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Feeling Into Our Aliveness with Jacquie Compton · The Trauma Therapist

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Speaker 1: a show about the incredible people dedicated to helping those
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Speaker 1: who experienced trauma. My name is got macpherson and my
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Speaker 1: mission is to raise awareness of trauma and to inspire
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Speaker 1: each of us to help those around us. You ready,
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Speaker 1: all right, here we go, So five or three, two
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Speaker 1: and one are folks? Welcome back. I am very excited
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Speaker 1: to have back. Jackie Compton. Jackie, welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me so lovely awesome. So.
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Speaker 1: Jackie has worked in the field of trauma and the
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Speaker 1: violence against women sector in Toronto for over eleven years,
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Speaker 1: beginning her career in the Caribbean with women and children
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Speaker 1: who are experience violence. She's been over five years as
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Speaker 1: an art therapist at the YMCA Toronto's Breakthrough Program, and
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Speaker 1: she's worked at the Barbara Schiffler Commemorative Clinic for the
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Speaker 1: past five years. At the clinic, she's held such roles
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Speaker 1: as therapists, advocate, manager, and director of Counseling Services, where
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Speaker 1: she led staff and developed innovative trauma programs. Jackie teaches
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Speaker 1: at the Toronto Art Therapy Institute and as a trainer
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Speaker 1: with the Censor Remoter Psychotherapy Institute. Jackie, welcome back, very again,
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Speaker 1: very excited to hear. Look, last time I talked to you,
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Speaker 1: I got off the call and I was like God
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Speaker 1: to have this person back. You know, just love your energy,
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Speaker 1: your passion. And even before we were, you know, doing
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Speaker 1: an interview here, I asked you what you've been working
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Speaker 1: on and you said, you do a lot of work
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Speaker 1: around who the therapist is. And that's I love that.
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Speaker 1: Going to get into that, but before we do, reminder listeners,
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Speaker 1: where you're from originally and where you are currently?
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Speaker 2: Yes, so I grew up on the island of Somethnusha
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Speaker 2: and I now live in Toronto, Toronto, Canada.
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Speaker 1: Okay, now forgive my innocence. Where's that island that is
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Speaker 1: in the west?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Cool? Cool? Yeah, all right, So let's start off here.
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Speaker 1: For those listeners, maybe if you can catch your the
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Speaker 1: first interview, give us a bring us up to speed.
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Speaker 1: How did you get into this field?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I started off exploring and studying art therapy,
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Speaker 2: so I was really curious about other ways that transcend language,
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Speaker 2: other ways of expression, and so for me, that really
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Speaker 2: also brought this beautiful, loving relationship to understanding our soma
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Speaker 2: and working in somatics and we're here with the body
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Speaker 2: and just the beautiful layers of dialogue that can emerge
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Speaker 2: through creative expression. That it's like, there's the liveness to it,
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Speaker 2: and it's It's always been an interest to me. So
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Speaker 2: I grew up with a family of artists, and I
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Speaker 2: always was really curious about like us as humans, our stories,
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Speaker 2: our layers. And so that's where I started in art
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Speaker 2: therapy and now also doing somatics, so doing sensory motor
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Speaker 2: which is like my my love for sure.
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Speaker 1: So this this interest and passion for art and everything
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Speaker 1: around it. In a sense, how did the desire to
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Speaker 1: work as a therapist, how did that come into play?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Ever since I was a teenager, I knew I
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Speaker 3: sort of wanted to do something around understanding.
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Speaker 2: Folks and understanding stories and getting into the depths of that.
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Speaker 2: And so I knew that I wanted to study some
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Speaker 2: form of psychotherapy, and I didn't know it was going
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Speaker 2: to be art therapy, but I'm so glad it was
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Speaker 2: because it opened up another avenue that wasn't rigid, that
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Speaker 2: was really dynamic, and that's what moved me into really
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Speaker 2: wanting to do trauma work, to find other ways of
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Speaker 2: processing and other ways that have a felt sense of collaboration.
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Speaker 2: The something about art making, it's like folks are going
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Speaker 2: to go where they need to go, whether they know
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Speaker 2: it consciously or unconsciously. So there isn't this There can
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Speaker 2: be a gentle push within, but it doesn't. We don't
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Speaker 2: to know or make meaning of what's happening before we
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Speaker 2: like sit in that therapy chair. The process is how
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Speaker 2: the meaning emerges, and maybe that new meaning it's more
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Speaker 2: in alignment with what we desire.
