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#106: Mendy Isseroff / Evolution, Religion, Israel · Come Together with Ephraim Herschmann

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  Welcome to another episode of Come Together,
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  Miss Congeniality. Hey.
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  Hi. Thanks for coming, dude.
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  Thanks for doing this, Mandy. Yeah, we've been.
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  I think we listened to that song 4 different times yesterday with
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  four different artists. Ike Cantino, Ike Cantina,
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  Turner, Credence, and there's another one, I think, but hey.
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  Are you to cover this is like. I am on.
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  I love her. Yeah.
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  I love cover because it's fun. There's a little twist.
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  When you hear a song that you've heard before and then you're
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  like, oh, this is cool. Like, yeah, I never thought
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  about it. Yeah.
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  What are some what are some covers that that are your
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  favorite covers? So I guess we're kind of
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  starting me on the cover journey was like Imagine Dragons did
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  Blank Space OK by Taylor Swift. Cool.
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  That's fun, yeah. Actually, it's really good.
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  It's really, really good. And since then, any opportunity
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  that I have, you're covered. But it can't be that you just
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  took the song and just sang it in a different place like those
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  covers. I'm like, well, the first one
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  was really gay. That's why I listen to you.
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  Come up with the reason you come up with the reason to listen to
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  to to the cover. Yeah, the cover, right.
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  For sure. Yeah, yeah.
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  It's it's doesn't fun to see because I feel like when when a
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  band covers another band, they come it shows the musical roots,
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  Yeah. You know, And so like, it's cool
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  to see when like someone covers like Metallica will cover this
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  like 60s all female pop band, you know, just around, you know,
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  like like what? Like like cool.
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  Like I love it. Like it's fun.
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  I don't know. This guy Mig Locky on YouTube.
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  I don't know if I'm always mentioned names.
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  So no, sure, of course, yeah. And so he does, yeah, people
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  will send him requests. But he does like covers of
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  songs, but singing it as if he was the band.
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  So he'll get one song and they're like, sing it as if it
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  was, I don't know, Metallica. Oh yeah, cool.
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  As if it was just to move it down or something.
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  That's good. He's great.
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  Yeah. It's really, really good.
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  That sounds so funny. Nothing so much fun.
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  Yeah. And then like the Grateful Dead
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  were normally pretty much just like they start with just the
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  cover bands. And when they when they first
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  got a record deal, the record company didn't want to give
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  them. The record company was like, you
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  don't want to give them a deal. They're like, we went to your
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  concerts and you don't sing any of your own songs.
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  And they're like, yeah, but like, we play our own way.
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  Like, we play music going away. Not too alike about it, you
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  know? And that's what they did.
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  Yeah, I remember there's a few bands and now like, it's funny
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  that you say that. I guess maybe that's like a
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  thing that people do because like there's a band called I
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  Prevail, which I started listening to on Spotify, but
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  why? I listen to them because of
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  their covers, right? But now I listen to their Apple
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  songs, right? And I'm like, oh, they got great
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  vocals. You know, the the the guitarist
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  is very like, I like the bassy drum that they have going on and
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  you just kind of go into it. Yeah.
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  So I wonder if that's like an approach?
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  It is. It's something I that's the way
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  I got into the way for Ted to begin with was that there was
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  this. So I was into Springsteen.
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  I was a Springsteen nut for years, years, years.
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  I think I overdid a little bit because I can't listen anymore.
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  Bruce Springsteen, like, so I've never, I've never got into his
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  music. Yeah, but I feel like everybody
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  was like. Yeah, there's very, there's,
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  there's very few people that are like in the middle about
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  Springsteen. You know, people either love him
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  or they're like, ah, he's fine. But so he has a song called
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  Atlantic City and and the band covers it and I was like, that's
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  cool. And then I came across a band
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  called Joe Roos was almost dead, which is a good, good with that
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  cover band and and they were covering Atlantic City too.
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  And I was like, Oh, this is cool.
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  Like taking like a 5 minutes, a 4 minute song and they're
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  jamming it out to, you know, 8-9 minutes.
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  It's awesome. And then I said I'm going and I
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  was like, wait a minute, this is great for that.
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  This is great for that music. It's so weird, man.
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  Especially because like all the all the cover art was always so
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  weird and so like. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah, funky, you know, so strange dude, I was like off
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  putting on us. So we so that's what so that's
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  got me started on with that to begin with.
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  But so yeah, covers are fun and I think they're I think they're
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  really cool. So yes.
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  Nobody knows what song we're even talking about to begin
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  with. Yeah, dude, right from people
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  know my music, my students, my students have like roll their
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  eyes. I try to show them like it's so
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  funny because I teach them a couple times.
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  Like they're very religious right wing school and these kids
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  aren't doing homework. They're not going home and
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  reading The Great Gatsby, you know, so like.
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  So maybe under the covers tonight I.
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  Can ask them to but like I think that.
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  What do they can do on actually? I'm curious.
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  Just like kids sit like kids that air like you out there on
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  the phones, right? But in imagine in an ultra
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  orthodox school like they're not.
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  They're not right. Amazing.
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  So what are they doing? What it's like.
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  They're at school a lot. If they're not reading and
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  they're not on their phones, they're at school a lot, yeah.
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  They're at school a lot. They're in school from like 8 to
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  like 7-8 o'clock, maybe 8:30 every day, you know?
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  Then they get home. It usually takes half the time
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  to get home to eat dinner and they literally like probably
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  hang out for an hour and go to bed.
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  Wow, they don't have a ton of free time and I don't think
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  there's. 30 you said sorry. Yeah.
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  Wow. OK.
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  Yeah, 7:30 between 7:30 and 8:30, depending on whether or
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  not there's night seder or learning at night.
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  And it's, I think we do it on purpose.
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  I think that you, you provide a lot of structure and there's not
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  a lot of space for deviation. And I actually think that
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  there's something to be said for that for sure.
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  As long as within that structure that you're in, there's enough
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  room for them to like, have their own fake time and self,
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  you know, do. They have electives and things
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  like that. Do you want Fridays OK.
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  And the cut Listen, English classes are not I have the all
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  the creative, all the freedom I want with my with my what do you
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  syllabus, you know, whatever. Yeah.
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  So I think that the teachers that they hire, they give
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  opportunities to just teach whatever the teacher's
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  interested in. Great.
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  Yeah. Which is probably, you know, I
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  mean, out of all the things you could learn, it's a great method
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  to get a teacher to teach. Well, it's like, hey man, just
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  teach what you're interested in and like, oh, like, yeah, I'll.
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  Be I'll be generous like I'm sure for population, it's true
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  that like there are some people who are very motivated.
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  I grew up, I grew up ultra with that.
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  So for me, I had some really amazing teachers like you're
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  describing, but it but it was not that norm.
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  It was the exception, right? It was like a teacher who taught
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  us. He was teaching, he was teaching
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  another class. He was teaching a grade above me
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  and I was kicked out of class because I was just not too.
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  I was just I was bored. So so he said go sit in his
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  class because he couldn't keep me in the hallway.
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  They didn't want to keep me in the hallway at that point.
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  And I so I went to Sydney's class and I was sitting in and
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  I'm answering questions and I'm like, engaged in a lesson.
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  And he's like, who's this kid? Like, so after class, he comes
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  over to me and he like, you know, he reaches out to my mom.
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  And they stayed in touch with us for years after that.
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  Really. Yeah.
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  Because he was like, OK, well, poor kid.
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  Like, yeah. He's what?
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  Class is it? What he.
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  So it's like an English teacher and a teacher, right?
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  It wasn't like, yeah, yeah. So he taught anything.
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  Yeah. I forgot about that.
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  Yeah, we agreed with that then that.
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  Would that would be that was 6th grade.
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  Yeah, I was in 6th grade and I went to the 7th grade class to
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  sit in. And then the next year my
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  mother, I guess with his suggestion and another family
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  friend moved me to Yeshiba Flatbush, like from it was I was
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  in the Toshiba Ocean Parkway. Cool.
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  Yeah, hopefully I could see, but the school didn't.
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  It was, it was wild because they were doing their best, but the
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  school like, did not have a budget.
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  And they just kind of, they had the building, but like there was
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  no heating in the classrooms. It was like holes in the yeah,
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  yeah. It was in the winter, you'd wear
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  a coat like, you know, and there were holes in the ceiling.
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  It's like because there was no like, you know, the ceilings
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  have like tiles in them. So there were just none.
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  They took him out. They fell at some point,
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  whatever. So it's just this skeleton of a
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  building. You're learning it.
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  You know this. Is a good school I went.
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  I mean, they did their best, you know?
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  That's the perfect way of putting it, like they did their
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  best. I hope they did their best man.
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  I, I let's play like this. How bad?
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  How bad. Kids are very independent.
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  And there's a reason for it. Like they come out of that
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  system very, very independent. Yeah.
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  For better for worse, you know. Yeah, what do you think of the
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  system? Of like Shabbat system.
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  Wow. So for that, I think as an
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  organization does amazing work for basically 90% of the Jewish
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  world. Like anybody who needs, you
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  know, go, go to the middle of nowhere, you'll find a Fabbat
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  house. Growing up within that
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  framework, it was very challenging for me.
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  And I know for a lot of other people in my generation, it was
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  like we were the Vulture of a generation.
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  So all our parents found Fabbat was doing a great job.
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  You know, Manafa Mendel Arabi was alive and he's had this huge
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  influence on the world. And a lot of people were drawn
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  to Kabad because of that. So then and then those people
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  had kids and they didn't really know what being religious meant,
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  like growing up religious because they didn't grow up
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  religious. But they had this idea that,
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  like, their kids have to kind of make up for all of the lost time
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  that they had. Yeah, Yeah.
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  Your kids like an extension of your life, and you want them to
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  compensate for what you get a chance to do.
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  Yeah. Yeah, yes, like live
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  vicariously, right. So, so they're like, well, I
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  made this mistake. I don't want my child to make
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  this mistake. And so a lot of times they
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  tended to overcompensate in the in the wrong direction.
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  And so you have a lot of people in my generation who ended up
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  moving away. Like, I think have a group, have
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  an affinity for Judaism. Don't not necessarily hold a
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  grudge against Judaism, but just moved away from.
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  Yeah, that world. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Khabad, it's an organization.
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  Great. I mean, like anything that, you
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  know, where we can have a network of Jews that help other
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  Jews and see things good around the world in general.
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  Yeah. What's what's bad about that?
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  You know, Yeah. Well, philosophically, in terms
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  of like. Oh, it's a second Christianity.
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  But like the, like the, like the Messianic, like the.
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  Messianic aspects of like actually about like, like what
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  it takes to what it takes to be able to raise a generate, raise
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  a generation of individual leaders and just send them
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  around the world has to come from like some kind of
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  educational or deep seated, you know, roots.
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  Yeah, it's a good question, so. I, I create strong perspective
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  Kabat Kabat Klan guys have men and incredible personalities,
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  incredible determination of resilience in general.
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  And I think that some of that, a lot of that's natural, but I
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  think a lot of it is education like talk I feel like, right?
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  There's like a lot of philosophy that comes from the world of
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  Hasidou it that I really connect to like on a personal self
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  growth kind of level where going to go, you know, these concepts
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  of like mind, mind and heart and kind of like this dual humanity,
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  which I don't know if they I could say true or laugh.
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  One of the Enlightenment, honestly, like in terms of the
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  philosophical like concepts that we had.
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  I mean, there's like a really rich history of Jewish
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  philosophy that that that like the Hasidou it as a as a as it
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  exists today. But, and I'm not an expert on
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  it, so I will get into it, but I wrote like a few things I really
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  connected to with this idea of like the mind controls the heart
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  and and you know, in case you do it, it's kind of like this idea.
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  They have all these stories, right of like, you know, oh,
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  this guy was being questioned and he, you know, knew that he
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  had to stay calm. And so like he was able to keep
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  his pulse low. Just the, you know, like that
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  kind of thing, but also this idea that you have within you
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  these tool doing like fighting entities.
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  One of them is the more highly in the biological terms would be
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  like the highly evolved parts of your brain and the lizard brain,
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  the more primitive aspects or the instinct and the human
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  aspects of who you are. And that the goal in situ isn't
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  to destroy the more primitive aspects of of your of your
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  identity, but to Co opt them into serving God, right, right,
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  right. So, so maybe not in the serving
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  God. So if you're going.
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  To have to eat anyway, you may as well do it in a way that is
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  more conscious, intentional, elevated, right like, and you
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  could eat anyway, but it's better to be more.
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  Yeah, or like the idea of like, hey, if you're hungry before
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  davening each like. You know, like you're going to
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  let you focus. Yeah, exactly.
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  If that's what's going to help you serve God, then go do that.
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  Like don't ignore, you know, don't be like, I'm just not
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  going to eat and I'm just going to starve, you know, Like, yeah,
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  like go eat and then go daven. Like, what's wrong?
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  But you know, makes sense. So for me by I really like
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  taking that and moving it into like your own personal life
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  where you have like, I don't know, all kinds of, you know,
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  aggression, sexual drive, all these things, laziness, right?
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  This is the worst deal, I mean. But laziness is such a good
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  evolutionary thing. Why?
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  Because it conserves energy. Because you're.
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  So yeah, did you know you have a gene in your body during
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  development that limits muscle growth?
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  That limits muscle growth, limits muscle growth, OK, right.
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  Why? Why?
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  Why would that be the case? Because you.
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  Don't need that much muscle because you don't need that much
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  muscle. And what people that, that have
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  mutations in this gene, essentially what happens is
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  they're born depending on the, on the severity of the mutation,
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  whether it's one or two copies of their gene.
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  They're born with enormous muscle that they just the
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  babies, babies are born with muscles.
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  Animals. This is true for all mammals,
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  like animals that are born with this enormous muscles, right?
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  But it's very wasteful, right? Like it looks cool, but the most
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  important thing like 1000 years ago was energy conservation,
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  right? You needed to be as, as good as
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  you need to be for your environment, but no more.
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  And that's true like now, right? So your brain, that's how your
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  brain's wired. I'm gonna put it as much energy
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  as I need to put in for like what I need to do to survive,
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  But then doing extra is like almost it's bad.
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  It would be bad. It would be bad, right?
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  You'd be wasting a ton of energy and effort on on things that you
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  guys have the energy to. What you get sick?
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  From that, your body breaks down exactly.
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  Exactly. And you wouldn't have enough
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  food for it, literally. So undoing these like things,
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  you know they were right. Or let's say anxiety, right?
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  That's like anxiety. Definitely has a phenomenal of
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  illusionary purpose, right? Like development consciousness
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  or like awareness? I guess the cost.
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  Of being wrong, you know, is up here, right, Like that really
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  high, right? Yeah, yeah.
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  The cost of being right is marginal, right?
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  Like sometimes it'll be good, but it's never going to be so
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  big. But like, you're really wrong
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  once you're dead. Yeah.
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  Yeah. So in that sense, anxiety is
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  great. But yeah, every, like everybody
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  should have a little bit of anxiety, yeah.
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  Totally, totally. It's a tool exists for a reason.
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  If your family gets out of hand or when it causes, you know,
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  stomach flow, what do you call it?
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  Is that me talking? The anxious?
