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NFL Week 17 Reaction: Coach Of The Year Debate, Playoff Predictions & Momentum Vs. Analytics Talk · Bussin' With The Boys

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  Speaker 1: got a football coach. We got a ball coach. Huh
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  Speaker 1: got ourselves a ball coach. Kyle Whittingham twenty one seasons
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  Speaker 1: at Utah over three decades at Utah. Honestly spent most
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  Speaker 1: of his life in Utah. He played football at BYU,
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  Speaker 1: did a little bit over there was under Urban Meyer,
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  Speaker 1: and then took the head coaching job when overmine, I
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  Speaker 1: believe went to Florida.
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  Speaker 2: Correct?
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  Speaker 1: Is that my correct in saying that? So a lot
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  Speaker 1: of success there comes over hat in hand does his
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  Speaker 1: press conference? He has one statement that just absolutely fires
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  Speaker 1: me up. Really, did you watch the press conference, the
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  Speaker 1: Michigan press conference. I didn't think you would, But it's
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  Speaker 1: okay because I'm going to tell.
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  Speaker 2: You everything you need to hear and check it out.
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  Speaker 1: He says you will become us, we will not become you.
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  Speaker 1: And that's referring to the culture of Michigan. He said
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  Speaker 1: all the right things in my opinion, and then you
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  Speaker 1: start to break down what's this man about to bring
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  Speaker 1: because you really start to realize that Kyle Woodingham what
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  Speaker 1: he is. He's a boss. He's a CEO type of
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  Speaker 1: individual that is going to be the name to face
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  Speaker 1: the culture of your franchise. But he's going to allow
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  Speaker 1: the coaches who he brings in with great hires to
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  Speaker 1: coach these guys and then game management, culture, attitude, toughness.
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  Speaker 1: The whole thing comes from winning. I believe he's worked
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  Speaker 1: out for more than like six thousand days in a
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  Speaker 1: row or something like that. He's got some weird stat
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  Speaker 1: that in that way. But start to read a couple
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  Speaker 1: of things. Jason Beck the OC at Utah, that's his
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  Speaker 1: front runner for who's going to be his OC at Michigan.
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  Speaker 1: Scored forty one point five points per game last year.
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  Speaker 1: They were the number two offense in all of college football,
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  Speaker 1: the number five rush defense, and those two stats might
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  Speaker 1: be flipped and might be two for rushing, five in total.
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  Speaker 1: So that gets you pretty fired up. You watch Utah's offense.
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  Speaker 1: I've watched like four games over the weekend just to
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  Speaker 1: rewatch the play calling, all those things. Very creative, very exciting.
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  Speaker 1: They love to run the ball, but they're very creative
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  Speaker 1: in their past game as well, which is awesome for
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  Speaker 1: a quarterback. That will help. I pray to God stays
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  Speaker 1: at Michigan. Then they got this DC. Who's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: the DC? J Hill? Who's Jay Hill? That's the DC
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  Speaker 1: for BYU. You're probably wondering, what how are we gonna have?
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  Speaker 1: How are we gonna have a BYU, who's sworn enemy
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  Speaker 1: is Utah. How is the d C from him? From
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  Speaker 1: BYU gonna go with a guy from Utah to Michigan.
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  Speaker 1: J Hill at Weber State went over to Utah for
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  Speaker 1: a few years and apparently has a great relationship with Kyle.
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  Speaker 1: Whittingham saw that to be said, boys, cautiously optimistic if
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  Speaker 1: we could just keep this roster intact, which is a
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  Speaker 1: big if, right And I think it starts at the
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  Speaker 1: top of that quarterback, he stays. I think the rest
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  Speaker 1: of them stay.
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  Speaker 2: We spend a.
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  Speaker 1: Butload of money, we get to middle of January, I
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  Speaker 1: might be called for a national championship. I might, but
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  Speaker 1: right now I'm caustiously optimistic right now because the more
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  Speaker 1: are we in this cat, the more I'm like, we
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  Speaker 1: got a leader of men with integrity. You know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying, Gregor can you hear me?
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  Speaker 3: Greg's here? One quick note to selfishly insert Baylor in here.
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  Speaker 3: Utah beat Baylor by completing their first pass of the
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  Speaker 3: game with five minutes left in the fourth quarter, put
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  Speaker 3: at fifty seven on us. They ain't have to throw
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  Speaker 3: the ball. They're big, ugly.
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  Speaker 4: Baylor being Baylor.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm very excited for Michigan. I think Whittingham is
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  Speaker 3: going to be a great fit. And I think all
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  Speaker 3: the talent that he'll be able to bring in with
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  Speaker 3: the Michigan m as well as just like all the
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  Speaker 3: prowess and all of his experience be dangerous.
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  Speaker 1: Can I see one more thing?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, sir.
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  Speaker 1: You go over Twitter, you go in the search bar,
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  Speaker 1: you type of Michigan football. You see a lot of
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  Speaker 1: opinions being made. You see some USC fan bases that
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  Speaker 1: are like, oh shit, Kyle Woodingham is now in the
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  Speaker 1: Big ten. Like Utah was owning the Pac twelve for
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  Speaker 1: a couple of years and they figured out USC and
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  Speaker 1: Oregon and Washington, all these big schools, and USC was
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  Speaker 1: kind of happy to get away from Kylewoodham allegedly. I
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  Speaker 1: will also say this, Utah fans maybe the nicest group
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  Speaker 1: of people. Great, they've been incredible. But I've been watching,
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  Speaker 1: like the banter culture culture.
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  Speaker 2: I've been in the back, I've been in.
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  Speaker 1: The shadows a little bit, just kind of watching, and
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  Speaker 1: it seems like Utah fans and Michigan fans like at
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  Speaker 1: first wanted to do this, but then they realized, like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I think I think we're Okay here, I think we're
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  Speaker 1: really Hey, Utah fans are really happy for Michigan fans.
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  Speaker 1: Michigan fans are very like now we're like fans of
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  Speaker 1: Utah for some reason. So it seems like we got
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  Speaker 1: some harmony taking place between Utah and the University of Michigan. Greg,
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  Speaker 1: do you care to comment?
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  Speaker 4: I just can't escape all you Michigan guys. I had
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  Speaker 4: a new Portnoy this morning and listen to him talking
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  Speaker 4: about how the block and is is how you just
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  Speaker 4: get to select what coach you want and you have
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  Speaker 4: your pick of the litter. And I guess you forgot that. Literally,
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  Speaker 4: if this guy didn't just leave Utah because he didn't
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  Speaker 4: want to be part of that private equity recruiting, who
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  Speaker 4: would be the coach?
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  Speaker 1: No, you're right, listen, I's.
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  Speaker 4: He's a great coach. I'm not debating all, no doubt.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about Dave Portnoy, the attitude.
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  Speaker 4: I can't escape you Michigan guys. But I will say
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  Speaker 4: it was not looking good when it all went down,
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  Speaker 4: and there was a lot of questions of who you
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  Speaker 4: were going to get, and there was rumors about Caitlin
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  Speaker 4: de Boor and Dillingham and all these guys, and then
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  Speaker 4: they're renewing and renewing and taking themselves off the board,
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  Speaker 4: and uh, I don't think it could have worked considering
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  Speaker 4: how bad the situation was, I don't think it could
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  Speaker 4: have worked out any better for Michigan to get him.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, I agree with that. And let me just say
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  Speaker 1: Dave and his attitude about Michigan, I can understand that attitude.
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  Speaker 1: I kind of had it a little bit. These last
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  Speaker 1: couple of years. I've realized I need to fall back
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  Speaker 1: a little bit and just be a true fan of
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  Speaker 1: Michigan and just hope for the best cause this whole
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  Speaker 1: Like you know, blue Chip we're gonna tion which they are,
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  Speaker 1: top five program, which they are, but the Michigan man,
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  Speaker 1: all the things, the arrogance that kind of comes with it.
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  Speaker 1: We've talked about it quite a bit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you've changed it up over there. It's time.
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  Speaker 1: It's time to settle in and just realize, like, other
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  Speaker 1: than twenty one to twenty three, since what I got there,
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  Speaker 1: it's not been great like nine to now. It's not
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  Speaker 1: been like, oh, this is the greatest program in the
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  Speaker 1: entire world. We need to get back to that. I
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  Speaker 1: think Kyle Woodingham is the guy that gets us back
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  Speaker 1: to that.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, all right, he's I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know a ton about him. Obviously, I know
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  Speaker 4: how good he was and how successful he was at Utah.
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  Speaker 4: Any idea why he was at Utah so long? Like
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  Speaker 4: why didn't he go to.
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  Speaker 2: I was curious about that too, because he did that.
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  Speaker 4: Wasn't he going to Alabama? Why wasn't he going to
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  Speaker 4: Michigan years ago? Like? Right? And again he could have
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  Speaker 4: just been super loyal. And again I don't know a
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  Speaker 4: ton about him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, my understanding is he's a million gah.
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  Speaker 2: Winning ten eleven games and having that kind of culture
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  Speaker 2: at Utah is not easy. It is not easy. I
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  Speaker 2: think Michigan did find somebody.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's a home run, and I think from
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  Speaker 4: a stabilizing factor, you can just hear it when he talks,
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  Speaker 4: you can hear it when he commands the room. I
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  Speaker 4: think for everything both football and non football going on
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  Speaker 4: at Michigan over the last couple of years, I think
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  Speaker 4: he checks a lot of boxes. Besides just hey, he's
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  Speaker 4: won a lot of games in the past. I do
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  Speaker 4: think he's going to bring a leadership and a presence
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  Speaker 4: to the program that they need right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree with that. I know that there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of transition taking place as far as conferences go,
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  Speaker 1: like when he got in there the Mountain West and
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  Speaker 1: they go to the PAC twelve, and so there was
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  Speaker 1: like a lot of changing taking place. But I know
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  Speaker 1: at one point he was offered the Florida job. He
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  Speaker 1: was offered a multitude of other jobs. When rich Rodriguez
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  Speaker 1: was like the hot new name at West Virginia back
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  Speaker 1: when I was in high school and ended up taking
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  Speaker 1: the Michigan job, I know people were kind of clamoring
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  Speaker 1: for Kyle Woodingham as well. And then when rich Rod left,
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  Speaker 1: if it wasn't when Bratty Hoak was the next coach,
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  Speaker 1: Kyle Woodham's kind of name kind of did come up.
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  Speaker 1: And then when Britty Hook left, it seem like it
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  Speaker 1: was Horball or bust. And even when Harrball left, I
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  Speaker 1: believe Whittingham was a name that also came up again.
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  Speaker 1: But they also they clearly hired internally wish row More,
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  Speaker 1: which ended up not being the move. Yeah, ended up
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  Speaker 1: not being the move there.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like it's as he right, as he like
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  Speaker 2: you know, as they move changed the chapter, turned the
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  Speaker 2: page and everything else. Like say, Whittingham is going to
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  Speaker 2: have success at Michigan, I feel like it'll it'll be
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  Speaker 2: in the spots where you even even the years where
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  Speaker 2: you won the Natty or those times were all that
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  Speaker 2: staff and everything was together and how everything went down.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like it's just gonna be weird to look
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  Speaker 2: back and want to prop those years up.
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  Speaker 1: If you're in Michigan, It'll be interesting to see how
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  Speaker 1: like that.
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  Speaker 2: That's just that's just my own observation listening to winning
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  Speaker 2: Ham come in and just seeing some of the tweets
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  Speaker 2: that were written about him, because he does seem like
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  Speaker 2: a good a good head football.
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  Speaker 1: I saw a Notre Dame, a Notre Dame alum kind
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  Speaker 1: of got on and was like, this is what you're
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  Speaker 1: getting with winning Ham. Integrity, character, You're never gonna have
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  Speaker 1: a scandal. This is a guy that does it the
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  Speaker 1: right way. It's clearly the attitude and the car like
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  Speaker 1: the the man we need at the Helm. After these
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  Speaker 1: past kind of three four years of like you know,
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  Speaker 1: the brand kind of getting hurt from Michigan, myself being like, hey, listen,
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  Speaker 1: I understand that I'm understanding why people dislike Michigan so much.
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  Speaker 1: Now there's a piece of me that loves people hating Michigan.
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  Speaker 2: I think it'll continue to be that way because of
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  Speaker 2: fans like oh dp oh Dave.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's watching Dave.
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  Speaker 2: I'm smiling and laughing at his tweets and also like, God,
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  Speaker 2: I hate this dude.
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  Speaker 1: Dave does go a crazy way about Michigan. I love
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  Speaker 1: I love it. But I'm also I'm a realist enough
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  Speaker 1: to be like, yeah, in twenty years from now, all
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  Speaker 1: about me. Yeah, we won the nat Championship in twenty three.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be very proud of that. I think we had
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  Speaker 1: one of the best rosters ever. But you can't really
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  Speaker 1: ignore all the things that were also taking place.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: As far as the allegations of cheating, I'll fight that
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  Speaker 1: to the end. It seems like the NCAA bent the
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  Speaker 1: knee on that with just a fine Let me ask
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  Speaker 1: you this, Greg, Let's get off of Michigan for a second. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: your school play against the Ohio State. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: like ten point dogs right now. There's something Miami's getting
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  Speaker 1: against that. I agree, but I want to know. I mean, Homer,
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  Speaker 1: I want to hear what you have to say about
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  Speaker 1: Carson Beck them running the ball and being three zero
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  Speaker 1: at the end of a half or yeah, three zero
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  Speaker 1: at the end a half against.