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Speaker 4: You know, where did this uh love in a sense
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Speaker 4: for understanding us as humans come from our stories?
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Speaker 1: Where did how did that emerge? Ever?
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Speaker 2: Since I was a little girl, and I would say
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Speaker 2: like it started it started in nature, It started with
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Speaker 2: my imagination and I think also just like lived experiences
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Speaker 2: of trauma. But there's just so much mystery in awe
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Speaker 2: in our world and universe that I'm I was also
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Speaker 2: just so in awe of us as humans, like like
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Speaker 2: us as earthlings and just really a desire and longing
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Speaker 2: to explore and get to know and be impacted by
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Speaker 2: people's stories and support folks and maybe getting to know
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Speaker 2: there and the story that's like really in alignment with
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Speaker 2: who they long to be.
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Speaker 1: That, I mean, that's so vital, not just for I
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Speaker 1: think us, for humans, but for working with people who've
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Speaker 1: been impacted by trauma. You're you know where you're coming from.
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Speaker 1: Your approach, it feels like it's a very seasoned approach.
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Speaker 1: You know, it feels like it's born out of a
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Speaker 1: lot of experience. I mean, obviously you're a young woman.
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Speaker 1: You know, this feels to me like you've had years
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Speaker 1: and decades of experience and and you realize that it's
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Speaker 1: not just you know, interventions and the importance of interventions
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Speaker 1: and technique and knowledge, but it's so much of it
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Speaker 1: working and engaging and healing is about the relationship. Were
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Speaker 1: just born like this.
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Speaker 2: I know you will, you know, Like when when I
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Speaker 2: think about it now, and I've been like practicing for
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Speaker 2: like almost like eighteen years, and it's still I'm still
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Speaker 2: feel still so curious and I'm sort of like always
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Speaker 2: wanting to learn, and I learn every day, and I
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Speaker 2: get pulled by different ways of thinking. And but that
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Speaker 2: word a tieman. I remember when I first like actually
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Speaker 2: understood it, And when I say understood it, I like
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Speaker 2: felt it, like the feeling of it, feeling of attument,
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Speaker 2: hearing it, smelling it almost.
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Speaker 1: Would you define a tunement for us?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So for me it has many different layers. So
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Speaker 2: I feel like it comes from these waters of this
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Speaker 2: ancient wisdom that's inherent in all of us, that place
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Speaker 2: of being connected maybe to histories that we embody and
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Speaker 2: be able to quality a presence, a being with and
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Speaker 2: I think of it as as music. You know that
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Speaker 2: it has a harmony and it also knows how to harmonize,
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Speaker 2: and so there's like a tuning in. So what a tunement?
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Speaker 2: When I think about it, it is like that that tuning
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Speaker 2: in is is a being with, like being with others
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Speaker 2: and attuned like the connection is not just like Okay,
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Speaker 2: I hear what the person is saying and I understand
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Speaker 2: and I acknowledge yes, yes, cognitively yes, but that it's
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Speaker 2: a it's a being with and it's a feeling and
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Speaker 2: a trusting in allowing what is unfolding in the dynamic
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Speaker 2: in the moment in the relationship, whatever that is, whether
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Speaker 2: that's with nature or others, that there's this beautiful cultivation
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Speaker 2: of relationship happening, that we're feeling each other, that we're
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Speaker 2: with one another and we don't know what's going to
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Speaker 2: happen or unfold, but there's a trusting in it. And
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Speaker 2: so that attunement for me is another language too, of
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Speaker 2: feeling into the layers of what someone's saying, the layers
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Speaker 2: of what their bodies are saying. And I think that
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Speaker 2: was something that I was connected to at a really
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Speaker 2: young age, and now it's like, oh, right, it's something
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Speaker 2: that maybe was I didn't really question it because it
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Speaker 2: was just my way of being. But now I'm like, oh,
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Speaker 2: there's this thing. So I remember studying this thing and
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Speaker 2: I was like, what is that? But it's not it's
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Speaker 2: not going to make full sense because it transcends language,
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Speaker 2: so it's going to be an experience. But that attunement
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Speaker 2: is now for me connected to, like I would say,
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Speaker 2: newer ways of practicing where the therapists can reveal and
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Speaker 2: maybe show up in their in their authenticity, in their
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Speaker 2: authentic self that they are impacted, that they are part of.
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Speaker 2: And I think that's a part of attainment. I kind
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Speaker 2: of think about, like how how what would that be
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Speaker 2: like to have therapists sitting in chair and client lying
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Speaker 2: on couch and not having that in that relations.