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  The anxious poops, You know, that's a little bit less
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  evolutionarily useful life. And nobody.
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  Is because then your body's like hey, I don't know what's gonna
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  happen in 10 minutes I gotta poop right now right You know
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  like I don't want to leave I don't want to chasing me yeah
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  yeah. It's like, let's empty the
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  system out, yeah. Did you hear that?
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  PWPS pre wedding poops pre wedding poops yeah anytime you
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  like get a little anxious you're you know your fighter flight
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  kicks in you're like all right any doubt the system let's so
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  interesting. I don't.
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  Know that that's cool. So is this?
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  Is this stuff you're studying now?
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  Is this? So.
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  So yeah. It's good your education, your
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  your education. Hi, buddy.
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  My name's Mendy. We need to.
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  Do that part, yeah. I'm 30 years old.
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  I moved here, I move. I'm currently living in Israel
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  and a whole, but I'm studying. I'm doing a PhD now in cellular
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  biochemistry. Yeah, I have a master's in
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  biochemistry and my undergraduates in biomedical
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  science. But like, throughout my
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  scientific career, which is still in its infancy, I've been
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  very interested in evolutionary stuff.
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  So how you can use evolution to understand basically anything?
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  And for me specifically, aging. And so I'd like to look at aging
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  in the lens of evolution, but also.
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  How do you do that? What's an example of?
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  Jeez, how do you do that? So for example, if you want to
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  understand like why animals die at the age that they do, right?
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  Like let's say throughout life, wait, let's go back to your
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  original question, because your original question was, do you
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  think that's a bad? We'll get there.
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  Do you think that's a bad does something special to train their
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  guys? So I think what they're doing
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  essentially is they're just training to be disciplined,
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  right? Be disciplined.
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  But that's one of the most important.
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  Things you can teach someone, yeah.
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  Be disciplined and be a not a leader, but be a Yosem.
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  Be a what is it called? Wow.
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  I thought leaders. Yeah, that's what they do.
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  It created. Leaders, but it's.
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  It's, I guess leadership is a part of it.
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  Yeah. Being the ones you see like
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  representatives Yosem is to be Lizom is to what?
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  No, it's like if you created a startup or be entrepreneurial
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  essentially. OK.
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  Got you. Yeah.
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  So like be. Entrepreneurs go go be.
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  Entrepreneurs go, you know, but honestly, like, you're the guy
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  you're seeing at the Hubbot house.
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  There were 100 people competing for that spot, right.
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  Yeah. It's not like a trivial thing
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  when they choose very carefully. Yeah.
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  Who they said where it's not. It didn't happen by accident.
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  Yeah. The most charismatic, most
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  intelligent, you know, guy ended up in, in California, you know,
• 19:20
  like. There's the guy in Wyoming
• 19:22
  really think. About OK, who's the group of
• 19:24
  people that this guy needs to appeal to, right?
• 19:28
  Yeah, and you can tell for sure based on the community where
• 19:30
  you're going. Like I, my grandmother lives in
• 19:33
  Aspen part of the year, you know, and the and the show from
• 19:36
  there are very, very different than something Binghamton, NY,
• 19:39
  you know. I mean, it's it's a different.
• 19:42
  Language. Right.
• 19:43
  Yeah. Like it's Antonio that they that
• 19:44
  they had that part of their job is to appeal to the crowd that
• 19:47
  they're that they're living in, you know, and you always have to
• 19:51
  be at least publicly facing a chameleon, you know, in that
• 19:54
  kind of sense, because you you're trying to be relatable.
• 19:56
  You have to. You the guys who are really,
• 19:58
  really like, you know, you have different bad guys, you have
• 20:01
  your community of people who come by and you guys speak a
• 20:03
  certain language with them and then you got your, your like
• 20:06
  your less affiliated community. You need your.
• 20:08
  Own family and you have. Your ways you're.
• 20:09
  Trying to educate? See.
• 20:10
  Exactly a different whole story in in them.
• 20:14
  So I think they really they have a large selection process.
• 20:17
  There are a lot of bodies also just end up staying in coal and
• 20:21
  you know. And learning in.
• 20:22
  The Crown Heights and they don't end up going and doing all this.
• 20:25
  The, the people you end up staying there in the Hubbat
• 20:28
  houses are really entrepreneurs who probably could have, you
• 20:31
  know, opened up Fortune 500 companies or, you know, really,
• 20:34
  really big exits if they had gotten other opportunities.
• 20:37
  But this is the opportunity they were given.
• 20:39
  And I think it's fine, you know, I feel.
• 20:41
  Like it's a better opportunity. I feel like it's a better way to
• 20:43
  spend a life. Yeah, I'll, I'll not get into
• 20:46
  the better or worse. I think it's all the same,
• 20:48
  essentially, like, I mean, all the same.
• 20:51
  So my own philosophy on this, I'm going to get beyond
• 20:54
  recording now saying this. Like for me, I'm a biologist.
• 20:57
  So it's, and I very much think about things in like an
• 21:00
  evolutionary biology sense, you know what an evolutionary
• 21:02
  biologist cares about. Like when I look at nature,
• 21:05
  like, what's the marker for success that an evolutionary
• 21:08
  biologist uses? It's called fitness, OK Fitness
• 21:11
  is the ability for an Organism to reproduce yes, that's the
• 21:15
  only marker essentially for success in nature, right?
• 21:19
  An Organism evolution. Biologists are not shy about
• 21:21
  saying this, right? And it becomes awkward when you
• 21:23
  talk about let's say human reproductive diseases.
• 21:26
  And then it's a hard topic to talk about, Right.
• 21:28
  But from a, from an objective biological perspective, like,
• 21:32
  you know, if you, if an Organism cannot reproduce, then that
• 21:36
  Organism is useless to evolution.
• 21:38
  Yeah. It's not.
• 21:38
  What are you gonna do with this thing now?
• 21:40
  Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. It doesn't matter how strong it
• 21:42
  is, how good looking it is, how, you know, people have a very
• 21:46
  interesting and very sad diseases of, of, of chromosomes,
• 21:50
  where like X&Y chromosomes will get mixed up.
• 21:52
  And then there'll be these beautiful models like, you know,
• 21:55
  tall, like really, really beautiful looking people,
• 21:58
  intelligent, funny, like there's nothing wrong with them as a
• 22:02
  human. They're beautiful human, but
• 22:04
  they cannot be produced. They cannot have kids.
• 22:07
  And so like discussions and it's like a hard topic to talk about
• 22:12
  because this, this, you know, we as humans don't want to think of
• 22:17
  ourselves as just like reproducing, like animals.
• 22:22
  Yeah. We have greater meaning and
• 22:24
  purpose to our lives. And we like to ascribe that to,
• 22:26
  to ourselves, like we found other reasons to live.
• 22:29
  Yeah. From a biological perspective.
• 22:32
  Well. Can you even say though, that
• 22:35
  one lifestyle would be more, would be more likely to create
• 22:43
  the environment that reproduction occurs as opposed
• 22:46
  to other? Meaning you could say that part
• 22:49
  of what drives, let's say part of the goal of religion,
• 22:51
  hypothetically being is to continue driving life and
• 22:53
  reproduction, right. And so the entire, all the
• 22:56
  communities are evolved around that.
• 22:58
  And so by entering that kind of world, you're objectively
• 23:02
  entering that kind of, you know, biologic, biological world where
• 23:05
  you are giving yourself the belt.
• 23:07
  Yeah. The best chance to succeed.
• 23:08
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 23:09
  So, so I definitely just see it as strategies, right.
• 23:12
  And I think this one can also inform how you approach
• 23:14
  different cultures, different ideas, right?
• 23:17
  Like at the end of the day, there's no better and worse
• 23:22
  necessarily. There's what works.
• 23:24
  And I think, let's say this can also be an argument for why, you
• 23:27
  know, ethics and morals can exist outside the framework of a
• 23:29
  strictly religious framework, right?
• 23:31
  Right. Where it doesn't like it can
• 23:33
  also be true that God told you these things and that they're
• 23:35
  true because there's a higher power that believes them to be
• 23:38
  true and and wants you to do those things.
• 23:41
  But it can also be true that just some of these strategies
• 23:44
  are very destructive and just like ultimately lead to the
• 23:48
  downfall of the civilization that that holds these
• 23:50
  strategies. Yeah, right.
• 23:52
  And and that like don't murder is is true because like, then if
• 23:56
  everybody's just murdering, like you can see it in nature, why
• 23:59
  don't bears, what is the most dominant bear just won't kill
• 24:01
  all the other bears, you know, like, right, Because it's just
• 24:04
  not good for the species. Like it's a it's a bad strategy
• 24:06
  and it's. And it's we're good and we do it
• 24:09
  if it. Were good for the species, then
• 24:10
  it would go. Ahead and do it it would.
• 24:12
  Do it. But there's but again, that's a
• 24:13
  universal truth that it would never be good, right, right.
• 24:16
  For the species to for, for that individual to go and kill all
• 24:19
  those things. And it let's say he had some
• 24:23
  weird freaking nature that did that and killed all the bears,
• 24:26
  right. And then his kids are also going
• 24:27
  to go and kill all the bears, right.
• 24:28
  And then what's going to happen? No more bears, You know, like,
• 24:31
  so, so in that sense, like these are kind of self, self enforcing
• 24:35
  rules that. Yeah.
• 24:35
  That's our figure, but we. Can also pick up on them and say
• 24:38
  hey like they might be divine right in the in the sense that
• 24:42
  they are part of the fabric of what reality.
• 24:44
  Is of life. Yes, correct.
• 24:45
  That's, that's what I believe, yeah.
• 24:47
  That's what I believe. I believe that oneness, you
• 24:50
  know, when you say like God is 1, you know, Shema, you know, I
• 24:53
  think that big as a big component of that is that
• 24:56
  oneness is the interconnectedness of like
• 25:00
  reality, you know, and, and the value and the values that and
• 25:05
  and and critical values are emergent of that, of that
• 25:10
  oneness, you know, and then and then our and it was something
• 25:15
  that like religion supposed to be the evolution of
• 25:16
  consciousness. I believe that like it's like,
• 25:18
  you know, like there's evolution and physical evolution.
• 25:21
  There's also, and that's why I, you know, think one religion is
• 25:25
  necessarily more right than another all the time by any
• 25:29
  means. But I think that the goal of it
• 25:32
  is to say, like you said, we have like, yeah, like, you know,
• 25:35
  the Chabad philosophy would be at least Do you have this kind
• 25:39
  of primal Dr. Shabami? Right.
• 25:44
  Exactly. And then you have your.
• 25:46
  Soul. And then you have, you know, and
• 25:49
  and then you have, well, does it need to be done this way?
• 25:54
  And now that we live in XY and Z world, does this apply the same
• 25:57
  way? Right, like we say, but anxiety,
• 25:59
  right? Like, yes, it was an incredible
• 26:01
  evolutionary tool, applying it in the case where you're walking
• 26:06
  on the street and you don't want to ask cashier how to get to,
• 26:09
  you know, in the supermarket how to get to where you're going for
• 26:11
  a meal. You know it's not a very useful
• 26:14
  function, you know. So that's I found super
• 26:17
  interesting when you think about like attract people who are
• 26:21
  attractive, OK. And how that like relates.
• 26:23
  So in almost every Western country today, No, Yeah, almost
• 26:27
  every Western country, let's say Israel is an exception.
• 26:30
  There are rare countries that have an exception to this.
• 26:32
  The reproductive rate is of below 2 meaning per woman.
• 26:36
  So if you take all the women that exist in that country that
• 26:39
  are upgrading age of the above, the age of 18, five.
• 26:41
  Breeding age. I'm sorry, breeding age.
• 26:44
  I'm in the age of 18 and can't have 20. 100 Prime reading age
• 26:49
  of breeding age. No, This is why I actually get
• 26:51
  themselves in trouble, because he, like I'm trying to describe
• 26:54
  the answer. No, I don't mean it bad I I
• 26:56
  don't. Think, I don't think anyone
• 26:58
  would think that. Like, yeah, it's pretty clear at
• 27:00
  least at least from who I'm sitting.
• 27:02
  It's something that. No, because you know what also
• 27:04
  of breeding gates can be like 12 like yeah, it's not what I mean
• 27:08
  probably some of the statisticians who are doing this
• 27:10
  also are looking at. But anyways, you take these
• 27:13
  women and you look at how many kids has each woman had and they
• 27:16
  like for most countries of the women who could eventually have
• 27:20
  kids, like it's below 2, right? So each woman on average is
• 27:23
  having less than two kids. That means it's less than
• 27:25
  replacement because it takes a another human to make that kid.
• 27:29
  So in most countries, like the population is ageing, right, I
• 27:32
  think. Japan's having that problem,
• 27:33
  right inverse. What Japan's having.
• 27:34
  That problem I think almost. Every Western country today has
• 27:37
  that problem where you have an inverse pyramid where like
• 27:40
  there's a lot of on the top of the pyramid, there's a lot of
• 27:42
  old people. And then as you go down, it kind
• 27:45
  of tapers off. And then you have very few young
• 27:47
  people, right? There's a lot of, like,
• 27:48
  demographic issues with, like, issues within and.
• 27:51
  Right, like economic issues. Yeah.
• 27:54
  But one of them that I thought is one of the things that I
• 27:56
  think might be contributing, which I find super interesting,
• 27:58
  is this, how much weight we put on how attractive people are
• 28:04
  today, right? Like, you can make money being
• 28:07
  attractive, right? You can now the original purpose
• 28:10
  of being attractive is it's a it's a form of what's called
• 28:13
  sexual selection. And I might be saying something
• 28:15
  controversial and there's somebody who knows about sexual
• 28:17
  selection is going to be very upset.
• 28:19
  But essentially because these fields are also very.
• 28:24
  Competitive, it's good. They they, they like you have
• 28:27
  these conversations and you talk about things.
• 28:29
  The ideas aren't fully, you know, like in stone, but you can
• 28:34
  think of evolution as being divided into within the species,
• 28:39
  within the individuals of the species and then out and then
• 28:42
  the with like for the individuals out.
• 28:45
  So a tiger hunting a person would be natural selection and
• 28:49
  then two people competing for the same woman would be sexual
• 28:53
  selection, right? And then the parameters are
• 28:55
  different, right? Because in some senses, like the
• 28:59
  natural selection is much more of an objective marker and
• 29:02
  sexual selection can be very subjective, right?
• 29:04
  Like, peacock's feathers are an example attraction, right?
• 29:09
  It's all the sexual selection stuff is supposed to be costly.
• 29:15
  Like, it's supposed to indicate to whoever's looking at you that
• 29:18
  this person has good genes or is good metabolism or is getting
• 29:21
  good food or whatever, you know, like, or, you know, has a good
• 29:26
  family, whatever. You know, if somebody grows up
• 29:29
  and they don't have scars and, you know, they're like, then
• 29:32
  you're like, oh, OK. Like, they probably went through
• 29:34
  a pretty good childhood. You know, I feel like we have.
• 29:37
  That socially too, right, like we have social indications that
• 29:40
  like of someone that'd be quote UN quote fitting, you know, for
• 29:44
  that's what confidence is, right.
• 29:45
  When people say confidence is a really attractive trait, sure.