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  Speaker 4: An m Yeah, that's not going to cut it.
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  Speaker 1: That is not going to cut it.
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  Speaker 4: That offensive output is not going to cut it. As
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  Speaker 4: you guys know, I am a fan of the forward pass.
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  Speaker 4: I do think the pass is a is a big
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  Speaker 4: is a big asset if you're trying to score some points.
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  Speaker 4: Obviously I'm biased. Obviously I'm a huge Miami game, Miami guy.
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  Speaker 4: This is a Miami house. My wife and I like,
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  Speaker 4: our whole family is Miami people. Mario Cristball is one
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  Speaker 4: of my favorite people in the world. He's a friend.
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  Speaker 4: He coached me, recruited me. I met Mario he was
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  Speaker 4: the GA at Miami. So my rising sophomore year, the
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  Speaker 4: summer between my freshman and sophomore year, my dad brought me.
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  Speaker 4: I had an older brother, my older I still have
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  Speaker 4: an older brother. My older brother was being recruited, so
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  Speaker 4: we went down and Butch Davis was the coach. Mario
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  Speaker 4: Cristobal was the offensive GA and like assistant tight ends coach.
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  Speaker 4: So I was fifteen years old met him down there,
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  Speaker 4: developed a relationship. He then went with Chiano to Rutgers.
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  Speaker 4: I'm from Jersey. They recruited the shit out a Rutger
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  Speaker 4: at a New Jersey when they were at Rutgers, so
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  Speaker 4: I've known Mario. He came back my last two years
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  Speaker 4: and coached me. So my point saying this is we
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  Speaker 4: go way back. I love him. He was the guy
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  Speaker 4: for the job. I always said if he couldn't bring
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  Speaker 4: Miami back, nobody could. So like we are riding with
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  Speaker 4: Miami always. Weirdly speaking, my second favorite team. If they're
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  Speaker 4: not playing Miami, I do cheer for Ohio State. I've
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  Speaker 4: gotten to o Ryan Day really well and become friendly
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  Speaker 4: with him and have spent some time at ot Ohio
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  Speaker 4: State the last couple offseasons. So we're riding with Miami.
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  Speaker 4: If they weren't playing Ohio State, we'd ride with Ohio State.
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  Speaker 4: But we are Miami through and through. Could they do it? Yes,
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  Speaker 4: They're gonna have to play much better on offense, especially
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  Speaker 4: in the passing game.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a win win for It's a win win
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  Speaker 2: for Greg.
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  Speaker 1: The Olsen household doesn't care about the outcome of this game.
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  Speaker 2: The household Miami Olson household my but I know Greg
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  Speaker 2: internally like, no, we want, we want Miami to win,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't It sounds like but if you lose, you're gonna
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  Speaker 2: be happy for coach today.
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  Speaker 4: No, I want to see. I have yearned for. So
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  Speaker 4: my my junior and senior year in high school, Miami
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  Speaker 4: played in back to back national championships. So like I
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  Speaker 4: my whole recruiting process, my whole kind of going through
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  Speaker 4: that whole world was like Miami was the program.
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  Speaker 2: This is early two thousands, right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so this was like two thousand and one, two
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  Speaker 4: thousand and two. Yeah, pre the seasons might have been
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  Speaker 4: two thousand, two thousand and one or whatever, the years
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  Speaker 4: of the national title. So we my junior year we
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  Speaker 4: beat Nebraska, and then my senior year we lost in
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  Speaker 4: overtime to Ohio State, and I ended up going to
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  Speaker 4: Notre Dame with my older brother, but then transferred shortly
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  Speaker 4: thereafter to Miami. So like we are Miami people. Met
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  Speaker 4: my wife there, my brother and sister in law went there,
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  Speaker 4: my younger brother went there, Like we are Miami people,
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  Speaker 4: so we are riding with them, but.
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  Speaker 2: You yearn for those, for those moments.
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  Speaker 4: I want to see Miami back on top again.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: We've been saying that you is back for fifteen years. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it'd be nice to actually be able to say it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm with you too, because anytime, like anytime like a
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  Speaker 2: documentary comes out or anything about Miami, something about the
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  Speaker 2: full white, like the white face mass the orange and
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  Speaker 2: green like I remember my first game on PlayStation was
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  Speaker 2: one of those years when Miami's coming off a national championship,
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  Speaker 2: and the first game that I played was a Miami
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: Florida State game where you could see the glare off
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: the helmet for the first time in a video game,
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: and you thought it was the most realistic thing you'd
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: ever seen in your life. So I'm with you. There
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: is a there's that that fantasy of the Miami logo
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: and everything coming back. I just don't think that they'll
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: have enough to take down state.
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: Especially because Ohio State's coming.
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: They play the game. They play the game, baby, they
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: play the game. Coming on this argument with my kid,
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: you brought up the white helmets. The other day, we
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: were getting ready to watch the A and M game,
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: and my my oldest son, he's like, man, I hope
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: they go all black and the black helmets and I'm
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: sitting there and I'm just like, how dare you? Yeah,
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: the Miami white helmet, especially when we went all white,
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: white helmet, white cleats, white top, like that is just
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: an icon.
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Miami white helmet with the running back face mask,
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: the little two bar.
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: Those legendary Miami games, those National title games, those Hall
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: of Fame players. Yeah, they all had the white helmet
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: with the U on the side, like that was the helmet. Yeah, man,
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: I still got mine right here.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: Hold on, yeah, show it off. Man with the dark visor.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: Boy he's got two Emmys in the back, but he
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: can't display his helmet.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: What'd you ask, Mitch?
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: The one you want? All? You want to see this
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: guy lined up over the top of you on third
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: and seven when you know you got me man coverage
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: And I'm just.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: You're just gonna do Yeah, you're gonna do something on
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: the sticks. You're probably gonna try and lean into my
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: body inside, go up and hook it up around around
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: the sticks.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: Look at that.
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: You A lot of scuff on this, A lot of scuff, Yeah,
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: a lot of scuff. How's this side look?
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: I can't say not so bad, not not as not
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: as scuff side hit.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a helmet that's seeing you know several sea guys.
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: I show you the best part of this? Can I
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: show you the best part of this? Do you remember
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: when our helmets look like that on the exact? When
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: did we all not die? No?
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: I think we slowly are. There's just you know, science
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: got to continue to come.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: That's all human beanks, that's all human beanks. We were fine,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: We're gonna be my.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: High school helmet. I don't I really don't know how
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: we didn't die.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, bro, how hard it is on the inside.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you really got like if it got cold
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: out and you'd put it on, it's like I need fifteen.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: And sometimes I would just leave my helmet on for
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: the entirety of the practice and do the water ball.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't take it off just so it would.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: Be that running back three bread in the Miami helmet.
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: That is.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: That extra two inches at the botto of the face mask.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: All them decals, would you get the decals for all the.
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: Stickers killing people?
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Those are just bodies?
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: You know? His dad His dad was the head coach,
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: so he probably made up a bunch of stickers for him. Yeah,
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: look that is brutal. You had the blue lining boys.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: I love our show. I love our show right now,
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: just showing off the old look face. Look at all
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: these scratches.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: The most of the scratches on the crown of the he.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: Went down here.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a brutal face mask. The one, the one
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: in Miami was the the one, especially as a batter
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: if you got that three bar one.
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: My first year playing at Miami, my red shirt freshman year,
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: I wore that face mask. I have pictures of myself
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: playing in college with the two bar dion but down
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: to here so bad.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Gotta protect my neck, gotta protect my throat.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: How much of the players kill you for that before
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: you were like, I got to change the face mask?
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: Oh, I think I think at the time, I think
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: we all thought it was cool. I don't know, I
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: don't know. I really look back, and I'm like, questionable decisions.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: No doubt. You see, Like even like in the nineties,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: the giant shoulder pads and the cowboy collar. My junior
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: of high school, I had the butterfly collar. I had
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: no neck issues. I just wanted to look bigger. I
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: was just trying to get after it. No, no, none, My.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: Shoulder pads in high school were this big.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was about it was about the.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: Arms were like super skinny, sticking out the bottom and
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: back then. I don't know about you guys, but when
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: I played are well like later in my in my
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: high school, but like early on, our sleeves were like loose,
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: you know. Yeah, so we would twist them and then
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: tape them and then you like rolled the tape up
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: to make them tight. That was before they had like elastic.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you had like these.
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: I still have skinny arms, but like these little skinny
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: bitch arms sticking out the bottom of these huge shoulder pads.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Looking like straws coming out of a bottom.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: No doubt, it is the funniest look in the world
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: to just see giants shoulder pads and little sticks coming
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: out of there.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, think about you. You think of an image
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: of a Miami player. It's like Ray Lewis when he
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: had those massive pads. The jersey was like up to
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: his above his belly, but massive helmet on.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: I never got into the crop. That was never my
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: body type.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Always I would always look at some of my other
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: offensive linement brothre and when they would go crop top
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, the confidence on these guys, just let
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: that thing hang out. I wish I was secure in
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: my body at the time, because I think the crop
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: top look goes hard, goes hard.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if you look like some of those guys.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: I kind of I think the big boys doing it too.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: I don't mind.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, the big boys.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: So I was like in the middle right, Like I
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: wasn't like so big that you just like into it.
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: It's like that guy is awesome. But then obviously I
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: wasn't like washboard app so I was kind of like
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: dad Bob.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: Bro.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Once the compression shorts got on me and it squeezed
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: the muffletop a little bit toward it seemed like it
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: was oozing out like an ice cream cone. Like we're
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: guys that's seen like, oh, they got some athletic ability
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: or an athletic build. But if you get seen with
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: that hanging over, you're kind of like a you're not
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: leaning in.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: What's going on here, dude. I would spend even in
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: the legally, I would get my compression like shorts and
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I would put my feet in it with the waistband
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: and I would pull it just to try to combat
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: that the exact thing you're talking about.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Sometimes I would put my compressions over my mouth. I
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: can't get I can't get caught. You were like you
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: or you're like kind of a couple of practices and
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: then I'm just like, I can't get caught doing this. Man,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: the boys are gonna clown my eyes.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Dude. But in a game, though, in a game, you
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: put it up a little higher so it does just
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: the jersey when it squeezes in, like just form fits
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: you all the way down. Yeah, because catching that angle, dude, Yeah,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: cut in that angle, it's a tough.
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: It's a tough go, especially like in December. Maybe in
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: like August training camp you're like I'm pretty good, Like yeah, yep.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: Like I would see pictures of myself in August, right
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: before training camp, and I was like, that's look, it's
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: pretty good.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: December, you're just like eating pizza, holding on for dear life.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Pie.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: You're already thinking about this offseason. I'm gonna do X,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Y and Z.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna shape it's the divisional round of the playoffs, dude.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: No, it's before Christmas. You're just like, I'm gonna do it.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna get it done. That is that's every every
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: white guy, every white guy that plays football, because you.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you have this regiment about you. You're like,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: I am this is me the entire year. I'm not
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: gonna waiver on this. And then week four hits and
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: you're like, fuck it, dude, pizza had a bad game, Pizza, sushi,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Chinese food with the boy on Mondays.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a comfort, there's a mental comfort to all
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: of that.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're trying to hit some New Year's right.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: The year reminiscing just made my day. So what else
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: you guys.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Got, Dude, Let's talk about our tweets.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: The my tweet So, dude, I land check Twitter. Yeah,
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: mine mentions I'm getting killed, and I finally scroll up
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: to the source of it all and both of you
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: separately tweet me. But Will sends me about momentum. You're
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: asking me about going for two tailor. I was sitting
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: on the plane taxing dying dude.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: And you know what's crazy too, is it's literally coming down.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: I'm like, this is the perfect scenario for us to
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: talk about tomorrow. And I'm thinking the Bills are going
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: to get this. They should go for too. I hope
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: mcdermom does go for two, and then obviously it would happened.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Happened if they just would have kicked the pat after
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: the first touchdown, it would have been a moot point.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: But after the game, all of them are kind of
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: discussing should you have gone for two? Should you not have?
