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Jim Bowden on FT: White Sox trade plans, Giants sell-off, Contreras drama, Tigers keeping Skubal? · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Front Office unfiltered time with resident GM Jim Bowden joining
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  Speaker 1: us JB. We were just talking about Wilson Contreras and
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  Speaker 1: his hot week in terms of hot headed week, your
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  Speaker 1: thoughts on everything that's gone on down there, and you
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  Speaker 1: know how you would deal with it as a front
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  Speaker 1: office if anything at all, Like, if you're the Red
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  Speaker 1: Sox and you kind of stink this year, are you like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: this is a fun spark for the team. What's your
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  Speaker 1: view on what happened specifically last night? But also the player?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think, first of all, we all know that
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  Speaker 2: Wilson Contreras is a very emotional player. He's got a
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  Speaker 2: lot of passion, and he's got a lot going on
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  Speaker 2: in his life right now. And I think the earthquakes
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  Speaker 2: that are taking place in Venezuela is home country, and
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  Speaker 2: all the things that he's dealing with comes out.
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  Speaker 3: And remember, the.
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  Speaker 2: Red Sox don't have that veteran leadership. There's no Alex
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  Speaker 2: Bregman in that clubhouse. So Wilson Contreras, who has been
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  Speaker 2: their best offensive player, is now trying to take a
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  Speaker 2: role of being a leader, which is not He's not
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  Speaker 2: a leader type. He's someone that you need a leader
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  Speaker 2: to kind of keep him in line, and the Red
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  Speaker 2: Sox don't have that. They have a lot of young
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  Speaker 2: position players that aren't able to do that. But he's
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  Speaker 2: having a great year. He's hitting two eighty three, like,
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  Speaker 2: with eighteen home runs, and he leads the team and
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  Speaker 2: runs batt in. He's just been really consistent offensively for them.
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  Speaker 2: You know, obviously you don't like to see, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the two ejections and not, you know, having to leave games,
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  Speaker 2: and you certainly you know he's going to get suspended
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  Speaker 2: for throwing the helmet.
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  Speaker 3: That was the worst thing that took place.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I don't think Cavali needed to do that,
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  Speaker 2: and certainly Contraras is the one that escalated the situation
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  Speaker 2: for me. But again, I think you've got a rookie
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  Speaker 2: manager in Chad Tracy who should be calling him in
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  Speaker 2: and calling him down. You've got a second year general manager,
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  Speaker 2: same situation, and you don't have player leadership, and I
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  Speaker 2: think that kind of makes this worse than it really
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  Speaker 2: should be.
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  Speaker 3: I like the player.
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  Speaker 2: I like his heart, he wants to win, he plays
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  Speaker 2: the game hard, but someone needs to talk to him
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  Speaker 2: and try to keep them in line a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: Not, I guess questioning some of the moves the Red
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  Speaker 4: Sox made. But is this like the culmination of the
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  Speaker 4: fact that Breslo didn't get a Bregman to be in
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  Speaker 4: that clubhouse, the fact that, yes, the value of Roman Anthony,
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  Speaker 4: like oh, he's going to be our best player, doesn't
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  Speaker 4: suffice the leadership role. Do you feel like this kind
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  Speaker 4: of came to a head in this moment because of
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  Speaker 4: the fact that Wilson Contreras, who I agree with you
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  Speaker 4: and I said it earlier. Isn't that leadership type?
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  Speaker 3: He's the energy guy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that assessment, and you know they
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  Speaker 2: lacked the veteran leadership.
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  Speaker 3: Look. I like their young players.
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  Speaker 2: I love Roman Anthony and Saydan Rafaela and Will bra
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  Speaker 2: and I think Marcello Meyer has talent. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: when you're going to have that many young players, you
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  Speaker 2: do need player leadership. We saw what Alex Bregman did.
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  Speaker 2: I don't mean on the field. I'm not talking about
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  Speaker 2: his offense or defense, but what he was doing as
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  Speaker 2: a leader for the young players and even a eater.