• 29:48
  You know, it's like, I'm sure that applies the same way
• 29:50
  anything. That would, that is, no, there's
• 29:53
  not objective right confidence. Nature doesn't care how
• 29:55
  confident you are. You know, like tigers don't care
• 29:57
  how confident you are, but another person would.
• 30:03
  Like I was also. Confident, obviously.
• 30:05
  That confidence serves a purpose in terms of sexual selection
• 30:09
  that you know, they would say that you are, that you are.
• 30:14
  I don't use the word confident again, but sure of yourself.
• 30:17
  Sure. Sure of your ability.
• 30:18
  About you and to handle the. Future and to handle the future
• 30:21
  and to handle potential conflicts and and that you will
• 30:25
  be a a source of stability. Yeah, you know that people,
• 30:29
  That's what people want. Exactly.
• 30:30
  Exactly so in that same that's you're exactly right.
• 30:33
  You so you understand the concept.
• 30:34
  Yeah, yeah, perfect. So in that sense, being
• 30:38
  attractive is also a very is a is a form that, you know, we
• 30:42
  easily look at somebody will be like, oh, that one looks
• 30:44
  attractive. You know, probably be a good
• 30:46
  mom, you know, probably a good dad.
• 30:49
  It might be true. I mean, not true, but that's how
• 30:53
  we do it. And then you have people now,
• 30:55
  so, so people who are attractive reproduced, right?
• 30:58
  Like, or generally like had some, some benefit to
• 31:00
  reproduction, right? And, and, but it's become, it's
• 31:03
  come to the point now where like people are so attractive and
• 31:06
  there's so much value on being attractive that they don't want
• 31:08
  to have babies. And people like, you know, like
• 31:09
  there's people who are like, I don't want to have kids anymore
• 31:12
  because I don't want to ruin my body or I don't want to ruin my
• 31:14
  looks. And then it's like, well, the
• 31:16
  only reason you got here, the only reason you're pretty today
• 31:20
  is because for 100,000 years, you know, people thought your
• 31:24
  ancestors are attractive and that's why you exist.
• 31:27
  But it's gotten to the point where it's like, oh, it's
• 31:29
  invert. It's it's reverted, you know.
• 31:32
  So what's the content like? What?
• 31:34
  Follow this down the line. What happens?
• 31:36
  Yeah, it's. A good question.
• 31:37
  So I mean, attractive people are still having kids, right?
• 31:39
  But but it's just an so I don't know what the implications of it
• 31:43
  would be necessarily. You could maybe somebody who's a
• 31:46
  little younger than me in their scientific group might be
• 31:48
  saying, well, in a in 100 years, you're not going to be any more
• 31:52
  attractive people anymore. It's it's hard to say what the
• 31:56
  implications are because these systems are so complex.
• 32:00
  Or do you think it's going to be like a choice, I guess like what
• 32:05
  do you think of like gene modification?
• 32:07
  Yeah, wow. So like I'm personally aiming
• 32:10
  towards the future where like we have complete autonomy over our
• 32:14
  evolutionary faith. Like that's my goal.
• 32:16
  Like that's on a personal level. And this stems from a desire to
• 32:20
  like live very long. And so if you live very long,
• 32:23
  you have to be able to adapt to an environment classically.
• 32:28
  And this comes back to your discussion about your what you
• 32:31
  mentioned before about societies.
• 32:33
  So there's what we call emerging properties.
• 32:36
  I'll come back to the question, I promise.
• 32:37
  OK, it ties in. So there's like these emerging
• 32:41
  systems, right? So societies, let's say, are a
• 32:44
  kind of evolutionary being right there, Unit of selection, you
• 32:48
  can call it. Now classically, evolution works
• 32:52
  on the reproduction. So natural selection works on a
• 32:55
  unit of selection. You're a unit of selection.
• 32:58
  Every living Organism is a unit of selection.
• 33:01
  And then based on your traits, you either survive and reproduce
• 33:03
  or die, right? And then don't reproduce and
• 33:06
  then over time, like statistically, you pick the most
• 33:09
  adapted. So the same is true for
• 33:12
  societies, right? Like societies live and die
• 33:16
  based on their environment and right.
• 33:18
  And we each individual is like kind of like the cell, you know,
• 33:21
  in a body. So we all contribute in our own
• 33:23
  unique ways to societies. But societies don't reproduce,
• 33:28
  right? Like they don't, they persist
• 33:30
  like the measure. Well, they.
• 33:33
  Persist through production, I guess.
• 33:34
  Part of the two stories, two ideas, but it's.
• 33:37
  Persistence of a concept and not necessarily like iterative.
• 33:42
  It's not an iterative process. Yes, yes.
• 33:44
  Yes, so. So in that sense, societies are
• 33:47
  kind of like the next evolutionary step or a different
• 33:50
  approach to evolution, right? Where up until now the name of
• 33:53
  the game was reproduction and adjustment.
• 33:56
  But these societies have found like this concept, right?
• 33:59
  Have found a way to evolve without ever reproducing, right?
• 34:02
  Just kind of like persisting and changing, you say society
• 34:06
  you're. Talking about like a country
• 34:07
  like America. Are you talking about like a
• 34:09
  country like Israel, right. So it's it's.
• 34:10
  It's hard to pin down, but I would say like an idea or are
• 34:13
  you talking about? Religions like, you know, like,
• 34:16
  'cause it can. Be a religion, for example, it
• 34:18
  can be right now nationalism, right?
• 34:21
  So the United States it could be.
• 34:22
  Planetaryism. Actually, it could be that
• 34:24
  planet Earth. It's like society, you know?
• 34:26
  Exactly. So it's just this ideas that
• 34:28
  exist that more than one person believes in, or even just one
• 34:31
  person believes in, right? And they compete for space in
• 34:35
  your brain, right? They compete for you.
• 34:38
  You're the resource. And you're also like, you're the
• 34:40
  tool that perpetuates, right? And and so that like, yeah, I
• 34:44
  see societies what it it's just so you're going to lose.
• 34:47
  An individual over time. I mean, your cells don't know,
• 34:50
  you know, like their cells are not an individual, right?
• 34:53
  They all contribute to the greater good, which is you,
• 34:56
  which is you existing. And each individual cell would
• 34:58
  never be able to achieve what? A full human.
• 35:01
  Yeah, but each. Individual cell is a conscious
• 35:04
  as far as we know by the. Way.
• 35:11
  And my head just almost exploded as those words came out of my
• 35:14
  house because I'm like, what if they are?
• 35:16
  Like, what is everything? Yeah.
• 35:18
  You want to go. Down that hole, yeah, look up,
• 35:19
  look up at agency. And like the whole that whole
• 35:22
  concept didn't, it's not clear, right?
• 35:25
  There's no reason to assume that it isn't.
• 35:27
  I can show. You a video of your white blood
• 35:29
  cells moving through your body. Yeah.
• 35:31
  And you? Want to you can tell me if
• 35:32
  they're making decisions or not right?
• 35:34
  But to me, it looks like they're right.
• 35:37
  They're, I mean, and then you can explain when they're moving
• 35:38
  on chemical gradients and they're kind of like moving on
• 35:41
  this predetermined path. But then it's like, OK, let's.
• 35:43
  Yeah, that's that's the difference.
• 35:44
  So are we. You know, so that's a good
• 35:49
  question. Wow.
• 35:51
  That's crazy. I don't want to go down that
• 35:52
  rabbit hole, but dude, reality has already been like I feel
• 35:58
  like so slippery the last like couple of last year or two
• 36:03
  anyway, yeah, that like I can't like I can't go down more of
• 36:07
  these ragged holes, man. Everything is is too crazy for
• 36:10
  me. So in terms of.
• 36:10
  What I think about genetic engineering, yeah.
• 36:13
  And coming back to it. So in that sense, if you have an
• 36:17
  idea or let's say, a discrete quantity of information that
• 36:20
  persists over time and is able to adjust itself dynamically to
• 36:24
  its environment in the same way that, let's say, Judaism has
• 36:26
  persisted for thousands of years.
• 36:28
  And we see, you know, Ashkenazi infrared Judaism and now
• 36:32
  Zionistic Judaism and these adaptations to to the
• 36:35
  environment. And so if, let's say, I'm really
• 36:39
  interested in making people live really long, like I, I want
• 36:42
  people to live, you know, as long as they want to live, give
• 36:45
  them agency over the decision to die, essentially.
• 36:48
  That's crazy. Yeah.
• 36:52
  Like it's very far. I mean.
• 36:58
  We. Assume are you when you say to
• 37:02
  live as long that what how is quality of like including
• 37:06
  quality of life Yeah means like I'm gonna be 130 and just
• 37:10
  walking around like I'm like I'm 70 yeah.
• 37:13
  So you're asking like the question.
• 37:15
  First of all, if you did that, that would be amazing, right?
• 37:16
  There's. Some 70.
• 37:18
  Year olds who are really high quality of life, Yeah.
• 37:20
  So we have to even differentiate further.
• 37:22
  Like there are 70 year olds who are, you know, really, really
• 37:25
  high functioning, and then there are 70 year olds who are
• 37:27
  bedridden. Yeah.
• 37:28
  So that's. Called in the field that's
• 37:30
  called health span. That's like or frailty, right?
• 37:33
  You can call it that. So frailty is a, is a, is a
• 37:36
  index. It's like a number that you can,
• 37:39
  you can apply to any person who lives now.
• 37:41
  And it's based on some set of parameters.
• 37:43
  And, and so some people have higher frailty.
• 37:45
  It means they're closer to dying essentially, or you're like less
• 37:48
  mobile, whatever. There's a lot of different
• 37:50
  things that could be. And then low frailty is like
• 37:52
  usually high functioning. So you want to have somebody
• 37:55
  ideally who, what they look like is their frailty is very low and
• 38:00
  then their lifespan is very high, right?
• 38:02
  Like, so they, they stay healthy over the, over a long period of
• 38:05
  time. And then eventually when they
• 38:08
  decide they don't want to live anymore or some rock falls out
• 38:12
  of the sky, you know, they die. But like, until that point,
• 38:15
  they're fully functional. They're cognitively functional.
• 38:18
  Like they're, you know, part of society and they're contributing
• 38:21
  and they're don't. Why would you?
• 38:22
  Not want to check out at that point, yeah.
• 38:24
  I This is a conversation I had with a lot of people.
• 38:26
  A lot of. People, I feel like the only
• 38:27
  reason I'd ever want to check out is if I'm just if my body
• 38:30
  fails me and my mind fails me, I'm like, well, there's
• 38:32
  hopefully really being here anymore like.
• 38:34
  Yeah. It's.
• 38:34
  I think you take a viewpoint that I mostly hear from the
• 38:37
  elderly, which is like, I want to continue living.
• 38:39
  I'm good. Like my mind's good.
• 38:41
  I want to go. Yeah, but then young people kind
• 38:43
  of are more idealistic or romantic about it because they
• 38:47
  don't have to live through the reality of your body failing
• 38:50
  around you. And they're like, no, death is
• 38:52
  good and people should die. And I want to get old, I think.
• 38:55
  That is good too. I don't disagree right, so far
• 38:59
  as anything is good and bad, but like it serves a purpose.
• 39:02
  It serves a purpose and right, yeah.
• 39:06
  I love are you elaborate on that This is OK Yeah yeah, I
• 39:13
  understand I it's good because it helps to understand the way
• 39:16
  you're thinking about this. Yeah, cool.
• 39:18
  Yeah, it's. Like, very agnostic, I want to
• 39:20
  say. It's like there are times when
• 39:22
  it can be good, thicker times when it can be bad, you know,
• 39:25
  kissing their parents. So, you know, that's not a good
• 39:27
  death. But sometimes, like you meet
• 39:31
  space, like, I don't know, sometimes things need to change
• 39:33
  and it turns out what's the natural part of, you know,
• 39:36
  nature and life. Evolution wouldn't happen
• 39:39
  without death, I thought. You could even look at it's
• 39:42
  actually interesting because I get even culturally, perhaps we
• 39:48
  live in A at least in America, in Western, in America, there's
• 39:53
  a culture of people not wanting to pass the mantle down, whether
• 39:58
  that's in politics, whether that's entertainment, whether
• 40:00
  that's movies like the top movie stars when it was also like.
• 40:04
  The same movie stars from the night from the early 2000s or
• 40:07
  even the 90s or 80s are, are are are are the people that are
• 40:11
  dominating the screens today and they don't want to pass the
• 40:13
  mantle down to an actor at 17 or 19 years old.
• 40:15
  And somehow they. Look the same.
• 40:17
  Yeah, yeah. They trying to give a name.
• 40:22
  You have to find out for the purpose of research, dude.
• 40:25
  And then like music too, you know, like and and you have
• 40:28
  bands like Springsteen and you know, and the freaking Rolling
• 40:32
  Stones, you know, like dude, what what are you doing still?
• 40:36
  You know, it's like, it's crazy, but I feel like.
• 40:42
  That. Also prevents innovation that
• 40:45
  also holds back creativity, that also holds back, you know, new.
• 40:49
  Like what made these people great to begin with was that
• 40:51
  they were the explosive voices of the new generation and now
• 40:55
  they're not letting that go. And that's probably about one of
• 40:58
  the benefits of death, you know, for.
• 41:00
  Sure. Like, I mean, people classically
• 41:02
  want to talk about age, you know, longevity research, like,
• 41:05
  OK, but they're dictators. Like, they're going to live
• 41:07
  forever. Yeah.
• 41:08
  That's, you know, the only thing we have gone is that they'll
• 41:10
  actually get old and die. Yeah.
• 41:11
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 41:15
  And I think these are unsolved problems.
• 41:16
  I agree. Like I think society is not
• 41:19
  built for people to live this long.
• 41:21
  Forget, forget. Like at the most basic boring
• 41:23
  level, you know, how do you do retirement when if everybody
• 41:28
  lives to 200 years old? Well, people aren't.
• 41:30
  Going to want to retire. But how do you do it right now
• 41:32
  it's 6570 because as you know, they're going to get 20%.
• 41:35
  It is 570, right? Maybe.
• 41:39
  But then what happens on the IT keeps moving, right?
• 41:42
  Like there's this, there's this idea in the field of what's
• 41:44
  called escape velocity. So, so this idea that in the
• 41:48
  same way that you had computers that were exponentially like
• 41:50
  growing with power. And at this point you have a
• 41:53
  supercomputer in your pocket that can like access all the
• 41:55
  information in the, you know, in the impact on you.
• 41:57
  So technology for extending longevity will extend lifespan
• 42:02
  for people enough for them to be alive when the next technology
• 42:06
  comes around to extend longevity even further.
• 42:07
  Right, Right. Right.
• 42:08
  And then they're just always on the next thing.
• 42:10
  And yeah. That's.
• 42:11
  Actually, you have people who are fixed.
• 42:12
  Offer updates you just. Never die.
• 42:14
  You like you just, you just catch the next wave and you keep
• 42:17
  going. And so the argument was made, I
• 42:20
  think. That that's like ideas like when
• 42:22
  Judy's talks about like Olamava or like, you know, with like we
• 42:25
  were not dying, stuff like that. But you mean, like, that could
• 42:27
  be a physical manifestation of, you know, the evolution man.