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: And everybody who was like, yes, you should have gone
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: for two all brought up momentum as their key point.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: Of course, because they don't know what else to say.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because analytics can't measure moments.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: And by the way, add more momentum after the back
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: to back touchdown drives no doubt. If they would have
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: only gotten more momentum, they would have made the two
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: point and then.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Kick the extra point, it would have gotten blocked again,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: well analytically. Analytically, you sit back and you look at
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: like here, here's where you know. And by the way,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: I'm with you on the go for two. I was
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: just grinning ear to ear knowing that this game was
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: going to come down to I wonder if the Bills
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: are going to go for two. I had my tweet
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: ready to go and I just held on it. I'm like,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: I gotta make sure the Bills don't get the two
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: point conversion. Yeah for this to work. Now you're learning, Yeah, yeah,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: you're learning.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: You have to make sure your criticism comes after you
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: know the results.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. So I shoot that. I shoot that out there,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: But I'm also thinking in my head like, okay, here's
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: a good analytical question as well, like if you're self
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: scouting yourself, because you're right though, one touch up before
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: that extra point gets blocked. So it's like, okay, well,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: we're just we're have to go for two because the
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: extra point got blocked, but we're also going to go
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: for two because that's what our game plan, our strategy
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: is gonna be. Anyways, try to win in regulation. But
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: my question would be when do also analytics within your
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: own season come into play, because yeah, they got their
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: extra point block, but what's their percentage on making an
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: extra point to go into ot versus you are before
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: this two failed two point conversion. You're one for six
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: at going for two throughout this year as the Buffalo Bills.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: So they missed this one, they're now one for seven
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: on going for two. So analytically, in general, universally, it's like, hey,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: everything screams go for two. But if you're the Bills,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: you haven't been successful at all. Really, you've been successful
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: one time out of six up until that point of
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: going for two. And then you look at the if
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: you look at the example last week, which it's like,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: why didn't the Bears go for two? They end up
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: kicking the extra point, going to overtime and winning ot
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Bills it felt like they did. Bringing up the word momentum,
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: had all the momentum because Philadelphia had what twelve yards
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: passing in the second.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Happen and they had twelve yards total twelve yard.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Total in the second half, Like Philly wasn't doing anything
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: offensively and they were up thirteen nothing going to that
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: fourth quarter, and Josh Allen was Josh Allen. Buffalo was
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: becoming Buffalo. Their offense was becoming that offense, So why
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: not kick that extra point? Going ot? Like in my
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: head knowing like confidence level, whise, like, bro, we are
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: we're taking over this team because they're not moving the
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: ball at all.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: Yes, my confidence. Your confidence was so high, your momentum
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: was very high. You had just scored back to back touchdowns.
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: Why did your offense the defense was reeling, The defense
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: was tired I've heard all these things right for the
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: whole year, then it's even more reason. If that's the mentality,
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: then it's even more reason to say, keep my offense
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: on the field. They couldn't stop us. Put the offense
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: back on the field, and let's win the game with
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: my hobbled quarterback who's banged up his foot. Do I
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: want to play a whole overtime period? And they talk about, well,
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: just make the extra point and go to overtime. Badgely
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: was twenty to twenty five on the year an extra points, he's.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: But again one for six on two point conversion. So
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: most of you want to look at.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: Who are you gonna bet that's gonna go above their odds?
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: Badge your third kicker of the year or.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen your third kicker of the year.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: Okay, well that's our next.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Point, I would go, so are you arguing? Are you
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: arguing just to argue?
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Like I am arguing just to argue, because I do
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: want to know, like, at what point are you self
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: scouting enough to be like, all right, I get that
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: you're rolling the dice go in this direction with going
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: for two, but again you have failed to convert two
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: point conversion. You know, five out of the six times
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: that you've already done it now six out of the seven.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's a valid argument. And obviously that's something
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: that each team has to take into consideration as they
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: look at their own two point plays, their play calls,
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: their strategy. So that's certainly a fair and valid argument.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: I think where the where the argument universally, I'm not
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: saying your argument, I'm just saying the universal argument on
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: all of this is everyone just assumes you make the
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: extra point. And I just watched you miss an extra
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: point by yeah yeah, yeah. So like there's always this
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: assumption that if you go for two, you're gonna miss,
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: and it's so stupid. All you had to do was
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: line up in the driving rain and just make a
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: simple extra point that oh yeah, on your first touchdown
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: I watched get blocked. So like there's this assumption that
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: what happened on the previous two point play matters, but
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: what happened on the previous point after try is somehow irrelevant.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: I asked you this question the night before Texans Chargers.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: Dick or the kicker has had an amazing season. Amazing
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: So they are down ten, they go down and they score.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: The Chargers are down ten, they go down and score
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: a touchdown. So we're watching this game at our hotel
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: in Indie because that game was a big factor in
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: how meaningful our game was yesterday. Yeah, the Bolts needed
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: the Chargers to come back and win for the Colts
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: to still be playing for something against Jacksonville yesterday. So selfishly,
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: we're like, we love this game to mean something to Indy.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: So we're watching intently. I say all that long story short.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: They score a touchdown. So now it's a four point game.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, how much times left?
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: Uh that's a good question, is it like under it's
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: it's it's minutes to go into thirty.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, that's that's good enough.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: Uh hold on, he's.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Got to know he's got now you know Gray, he's
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: just he's a detailed oriented guy.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: Well it matters. It's a great question.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: It's enough. And you're like, yeah, that's not that's.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: That's that's a conversation.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: Touchdown.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: That's all I need to know. I need to know
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: exactly seven.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so lots of time? How many time outs?
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: I think they had all of them?
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, So and all the time in the world.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Analytically, this is a time where you scored and go
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: for two, correct.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: I'm asked, Okay, so I'm just painting this scenarios. This
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: is a very So you talk about like where these
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: teams are on the cutting edge, nobody's quite ready. Like
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: the down by fourteen thing, You're starting to see more
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: teams after the first touchdown. Not everybody, but a lot
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: of teams are going for two the first time to
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: try to make it six. The fifteen to one. We
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: talked about fourth down. This was the fourth down conversation
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: like five years ago. So there's phases to all of this.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: I don't know if teams are ready to like regularly
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: adopt down ten to go for two to make a
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: field goal win it. But let's just talk about what happened.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: So they try to just take the foregone conclusion of
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: making this extra point. This sun is blaring on my face.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna shed the b lines hold on. So they
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: take the day, Just take the points, make it a
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: three point It's a field goal game, right, That's what
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: everyone's saying. Making a field goal game. Don't make it
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: a touchdown game. He misses the extra point, so they
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: now are down four and they need a touchdown to win.
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: No longer a field goal could tie. If they would
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: have went for two and failed, they still would have
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: been down four. What is the difference at the end
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: of the game for Harball the press conference, dicker, the
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: kicker needs to be better, he's been awesome all year,
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: and he missed the kick. You go for two. The
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: question is, coach, you are there now. It didn't matter.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: They never got the ball back. But if Justin Herbert
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: got that ball down four, that conversation. If you need
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: a touchdown and you get goal to go and you
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: come up short, it's like, if only you were down three,
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: you would have kicked the field goal and tied the game. Well,
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: you missed the extra point. But now the coach doesn't
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: have to justify. The coach just says, my kicker stinks.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: I'm a great coach.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, listener, you've really gotten me on the down
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: fourteen late. You score the first touchdown, you go for two.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: I'm understanding that level of aggression, but ten points, I'm
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: not seeing where it's go for two in the situation.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm saying that's so. Yeah, I guess this is
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: where that phase is still that gap started close.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Because I guess I'm looking at it like, you clearly
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: just kick the extra point.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: I'm starting I'm starting to naturally feel like when you're
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: down ten, that's all I was asking the time. If
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: you're within like what six seven minutes, I'm starting to yeah, fuck,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: if you're around that timeframe. I am now starting to
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: naturally think if you're down ten and you score, you
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: now go for two. So I'm starting to get into
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: the that you know, New world where you know Greg
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: and they're they're teaching you all these this analytical side
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: of football on what you would do. So Yeah, hearing that,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking, oh, damn, that's a bad Yeah, that's a
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: bad move on the coaching side to not go for
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: two in that situation.
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And I'm not saying that it's a no brainer.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying that if it was me that I
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: feel so strongly that I would do it every time.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: I'm not suggesting that. All I'm suggesting is we have
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: programmed that the anti analytics, the anti two crowd, has
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: built their argument from point after tries or one one
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: hundred percent successful all of the time, and two point
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: plays are failures, Like we have completely taken both ends
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: in the extremes where no one ever misses a pat
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: and everyone always fails a two point play, and it's
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: just obviously not true.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's obviously not true. But still I feel like
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: the percentages are way different. I think we talked about
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: two point conversions being what fifty percent close, say the
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: mid forties point after try is I gotta believe in
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: the eighties.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh of course it's Oh I bet you, it's higher,
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: I bet you.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just being conservative. So some guy on the
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: internet right now is all like, actually it's this, you know.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Taylor, he's battling an imaginary hater.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just in case, you know, this is called covering.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: It's like Will holding his tweet back for a couple
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: extra minutes. You got to do that.
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: Two point tries are hard. That's why you typically want
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: multiple cracks at him. Yeah, so like it just that's
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: the whole idea again, the down fourteen, the down fifteen.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: You want multiple cracks, so you want multiple opportunities to
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: get him because going one for one is hard. Going
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: one for one is less than a coin flip.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: How many two point plays when you were playing, did
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: you guys practice one? Maybe two?
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: We on our call sheet probably inside the five those
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: were probably your you know you're inside the five. We
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: probably had five total. Yeah, and a couple of passes,
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: which I guess was like a separate Like that was
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: like Jumbo twenty three big bodies and everyone had like
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: a million different tight end play actions and faked. We
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: did a ship ton of it with Cam. Our goal
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: line stuff was actually really good. Obviously he was a
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: huge factor in that because he was such a threat
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: whether he was in gun, whether he's under center. So
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: like our goal line stuff was pretty extensive just because
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: of him. But uh yeah, teams have way more now
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: than they used to.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let me ask you this, Greg, what would the conversation,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: so if we're talking about the extremes on the analytics
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: side of like you're not wrong trying to kick the
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: extra point, but you know that one right there, you
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: miss YadA, YadA, YadA, what would be your conversation with
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: coach Harball or a head coach on what they're thinking
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: is or what they should challenge themselves to interrogate about
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: themselves on why you don't go for two in that situation.
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: Like if I was trying to convince some wife, right, Like.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: If you're sitting there and you're in a room with
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: these head coaches on thinking about this, this level of
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: thinking with the two point conversion, because a lot of
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: it does come back to this press or like, hey,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: what is what are we avoiding by not trying to
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: go for two here? You know what I'm saying?
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, I think the first the first thing I
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: would try to just present is how much of your
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: decision making is effected on your desire or lack there
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: of answering these questions like how much does that matter
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: to you? How much does public perception, how much does criticism,
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: how much does the fallback matter? And I think it's
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: a fair I don't blame coaches who do value it.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: I think there's certain coaches that have built up more
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: credits and more stock that those postgame press conferences are
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: a non factor. Right. Their jobs not on the line,
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: they're not under constant heat. It's a very different experience
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: in different markets for different coaches, based on market size, media,
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: how much they've won or lost. Right, Like certain coaches
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: are teflon, You're not going to get up there and
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: question decisions made by you know. I mean, I guess
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: we saw Andy Reid get questioned this year, but that
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: seems kind of stupid. So I do think there are
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: varying degrees of your ability to stand at the podium
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: and say nothing any of you say matter. My job
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: is safe and I'll do it again. Right, It's the
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: Dan Campbell effect. So you first got to just decide
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: how much is your decision making being influenced by any
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: of those emotions. These are emotional decisions, and you value
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: that as a person. The conversation should end, right. There's
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: no convincing anyone that what emotions they they feel aren't real.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: I'm never gonna convince anyone otherwise. Right. If that's just
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: how you feel, you might be wrong. But I'm never
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: gonna win that bat. An emotional battle is never gonna
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: be won if that's not the limiting factor, and they
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: are open minded to just talking about Okay, what does
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: improve our chances? It comes down to trying to win
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: the game when you get an opportunity in regulation. Now,
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: regular season, postseason has changed over time has changed a
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: little bit, so the odds are a little bit more
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: in your favor with both teams getting a possession, But
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: by and large, I would try to operate as often
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: as possible. If I get an opportunity to win the
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: game in regulation, I'm gonna do it. And those would
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: probably be like my two main north stars. And then
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of nuance in situation and strengths of
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: your team and quarterback style and offensive play caller. Like
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: then there's a lot of like team nuance that each
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: team has to make their own decision based, but like
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: those two guiding principles would be where I would start personally.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the thing I love about this conversation is that
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: you're exactly the last thing you said is like, it's
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: not like a black and white type of thing. It
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: depends on what personnel you have, what quarterback though, and
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: that that's what makes it so much more fun to
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: look into and see, like, hey, what coach is willing
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: to slap their balls on the table and be like
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: this is what is what we're gonna do we get
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: in a week out regardless of circumstance. While you were talking,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: I was thinking about the fifteen points being down, fifteen
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: go you go for two in the first touchdown. You
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: don't get it the second time, you have to use
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: you know what, I've worked through it in my head.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: You have to go for two in the second one
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: to even tie it. Never mind, I'm back, I'm back.
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: Let me again not to rehash all of that, because if.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: You don't get the first one, you're down nine. Right,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: So that's where him trying to wrap our heads around
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: going for two down fifteen. That's where I'm kind That's
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: why I get a little bit more resistant.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: Again, it comes it comes down to take the emotion
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: out of it. From a practical standpoint. Would you rather
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: be down nine with three and a half minutes or
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: would you rather be down two with fifteen seconds?
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: No?
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand that that's it.
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: From a non emotional not the how hard I'm going
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: to play on defense and the defense is so more
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: motivated down eight that they are nine, and the guys
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: on the sideliner slapping each other on the backs, like,
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: eliminate all of that. Yeah, just from a practical sense.
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: The argument against what the Phi, what Philly did, and
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: what everyone came after me for supporting, was they assumed
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: that you missed the first one and you're down nine,
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: and you're an idiot be down eight and it's a
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: one score game and take it to overtime. But and
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: I'm down nine is because I failed on the two
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: point conversion. So why would being down eight? Why should
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: I assume I get the two point conversion?
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Defense? Have it both ways defensif it's a little bit
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: more retired, a little bit more defeated, like fuck, they're
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: probably gonna get that. It's a mom first one.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: I started this conversation. I apologize.