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Speaker 1: The antithesis of that, Yeah, it's don't go near that.
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Speaker 1: When Okay, So when did you realize or when did
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Speaker 1: you say to yourself, I want to work with people
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Speaker 1: who've experienced trauma because that's a heavy thing. Yes it is,
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Speaker 1: I not not, I mean question about it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So when I was studying art therapy, we had
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Speaker 2: a you know, of course, was like okay, so where
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Speaker 2: do you want to do your placements? Where do you
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Speaker 2: want to do your practicum your internships? And I was like, okay,
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Speaker 2: I think I want to work with women maybe children.
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Speaker 2: That was like my thought. I was like thinking like that,
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Speaker 2: And then I saw I had an interview for Actually
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Speaker 2: I was a student at Barbish Life for Clinic. That's
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Speaker 2: where I did one of my practicans. So working doing
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Speaker 2: an art therapy group, a trauma group, and I was
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Speaker 2: interviewed for it. The night before this interview, I went
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Speaker 2: to a social action project opening and it was those
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Speaker 2: that identified as women shared their story through ceramics through Clay.
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Speaker 2: So it was a twelve week group and they moved
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Speaker 2: through this group very intensely to share their story and
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Speaker 2: then to share it with the public. So they did
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Speaker 2: these amazing, wondrous pieces, and opening night they shared song, dance,
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Speaker 2: maybe just presented you know, their artist statement and it
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Speaker 2: was incredible. And that evening, I'm standing in this gallery
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Speaker 2: and this woman comes up to start sharing piece of
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Speaker 2: her story and her journey of working with the Clay,
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Speaker 2: and it felt like a boulder was thrown right into
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Speaker 2: my gut, like heavy, and then like I think my
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Speaker 2: hearing went. I think my colleagues like, are you okay.
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Speaker 2: I'm like no, I think I'm in a faint. He
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Speaker 2: takes me outside and I was like, I can't do
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Speaker 2: that work. There's no way, Like I can't even like
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Speaker 2: stand here in this space. I'm feeling too much. I
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Speaker 2: was like, I can't do this. There's no way I
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Speaker 2: can do trauma work.
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Speaker 1: No way.
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Speaker 2: So the next morning I go to my interview ready
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Speaker 2: prepare to tell you know, my supervisor that I'm like,
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Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm really need to do this
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Speaker 2: interview because I don't think this is a good idea,
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Speaker 2: this is what happened to me, And she said, Oh,
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Speaker 2: you are exactly where you're meant to be. This is
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Speaker 2: just this is for you, this is the right work.
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Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my god, okay, but it
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Speaker 2: was just the way she said it, and she is
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Speaker 2: now a dear friend of mine. The way she said it,
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Speaker 2: I was like, oh no, I have to do this
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Speaker 2: because my fear was I'm feeling too much. And then
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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, you need to get to know
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Speaker 2: this feeling too much. She sort of just got to,
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Speaker 2: you know, learn about it so you can figure out
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Speaker 2: how to really connect with it. It's kind of like
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Speaker 2: I think of that uh Storm from X Men, so Superheroes.
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Speaker 2: Storm has the ability to control weather, and so when
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Speaker 2: she first like connects with this ability, you know, she
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Speaker 2: gets angry. There's like a tornado or if something happens
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Speaker 2: there's you know, it's like oh no, It's like, oh no,
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Speaker 2: I don't. I didn't need to. But then in time
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Speaker 2: she got to like really understand her her own language
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Speaker 2: and her gift. And I'm so glad that I got
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Speaker 2: to understand my own language and ways I connect and
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Speaker 2: tune into the world.
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Speaker 1: Man all human, you know, that's an amazing story. I mean,
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Speaker 1: just it's funny because when you said, you know, you
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Speaker 1: felt this giant boulder come crashing into your gut, I
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Speaker 1: thought you were going to say and I read that,
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Speaker 1: but at that point I realized this is my thing.
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Speaker 1: But you're like, no, I needed to get out of there.
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Speaker 1: I can't handle this. But wow, that is so amazing.
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Speaker 1: And that supervisor she sounds amazing too to be able
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Speaker 1: to recognize that in you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was so lucky to have this most
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Speaker 2: incredible mentor supervisor now friend, because it actually and this
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Speaker 2: is how I teach trauma now. It's like, trauma doesn't
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Speaker 2: need to be it doesn't need to hurt all the
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Speaker 2: time when we're doing that work. It doesn't don't It
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Speaker 2: doesn't mean I don't have to like go through extreme pain.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 2: I think about a lot of my clients are like, Okay,
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Speaker 2: I'm ready, let's do this. There's like a bracing and
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Speaker 2: it's like oof, you know, like I feel like it's
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Speaker 2: such a prescribed understanding of trauma. And yes, it is
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Speaker 2: so hard and it is like out of this world,
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Speaker 2: you know, experiences that people have that we have as humans.