• 42:31
  Yeah. They said like right, These like
• 42:33
  different approaches to I like to think.
• 42:35
  About these kind of philosophy. You know, I mean, like people
• 42:38
  make that argument about the existence of the state of Israel
• 42:40
  today, how we're making the reality of the of the, you know,
• 42:43
  Niveen, like we're making it a reality.
• 42:46
  We're not going to wait. Yeah.
• 42:46
  We're not going to wait for the prophets for some guy to fall
• 42:49
  out of the sky and bring a building with him and drop it
• 42:51
  on, you know. So World War Three, we're going
• 42:56
  to come in, we'll create the reality one step at a time, and
• 42:58
  eventually we'll be there so we can look back and say, well,
• 43:01
  this is what happened. Yeah.
• 43:04
  That's interesting. I don't.
• 43:05
  See a way around it? I see a world in 200 years where
• 43:12
  these technologies, unless like, I don't know, it becomes like a
• 43:15
  nuclear weapons threat, Like countries closely guard the
• 43:17
  secrets and don't want them out in the world.
• 43:20
  But. The theoretical basis for
• 43:26
  extending lifespan indefinitely. Indefinitely.
• 43:33
  That's I don't know. Infinitely, it's very long if I
• 43:36
  also people would still die, right, But the theoretical basis
• 43:39
  for it, it just feels really close, like and then once you
• 43:43
  have the theoretical like what's killing people?
• 43:46
  Like why are you dying from age? What's aging once you have that
• 43:49
  down, right? That's usually the biggest
• 43:52
  challenge, right, for figuring this stuff out.
• 43:56
  Once you have that down, you just start QA, you know, just
• 43:59
  start testing like different interventions.
• 44:02
  And because we're developing all these tools kind of like
• 44:05
  simultaneously, so you have like genetic engineering, you know,
• 44:08
  protein design, you know, like really advanced treatments for
• 44:15
  different diseases of old age that maybe aren't like cancer
• 44:18
  and genital diseases, right? So you have all these things
• 44:21
  happening kind of concurrently. And then if you can address
• 44:24
  frailty and then you know, how to cure cancer and you know, how
• 44:26
  to prevent Alzheimer's, you know, and heart disease, like
• 44:30
  then you're suddenly on track for people living to 300 or 400
• 44:34
  without, you know, breaking a sweat.
• 44:36
  Like essentially that's. Crazy, yeah.
• 44:40
  It's a wild thought, but. Yeah, yeah.
• 44:44
  I don't know what my what the world is going to be like for my
• 44:48
  2 year old to be growing up in. Sure.
• 44:51
  I'm probably just like what you grew up, it's a little bit
• 44:54
  different. I don't know like.
• 44:56
  You know, like. No, okay, I'm sorry.
• 44:58
  As I see movies pepeeve in mind, I'll see a movie and they
• 45:02
  sometimes movies will build a premise and the premise will be
• 45:05
  everything is the same except this one thing.
• 45:08
  You know like Black Mary won't do that.
• 45:10
  OK, The world is exactly the same except for this, Yeah.
• 45:13
  Except for this. Crazy VR technology.
• 45:14
  And it's like, that's not how tech works.
• 45:15
  Like yeah, but then. We're going to be exactly the
• 45:17
  same. Yeah.
• 45:18
  Then the world wouldn't. Be exactly the same because this
• 45:19
  is a revolutionary technology. It would change the fabric of of
• 45:22
  how yeah, of how we interact, right.
• 45:24
  So the world is not everything isn't the same as those in the
• 45:27
  1950s, except now we have Internet like, you know, like
• 45:30
  it's not how it works. That's a good way of putting it,
• 45:35
  I know. But I think that the you don't
• 45:37
  think that the that the rate of development or the pace of that
• 45:42
  of evolution or whatever we're doing, the rate isn't just more
• 45:48
  is exponentially faster and more dramatic then from 1950 to
• 45:53
  today. Yeah, You know, about 19, even
• 45:56
  82 even when I was born, man. I'm getting on an airplane when
• 46:00
  we're getting on airplanes when I was a kid and having that,
• 46:02
  remember the stupid TV, the, the, the DVD player?
• 46:07
  Yeah. And I have to bring a chunky DVD
• 46:08
  player and pop a DVD and it has like an hour and a half life
• 46:11
  battery. And wow, that was like, yeah.
• 46:13
  And like, that was within my lifetime, dude.
• 46:14
  Like house phone, you watch? I love Internet.
• 46:17
  Yeah. Yeah, it might be like maps, you
• 46:20
  know, to get around, to go, to go, to go, to do it in my you
• 46:23
  need a physical map for. Kids out there, there were lots
• 46:25
  of things, yeah. Right.
• 46:27
  But that's what I'm saying, right?
• 46:28
  So imagine so so my 2 year old, when he's going to be 20, what's
• 46:31
  you know, what's he going to think?
• 46:34
  Yeah, I don't know. Man, it's an exciting thought
• 46:36
  that I have no way to parse because of this fact that things
• 46:40
  happen concurrently. And then you could not imagine
• 46:43
  the changes, right? Like, or if you really wanted to
• 46:46
  be clever about it, you would just drop.
• 46:48
  You would, let's say you just dropped it in, you know, like a
• 46:50
  Pebble in water. And then you watch the ripples.
• 46:53
  And then the other, you drop the other pebbles in and they had
• 46:55
  other ripples. And you're like, good luck
• 46:57
  following. Yeah, Yeah.
• 46:58
  What's the kind of app, right? That's a good example, yeah.
• 47:03
  At some point, the pattern just becomes way too complex for you
• 47:06
  to to parse. But if I had to say that in 20
• 47:10
  years, first of all, I don't think the little, you know, cell
• 47:13
  phones are not going to be like they're going to exist, right?
• 47:16
  But like everything's, we're not going to be in.
• 47:19
  This kind of form factor. Yeah, I feel like everything's
• 47:21
  moving towards either like completely visual on your eyes
• 47:24
  or like audio or something like that, you know?
• 47:27
  That's weird, yeah. And if you do have these, maybe
• 47:31
  we'll have, maybe we'll have because it's like nice to watch
• 47:33
  a video or something, you know, on your, on your phone also.
• 47:36
  Like, what are the implications of, like, essentially turning
• 47:39
  our eyes into screens? Yeah.
• 47:41
  You know, and like, what does that do to us?
• 47:42
  I don't think it's. Going to catch on 1st last words
• 47:46
  I think. Like I think it's going to catch
• 47:49
  on. And then like tomorrow, you
• 47:51
  know, they release this thing that just projects an image into
• 47:54
  your eyeball. I'll say, like a lot of
• 47:57
  military, like since the war started, we've been talking a
• 47:59
  lot with different companies about who reach out to us about
• 48:03
  like, doing, you know, these heads up displays on cameras.
• 48:07
  And it's funny because they come up with these crazy like
• 48:09
  technological, like, it's cool. Like, you know, heads up
• 48:12
  displays with maps and, you know, friend or foe
• 48:14
  identification. Yeah, all this stuff.
• 48:17
  But then I'm like, did you fix the fogging issue with glasses?
• 48:20
  Yeah. You ever try running with
• 48:21
  glasses? Start running with glasses and a
• 48:24
  helmet. Like, there's no airflow.
• 48:26
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like what do you mean that's the
• 48:27
  problem? Right.
• 48:31
  Like because because the practical people aren't hurt
• 48:36
  from usually the. Future is doesn't spend time on
• 48:39
  the field. Yeah, yeah.
• 48:41
  So. So I have a hard time imagining
• 48:44
  what the future of technology looks like.
• 48:45
  But the future of biology, I can say with a lot of confidence is
• 48:49
  going to involve, you know, genetic modification.
• 48:51
  It's going to involve we're on like the verge of a revolution
• 48:56
  in terms of trying treatments and things from nature.
• 49:01
  So, proteins, what do you? Think of like artificial wounds
• 49:04
  and stuff like that, like. If if I can come, that's like
• 49:08
  the next story. That's the emancipation of
• 49:09
  women, right? Like that's like in the way that
• 49:12
  in, I don't know if you ever heard about this, but like 100
• 49:14
  years ago showing, showing that ignorance.
• 49:19
  But the some some historians argue that the development of
• 49:23
  the washing machine was pivotal for women and birth.
• 49:27
  Control washing. Washing.
• 49:28
  Machines and birth control, birth control in terms of like
• 49:30
  their massive, yeah, physical, but washing machines is like why
• 49:33
  washing machines like because you ever wash things by hand,
• 49:37
  like hours of work every day, right?
• 49:39
  And so giving the women the freedom suddenly to not have to
• 49:43
  do that freed women up to go get an education or go take part in
• 49:46
  the workforce or go keep part of right.
• 49:49
  And I, I know in science and technology today and in in high
• 49:52
  level fields, women will not go into those fields because they
• 49:56
  want to have kids. And they, you have to make a
• 49:58
  choice as a woman. You have to decide, am I going
• 50:00
  to be a mom or am I going to be a professional?
• 50:04
  And those things, society structures have to be mutually
• 50:07
  exclusive. And that's probably, if we're
• 50:08
  getting back to the issue of births in Western countries,
• 50:11
  that's probably also a big factor.
• 50:12
  Yeah, certainly. Right, like.
• 50:14
  I We can encourage women to be professionals, to be strong and
• 50:17
  independent, and they should be. But then we have to structure
• 50:21
  our society around the biological needs of of people of
• 50:25
  people like who are humans and want to have kids.
• 50:28
  You know, the Weitzman Institute has a daycare in the institute.
• 50:33
  So a mother can come drop her kid off at daycare, watch
• 50:36
  everything, go work in the lab, take 10 minutes off, go nurse
• 50:40
  your kid and come back to work. That should exist in every
• 50:43
  single big office. No really it should like.
• 50:46
  It should exist in every big office building like we just
• 50:49
  pretend like and also the breaking down of family units,
• 50:54
  right? So it used to be the, I mean, it
• 50:56
  used to be like up till 203 hundred years ago, you lived
• 51:00
  with your grandparents and your brothers and your sisters and
• 51:02
  their kids. And so there was always somebody
• 51:04
  to take care of the kid. And the expectation today is
• 51:07
  that you and your wife are the only two people who are on a
• 51:10
  consistent basis going to be the caretakers of your children.
• 51:14
  And that's hard. It is really hard.
• 51:17
  That's not a trivial statement. And then you give them more
• 51:19
  responsibility, you say, and now you also have to work.
• 51:21
  And now you should do all these things.
• 51:23
  So so. One of the things that I, I was,
• 51:26
  I was that I was reading a book called the anxious Generation.
• 51:30
  And one of the things he was talking about was that in
• 51:33
  today's world, and this is not a benefit for parents, but that
• 51:36
  it's a massive problem has solves that when we were growing
• 51:40
  up, parents or adults had trust in other adults, at least in
• 51:44
  America. Actually, I think Israel's way
• 51:46
  better about it, but I think it's also comes from being a
• 51:50
  Jewish state, you know, where there's someone who was like,
• 51:53
  obviously you don't there, there, there's a bad people
• 51:55
  everywhere, you know, but there's a little bit more of a
• 51:57
  sense that like if your kid will run to will go by himself to
• 52:01
  school, you know, I'll say even. On a practical level, like
• 52:04
  people don't know me walking around the street, but they know
• 52:07
  that there are people out there who are defending their physical
• 52:12
  existence in this place and that there's not a there's not a few
• 52:15
  of them. There's a lot of them out there.
• 52:17
  And so like on average, it low just raises your trust a little
• 52:20
  bit in random, right? That too.
• 52:21
  Right. But what so right that that's
• 52:23
  enormous. But one of the things you're
• 52:26
  saying is that so for a parent, they used to look at the world
• 52:30
  like you're raising your kid and you have a bunch of allies that
• 52:33
  are other that are other adults that are helping to everyone's
• 52:36
  best interest to try to help. So if you go to the supermarket,
• 52:38
  you use your kid. Yeah.
• 52:41
  Exactly. Or someone come up to you.
• 52:42
  Hey, could someone come to a kid?
• 52:44
  Hey, are you lost? Do you know where your mom and
• 52:45
  dad are? And then let me take you.
• 52:47
  But nowadays everyone is considered a threat.
• 52:50
  Everyone's considered a dangerous.
• 52:51
  So now it's not you and adults working together to raise a
• 52:56
  family. It's you against the rest of the
• 52:59
  world and you have to raise a family.
• 53:00
  And that's a lot. That's a lot to jump on.
• 53:03
  That's why. And parents burnout and parents
• 53:05
  have a hard time. And then and then I do that the.
• 53:08
  They don't have kids they don't want to have.
• 53:10
  Kids, a lot of people are like and then if they do this world
• 53:13
  where. Everybody's an enemy, you know?
• 53:14
  Yeah, well. That too.
• 53:15
  And then also when you have kids and then you know what, I don't
• 53:18
  want to trust a babysitter. So I'm going to pop them in
• 53:20
  front of the TV for or or not to be on their on their iPad or
• 53:23
  their phone for 14 hours a day. And that can't have very good
• 53:27
  professions. More like you're.
• 53:28
  Living really far away from your parents, right?
• 53:30
  So in Israel is very common also.
• 53:32
  Yeah, like you rely on your parents for a lot of things.
• 53:34
  Like they're common. Watch, it's really societally
• 53:36
  accepted that your parents are going to be babysit.
• 53:38
  Yeah, like you want beautiful. It's.
• 53:41
  Beautiful. It's how it should be.
• 53:42
  It's how it should be evolutionarily, how it was,
• 53:44
  Right. Yeah.
• 53:45
  Like, that's why parents. That's why parents live past the
• 53:49
  age of reproduction. Oh, really?
• 53:50
  Like, what's your use? Like, you can't make it.
• 53:54
  Like the reason blend is so that you can help your kids raise
• 53:57
  their kids and then you're helping yourself, right?
• 53:59
  Like, evolutionarily. Yeah.
• 54:02
  That's the huge theory for why for why humans live so long is
• 54:05
  because we're these social animals teach each other and we
• 54:09
  help each other out. We increase the fitness right at
• 54:12
  the chances of success. And then when you're like, just
• 54:15
  like it's recent, right? You move away from it, everybody
• 54:18
  in your life and you move out the middle of nowhere and now
• 54:20
  you don't know anybody. You can't trust anybody.
• 54:23
  Well, of course women aren't like being a part of society or
• 54:25
  they're choosing not to have kids.
• 54:26
  The truth is to be part of society.
• 54:28
  Who can blame them? And then they're just not having
• 54:30
  kids. Yeah, that's so, so in terms of
• 54:36
  having, giving women the ability also, like pregnancy is huge,
• 54:40
  right? That's like a year off, you
• 54:41
  know, you're taking, it's going to be, you know, if you want to
• 54:43
  breastfeed or whatever. Then then having giving women
• 54:47
  the ability to like have these external wounds or whatever, it
• 54:50
  would be enormous. What are the?
• 54:52
  Moral implications of that, though, are like the are there?
• 54:55
  Like I don't know if the kids. Healthy, you know, like, I don't
• 54:59
  know, it's your genes. It's your genes, the kids
• 55:01
  healthy, it's your baby. It's your.
• 55:03
  Baby. Yeah, why not?
