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The Rolling Stones The Biography From Musician And Music Historian Bob Spitz · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 1: Net r r oe dot Net. Enjoy that exploration. Bob.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you for putting this book together
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  Speaker 1: because I never dreamed of being in a day where
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  Speaker 1: every generation calls the Rolling Stones their band, and there
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  Speaker 1: are so many people that don't know the story, and
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  Speaker 1: we need people like yourself to say, I love your interpretation,
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  Speaker 1: but let me show you the way, let me show
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  Speaker 1: you what really happened. And that's what I love about
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  Speaker 1: The Rolling Stones, the biography.
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  Speaker 2: I was really lucky to be able to do it Row,
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  Speaker 2: because you know, so many of these people don't want
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  Speaker 2: to talk to journalists, talk to the press, but they
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  Speaker 2: knew me as a musician. I was you on the
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  Speaker 2: road with Bruce Springsteen and Elton John throughout the nineteen seventies,
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  Speaker 2: and that puts musicians at ease when they know that
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  Speaker 2: they're talking to one of their kind and somebody who
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  Speaker 2: understands what they go through. So they were really comfortable
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  Speaker 2: telling me stories that they've never heard, that people have
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  Speaker 2: never heard before. And that's what allowed me to the
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  Speaker 2: cop of this book together.
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  Speaker 1: The way I've done it, well, it's so authentic because
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  Speaker 1: we live in this day of this this thing where
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  Speaker 1: we're getting all this clickbait. In fact, there was a
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  Speaker 1: picture that was taken a Mick Jagger recently in Charlotte
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  Speaker 1: about a year or so ago, of him in front
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  Speaker 1: of one of our little bars. And the thing is,
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  Speaker 1: we all thought it was photoshopped until until the Rolling
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  Speaker 1: Stones came back and said, no, that really happened. See,
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  Speaker 1: And that's what I say. I will always forever remember
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  Speaker 1: that picture, and I'll think of your book because no,
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  Speaker 1: it really happened. I mean, I mean, that's what I
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  Speaker 1: love about this book.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an incredible story, and I mean, really, it's
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  Speaker 2: sixty five years of.
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  Speaker 3: Rock music history.
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  Speaker 2: You know, these guys have endured for a long time,
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  Speaker 2: and the reason they've endured.
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  Speaker 3: Is because the rebellious music deeps from ever relevant.
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  Speaker 2: You know, they've always positioned themselves against the status quo.
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  Speaker 2: So when they seen something like I can't get no satisfaction,
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  Speaker 2: they tap into that universal frustration of a society that's
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  Speaker 2: become more polarized, even angrier, throughout their long career. And
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  Speaker 2: when you hear those inimicable riffs, man, it's a catharsis
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  Speaker 2: for whatever's pissing you off, whether it's the Vietnam War
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  Speaker 2: or trump Ism or even bts.
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  Speaker 1: You know, well see, and that's every bit the reason
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  Speaker 1: why in my own heart, and people argue with me
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  Speaker 1: all the time, I say that the Rolling Stones were
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  Speaker 1: far more powerful than the Beatles because they did speak
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  Speaker 1: my street. They did talk about the what was going
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  Speaker 1: on in our lives that nobody else would say. They
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  Speaker 1: would just say there's certain things we don't say. Well,
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  Speaker 1: the Stones said it. They brought it out in their lyrics.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, look, you know they were the anti Beatles.
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  Speaker 2: They positioned themselves that way. It was all about their image.
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  Speaker 2: They were the bad boys and they were going to
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  Speaker 2: live that life they did. I mean, you know, Nick
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  Speaker 2: and Keith have always not cared about how they looked
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  Speaker 2: to others. They didn't bow on stage like the Beatles.
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  Speaker 2: They were light to their hosts like the Beatles. I'll
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  Speaker 2: never forget. They were on Jukebox Jewelry one time in
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  Speaker 2: the UK, where every group always praised every other singer,
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  Speaker 2: but the Stones listened to five records and they trashed
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  Speaker 2: all of them.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they just don't care, and that's what makes
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  Speaker 3: them so great.
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  Speaker 2: They're like all of us, you know, we would like
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  Speaker 2: to be that way they speak for us.
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  Speaker 1: You bring up something here that shot me back to
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  Speaker 1: my teenage years in a heart because I was not
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  Speaker 1: there when the Stones really arrived the first time, but
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  Speaker 1: by god, I was there when that song Miss You
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  Speaker 1: came out and everybody was going, that's the Rolling Stones,
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  Speaker 1: what are you talking about? That's the Rolling Stones. That's
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  Speaker 1: my mom and dad's band, and they're here. But I
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  Speaker 1: love the way that you talk about how the Stones
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  Speaker 1: had to reinvent themselves and it was huge, huge.
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  Speaker 2: I mean that was probably their biggest single, in fact,
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  Speaker 2: I think it was, and they threw everybody a curved
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  Speaker 2: because you know, they've been quiet for a couple of years.
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  Speaker 2: They've been arguing with each other. They hadn't been on
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  Speaker 2: the road. Nobody thought that they could reinvent themselves with
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  Speaker 2: a different type of music. And here they are in
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  Speaker 2: the midst of the disco craze with a song likes
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  Speaker 2: Miss You that tapped into the spirit of the times.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what they've always been able to do. They're
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  Speaker 2: a remarkable band.
