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Death on Instagram, cruise ship murder mystery & adopted kids abuse · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Serious x M Triumph
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Speaker 1: Channel one two. A teenager accused of live streaming a
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Speaker 1: deadly crash and the aftermath showing her sister's lifeless body
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Speaker 1: will remain in jail for now. Abdulia Sanchez, student in
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Speaker 1: front of a her said county judge asking to either
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Speaker 1: be released or have her bell reduced from five hundred
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Speaker 1: sixty dollars. The defenses the bill is too much for
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Speaker 1: an eighteen year old in foster care. This bill is
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Speaker 1: successive for her. The judge did not reduce the bill.
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Speaker 1: Sanchez is accused of killing her fourteen year old sister Carter.
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Speaker 1: Documents say Sanchez cursed off the officers, spit at them,
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Speaker 1: kicked an empty in the face. The public defender said
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Speaker 1: his client was calling for help when the camera wasn't rolling.
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Speaker 1: She's on the phone with nine on one when she's
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Speaker 1: trying to flag down people on the road who are
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Speaker 1: not stopping for her. I killed my sister, but I
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Speaker 1: don't care. I killed my sister, but I don't effing care.
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Speaker 1: Those are the words of a young woman now suspected
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Speaker 1: of live streaming repeat live streaming as it happened. The
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Speaker 1: horrific moment, she crashes her car, leaving her fourteen year
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Speaker 1: old little sister dead. The sister flies through the back
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Speaker 1: window lands out in a field. I killed my sister
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Speaker 1: and I don't effing care. And that's just the tip
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Speaker 1: of the iceberg. I don't go on. My sister is
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Speaker 1: effing dying. Look, I effing loved my sister to death,
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Speaker 1: but I don't give an f man. If I go
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Speaker 1: to effing jail for life, you already know why, And
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Speaker 1: then adjusting the camera so it shows her motionless sister
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Speaker 1: bleeding from the head. I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Oh yes, don't you
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Speaker 1: know it? Then she was in court crying because her
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Speaker 1: bail was not reduced with me special guests from daily
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Speaker 1: mail dot Com Shawn Walsh and renowned psychologists out of
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Speaker 1: New York Karen Stark. First to Sean Walsh, she lives
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Speaker 1: shamed it to what Instagram? That's right, Nancy to Instagram.
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Speaker 1: As you know, no one should be live streaming or
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Speaker 1: using their phones while they're driving. But in this case
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Speaker 1: that Dulia Sanchez had her phone up, was dancing around,
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Speaker 1: her hands were off the steering wheel was drunk. She
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Speaker 1: was drunk drunk when suddenly she overcorrects, loses control, the
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Speaker 1: car flips and her sister and her sister's girlfriend are
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Speaker 1: thrown from the car, with her sister being killed. Instantly, horrible,
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Speaker 1: horrible visuals have emerged from the scene and they show
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Speaker 1: fourteen year old Jacqueline's body strowne. They're on the floor,
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Speaker 1: the other girl in the car waving her hand for
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Speaker 1: help while Abdulia closes in for her close up on camera.
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Speaker 1: The sisters dying. The other little girl is waving her
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Speaker 1: friend girl is waving for help, and instead of calling one,
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Speaker 1: instead of doing any CPR anything, she turns to her
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Speaker 1: camera and starts live streaming on Instagram. What does that
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Speaker 1: mean to live stream on Instagram? Shaun Walt films on
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Speaker 1: your social media account, especially Instagram or Snapchat, you can
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Speaker 1: go live and when you go live, you are broadcasting
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Speaker 1: to all of your followers. Now, Delia Sanchez had over
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Speaker 1: seven thousand followers, so if you've got the alert saying
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Speaker 1: she was live, you would have watched this tragic accident unfold.
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Speaker 1: Now I've been like the hundreds of thousands of other
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Speaker 1: people who have now watched this video online and what
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Speaker 1: you saw on there was horrific and chilling because as
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Speaker 1: she's out of the car, she's looking at her sister.
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Speaker 1: She's zooming in on her sister. She's trying to wake
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Speaker 1: her sister, and she's saying she's died. And she said,
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Speaker 1: like she's died, I don't care, Come on, wake up,
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Speaker 1: wake up, wake up. She's not waking up. And everyone
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Speaker 1: who was watching her social media account will have seen this,
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Speaker 1: and it's terrific. California Highway and Patrol says that do
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Speaker 1: you drive in the car it veers onto the right
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Speaker 1: shoulder of the road doing hundred in twenty about a
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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty miles southeast of San Francisco, speeding, speeding. Now,
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Speaker 1: she was wearing a seatbelt, so she wasn't hurt. Not
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Speaker 1: true for the others. She was absolutely d u I
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Speaker 1: driving under the influence. I've taken a look look at her.
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Speaker 1: I've taken a look at the same thing her followers
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Speaker 1: on Facebook and Instagram have I see the shot of
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Speaker 1: her pulling a Kardashian with the pursed lips, holding what
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Speaker 1: looks to be a semi automatic weapon in her hand,
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Speaker 1: in her manicured hands, and then I see a picture
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Speaker 1: of her, still posting from the hospital bed, in a
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Speaker 1: neck brace and a breathing apparatus on looking in the camera,
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Speaker 1: clearly taking a selfie. Karen Stark with me, Karen Stark,
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Speaker 1: renowned psychologist out of New York, in the hospital bed.
