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The JETS trade QUINNEN WILLIAMS and SAUCE GARDNER! · NY's Sports Loud Mouth (VIDEO)

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They're going to have a ton of money to spend.
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Why not put it in one of the top three offensive players in the
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league? We're going to be looking at
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Aaron Judge and saying that he can't win the big game, Michael
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Jordan said. I played 82 games.
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You don't see LeBron. Doing that, a game where you got
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to go. Before I told you giant feet
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I I want to say something. I am one of the most weirdest
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people when it comes to doing things before the show and
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usually I have a little bit of string cheese, but I haven't
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done that on the show for a while because Jabba likes to
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attack me on the way I peel the string cheese or I eat the
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string cheese. You don't peel it, you're a
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serial killer and you eat string.
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Cheese. I do.
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Yeah. Well, what?
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I mean, what? How do you eat cheese?
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I know you you use it to. String it string cheese, yeah.
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It's to me, it's the same thing as eating a whole bunch of
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cheese. So and, and if anybody has gone
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to weddings or parties, jobber you're going to have a wedding
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soon or you're going to have some kind of party.
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There is a lot of cheese at those parties and you get to
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choose what kind of cheese you want to eat.
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I like all different kinds. I like prevalone, I like, I like
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all of them. So I'm a test taster.
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OK, so before the show I bought a a bunch of fruit.
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So you have these bowls and you have watermelon, you have
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cantaloupe, you have all the different berries, everything.
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So what I do is I'm OCD when it comes to fruit so I put the
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fruit in different bowls and I choose what I want to eat before
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I eat them it it and I can't eat the same fruit at once because I
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want to test taste how the fruit actually taste from the bowl so.
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Wouldn't it be taste testing, not test taste?
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No, I like test taste. You know that?
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That's my way of using my word play.
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OK so I test taste instead of taste test.
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So what I do is I put it in different bowls and I have my
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berries, I got some blueberries, strawberries, I've got some
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cantaloupe, I've got some honeydew and I have some
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watermelon. And it's weird because I go
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through like 7 or 8 bowls. And This is why Brittany always
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tells me you're a weirdo and this is really sick.
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Only sick people do this. And I said, I say to her, how
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could you go through a whole bowl sticking your hand in?
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If I I don't want other people sticking their hand in my bowl,
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I don't want you sticking your hand in a bowl.
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You work as a nurse. I don't want your hands in my
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bowl. So what I do is I put it in
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separate bowls. So if somebody wants a Berry,
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strawberry, you know, anything you want, you can go in the bowl
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and grab it. So before the show, I had it all
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set up on my counter. And after my shower, I'm, you
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know, choosing what I'm going to eat.
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And the watermelon had this weird, like potent taste.
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It's not, it doesn't taste like watermelon.
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So I, I, I tasted it and I just, I don't know what it tasted
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like, but it didn't taste like watermelon.
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So it, it tasted bad. So I wanted to go back to me
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farms to get another bowl because they gave me bad
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watermelon. Does that seem weird, Speedy?
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Does that seem weird? You could taste test as many
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things as you want. But you're a weird person too,
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because I've seen you, you've gone to different places around
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the world and, and and around the country, and you like to
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taste anything. It doesn't matter what it is.
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It could be a horse's ass. No, you would taste it.
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You would taste it. You you like meat, right?
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I wouldn't eat an ass. But if it's cooked, you might
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not even know if it's an ass. A cow's ass.
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You like beef, right? Yeah, but that's not an ass.
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The New York Jets made moves at the trade deadline on Tuesday,
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sending both Sauce Gardner and Quinn and Williams away in two
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different massive deals. First, The Jets shocked the
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league in trading Sauce Garner. Yes, Ahmed.
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Ahmed Gardner if you want to, yeah, I know there's a lot of
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people that don't want to know and call him Sauce anymore.
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Ahmed Gardner to the cult for two first round picks and their
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second year receiver Mitchell. The Jets only had to pay $15
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million to source his deal by trading him.
