SPEAKER_11: And we I don't know why they told me we were at the end of the vote because I'm pretty good with the alphabet, and that sounded like bumpers.
29:13
SPEAKER_11: Uh Alan Keys, how should they vote tomorrow?
29:16
SPEAKER_13: You know, I think they should vote the way all Americans ought to vote in this election.
29:19
SPEAKER_13: Uh, unhappily, the media tends to want us to look at this like it was some kind of horse race.
29:23
SPEAKER_13: You pick the winner, bet on him.
29:25
SPEAKER_13: You know, especially if the winner hasn't been copying you with chocolates and giving you your rooms, maybe you'll look in that direction.
29:29
SPEAKER_13: Let me finish.
29:33
SPEAKER_13: I think the problem with that, of course, is that somewhere in the midst of all of this, we should stop talking about whether you vote for this winner or that winner and start talking about whether you're voting for what's good for this country.
29:43
SPEAKER_13: And I think right now we know that this country is beset by ills, and we know in our heart what those ills come from.
29:48
SPEAKER_13: They come from the breakdown of the social system, the breakdown of the family unit, the breakdown of the building block of this society, and we had better put that at the top of our agenda.
29:57
SPEAKER_13: And if you vote for somebody who puts it second, third, or last, then this country will lose, no matter who wins.
30:03
SPEAKER_13: And I think it's time we started to look at this election in those real terms.
30:09
SPEAKER_11: Bob Dornan, um Bob, how should a delegate vote to Mars?
30:15
SPEAKER_11: Should he vote for Bob Dornham because Doran can win, or should he vote for Bob Dorning because he agrees with him?
30:20
SPEAKER_07: Well, I sent to uh every single delegate down there a single sheet of legal paper that was titled the Dornen Difference.
30:28
SPEAKER_07: And it showed the difference between those of us who have been in Teddy Roosevelt's arena, covered with the sweat and the dust, actually writing the laws of our nation.
30:38
SPEAKER_07: And when you see the Doran Difference, and every one of you delegates has it, look at those votes.
30:44
SPEAKER_07: And then I say, vote with your brain and your heart.
30:47
SPEAKER_07: Vote for the brave heart that always best represents what you stand for if you were the president and let the chips fall where they may.
30:57
SPEAKER_07: Larry, I want to get a little tough tonight because I'm back in the pack.
31:00
SPEAKER_07: Many of our candidates, God loving, all of them way above Clinton in character and integrity.
31:06
SPEAKER_07: They are charismatically challenged.
31:09
SPEAKER_07: They couldn't debate their way out of a wet paper bag.
31:13
SPEAKER_07: They don't have a prayer of going up against this charmer who has a life of corruption in personal, financial, and his avoidance of the draft three times.
31:23
SPEAKER_07: The last time avoiding his induction date of July 28th, 1969.
31:29
SPEAKER_07: We need a fighter in this race.
31:34
SPEAKER_11: How should they vote tomorrow, Steve Forbes?
31:36
SPEAKER_11: Should they vote uh clinically?
31:39
SPEAKER_11: Should they vote uh geographically?
31:40
SPEAKER_11: Should they vote because they agree with you, or that should they vote because they think you should win?
31:44
SPEAKER_10: Well, obviously, they should vote for the candidates they think best for America at this point in our history.
31:50
SPEAKER_10: Obviously, too, I'm uh I have to admit right up front that I'm not gonna be very competitive tomorrow.
31:55
SPEAKER_10: Unfortunately, I entered this race very late, but I will be there tomorrow to give my message to the voters, to the delegates, as I am doing it around the country.
32:05
SPEAKER_10: And I think this is the beginning.
32:06
SPEAKER_10: We had a forum, as you know, last month in New Hampshire.
32:09
SPEAKER_10: We're gonna have other forums in the future, and then we'll have the caucus, and then we'll have the first primary in New Hampshire, and then the race really is on.
32:16
SPEAKER_10: So this is just one event of many, but I'm looking forward to look forward to being in Florida tomorrow to give my message of growth, hope, and opportunity to the delegates.
32:25
SPEAKER_10: And I think it'll I think they'll find it receptive.