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  Speaker 2: You know you need, as you guys know Todd and
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  Speaker 2: Eric playing the game as long as you guys did
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  Speaker 2: you do need player leadership in the clubhouse, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and that's something that the Red Sox lack.
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  Speaker 3: This team is dysfunctional.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we know that they put together a pitching
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  Speaker 2: staff that is good enough to make it to October,
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  Speaker 2: but they didn't build a functional lineup. This is not
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  Speaker 2: a very good offensive team. They are in need of
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  Speaker 2: bats and so yeah, this team just was not put
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  Speaker 2: together very well and they've got some work to do
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  Speaker 2: before we, you know, cover them in October.
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  Speaker 3: The next time, I.
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  Speaker 5: Want to ask a question, Jaron Duran I said it before.
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  Speaker 5: He needs a little bit of a change of scenery
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  Speaker 5: from the Red Sox. I know how good he is,
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  Speaker 5: I know how good he could play. Talk to me.
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  Speaker 5: Is there any landing spots for him or do you
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  Speaker 5: think he'll still be a Red Sox move forward?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, I think the San Diego Padres
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  Speaker 2: are a great landing spot for him. I know aj
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  Speaker 2: Preller has inquired about him several times.
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  Speaker 3: Over the last few years.
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  Speaker 2: With the vision of Fernando Tatisan right, Jackson Maryland center
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  Speaker 2: and Jaren Durant and left with a great power, speed
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  Speaker 2: potential combination. You know, I think the Red Sox outfield
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  Speaker 2: situation has been muddled with you know, the goal Glover
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  Speaker 2: William or Bray and right, you've got the platinum center
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  Speaker 2: fielder and Sadan Raphaela and Duran knows that Roman Anthony
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  Speaker 2: is going to be the long term left fielder. It's
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  Speaker 2: not going to be him, and so I think it's
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  Speaker 2: only a matter of time before he gets that change
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  Speaker 2: of scenery.
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  Speaker 3: But obviously it's makes it a.
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  Speaker 2: Little more difficult for Craig Breslo when he's hitting one
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  Speaker 2: ninety six and been on base at a twenty five
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  Speaker 2: percent clip. It's hard to trade a player when you're
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  Speaker 2: not performing here. But I agree with you, I think
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  Speaker 2: a change of scenery makes a lot of sense here.
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  Speaker 2: I think if I were another team out there, I
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  Speaker 2: would try to buy low right now to get Duran
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  Speaker 2: because I do like the player. I think he needs
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  Speaker 2: to be put in left field and left and left
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  Speaker 2: field and not have the DH full time. But he's
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  Speaker 2: a much better player than what we've seen.
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  Speaker 4: As the team acquiring him. Is it fair to say
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  Speaker 4: your job could be able to line if you overpay
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  Speaker 4: for a guy that's hitting one ninety six with the
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  Speaker 4: potential that we just saw him win the MVP of
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  Speaker 4: the All Star Game two years ago. So is that
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  Speaker 4: the harder job or is it the job of getting
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  Speaker 4: rid of the guy who's hitting one ninety six.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, look, it doesn't matter if you overpay. You know,
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  Speaker 2: the GM job is it about winning trades. It's about
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  Speaker 2: winning championships, right, It's okay to lose trades if you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna win. I mean, the best GMS in baseball have
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  Speaker 2: lost trades. I mean, who can forget John Schuholtz ed
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  Speaker 2: trading David Cone for Ed Hearner, trading Adam Wainwright for JD.
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  Speaker 3: Drew.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, these kind of things are going
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  Speaker 2: to happen. Only thing that fans care about, and players
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  Speaker 2: care about, and cities care about and media cares about
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  Speaker 2: is winning bottom line. So you know, there are times
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  Speaker 2: you have to overpay in trades, but if you get
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  Speaker 2: the player that you want, sometimes it's okay to trade that.