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Then The Jets made Jerry Jones's day trading the Cowboys
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defensive tackle Quinn Williams for a first round pick and a
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second round pick and a third year defensive tackle in Smith
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SN Wise. Connor Hughes reports that Quinn
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in requested a trade three different occasions with The
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Jets for over 2 years. The Athletic reports that The
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Jets were unwilling to trade with any AFC East rivals despite
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getting decent offers. The Jets said that Garrett
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Wilson was the only player that was completely untouchable in
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trades. The Jets held on to Bruce Hall
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and Jermaine Johnson after not getting a good enough offer for
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either player, which was reported to be a third round
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pick for Hall and a second round pick for Johnson.
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Everybody that is a Jet fan, we're going crazy about this
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story. The Jets finally make noise at
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the trade deadline. Maybe not in a good way in some
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people's minds, but in my thought and the way I categorize
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what has happened with the New York Jets.
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The Jets right now are rebuilding.
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They have a new coach that a lot of fans don't like for some
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reason. I I have no idea why after 1/2 a
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season they're just throwing them away.
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This is a guy that is their own. This is a guy that was drafted
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by The Jets. This is a guy that was
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successful as a player with The Jets.
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We all know this was not Aaron Glenn's roster.
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This was Robert AKA Bambi Sala's roster.
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That's whose roster it was. All these players.
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Quinton Williams, who wasn't even drafted by Joe Douglas in
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that regime. He was drafted with the regime
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before that. He was the only guy still a part
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of that regime on the roster. Source.
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Gardner, who is a sensational player, but over the last past
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year and a half has not played, as far as I'm concerned, in PFF
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ways as an elite corner. This year.
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He was ranked in the 20s in PFF. Last year it was closer to the
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teens. He's an elite corner when you
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look at the size and the ability that this kid has, but the
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things that he does on the field, yanking on jerseys and
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maybe not playing as hard as you would expect a top corner to
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play, it makes you worry if you're going to pay a guy $30
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million, that kind of money and not get the most out of him.
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Aaron Glenn obviously didn't think that he would fit the
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culture in that locker room, and I've heard through the Grapevine
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that he hasn't been a culture setter in that locker room.
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Then there's Quinton Williams. Quinton Williams, who I have a
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lot of respect for, he's been a top defensive lineman in the
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league for the last 5-6 years, got a lot of money from The
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Jets. He had one great season with The
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Jets where I remember he had over 10 sacks.
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It reminds me of quite a few defensive players in the past.
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And we'll have Quentin Couples on the show and I'm sure he
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knows who I'm speaking about. I will give you one of those
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guys, Muhammad Wilkerson. Muhammad Wilkerson had one great
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season for the New York Jets and then got an extension.
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I remember there were a lot of New York broadcasters that said
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if they don't sign Muhammad Wilkinson, I'm done with The
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Jets. Well, they signed him.
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They gave him a big time deal worth about $87,000,000.
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He was one of the highest paid defensive lineman and then he
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broke his fibula. He was never the same player.
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And again, going back to The Jets, in the back end of the New
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York Jets, there's a lot to not like about this organization.
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One of them, your owner's name is Woody Johnson.
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Woody Johnson. That by itself scares me when
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we're talking about a guy's name, Woody, and his last name,
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Johnson. He hasn't done anything for this
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organization as far as put the right guys in position to
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succeed. He has been the voice of reason
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when it comes to picking up players and selling them off.
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He's also a guy that opened his mouth so far this season and
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thrown his starting quarterback onto the bus.
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You don't want to hear that from your owner because when you have
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an owner that opens his mouth to the media, what else is he
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telling? To what?
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What else is he telling the media?
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The New York Jets are an organization that is the
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laughing stock of the NFL longest tenure of teams not to
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make the playoffs. And when you look at that, 15
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years not in the playoffs and rooting for this team who has
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some of the best fans, I won't. I won't lie about this.