• 55:04
  Just feels like a brave people. Already like what do you think
• 55:06
  of a? Brave New World.
• 55:07
  Well, I I haven't seen that look red.
• 55:09
  That's pretty bad world either. But like, wait, I'll take it.
• 55:12
  Like don't forget for this time, fiction like.
• 55:15
  There are there. Are celebrities today just go
• 55:17
  hire some random lady? Yeah, yeah.
• 55:19
  Yeah. So just carry.
• 55:20
  Their baby for them. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 55:21
  That's the, that's the dystopian version of this.
• 55:23
  Yeah, yeah, there were. That's happening to the
• 55:25
  dystopian version. Of that of so Brave new World's
• 55:27
  premise is that everyone is basically born artificial wombs
• 55:30
  yeah but that that they're genetically modified and altered
• 55:36
  to fit to be arbitrary arbitrarily chosen for social
• 55:41
  classes and. They live like 20 and right.
• 55:43
  So yeah, but also like, you know, the worker class is like
• 55:47
  physically bigger but has smaller brains and has us and
• 55:50
  like they like edit out the gene for like curiosity and to not
• 55:55
  have them like so that wants basically.
• 55:57
  Like people? Yeah.
• 55:58
  Essentially, yeah, essentially everything's the same.
• 56:00
  But yeah. And then and so the and so the
• 56:02
  premise of the of the book, it's it's a short book, but the
• 56:05
  premise of the book is that it's almost like a love story between
• 56:07
  like one that like one of the, you know, different, lower do
• 56:11
  not class modified individuals. Kind of like has his breakout
• 56:17
  moment like a almost like a emergent moment where he rises
• 56:20
  beyond his, I guess, genetic makeup or tries to, you know,
• 56:25
  and that's the version of that I think the version of society
• 56:29
  where that goes like wrong, you know, where like.
• 56:32
  Well, well, I mean, although you.
• 56:34
  Can make I guess, an argument that people are born into like
• 56:36
  the world that people are born into essentially, is that any?
• 56:40
  Yeah, I mean, it is right now, right?
• 56:41
  Right. Yeah, I didn't fuse people into
• 56:45
  upper middle class Jewish family and the suburbs of Muncie.
• 56:50
  Yeah. I guess the question is for me
• 56:51
  is like, why? Like, why did the society like
• 56:55
  what's the a lot of times I love science fiction.
• 56:57
  I love I love movies in general. What I cannot tolerate is lazy
• 57:01
  writing, right? So so I cannot tolerate lazy
• 57:03
  writing. So I don't I can I can accept
• 57:05
  any premise as long as it's eternally consistent.
• 57:07
  OK, right. I can't accept Harry Potter
• 57:09
  magic exists. Great work with.
• 57:12
  It's better to not explain sometimes, you know?
• 57:13
  Yeah. Why does magic exist?
• 57:15
  Who knows? Doesn't fucking matter.
• 57:16
  Yeah, It doesn't matter, right? Or like, there was this movie.
• 57:20
  Now. Lyle.
• 57:21
  Lyle Crocodile. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 57:23
  Internally consistent. You know why they never explain
• 57:25
  why he's there? Everybody just accepts the
• 57:27
  pronounce. Yeah, of course.
• 57:29
  Technology. At the door they they walk.
• 57:30
  Through with that like make it this right explanation, but with
• 57:33
  science fiction, I feel like it needs a there needs to be like a
• 57:37
  more of a reason for it correct I.
• 57:39
  Feel like with like for example, Marvel, Marvel movies at a
• 57:42
  certain point, like superpowers mean nothing like there's no,
• 57:46
  there's no values or strength is arbitrarily, you're just
• 57:49
  stronger than and. Then it's just like a A, but
• 57:53
  it's. That's lazy writing, right?
• 57:54
  Yeah. There's no in universe reason
• 57:56
  for why this person's stronger, right?
• 57:57
  Like, because we decided, yeah, at this point.
• 58:00
  And then he was a you as a viewer also, you lose an agency,
• 58:02
  right? Because you're like, all right,
• 58:03
  well, I can't make any sense of this.
• 58:05
  Yeah, I can't make any sense. And I can't make decisions while
• 58:08
  I'm watching, you know, like who's going to be.
• 58:10
  So how's? It going to.
• 58:11
  Go I have no way of knowing, but I know it's just going to turn
• 58:14
  out to make me feel good. Like I have to fucking do.
• 58:15
  Like that's not what I need, you know, So, so for books, like I
• 58:21
  ask the question, OK, why? Like, you know, why not make
• 58:26
  everybody perfect and then just give them roles?
• 58:30
  Because because people are flaws though, and people and and
• 58:34
  societies are still run by people that make decisions
• 58:37
  right? And they're not only internal.
• 58:40
  Consistency, right? Yeah, maybe, maybe they're not
• 58:42
  making the best decisions, right.
• 58:43
  But like you say, you see a dystopian I'm saying you human,
• 58:46
  you now have the ability to to like change humans however you
• 58:50
  want, right, however you see fit.
• 58:52
  And I'm like designing society like why are you designing it
• 58:55
  like Ant society, right? Like what's the Mia?
• 58:58
  Like what's the what's the point?
• 58:59
  What's the yeah, what's the why? Like it's a cool thought
• 59:01
  experiment. What if this existed, right?
• 59:04
  But like when you look at. And so you, you create a power
• 59:08
  structure around yourself that gives you the most, that gives
• 59:10
  you the most, the most control over everyone else that you can
• 59:14
  get. Sure.
• 59:15
  So you like make a little island and you have money and you just
• 59:18
  start doing this thing and you're like, I'm gonna make
• 59:21
  people who are just really dumb or really strong and I'm gonna
• 59:24
  make people who are like this or like that.
• 59:28
  Armies, sorry. Or armies.
• 59:30
  Or. Armies, but I like again, if I'm
• 59:33
  I'm using resources to make all those people right and I don't
• 59:36
  know if I have a way to like start we have we need society
• 59:40
  today don't need to do this right.
• 59:41
  Like you can structure a society with a diverse range of
• 59:45
  different people like. But we don't.
• 59:48
  We could. We could, right?
• 59:50
  But that's, that's the point. We don't ask why we don't.
• 59:53
  It's because it's human nature. And they're bad people.
• 59:56
  You know what makes sense? Or.
• 59:57
  I think it's like this phrase, but it's like never never
• 59:59
  ascribe. Malice where you can ascribe
• 1:00:02
  ignorance, right, You could say. Hey.
• 1:00:04
  Global conspiracy to maintain these power structures and and
• 1:00:08
  these global you know like you know rich and.
• 1:00:12
  Elite. Yeah, it's.
• 1:00:13
  Possible. It's possible that there's a guy
• 1:00:16
  out there who's like has a big screen and he's controlling all
• 1:00:19
  these things and like, I don't, you know, I don't know.
• 1:00:24
  But more likely is that nobody's controlling anything.
• 1:00:28
  These emerge, These just these structures emerge through
• 1:00:31
  individual interactions. And everybody's, of course,
• 1:00:35
  trying to, like, hustle their way up to the top, no question
• 1:00:38
  about it. Yeah.
• 1:00:39
  And the people at the top, no, for sure, want to stay at the
• 1:00:41
  top, right. But there's probably not some
• 1:00:45
  big global conspiracy to just maintain these rigid social
• 1:00:49
  structures. And if there was a person at the
• 1:00:52
  top who wanted to create an ideal world and had the
• 1:00:56
  resources and the money and the and the ability to know how to
• 1:00:59
  do it, let's say like a Bill Gates, you know, like, what did
• 1:01:01
  they do it? Bill Gates, the richest man in
• 1:01:03
  the world. Like, well, you know, he said,
• 1:01:05
  he said that he's like working to cure malaria and just as an
• 1:01:08
  example, Right. Yeah.
• 1:01:09
  How much money and time and effort has been put into curing
• 1:01:11
  malaria? And, you know, they've done an
• 1:01:13
  amazing job, but it's taken him the better part of two decades
• 1:01:16
  to just, like, solve one problem.
• 1:01:19
  So why would the world be this perfect place?
• 1:01:21
  Because it's a hard problem to do.
• 1:01:24
  It'd probably be equally hard to structure.
• 1:01:25
  It's like specifically in the way like, like you would
• 1:01:29
  describe it in this book, right? Like.
• 1:01:31
  Yeah, but we have experiments to we like we we, we have like, you
• 1:01:35
  know, like we know for certain it's been declassified.
• 1:01:38
  The CIA studies like large like, you know, I guess group
• 1:01:45
  psychology in the sense that like how do you get like to get
• 1:01:49
  99 agents yeah to influence 1000 people.
• 1:01:52
  Yeah, you know and that like you know like it's like almost like
• 1:01:54
  a one to 10 ratio of the impact that that you could have that
• 1:01:57
  almost even snowballs as it as it was bigger numbers they
• 1:02:00
  would. Chat bots and like whatever you
• 1:02:01
  know so I. Don't think, I don't think that
• 1:02:04
  I don't. Yeah, chat bots too, by the way,
• 1:02:06
  you know, and, and I don't think that.
• 1:02:07
  So I don't think that the I think that I don't know if
• 1:02:11
  there's a quote, UN quote global conspiracy in that kind of
• 1:02:13
  sense, but I think that if the CIA hypothetically wanted to do
• 1:02:19
  mass damage or, or obtain mass control or create a mass
• 1:02:24
  narrative, I don't think they'd have a problem too.
• 1:02:26
  Yeah, I mean, that's a bread and butter, right?
• 1:02:27
  But. That's the point, but that's
• 1:02:30
  what I'm saying. So so you're saying like, I
• 1:02:33
  mean, they could pull, they could be pulling strings.
• 1:02:35
  And again, to to what extent are they going to be controlling,
• 1:02:38
  you know, like whatever. I'm not even talking about that,
• 1:02:40
  but you know, just the fact that like we study like people almost
• 1:02:45
  like lose a sense of individuality in a group.
• 1:02:46
  We know that, you know, that's group thing.
• 1:02:48
  That's all right. Yeah, I would say, I would say
• 1:02:53
  it's complicated. People lose their sense of
• 1:03:04
  individuality in a group is something that I think a lot of
• 1:03:06
  people are conscious of. And I wouldn't say it's almost
• 1:03:09
  lose their individuality as much as give up their individuality.
• 1:03:12
  Sure, there's no like, magical force you're.
• 1:03:15
  Right. But the consequence of the day
• 1:03:17
  is the same, which is you walk away from, you're at a rally,
• 1:03:22
  you're at a protest and you do something and you walk away and
• 1:03:25
  you're like, I can't even believe I did that.
• 1:03:28
  I can't even say that. I can't even.
• 1:03:29
  I hate that. That's the one.
• 1:03:30
  With the mask effect, right When you put on a mask, you'll
• 1:03:33
  suddenly behave. Yeah, sure.
• 1:03:35
  It's more like a lost in the crowd.
• 1:03:37
  Nobody sees me doing this, right?
• 1:03:38
  Right. Right, but that's fine.
• 1:03:40
  So like so I, so I don't know that I'm beyond being
• 1:03:43
  controlled. I don't know that if you put me
• 1:03:44
  like, if you tell me that even they're physically positive,
• 1:03:48
  even like a concert, even like, you know, like a minion, like a
• 1:03:51
  short function, they're like, like I definitely could be swept
• 1:03:56
  up in a moment and kind of lose. You give up 5% of it.
• 1:04:00
  Right. So you like, I think there for a
• 1:04:02
  lot of these, there's a buy in. We talked about this like
• 1:04:04
  yesterday. I think there's a lot of these,
• 1:04:05
  there's a buy in of like people kind of maybe maybe most, some
• 1:04:09
  people aren't conscious of this themselves and they just kind of
• 1:04:11
  go with whatever's happening around them.
• 1:04:13
  But for you at least there's for sure going to be a moment where
• 1:04:16
  you're like, do I want to do this or not, right.
• 1:04:18
  And then, OK, once you've made the decision to do it, no
• 1:04:21
  problem. That's on you.
• 1:04:22
  Yeah. But but you know, well, like,
• 1:04:25
  you know, Joy answer, I mean, and Daven and you know, like,
• 1:04:28
  yeah, you should like if you want to, but.
• 1:04:34
  But for me, I guess I think I'm the same way also.
• 1:04:36
  Like I think about it and I'm like, you know, sometimes I
• 1:04:38
  won't clap because I'm like, I don't want to clap like for
• 1:04:41
  these guys, but I'm not interested in doing that.
• 1:04:44
  I like your, your question is like, is it possible to like
• 1:04:49
  just take a technology and turn into dystopian future based on
• 1:04:53
  like like how you influence like the masses or at least.
• 1:04:57
  Attempts to, I don't know, I mean, I think the question is
• 1:04:59
  just an easy thought, something to think about.
• 1:05:01
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:05:02
  Oh, we should. Definitely be careful the way
• 1:05:03
  the Internet is structured today.
• 1:05:05
  So a big part of like how like any, any, you know, biological
• 1:05:11
  or like living animal works is like signal filtering, right?
• 1:05:15
  So if you took every single input that existed and always
• 1:05:19
  were processing every single thing, you would go crazy and
• 1:05:21
  you wouldn't be able to make decisions, right?
• 1:05:24
  And for some reason, I mean for some reason, the Internet is
• 1:05:26
  still very much in its infancy and we have no good way of
• 1:05:30
  processing garbage, right? Everything comes in and it's all
• 1:05:35
  equal. You can have a guy who has.
• 1:05:38
  I think we're learning. That I think we're learning.
• 1:05:40
  That's what you. As an individual are, but
• 1:05:43
  there's. An industry called click
• 1:05:44
  baiting, which is the study of what would get someone to this
• 1:05:50
  would jump out from the junk. Yeah.
• 1:05:51
  You know, it's like you're disregarding everything else and
• 1:05:54
  you're focusing on the headline. That isn't all caps, right?
• 1:05:58
  Aging doctor says that's even worse because you build a
• 1:06:01
  filter. In your brain about like what's
• 1:06:03
  relevant and what should be clicked on, right?
• 1:06:06
  And then there's a whole field now that's adversarial, right?
• 1:06:08
  That's like, that's right now trying to get you to click even
• 1:06:11
  though you shouldn't click. Yes, yes, yes.
• 1:06:13
  Yes, I met like 5 times last night while I was growing so I.
• 1:06:17
  Genuinely think that there's not gonna be a way around this
• 1:06:20
  either. Countries at some point in the
• 1:06:22
  next two decades are gonna have to start just filtering the
• 1:06:24
  Internet, like saying I don't, I don't.
• 1:06:26
  Nobody on the Internet from Vietnam or I don't know, North
• 1:06:29
  Korea or Russia is allowed on the American Internet.
• 1:06:32
  Like it's just gonna become these like discrete bubbles of
• 1:06:34
  Internet or there's gonna be some sort of ID verification
• 1:06:39
  system on the Internet that you're gonna have to go have
• 1:06:42
  where you become a citizen of the Internet or I don't know
• 1:06:45
  what. And you just have your ID, your
• 1:06:47
  credentials and everything. And there's that's really also
• 1:06:51
  for your statement, right? Because what keeps you civil?