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Speaker 1: She's taking selfies and posting it on Instagram. Karen, help me.
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Speaker 1: It's it's totally narcissistic Nancy. She has no feeling about
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Speaker 1: her sister or anyone else but herself, and she believes
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Speaker 1: that it's important for the world to see her, to
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Speaker 1: know who she is. She doesn't care that she takes
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Speaker 1: her hands off the steering wheel while she's driving. It's
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Speaker 1: it's all about, you know, look what I'm doing. Now,
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Speaker 1: see me. I'm singing, I look great. And when her
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Speaker 1: sister is actually dead, as you can tell, there's no
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Speaker 1: emotion whatsoever. She's saying, sweetie, wake up, but there's no
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Speaker 1: feeling and she's already defending, well, I killed her, and
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Speaker 1: you know, I guess we'll all go. You know, I'll die,
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Speaker 1: I'll be in jail, no caring. She's saying, I'm not sorry,
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Speaker 1: I effing killed my sister and I'm not sorry, that's
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Speaker 1: what she said. And as her sister is dying, she's
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Speaker 1: videoing it like some ghoul sucking the life out of
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Speaker 1: her little sister who's just fourteen years old, and live
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Speaker 1: streaming it. People were so shock Sean Walsh, they couldn't
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Speaker 1: believe it. They recorded it because they couldn't believe it
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Speaker 1: was real. Is that true, Sean, Nancy? True? People thought
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Speaker 1: this was some sort of skit joke. They couldn't believe
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Speaker 1: it what they were seeing live on their social media
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Speaker 1: account was actually happening. Now, since it was initially broadcast live,
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Speaker 1: it's now been watched over seven hundred thousand times by
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Speaker 1: people right around the world who can't believe this actually happened.
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Speaker 1: You know what's amazing to me is that it was
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Speaker 1: so shocking that people actually recorded it. They couldn't believe
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Speaker 1: it was real because you just don't see someone like that.
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Speaker 1: You don't see somebody who has absolutely no empathy. That's
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Speaker 1: part of why they had this disbelief that this could
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Speaker 1: actually happen. What were you saying, Sean, It's just chilling, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: When you look at this video, you're shocked by the
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Speaker 1: lack of emotion that this girl has you would expect
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Speaker 1: if you killed your siblings would be beyond distraught. But
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Speaker 1: it's so emotionless. It looks like something out of the
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Speaker 1: Blair Witch Project. What do you mean by that? Well,
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Speaker 1: if the movie Blair Witch Project, the kids get lost
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Speaker 1: in the forest and they're like concerned and freaked out
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Speaker 1: and the camera is shaky and rocking around. And the
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Speaker 1: first thing I thought when I saw this was it
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Speaker 1: looks like a movie. It looks like a chilling, calculating
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Speaker 1: character that's in a movie that's killed someone and shows
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Speaker 1: no emotion. And that's what I thought of as soon
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Speaker 1: as I saw this video. I'm looking at the picture
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Speaker 1: that she sent from the hospital. I mean that that's
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Speaker 1: it's crazy that she's in the hospital. Did she know
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Speaker 1: at the time of that photo, Sean, was that her
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Speaker 1: sister was dead while she's taking selfies of herself in
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Speaker 1: the hospital bands trapped up to oxygen. I believe she did,
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Speaker 1: I mean, because she says on that video, I killed
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Speaker 1: my sister, but I don't care. And I think the
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Speaker 1: uploading of those selfies shows that, look, she really didn't care.
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Speaker 1: California Highway Patrol races to the scene and I'm looking
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Speaker 1: at it right now. The car rolled over a barbed
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Speaker 1: wire fence and onto a field. It's about a dred
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Speaker 1: and twenty miles, as I told, just southeast of San Francisco,
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Speaker 1: and the car is crushed and mangled. The car you
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Speaker 1: can tell it was in a rollover. Where were the
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Speaker 1: different people sitting? Um this, I believe just correctly that
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Speaker 1: they were both sitting in the back seat because they
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Speaker 1: both flew out the back window. They flew out the
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Speaker 1: back window. But now, wait a minute, wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: I thought, Now, the little girl that died, the fourteen
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Speaker 1: year old little sister, did she die in the car?
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Speaker 1: I mean, what I'm trying to get at is, did
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Speaker 1: the defendant actually get out of the car and walk
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Speaker 1: over to where her sister was lying. The sister was
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Speaker 1: flown through the back window of the car as the
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Speaker 1: car as the car was rolling. She then got out
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Speaker 1: of the car and she was down by her sister's
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Speaker 1: body filming this video. That's what makes it so Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you're right. The little girl was thrown through the back
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Speaker 1: window of the car and she gets out. Dulia gets
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Speaker 1: out and walks to where her little sister is and
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Speaker 1: starts videoing. Okay, this is what I know. All of
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Speaker 1: that goes down. She goes to the hospital she knew
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Speaker 1: her sister was dead, and continues posting to Instagram. Karen start,
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Speaker 1: what what is that desire? What like? Is it goes
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Speaker 1: back to the old adage of a tree falls in
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Speaker 1: the forest and nobody hears it doesn't really happen. Is
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Speaker 1: it like, if you're not on Instagram or Facebook or Snapchat,
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Speaker 1: it really didn't happen. Is that the mentality? I think
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Speaker 1: she knows it happened, But it's more a mentality Nancy
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Speaker 1: of wanting everyone to know what's going on in her life.