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: It's emotion, and that's why I said, if emotion's gonna
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: run it, you're never gonna win the battle. And that's okay.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying those feelings aren't real. I'm just saying
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: they're not impactful. And if they are impactful, you should
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: fire your defense. You should cut everyone. And Will Compton
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: is not gonna run through his a gap on a
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: run blitz hard down nine than he would down eight.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: That he shouldn't be your mic backer.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: The reason I'm leavin is I right before he started
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: to go, uh, your feelings like, it's fair to feel
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: what you say, but they're not impactful. Before he started
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: to say that, a switch fliped in my mind to
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: where he's now talking to his wife. I'm thinking, I
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: wonder how this would go through. I'm yeah, yeah, there's
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: is not impacuation.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: I gotta drop that on tailing one day just to
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: see how it goes hit you boys, up, don't do it.
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• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Let's get back to the episode with Greg Olsen. Did
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: you do you get a chance to check out the
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Steelers and the Browns?
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: I didn't that game was going on right when my
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: game was gone lost in the.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Browns bro you know, need you don't really need to
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: know the game. But Miles Garrett obviously one sack away
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: from holding the record. From a solo standpoint after the game,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: he said, they were worried about keeping me away from
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers to uh, more worried about that than getting
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: to win. That's what That's why we came back to
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: bite them. Have you ever been in a situation where,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: like in your in your career where someone was chasing
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: a record and what the if there was a meeting
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: room about that, because it seemed like with the Steelers,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: and I think there was like conversations taking place like
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: if he beats you whatever, grab his face mask, do
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: not let him get it. And then in the game
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter they had multiple three and outs.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: But there are a few times that Miles Geartt's like
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: basically getting there, Aaron Rodgers like fuck this and just
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: dumps it off to the side like they were. They
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: seem very obvious they're more worried about Miles than they were, Hey,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: let's go try to win this game.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: You know. It kind of reminds me I don't know.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: Did you guys play high school basketball?
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: No, No, one year in eighth grade fourth So.
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: High school basketball, we you know, we were like an
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: average you know, we were fine, but we would go
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: play some of these teams that were real good and
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: they were just better than us. So this is what
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: kind of reminds me, like before the game, like you
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: and your buddies, you'd sit there and you'd be like,
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: we could lose by fifty. You cannot let anyone dunk.
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: Like we're follon guys, We're flipping them upside down, We're
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: sending them into the wall, intentional fouls, text, whatever it takes.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: Nobody dunks. That's kind of like what this reminds me of. Right,
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: you said we can concede the game, We're not gonna
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: give up. We're gonna throw the ball in the ground,
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: We're gonna spike it. Do not let Miles Garrett live
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: in infamy. That this that Aaron Rodgers is Brett Favre
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: right where he's the quarterback we see sacked, you know,
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: when Strahan breaks the record. So like that's where my
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: mind goes on all this. Whether that's real or not,
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I guess you'd have to ask Rogers
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: and those guys. But I don't blame them, Like I
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: didn't want teams to break records against us. You know,
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: those years that you were losing. If you played a
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: divisional rival or somebody that you could knock out of
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: the playoffs and you already out, You're like, well, if
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna be home, I'm gonna ruin their season. So
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: I just think that's kind of the NFL. I don't
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: know if anyone in the NFL wants to see in
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: their moment in their game, their team get like better
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: one upped. So if that was their mindset and they
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: didn't want him to break the record, then I have
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: no problems with it.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like I got there's there's part of me that
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: thinks and again I'm just assuming, but Aaron's playing is
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: like he's trying to play to win. But in the
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: back of Aaron's mind, he's like, this is not another
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: thing where I'm gonna follow suit. Yeah, far I'm not
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: gonna take over Brett Farva.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Oh you think you think history was in the back
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: of his mind.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: As a competitor, Like why wouldn't he think about that?
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, like all the things where
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: he's kind of like he's been the next Brett Fava
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Green Bay, like going and playing for different.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Teams, like the same different team.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: The same different team, like all of these things, and
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: just the relationship they seem to have had with everything
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: that's come out. I'm just sure, like as a competitor,
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: that that was one thousand percent probably in his mind
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: to some extent, you know what i mean, Like I'm
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: not gonna be I'm not taking over Brett Farm's clip
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: for like giving up the record seat.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so surprising to me. Like we had Dean
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Dawkins on last week. He was gonna he was playing
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: the Browns and in that game, it's like, hey, he's coming,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Like you don't make sure you're not the guy, and
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: it ends up not being the guy. Now the Steelers
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: game has happened. That was only one game left for
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: him to get this. I just keep picturing in my
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: head like it's the fourth quarter, there's a couple of
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: minutes left and who I don't know who the Brown's playing.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: I think it's the Bengals. So it's a game that
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: means nothing.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Game means nothing.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Everybody right now this week is planning for Hey, where
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: are we going in the office?
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Right And so does Joe Burrow. He'll probably get sacked
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: anyway based on the way his his his career is
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: gone and getting sacked. But does Joe Burrow bend the
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: knee and kind of give Miles Garrett one to take
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: home the all time record because Miles when he when
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: he was getting close, there's like three shot games and
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: it was like he had like twenty five tape to
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: his wrist. He's thinking beyond the sack record, like he's like,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna handle this no problem now. There's gotta be
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: a level of like I might never get here again.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: I might never get to the opportunity where I can
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: break the record. Panic is starting to set in, probably
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: on in his camp, like I've got to get this
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: fucking record now, and if I don't, like I'll probably
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: never sniff this again.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: And the Bengals like, even though you say Joe b
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: is he gonna be like, I don't think the division
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: rival to me. If you're the Bengals, You're there is
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: no goal for this game. The entire goal should be
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Miles Garrett is not getting this record on us.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: But Joe, Joey b has kind of got that. You
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: can see his press conferences with the Bengals. He's a adult,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: you know, he doesn't seem like he's happy. He's saying
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: very vague things. I could see Joe pulling a Aaron Rodgers,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: which not Aaron Rodgers. Brett far where Brett was like
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: it was kind of known that, Like Brett kind of
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: gave it to my action fell down, Yeah, play action
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: fell down. Let him have it? Like, can we see
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Joe Burrow be like, let me get this guy one
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: or two? You know, set the tone. Who's gonna set it?
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: I'll set it for the boy, cause this is true
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: history that we're looking at here. It's like, Yo, it's crazy.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: I like thinking that this game now has true meaning,
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: room meaning, because.
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: Dud it's a great game for males. Garrett to try
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: to break it right, because the offensive lines poured. You know,
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: historically the last couple of years they've been poor, and
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: they're gonna throw the ship out of the ball. Yeah, right,
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: So you're gonna get a ton of pass attempts. You're
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: gonna get a ton of passing downs if for whatever
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: reason they don't give up a sack to Miles Garrett.
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: Then we have to look back on the last couple
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: of years and be like, what how come you when
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: the game meant nothing? You guys protected the ship out
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: of Joe Burrow. Years you've seen him just get his
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: lock knocked off?
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: What's going on here?
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: Like all of a sudden, you guys needed this record
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: to like motivate yourselves that point.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Hey, but Greg, if you're if you're a tight end
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: on the Bengals, like what would be your goal going
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: into the game, Like are you Are you somebody that
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: would as a tight end? Be like, hey, coach, like Chip,
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: I'll fucking block all game. We're not letting Miles Garrett
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: get this sack.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: I mean I did my fair share of chips. I
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: had my fair share of that guy didn't see me
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: coming ear hole shot. I didn't love that, Like I
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: didn't love the idea of like ear holding a guy
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: who wasn't looking at me. I mean I did it.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: It wasn't something I got great pride out of. I
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: didn't feel like, oh, I'm a badass because I just
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: ear hold this guy who didn't see me. I want
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: to run down the field, like my life, my whole
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: career was like running down the field far Like I
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: watch a lot of these offenses now far like it's
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: naked flat, it's naked drag, it's naked over, And I'm
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: looking at myself like, oh my god, I would have
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: caught three thousand balls and these offenses like we were vertical,
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: we were going downfield. We were middle benders, we were
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: deep overs. We were twenty two inside numbers of the
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: hash and two yards inside the hash, Like I couldn't
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: afford to chip anyone unless you just ran a flat
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: or a check, And I had no interest in any
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: of that. Like I wanted downfield ball in the air,
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: air yards. That was just my game. So I would
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: had a hard time playing in an offense with a
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: whole game. I just edged and chipped. We did it,
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: but it was not something that I wanted to make
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: a living doing because it just really it cuts down
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: on the types of route you can run.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you you.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: I'm wondering if you're ready to just sacrifice running routes
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: that way.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: He's trying to hit eighty catches for everywhere.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, Like, are you aware it's record?
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, what about my incentive? About eighty catches. I know,
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: fifty grand Do we care about that?
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Greg?
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: If you spent if you spent your life worrying about
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: check chipping people and not moving the ball down the field,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: you're standing up to close your blinds when the sun's
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: in your face.
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: Correct hitting a button?
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Like that's a little bit better. Now it
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: is a lot better. Yeah.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: Here's what I will say though, And Taylor, you'll appreciate
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: this and every tackle I ever played with, Like even
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: when we got like new guys like Michael or came
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: and Khalil's brother Matt came, So we had a couple
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: like tackles join us in our run in Carolina and
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: they all love this. So pat on the back to me.
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: I I played ninety percent of the game in a
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: two point stance, but attached to the tackle. We had
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: kind of formed an eleven personnel like in passing situations.
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: But I would My rule was I never let the
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: defensive end ever line up outside of me. So I
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: was never gonna take my split my distance from you.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: If I was lined up on the left side and
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: I was trying to gauge my distance from you as
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: the left tackle, would I would say, I'm always going
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: to capture the defensive end. I didn't want to stand
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: so close to you. I'm three yards from two yards
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: from you, and then Miles Garrett's a wide nine technique
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: outside me. I go run my route and you sit.
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: Miles Garrett is like six yards from you, running at
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: your face.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's terrifying.
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: That's terrifying. But how often you see tight ends. They
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: come up, they set their feet, and then the defensive
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: end picks where he needs to go. I would come
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: real wide out of the huddle, wait for the defensive
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: end to pick his landmark on you, and then I
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: would reduce my split. And I'll never forget. I was
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: playing in Detroit one year. Kyle Van den.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Bosch, remember him, Oh yeah, Yeah.
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: He'd wear those lens, uh like contact lenses and ship
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: where like he didn't have a pupil. Like this guy
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: was a maniac. And I'm messing with him in my
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: split and I'm not letting him take these like wide
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: ghost nine splits on pass downs. And he's losing his
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: ship and he's trying to move and I just keep
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: moving with him, just trying to capture him on the tackle.
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: And he looks at me and he motherfucks me and
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: screams in my face about moving my split. I almost
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: shit my pants. He was like a demon. I was like, dude,
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: you're scariest shit and you'll probably kill me on the
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: next run play. But I am not going to let
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: you line up on our left tackle nine yards off
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: of his ankle.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: That is uh, well, that is big time and you
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: should have so you pat yourself on the back for that.
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: There was no the.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Left tackle needs to be saying did he send you
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: a Christmas gift this year?
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: Every year?
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Every year?
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: I love it, dude, I love it because we would
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: we would go through we would play like big time,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: big time guys like do uh Suggs or Miller or whoever,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: and I be like, hey, we're gonna chip. We would
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: go through indye periods of like, hey, these are how
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: the tackles like to get like to get chipped. And
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: there was nothing worse to me than when the tight
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: end would line up tight to me and then the
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: defensive end would line up in a wide nine on
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: the outside of him, and the chip would be, oh,
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: he beat me off the ball. Let me push him
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: in the back so he gets a more of a jumpstart,
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: and I literally I would just tell you, guys, I'm like, bro,
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: if I don't need you to do much, just get
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: in front of him for a second and bring him
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: to me. That's all I want you to do.
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: Bring him to You got to contain him. You gotta
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: capture him and push him.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: In, funnel him in. But when you are behind him
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: and you're pushing his ass so he gets farther up
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: the field, I'm in panic mode.
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: Now I'm in i have to get the hell out
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: of whatever situation I am. I don't know where I
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: am as if as far as pocket integrity or nothing,
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: And it's just it's absolute hell. It's the worst feeling
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: in the world.
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: When the tight end the lines outside of him, I
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: could chip him, Yeah, I could like crack him on
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: some sort of like pin and pull outside run play.
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: What I really liked about it that twice a game
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: that they asked me to pass protect, I liked being
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: on the outside and I would just power jump the
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: shit out of him outside in and I would just
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: earhole them, snatch them at the line of scrimmage. I
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: didn't want to set as a why I didn't want
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: to set as a nine technique myself. If you didn't
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: want to do it, I sure shit didn't want to
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: do it. It just made the light the game so
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: much easier when there was the tight end and the
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: tackle and the defensive end lined up in between them.
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: That's the idea. I just don't know why more people
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: don't do it.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't understand tight end's past setting one.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: It always always looks terrible. They don't know what they're doing.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: Put there exactly, get on them right away. I'll come
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: help you in a minute, because you know, it's like
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: play action. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go into the
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: big gap. I'm gonna check my linebacker, and the first
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: thing I'm doing is gonna check you. Just lose outside.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: I'll meet you between him and the quarterback.