32:28
SPEAKER_10: And I hope even if they don't vote for me tomorrow, that I'll persuade them to support me by the time the Florida primary comes early next year.
32:35
SPEAKER_10: We'll find out in a minute if the others feel charismatically challenged right after this.
32:40
SPEAKER_11: Don't go away.
33:11
SPEAKER_11: Phil Graham has arrived from the United States Senate where he has just uh voted.
33:15
SPEAKER_11: That vote is still going on.
33:17
SPEAKER_11: That's right.
33:18
SPEAKER_11: I imagine you voted yes, correct, Senator?
33:20
SPEAKER_03: I did.
33:21
SPEAKER_03: Doing the Lord's work in the devil city, which is my constant preoccupation here.
33:28
SPEAKER_11: Uh we're gonna ask you the uh same question asked of our other panelists, and they'll be asked of the other senators when they arrive.
33:35
SPEAKER_11: Colin Powell made a lot of noise in this race.
33:37
SPEAKER_11: If uh you win the nomination, would you consider him for vice president?
33:42
SPEAKER_11: Given uh against that, would you consider him for a cabinet post?
33:46
SPEAKER_03: Well, Larry, he has said that he's not a candidate for vice president.
33:49
SPEAKER_03: I would consider him for Secretary of State.
33:52
SPEAKER_03: I would consider him for Secretary of Defense.
33:54
SPEAKER_03: I think he fits in my vision.
33:57
SPEAKER_03: As a young member of Congress, I was an author of the Reagan program in the House of Representatives.
34:02
SPEAKER_03: I was a foot soldier in the Reagan Revolution, and as president, I want to finish that revolution.
34:08
SPEAKER_03: I want less government and more freedom.
34:10
SPEAKER_03: I think Washington has too much to say about how your income is spent, about how your children are educated, about how your business is run.
34:19
SPEAKER_03: And I want to take that power away from Washington and give it back to your family.
34:24
SPEAKER_03: And I think as part of my administration, as Secretary of State and as Secretary of Defense, that cohen power would fit perfectly, and I would certainly look at him for those positions.
34:34
SPEAKER_11: No vice president has ever said he wanted a B vice president.
34:37
SPEAKER_11: By the way, we just want to understand it has passed the balance budget amendment.
34:42
SPEAKER_11: 61 to 44.
34:47
SPEAKER_11: The vote was the vote was 61 to 44.
34:52
SPEAKER_11: That's the balance budget act, and uh it was 614.
34:56
SPEAKER_11: 5144.
34:57
SPEAKER_11: That's right, 6144.
34:59
SPEAKER_11: I got extra guys in the Senate.
35:00
SPEAKER_03: I didn't think, Larry, that we'd gotten any Democratic help on this.
35:03
SPEAKER_03: I know.
35:04
SPEAKER_03: They want somebody balanced the budget, but they don't want to do it.
35:08
SPEAKER_11: The uh president, of course, has said he would be to it.
35:11
SPEAKER_11: The other senators will be coming over, but there's still meetings going on now between uh uh the people at the White House and the people at the congressional leadership, so we may have news for you.
35:20
SPEAKER_11: So uh hang with us.
35:22
SPEAKER_11: We're gonna take a short break, and when we come back, we'll have everybody in our free for all.
35:26
SPEAKER_11: Our other candidates will be scurrying over, and we'll get right with it.
35:29
SPEAKER_11: This is Larry King live in Orlando and Washington and around the world.
35:34
SPEAKER_11: Don't go away! Where the Senate tonight has passed the uh balanced budget uh concept by a vote of 51 to 44.
36:15
SPEAKER_11: Let's reintroduce our panelists.
36:17
SPEAKER_11: They are Governor Lamar Alexander, former governor of Tennessee, Pat Buchanan, former co-host of Crossfire, the former UN Ambassador Alan Keyes, Congressman Bob Dornan of California, the uh publisher of Forbes, Steve Forbes.
36:37
SPEAKER_11: We are now joined by Senators Arlene Specter of Pennsylvania and Richard Luger of Indiana.