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Speaker 2: But also the work is I don't even know that
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Speaker 2: it's it's so deeply powerful and connects us to like
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Speaker 2: our humanness because we are all part of that. We
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Speaker 2: have all in some way experienced trauma, whether it's directly
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Speaker 2: or collectively. It's a part of our humanness, and so
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Speaker 2: I always hope as to do It's like, I have
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Speaker 2: such a joy of trauma work because there's ways that
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Speaker 2: it can be accessible and makes sense and not feel
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Speaker 2: overwhelming or re traumatizing. You know that it can actually
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Speaker 2: be expansive and.
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Speaker 1: Be specific, because I think you know our listeners and
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Speaker 1: listeners may may be thinking, come on, Jackie, maybe for you,
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Speaker 1: but not for me when you say be specific, what
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Speaker 1: are some of those ways that it can be maybe
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Speaker 1: more expansive or liberating.
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Speaker 2: I think that's through avenues that go beyond language. I
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Speaker 2: think it's through avenues that go beyond just our cognition
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Speaker 2: or our emotions. It's like really leaning into the wholeness
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Speaker 2: of our experiences and understanding and getting to know that
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Speaker 2: the profound magic of our bodies, like its abilities, and
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Speaker 2: ways we can give space for that to be processed.
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Speaker 2: The you know, like our trauma response in our bodies,
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Speaker 2: like that experience of being stuck in an arousal state
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Speaker 2: is is so incredibly painful and overwhelming, and it's not
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Speaker 2: something we can talk our way out of, you know,
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Speaker 2: it's not something that we can talk our way out
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Speaker 2: of that state. We can understand that, but it's getting
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Speaker 2: to maybe through other experiences. So I think about like
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Speaker 2: art and movement and working with the body to allow
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Speaker 2: actions that didn't get to happen to be completed, experiences
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Speaker 2: that mist to be met, where new information can unfold.
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Speaker 2: Like the magic of our bodies is that it has
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Speaker 2: such an impulse naturally to evolve and grow, expand, and
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Speaker 2: when that gets truncated, it's painful because there's a knowing
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Speaker 2: of like, wait a minute, there's something else that wants
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Speaker 2: to happen here, but it's just not happening. And like
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Speaker 2: that's often like for me in my experience, that's often
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Speaker 2: like where the pain comes from, because it's like there's
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Speaker 2: this thing that wants to happen but it can't, and
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Speaker 2: like how am I going to make this thing happen?
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Speaker 2: But we can't think of it because we have to
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Speaker 2: let that. My favorite thing, like that organicity of things
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Speaker 2: unfold and getting to know what our organicity is and
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Speaker 2: it kind of goes back to that experience that I
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Speaker 2: had where I was like I can't do this like
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Speaker 2: that intensity because I was feeling too much. And it's
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Speaker 2: actually really scary to feel into our aliveness when it's
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Speaker 2: been maybe protected for so long, because I'm going to
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Speaker 2: feel and feeling is is intense, no matter what feeling
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Speaker 2: it is, you know. I think in sessions of clients,
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Speaker 2: it's like, you know, we get to that place where
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Speaker 2: it's like an experience of joy and it's like oh
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Speaker 2: and then it's like, oh, this joy is overwhelming. It's
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Speaker 2: like yeah, that makes sense. So it's like, let's find
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Speaker 2: you know, the volume that's sustainable and nourishing just through
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Speaker 2: this moment for now. You boys think that has to
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Speaker 2: be big, you know, it's like extreme joy or like
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Speaker 2: you know, extreme calm. It's like that's so that's so
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Speaker 2: like can just be so decentering, you know, but it's like, oh,
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Speaker 2: like what it's nourishing today for now, in this moment
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Speaker 2: and then in time, like you know, that can shift
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Speaker 2: and change. Like some days like you're like, yeah, you
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Speaker 2: want a big breakfast, and other days you're like just
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Speaker 2: like oh, just want this and that's how we are.
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Speaker 2: It's like, what's within our desired nourishment and capacity right here,
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Speaker 2: right now, this moment today.