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  Speaker 2: Perhaps you're overpaying because you have an excess of pitching,
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  Speaker 2: or an excess of shortstops, or an excess somewhere where
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  Speaker 2: you feel like you can overpay, but it's worth it
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  Speaker 2: because the player you're getting is a better fit that
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  Speaker 2: player can bring you a championship where maybe what you
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  Speaker 2: gave up wasn't going to help you as much.
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  Speaker 5: I want to go on a different socks team. White
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  Speaker 5: Sox still in the thicket things they've been doing pretty well.
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  Speaker 5: How big of a buyer do you think they will
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  Speaker 5: become trade deadline?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're going to be a buyer. And
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  Speaker 2: you know, I was a fan of the hiring of
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  Speaker 2: Chris Getz. I think I was one of only few
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  Speaker 2: because I remember Chris gets calling me and said he'll
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  Speaker 2: never forget that. I was there supporting the hire at
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  Speaker 2: the time. I believe in what Chris gets is building.
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  Speaker 2: He understands makeup and character, He understands baseball players. So
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  Speaker 2: you know, when you look at him building this lineup
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  Speaker 2: right now, you know he built a nucleus in the middle,
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  Speaker 2: and then he's got a bunch of gamers and baseball
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  Speaker 2: players around it. The White Sox right now are one
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  Speaker 2: of only eight teams in baseball that has scored four
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  Speaker 2: hundred runs as a team.
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  Speaker 3: That's how good this offense has been.
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  Speaker 2: Very young team that's going to be to get there
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  Speaker 2: for years to come.
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  Speaker 3: But pitching is the issue. As we all know, and
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  Speaker 3: they need pitching.
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  Speaker 2: If they're gonna win this division or if they're gonna
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  Speaker 2: get in as a wildcard team, they're gonna have to
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  Speaker 2: get pitching now. I talked to Chris Getz a couple
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  Speaker 2: of weeks ago. He made it very clear to me
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  Speaker 2: if they are still in this race, he said in
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  Speaker 2: a month quote unquote a month, which would put it
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  Speaker 2: right after the All Star Game, that he would be
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  Speaker 2: in buy mode. Now, that doesn't mean he's gonna, you know,
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  Speaker 2: mortgage the future, but it does mean, for an example,
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  Speaker 2: if the Red Sox decided to sell between now and
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  Speaker 2: the August third deadline, the White Sox would have interested
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  Speaker 2: in Sonny Gray and or a roll This Chapman, two
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  Speaker 2: guys that would absolutely fill the need and improve their
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  Speaker 2: chances of winning. I do expect the White Sox to
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  Speaker 2: be buyers. I do expect them to still be in
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  Speaker 2: the race when we get to August.
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• 8:57
  Speaker 1: is the hottest time of year for this mock trades.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite? If not, I can t
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  Speaker 1: you up on one that stood out to me that
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  Speaker 1: got made some noise online. But was there a favorite
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  Speaker 1: where you're like, hey, I really think both sides should
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  Speaker 1: consider this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think my favorite trade idea is Joe Ryan
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  Speaker 2: to the Atlanta Braves. I think that they've got the pitching,
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  Speaker 2: the braves of the young pitching that they could sacrifice
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  Speaker 2: to get Joe Ryan. You know, whether it's cam Keminedtti
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  Speaker 2: and j R. Ritchie, whether it's Dedy or Fuentes and Caminetti.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, any way you want to take two of
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  Speaker 2: the three, you know. I think if you're the Minnesota Twins,
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  Speaker 2: you have to realize you're a year and a half
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  Speaker 2: away from losing Joe Ryan. You're not going to be
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  Speaker 2: able to extend him long term with the cost that
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  Speaker 2: it's going to take. And even though you're in a
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  Speaker 2: race right now, I get it, but you're not really
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  Speaker 2: in a race. And I would try to get my
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  Speaker 2: return and if I could get two of those Braves
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  Speaker 2: pitchers that I could control for five or six years
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  Speaker 2: at the big league level. I've got to do it.