36:46
SPEAKER_11: And uh Senator Dole, the majority leader, is on his way.
36:49
SPEAKER_11: So we'll bring uh Senators Spector and Luger right into things by asking them the same question we've asked the others.
36:55
SPEAKER_11: We're sorry we've been so out of kilter with this, but we've tried to stay by our rules.
36:59
SPEAKER_11: Arlen Specter, uh, Colin Powell, would you ask him to serve as your vice president if you got the nomination?
37:05
SPEAKER_11: Uh yes.
37:06
SPEAKER_11: Given that, would you ask him to be in your cabinet?
37:09
SPEAKER_20: I would uh ask him to be vice president.
37:12
SPEAKER_20: I think I could persuade him to do that.
37:14
SPEAKER_20: I know he said he isn't interested.
37:16
SPEAKER_20: I had a long talk with uh General Powell a few days ago.
37:20
SPEAKER_20: Uh his political views and mine are very close.
37:23
SPEAKER_20: I'm a fiscal economic conservative and a social libertarian.
37:28
SPEAKER_20: At the moment, I'm the only pro-choice candidate in the field.
37:31
SPEAKER_20: Uh, I think that Colin Powell would fit in very well with my ideas on a flat tax, with my ideas on law enforcement.
37:39
SPEAKER_20: Uh, he's a strong law and order man.
37:42
SPEAKER_20: I am the only candidate running with hands-on experience as a former uh district attorney.
37:47
SPEAKER_20: I think uh Coltman Powell and Arlen Spetker will make a good team in reverse order.
37:52
SPEAKER_11: I forgot to mention also, of course, that Senator Phil Graham is with us.
37:55
SPEAKER_11: We have a lot of candidates here tonight.
37:58
SPEAKER_11: And I didn't mention him.
38:00
SPEAKER_11: And Senator Richard Luger of Indiana, your thoughts on on Colin Powell's place in the party, the vice presidency, and a cabinet post in your administration.
38:09
SPEAKER_09: Well, Larry, I would need to know where Colin Powell stands on a lot of things.
38:14
SPEAKER_09: I think anyone who wants to be president wants to make sure the vice president that he selects shares that point of view of the president.
38:28
SPEAKER_09: And I frankly do not know in most cases what the views of Colin Powell are.
38:34
SPEAKER_09: He has arisen in this entire campaign to fill what seemed to be a void of people who were looking for a candidate who appeared to have strong views on national offense, who was certainly a decent human being, humane and thoughtful, apparently moderate in his point of view, someone in the center of the road politically, where a lot of Americans are.
38:57
SPEAKER_09: I understand that, and I understand that that is where a lot of Americans will be when it comes to the general election, and perhaps in some of the Republican primaries.
39:06
SPEAKER_09: But at this point, uh, I'm not going to make a commitment to select anybody for vice president or for the cabinet.
39:13
SPEAKER_09: I I think those are very personal decisions that come down to personal chemistry and compatibility much later along the road.
39:21
SPEAKER_11: Under the general heading, guys, we'll start with Governor Alexander, and then anyone can jump in.
39:25
SPEAKER_11: Are you against Washington?
39:27
SPEAKER_11: Do you dislike I know you mentioned them in the opening remarks?
39:30
SPEAKER_11: You dislike the nation's capital, you dislike people who work there and serve there.
39:33
SPEAKER_11: I get fed up with it sometimes.
39:35
SPEAKER_05: I think too many people in Washington sit there and think they're uh that we're too stupid to make decisions for ourselves.
39:42
SPEAKER_05: But but let's let's put a little spice in but let's put a little spice in.
39:45
SPEAKER_05: There's a big difference between the way I feel and the way the senators feel on this.
39:49
SPEAKER_05: I mean, the all the senators running for president voted to pass a federal law that sets the weapons policy in every public school in Florida.
39:58
SPEAKER_05: Their welfare bill is 800 pages of Republican rules from Washington.
40:03
SPEAKER_05: Their crime bill tells Florida what its sentencing ought to be.
40:07
SPEAKER_05: And if we listen all night, I don't think you'll hear the Washington senators say a word about term limits or say a word about their own million-dollar congressional pensions or a word about a part-time citizen Congress, which I call cutting their pay and sending themselves home.