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Speaker 1: You know, let me remind everyone I'm speaking with Jackie Compton.
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Speaker 1: Website is the ground Aheart dot com. So as we
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Speaker 1: kind of wind down here, we have time. But as
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Speaker 1: we kind of move into the latter part of this discussion,
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Speaker 1: you said something earlier that I want to talk about,
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Speaker 1: and you said you really value how we meaning therapists
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Speaker 1: show up and you work in that space a lot.
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Speaker 1: Talk to us about that. What does that mean for you?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's beginning to mean so much.
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Speaker 2: And it's funny because it's rooted in an experience I
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Speaker 2: had in doing my placements. So like there's always like
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Speaker 2: you know, when you first started, it's like, oh okay,
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Speaker 2: yes that makes sense. And so I'm having like a
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Speaker 2: session with a client and she says to me, can
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Speaker 2: you just stop therapizing me? And can you just be
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Speaker 2: a real human being? Okay? I was like, oh okay, oh,
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Speaker 2: oh okay, be myself And that was so profound for me.
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Speaker 2: You started therapizing me, Can you just be a human being?
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Speaker 2: Can you just be you?
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Speaker 1: That's amazing that that client said that it was incredible, Yeah, because.
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Speaker 2: I was so scared to get it wrong, not do
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Speaker 2: it right. There's like all these biases and assumptions of
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Speaker 2: how I thought I needed to be and so something
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Speaker 2: that I am for myself and then share with others,
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Speaker 2: like in supervisions and consultations. It's the curiosity of like,
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Speaker 2: who are you being? Who am I being? And is
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Speaker 2: it in alignment? Is how I desire to be in
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Speaker 2: this world? And with that, what's your ethos? What are
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Speaker 2: your principles, what do you value? What is your work
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Speaker 2: rooted in, and what do you care about? And getting
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Speaker 2: curious about that moment by moment and how I'm showing
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Speaker 2: up with my client and that Jackie me therapist is
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Speaker 2: going to be the same Jackie as mama, as daughter,
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Speaker 2: as instructor, as artists, as student. Yes, as you know, like,
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to be any different sitting with my
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Speaker 2: clients than I am that person that is partner or
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Speaker 2: mother or friends.
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Speaker 1: Why explain to us why that is so important? Because
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking maybe some people are listening saying, well, but
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Speaker 1: I am different when I'm with my when I'm with
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Speaker 1: my clients, I'm a professional. Yeah, I'm right, I'm a
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Speaker 1: therapist or a coach or whatever. What do you say
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Speaker 1: to that?
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Speaker 2: I say, yes, But are you showing up in your authenticity?
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Speaker 2: Are you able to be grounded and rooted in your
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Speaker 2: own vulnerability? Because when we experience those in that tunes
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Speaker 2: or that transference, that's inevitable in all relationships, but they
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Speaker 2: really show up in that therapy space because we're like
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Speaker 2: tuned into that, it's going to require us to be
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Speaker 2: vulnerable to be open. For me to be open, I
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Speaker 2: have to show up as needs so that I can
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Speaker 2: be impacted by my client because that's going to give
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Speaker 2: me some information. Now, do I share like details of
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Speaker 2: my story when the client's sharing something and I'm like, oh,
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Speaker 2: I know that story, me too, me too, me too?
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Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like, yeah, me too. But
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Speaker 2: I might say something like yeah, as you speak right now,
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Speaker 2: my heart, really my heart feels heavy with yours. What
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Speaker 2: happens when you hear me say that? So it's not
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Speaker 2: like I'm sharing you know the details of this happy
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Speaker 2: heart that's happening right here right now is clients speaking,
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Speaker 2: But it's like in relationship, it's like, yeah, what happens
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Speaker 2: for you? You know, sometimes there's tears that roll down
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Speaker 2: my face as client shares, and it's there, it's explicit,
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Speaker 2: and I share you know as you speak, I moved tears.
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Speaker 2: What's that like for you to notice right here? You're
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Speaker 2: really here with me? Yeah? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Wow? So you this is this subject? Is it for me?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Is it? Yeah? It's for for many reasons. And we
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Speaker 1: could do a whole other episode on this. But do
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Speaker 1: you offer uh supervision for other therapists consultation rather for
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Speaker 1: other therapists?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we do. Individual groups are fun because we get
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Speaker 2: right in there through like I'm working with our bodies
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Speaker 2: and working through creative expression. To get cheerous about that,
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Speaker 2: like who am I being.