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  Speaker 2: And for Atlanta, I think you have to understand you
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  Speaker 2: have a window here.
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  Speaker 3: You've got to under stan the Phillies are gonna beat you.
• 10:01
  Speaker 2: They're gonna beat They're gonna win this division because you
• 10:05
  Speaker 2: know they have Zach Wheeler and Christopher Sanchez and Asus Lozardo,
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  Speaker 2: and you've got Chris Sale. And then you're hoping for
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  Speaker 2: rain because you've got guys on the injured list or
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  Speaker 2: you have guys that have just fallen flat on their
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  Speaker 2: face over the last five or six starts. So the
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  Speaker 2: Philly's gonna catch you. They're gonna go buy you. And
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  Speaker 2: you've got the Miami Marlins that had the best record
• 10:22
  Speaker 2: in Major League Baseball in the month of June. They're
• 10:24
  Speaker 2: coming after you as well. You're gonna have to get
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  Speaker 2: starting pitching. And I think the other issue is this
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: is your window to win, right I mean, when you
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  Speaker 2: have a Kunya and Albi's and Olsen and this group
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  Speaker 2: that you put together, you've got to go all in
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  Speaker 2: and try to win right now. So I think it's
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  Speaker 2: the kind of deal that would make sense for Minnesota
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  Speaker 2: and building for the future. And I think for the Braves,
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  Speaker 2: it's time to make that uncomfortable trade that Alexanthopolis doesn't
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  Speaker 2: like to make but has made in the past, like
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  Speaker 2: he did with Troy Tilowitzki when he was running the
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  Speaker 2: Toronto Blue Jays. The time is to make that painful
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  Speaker 2: trade that might come back to burn you, but it's
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  Speaker 2: worth it if you can win. And this would give
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  Speaker 2: you two postseasons with Chris Sale and Joe Ryan at
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  Speaker 2: the top of your starting rotation.
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  Speaker 4: Wait, didn't Alex Santopolos also trade for Ri Dickey. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: that one didn't work out, but you know what, we
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  Speaker 4: don't remember what the gms do. My question for you
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  Speaker 4: is what are your other mock trades? Joe Adele and
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to have a follow up based on what
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  Speaker 4: you say. The Joe Adele io.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Joe Adell going to the Philadelphia Phillies, three
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  Speaker 2: prospects going the other way to the Angels. This is
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  Speaker 2: a deal that would never happen if Perrymanassion was still
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  Speaker 2: the GM. But the great news for Angel fans is
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  Speaker 2: John Moseylock is going to be making the calls at
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  Speaker 2: this trade deadline.
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  Speaker 3: For the Angels.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, John Mosey Lock will be on
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  Speaker 2: my award winning Front Office show this Sunday ten to
• 11:51
  Speaker 2: one on Serious XM Channel eighty nine on MLB Network Radio,
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: and we're going to break down all the details of
• 11:57
  Speaker 2: what Moe's going to do with the Angels. But the
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  Speaker 2: one thing that Moe has made very clear, He's going
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: to listen on on almost every player there, and if
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  Speaker 2: he can make a good trade, he is going to
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  Speaker 2: make a good trade.
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  Speaker 3: He's not going to be afraid.
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  Speaker 2: And I got the sense that after he met with
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  Speaker 2: team president Molly Jolly, and after he met with the
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  Speaker 2: owner briefly Ardi Moreno for a two or three hour breakfast,
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  Speaker 2: he got the impression that his recommendations are going to
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  Speaker 2: be heard and he's going to have the freedom and
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  Speaker 2: the vision to be able to make this organization better,
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  Speaker 2: which means the Angels pretty good chance that they're going
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  Speaker 2: to get offers on Joe Adell, read Detmer, Jose Soriano,
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  Speaker 2: and he's going to be open if he can make
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  Speaker 2: trades to improve the team.