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  Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Bob Spitz coming
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  Speaker 1: right up, the creator of the Rolling Stone's the biography,
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  Speaker 1: which is in bookstores.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 1: We are back with historian Bob Spitz. Were they ever
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  Speaker 1: really interested in the pop charts because I always got
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  Speaker 1: that vibe. It was like, Nah, listen to the whole album, dude,
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  Speaker 1: don't just do one song at a time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I hate I hate to boast your balloon.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, I have never met a rock and
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  Speaker 2: roller no matter how serious they were, they didn't keep their.
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  Speaker 3: Eye on those charts, really, And.
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  Speaker 2: You can always see them backstage where nobody's booking. They've
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  Speaker 2: got billboard, they've got cash box, and they're checking out
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  Speaker 2: to see where they land because it's so important to
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  Speaker 2: be able to make the next record depending on the
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  Speaker 2: spirit and and you know, the Stones they show you
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  Speaker 2: that they don't care that they care their music, their
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  Speaker 2: their business man.
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  Speaker 1: So what did that world look like if they were
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  Speaker 1: back there looking at those music magazines and today we're
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  Speaker 1: looking at our smartphones. My god, I mean they probably
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  Speaker 1: got the same crew in their neck then, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just by looking down at all those things.
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  Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, yeah, no, they look Mick Jagger is the
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  Speaker 2: most He's the consonant businessman. I don't know if you
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  Speaker 2: realize this, but they have never had a manager other
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  Speaker 2: than Mick Jagger. He has been their manager for the
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  Speaker 2: last fifty years. He makes all the music deals, he makes,
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  Speaker 2: he schedules all their concerts, He negotiates every contract. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you know, this guy really knows how to keep his
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  Speaker 2: life straight ahead.
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  Speaker 3: He's a businessman first and foremost. Okay, then he's a musician.
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  Speaker 1: Then that makes me come up to this next one,
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  Speaker 1: and that is is that because you write about the
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  Speaker 1: dark times of the Rolling Stones, and my question was
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  Speaker 1: going to be who was the light? And I think
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  Speaker 1: you just told me Jagger was the light of this band.
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  Speaker 1: If things were tripping and falling and stumbling and going
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  Speaker 1: over here, somebody had to put that band back on
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  Speaker 1: its path.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Mick has always managed to keep it together.
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  Speaker 2: When Brian Jones fell apart, when Keith was in his
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  Speaker 2: drug phase and couldn't function, Mick kept that band on
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  Speaker 2: the road and held everybody together, and he knew how
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  Speaker 2: to do it. He He never really yelled at anybody
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  Speaker 2: in that band when Keith was doing drugs.
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  Speaker 3: Mick never said don't do them. He stuck.
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  Speaker 2: He just stood by him and he just kept it
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  Speaker 2: everything together.
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  Speaker 3: It was a remarkable position for a singer to do.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of keeping things together, can we give major kudos
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  Speaker 1: to Sloane Harris? Come on now, Sloane needs a pat
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  Speaker 1: on the back here.
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  Speaker 3: Sloan has been my agent for twenty five years. He
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  Speaker 3: is my soul and inspiration. He keeps me on the
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  Speaker 3: straight and narrow. He's my Mick jagger Man. He is
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  Speaker 3: the guy who really holds it all together for me.
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  Speaker 1: How did you even get your hands on so much information?
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  Speaker 1: Because here's the thing, we all assume we know the
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  Speaker 1: rolling Stones until you dive into your book and all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden it's like where was this hiding? What
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  Speaker 1: rock was this under?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? You know, it all comes to the fact that
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  Speaker 2: these guys are comfortable with me as musicians as a musician,
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  Speaker 2: and I understand their story and they're willing to, you know,
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  Speaker 2: gabble a little and forget that.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not depressed. You know.
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  Speaker 2: I may be a writer, but I'm a musician first,
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  Speaker 2: and they're willing to tell me what really happened. And
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  Speaker 2: so I've been lucky I was able to put this
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  Speaker 2: story together that way.
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  Speaker 1: What did you learn from this? Because with you being
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  Speaker 1: a musician and now the historian, but I still think
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  Speaker 1: that you're somebody that it's helping the future grow forward
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  Speaker 1: and not somebody who's just looking in the past. So
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  Speaker 1: you're reflecting on something so we can become greater in
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  Speaker 1: our tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: What I learned about all this is it's all about performing.
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  Speaker 2: Once you start performing, stop performing, things fall apart.
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  Speaker 3: What would happen with the Beatles?
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  Speaker 2: They stopped performing in nineteen sixty six, and that was
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  Speaker 2: the beginning of the end for them. Nick makes sure
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  Speaker 2: that every time things are foundering, every time he's having
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  Speaker 2: an argument with Keith, he gets a tour together, and
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  Speaker 2: once they're performing, the music just sets the table for them,
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  Speaker 2: keeps everybody happy.
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  Speaker 1: You got to come back to this show anytime in
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  Speaker 1: the future. Dude, I like breaking down music with you
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  Speaker 1: because you get it.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks, I'd love to do it. I've enjoyed being here
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  Speaker 3: with you.
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  Speaker 1: You'd be brilliant today.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, thank you, Arrow, I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you,