40:23
SPEAKER_05: So one of the biggest differences, one of the biggest differences.
40:26
SPEAKER_05: Okay, that's enough, Larry.
40:27
SPEAKER_05: He's already got me angry.
40:28
SPEAKER_05: One of the biggest differences between my candidacy, between my candidacy, and they'll each have to speak back today.
40:36
SPEAKER_11: Don't jump in Bob.
40:37
SPEAKER_11: Just wait a second.
40:41
SPEAKER_05: One of the biggest differences, one of the biggest differences is, well, the biggest differences is they've gone to Washington and they really don't believe in the Tenth Amendment.
40:51
SPEAKER_05: They're passing out Tenth Amendment t-shirts, but they never put one on.
40:54
SPEAKER_21: Are you running against them?
40:55
SPEAKER_21: Let me tell you what.
40:56
SPEAKER_21: Everybody get in.
40:57
SPEAKER_21: You two bottles are respectful.
40:59
SPEAKER_21: Larry, you're an example.
41:00
SPEAKER_21: You're an example here in this question you're asking everyone.
41:03
SPEAKER_21: All about Colin Powell.
41:05
SPEAKER_21: They're going to take him here, take him there.
41:06
SPEAKER_21: Look, he's a respected military officer.
41:08
SPEAKER_21: He's a military dynamic.
41:10
SPEAKER_21: He is pro-abortion, he's pro-affirmative action, he is against everything we stand for.
41:15
SPEAKER_21: He's Bill Clinton's first choice, the vice president.
41:17
SPEAKER_21: Why should we take him and nominate this distinguished officer who is liberal on the social issues?
41:22
SPEAKER_21: In a party which is going to be and remain a conservative person.
41:25
SPEAKER_02: We want him out of the party.
41:27
SPEAKER_21: We want him to stay in the party, but look, he comes into the church, we don't make him pope the first time he walks into church.
41:32
SPEAKER_13: I'd also I'd also have to criticize a little bit.
41:36
SPEAKER_13: I I think there's a there's a problem in the way this issue is formulated all the time.
41:41
SPEAKER_13: It even runs to conservatives.
41:42
SPEAKER_13: Do we want more government?
41:43
SPEAKER_13: Do we want less government?
41:44
SPEAKER_13: Why are we always focusing on government?
41:46
SPEAKER_13: I think that I start from the premise that what we need in this country are strong families, strong businesses, strong communities under the control and influence of their own people.
41:55
SPEAKER_13: That's what America is supposed to be about.
41:58
SPEAKER_13: And then I reach the conclusion, from that I reached the conclusion, that an expanding government that digs deeper and deeper into our pockets in order to pay for programs that actually destroy families, discourage initiative, and take power away from the people has to be stopped, has to be cut back, has to be cut down.
42:14
SPEAKER_13: It's not because I'm against the government, it's because I'm for the family.
42:18
SPEAKER_13: I am for self-government, and that's why I take the positions I do.
42:21
SPEAKER_13: Larry, get in there, Bill.
42:24
SPEAKER_03: Larry, let me say this that I think Alan Keyes is right, but we're gonna have to change policy to make it work.
42:30
SPEAKER_03: We need to put the federal government on a budget so families can keep more of what they earn.
42:35
SPEAKER_03: I think it's outrageous that a baby born this year uh will pay$187,000 of taxes just to pay interest on the public debt.
42:45
SPEAKER_03: That's not just economic suicide.
42:48
SPEAKER_03: That's immoral, and so help me God, I'm going to stop that from happening.
42:52
SPEAKER_03: We have got to let families keep more of what they earn.
42:55
SPEAKER_03: Are you part of the establishment?
42:57
SPEAKER_03: And let me say this to Lamar Alexander.
42:59
SPEAKER_03: I want to reform welfare.
43:01
SPEAKER_03: I want to make people riding in the wagon get out of the wagon and help the rest of us pull.
43:05
SPEAKER_03: I want to stop inviting people to America with their handout to go on welfare.