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Speaker 1: For her, it's a story and it has it's not
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Speaker 1: um set in reality. It's a story that she's living
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Speaker 1: for the rest of the world so they can see
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Speaker 1: these things that are happening to her. There's no real
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Speaker 1: empathy or feelings attached to what she's doing. It could
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Speaker 1: be a movie and the footage has received nearly a
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Speaker 1: million views. Nearly a million views. What I'm trying to
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Speaker 1: figure out You're saying there was no empathy whatsoever. But
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Speaker 1: when she was in court she was crying and sobbing
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Speaker 1: because the judge refused to lower her bond. What do
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Speaker 1: we know about that? Seawan Watt. So she appears in
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Speaker 1: court and rather than mimicking how she appeared on video,
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Speaker 1: she shows extreme empathy. She's crying, she's begging for the
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Speaker 1: judge to reduce her bond from five hundred and sixty
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Speaker 1: thou dollars. She pleads not guilty to multiple charges of
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Speaker 1: gross vehicular manslaughter and d uy And this is a
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Speaker 1: on now that appears sad as she faces the reality
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Speaker 1: of up to thirteen years and eight months and stay
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Speaker 1: prison if convicted for what she has done. Crying, sobbing,
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Speaker 1: you name it. Now, she's crying. At the time, all
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Speaker 1: she wanted to do was appear on Instagram. So what
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Speaker 1: is she charged with right now? Sean Walt. So she's
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Speaker 1: charged with gross vehicular manslaughter and driving under the influence.
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Speaker 1: Her blood alcohol was a point one percent. Now for
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Speaker 1: those under twenty one, anything over point zero one percent
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Speaker 1: is illegal in California. And remember it's point zero eight
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Speaker 1: percent for adults. Now we also have to remember that
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Speaker 1: she has a previous conviction for reckless driving at the
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Speaker 1: age of fourteen. Let's go to the lines first to
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Speaker 1: Lou Hi, Lou, what's your question? Nancy First of all,
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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for your show and all
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Speaker 1: that you do for the victims. I do have a question.
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Speaker 1: This has been very interesting to listen to, and my
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Speaker 1: question is how did the police find out about this video? Well,
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Speaker 1: you stay with me. Just one moment Sean was joining
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Speaker 1: us along with Karen Stark. Shaan was wash from daily
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Speaker 1: mail dot com. So all these people that the video
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Speaker 1: has now been viewed seven hundred thousand times and counting.
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Speaker 1: But how did police find out about it? Sean? People
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Speaker 1: told them. I mean they saw this on their Instagram
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Speaker 1: and they let people know that, they let the authorities know.
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Speaker 1: And I think that's very important for people when you're
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Speaker 1: on these social media accounts and people will do anything
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Speaker 1: to be noticed these days. If you see something that
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Speaker 1: looks to be not normal or illegal, film it with
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Speaker 1: the phone it, take the evidence down and notify the authorities.
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Speaker 1: That way they can step in and do something. And
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Speaker 1: they were able to get to the same people thought
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Speaker 1: it was so bizarre, Lou that they actually contact police.
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Speaker 1: Now this let me let me ask you a question,
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Speaker 1: Lou calling in Luke. Are you on Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat,
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Speaker 1: any of that. Yes, I am Nancy. I'm on Facebook
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Speaker 1: and also Instagram. So if you're like me, I see
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Speaker 1: crazy photos, I see crazy stories, and I always take
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Speaker 1: them with a box of sault. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: it's real or not, but these people see this girl
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Speaker 1: Abdulia video ing as her little sister, just fourteen dies,
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Speaker 1: instead of calling nine one one, instead of giving CPR, Lou,
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Speaker 1: she videos it live, streaming it to Instagram. Now, can
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Speaker 1: I ask you if you were on that jury and
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Speaker 1: you learned that, what would you think? The little girl
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Speaker 1: had flown through the back window and was lying. It's
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Speaker 1: not like she was even in the car. The driver
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Speaker 1: had to get out of the car, make her way
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Speaker 1: over two or and start videoing it. Life Well, to me,
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Speaker 1: it's like she doesn't even have a heart. Anybody that
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Speaker 1: would do that to their own sister instead of trying
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Speaker 1: to take appropriate emergency means, I just can't even imagine.
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Speaker 1: I can't either, And I wonder how that's going to
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Speaker 1: affect a jury. Well, you'll be happy to know, Lou.
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Speaker 1: She tried to get a bond reduced and she's still
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Speaker 1: sitting behind bars. And even though she smiled for the camera, uh,
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Speaker 1: including taking selfies of herself in the hospital, bed and
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Speaker 1: posting it. She was boohooing in court, really turned on
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Speaker 1: the water where it's to get a lower bond. The
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Speaker 1: judge didn't buy it. Luke, thank you for calling. I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna go straight out now to our next caller, Joe
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Speaker 1: in Florida. Joe, Hello, what's your question? It doesn't under
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Speaker 1: the law, of course, the emotional aspects here are not
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Speaker 1: checking into enough consideration in my opinion. In other words,
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Speaker 1: for her to do what she did, is this pickable?
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Speaker 1: Is beneath a belief that someone could be so uh.