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: Dude, I would. I mean, I'm sure it happened a
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: handful of times over the years. But like if I
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: got trapped on a pass set, we used to call
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: it Randy Louie, where like the tight end had the end,
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: the line would slide away and then the back was
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: like my help. But like if the backskuy came then
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: I was one on one. If I had that guy
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: outside of me, and I knew it was like a
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: traditional kickset wide punch. I was like, all right, man,
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: like this is gonna be a fucking battle. Yeah, But
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: if I had that guy inside, it didn't matter who
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: he was. If I knew I could block him down
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: from the outside and then just wrestle him even if
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: he knocked me back. He had to knock me back
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: from the line of scrimmage.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: I was fine, Yeah, that's diaslow death. Like you under
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: stand in the process, you understand, I love her all.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Talking about our fears, you blocking one on one, me
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: getting a wide nines ass pushed, you playing man coverage.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: It's all hell anytime of back motions out of the backfield,
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: we can't check, yeah to rat or replace with the
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: safety blitzing to where I could take the blitz and
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: he can go cover the bag. Yeah, I was in
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: a mental health.
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: Didn't have a segment where we each get to air
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: our like worst nightmare that we had to like hide
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: for twenty years when we played and these things suck.
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: We just had to be like, dude, I'm good at everything, right,
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: nothing I can't do, And now we have like a
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: free it's like a free get out of jail card.
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: You get like one segment of Monday where you can
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: admit all the shit you weren't good at and that
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: you were scared to death.
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: Of doing exactly due because it's so funny how that
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: the plays we're talking about probably happened two or three
• 54:22
  Speaker 5: times a game, but we would spend most of the
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: game thinking, when are these two or three times.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Most of the going to happen week? Most of the week,
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: what situation could this?
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, I feel good about this, this
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: and this, but if this comes up, I swear to God.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: And then you'd be like the second quarter being like,
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: when's it gonna happen? When you're in the middle, you
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: just finished the player, You're like, I hope it's not
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: this next play coming up.
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: You know, it's like a third down. You're like, it's
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: third and six. You're looking at the sideline. You're like,
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: don't call it, Yeah, don't, don't.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Don't on a route.
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: I'm doing good down the field.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: I would tell my coaches. I'd be like, hey, listen,
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: I don't care about like a lot of chips. I
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: just need one early in the game. I need one
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: like legit chip them early in the game that way
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: he's thinking about it. Anytime the tight end would come
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: in and then give me one around the third quarter,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: give me two, and I'm happy because it makes him think.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: And that's all I need is for them just to
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: think a little bit. Then I'll be all right.
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: But it was a terrifying my career. At the end
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: of my career, when you know you're old and you
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: just say whatever the fuck you want to say and
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: you don't care anymore. Yeah, we would be in like
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: install meeting on third down and if there was like
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: more than one play where the tight end had to
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: stay in. And remember, like back early in our careers,
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: we used to call it like Mustang protection, where like
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: the tight end and the running back would stand next
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: to the quarterback and it was like full seven man
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: protection and anyway like that, or when you had to
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: block the d end, if they had more than like
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: one or two of those, it'd be like, hey, anybody
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: have any questions. I'm like, I got a question and
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: be like, all right, what elson I'd be like, so
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: this twenty five million dollar an end that all that
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: week I've heard we got a chip and we got
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: to engin. We got to give body presents to our
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: fifteen million dollar tackles. I'm gonna block him on third
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: and eight by myself while they all slide to nobody.
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: I just want to make sure I have the protection
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: understood correctly, because for the last four days I've been
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: beat down my face about chip Edge, don't get wide
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: with your split running backs, give body presents. But now
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: on third and eight, it's like, don't worry. Olsen's got
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: von Miller and everyone else. You just go slide and
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: just do this whole slide thing where nobody touches anyone.
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: That's what we're gonna call on third and eight, you know,
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: And everyone would laugh, But I was like, I'm not
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: even joking.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: Is so stupid, right, right, You're not joking? Yes, I
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: feel you there, like when I would have to eventually
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: soil the DN because they wouldn't want to bam in
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: the red zone and I'll just back so just again,
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: just we want to get this clear what we're worried
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: about in the red zone inside, let's say the fifteen
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: we're worried about this choice route from darren Sprolls. You're
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: telling me I can't BAM when I know this option
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: route's coming because he's gonna be in an obvious chowel alignment.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: I can't bam the end. You want me to cover
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: him one on one. I just want to be clear
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: because I've asked if I could BAM all week and
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: nobody's really told me anything.
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: What the fuck does BAM mean?
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: Bam is when the end will come out and hit
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: or bam running like yeah, yeah, yeah, he'll push it
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: so defensively ship. Yeah, the def yeah, basically a defense ship.
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: I hadn't heard that.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: So that way the running back once they get hit,
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: they have to just get in their route asat versus.
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: Coming free release on one in space. And then when
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: he scores, you'll get coached up about where your alignment
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: was and where your leverage was, and well.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: You got to close the distance, stay inside out. You
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: gotta get your hands on him. At some point. It's
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: Darren fucking Sprolls. Yeah, but the ends will get mad
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: because the ends you got to take them out of
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: their pass rush because like you want me to bam
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: Sprolls when you expect to cover I'm like, it's Darren Sprolls.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: I would love if I could just get a little
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: some kind of chip on this man before we run.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: They're highly targeted their favorite route, which is a choice
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: route in the red zone. Yeah.
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: Meanwhile, the offensive quality control guys stood up there on
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: Wednesday on out team and said, hey, guys, darren Sprolls,
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: we got us. I could have told you it was
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: a touchdown four days exactly.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: Well, I just imagine Will and the defensive man coming
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: up to Will and be like, Yo, what do you
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: making me? Bamed, He's like, justin, I'd rather not be
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: in that play. I'd rather not be in.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately I'm in, so I need you to trim Murphy.
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: I'd rather get a fucking calf cramp and come out
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: of the game. I'm not thrilled about it either.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh dude, Yeah, that's that's I'm glad
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: we got to work through that.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: We got a playoff game with your Carolina Panthers Tampa
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: Bay Buccaneers. Wow, that's a game that means something winning
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: in Both of you guys lost over the weekend. I
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: do like the Panthers this week. Like, if I'm leaning
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: on anything, it's gonna be the defense of the Panthers.
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a winning in there is this like weird
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: not a weird scenario, but there is this like far
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: fetched scenario that if somehow the Falcons beat the Rams tonight,
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: then even if Tampa eats Carolina next week, if the
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: Falcons also win and they played New Orleans, that it
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: would be a three way tie. And then Carolina even
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: if they lost, they would be an eight to nine winner.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: So they'd still get in.
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: So they'd still get in. So that's that's assumed that
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: the Falcon that the Falcons don't beat the Rams tonight,
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: and yeah.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: To win.
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: And in the way, Carolina is very weird, like one
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: week good, one week off. They've kind of won, lost
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: one loss. They kind of bounce back and forth weekly
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: over the last like eight weeks. Tampa Bay is really struggling.
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: They just cannot find their way this back half the
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: season after starting so strong, may have just not been
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: nearly as effective, not nearly as efficient, especially on offense.
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, I'd like to see Carolina make
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: the playoffs. I think that'd be really cool. We haven't
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: been since twenty seventeen, so it's been a while, so
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: I think it's fascinating that after all this it's gonna
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: come down to one game Week eighteen, most likely winner
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: take all. But yeah, I think Carolina's got a great shot.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: They seem to bounce back, they seem to lose after
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: they win, and win after they lose. So from a
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: pattern standpoint, Week eighteen looks good.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love I love the pattern talk. My kids
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: are all about patterns right now. I think you're right.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: Like the run game of the Panthers, I think Bryce
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: has actually looked better this year. He said, he makes
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: some really good throws and it's like the inconsistency. But
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: at the same time, you look at Tampa Bay and
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: just riddled with injuries. Something's wrong with Baker. It feels
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: like he looks like a guy that's just like willing
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: himself to play every single week when he needs to
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: be on a stretcher or getting some rehab. So yeah,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: I like the Panthers as well. I like the Panders.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: I think it doesn't really matter. I think both whichever
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: team goes in the playoffs, it's a very short playoff run,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: but making the playoffs still says a lot about your franchise.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you get into the get in the dance. Yeah,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: you get the dance.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: Anything can happen.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: How do you see the uh, how do you see
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: the one seed sticking out? Because I want to get
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: to where we're talking who we think can make the
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: run to the Super Bowl Big games. Next week you'll
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: have what Seattle and the Niners, which you'll have which
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: has massive implace. Yeah.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: The winner of that game has the one seedon. Yeah,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: which is wild.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: In the shadows all you're winning and taking care of this. Yeah,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: what you cut?
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: You gotta love that about them, man. Yeah, like Shanahan incredible? Well,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: who who you got in that game?
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: I think Shanahan. I said this yesterday in our game
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: we had Indianapolis and Jacksonville and we were talking about
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: the job Liam Cohen's done. And you know, they got
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: one pro bowler and it's the long snapper, and what
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: a job he's done. They won their twelve game and
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: all that, and I made the comment that it's probably
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: the most packed coach of the year, you know, candidacy pool,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: candidate pool in years. I mean you start talking about
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: like the one year turnarounds, Ben Johnson, Vrabel and and
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: Liam Cohen, then you start talking about the job Mike
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: McDonald's done in his second year in Seattle, getting that
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: right back on track. Are really the best team in
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: the league, you know, give or take. And then and
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: then with Shanahan, you know, a guy that we've seen
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: playing Super Bowl is a guy that's name has been
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: in the mix of, you know, one of the top
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: coaches in the league for a long time. So maybe
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: we don't appreciate because we just assume the forty nine
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: ers should always be good. But I mean, you look
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: at what that team has gone through, right They lost
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: Brock Purdy for stretches of game, They lose Fred Warner done,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: Bosa done, Miss Kittle. I want to say last night
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: was Kittle's like fourth or fifth missed game they've played
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: without Chunks, you know, Ayuk just disappeared off the face
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: of the earth. Like they have had some really interesting
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: roster situations, and now here they are in a week eighteen,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: win and not only win your division, but get the
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: first round by as the one seed and play and
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: have home field advantage through the Super Bowl potentially. So
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: Shanahan's in that mix. I think it's remarkable that game
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: last night was incredible score and forty plus. I just
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: I worry defensively in the playoffs. We've talked about that
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: on here a lot. I think defense matters a lot
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: more come postseason than it does in the regular season.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: The teams that make the playoff are disproportionately offensively driven.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: There's a few anomalies, you know, Texans. In the past,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: there's been some teams that have been road on their defense,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: but it's mostly good teams that can score points. So
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: now it's like, Okay, who can actually stop somebody who
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: can actually play competent defense, run game. Some of the
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: things that don't have as big of an impact over
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: the course of a long season do matter in a
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: one and done scenario in the playoffs. So I'd still
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: go with Seattle because I think Seattle's defense is as good,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: if not better than any I think offensively, they're still
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: hit or miss, They're still not exactly sure. They got
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: to get that pass game back to what it was.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: But San Francisco's offense is probably the best offense of
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: the last three or four weeks in the league. The
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: defense scares me.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I brought Pertty has been playing girl. The zero
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: pass rushed by the defense right now. On Fando Sportsbook,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan is plus one thirty. He's the favorite right now.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: He's the favorite.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: He's the favor for Coach of the year fall by pipe.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: So you would have to bet one thirty to win
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: one hundred.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: No, if you bet one hundred, win one hundred and thirty.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so he gets plus odds. These are futures,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: that's usually they're always gonna sit in the plus. So
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: Shanahan's plus one thirty. Mike Vrabels next at one forty,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: plus one forty, then as a big drop off of
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: Mike McDonald at plus five hundred, and then Liam colem
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: Is at fifteen hundred from there, which I thought Liam
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: would be a little higher than that.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: It's dude, it's honestly just because of the market that
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: they're in, Like it's the Jacksonville Jaguars, Like nobody Rames won.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: Coach of the Year in twenty one or something like
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: that with the with the Titans in there.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, probably Verah one coach of the year's Ran Rivera
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: one Coach of the Year twice with us, and yeah,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: we're small market.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: It's interesting. I mean, Liam com dude, it.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: Is jating odds.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: Let me ask you this because again I'm not overly
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: familiar with how the whole thing works, So like is
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: there an element to that where name recognition. So for
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: these odds makers, the Shanahans of the world are gonna
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: just get more bets placed on them because there's more
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: name recognition as opposed to Liam Cohen. So by they
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: got to reduce the odds of a guy like Shanahan
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: because he's gonna get so much action. Is that part
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: of it?