43:10
SPEAKER_03: And I want to stop giving people more and more money to have more and more children on welfare.
43:15
SPEAKER_03: And I don't understand why Lamar won't join me in supporting those things.
43:20
SPEAKER_03: And I don't put guns in the schools, Lamar.
43:22
SPEAKER_03: And I'm willing to have the federal government help the states to keep guns and drugs out of our schools.
43:28
SPEAKER_11: Well, we're gonna break and we'll come right back with Lamar's next month.
43:31
SPEAKER_11: And Mr.
43:31
SPEAKER_11: Dornan and the others don't go away.
44:09
SPEAKER_11: Let's reintroduce everybody because our full panel has a symbol.
44:13
SPEAKER_11: They are Senator Arlen Spector from Pennsylvania, currently serving his third term.
44:18
SPEAKER_11: Three term Senator Dick Luger from the state of Indiana.
44:22
SPEAKER_11: Also from the Senate ranks, Phil Graham.
44:25
SPEAKER_11: Of Texas, who served in Congress since 1979.
44:29
SPEAKER_11: Congressman Bob Dornan from California, first elected in 1976.
44:34
SPEAKER_11: Steve Forbes, publisher of a major American business magazine.
44:40
SPEAKER_11: Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole from the state of Kansas.
44:54
SPEAKER_11: And um okay, all right, all right.
44:58
SPEAKER_11: Thank you, Lydia, for that wonderful round of applause.
45:01
SPEAKER_11: Lydia is here, Bob Cleveland.
45:03
SPEAKER_11: And here at Orlando, Alan Keyes, former UN Economic Council Ambassador, and host of the talk radio program out of Maryland.
45:10
SPEAKER_11: The noted commentator Pat Buchanan, who ran for president the last time around.
45:16
SPEAKER_11: And the former Tennessee Governor and Education Secretary, Lamar Alexander.
45:26
SPEAKER_11: Senator Dole, before we ask you the same question we've asked everyone else, uh, we have just learned that Congressman Kasich has announced that he has rejected the White House proposal for a compromise on the uh on the budget.
45:41
SPEAKER_11: Do you do you have a con comment, Senator Dole?
45:44
SPEAKER_19: Well, I agree with Congressman.
45:45
SPEAKER_19: We just had a meeting in my office about an hour ago with the Speaker and uh Congressman Kasich, uh, Senator Domenici, Congressman Army.
45:52
SPEAKER_19: Uh, the offer by the Democrats was not acceptable.
45:56
SPEAKER_19: Uh, they're gonna continue.
45:57
SPEAKER_19: In fact, they're doing it right now.
45:58
SPEAKER_19: I'm gonna go back after this debate to see if we can reach some common ground.
46:02
SPEAKER_19: But the bottom line is we're gonna stand firm for a balanced budget over the next seven years.
46:07
SPEAKER_19: That's the bottom line.
46:11
SPEAKER_11: Now, the uh so we get everybody uh so we get everybody caught up to space quickly.
46:16
SPEAKER_11: The same question we've asked of others.
46:18
SPEAKER_11: Would you consider Colin Powell in your cabinet?
46:21
SPEAKER_19: I certainly would.
46:21
SPEAKER_19: I think Colin Powell is one of these uh great American success stories.
46:26
SPEAKER_19: Somebody who uh rose from the bottom, has done a great job for America.
46:30
SPEAKER_19: He's an outstanding American, he's a friend of mine, and I would certainly consider him for a place in my cabinet.
46:37
SPEAKER_11: Vice president, too, if he's changed his mind.
46:40
SPEAKER_19: Well, he sort of said he would not be a candidate, but I guess that's the way maybe people uh say about the vice presidency.
46:47
SPEAKER_19: But obviously he's somebody you would look at.
46:49
SPEAKER_19: He is uh he brings a lot, he would bring a lot to the party.
46:53
SPEAKER_19: I think what I'm most proud of is that he is the Republican.
46:56
SPEAKER_19: He's declared himself a Republican.
46:58
SPEAKER_19: Uh, he can do a lot to broaden the base of our party and make it a more inclusive party.