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I attacked the Jet fans, but the Jet fans are reliable when it
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comes to going to games, showing up and rooting for this horrible
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team called Gangrene, which by the way, they should change the
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name. It's it's a horrible name.
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It's probably one of the worst things about him.
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Source. Gardner is a guy that is dating
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a rapper named Ice Spice. OK.
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During the offseason, it was big in the tabloids.
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As important as what The Jets did in the offseason.
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That is what I heard about the New York Jets.
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Hey guess what everybody Sauce is dating.
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I spice, who cares? And the fact right now is Sauce
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is going to a team that gave the New York Jets 2 first round
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picks. Now we don't know what those
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picks are going to be. We don't know what Darren Mookie
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is going to do with those picks. We don't know if Darren Mookie
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can actually draft. We don't know.
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But what I do know about this team and about this coaching
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staff is Steve Wilkes will not, will not be here next year.
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I could guarantee that. And this team of misfits, and I
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mean misfits because you have Bruce Hall coming out and and
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pretty much ordering The Jets to trade him at the trade deadline,
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saying he wants out. That's why The Jets didn't trade
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him. And then Quincy Williams came
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out after his brother was traded to the Cowboys and said, you
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know, some interesting things and posted stupid things.
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And that's why The Jets are sitting him out as a backup
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linebacker. This guy was The Jets best
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linebacker going into the season and now he's a secondary player
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that might not even start for the rest of the season.
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Why? Because he's a big mouth and The
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Jets have always let these players speak their mind.
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Not anymore. Aaron Glenn does not want his
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players going out there and abusing the media.
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Over the last couple of years, Robert Sala has allowed these
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idiots to go out there, speak their mind, and throw the
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organization under the bus. Like a clown, Like a circus,
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like a circus clown. And the New York Jets have
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always been looked at as a circus.
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And Aaron Glenn does not want to be looked at like that anymore.
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And I don't think Darren Mookie wants that either.
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Now, Woody Johnson needs to stay away.
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He needs to keep his mouth shut. That is something that they need
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to figure out how to control. But what The Jets did at the
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trade deadline was a slam dunk. Guys, think about this.
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I don't care what players, Mitchell or Smith, those guys
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might not be a part of the team at the end of the season.
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I don't know. We'll see.
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Mitchell's young, he's 23 years old.
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He'll have a chance to make the team next year.
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He was the second round talent. He could still be very, very
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good. We'll see.
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The Jets will develop him. The Colts did not because they
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didn't need them. They had Pittman, they had
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Downs. They have a bunch of good wide
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receivers there. They didn't need Mitchell.
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They drafted him in the second round last year.
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It didn't work, but with these picks, it sets The Jets up very
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well going into the next two off seasons and now they have to
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find a franchise quarterback. They have to.
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It is a must to find a franchise quarterback in the next two
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seasons. Now, I don't know if it's going
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to be in this year's draft because The Jets screwed up
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again. They beat Cincinnati at the tail
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end of the game where they were the bona fide number one pick.
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And then all of a sudden at the trade deadline, they move sauce.
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They move quitting and pretty much tell you we give up on the
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season, we're waving the flag, the season is over for us.
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Then why would you win that game if you know the season is over?
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That was the stupidity of this organization.
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I remember now. Thank God Trevor Lawrence is not
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a Jet after what we've seen over the last couple of years with
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the Jaguars. But the Jet fans were pissed off
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when they beat the Rams. I mentioned that on the show
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about a week ago because they lost out on Trevor Lawrence.
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Instead, they got Zach Wilson and we all know what he was
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doing with his mother's best friend.
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It's a problem when you bring in the wrong guys to an
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organization that's been a laughingstock.
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We look at so many organizations that have been laughingstocks.
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Cleveland laughingstock, Cincinnati laughingstock.
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I could go on and on and on. Miami laughingstock.