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  Speaker 5: Mike Trout, excuse me.
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  Speaker 4: No, that was well, that was that was exactly what
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  Speaker 4: I was going to cough about how would can you
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  Speaker 4: switch that in the sense of Mike Trout. Would it
• 12:47
  Speaker 4: be the same haul back if the Phillies take on
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  Speaker 4: some of the contracts and get and get arty moreno
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  Speaker 4: out from underneath that.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, Well, Mike Trout is the one situation that I
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  Speaker 2: don't get the impression that Mike Trout wants to leave
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  Speaker 2: the Angels number one.
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  Speaker 3: Number two.
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  Speaker 2: I don't get the impression that John Mosey Loock wants
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  Speaker 2: to come over here on a short term contract and
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  Speaker 2: move Mike Trout. And I don't get the impression that
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  Speaker 2: Alarady Morino wants Mike Trout to finish his career in
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  Speaker 2: any other uniform except the Angels. So I think Trout
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  Speaker 2: is the one exception. Again, that's my early read. I
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  Speaker 2: will ask John mose look directly on Sunday to make
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  Speaker 2: him give me that direct answer.
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  Speaker 3: But the early vibe.
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  Speaker 2: That I'm getting from Moe is that Mike Trout will
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  Speaker 2: be an Angel on August fourth.
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  Speaker 1: JAB question for you about timing. I know everybody always asks,
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  Speaker 1: like one of these trades going to happen, and most
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  Speaker 1: front offices are focused on the draft right now and
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  Speaker 1: then eventually we'll start to trickle in with trade offers
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  Speaker 1: for teams that know they're selling and maybe are selling
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  Speaker 1: big names. Do you think there should be more urgency
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  Speaker 1: in general? This is just a big picture question. The
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  Speaker 1: reason I ask is Matt Chapman just got hurt. I
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  Speaker 1: know his name popped up. The stock is pretty good
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  Speaker 1: based off a slow start, but and he really rebounded
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  Speaker 1: and he's a good player, he's got the track record.
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  Speaker 1: That's not an easy contract to move. My point is
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  Speaker 1: do you always have to wait or can you, as
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  Speaker 1: the seller try and call teams and say, hey, we're
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  Speaker 1: taking final offers. We're doing this now. Because there always
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  Speaker 1: is injury risk. I know it's not crazy for a
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  Speaker 1: position player, but let's say Chapman is out for a
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  Speaker 1: month or two, they just lost their opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no doubt. And look, we don't have a
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  Speaker 2: lot of sellers right now. That's part of the problem.
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  Speaker 2: All the gms I talked to and no one expects
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  Speaker 2: a lot of action until as you mentioned after the
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  Speaker 2: All Star week. You know that being said, we do
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  Speaker 2: know Rockies, Giants and now probably Angels are the three
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  Speaker 2: teams that you know probably will and I don't think
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  Speaker 2: there is any question. If you're a seller, the quicker
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: you sell, in theory, the bigger return you get. Because
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  Speaker 4: All right, let's go to the Giants. We obviously know
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  Speaker 4: Robbie Ray, we survive most likely. We just talked about Chapman.
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  Speaker 2: Giants have been very clear to opposing teams everybody but
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  Speaker 3: Haven't done that.
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  Speaker 2: They just said, we're not going to trade Web. But
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  Speaker 2: see what they're able to do and who they actually
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  Speaker 2: trade at the end of the day. You know, I think, obviously,
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  Speaker 2: as you mentioned, Robbie Rays the most obvious to go.
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  Speaker 2: We don't know how many starting pitchers will or will
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  Speaker 2: the Orioles, you know, at some point you might want
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  Speaker 2: try to get what is realistic. Because you know, Robbie
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  Speaker 2: Ray's capable of starting a Game three or a Game
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  Speaker 2: one guy will be available, So I'm guessing he'll be
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  Speaker 5: Go for it, Dad, Yeah, I was going to ask
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  Speaker 5: about school ball as well. I've heard a lot of rumblings.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure you've heard a lot more about the whole situation.