• 1:06:56
  Like, yeah. Seriously, why don't you go in
• 1:06:58
  the street? And just yell at people because
• 1:06:59
  it'll fucking punch you in the face.
• 1:07:00
  You're going to prison here. I don't know, you know, so they
• 1:07:04
  there's nothing to create a. World of repercussions because
• 1:07:06
  right now you don't have any. There's no, yeah, there's two
• 1:07:09
  things. There's 2 problems.
• 1:07:10
  One, there's no punishment if somebody makes a bad prediction.
• 1:07:13
  And that needs to start happening because like, it's a 0
• 1:07:16
  sum game, right? If I make 100 predictions and
• 1:07:19
  one of them works out, I could say I I can ignore the 99 that
• 1:07:22
  didn't work out. Yeah, Point to the one
• 1:07:24
  prediction. And that's how people make your
• 1:07:25
  career that. Yeah.
• 1:07:26
  And then that ends up messing a lot of other people up.
• 1:07:28
  Yeah, Right. How many times have you heard
• 1:07:30
  that Israel is a you know, people are starving.
• 1:07:32
  People are going to start in Gaza tomorrow.
• 1:07:34
  For the last two years, I can probably.
• 1:07:36
  I wanted to do this. I want to pull up all of the
• 1:07:38
  headlines on this. I promise you there are over 200
• 1:07:41
  over the course of the last two years.
• 1:07:42
  Definitely. Right.
• 1:07:43
  And at this point, if you look at the statistics, thousands are
• 1:07:47
  doing better than most of the world.
• 1:07:48
  I'm not saying they're comfortable, but in terms of the
• 1:07:50
  statistics of how many people died of hunger related things on
• 1:07:53
  2 orders of magnitude, they're doing better than the rest of
• 1:07:57
  the world 2. Orders of magnitude.
• 1:07:58
  That's the difference. Between a 1 and 100%.
• 1:08:01
  So yeah, that's like, yeah, you can do this math yourself.
• 1:08:05
  It's like relatively easy. You just like, divide the number
• 1:08:07
  of people that die in the world of hunger each day, 25,000
• 1:08:11
  people, by the way, a huge number.
• 1:08:12
  That's insane. Yeah, 20,000 people die that
• 1:08:15
  every day. Of hunger.
• 1:08:16
  Hunger related disease. Yeah, hunger related reasons
• 1:08:19
  every day. And then so you take that
• 1:08:21
  number. This is both UN statistics, so I
• 1:08:23
  feel confident in making them. It's not from two different
• 1:08:26
  sources. And then you take the number of
• 1:08:28
  people who've died in Gaza over the last two years of hunger and
• 1:08:32
  you know you can you can do the same.
• 1:08:34
  So by day, you divide it by the number of days and you get the
• 1:08:36
  number of people who've died in Gaza in the math.
• 1:08:40
  Is very. Is very simple to do.
• 1:08:41
  It's simple. And then you just get the like
• 1:08:43
  if you because it's called sanity check.
• 1:08:44
  So when you make a statement, you have to gauge it against
• 1:08:47
  some objective market reality. And that's how you sanity check.
• 1:08:50
  And if you're in the ballpark, if it was like 2 times, then I
• 1:08:53
  would say we're in the ballpark. Like, you know, like if half the
• 1:08:55
  number of people dying in Gaza and the rest of the world would
• 1:08:57
  say, OK, like we're in the ballpark of, of starvation.
• 1:09:00
  But if it's the difference between A1 and A-100, you know,
• 1:09:04
  then you're not even in the same universe.
• 1:09:05
  You know, it's there's between 100,000 and a million.
• 1:09:08
  You know, what is the magnitude, right?
• 1:09:11
  That's the difference so that the people in Gaza are not
• 1:09:14
  dying, right? So more by 200 of magnitude
• 1:09:16
  people are dying outside of Gaza from starvation than in Gaza.
• 1:09:21
  So that's as an example, right? But yeah.
• 1:09:24
  That's a great example, right? That's a great example.
• 1:09:26
  So how? Many times.
• 1:09:27
  Have you heard? I've never heard.
• 1:09:27
  I've never heard anything like that, Yeah.
• 1:09:30
  But but headlines will have you believe that this is the worst
• 1:09:32
  humanitarian crisis, that people are starving.
• 1:09:34
  And just like on a granum Tuesday, in the rest of the
• 1:09:37
  world, it's worse. Yeah.
• 1:09:38
  You know, like tomorrow. Is going to be worse tomorrow.
• 1:09:41
  Is today's the rest of the is already worse?
• 1:09:42
  Probably in the rest of the world?
• 1:09:44
  Yeah, the rest. Of the world, today's already
• 1:09:46
  worse, yeah. Correct. 10:00 in the morning?
• 1:09:48
  Sure. More people have died in the
• 1:09:50
  rest of the world as a proportion of people then have
• 1:09:54
  died in a conflict zone in what's supposedly A genocide and
• 1:09:57
  stuff. Yeah, but that's just an example
• 1:10:00
  of bad predictions that have no consequence.
• 1:10:01
  Right? So BBC is never gonna pay a fine
• 1:10:03
  for each bad prediction they make, yeah.
• 1:10:06
  Well, they're never, they wouldn't be in the business.
• 1:10:08
  They'd be out of business at that point.
• 1:10:09
  Sure. They.
• 1:10:09
  Would have to actually have or they would have to actually
• 1:10:11
  adjust their tactics to yeah, to.
• 1:10:13
  That's I'm not a big fan of government bailouts either, by
• 1:10:15
  the way, because I think that it gets in the way of the church.
• 1:10:19
  Correct. Sure.
• 1:10:20
  Yeah, correct. There's something to be said
• 1:10:22
  there also, right. Yeah.
• 1:10:23
  But then when like first to making the decision to invest in
• 1:10:26
  the company, Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:10:27
  Good luck, regulatory. Capture.
• 1:10:29
  I love that word. I love that word.
• 1:10:31
  That's a great word. Yeah.
• 1:10:32
  I don't think you. Have a time load on those.
• 1:10:33
  No, I don't. To talk to you about your
• 1:10:38
  nonprofit. Yeah, if you have some, if you
• 1:10:41
  have some time for it, I do. I mean, let's time, it's enough,
• 1:10:44
  so let's find me. Yeah, you got some time, It's
• 1:10:46
  okay. Yeah, let's talk.
• 1:10:47
  I just started into my PhD. It's fine.
• 1:10:49
  They don't expect anything else, right?
• 1:10:53
  So I direct. I started.
• 1:10:55
  I direct the nonprofit call the Lone Soldier Empowerment
• 1:10:57
  Foundation Little. Soldier.
• 1:10:59
  Is it lone? Soldier.
• 1:11:00
  Lone soldier, the lone. Soldier Empowerment Foundation,
• 1:11:02
  the LSEF, they want to explain. What a lone soldier is, yeah.
• 1:11:05
  Wow. A lone soldier is somebody who
• 1:11:07
  comes to this is like a really just a hard shift, right?
• 1:11:09
  Yeah. I don't want this.
• 1:11:11
  This is not sponsored. This is.
• 1:11:14
  Publicizing, which is good, yeah.
• 1:11:17
  So lone soldiers are essentially people who who move to Israel
• 1:11:20
  without any familial support or if I grew up in Israel and just
• 1:11:24
  don't have any familial support. And they decide to draft to the
• 1:11:28
  IDF. And then they get this
• 1:11:30
  characterization from the IDF that's like tagged as long
• 1:11:33
  soldier. And they get support from the
• 1:11:35
  IDF while they're in the army. But prior to their draft,
• 1:11:38
  they're still alone. There's no services for them and
• 1:11:42
  there's no support for them. And so we from 20, we've had a
• 1:11:49
  program from 2014 that we've been running that helps them
• 1:11:54
  essentially train. Like we take people who were
• 1:11:59
  little soldiers in the IDF and they train these guys twice a
• 1:12:02
  week in in Jerusalem. They work with them on Hebrew,
• 1:12:06
  physical fitness, building a community, being with leaders,
• 1:12:11
  all the things that you would want essentially as a human.
• 1:12:14
  We don't train them as soldiers. That's the IDF, that's their
• 1:12:16
  job. Also, we don't feel like that's
• 1:12:19
  our place, right? Like we don't want them to come
• 1:12:21
  into the Army thinking they know how to be a soldier.
• 1:12:23
  We want them to come in the army being a person, being a good
• 1:12:26
  person who knows how to work with other people, who knows how
• 1:12:29
  to lead, who knows how to work under pressure.
• 1:12:32
  So in 2014 we started two guys basically started in the park
• 1:12:37
  workouts and 2019 they open up a non profit, which we took
• 1:12:41
  control of in 2020. I've been running since then as
• 1:12:46
  as this as a long social empowerment foundation.
• 1:12:48
  Seven Mikey is the name of the program.
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  It's really cool, honestly, like because I didn't do anything
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  like this right to the army. And it's just wild to see the
• 1:13:01
  people who show up there and how much they put on the table and
• 1:13:08
  how much they they just give of themselves to something that
• 1:13:13
  they don't even really know they want to do.
• 1:13:16
  You know, it's like, but they know that they want to be in
• 1:13:19
  Israel and they know they want to defend their country, the
• 1:13:21
  country, the Jewish country that that they believe should exist.
• 1:13:27
  And so for them, it's like a no brainer.
• 1:13:30
  Like they're here, they're going to work hard.
• 1:13:32
  And we can talk about like the whole justification for these in
• 1:13:37
  the state of Israel and all this stuff.
• 1:13:39
  We could you. Want to do it?
• 1:13:41
  I think there's like a just a practical reason that we
• 1:13:43
  overlook completely like as, as people who are Israel advocates
• 1:13:46
  and I'm like you'd advocate for the state of Israel.
• 1:13:49
  I think we kind of talked the wrong language and we don't
• 1:13:52
  point the right finger. So a lot of times you know, some
• 1:13:58
  person who you know is 1 leaning and loves the world is going to
• 1:14:02
  come to you and say, you know, why does why does Israel need an
• 1:14:05
  ethno state, which is not, by the way, it's not an ethical
• 1:14:08
  state. They're 20% of the copulation is
• 1:14:11
  part of everything in that like in Serb society and we have
• 1:14:14
  friends who are Arabic Jews in the Bedouin and we all live in
• 1:14:19
  wild. But so putting aside the
• 1:14:21
  ignorance for something, why does what's the justification
• 1:14:24
  for the state of Israel and people like to compare it also
• 1:14:27
  to compare we love comparing Israel to Western problems
• 1:14:30
  right. So South Africa apartheid or
• 1:14:33
  comparing the war to Vietnam or Iraq.
• 1:14:35
  And it's like you're so off base, but I don't know how I
• 1:14:38
  don't even know where to start, right.
• 1:14:40
  Like you have to start with the whole history of oppression of
• 1:14:44
  of pogroms of like the Holocaust is kind of somehow our enemies
• 1:14:49
  have turned into a cliche. It's not a cliche is the biggest
• 1:14:52
  genocide of any any ethnic group in human history, right?
• 1:14:55
  Like it was the industrial genocide of of a group of
• 1:14:59
  people, right? And Juice just felt the
• 1:15:02
  practical need for a place where they wouldn't just be murdered
• 1:15:05
  for no reason, you know, like, where they can.
• 1:15:08
  Yeah, where they can make money and make something of their
• 1:15:10
  lives and nobody would just kill them to take it, like, right
• 1:15:13
  there. And And so the state of Israel
• 1:15:15
  came into existence from a very practical place, and the
• 1:15:20
  decisions that are continually made that appear from the
• 1:15:23
  outside to be drawn from a place of being.
• 1:15:30
  Contemptuous. Yeah, like trying to be able to
• 1:15:33
  say maximalist, they say it's, I mean, the terms you hear
• 1:15:36
  maximalist, what is the when you think you're better than
• 1:15:42
  somebody, Yeah. I'm just.
• 1:15:44
  Having a brain fart right now, yeah.
• 1:15:47
  OK, a lot of. The elitist, elitist.
• 1:15:50
  Yeah. So a lot of the idealistic terms
• 1:15:52
  that are used of levied Israel like come from a place of
• 1:15:55
  ignorance of the history of the conflict where these are
• 1:16:00
  practical considerations. This isn't like, you know, of
• 1:16:02
  course there are people in every society that are, that are
• 1:16:05
  racist, But the decisions that are made, let's say, are
• 1:16:09
  filtered through that lens of the, of the minority and not
• 1:16:12
  through the like objective lens of history, which is to say,
• 1:16:15
  like, why is there a border wall between, you know, the West Bank
• 1:16:19
  and, or today and Samaria and the rest of Israel proper,
• 1:16:23
  right? Is that an apartheid decision to
• 1:16:26
  limit the mobility of Palestinians?
• 1:16:29
  Or was it because, you know, five years leading up to it,
• 1:16:32
  buses were blowing up every fucking day and people just
• 1:16:34
  didn't want to keep dying going to school.
• 1:16:36
  And so they decided if this is what our enemy's going to do, we
• 1:16:39
  can't allow them freedom of movement, right.
• 1:16:41
  And ever since that wall's been up, hey, no suicide attacks.
• 1:16:45
  You know what a surprise, you know, or like I love this
• 1:16:49
  because I used to do secure. I used to be security guards.
• 1:16:52
  So I do private individuals. Cool you'd.
• 1:16:56
  Be a security guard for individuals, sure.
• 1:16:58
  People come to Israel and I would take them around and I
• 1:17:02
  keep them safe. And I'm also a medic, so it's
• 1:17:04
  like the full package. I know Hebrew.
• 1:17:05
  I know English. I was like, yeah.
• 1:17:07
  Yeah, that is convenient. Yeah, I'm the I'm.
• 1:17:13
  The fixer. Yeah.
• 1:17:14
  So, so they would ask, like, I see some of the license plates,
• 1:17:17
  you know, what's this between the yellow and the green license
• 1:17:19
  plate? And for them, what they see is I
• 1:17:22
  see Arab people driving around and I see they have green
• 1:17:25
  license plates. And I see that in Israel,
• 1:17:27
  everybody has yellow license plates, and most of the people
• 1:17:29
  who have them are Israeli. Is is it that Arabs have green
• 1:17:32
  license plates? And first of all, it is that
• 1:17:36
  Arabs have green license plates. But because.
• 1:17:37
  No, but actually the green license plates are from the
• 1:17:40
  Palestinian Authority. Right?
• 1:17:42
  And no Jews are allowed. You haven't mixed up.
• 1:17:43
  No, Jews are allowed to live in the Palestinian Authority or be
• 1:17:46
  part of the Palestinian Authority.
• 1:17:48
  Right. Gotcha.
• 1:17:49
  And so there's not going to be a Jew driving around with a green
• 1:17:51
  license plate. But it's because it's from a
• 1:17:52
  different state. It's like a different country.
• 1:17:54
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:56
  Right, but. Then if anybody else comes
• 1:17:57
  around, Israelis, Israelis and Palestinians have different
• 1:18:01
  license plates based on their race, right?
• 1:18:03
  Which is not true because there are Arabs drive around with
• 1:18:05
  yellow license plates with Israeli license plates, right?
• 1:18:07
  So not every so so not every yellow license plate is a Jew,
• 1:18:11
  but every green license plate is an animal.