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There are like 6 or 7 teams in the NFL that are successful and
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have been successful over the last 25 years and you all know
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who they are because ownership success of leaving in place the
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right coaching staff. That is what makes teams
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successful. The Jets here in New York, they
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don't know how to hold on to coaches, GMs, you name it,
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assistance. They have one guy that they've
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held on to, and that's because he's the owner of the team.
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It doesn't. And even him, he wasn't there
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because he decided to move to England when Donald Trump went
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on to take over for the United States and his brother Chris was
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running the show. It's an organization that's been
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a joke and me as a Jet fan, I'm wearing a Danny Donge jersey
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because I just got it. I it's a Colts jersey.
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I know Fish doesn't like it and that's why I love it and I got
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it made and I will show you what it says in the back.
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My problem here is not what Darren Mooji has done.
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There is nothing that tells me, yes, Fish, thank you.
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My thoughts to what Darren Mooji has done at the trade deadline
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is not bad. It's good because what he is
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trying to do is send away the bed in that locker room.
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Now, Quinn Williams didn't want to be there.
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We've heard through the Grapevine for the last two years
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he didn't want to be there. Bruce Hall doesn't want to be
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there. So The Jets are going to do what
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they need to do in signing trade.
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I guarantee you they're going to sign him or they're going to
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what it What do they call that? Speedy franchise tag?
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Franchise tag Bruce Hall in the offseason just to piss him off
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and they're going to move them. They're going to do what they
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want with him, dangle him around until somebody gives them what
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they want, which is a third round pick.
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The Jets have done the right thing.
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Jet fans sit back and just smile you.
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Did you think that this was going to be a fun season?
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Did you think that this was going to be a great season?
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Do you really think that this team can compete right now
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against the New England Patriots and what they put together with
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Vrabel? You had a chance to hire Vrabel.
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If you wanted Vrabel, you shouldn't have let him leave New
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Jersey. He left and he went to the
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Patriots. If you wanted him so bad, you
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should have given him whatever he wanted.
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And that's why I think Aaron Glenn was the right fit for the
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right organization. He wants to be here.
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He wants to win here. He wants to show fans that they
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can win here. Why is everybody attacking what
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they have done at a trade deadline that was wide open and
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they got three first round draft picks and a second rounder for
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the next two years? Why is there so much sorrow and
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so much craziness right now in Jetland?
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Because the Jet fans should sit back and shut up.
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Zipper your mouths, put a beak on it.
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I don't know how you put a beak on it, but you could do
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something like that. I mean, kiss something, put
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something when you put a sausage in your mouth.
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Speedy likes that, right? I do.
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The problem right now is going to be what the offseason is
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going to lie with this new regime.
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Are The Jets going to make the right move?
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And what the right move is this offseason is deciding if there
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is a quarterback in this class they really, really want?
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And is that quarterback going to take this team to the next
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level, which they've been looking for for the last 50
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years? And I don't know if there's one
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I've, I believe Fernando Mendozo is.
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Mendoza is a guy that I like, but does does that mean he's
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going to be a franchise play? I don't know.
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And fans, you don't know because once you go to the NFL, it's a
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fast-paced game. It's different than the NCAA.
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This is not playing the SEC, the Big 10 or a PAC 12.
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This is different. It is different at the speed of
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the game is completely different.
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And Zach Wilson, he had no idea what he was walking into.
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He didn't know what the media was going to do to him because
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as soon as he decided to speak to the media and say the things
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that he said and show up to Broadway shows and find out who
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his uncle is, he owns JetBlue. I mean, there's so many things
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that you wonder with the New York Jets that more than meets
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the eye about an organization that has been nothing but a joke
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and a laughing stock of everybody.
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Think about it. Rich Eisen is a Jet fan.
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He was excited about Aaron, Aaron Rodgers.
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How quick was that over? How, how quick was that
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marriage? It was done in a in a game
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really in 4 plays. Aaron Rodgers career with the
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New York Jets ended in 4 plays and I don't care about the
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season they played after that. It ended in 4 plays.