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  Speaker 5: Where do you see, if anything, him going anywhere? Is
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  Speaker 5: it Benny talks with maybe going to a certain team.
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  Speaker 2: Already, Scott Harris has been very clear that he wants
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  Speaker 2: the Tigers to get back in this race. He loves
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  Speaker 2: what he's seen with the best catcher in baseball and
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  Speaker 2: Dylan Dingler and the rookie of the year Kevin McGonagall,
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  Speaker 2: and you saw Torkles and Yard last night.
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  Speaker 3: We all know good Riley.
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  Speaker 2: Green is and they just believe their team is better
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  Speaker 2: than the record and they can turn things around.
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  Speaker 3: We saw how good Schooble looked last night.
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  Speaker 2: That really helps because everybody's been scouting Schoobles every start.
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  Speaker 2: That was his best start since he came off the
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  Speaker 2: injured list. That was a very positive start with the
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  Speaker 2: punchouts again, I don't expect a decision by the Tigers
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  Speaker 2: until at least three or four or five days before
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  Speaker 2: the deadline, and I think the standings and the games
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  Speaker 2: behind will determine what they decide to do. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: obviously if they're not in it, they'll move them. I
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  Speaker 2: think the most likely candidates are Dodgers, Yankees Braves. The
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  Speaker 2: Dodgers are denying it behind the scenes and telling people
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  Speaker 2: that they have enough starting pitching and they're not going
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  Speaker 2: to play.
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  Speaker 3: I don't believe them.
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  Speaker 2: It's very easy trade with them at she and River,
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  Speaker 2: Ryan and Zaire Hope.
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  Speaker 3: To get Schooble.
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  Speaker 2: That's a package is going to be tough to match
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  Speaker 2: by someone. And those are all excess players the Dodgers
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  Speaker 2: could afford to trade. And if you're the Dodgers, you
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't want Yamamoto, Scoobel, Otawani glasnow Snail is your rotation
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  Speaker 2: in October? I would I think the Braves we talked
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  Speaker 2: about the pitching they have for Joe Ryan, although alex
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  Speaker 2: Anthopolis doesn't like rentals, so that's why I think Joe
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  Speaker 2: Ryan's a better fit for them. But certainly he's got
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  Speaker 2: the young pitching that the Detroit Tigers that Scott Harris
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  Speaker 2: would want. And the New York Yankees are loaded with
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  Speaker 2: guys Am Rodriguez and Ben Hess. They could trade one
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  Speaker 2: of their young outfielders like Spencer Jones if they wanted to,
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  Speaker 2: so they have enough to get him as well. And
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  Speaker 2: I think whoever gets Schooble is going to be a
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  Speaker 2: team that thinks they can win a World Series. The
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  Speaker 2: price is going to hurt. It's going to be painful,
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  Speaker 2: but probably worth it if you get to hoist the trophy.
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  Speaker 4: Jab You're the perfect person to answer this. When I
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  Speaker 4: get asked by people that play, that watch the game
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  Speaker 4: you see a catcher get hit by a foul tip,
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: They're like, do you miss catching? When you see David
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  Speaker 4: Stearns going through what he's going through as a GM?
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  Speaker 4: Do you miss being a GM? Because there's like, should
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  Speaker 4: he be fired? Should he get his full five year
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  Speaker 4: window to make what he's done? You know, come to fruition,
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  Speaker 4: He's made their defense worse, he gutted their coaching staff.
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  Speaker 4: So do you really miss it? JB?
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  Speaker 2: I miss it when you're winning. I miss it when
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  Speaker 2: you trade for Ken Griffey Junior. I miss it the
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  Speaker 2: years you're losing.