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like I want to say, Vegas, they just
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: they just they understand the pulse of what's going to
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: happen or what's going on at this current moment. So
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: for example, like the moment Fernando Mendoza, so it was
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: very close between Diego Pavia and Fernando Mendoza. And this
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: is just one example of like a futures bet. They
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: were both neck and neck going.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: Into Diego was a favorite over that's right, do.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Diego was a favorite over Mendoza. And the talk
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: that week was if for Nanda Mendoza has a good
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: game against Ohio State, like a good quarterback, got stats,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: got touchdowns, all this stuff, like Fernana Mendoza could edge
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: out and could beat Diego Pavia. Well for Nanda Mendoz
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: only through what one touchdown? Yeah yeah, big there down
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: in the game, but nothing. That's like he should have
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: ran away with this. But the moment that game ended,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: Banana Mendoza became minus three thousand in the sportsbook to
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: win the Heisman. So it's like they ultimately knew who
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: was gonna win a Heisman immediately after that game concluded.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah you know what I mean to where you could argue,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: you could talk about the Diego all you wanted, but
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: he wasn't even close once that game ended. As far
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: as the sports the sports book and the markets and
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: the betting odds and everything else. So what Fando's saying
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: this is Shanahan's become a real favorite. They don't know
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: who's gonna win out of Rabel and Shanahan. That's why
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: they're only ten off. Who was third on the list.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: Mike McDonald, but he was plus five hundred.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: Mike McDonald plus five hundred and then Liam Cohen at
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: plus fifteen hundred. Is just in the world of us
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: arguing or debating about it, it seems bizarre because Liam
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: Cohen has just as good of a resume, if not
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: better than everybody else, Like I know, there's a lot
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: of great candidate's, Like even Ben Johnson, he wasn't even
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: in the top four. He's probably sitting it. He's probably
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: sitting at fifth in the odds. And I get that
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: they just lost in Shanahan that kind of edges him
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: out there. But as far as how close the race
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: could be, it seems like it's gonna come down to
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: Rabel or Shanahan. If Shanahan wins this next week against
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: getting the one seed over Seattle, it seems like Shanahan's
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: gonna get it. If the Niners lose and Vrabel they beat,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: who do they play? The Dolphins?
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: Yes, I have that game, Patriots Dolphins.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Patriots Dolphins. If Patriots win and Niners lose,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: like Vable, it seems like he's going to be the
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: likely one to win Coach of the Year. That's how
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: the odds, that's how the markets kind of have it
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: set up.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: The next two after that was Ben Jonson at plus
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: two thousand and then Sean Payton at plus six thousand.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so right now to two man race. It's
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: two man race.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: I think they're taking into account all the momentum that
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: Jacksonville has though, yeah, won games in a row.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: Dude, I'm with you that that.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know that.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: I know you're joking. But to me, that's why it's
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: also so bizarre because what Cohen, Trevor Lawrence, he's been
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: playing really well, like what Jacksonville has done this year,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: compared to what they go last year four and thirteen. Yeah, yep,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: four and thirteen to where they're now now they're only
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: a four lost team. What they've done, it seems wild
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: that it's the gap is so far with Liam Cohen
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: being in this coach.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: On their whole roster.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's crazy you brought up as a long
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: snapper because I know the Patriots had three or four
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: Pro Bowlers. I mean, Drake May was one of the quarterback. Yeah,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: one of us who is a serious the MVP of
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: the league, arguably MVP, but he was at an MVP
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: caliber quarterback at the beginning of the year. In August September,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: the conversation revolving around Drake May was one more year
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: and he's going to be a guy in this league.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, after they started with
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: a one to two early in the year, it became like, oh,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: Drake may is the guy, which would tell you that
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of coaching took place. Guys if you look
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: at their roster and I'm not very familiar with Jaguars roster,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: but the Patriots roster isn't a roster. It's like Ravens, Eagles,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: like even the Bengals, like they're not a roster that
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: you're like you can really hang on, be like, this
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: is a contending team, yet I think who the Broncos play,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: because if the Broncos lose and they.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: Win, Broncos played the Chargers.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: So Broncos loose, are the Chargers and the Patriots beat Miami,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: they have the one seed, right, So that's who you
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: look at to be like, oh, I can see why
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: Vrabel should be it should be a coach of the
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: Year guy. I think Liam Comb should be in that
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: one fifty one sixty range. If he's a third, put
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: him at plus one sixty because those guys do have
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: a hell of a resume to say I should be
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: coach of the year. Those three especially, I would throw
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: Ben Johnson in there as well. It's incredible, what I mean.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: Caleb Williams is a similar conversation too, Like this year,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: it's like he's all these bad habits, they're kind of
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: masking him and stuff like that, but the kid is
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: just he truly has gotten better every single week. So
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be awesome to see.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: And then again, I'm not taking anything away from very books,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: I think sure, yeah, I do think there is an
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: element also for some of those guys where they're calling
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: the plays, they're coaching the quarterback, they're like, and again
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying Rabel's not doing a ton because he
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 4: obviously has won in multiple spots. Again, I'm not making
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 4: this an anti Vrabel thing at all, but like last night,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: when you're watching San Francisco fight that game out, you're
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: watching Ben Johnson and Kyle Shanahan duel it out where
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: the only reason San Francisco won is they scored forty
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: plus games, forty plus points in regulation. Yeah, it is impressive,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: Like that was too high level coaches who are also
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 4: calling the plays, who are also coaching the quarterback, who
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 4: are also like, that's there's a that's a big, huge impact.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's why those coaches are the ones everybody's
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: trying to go find the advantage New England's going to have.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: And this is the brilliant I give a lot of
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 4: credit to Vrabel for how he did this is if
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: you're not going to call the offensive plays as a
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: head coach, the next best option is to hire a
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 4: formally fired offensive head coach that likely is not going
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: to be stolen away from you anytime soon. Like, I
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 4: don't know if Josh for as good of a job
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: as Josh McDaniels has done with Drake May. You don't
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: ever hear his name as the next head coach. You
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 4: hear Clint Kubiak, and you hear all these because we've
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: seen Josh daniels be a head coach and now maybe
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: in his next time he would do a great job.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: Who knows, But like, there's an advantage to hire former
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: fired head coaches as your coordinator on the other side
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: of the ball, because you're not fearful you're going to
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: lose them. Yeah, so that's the next best scenario if
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: that play caller is your head coach. Ala Shanahan, McVeigh,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: Ben Johnson, et cetera. So it's a good setup what
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: New England has.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: The Shanahan things so interesting to me because it reminds
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: me of like what I'm assuming it was like for
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: when people were watching Michael Jordan or Peyton Manning, Tom Brady,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: like these great consistent players that were so amazing Lebron
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: James as well, where it's like they're doing incredible things,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: but eventually the public's like, Okay, he does incredible things,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: and you kind of like take away from how how
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: successful they've been and it's like, oh, that's just them,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: so you don't hold the weight of them being successful
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: as much as you would. Rabel who comes in the
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: first year at the Patriots, Ben Johnson, it's like, oh,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan, Yeah he's good, he's had a great year,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: a lot of injuries, but people aren't really realizing what
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: he's done for the franchise, right.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: I think they're solely starting to come about it now
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: now him be becoming the favorite. It's almost like yeah,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: if they win, like he'll get it, yeah and.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: He should vote.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 6: It.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: Remind me when this like when do all these.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: Awards, so the playoffs they say, do not get but
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: I think the voting ends after the divisional round. You
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: might be right, it's sometime in the playoffs before the
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl, that the vote happens, PA playoffs can become
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: a massive fact, a massive factor.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be I'm excited to see what the Patriots
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: do in the playoffs because again, if you go by
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: strength of schedule, they have the statistically the worst strength
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: of schedule. Who's this the Patriots.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be interesting to see them in the playoffs
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: as well.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: I have them for the first time this week, so
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: I'm actually is to dive in, Drake study watch them
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: because I've only seen them from afar. I've seen highlights,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: I've watched clips, but I haven't actually spent any time
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: watching them. So I got them Miami. I got Patriots
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: Miami in Foxborough this weekend. So I'm actually curious if
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: my opinions of them change better or worse at the
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: end of the week than where I am now before.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: I haven't really had a chance to dive in yet.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: I think they'll I think they'll come out better. Like
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: Drake May is such a baller. Everybody knows what Drake
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: May's been doing, but just offensively, the vibe and feel
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: like again we've played for these Vabel teams, like when
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: they have when the culture is hitting whenever. When all
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: the vibes are going in, they're winning football games. Like
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: you just see the geil going on in New England.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: Their defense is salty. I think you'll have a lot
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: of fun, like diving into the weeds of the Patriots.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: The buy ins incredible.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: I think they can where it stays for me right now,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: like before Week eighteen happens, because Week eighteen obviously has
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: a lot of implications. But let's say everybody handles their
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: business and are slotted where they are currently slotted. Me,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: I see the Super Bowl being uh, Seattle in New
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: England is what I would call. I would love that
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl Seattle in New New England.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: I would absolutely love it. Let's talk, I mean, we
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: know what we gotta get you out of here. Let's
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: talk playoffs real quick. If I said to you Denver Broncos,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: New England, Patriots, Jacksonville, Jaguars, Houston Texans, Los Angeles Chargers,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills, and I left out Steelers and Ravens there
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: because we'll find that out next week. Of those teams
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: are just named, who you got who you think has
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: got the best? Because I feel like people are really
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: on the NFC. But the AFC, dude, like, I have
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: no idea whos going to come out of that.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: I really don't. I mean, I think we've been saying
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: this every Monday morning for the last two months. Like
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: the AFC, I could make a really strong argument for
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: every single one of those teams why they could win
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: the whole thing and why they couldn't. I'll tell you
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: who I think is sneaky. And I'm not saying this
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 4: is my number one, but I well, I might be.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 4: I think the Houston Texans are a sneaky postseason team
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 4: because defense is so now is so much more important.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: I've said this a thousand times, but like defenses can
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 4: carry you a lot more in the postseason than the
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 4: can regular season. They got off to a fast start
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 4: those explosive plays on Saturday Night against against the Chargers,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: Like that's what they need to be get stroud, pushing
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: the ball downfield, hard play action stuff thrown over the
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: top of your head. So I think they're just good
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: enough on offense to be just like middle of the road,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 4: hang in there, make the players that are there, and
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 4: I think they can be dominant, like suffocatingly dominant on
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: defense and we've seen, We've seen that formula work. Now
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: I can make an argument for the Patriots. I do
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: think at some point in the playoffs, like overall, roster
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: does start matter, like when you start looking at like
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: premier players, star players. I'm not sure where Jacksonville and
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: New England are quite yet. You know, they're very early
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: in this rebuild quote unquote, So I do think they
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: have some work to do there of just getting prominent
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: players at impactful positions. But I think that AFC man
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 4: is just so up in the air. I think LA
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: and Seattle are the two clear cut over a long
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: period of time. I think they're the two best teams.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: Know whether they win or lose, who knows, but I
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: think they're the two best teams in the NFC with
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: and then you know, we can debate the rest. But AFC,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: I think it goes like five or six teams deep.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and once tam he didn't even mention with the
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: Broncos into the one seed. Yeah, but that'll to me
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: that that whole team is what does bow Knicks do?
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: So the way this would work out currently where it's his,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: because we don't know what's gonna happen with the AFC North.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: We don't know what's gonna happen with the NFC South,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: but where the bracket sits right now is Houston would
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: play Pittsburgh. Houston's gonna play whoever comes out of the North,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: and then Houston would have to go to Denver. I
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: think Houston matches up really well against Ever because that
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: defense would be would be nasty, that's and that would
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: be a big time showdown. Yeah, that'd be a big
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: time showdown in Denver. Houston versus Denver. Where I would
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: lean is Houston because I agree with you Greg on
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: that that team just being like a sneaky dominant team
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: because their defense is so nasty and violent, and they
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: got the guys that can rush the passer, they have
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: the secondary, they got backers who can fly around the
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: football field. And then coming out on the bottom side,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: it would be you'd have Jacksonville in the Chargers facing off.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: I would I would take Jacksonville in that game. You
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: got Buffalo the Patriots. I would be taking the Patriots,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: and then I think Jacksonville coming to New England, that's
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: where New England wins, and then you would have whoever
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: the winner is out of out of Denver in Houston,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: which who knows, who knows who's gonna win that game.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: I just dude, it's gonna be hard for me to
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: bet against Drake bet against Drake May, and just the
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: focus of that that everybody's gonna be focused. But again
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: being in those being in those positions, like with Rabel,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: just knowing how he talks about the game and everything else.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: To me, it be hard to get off what Drake
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: Ma can do.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: And the run to the run game's coming alive. Drake
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: May's in the best deep ball since what Russell Wilson
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: in the second year when they won the Super Bowl. Like,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: that's kind of what it's.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: In New England being in a spot too to where
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: if they if they were to take down the Chargers
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: or Jacksonville in Foxborough, they'll be set up to where
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: if it's Houston coming out of it, they'll have to
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: get through Denver, like that'll be a very physical game.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: Who the winner who comes out of that to where
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: New England will be just positioned well, especially if Houston wins,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: they'll be hosting that AFC champions That's what that's what you.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: Want, that's what you want. The only thing I disagree
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: with is I kind of lean Denver over here Houston
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: because that's gonna be an awesome That's gonna be awesome game.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: But I just think, I mean, their offensive lines give
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: up the least amount of SAX season. Yeah, and that's
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: where it's like best on best, let's see what we
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: got here. But if you can slow those guys down
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: even a little bit, that you put yourself in a
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: more advantageous situation.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 4: I think how many games in a row has Houston won,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: like seven, eight, seven or.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: Eight eight games in a row I believe.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 4: And Jacksonville's won yesterday was their sixth in a row.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: Seven here we go again. Six. Yeah, it's one of those,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: one of those.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: So again I ask which team enters the playoffs with
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 4: the most juice and the most momentum and the most
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: energy and feeling the best. They haven't lost in months.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: But if you talk about New England too, like they've
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: really only had one bad half of football came back. Yes, yeah,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: they lost the momentum, that's the momentum.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: Well, the halftime always, halftime always resets, momentum resets.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 4: We haven't even talked about Themnium checklist, so I know
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 4: like when it stops, starts, when it ends, when it resets.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll send you those lists.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: Is a point system as well as far as like
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: three and outs touchdowns.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: You're always gonna hear about momentum from me after the
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: result happens.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, which is which is smart, Which is smart because
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: you know, I would imagine that the team going in
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 4: the Texans. So the Texans play the Chargers this weekend.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, so let's just they just played.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: Broncos, played the charge them.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: Sorry, they played the.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: Jacksonville plays Oh, jackson Titans. Jacksonville plays the Titans, sneaky.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: The Texans play, Texans play the Colts.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 4: Okay, so we don't know what's going to go on
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: with the Colts. Does Philip Rivers play? Do they start
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 4: Riley Leonard? Who knows? The Colts have lost all their momentum,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 4: all of it, all of it.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: People are saying it's Sauce Gardner's fault, That's what people
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: are saying.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 4: They and he's one in seven, one and seven. That's
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: a tough season.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So let's just say Houston keeps all their momentum
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 4: and gets there like ninth win in a row. Tell
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: me when their momentum ends if they lose in.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: The playoffs when the clock at zero, got it.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when they lose in the playoffs.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: That makes sense.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 4: So they have all the momentum until they lose. It.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: Is that fair?