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Speaker 1: Here's the thing. She's never going to get the death
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Speaker 1: penalty because Sean isn't she charged with what vehicular manslaughter?
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Speaker 1: That's not a death penalty charge. She unfortunately only faces
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Speaker 1: up to thirteen years and eight months and state prison
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Speaker 1: if she's convicted. And I wouldn't be surprised in this
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Speaker 1: case that the overwhelming evidence against her, that her attorneys
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Speaker 1: will instruct her to take a deal and will in
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Speaker 1: fact probably work with the d a's office to see
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Speaker 1: if the deal is available. Two counts a vehicular manslaughter
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Speaker 1: and four charges related to d u y driving under
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Speaker 1: the influence. But Joe in Florida go online. Go online
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Speaker 1: to Dailymail dot com or our site crime online dot com.
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Speaker 1: Check out the picture of her, not just the video
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Speaker 1: of her sister dying, but then in the hospital, she's
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Speaker 1: taking video of herself and posting it on Instagram thing
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Speaker 1: she's hero. She thinks that everyone will love her because
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Speaker 1: she's not afraid to post these things on the social
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Speaker 1: media as well. Sadly, I'm afraid you may be right
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Speaker 1: because a lot of people are just tuning or are
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Speaker 1: logging on just to see the sister die, which is
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Speaker 1: some type of an odd, um odd mental fixation, Karen.
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Speaker 1: Start when you want to watch people die? What is that? Karen?
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Speaker 1: People are fascinated by Um, if you ever notice any
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Speaker 1: kind of accident or death, there's there's a something inside
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Speaker 1: a lot of people that draws them to a scene
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Speaker 1: like that, and um, they get transfixed by watching this happen.
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Speaker 1: There's also an aspect of not believing that this could
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Speaker 1: possibly be real, just the shock of it. I want
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Speaker 1: to get to our calls Earnest in Alabama, High Earnest,
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Speaker 1: thank keep for calling. What is your question I can answer.
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Speaker 1: I was really trying to find out had there been
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Speaker 1: issues between the sisters before that the parents may or
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Speaker 1: may not have noticed. But this seems a bit of
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Speaker 1: extreme that it seems like unusual, something very unusual that
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Speaker 1: this to happen at this level, this late in the game.
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question, Earnest. Do you have children? Yes?
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Speaker 1: And do they get along? Let me guess they love
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Speaker 1: each other fifty of the time. That's what I always
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Speaker 1: say about the twins. People say do they get along?
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, sure, they get along great of the time.
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Speaker 1: I mean, let's throw that to Karen's stark psychologist. Karen,
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Speaker 1: siblings are going to fight and argue, they're not going
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Speaker 1: to get along part of the time. But still, isn't
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Speaker 1: that isn't there always that bond? Um? Most of the
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Speaker 1: time there is that bond, But you're talking about a
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Speaker 1: situation that's not our normal situation. Um there in this case,
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Speaker 1: whether there was a bond or there was no bond,
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Speaker 1: there's no feeling on the part of the driver. So
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Speaker 1: you know, the only empathy that she could have is
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Speaker 1: for herself when she's crying in court, Sean, was there
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Speaker 1: some acrimony between them? Did they not get along? They
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Speaker 1: seem to have been very close. That's a surprising thing.
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Speaker 1: I mean that the girl's father has come out and
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Speaker 1: said that the family wants her to come home. It
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Speaker 1: just appears to be a close family, but she seems
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Speaker 1: to have had some issues, and I think that this
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Speaker 1: is very, very sad. She's killed her sister. She showed
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Speaker 1: no remorse, and the only remorse that she's showing now
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Speaker 1: is the fact that she faces a long time in jail.
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Speaker 1: And what did you say her prior was her prior offense, Sean,
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Speaker 1: She has a prior conviction for reckless driving at the
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Speaker 1: age of fourteen mm hm. As the court system winds
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Speaker 1: through the process of this case, I know one a
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Speaker 1: fourteen year old little girl is dead and her sister
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Speaker 1: hung over her like a death eater, videoing her as
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Speaker 1: the life drained from her. And now all crime stories.
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Speaker 1: Federal authorities are charging a Utah man in the murder
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Speaker 1: of his wife aboard a cruise ship off the coast
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Speaker 1: of southeast Alaska. The couple were apparently celebrating their anniversary.
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Speaker 1: Friends tell us he and Christie were high school sweethearts
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Speaker 1: and had been married for more than twenty years. She
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Speaker 1: was found dead in a bloody cabin on the ship
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Speaker 1: near Juno, Alaska. Christie died from a wound to her head.
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Speaker 1: Witnesses are painting a grizzly scene or terrible screaming. I mean,
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Speaker 1: just you knew it wasn't normal. When asked what happened,
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Speaker 1: Men's and Arras replied, she would not stop laughing at me.
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Speaker 1: You know, I just took my children on a Disney
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Speaker 1: cruise and we had the most awesome time ever ever.
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Speaker 1: We did those little mystery searches where you trying to
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Speaker 1: find which cartoon character made off with the balloons, you know,
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Speaker 1: when you run all over the ship finding clues. We
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Speaker 1: ate all kind of fancy food at dinner time. After dinner,
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Speaker 1: we go get in a pool and watch a Disney
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Speaker 1: show on a giant screen. Would stay out there till
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Speaker 1: ten o'clock. That's living pretty high on the hog for us.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we had so much fun. Not so for
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Speaker 1: a beautiful woman. Christie, just thirty nine years old. She's
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Speaker 1: pronounced dead. Not on a Disney cruise. She was pronounced
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Speaker 1: dead on board the Emerald Princess Cruise Ship. The Emerald
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Speaker 1: Princess Cruise Ship. Now I've never been on the Emerald
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Speaker 1: Princess Cruise Ship, but it on the outside, it looks beautiful.