47:02
SPEAKER_19: And in my view, that's what the Republican Party's all about.
47:05
SPEAKER_11: All right, Bob Dornan, is Bob Dole.
47:08
SPEAKER_11: Were you referring to Bob Dole when you said charismatically challenged?
47:12
SPEAKER_07: Well, put me on the spot because obviously uh getting in.
47:17
SPEAKER_07: Are you gonna march down all the nine of these men as a character and integrity?
47:23
SPEAKER_07: No, no, no.
47:24
SPEAKER_07: Let me put it this way uh a guy who's uh given his whole life to his country and doesn't have to worry about gift bands on golf, skiing, or tennis tournaments is my idea of a guy with a lot of charisma.
47:40
SPEAKER_07: No, Bob is not.
47:41
SPEAKER_07: He looks like Tyrone Power looking at him.
47:43
SPEAKER_07: He's not charismatically challenged.
47:45
SPEAKER_07: I'm not answering on anybody else now.
47:47
SPEAKER_07: Okay, I want to get everybody get a chance.
47:49
SPEAKER_11: Larry, can I make a comment?
47:50
SPEAKER_11: Larry, Larry, can I make a comment?
47:51
SPEAKER_11: Senator Spector and Senator Luger on running against Washington.
47:54
SPEAKER_20: Uh I'd like to make a comment on the status of negotiations on stopping the impasse where the government is shut down.
48:02
SPEAKER_20: Uh, what I think we ought to do is crystallize the issues for 1996.
48:07
SPEAKER_20: President Clinton has turned down a seven-year balanced budget amendment on CBO figures.
48:13
SPEAKER_20: And what I think we ought to do now is maintain the status quo to get the government running and crystallize it.
48:21
SPEAKER_20: We really ought to focus on core Republican values, on the balanced budget.
48:26
SPEAKER_20: We have been sidetracked, we have not done our job in the Congress.
48:29
SPEAKER_20: We've sent only five out of 13 appropriation bills over, four are held up on abortion.
48:36
SPEAKER_20: There's nothing in the contract with America about abortion.
48:39
SPEAKER_20: And what I think we ought to do is keep the status quo, get a continuing resolution going, get the government back on its feet, stop the gridlock, and crystallize the issue and run against President Clinton on our proposal, a balanced budget in seven years with CBO, and let's keep the government going in the interim.
48:58
SPEAKER_09: Senator Luther?
49:00
SPEAKER_11: Richard Lucas Jarn.
49:02
SPEAKER_09: Larry, let me just comment that the first uh record of being president is to be commander-in-chief.
49:07
SPEAKER_09: That clearly is uh an office that in Washington.
49:10
SPEAKER_09: You've got to try to make sure this country is secure to ordinary people go about doing their thing.
49:15
SPEAKER_09: I I think beyond that, almost any duty can be handled at any level of government.
49:20
SPEAKER_09: I've had experience, uh, as you know, as a school board member, as a mayor of a large city, as somebody involved in the military services.
49:27
SPEAKER_09: We all serve in various ways.
49:29
SPEAKER_09: And and that is important to know in our federal system.
49:32
SPEAKER_09: I would say simply running against Washington is a gimmick.
49:35
SPEAKER_09: It has really nothing to do with this campaign.
49:37
SPEAKER_09: What we're looking for is quality of ideas, quality of character and judgment.
49:42
SPEAKER_09: That may be found in Washington, maybe found elsewhere around the country.
49:46
SPEAKER_11: Okay, what do we do about what do we do about this budget impasse?
49:49
SPEAKER_11: Let's try to go in order.
49:50
SPEAKER_11: Can I go on the budget impact?
49:52
SPEAKER_11: We got a contract.
49:53
SPEAKER_11: Okay, and then Phil.
49:55
SPEAKER_21: You folks have got a contract with the American people.
49:58
SPEAKER_21: We gave our word to the American people.
50:00
SPEAKER_21: We'd balance that budget in seven years, we would cut taxes, we would do other things, and I think we got a moral and political obligation to stay the course and fight this battle out if it takes all winter.
50:14
SPEAKER_03: Well, Larry, let me say this.