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Correct?
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: I think there's something to be said about winning a
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: lot of like winning your last six or seven games.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: Damn it, I didn't mean to do that. They're winning
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: those last games and rolling in the playoffs with momentum.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: That is a thing.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: I heard you say they were going to lose.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying it's going to be a battle in Denver.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: I like the way Houston matches up against Denver and
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: then coming out of that game, the road that the
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: streak that they've been on. Houston Texas are the team
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: where you labeled you don't want to play them in
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: the playoffs like they are that team. I just in
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: my brain, if I'm trying to predict everything right now,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: before we get in a week eighteen where the bracket
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: sits like they would just then after going out to Denver,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: they would then have to go to Foxborough and winning
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: the AFC Championship against a quarterback like Drake May. So
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: that's where I would see they have all the momentum.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: Two teams got all the momentum, right, somebody's gotta lose
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: the momentum.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 4: Both wait time out, time out. This is gonna be
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: we both can have momentum at the same time.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, dude, momentum is a fickle thing.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: This is crazy, all of this.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: And then if Seattle wins against the Niners, I think
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be hard for Seattle to lose at home
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: at all in the playoffs. So they have a ton
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: of momentum too, a ton of momentum. But if they
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: lose to the Niners, they lose a lot of momentum.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: Now they become like a wild card team. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: that would be crazy if they lost it. But like
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: I guess, when did they lose? It would be a
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: fun thing to dive into, Like right, just depends. That's
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: why you played the game. That's why you play the game.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: I'm fascinated by it. I think it's super interesting to
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 4: look at it that way, and I'm gonna lean more
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: into it, I think on my broadcasts.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he has got to be the team that has
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: too much momentum, and you have.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 4: Too much that you actually like overdose. Oh, yeah the
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 4: other way.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah that yep, that's called getting cocky.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: It's called getting hit in the mount Yeah yeah, it's
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: called getting cocky.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 4: So we have different names, like up the threshold.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there is.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: There is definitely a sweet spot of momentum. There's a
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: sweet spot you gotta have.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: Does everyone have a different sweet spot? Oh?
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: Absolutely Yeah. That's all based on the head coach.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: Got it?
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: Yep, so that guy like Rabel?
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 4: Now can that head coach? Losers? Like? So when did Yeah?
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: So Vrabel had no momentum last year, got fired, couldn't
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: win it, but then he got when did he get
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 4: it back?
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: He went, he had to go, He had to go,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: He had to go live in the darkness, he had
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: to go sit with Yep, got it and then he
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: came back out of the shadows.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: That's the thing about Raves man, he can hold so
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: much momentum. When you get too much momentum.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: You gotta truly reset. That's why he had to go
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: to Cleveland for a year. Yeah, Rabel's got the juice
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: right now too. He just randomly shot Taylor and I
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: had text Merry Christmas, Yeah, Merry Christmas, love dad.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I looked at I just smile, and so my
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: wife she goes, he really, he really does treat you
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: like that all the time. Well, yeah, this is this
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: is my life with grapes.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 4: This might be my favorite five minute segment.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but dude, yeah, I think I.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 4: Just find it fascinating. And and Twitter. Twitter really has
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 4: been educating me a lot on like all of my
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: shortcomings and my football takes because I don't put enough
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: stock into and again I would I would give it
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: more credibility if someone could tell me when it stops
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: and starts.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, listen, what game do you cover this week?
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 4: Patriots?
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: So tons of momentum, tons of momentum.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 4: I'll watched that Dolphins. Dolphins had no momentum, fired their GM,
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 4: got momentum back, lost the moment menim benched to a
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 4: next game. No momentum, Queen yours are yeah, quin yours?
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: No momentum. Last week beat Tampa who was playing for
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 4: the division, got their momentum back yep. And now they
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: go to Patriots. So two teams with really interesting momentum.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: No, what he doesn't know, he doesn't know about backup
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: quarterback momentum or interim head coach met him.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: But Quinn did lose the first time he went out there.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 4: Well, they got They just had to. They had to.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: They just had to puol Quinn aside and say, hey, man,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: don't don't, don't put so much pressure on yourself. Just
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: go find some juice. Yeah, yeah, go crank it this week.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: Don't take this game so seriously, go out there and
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: sling it. Yep.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: The Dolphins got momentum back when the report came out
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 4: that the coach wasn't going to get fired. Do you
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 4: think that built their momentum.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure a lot of guys got some juice
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: from that. I'll tell you what, Greg, I'll watch the
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: game with you on s Yeah, and I'll also text you.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: Just make sure you just check your phone so I
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: can just be like, hey, it's time, it's time to
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: talk momentum.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: Can we get on a group chat and we can
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: talk momentum tonight through the game, the Monday night game.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yes, we got you, Yeah, we got you. We'll
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: let you know when.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: Calls between your commercial breaks, and we'll let you know
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: exactly where it's at.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: Hey, guys, all right, welcome back here to snowy Foxborough
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: jel At Stadium. Fourteen to seven. Hey guys, Joe, I
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 4: just need to jump in. I just heard from the
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 4: Busting boys. This momentum has completely flipped. There was no
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 4: juice in the building. And now after that last three
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 4: and out, New England has all the momentum.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: Here's what Fox needs to do is they need to
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: have meters, yeah, meters and momentum of just like little
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: like thermostats, and you just slowly they gain, they lose traction,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: and we can come up with a whole point system
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: of momentum.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 4: How many times a game, in an average game like
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: last night, how many times do you think momentum flipped
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 4: in that game?
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: Great question. Early in the game, momentum was stagnant because
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: both teams were scoring back to back.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 4: Like you think the first play the game, pick six?
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 4: Who had all the momentum?
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: Niners, n oh yeah, my fault Bears. Yeah.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 4: I was like, wow, you just really that that wash
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 4: That was about something where threw the pick and then
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 4: convinced himself that was the best thing for him. I
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: thought maybe you had, like, now.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: Hold on, there's something to that, Like what's your quarterback's
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: biggest fear throwing a pick six?
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: Your worst fear happens right away. You can't be affected. Now,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: that's when you start to get the momentum. Well, yeah,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: live next to fear, Yeah, next to it.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: Okay, So he threw the pick six Chicago on the
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 4: road all the momentum. Yeah, that's a defense that thrives
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 4: off Takeaway's best takeaway team in the league, Dennis Allen.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 4: So they get it first play the game, pick six,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: and then they proceeded to give up forty two. Right.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot of things that happened. So momentum
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: can be can be held in the hand, but it
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: can't be owned just off of one plan. It's all
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: about what happens in the next series. And I love
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: that we're thinking this right now.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, got a little stagnant. Realize, Hey, our momentum
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: isn't going to be defensively. The team is going to
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: be offensively. Get the gun. We're in a shootout.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And Greg, can I ask you a question, please?
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: What when did you stop believing a momentum?
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 4: Because I'm leaning into this as a joke.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: No, no, no no, but you also you're a momentum gy,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: Greg's anti momentum, your anti momentum.
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  Speaker 4: What was it?
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: What was it?
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: What was the phrase?
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: Your emotions?
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: Emotions, however, they're not valid, they're not impactful.
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  Speaker 4: Let me be very clear. I'm going to give you
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 4: my my official stance on all this, because right now
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 4: I'm like over I'm I'm having We're having fun with
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: the conversation.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: We're having fun.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 4: There is no question in my playing career that there
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: were games I went into the game feeling better, worse,
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 4: more confident, less confident, liked the game plan, didn't like
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 4: the game plan, felt great about where my hands were,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: like I felt like I could really catch. And there
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 4: were other games where I was like, I don't know,
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 4: like there's something about this catch here that I just
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 4: it's not hitting me right, and I'm really overthinking it.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: And I experienced all of those ranges of emotions, and
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: all I'm saying is it had zero in output, had
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 4: zero difference in the outcome of the game. Games where
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: I went in and I'm like, I'm gonna catch a hundred.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 4: I'm feeling good. I just had back to back hundred
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: yard games. I'm feeling really good. I'd have two catches
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 4: for seventeen yards and I had two drops. We lost.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 4: I dropped the last third down. I probably should have
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 4: caught it. I had I was the goat, the bad
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 4: goat all week long. Olsen blew the game, and that
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: next game you go in, You're like, shit, I hope
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 4: I get an early pass. I hope I get my
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 4: shit going and you get one fifty Like I don't know, Like.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: You get your momentum back there, you got it back.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: I guess my momentum came and went, is my point. So, like,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: do I think do I think this is an emotional game? Absolutely?
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: Do I think teams and coaches should coach emotion I
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: mean shit, you guys have seen my videos of coaching
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 4: the kids, Like I am a passionate, competitive, emotional person,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 4: Like that's my personality, and I think football is played
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 4: with emotion and football is played with energy. I'm not
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 4: debating any of that is not a factor it is.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying, when it comes to decision making and
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 4: trends and what we should do on the field, from
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 4: a decision making standpoint, I think we just put so
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 4: much credibility into emotion and momentum and it's really just
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 4: a replacement of we don't really know why we're seeing
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 4: what we're seeing, so we've just made up this non
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 4: measurable you can't quantify it. It's the only explanation why
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 4: a team could go touchdown, touchdown, pick six, fumble, touchdown, touchdown,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 4: miss the two point conversion, get the on side kick,
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 4: like it's the only thing that explains the highs and
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 4: lows of sport, and we don't know what else to
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 4: call it.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: Momentum.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 4: That's what I think odd.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: So so he didn't answer the question he's look, Greg's
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: going to become a moment I.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: Didn't answer the question.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: I want to know when you stop believing momentum.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 4: I think I I think I'm not going to say
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 4: stopped believing. It's like saying I don't believe in Santa.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: I still believe in there's a magic, the idea.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: He doesn't a polar express, he doesn't hear the bell anymore. Yep,
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: he doesn't believe in the momentum good recent doesn't believe
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: in those.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 4: Spirit I started re evaluating trends in football probably after
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 4: I was done, and I've gotten into this world now
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 4: where I have to now get in front of millions
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 4: of people every Sunday, nice and I have to based
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 4: on an hour of conversations with these coaches, which are
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 4: hiring degrees of information that they provide, and I have
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 4: to be able to get up there and figure out, Okay,
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 4: how do I best present this game to an audience
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 4: that might be diehard fans and this might be the
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 4: first time they've ever watched either one of these teams, Right,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 4: So you've got to split that baby and talk to
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 4: the diehards. But you also can't assume everybody knows what
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 4: they know, because they might just put the TV on
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 4: this weekend for the first time to watch Drake May.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 4: So we need to introduce Drake May and Mike Vrabel
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 4: and all these guys to the world every single week.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 4: But we have to do that where I'm not in
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 4: the building. I'm not in meetings, I'm not in the
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 4: locker room. I don't know the juice. I don't know
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 4: who's feeling good. I don't know that Taylor's ankle sore.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 4: I don't know that Will doesn't want to guard Darren
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 4: Sproles and the goal. Like, I don't know about any
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 4: of this. So I have to look at the game
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 4: through black and white trends. Okay, how are they on
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 4: offensive efficiency? How are they in defensive efficiency? What coverages
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 4: do they love on early downs? Okay, what does this
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 4: team do on the early down run game? How do
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 4: those match? What is there at? And you got to
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 4: start breaking the go down the game through more of
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 4: like an analytical perspective, because when I put on the film,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 4: I don't know if the left tackle was supposed to
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 4: have helped by the left guard on a full slide
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 4: protection when he got beat in the B gap and
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 4: gave up a sack. I think he should have, but
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 4: I don't know what the protection really was. I wasn't
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 4: in the meeting like I was when I was a player.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 4: So I think the only way for me to fairly
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 4: evaluate these teams and present the matchup is a more
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 4: analytical approach, because it's really all we have. And as
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 4: I dove more into these trends, and then I stand
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 4: up there in the booth and I watch these games unfold.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 4: More often than not, what that data, what those analytics,
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 4: what those reports laid out throughout the course of the week,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 4: more times than not, is exactly how the game goes.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 4: It's exactly how the team plays early downs, or the
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 4: coverage or the blitz rate or whatever it is like,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: it typically holds pretty strong. I can't measure how hard
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: you're playing. I'm assuming everyone's playing hard, so for me,
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 4: it's not a factor. That is how I've now approached
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 4: the game the last five years, and as I've approached
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 4: it more like that, my understanding of the game and
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 4: what I say actually happening on the field has gone up.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: Mmm.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: I love the way you just broke the whole thing down.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: Who do you call games with?