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Speaker 1: The cruise ship was was diverted to Juno. This was
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Speaker 1: an Alaskan cruise. I've never been on one, but I've
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Speaker 1: heard they're absolutely incredible. You see, even in the summertime,
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Speaker 1: you go by icebergs, huge icebergs sticking out of the water.
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Speaker 1: You see things you've never seen before. You go on
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Speaker 1: day trips where you can get on a dog sled,
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Speaker 1: or you can get on a railroad, a little railroad
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Speaker 1: trip that takes you way into the back country. So
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Speaker 1: this woman goes on this cruise is fantastic, once in
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Speaker 1: a lifetime event. And I'm looking at her photo right
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Speaker 1: now with me is Karen Stark, psychologist out of New York,
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Speaker 1: and Shawn Waltz from dailymail dot Com. I'm looking at
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Speaker 1: the photo of her, and she she's one of those
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Speaker 1: people that look perfect. She's got the beautiful, long, kind
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Speaker 1: of auburn hair, she's got a smile, every tooth is perfect.
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Speaker 1: She's stunning, and it seemed like she had the perfect life.
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Speaker 1: She had children, she had what looked to be a
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Speaker 1: storybook marriage, and she goes on this awesome cruise with
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Speaker 1: her husband, her loving husband, but then she ends up dead.
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Speaker 1: The thirty nine year old woman, Mom Christie, found dead
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Speaker 1: on the Emerald Princess Cruise. Ship. Security rushes to the
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Speaker 1: cabin after one of their children. I didn't realize that
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Speaker 1: children were there. One of her own children run out
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Speaker 1: of the cabin screaming for help. And this is just
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Speaker 1: at nine o'clock, just nine o'clock in the evening. The
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Speaker 1: evening was young. This family from Utah was part of
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Speaker 1: a larger group celebrating an anniversary on a week long cruise.
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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, that Tuesday night, the ship
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Speaker 1: had a murder mystery theme for guests where you you know,
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out at dinner, uh, who's the killer?
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Speaker 1: And staff on the ship actually thought the murder scene
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Speaker 1: of this young mom Christie was part of the murder
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Speaker 1: theme evening. They thought the room the Man's Nearest Room
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Speaker 1: had been staged to go along with a murder mystery
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Speaker 1: night theme like um on our ship. And this is
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Speaker 1: not a good comparison, but sean on our Art Disney
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Speaker 1: cruise one night was there's the new Doctor Strange. One
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Speaker 1: day Doctor Strange came. The children went and saw and
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Speaker 1: I went. Of course, I loved it more than they did.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Strange did his thing, okay, and it was Doctor Strange.
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Speaker 1: Then one night it was character night and the characters
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Speaker 1: were walking all over the ship. And then one night
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Speaker 1: it was a pirate night and we all dressed up
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Speaker 1: like pirates. I just had on a T shirt that
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Speaker 1: had a pirate on the front, because you know, mommy
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Speaker 1: is not going to get in some sexy pirate outfit.
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Speaker 1: That is not happening, okay, and uh yeah, so but
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Speaker 1: I had the children decked out, you know that's right,
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Speaker 1: And it was all pirate night. So one night on
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Speaker 1: this Alaska cruise they have Murder Mystery Night and it
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Speaker 1: was the theme and everybody was into it, trying to
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Speaker 1: figure out the mystery, looking all over the ship for
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Speaker 1: clues on the Emerald Princess and they actually come on
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Speaker 1: Christie's body and they think it's part of Murder Mystery Night.
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Speaker 1: Did you know that part, Sean or do I? Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: who knows nothing, tell you the crap reporter for daily
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Speaker 1: mail dot Com that people actually thought it was staged.
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Speaker 1: Remember that television show Murder. She wrote, don't even start
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Speaker 1: with me start don't you talk about Jessica Fletcher. Uh,
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Speaker 1: don't do it, Jessica Fletcher, is I have Sean. I
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Speaker 1: can't believe you don't remember this on my wall in
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Speaker 1: my home a picture with me at Jessica Fletcher as
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Speaker 1: I like to refer to Angel Landsburg because a surprized possession.
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Speaker 1: I have practically no pictures out except for the twins,
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Speaker 1: except of me and Jessica Fletcher, who inspired me to
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Speaker 1: start the Healey Deane murder mysteries on Hallmark. Yes, I know,
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Speaker 1: Jessica Fletcher. What does she don't tell me? Jessica Fletcher
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Speaker 1: was on the cruise. But no, this sounds like something
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Speaker 1: ripped straight from murder. She wrote. Here these guests are
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Speaker 1: having a wonderful time on the Murder Mystery night, and
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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden there's commotion from this room.