50:18
SPEAKER_03: What the president is asking us to do, and I disagree with Arlin, the President is asking us to give him a new credit card.
50:25
SPEAKER_03: And what I'm saying is, we're not going to give you a new credit card unless you sign on to a budget where under honest numbers, we're going to balance the federal budget over the next seven years.
50:36
SPEAKER_03: And if the president is not willing to sign on to an honest budget, if he's not willing to commit to balance the budget, we can't go on spending as usual in Washington, D.C.
50:47
SPEAKER_03: And my message to the president is you can break this impasse by responding to what the American people said in 1994.
50:56
SPEAKER_03: Stop the taxing, stop the spending, stop the regulating, and because we have a Republican majority, they will be stopped.
51:03
SPEAKER_03: And when we get a Republican president, we're going to balance the budget by controlling spending, and we're going to let working people keep more of what they earn.
51:11
SPEAKER_03: But in the meantime, I'm not willing to recharge the president's credit card until he signs on to a balanced budget.
51:19
SPEAKER_03: And we can take as long as he wants to take.
52:03
SPEAKER_05: What about the teachers?
52:04
SPEAKER_05: Well, the responsibility when you take that responsibility to Washington, you can't get it done right, but more than that, you undercut our own sense of responsibility to do that here.
52:17
SPEAKER_05: We are supposed to be a party of local government, and you're forgetting that in Washington.
52:24
SPEAKER_05: We don't want guns in our schools.
52:26
SPEAKER_13: We don't want guns in our schools, and we don't want guns in our.
52:57
SPEAKER_13: I think, I think, let me give, let me give a piece of advice to the folks there in Markington.
53:03
SPEAKER_13: Don't revive the government through a continuing resolution.
53:06
SPEAKER_13: Do it through selective resuscitation.
53:08
SPEAKER_13: Pick the foremost important department, send bills to the president to revive those.
53:12
SPEAKER_13: Then pick the next important area, send bills to the president to revive those.
53:16
SPEAKER_13: And if you never get to education, transportation, or commerce, the rest of us will thank you.
54:18
SPEAKER_11: We are doing everything in our power to give everyone an equal amount of time.
54:21
SPEAKER_11: That is difficult.
54:22
SPEAKER_11: With, of course, six candidates in Washington and three here.
54:25
SPEAKER_11: We're also helping to improve our sound situation in the auditorium in the back of the auditorum.
54:28
SPEAKER_11: We hope that's better.
54:29
SPEAKER_11: We're gonna try to give everybody equal footing here.
54:32
SPEAKER_11: This is very difficult, so please have a little understanding for your humble host.
54:37
SPEAKER_11: We're discussing uh the budget and balancing it.
54:41
SPEAKER_11: Let's start with Senator Dole this time.
54:42
SPEAKER_11: All right, we've had various recommendations.
54:44
SPEAKER_11: What do we do now?
54:46
SPEAKER_19: We did it tonight by a vote of 52 to 47.
54:50
SPEAKER_19: Uh, we passed the balance.
54:52
SPEAKER_19: A budget's gonna be in balance over the next seven years.
54:54
SPEAKER_19: We saved$600 billion.
54:56
SPEAKER_19: We turned welfare back to states.
54:58
SPEAKER_19: Every Republican governor supported our welfare reform program, Lamar.
55:03
SPEAKER_19: Every Republican governor, because we gave power back to the states, back to the governors where they could make the decisions.
55:09
SPEAKER_19: We're also gonna preserve and strengthen Medicare and save it.
55:12
SPEAKER_19: And we're gonna have tax cuts for families but children, and we're gonna do it in seven years.
55:17
SPEAKER_19: That's uh that's been the goal.
55:18
SPEAKER_19: We got it done.
55:19
SPEAKER_19: The president's gonna veto it, right?
55:21
SPEAKER_19: President's gonna veto it, and then hopefully we'll have some serious negotiations, but we're gonna win this battle because uh the people are on our side.
55:28
SPEAKER_19: We're gonna keep our promises to the people, and I'm excited about it.
55:32
SPEAKER_19: This was a very historic vote we cast tonight.