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Speaker 1: Now? In your experience? What are some of the hesitancies
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Speaker 1: that maybe some therapists come up against when around this topic,
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Speaker 1: because I know, for me, when I first started out
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Speaker 1: and I was on the track to becoming a therapist,
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Speaker 1: you know, I was like, you know, you have this
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Speaker 1: degree and you have all this knowledge, and what do
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Speaker 1: you mean you want me to be a human be Yes,
27:52
Speaker 1: I'm a human being, but I'm I'm a therapist. Then
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Speaker 1: you know you out in this way and what do
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Speaker 1: you experience? What do you see or notice that some
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Speaker 1: therapists have when they come up against this top black.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, relief sometimes because I guess like to speak about
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Speaker 2: like when I say Ethos too, it's like it's really
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Speaker 2: rooted for me and social justice work and decolonizing therapy.
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Speaker 2: So often there's like a relief because all of a sudden,
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Speaker 2: there's like all this information that we can get curious about.
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Speaker 2: That's maybe we're experiencing through our bodies. You know. It's like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I have this client and they're you know, they're so angry,
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Speaker 2: they're so resistant, and I always get curious. It's like, okay,
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Speaker 2: so you experience the client is angry and you're experiencing
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Speaker 2: for yourself this sense of resistance. That client isn't resistant,
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Speaker 2: but you're experiencing something. You're getting some information that feels
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Speaker 2: like resistance. Huh, and they're like beesis. Yeah. Yeah. So
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Speaker 2: like tuning in to ourselves and getting curious about like
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Speaker 2: how I'm being with an experience or the story that's
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Speaker 2: being expressed through clients' body or narrative. It's like, oh
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Speaker 2: yeah that as a client's sharing. It's it's like I
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Speaker 2: I've had the same experiences there, so I don't know
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Speaker 2: what to do it that it's like, oh, like all
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Speaker 2: of a sudden, we get some information about this resistance
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Speaker 2: rather than like client resistant, you know, because we're a
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Speaker 2: part of this dynamic and to separate us out, we're
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Speaker 2: losing all this like really beautiful information and threads of
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Speaker 2: wisdom that might be coming through us and that we
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Speaker 2: can like use that and be connected. And like I
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Speaker 2: think about enactments, you know, where these where are so
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Speaker 2: stories are coming up against another person's stories as projections
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Speaker 2: are happening, and they're interacting unconsciously under the waters. And
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Speaker 2: if we can meet those oh and it's hard and
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Speaker 2: it requires such vulnerability. It just it's like this invitation
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Speaker 2: to go deeper. So all of a sudden, it's like
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Speaker 2: we go from one level in the work and then
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Speaker 2: all of a sudden we go a bit deeper. And
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Speaker 2: then we can get comfortable kind of maybe with curiosity
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Speaker 2: naming the implicit that might be happening in the session.
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Speaker 2: That's like, you know, there's something that's like really powerful
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Speaker 2: with that. But to do that, I think it requires
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Speaker 2: me to show up as me, because then I'm I'm
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Speaker 2: going to miss out on some like what's happening and
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Speaker 2: hearing it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you offer workshops in this yeah, okay, let's
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Speaker 1: talk about that. When who Yeah? Yeah, when and who?
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Speaker 2: So I have a so it's a workshop like program.
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Speaker 2: It's like an online kind of exploration. So folks get
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Speaker 2: to do that and then we meet live like have
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Speaker 2: these live circles sessions. And it's called Restorative Acts of
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Speaker 2: Care and that starts in the next round starts in September,
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Speaker 2: and it's soome.
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Speaker 1: And it's for for therapists.
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Speaker 2: A therapists. For therapists is for like folks that are
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Speaker 2: in care professions okay, workers or there's some like somatic coaches.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. And the goal or objective for this workshop
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Speaker 1: is what.
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Speaker 2: To really like deepen into skills of trauma work but
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Speaker 2: through this, through that lens, and also deepening into called
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Speaker 2: beating relationship with their creative selves and their bodies.
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Speaker 1: Sounds amazing. How do people learn about this?
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Speaker 2: They can go to my website, okay, at the Groundedheart
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Speaker 2: dot com.
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Speaker 1: Okay, the Grounded Heart dot com and we'll have that
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Speaker 1: link up here at the show notes page at the
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Speaker 1: Trauma Diapers podcast dot com. Jackie, come on, you are
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Speaker 1: friggin incredible and that's why I happ you back here.
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Speaker 1: Love it. Let's talk to you all day about this.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: Thank you well, Okay bye domman Sa