• 1:18:13
  Exactly. And then so and then people will
• 1:18:15
  take that to mean that Israelis handing out green license plates
• 1:18:18
  to, yeah, Arabs, right? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:18:19
  That's what you're saying? Wow, I didn't even know that
• 1:18:22
  even existed, by the way, that that even the license plate.
• 1:18:25
  I didn't even know that the license, the license plate thing
• 1:18:26
  existed. That's interesting.
• 1:18:30
  Yeah, because there's been there's been a Palestinian
• 1:18:32
  state, not a full Palestinian state, but a a Palestinian
• 1:18:36
  territory with autonomy, you know, since the Oslo Accords and
• 1:18:40
  there had there's been one set of elections, you know, 20 years
• 1:18:43
  ago and there's never been a free election since then, right,
• 1:18:45
  Because, because why? Because if there were free
• 1:18:47
  elections and yeah, there would be colossal be elected about.
• 1:18:52
  Do you think if there were free elections, there's we we voted
• 1:18:55
  back in, Hamas would? Be voted in the West Bank into
• 1:18:57
  power. That's why in the West Bank.
• 1:18:59
  In the West Bank. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
• 1:19:00
  I mean, that's what happened in Gaza, right?
• 1:19:02
  Yeah, Well, there were elections after they met.
• 1:19:04
  Good. 2006, right? Do we know what the what the
• 1:19:10
  favorability is with Hamas in terms of the Gazans or and or
• 1:19:15
  the West people of the West Bank?
• 1:19:17
  That was the last week. How you can tested whether the
• 1:19:20
  statistics are accurate, Of course, in Gaza, especially in
• 1:19:24
  the West Bank, very high, very high, very high and.
• 1:19:28
  Just and and there's depends on who you are and they're unhappy
• 1:19:32
  with the Palestinian Authority. They'd rather from us over the
• 1:19:34
  Palestinian. All right, it's kind of.
• 1:19:35
  Like they, it's like our elections also, you know, yeah.
• 1:19:38
  MC South Park. Yeah, you know that South Park
• 1:19:40
  Church sandwich? And, you know, like that.
• 1:19:43
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:19:44
  Yeah, Yeah. It's kind of.
• 1:19:44
  Like for them it's the same thing.
• 1:19:46
  I would say they're not happy with either choice, but in terms
• 1:19:49
  of the Islamic like perspective on things there.
• 1:19:57
  Are. A lot of people who yeah, these
• 1:20:00
  are statistics, so you can look them up, but yeah, I think Hamas
• 1:20:03
  most for by by most understandings of the pal on the
• 1:20:07
  Palestinian side would win an election.
• 1:20:08
  And so Mahmoud Abbas, who is the funnest, is not a.
• 1:20:12
  Not Hamas, he's a different party has not held election
• 1:20:15
  since since he was elected. So so this kind of claim also
• 1:20:22
  that there's no Hamas in the West Bank that you hear
• 1:20:23
  subtitles wild, right? I never.
• 1:20:25
  Heard that yeah yeah. That there is no Hamas in the
• 1:20:28
  West Bank They. People say, you know, why is
• 1:20:30
  this all attacking the West Bank?
• 1:20:31
  There's no Hamas there. And there is and.
• 1:20:34
  The first of all, there is and second of all, militants don't
• 1:20:36
  have to be a part of a particular political
• 1:20:39
  organization to be pose a risk. Yeah, pose a risk to to citizens
• 1:20:43
  in the state of Israel. And it's wild because all you
• 1:20:47
  have to do is go off the Instagram, find some of these
• 1:20:50
  pictures, these kids with like M Sixteens and saying, you know, I
• 1:20:53
  want to kill all the Jews. And like, you know, it's not
• 1:20:55
  hard to find. But yeah, essentially a lot of
• 1:21:04
  this. So it's like, why is why is
• 1:21:07
  Israel have military control of area beat?
• 1:21:08
  You know, like practically because if they left, it would
• 1:21:11
  just become Gaza too, you know, just become another, another
• 1:21:16
  Gaza. And then people are like, OK, I
• 1:21:19
  love this argument, right. OK, so let's say in in Iraq or
• 1:21:24
  Afghanistan, we found we knew that if we killed a guy and he
• 1:21:28
  was a militant and we accidentally hit his son or
• 1:21:31
  whatever, and then the whole family, the whole family became
• 1:21:33
  militants. Like that was a well known.
• 1:21:35
  Yeah. Radicalized.
• 1:21:36
  Yeah. It's radicalization, right?
• 1:21:38
  Right. That's not the situation here.
• 1:21:41
  They're already radicalized. Like they already want to kill
• 1:21:43
  me. I'm not.
• 1:21:44
  I'm not upping the ante by by like accidentally hitting
• 1:21:48
  someone. That's another thing.
• 1:21:49
  Do we know what percent of civilians or how do we know what
• 1:21:57
  percent of civilians are sympathetic towards that?
• 1:21:59
  No SO. You OK, So it's really important
• 1:22:02
  and this is where I found a lot of us are Israelis and
• 1:22:04
  commentators kind of lose a thread, yes.
• 1:22:07
  You. Can you can absolutely hate me
• 1:22:10
  and want to kill me, that doesn't justify me going and and
• 1:22:12
  killing you. Like no, under no certain
• 1:22:14
  instances, right. So civilian casualties are
• 1:22:16
  simply like the guy's not holding the gun, you know, and
• 1:22:19
  they're they they were never interested in picking up a gun
• 1:22:22
  and they hate me, but they still want to kill me.
• 1:22:24
  They're still like, hey, I think this guy should die or not be
• 1:22:26
  here, right? Then I have no right.
• 1:22:29
  As even if they say even they're very explicit about it, say I
• 1:22:32
  don't think you should be here and I I hope that you die, it
• 1:22:34
  doesn't give me any right to go and kill them.
• 1:22:38
  But like, most of the population is of that situation, right?
• 1:22:42
  And so you have to figure out, OK, what to actually do.
• 1:22:45
  Like, it could be not everybody here wants to pick up a gun and
• 1:22:47
  kill me. Or it could be everybody here
• 1:22:48
  wants to. Most of them won't, Right?
• 1:22:52
  So like, I'm in a complicated situation, right?
• 1:22:54
  Yeah. I know that's what that's what
• 1:22:57
  I'm thinking. You know, that's we.
• 1:22:59
  Yeah, it. Starts with going back to our
• 1:23:01
  original part of this conversation.
• 1:23:02
  It starts with education, like going back I think an hour ago,
• 1:23:05
  right? Yeah, it starts with education.
• 1:23:07
  And it's, you said, you know, putting on the framework for,
• 1:23:10
  for, you know, for an 8 till from 8:00 AM to 7:00 PM is good,
• 1:23:13
  right, Because it gives you a lot of these kids are like,
• 1:23:17
  right in our schools, first of all.
• 1:23:18
  But mostly they're on the streets.
• 1:23:20
  Like mostly you'll see them on the streets.
• 1:23:22
  Like I know this from my experience in the West Bank
• 1:23:24
  extensively, right. I've been there, I think in, in
• 1:23:27
  over the course of my life as a soldier for more than a year.
• 1:23:29
  Like in different, in different in all kinds of different areas.
• 1:23:32
  And you see the same thing. You see these kids, no parents,
• 1:23:35
  like, no education, like ignorant of the world.
• 1:23:38
  They don't know. They don't know where Jerusalem
• 1:23:40
  is. Like they don't know where Tel
• 1:23:41
  Aviv is. Yes.
• 1:23:43
  Yeah, You know, like I, I distinctly remember this.
• 1:23:46
  I got on a bus. I'm a soldier.
• 1:23:48
  I got on a bus with my wife, girlfriend at the time, like a
• 1:23:50
  mother-in-law. Now we're going from Jerusalem
• 1:23:55
  to Haifa. We're on a bus that goes to
• 1:23:57
  Haifa. It's.
• 1:23:58
  Like 3 hours away. Yeah, it's.
• 1:24:00
  Up north, up north, yeah, exactly.
• 1:24:02
  To get to Haifa's three hours and on the bus it was during
• 1:24:06
  Ramadan. So you Ramadan a lot of the
• 1:24:09
  Palestinians get once you know, they get permits to come into
• 1:24:13
  Israel, you know, like, Oh my God, right, these subhumans, we
• 1:24:17
  let them in, you know, it's so annoying.
• 1:24:20
  I'm sorry, like like it's so far from reality.
• 1:24:23
  Anyways, like, so they get permits to come in and to travel
• 1:24:26
  because it's not it's not their country, but they we allow them
• 1:24:28
  in because it's their holy sites and we want to allow them to
• 1:24:31
  come and see their holy sites because we're not fucking
• 1:24:33
  assholes. Like no, really like and these
• 1:24:37
  kids get on the bus and they're in Israel.
• 1:24:38
  So they're not just going to go to the latest travel moment.
• 1:24:42
  So I start talking to one of these kids.
• 1:24:45
  He's like, can I hold your gun? It's like Arab kid, this
• 1:24:48
  Palestinian kid. And I'm like, first of all, no,
• 1:24:53
  but you don't want to take a picture, whatever, you know,
• 1:24:57
  like. And I asked him, so why are you
• 1:25:00
  on the bus? You know, where you going, where
• 1:25:01
  you from, where you going? He's like, oh, you know, I want
• 1:25:03
  to go to the beach and I'm like, you want to go to the beach?
• 1:25:06
  He's like, yeah, I want to go to the beach.
• 1:25:07
  I'm like, why are you going to Haifa?
• 1:25:08
  He's like, that's where the beach is.
• 1:25:09
  No, Yeah. Like he's in Jerusalem.
• 1:25:11
  Yeah. Go to Tel Aviv.
• 1:25:12
  Yeah, he has. No, Tel Aviv is.
• 1:25:13
  Yeah, there's no Haifa is there's no anything, right?
• 1:25:16
  He lives. He lives 20 minutes away.
• 1:25:18
  Yeah, that's not, that's not Israel.
• 1:25:20
  That's like living him in head. And not knowing where Monty is.
• 1:25:22
  Yeah, that's. Not Israel.
• 1:25:23
  That's not Israel, right? That's your fundamental failure
• 1:25:26
  of your society to teach you anything, right?
• 1:25:28
  Like, yeah, right. Like you can go blame Israel.
• 1:25:32
  Maybe that this guy hasn't seen the ocean.
• 1:25:34
  I'll accept that criticism, right?
• 1:25:35
  And I think we should improve that.
• 1:25:36
  Like, you know, everybody should be able to go everywhere, but
• 1:25:39
  this kid is so ignorant about just where he lives, right?
• 1:25:44
  And that's not Israel. That's your parents.
• 1:25:46
  That's your society. That's your family, you know,
• 1:25:49
  like wild, right? So I think it starts with
• 1:25:55
  education. Like if you want to get anywhere
• 1:25:58
  with the Israeli Palestinian conflict, there has to be
• 1:26:03
  education away from hate. And on a practical level, what
• 1:26:06
  that means is within Israel today, there are like an E
• 1:26:10
  Jerusalem. There are schools like Arab
• 1:26:14
  schools that teach anti Israel narratives that are funded by
• 1:26:21
  the Israeli Ministry of Education right?
• 1:26:23
  What? Does that mean?
• 1:26:23
  Yeah. Why?
• 1:26:24
  What is that? Well.
• 1:26:25
  First of all, again, because Israel's not a fucking asshole.
• 1:26:28
  So we have kids in our country and we want them to get an
• 1:26:30
  education. So that's, that's any government
• 1:26:33
  there, right? Like, like in the same way that
• 1:26:35
  kids should have no kid should starve in a country, right?
• 1:26:38
  And no kid should go without an education in a country.
• 1:26:41
  Now we're dancing around a sensitive political situation
• 1:26:43
  where you don't want this be seen as somebody who's re
• 1:26:46
  educating, right? You don't want to like be seen
• 1:26:49
  as a this this group of people who's forcing an education onto
• 1:26:52
  something interesting, right? And so there's.
• 1:26:55
  This is the class of. Education.
• 1:26:56
  We want to get some damage. If you're doing damage, if you
• 1:26:58
  don't correct, it's just like, oh, why are you popping up your
• 1:27:00
  enemies? If you really care about it,
• 1:27:01
  then why are you? Why are you paying for the
• 1:27:02
  education? On the other hand, it's like,
• 1:27:03
  oh, why are you brainwashing your why are you brainwashing
• 1:27:05
  these poor people and entitles your own opinions?
• 1:27:08
  And I was like, yeah, his. Arabs are being damaged.
• 1:27:10
  At the education system, right? So, So what happens is that we
• 1:27:14
  say, OK, we want these kids to get an education.
• 1:27:17
  We don't, by the way, this happens.
• 1:27:18
  I'm saying this specifically about the Arab sector, but this
• 1:27:21
  is true for the ultra Orthodox sector, for the party also where
• 1:27:24
  we also allow this, we give them money.
• 1:27:26
  And then where do they go? They teach anti anti like they
• 1:27:29
  teach information that's against the state of Israel, that's
• 1:27:32
  against integrating into society.
• 1:27:35
  I'll say in both cases, right, they teach an education that
• 1:27:38
  limits your ability to integrate into society by limits teaching
• 1:27:42
  in a language that is not commonly spoken within the
• 1:27:45
  greater Society of Israel. So in the Karidi systems, it's
• 1:27:47
  it's Yiddish. They'll teach only in Yiddish.
• 1:27:51
  Some of them don't even want to speak Hebrew.
• 1:27:52
  Really. Yeah.
• 1:27:53
  Holy wow. Yeah.
• 1:27:54
  And then in in Arab society, they'll teach it in Arabic,
• 1:27:57
  Right. So in the East Jerusalem,
• 1:27:58
  they'll teach only in Arabic. In East Jerusalem we go one step
• 1:28:01
  further, right. So there they'll they'll at
• 1:28:02
  least teach the math. They want you to teach the math
• 1:28:05
  right. They're one step further and
• 1:28:07
  teach the math in a language that that in the numerals that
• 1:28:10
  aren't the standard numerals that you know really they won't
• 1:28:13
  teach them 1234. They'll teach them in the Arabic
• 1:28:15
  numerals for for numbers, which is what it's cool.
• 1:28:18
  It's. So interesting.
• 1:28:19
  It's a whole. Different set of numerals really
• 1:28:21
  is the same. Rules of math though.
• 1:28:23
  The rules are the same. The rules are exactly the same
• 1:28:25
  because it's like it's universal rule set.
• 1:28:27
  But the way that they, that's cool, but the way that you write
• 1:28:30
  it is different. That's interesting.
• 1:28:31
  Yeah, and what? Does that do?
• 1:28:32
  What does that do? And I know this because I was in
• 1:28:34
  school with them, right? Israeli soldier in school with
• 1:28:37
  kids from Palestinian villages. Wild.
• 1:28:41
  And we talked about it so. Yeah, that they.
• 1:28:44
  Clashed together. We do, we do this.
• 1:28:46
  And what is it? They take a bunch of people who
• 1:28:49
  didn't finish their bugaboo, who didn't finish their standardized
• 1:28:51
  testing here in Israel. And with them are kids who went
• 1:28:55
  through a full quality education in Israel, are fully educated,
• 1:28:58
  but have no way of integrating. They don't speak Hebrew and they
• 1:29:01
  don't have a correct, they can't do math.