55:35
SPEAKER_10: Steve Forbes, you're a businessman.
55:37
SPEAKER_10: What do we do?
55:40
SPEAKER_10: Larry, this whole discussion tonight is paying inadequate attention to what our whole purpose is supposed to be, and that is to renew growth, hope, and opportunity in America.
55:50
SPEAKER_10: This budget bill that they just passed today still leaves in place the principal source of pollution and corruption in Washington.
55:57
SPEAKER_10: And let's face it, the Washington political class has been an obstacle for the last 30 years, and that is the federal income tax code.
56:05
SPEAKER_10: The tax cut is inadequate, the growth rates that they assume are utterly inadequate to get America moving again.
56:11
SPEAKER_10: I think it may be a good start, but it is absolutely inadequate to get the future that we know that we must have.
56:17
SPEAKER_10: And unfortunately, unfortunately, many of the people that are running here tonight have been part of the problem, not the solution.
56:25
SPEAKER_10: The majority leader, for example, the majority leader has voted for 16 tax increases in the last 14 years, almost a trillion dollars worth of 15,000.
56:39
SPEAKER_10: And that is the problem.
56:41
SPEAKER_10: The American people know when the election isn't there, these people are back to business as usual.
56:47
SPEAKER_21: Larry, there's a lot of uh look, uh, there's a lot of truth to what the gentleman has to say.
56:53
SPEAKER_21: Look, next seven years, we're gonna spend eighty-five billion dollars in foreign aid while we're cutting on Medicare.
57:01
SPEAKER_21: We're gonna have a$50 billion bailout of a corrupt, deceitful government in Mexico that should never have been done.
57:07
SPEAKER_21: There are areas that this government can be downsized and cut that they haven't even touched.
57:12
SPEAKER_20: Larry, maybe pick up on what the Steve Forbes has said.
57:15
SPEAKER_20: Yeah.
57:15
SPEAKER_20: Larry, I've introduced the flat tax.
57:18
SPEAKER_20: Here's a tax return under an Arlen Spector presidency and an Arlene Spector flat tax.
57:25
SPEAKER_20: Well, uh, it doesn't uh address that, but it is part of the future.
57:30
SPEAKER_20: Well, I think we address the budget right now uh by coming to terms with the status quo and crystallizing the issue for 96.
57:38
SPEAKER_20: But I think Steve Forbes makes a good point.
57:41
SPEAKER_20: And I'm the only candidate running who has put uh the flat tax into the legislative list.
57:46
SPEAKER_05: What does that have to do with, Lamar?
57:47
SPEAKER_05: What does that have to do with the budget proposals?
57:49
SPEAKER_05: Well, I haven't figured one out.
57:50
SPEAKER_05: The flat tax, as some people have proposed it, would create a big, a big deficit.
57:55
SPEAKER_05: If all I'd ever done was governor of Tennessee was balance the budget, though, uh, we'd still be the third poorest state.
58:01
SPEAKER_05: I don't think we ought to give the Congress merit badges for for balancing the budget.
58:05
SPEAKER_05: That's their job.
58:06
SPEAKER_05: That's like giving a Boy Scout a merit badge for telling the truth.
58:11
SPEAKER_11: Larry.
58:11
SPEAKER_11: Bob Doran needs attorney.
58:13
SPEAKER_07: Larry, I told you on the show the night I declared that I had been for the flat tax for 27 years.
58:20
SPEAKER_07: Arlen is very articulated, so is Steve.
58:23
SPEAKER_07: But it's Dick Lugar and Bob Doran who have found the truth.
58:26
SPEAKER_07: The flat tax is an idea whose time is coming past.
58:30
SPEAKER_07: It will keep the IRS open.
58:32
SPEAKER_07: We'll have all these marginal rates like who gets excused from all taxes, where are the breakpoints.
58:38
SPEAKER_07: We need a national consumer tax.
58:40
SPEAKER_07: Dick Lugar and I are right.
58:42
SPEAKER_07: It is going to happen, and Bill Archer in the House will introduce it within the next year and a half.
58:54
SPEAKER_11: Don't go away.