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And then when we look at some of the things that The Jets have
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done over the years, trading Sam Donald for a second and a fourth
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where I thought Joe Douglas should have kept that and held
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on to Sam Donald. What did The Jets give Sam
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Donald when he was here? Nothing.
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They gave him nothing, no weapons, nada.
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So what did they do? They brought in a BYU
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quarterback, which I agree. I said that I thought he was
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going to be good. A quarterback that didn't last
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more than a season where everybody said this guy isn't
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the right guy. Christian Hackenberg wasn't the
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right guy, none of these guys, but you had guys that might have
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been somewhat successful if you held on to them for a
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significant portion of time. Do you know Smith being another
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Seattle had a fun time with him. He almost was.
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He was up for an MVP. He was a top six, top seven
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player for an MVP the year that he he played well over there
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with Pete Carroll. That's why Pete decided to bring
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him in over there with Vegas. And now look at Sam.
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Look at the success Sam has had with Minnesota, and now Seattle
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just turned himself $100 million contract.
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Sam is happy. And when he left the New York
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Jets, I could only remember some of the things that he said on
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social media that pretty much settled him very happily to go
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to Carolina because he didn't want to be here anymore.
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He didn't want to deal with the media.
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He didn't want to deal with the fans.
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He didn't want to deal with the abuse that he was getting when
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he wasn't doing the things that they wanted.
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And that's win. And this team knows nothing
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about it. Now, Quinton Williams, and I'm
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going to finish up here very quickly because I'm sure you
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guys got your take. What was The Jets record with
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Quinton Williams in the lineup? And I'm going to tell you what
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the record was. They were 33, if I'm not
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mistaken, and 75, 33 and even at 30 in the thirty wins mark and
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in the 70 loose mark to tell me that this guy was something to
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cry about when The Jets decided to move on from him, I'm not
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crying. He's not a winning player.
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He doesn't win. And Ahmed, AKA Sauce Gardner,
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what did they win with him? He has been here for three
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years, right? Three years speedy.
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This is year 4 for him. So 3 full years with The Jets.
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This was year 4 for him. He got a contract in a
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three-year span, a big one, and what did he do?
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He was a two time all pro player.
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He was a three time pro ball player.
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He shouldn't have made the pro ball last year.
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He didn't play well at the tail end of the season and he had a
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lot to say to the media at the end of the season.
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He is not a good fit here as far as Aaron Glenn is concerned and
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only time will tell you if Aaron Glenn is the right guy here as
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well. I believe he is, but he needs to
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put the right personalities and he needs to put the team in
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position the way he sees fit to win.
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Yeah, and that's the problem. When you look at a team that's
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trying to get these types of personalities together, they
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sign the big names. I think The Jets, the impression
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of it was, OK, we want to avoid the drama that was going through
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throughout the offseason that you see other teams do with
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these holdouts and stuff like that.
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And the Sauce Garner contract and Garrett Wilson contract
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happened literally 5 days apart. And I think because of that,
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they wanted to make that kind of thing work, knowing that all
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right at the start of the year, were we thinking a playoff team?
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And no. But were we thinking a team that
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still could compete? Yes.
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And obviously The Jets got off to this rocky start.
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But like you were saying, all year, they've been in every game
27:18
Besides the Bills blew him out and Dallas being by double
27:20
digits. But even that wasn't that bad
27:22
either. The Jets still played very well,
27:25
but at the same time, you're not going to turn down values that
27:28
are this good in traits. Quinn and Williams.
27:31
We knew Dallas was shopping in for the for the offseason
27:33
because of the whole Micah Parsons rumor that you guys
27:35
talked about months ago that they were going to want to Quinn
27:38
and Williams in a deal potentially from Parsons.
27:39
But The Jets were not one player away.
27:41
They were not one Micah Parsons away from being a championship
27:43
competitive team. So there's no way they were
27:45
going to pull the trigger on that.