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Speaker 1: Uh the stamp on board the boat race in they
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Speaker 1: see a woman lying on the floor suffering from major
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Speaker 1: head laceration, and twenty minutes later she's pronounced dead. It's
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Speaker 1: her rendus, you know. Can you imagine? Also? You know
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Speaker 1: it does sound all straight out of her murder? She wrote,
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine Karen start the children having to run
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Speaker 1: out in the hall and call for help because mommy
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Speaker 1: is bleeding in the floor and realizing that this is
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Speaker 1: the real this is the real thing. And for children,
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Speaker 1: it's very confusing because they're not really developed enough to
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Speaker 1: understand what's happening. How could this be that they were
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Speaker 1: having a staged murder mystery and all of a sudden
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Speaker 1: their mother is actually bleeding and and dying. Obviously. At
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Speaker 1: nine o'clock that evening, the captain comes over a wowed speaker.
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Speaker 1: And I heard that too. Every evening throughout the day,
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Speaker 1: you'd hear them give messages about what's happening that night,
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Speaker 1: Really did the captain come on and speak, But that
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Speaker 1: evening at nine pm, everyone was alerted. The captain issues
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Speaker 1: a mess sage over the ship's intercom, urging security to
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Speaker 1: go to the ninth floor. Repeat, go to the ninth
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Speaker 1: floor where Christie and her family were staying, and once there,
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Speaker 1: security finds a bloody scene and Christie Manzini's body lying there.
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Speaker 1: According to police, the family is distraught, including the husband
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Speaker 1: repeatedly saying my life is over, My life is over.
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Speaker 1: Others on the cruise ship that were around their cabin
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Speaker 1: recall seeing a child sitting on an older woman's lap sobbing.
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Speaker 1: A little girl, a little girl sitting in a grandma
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Speaker 1: looking ladies lap, wrapped in a blanket, sobbing. According to
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Speaker 1: Katie you you then up comes a man, his jeans
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Speaker 1: so in blood. What do we know happen? Sean watsh Well,
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Speaker 1: it's very it's very disturbing, Nancy murder. Mystery nights going on,
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Speaker 1: and it's a commotion inside this cabin. This mother has
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Speaker 1: been struck across the head. She heads the floor, and
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Speaker 1: then the suspect takes the mother and tries to throw
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Speaker 1: her overboard. So there's a giant commotion. People come running
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Speaker 1: out of the room. The suspect is then restrained, and
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Speaker 1: then everyone is shocked when they find out who the
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Speaker 1: suspect is and what the relationship that person has with
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Speaker 1: the now deceased woman. Where does it stand right now?
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Speaker 1: What do we know? We know that sadly, this was
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Speaker 1: her husband, and he did this because he was very
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Speaker 1: unhappy that she had been laughing at him in front
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Speaker 1: of his children. So allegedly something went off inside his
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Speaker 1: mind and he struck her across the head. It's my understanding.
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Speaker 1: He said he he was angry because she made fun
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Speaker 1: of him. She laughed at him in front of the children.
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Speaker 1: What about that show? That's correct, Nancy, I mean, goodness
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Speaker 1: knows why this resulted in what it resulted in, but
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Speaker 1: that's what happened. And then there are witnesses who say
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Speaker 1: that he attempted to throw her body overboard. Wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: he tried to throw her body overboard? What? Director com
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Speaker 1: is reporting that, according to cruise ship staff, the father
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Speaker 1: of three had attempted to throw her body overboard. Now
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Speaker 1: this looks like your wholesome American family, two happy parents,
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Speaker 1: three children from St. George, Utah, enjoying the trip of
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Speaker 1: a lifetime. And this happens on Murder Mystery Night. I mean, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: you couldn't script this because she laughed at him in
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Speaker 1: front of the children. I mean, Karen Star, you're the shrink.
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Speaker 1: But I laugh at my husband in front of the
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Speaker 1: children every day about a hundred times, and he does
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Speaker 1: the same thing at me. And it's always warren it
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Speaker 1: on my part when he laughs at me because I've
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Speaker 1: done something completely crazy. But because you laugh at the
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Speaker 1: spouse in front of the children, he kills her. That's
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Speaker 1: hard to believe, Karen Stark, Well, it's hard to know
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Speaker 1: what goes on behind closed doors, so I'm sure that
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Speaker 1: this marriage was not the perfect marriage that it appears
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Speaker 1: to be. UM. I also heard that he himself tried
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Speaker 1: to jump overboard after um that they had to hold
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Speaker 1: him back and restrain him. Isn't that funny? Isn't that funny?
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Speaker 1: Odd that so often see killers tried to kill themselves
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Speaker 1: and it never works. They just managed to commit a homicide.
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Speaker 1: According to what we've learned on social media, she was
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Speaker 1: a married mother of three three little girls, and a
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Speaker 1: real estate agent at Sothoby's in St. George, Utah. She
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Speaker 1: volunteered heavily at the local schools, and she was a
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Speaker 1: tree designer every year at a big function called Jubilee
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Speaker 1: of Trees. She loves cheering on her daughters at soccer games.