• 1:29:03
  So they come and spend a whole year doing this fucking thing
• 1:29:06
  just so they can learn Hebrew and learn how to do math in a
• 1:29:08
  different numeral system. Okay.
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  And then you're like, why? Like these are smart kids?
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  Yeah, they're smart kids. And like some of them like, you
• 1:29:17
  know, are going doctors and and. And for what?
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  Just to keep them out of Israeli society, right?
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  Just to isolate them and make sure that they never mix with
• 1:29:24
  this Israeli society, right. So first step there is make sure
• 1:29:28
  either just don't give them funding.
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  You say, hey, you either teach, right, the education system that
• 1:29:33
  we teach in Israel or don't take money.
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  Like that's fine. You can you want to go to
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  private school. You're welcome to go to private
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  school. Like, I think there are inherent
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  issues with that as well, like, but at the very least the state
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  shouldn't be like funding. It's like a means for its own
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  destruction, you know? Yeah, it's crazy to do that.
• 1:29:51
  It's interesting. But again, damned if you do,
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  damned if you don't. Yeah.
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  Exactly. What?
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  It's racist. You're not funding these schools
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  that are the Arab schools. No, it just happens to be the
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  Arab schools that are teaching. Like, hey, by the way, go talk
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  to these kids. Very amicable, right?
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  Like we studied together for a year, we got along some of them
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  or even like they're all friendly.
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  They're not nobody's not friendly.
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  They're like 1819 year old 17. They're very nice.
• 1:30:15
  Like come with you in bed. Cuties, but you don't.
• 1:30:18
  Talk to them about politics. And they fully think you
• 1:30:20
  shouldn't be here. Like, they just, they're not
• 1:30:22
  even. They don't mince words about
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  either. They're like, yeah, we just
• 1:30:25
  think you should either. You know, we don't want you to
• 1:30:27
  be here. And we don't think the state of
• 1:30:28
  the show should exist, Right? And they're in an Israeli
• 1:30:30
  institution and they're getting an education fully paid for by
• 1:30:33
  the Israeli government. And, you know, they're giving
• 1:30:36
  they're given opportunities right to to study in this fairly
• 1:30:40
  high like academic institutes. So we do this thing where we
• 1:30:44
  like kind of don't go anywhere. We're like, OK, you can be a
• 1:30:46
  part of this other side of being also hate us.
• 1:30:48
  You know, like there's a phrase, you know, which is to say not
• 1:30:55
  from the honey and not from the from the Stinger, OK, Like
• 1:30:58
  nothing. It should either be you're here
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  and you're with us and you're, you know, like 100% or you're
• 1:31:03
  not with us. That reminds me, like when I
• 1:31:05
  October 7th came around, I was called up to reserves and I came
• 1:31:08
  back four months later to my lab to discover that all the
• 1:31:12
  international students who were a part of my program, who were
• 1:31:15
  part of my lab left. And I was really torn.
• 1:31:17
  I was, yeah. I was really upset about it.
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  And. But like, why would why wouldn't
• 1:31:21
  they leave? Right.
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  But like, for me, it's like, is that the kind of friends that I
• 1:31:24
  want? You know, like when it's a
• 1:31:26
  little bit hard, you know, I'm busting my ass so that you could
• 1:31:29
  stay here. Yeah, But you could continue
• 1:31:30
  living here. Yeah.
• 1:31:31
  And you could just leave, you know?
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  Like for me, it was like, I hear that.
• 1:31:35
  Yeah. But I get it.
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  Also, like you don't have anything like.
• 1:31:38
  Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we're actually just
• 1:31:41
  talking about that yesterday. We're talking about like going
• 1:31:44
  to business with friends and how like it's almost, it's almost a
• 1:31:47
  not fair thing to do because like you're essentially forcing
• 1:31:50
  yourself to make a decision between a caring for yourself
• 1:31:53
  and your family or your relationship, you know, and like
• 1:31:56
  going to. Post it goes bad.
• 1:31:57
  Yeah, if it goes. Bad.
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  That's what I'm saying. Yeah, sure, you know and like,
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  but you can. Set it up beforehand so that you
• 1:32:02
  know, everything's very clear and it's like, you know,
• 1:32:04
  there's. Ways around but you know I'm a
• 1:32:09
  little skeptical when it comes to that kind of thing I think
• 1:32:10
  that people become very different when it comes to money
• 1:32:13
  I think that people are different animals when it comes
• 1:32:15
  to money or business or yeah you.
• 1:32:17
  Ever see Dave Chappelle? You know what?
• 1:32:20
  It's so funny. I love standing up.
• 1:32:21
  I never got too brilliant. So he does a great, it's not
• 1:32:24
  Even so funny, but he just does this like hour long sketch where
• 1:32:28
  he just sits and talks and gets like, was it equanimity in the
• 1:32:31
  bird or I don't know, something like that.
• 1:32:33
  And he tells us this really great story there when he was
• 1:32:35
  young and he saw these guys doing 5 card Monte doing a scam
• 1:32:39
  and he told people about it. He's like, hey, they're just
• 1:32:44
  scaring. And he tells how this guy grabs
• 1:32:46
  him, you know, and says to him, never get between a man and his
• 1:32:50
  bread like, you know, like. That's scary, dude.
• 1:32:54
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:32:55
  And you know what, like it's true.
• 1:32:57
  Yeah, like, you know, like yeah, yeah, yeah, putting yourself in
• 1:33:00
  that situation with friends where you're not sure how
• 1:33:02
  they're going to ramp. It's like yeah, that's worried.
• 1:33:07
  So that was that, that so, so for me, like the question of
• 1:33:10
  Israel and being in Israel and helping, helping these guys,
• 1:33:14
  let's say going back and seven Mikey, helping these guys like
• 1:33:16
  get ready for the army is a practical question.
• 1:33:18
  It's like not even a, it's not a philosophical question of like,
• 1:33:21
  you know, we Israel needs high quality people in this country.
• 1:33:25
  They need people to serve in the IDF.
• 1:33:28
  They need people afterwards to be a part of Israel's society.
• 1:33:33
  And I, I think the state of Israel needs to exist on a
• 1:33:35
  practical level for for Jews to feel safe.
• 1:33:38
  And our enemies need to feel that there's this thing that
• 1:33:40
  they can fixate on, you know, like, otherwise, you know,
• 1:33:43
  imagine if the state of Israel didn't exist.
• 1:33:46
  Yeah. The extremism would still exist.
• 1:33:48
  And now it would just be who would bear the brunt to that?
• 1:33:50
  You know, it would be The Who would be the big bad Jews, you
• 1:33:52
  know, like the American Jews. There'd be like some other
• 1:33:55
  French. British whatever, right?
• 1:33:57
  Yeah. Yeah, so, so for me it's like
• 1:34:00
  very much so you. So, So the what do you call it?
• 1:34:03
  So the program integrates lone soldiers, prepares them for the
• 1:34:06
  Army. Yeah, we like give them a, we
• 1:34:10
  train them twice a week. So essentially that's like
• 1:34:12
  simulation. So we give for them for what
• 1:34:13
  basic training is gonna be like. We're there.
• 1:34:15
  We give them kind of like we explode.
• 1:34:19
  First of all, they have to be keeper.
• 1:34:20
  So that's already like way out of their comfort zone.
• 1:34:23
  Yeah, the instructors are not nice.
• 1:34:26
  During the sessions. We simulate what it'll be like
• 1:34:28
  to have a commander invasive training.
• 1:34:31
  So, you know, do you flip? Off after.
• 1:34:34
  Yeah, of course. So.
• 1:34:34
  Like, yeah, that's a big. Part of it sitting down, are
• 1:34:37
  you? Fucking kidding me.
• 1:34:40
  I'm just kidding. Dude stole the phone.
• 1:34:45
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:34:47
  So. After, that's a big part of what
• 1:34:49
  we do that I think some other organizations aren't so good at,
• 1:34:52
  where it's like turning that switch off and just being a
• 1:34:54
  person, a peer mentor that they can talk to is is we found super
• 1:34:59
  important. Like having that conversation,
• 1:35:01
  being hard as nails on them during like, you know, expecting
• 1:35:05
  the world of them varying. And then afterwards just being
• 1:35:07
  somebody they can talk to is really, really important.
• 1:35:10
  I think that's just education. We also like there's like a
• 1:35:12
  phrase and people are just talking this fantasy.
• 1:35:15
  There's the time for jokes and there's the time for work, Like
• 1:35:17
  yeah, yeah, yeah. So for us, it's very important
• 1:35:19
  that our instructors have that ability.
• 1:35:21
  I think in general, as an educator, you should have that
• 1:35:23
  ability. You should know to put those for
• 1:35:25
  boundaries. It's just good practice.
• 1:35:27
  You know, like you're in class, you know, all good.
• 1:35:30
  You know, you're friendly with the kid and but you can't just,
• 1:35:33
  you know, make make trouble because you're friendly.
• 1:35:35
  Yeah. As a parent, same thing.
• 1:35:37
  Yeah. Like there's teacher.
• 1:35:38
  Same thing. Yeah, you.
• 1:35:38
  Kids need to understand like, OK, like, hey, you know, there's
• 1:35:41
  times where you can wrestle and fight and yell and there's times
• 1:35:44
  where you just got to chill. Like, you know, like it's a.
• 1:35:48
  It's a hard thing to teach. It's a nuance.
• 1:35:49
  It's it's, it's subtle, right? Right.
• 1:35:51
  And some kids don't have that from their frameworks back at
• 1:35:53
  home. Yeah.
• 1:35:54
  Then they meet it here. They're like, why is this guy
• 1:35:56
  being an asshole? Yeah.
• 1:35:57
  And we got to pull them over and be like, I'm trying to teach
• 1:35:59
  you, fucker. Like, shut up.
• 1:36:02
  Like, like, I'm here for you, dude.
• 1:36:03
  I think I'm forward like, yeah, I don't want to be here.
• 1:36:05
  You're my wife. Like, you know, like yeah, yeah,
• 1:36:09
  it's very that's us a really important and we force them to
• 1:36:11
  do this is like be self critical.
• 1:36:13
  You know, don't just be like, oh, I didn't want to you know,
• 1:36:16
  like, you know, if you quit out, if you if you're if you like
• 1:36:20
  stop doing something, if you said you can't do something like
• 1:36:23
  why? You know, it's not just like
• 1:36:25
  because you know, don't just be reactive, Don't be the don't
• 1:36:28
  just be an animal that's reacting to whatever.
• 1:36:30
  Like, think about it for a second, understand what caused
• 1:36:33
  you to fail there, what caused you to succeed and what you can
• 1:36:37
  really gain from it. And then we find like, really
• 1:36:40
  good outcomes. But I feel like that's also
• 1:36:41
  really hard to know. Am I doing good?
• 1:36:45
  It's so easy to just have people tell you you're doing good, but
• 1:36:48
  never really know if you're actually having a positive
• 1:36:51
  impact. Yeah, of.
• 1:36:52
  Course, you have to give honest feedback so that when you give
• 1:36:56
  good feedback it means something, right?
• 1:36:58
  It's not even that. It's like there's a fine line
• 1:37:03
  between giving people tools and giving people, making people
• 1:37:08
  overconfident, especially when it comes to drafting to a
• 1:37:12
  foreign military. So we see it like, like very
• 1:37:15
  quickly. But I don't want anybody going
• 1:37:20
  through my program, finishing my program, drafting to the IDF and
• 1:37:23
  thinking that they're ready for the for what they're about to
• 1:37:25
  do. Yeah, I don't want that.
• 1:37:27
  I want them to be on their toes and humble and, like aware
• 1:37:30
  themselves so that when they get there, they're like, all right,
• 1:37:35
  I just worked really hard, but like, I got a lot of work to do
• 1:37:37
  now. Yeah.
• 1:37:38
  Of. Course forward.
• 1:37:39
  So just set them up just. Stop the mentality.
• 1:37:41
  Get you ready for what's? Coming ahead, there's a lot of
• 1:37:43
  programs. Am I going to point any fingers,
• 1:37:45
  like kind of give participants this false understanding that
• 1:37:51
  they're like ready, Like I'm really hard.
• 1:37:53
  You know, I did really hard things, like physically hard
• 1:37:56
  things. So now I'm good to go.
• 1:37:59
  And then I feel like that's the worst because then they come in,
• 1:38:01
  they're like, I'm so fucking hard.
• 1:38:03
  I can do anything. Yeah.
• 1:38:04
  And these Israelis are bitches and they can't do shit.
• 1:38:06
  You know, Israelis like and it's true.
• 1:38:10
  It's a conscript army, so and they Israeli can't do anything.
• 1:38:14
  And I'm so prepared and they're so under prepared.
• 1:38:17
  And then what you end up having is just like I who just doesn't
• 1:38:20
  get along with anybody. Yeah, maybe they're physically
• 1:38:22
  like a stud and they can do whatever, but like, everybody
• 1:38:25
  hates them and they hate everybody else.
• 1:38:27
  And then they don't mess. Yeah, they don't succeed.
• 1:38:30
  Wow. It's like I maybe jumped a few
• 1:38:31
  steps there in the, in the logical.
• 1:38:33
  No, I hear, I hear. I hear, I hear.
• 1:38:36
  But that's just. An example, and I'm sure, yeah,
• 1:38:38
  you would as an educator can also think of examples of things
• 1:38:41
  that maybe you're doing that I might like, maybe give your
• 1:38:47
  students might be helpful, but then you're maybe not so sure
• 1:38:49
  like what the actual outcomes are.
• 1:38:51
  For example, like, hey, take a day off, you know, you know,
• 1:38:54
  yeah, could be helpful and it could.
• 1:38:56
  Not be right, you would have to. Check right you have to like.
• 1:38:59
  Go a year. Later and look back and see
• 1:39:00
  like, OK, what were the grades like and how did that work out
• 1:39:03
  for me? Yeah, yeah, it's awesome.
• 1:39:09
  It's awesome program, dude. It's awesome idea.
• 1:39:12
  It's really cool. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:39:13
  Set up my game.com, check it out.
• 1:39:15
  Yeah, go into okay, dude. Let's call it here just because
• 1:39:20
  everybody's up, everyone's up and about.
• 1:39:22
  There's tons of fun, yeah. This is long.
• 1:39:24
  This is shit out. Yeah, dude.
• 1:39:26
  There's more I want to even get to, but we're not going.
• 1:39:28
  I'm sorry. Yeah, it's okay, we'll get to
• 1:39:31
  the next time, but this is a lot of fun, dude.
• 1:39:33
  We should. We'll do it again, I hope.
• 1:39:35
  I would love to. I'd love.
• 1:39:36
  To and when you have proper mics, we have.
• 1:39:38
  Proper mics, Yeah, I'll do. How about this?
• 1:39:41
  I'll get a proper mic if we're, if we're doing it on the phone,
• 1:39:46
  if you have a proper mic too. So our audio call is OK.
• 1:39:49
  Yeah, I'll do it. OK, dude, thanks so much for
• 1:39:52
  doing this. It's a lot of fun.
• 1:39:53
  All right, Bye everyone.