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 4: Joe Davis?
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: Joe Davis, I gotta tell you something, Joe, I gotta
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: tell you something, Joe New England. Losing that game a
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago versus the Buffalo Bills was the
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: best thing to happen to this team because it has
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: reignited and re sparked this momentum this team has going
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: into the playoffs. You know what I'm saying, you guys,
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: shit your pants, ship our pants. No, no, no, no,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: it's got to happen. It's gotta happen in the game
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: when the Patriots score, and then we'll be in the
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: group chat I'll say save the line and then hey,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: I tell you what, Joe, Yeah, I say?
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 4: Will I love you? Say it back? Yeah, yeah, what
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 4: do you think Twitter would do? What do you think
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 4: the internet? How my mentions would be a dumpster fire? No, no, no,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: I said the word momentum. How much would people love
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 4: to ship on me?
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: I think people that don't see this will shoot before it,
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: but the ones that do will love you forever for
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: it love.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: If we're it'll be a turning point to where Greg
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: now believes in momentum, in momentum, in the spirit of
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: the playoffs.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: Right just before twenty twenty six, he believes reignited. Yeah,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: Greg's love for the game and the passionate momentum.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 4: Two thousand and it's my last story.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: After this.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's been We've had him.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he gotta get I'm gonna go do it.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 4: I gotta go sauna. I've eaten guys. I don't even
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 4: want to weigh in.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: Hey, twenty twenty six.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, give us your story, give us your story of
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 4: the a lot of late night cocktails. I've really gotten
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: into espresso, Martiniz. We talked about that, hey company, separate conversation.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: Anyway.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 4: Twenty fifteen, we win our first fourteen games. We're fourteen
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 4: and oh on Christmas morning, we're fourteen and oh that
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 4: weekend we played the Atlanta We played the Atlanta Falcons,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 4: who we had just two weeks prior. So in week thirteen,
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 4: our thirteenth win, whatever week it was. In thirteenth win,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 4: we beat the Atlanta Falcons like thirty something to nothing.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 4: Week fourteen we win Christmas Week, our fifteenth game. So
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 4: it's week sixteen. We go to Atlanta. We had just
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 4: beat them by thirty. We were fourteen and oh, we
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 4: had all the momentum. We're dabbing. We're fighting people in
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 4: Tennessee in the end zone. I mean, we are right.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 4: Your fans are sending letters to the Charlotte Observer because
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 4: Cam's dabbing it. Like you talk about emotion and high
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 4: energy and vibes, and you couldn't be a more vibe
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 4: team than we were. In twenty fifteen. We lose to Atlanta.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: Ooh, got too much.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: We'd lose hockey hockey.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 4: Cocky, we too much momentum. We lose to Atlanta. In Atlanta.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 4: Week seventeen, we come home a lot of debate about
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 4: whether or not we should play the starters. We locked
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 4: up the one seed. We play. We beat the Tampa
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 4: Bay Bucks at home to finish the regular season fifteen
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 4: and one bye week. We have all the momentum. Long
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 4: story short, we beat Seattle. We were up thirty to
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 4: nothing at halftime. Apparently we left the momentum in the
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 4: locker room. We had to recover an on side kick
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 4: to win the game. We then beat the doors off
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 4: of Arizona. We scored like forty five. We were the
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 4: number one offense in the league. We scored thirty plus
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 4: against Seattle. We scored forty plus against the Cardinals. We
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 4: scored ten points in the Super Bowl. So a year
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 4: that was momentum and energy and vibes and good feelings
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 4: and locker room and we scored ten points in the
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 4: Super Bowl and lost. Yeah, But my point is like
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 4: along the ride, were we good because we were good?
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 4: Or were we good because we had vibes? Were we
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 4: good because we had momentum? I just think we were
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 4: good and I think we won a lot of games
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 4: that were close and we blew a lot of people
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 4: out because we were good, and Cam was the MVP
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 4: and we had ten Pro Bowlers, So like, was it
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 4: momentum or were we just good? And then all of
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 4: a sudden, did we lose the momentum or did we
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 4: just play shitty? Like I look back on the Super
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 4: Bowl and I'm like, we played shitty. We didn't block
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 4: von Miller. I ran the first third down too short.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 4: I was a yard short, caught the ball and we punted,
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 4: Like did we lose the momentum? I just think we
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 4: played like shit and we lost. So like that's my point.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 4: Like I look at that year and I go, if
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 4: the momentum was so high, why do we lose the
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 4: Super Bowl?
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: Man, yeah, fair enough makes you really reevaluate.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 4: I should have ran deeper. On the first third down
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 4: of the game. I ran a backside. I was so
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 4: worried about edging. I had like a back I had
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 4: like a edge backside dig. I was late in the
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 4: I was late in the progression. I'll never forget it
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 4: my rest of my life. That's why I have so
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 4: many express on martinis. And I gave like a quick
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 4: little edge, but I probably I got out fast enough
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 4: that I could have gotten my depth. But they were
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 4: playing like quarters and the safeties were real tight, and
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 4: I let them dictate and it was like third and nine.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 4: I ran like a seven roll to eight something like that.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 4: Caught it got hit short. Nowadays, you probably go for it.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 4: We punted and we fell behind by multiple scores, and
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 4: we just never got going. So you didn't edge it up,
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 4: and I'm just run a shitty route.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: You didn't edge enough to keep it going enough get
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: so anytime I get close to edging, there's no way
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: I can keep the edge. Same.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: I always lose the edge every time close to the edge.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, every single I get to the edge and I
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: just jump off the edge.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: I always say to myself while I'm on the edge,
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: I'm like, do I this is right? Shut down the edge,
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: And it's always like finish.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: Well, now that I know once's speak, Oh, it's already,
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: it's gone.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 4: Well, now that I know that, once I have the momentum,
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 4: I don't want to get too far to the edge
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 4: of momentum because you told me that's cockiness.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 4: But then I also have to evaluate in real time
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 4: where my sweet spot of momentum is because it's different
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 4: for everybody. And then the last piece I've learned today
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 4: was even though momentum is the number one factor of success,
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 4: there's no way to hold on to it at any moment.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 4: You have to hand it back.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: Well, you got to recalibrate. You can't fucking drink your
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: own kool aid, you know what I mean. You can't
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: think you're already dead, Like there's way to recapture the momentum,
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: which I would ask you when you lost the Falcons
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: in week fifteen, was there a sense in the locker
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: room like, hey, this is once you beat the breaks
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: off the next team you're like, hey, this lost is
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: the best.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: Thing that happened to You can't just suit up on
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: a Sunday.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're about to go into playoff mode. We are.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 4: We remember that where the Carolina is our momentum recheck.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: Well, I was just gonna say, if you guys don't
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: lose the Falcons, you're probably bumped out in your first
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: game Divisional, probably out because then you don't have a
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: momentum check. You got to have it, just like the
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: Patriots did.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: We scored thirty in the first half.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: Right, but we already talked about the half wesets momentum.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 4: So we scored thirty in the first half against Seattle
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 4: in the division round because three weeks two weeks earlier,
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 4: we lost in Atlanta exactly.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're starting to get it.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 4: You're starting I'm starting to get it.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: Because you remember you're going to half and you're like, oh, boys,
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: hey remember three weeks ago. You might not say it
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: out loud, but subconsciously in the back of the break,
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: that's where's att And then you thought to yourself, we're
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: gonna beat the Broncos because Peyton Main has got like
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: a broken neck and this it'll be easy.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: He can't to the ball more a fifteen yards, which cocky.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 4: So yeah, well that's a great point. What I so,
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 4: what I'm hearing is I need to do a better
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 4: job connecting two completely irrelevant, separate moments tying them together.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 4: How do we tie them together? Momentum?
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't like the way you said irrelevant because
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: it felt like you were demeaning the conversation.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: You know what he's saying, irrelevant factors that are extreme
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: on both ends.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 4: I'm saying. He's telling us saying when he was thinking,
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 4: maybe we're getting to do with each other.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: We're getting over our skis right now, Greg, instead of
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: standing up in the team meeting and be like, hey,
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: don't smell your own ship. Yeah, we could lose this
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: game if we walk in here with this attitude, he
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: chose to stay seated. Yep.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean, yep, yep, just marinating in
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: all his momentum, which only turns into cocky.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's like, no, you know what, we thought
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: we were going to beat the ship out of the Broncos.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: We got humbled.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 4: This is this is eye opening.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: And before we get you out of here, Greg, give
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: me one New Year's resolution.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 4: I gotta get back. I'm getting back in shape.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, every year we talk about it. Six months,
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: I think six years. I'll every year I'll bust with
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: the boys.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 4: Let's get jacked, But I'm not gonna get jacked. I'm like, sorry,
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 4: I'm I'm I hope you guys get jacked. I'd be
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 4: so proud if you get jacked. Here's how I look
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  Speaker 4: at it. I for fourteen years, I busted my ass like,
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  Speaker 4: I took my training very seriously what I ate in
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  Speaker 4: my training, and I was super diligent and I was
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  Speaker 4: never jacked. So I have no like false notions. Now
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  Speaker 4: unless I got on like the sauce or something, I.
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  Speaker 2: Was gonna say, now you can get on steroid.
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  Speaker 4: Yah, I'm gonna start doing like peptide shit, which I
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  Speaker 4: think is like the craze. I gotta like look into
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 4: it a little bit more.
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  Speaker 2: Bro.
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  Speaker 4: So if I do come back jacked, I'm here on
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 4: the record. If one day you see me and you're like,
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 4: holy shit, Olsen's yoked. I one hundred percent took some
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  Speaker 4: sort of assistant substance peptide. I'm not saying juice, but like,
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  Speaker 4: am I micro dosing some peptides and some Maybe I'm
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 4: not saying I.
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  Speaker 2: Have you got on testosterone yet?
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 4: No, I'm on. I'm on hot dog beers and espresso martinis.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe looking at some tea. Not having any more kids?
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  Speaker 4: Are you?
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: That's the next that's the next week's conversation.
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  Speaker 4: Next week's combo, we'll talk about after the new year
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  Speaker 4: what we're doing to get our vibes right. But having
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  Speaker 4: said that, like I just want to get back to
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  Speaker 4: like middle baseline, forty one year old dad, Like I'm
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 4: fine taking my shirt off at the pool. No one's
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  Speaker 4: gonna be like, wow, that guy's in great shape, and
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  Speaker 4: everyone's gonna like, yeah, I can see how he used
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  Speaker 4: to play pro ball, Like he's a big guy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what you want.
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  Speaker 4: I'm looking for that I'm not looking to be a hero.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, the thing you have going for you already
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: exquisite jawline. So in a T shirt, you're already running
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  Speaker 1: the game. The goal is not to look like a bodybuilder.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: The goal is a look in the mirror and not
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: want to throw up and be like, all right, I
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: can understand why she wants to sleep with me, and
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: that's then oh yeah, well you you check this out
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: and be like this camp either reason.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 4: That it's sure not me.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: Check it's not my body. Maybe it's just my personality.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 4: Now you know, it's not my humor.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not my body.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 4: Maybe I'm just a shitty dad.
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  Speaker 2: The goal. The goal is to feel good about having
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: sex with the lights on. Yeah, because I'm at a
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: point where I need to be pitch black. I gotta
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: close the curtains. I'm gonna close everything else.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: Something to be said about the senses. Though you take
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: away a sense, the other one gets stronger.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah it's nice you can't see ship.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just you're all.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 4: Over the map.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in the world where I'm having sex with
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: a T shirt on them.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 4: Right, great show, great show, great show. In the last
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  Speaker 4: four months, this might be my favorite episode we've ever heard.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, by Far, by Far. It's the end of
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  Speaker 1: the year. Man, Nothing matters, Nothing.
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  Speaker 4: Matters till we're getting back in shape. We're not gonna
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 4: be heroes.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: How good be heroes?
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 4: I think we can do it together. We gotta hold
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 4: each other accountable.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: Cdibil buddies.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 4: I'm leaving this call, putting on my hoodie, my sweats,
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 4: I'm going on the treadmill in Kline walk sauna. That's
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 4: my afternoon.
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  Speaker 1: We love it.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 4: Happy New Years.
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  Speaker 2: Will set the y I'll set it up.
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  Speaker 1: Set the group chat, Set the group chat.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: Dude, I don't want to tell my I gotta Loga's name.
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  Speaker 1: All right? Hey, what an episode? Huh? Mass were still roll?
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  Speaker 1: Press some buttons. We're good, all right, Greg, By the way,
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: that was my favorite episode we've ever done with him.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: Incredible guys. We are gonna go and now shoot our
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: best of episode for Bust with the Boys that comes
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: out tomorrow, which is Tuesday at six am. Please check
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: that out. All the boys will be on. We have
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: a cool little setup in the back. We're not gonna
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: talk about it. You'll be able to see it on YouTube.
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  Speaker 1: But once again, you've stayed this long with us. Please subscribe,
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