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Speaker 1: She spends time with her whole family and extended family
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Speaker 1: as she was trying, according to her social profile, to
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Speaker 1: learn to play golf with her husband. And now we're
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Speaker 1: on the case. After sixty eight police reports, repeat sixty
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Speaker 1: eight police reports, a couple who adopted nine children have
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Speaker 1: finally been arrested. This couple adopts nine children with disabilities
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Speaker 1: from foster care, and on every child. They were getting
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Speaker 1: a cut, they were getting state funding for every child,
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Speaker 1: so they kept adopting and adopting and adopting. Sixty eight
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Speaker 1: called to police before anything happened. Sean Walt, start at
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Speaker 1: the beginning. What happened, Nancy, Well, this has allegedly been
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Speaker 1: going on since two thousand and eight. As you said,
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Speaker 1: there have been sixty eight calls to police, with them
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Speaker 1: filing only twenty police reports that John Bell and his
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Speaker 1: wife Joyce Bell, of an Kenny, Iowa, had been abusing
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Speaker 1: their nine adopted children. Karen start, their mentality of adopting
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Speaker 1: children out of foster care, disabled children, physically disabled, mentally disabled,
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Speaker 1: so they could get a paycheck, so they could get
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Speaker 1: a paycheck. And also, um the reason that they would
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Speaker 1: adopt children like that, people who have this kind of mentality, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: they adopt them so that they can take advantage of them.
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Speaker 1: If they're disabled, they're weak and their prey. One video
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Speaker 1: turned over to police shows the father, John Bell, and
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Speaker 1: his autistic son beating in the video, and he's beating
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Speaker 1: the sun in the living room earlier this month. The
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Speaker 1: autistic son is wailing, screaming as in a high pitched
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Speaker 1: scream as the father, John Bell restrains the boy and
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Speaker 1: repeatedly beats him with not just the back of his hand,
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Speaker 1: but with his fist. I will hit you in the
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Speaker 1: effing mouth, Dad threatens. It's just I'll kill you the
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Speaker 1: little boy, the autistic boy screams back, and then video
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Speaker 1: after video after video had been posted on Facebook. Sean Walsh.
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Speaker 1: They were posting pictures of them mistreating the children. That's correct, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: one of their daughters to into one year old Crystal.
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Speaker 1: This is an adopted daughter. She had been posting these
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Speaker 1: videos on Facebook showing the shocking abuse, and finally the
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Speaker 1: authorities stepped in. I mean finally, I say this after
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Speaker 1: sixty eight calls to them. They've stepped in and they've
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Speaker 1: arrested John Bell and Joyce Bell for what was going on.
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Speaker 1: But the videos are horrific. But other of their adopted
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Speaker 1: children who have since left the house have come out
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Speaker 1: and said that this was a horrible home to live
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Speaker 1: with and that they would pray to go to a
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Speaker 1: family that would love them and wouldn't treat them this way.
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Speaker 1: Reports layout allegations of beatings, physical sexual abuse, violent outbursts,
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Speaker 1: violent outbursts, and they go all the way back. I'm
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Speaker 1: looking at ten years, all the way back to August
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Speaker 1: two thousand seven. Father yelling at the children at least
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Speaker 1: thirty minutes outside the house, claim these are neighbors because
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Speaker 1: he says the children, the disabled children, didn't clean the basement,
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Speaker 1: so he's got dragged them all out in the yard
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Speaker 1: and is screaming at them. Um. We have repeated calls
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Speaker 1: in two thousand eight of children having to be transported
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Speaker 1: to the hospital. One of the girls runs away from
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Speaker 1: home and is hiding, doesn't want to go back home.
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Speaker 1: They make her go back home again. Run away from home. Uh,
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Speaker 1: and and the mom says the child is so awful
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Speaker 1: that the child should go to a shelter. That's how
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Speaker 1: much she cares about the child. They send the child
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Speaker 1: back to the home. The mom keeps calling saying the
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Speaker 1: children are out of control. And long story short is
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Speaker 1: the parents beating them. In two thousand nine, Protect America
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Speaker 1: notifies the police of an alarm sounding in the home. Uh.
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Speaker 1: There's calls for children in need of assistance. There are
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Speaker 1: calls from neighbors saying this little girl is being abused
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Speaker 1: by her parents. She's here and she doesn't want to
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Speaker 1: go back home. Different ones run away over and over
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Speaker 1: and over, and they get sent back to the home.
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Speaker 1: A person calls to say cause police and says she
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Speaker 1: hears the father screaming telling the children to get their
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Speaker 1: effing asses downstairs right now, and the children were just
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Speaker 1: staring out the windows like they need help. And the
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Speaker 1: caller tells police is a home for handicapped kids and
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Speaker 1: they're being treated horribly and they need a welfare check.
37:36
Speaker 1: What went wrong? And I'm only in two thousand and ten,
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Speaker 1: Sean Walsh, and that the authorities don't even know what
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Speaker 1: went wrong. I mean, there wasn't one person making these allegations.
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Speaker 1: There were numerous people making these allegations. That some of
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Speaker 1: the children's birth parents even complained to the authorities, but
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Speaker 1: they believed that they were ignored because they've given up
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Speaker 1: their parental rights years ago, so they feel that they
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Speaker 1: weren't listened to. And they were like, look, we weren't
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Speaker 1: the best of parents when we had these children, but
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Speaker 1: horrific things are happening to our children now, and nothing
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Speaker 1: was done. It wasn't until their twenty one year old
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Speaker 1: daughter converted had a hidden camera and was filming what
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Speaker 1: was happening. And uploading it to her Facebook that authorities
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Speaker 1: had to act because there was proof that they could
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Speaker 1: see and that they could no longer ignore Joyce Bell.