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  Speaker 3: No, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Is it fun to have a plane flyover a stadium
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  Speaker 2: that says fire Bowden? Is it fun to have death
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  Speaker 2: threats and Major League Baseball sending policemen to your house
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  Speaker 2: just so you don't get shot? No, that part's not
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  Speaker 2: fun at all. I don't miss that part of it whatsoever.
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  Speaker 2: I don't miss seven days a week, eighteen hours a
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  Speaker 2: day grind, but miss I do miss the fraternity feeling
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  Speaker 2: in the clubhouse every single day. I do miss the
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  Speaker 2: ability at the trade deadline to go make deals. Like
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  Speaker 2: one of my favorite times in the trade deadline is
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  Speaker 2: I got three starting pitchers within eight days and David Wells,
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  Speaker 2: Mark Portugal and David Burba and it was an.
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  Speaker 3: Amazing eight days in my life.
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  Speaker 2: The adrenaline was crazy and our team ended up going
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  Speaker 2: to the NLCS because of it. I miss those moments,
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  Speaker 2: but I also have compassion to what David Stearns and
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  Speaker 2: Craig Breslo are going through. The hate that they get professionally,
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  Speaker 2: the hate they get personally, the hate that their family gets,
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  Speaker 2: the threats that they get. It's terrible and disgusting, and
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  Speaker 2: I feel for them and I support them.
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  Speaker 3: Look, David Stearns is.
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  Speaker 2: Gonna get his five years in New York to turn
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  Speaker 2: things around. This was a miserable offseason. As we know,
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  Speaker 2: he's going to get a chance to fix it. We'll
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  Speaker 2: see what he's able to do. And I think Craig
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  Speaker 2: Breslo's got a shot of one more offseason to fix
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  Speaker 2: it as well. I know theo Epstein and John Henry
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  Speaker 2: are both supporting them. I think sometimes you got to
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  Speaker 2: give the executives an extra year or two. Fans don't
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  Speaker 2: like it, but fans just want to win. And the
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  Speaker 2: one thing, and I mentioned this to Craig Breslow the
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  Speaker 2: other day, is you know, when we were losing, everybody
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  Speaker 2: wanted me fire and everybody hated. When we finished in
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  Speaker 2: first the next two years, I didn't have to pay
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  Speaker 2: for dinner for about ten years. So baseball changes that
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  Speaker 2: quick as a And I remember Andy McPhail once telling
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  Speaker 2: when I first got the job, he said, just remember this.
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  Speaker 2: The years that you lose, you're going to be hated.
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  Speaker 2: The years that you win, you're going to be loved,
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  Speaker 2: and it's never going to be in between. And that's
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  Speaker 2: absolutely how it plays out for that particular position.
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  Speaker 3: So do I miss the years of losing? No? Do
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  Speaker 3: I miss the years of winning? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: JB. We'll finish with this. My favorite part of what
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  Speaker 1: you said the other day was basically how that airplane
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: was able to save money by switching fire to hire. Right,
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  Speaker 1: he just kind of wided out the f and then
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  Speaker 1: put an h and then said hire Boden for both teams.
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  Speaker 1: And that was at the Bengals game. So they wanted
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  Speaker 1: you to run the Bengals and the Reds. So how
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  Speaker 1: quickly the tables turn, as they would say in the office, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It does happen that quick.
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  Speaker 2: It was funny because I was at that Bengals game
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  Speaker 2: when the plane floor and said Boden, hire Boden to
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  Speaker 2: do both the same airplane.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, they said fire Boden the previous year.
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  Speaker 3: And that's just how it works. Almost ridiculous. And a third,
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  Speaker 3: but it's all part of it.
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  Speaker 2: But the end of the day, as I've told everybody,
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  Speaker 2: those positions, you have to win. And that doesn't mean
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: finishing second, third, or fourth. That doesn't mean winning ninety games.
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  Speaker 2: You gotta win. You gotta win. You gotta be able
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  Speaker 2: to pop champagne. You gotta be able to hold up trophies.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, great stuff.
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  Speaker 5: JB.
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