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Speaker 1: This so called mother then reports one of the girls
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Speaker 1: has been molested. Um. Instead of addressing that, the mom
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Speaker 1: says it's the girl's fault and the girls should be
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Speaker 1: taken to a site ward M. Police find no evidence
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Speaker 1: of suicidal comments or anything that would justify putting the
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Speaker 1: little girl in a straight jacket and taking her to
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Speaker 1: a site ward So right there, here and start, it's
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Speaker 1: violating everything I know about how you treat a sex
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Speaker 1: attack victim. It's so hard to understand how the authorities
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Speaker 1: were ignoring it for so many years. Nancy, and I
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Speaker 1: think that that's why these things can possibly happen and reoccur.
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Speaker 1: Here are the reports people are calling it in. The
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Speaker 1: children themselves are saying that there's a problem and no
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Speaker 1: one is doing anything at all to help them. And
39:22
Speaker 1: you know it's bad enough when children are being mistreated,
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Speaker 1: but disabled children here and start, I mean, all they've
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Speaker 1: known their whole life is being kicked out by their
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Speaker 1: own parents, going and then going to this place as
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Speaker 1: hell whole and it goes on for all these years
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Speaker 1: and people are calling police, but nothing happens. Karen. The
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Speaker 1: effect of this abuse on disabled children, they don't even
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Speaker 1: know what's going on, and when they do, they have
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Speaker 1: no ability to do anything about it to stop it.
39:56
Speaker 1: And what I was saying to you, Nancy, and that's
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Speaker 1: so important to understand, and is that these children are
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Speaker 1: purposely picked because they can't defend themselves, because you can
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Speaker 1: abuse them sexually and physically, and they can't do anything.
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Speaker 1: They're just easy prey. Then we have one of the
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Speaker 1: little girls goes in the basement and tries to commit
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Speaker 1: suicide by cutting herself with glass. That is such a
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Speaker 1: cry for help. Sean Walsh, Nancy, the sad thing about
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Speaker 1: this case is that there were so many cries for
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Speaker 1: help and nothing was done. And it's taken this long
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Speaker 1: for these people to be arrested and thrown behind bars.
40:41
Speaker 1: But something should have been done a long time ago.
40:44
Speaker 1: These allegations should have been looked into a long long
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Speaker 1: time ago. I mean, Nancy, they were allowed to adopt
40:49
Speaker 1: nine children. Where were the checks and balances when this happened?
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Speaker 1: And Karen, start when you have a child trying to
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Speaker 1: commit suicide, going off all alone in the basement to
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Speaker 1: commit suicide with cut glass. That is such a cry
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Speaker 1: for help, Karen start and to cry, you know, to
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Speaker 1: say that the way that they are living isn't worth
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Speaker 1: going on, that it's that bad that they see no
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Speaker 1: other alternative but to kill themselves. And I think that
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Speaker 1: some of them lived in the basement, if I'm correct,
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Speaker 1: It was that terrible. In two thousand fourteen, more domestic
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Speaker 1: assault involving Joyce Bell beating a daughter two. Then there
41:38
Speaker 1: are nine one one calls that mid call, they hang up,
41:42
Speaker 1: you know, it's the children trying to call one. Unknown
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Speaker 1: people just going by. In two thousand fifteen say they
41:50
Speaker 1: hear male and female screaming, screaming from inside the house. Um.
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Speaker 1: Then there Crystal Bell, one of the daughters, calls to
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Speaker 1: say there's a blood on her wall and she's being beaten,
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Speaker 1: that her parents have gained up on her, and that
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Speaker 1: there are guns in the home. It just goes on
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Speaker 1: and on and on. So what finally results in them
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Speaker 1: getting arrested. Sean Waltz from dailymail dot com Crystal's a
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Speaker 1: hero here, Nancy. She recorded the abuse on her phone
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Speaker 1: and she was uploading it to Facebook, and her Facebook
42:28
Speaker 1: friends notified the authorities and told them that this is
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Speaker 1: going on. This has been reported numerous times, but there
42:35
Speaker 1: are videos and proof of this abuse. And that's when
42:38
Speaker 1: the authorities finally stepped in and did something after sixty
42:43
Speaker 1: eight times. Now what charges are they looking at, Sean,
42:47
Speaker 1: They're looking at charges of felony child endangerment causing bodily injury? What?
42:54
Speaker 1: What police and what law enforcement agency arm was in
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Speaker 1: charge of this? Who was getting all these nine on
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Speaker 1: one cars and leaving all these handicapped children in this
43:06
Speaker 1: hell hole? What up? Well? Fingers are being pointed everywhere.
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Speaker 1: There are many different agencies involved here because the allegations
43:14
Speaker 1: were being reported to different agencies and different groups, and
43:17
Speaker 1: so the community and IOWA asking for answers, and they're
43:22
Speaker 1: saying that this isn't good enough, and that when allegations
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Speaker 1: are made by people who are mandatory reporters, they should
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Speaker 1: be thoroughly investigated straight away to prevent this from happening.
43:31
Speaker 1: I mean, nine adopted children, Nancy, it's extraordinary. I know
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Speaker 1: it's how do you say? The town A M K
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Speaker 1: and Kenny? And I know that as Pork County p O.
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Speaker 1: L K. I know this some heads should roll, and
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Speaker 1: I can only pray the children are in decent homes now,
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Speaker 1: Sean waltsh Karen Stark, thank you so much, Nancy Grace Stories,
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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend, H.