27:46
But there's going to be the market out there.
27:48
And I was always saying if you could sell high on Quinn
27:50
Williams, go for it. Like, if the deal is there, make
27:53
it happen. Mozzie Smith, he hasn't been
27:55
great in the NFL so far, but maybe he's he could be a solid
27:58
plug in in a different scheme. We saw that Aaron Glenn replace
28:01
all these reaches that the Lions drafted his defensive tackles in
28:03
previous year to make you working for a minimal defense.
28:06
And same kind of thing with Sauce Garner, Like, yeah, you
28:08
paid him $30 million. I thought he deserved it at that
28:10
time. Has he been amazing this year?
28:12
No. Has he been a top ten corner?
28:13
Probably still, Yeah, I would say so.
28:15
But you're not turning down two first round picks from a team in
28:18
the Colts have been desperate for corners for years.
28:20
The Jets, Any Jets fan that's mad at this cannot be mad at
28:24
when The Jets could get good assets to build a team.
28:27
You don't win Super Bowls on three stars on one unit and be
28:31
able to win with just like average to below average depth
28:34
players. After that, unless you have a
28:35
really, really good generational coach like an Andy Reid or a
28:39
Bill Belichick, maybe you can get away with that.
28:41
No other team can get away. With it, but you don't know if
28:43
you have a generational coach right now because Aaron Glenn's
28:47
in position right now with a roster that wasn't his.
28:50
So you have to take a step back and realize this is a rookie
28:54
coach. He's never done this before.
28:57
He's been a defensive coordinator and a quarterback
28:59
coach his whole career, all the way through with the Lions and
29:04
he was working with the Saints and Sean Payton.
29:07
You got to give this guy a little bit of time.
29:08
It takes three years to build a roster.
29:11
It does. It takes three years.
29:13
And if you don't have the quarterback, you don't have of
29:16
anything. Why did OK, you say 3 years.
29:20
Why does it? Why does it?
29:21
Why? Why three years?
29:23
OK, so the first year is always the off year because you're
29:27
still moving towards figuring out what players fit your
29:31
scheme. OK, so after the first year, you
29:34
know this guy's not going to fit.
29:36
This is got this guy's not going to fit in the locker room.
29:38
So you move them. Now you got to bring guys in.
29:41
It takes a year to get these guys to commit to your defense
29:46
in your offense. And that takes a full year to do
29:50
because the offense in the game is a little bit more faster from
29:53
playing college football. So that takes a little bit more
29:56
time to figure out how they're going to fit in your scheme,
30:00
even though you believe they're a perfect fit.
30:02
And then the third year, you got to make sure that your
30:05
quarterback that you've had or you've built up to be your guy
30:10
is comfortable in that offense with the style that you're going
30:15
to run and the players that you have surrounding him and make
30:19
sure that you have the right protection.
30:21
And, and Fish knows this when it comes to offensive lines.
30:24
If you don't have an offensive line, you don't have nothing.
30:29
That's the way offenses worked in the NFL.
30:32
You can ask anybody. You ask right now the Eagles,
30:36
why are they so successful? They're offensive line.
30:39
You ask the Lions why are they so successful?
30:42
Because of their offensive line. You go down to Kansas City, why
30:45
they won all those Super Bowls with Patrick Mahomes, It was
30:50
because of their offensive line. That is the fact, guys.
30:54
And if you don't have the right guys surrounding your young
30:59
quarterback and the quarterback you believe is your franchise,
31:02
you're not winning nothing. And The Jets offensive line pass
31:05
blocking wise there was advanced that I saw it in the weapons hot
31:08
group. They were actually #1 going into
31:10
Week 8 in terms of some some kind of advanced pass blocking
31:14
metric. So it shows that they have that
31:15
part of it down. Obviously Garrett Wilson's had a
31:17
great year. So you have those part of it's
31:19
going for your offensive side of the ball.
31:21
But again, the defense is something that you still thought
31:23
and I was, I fell for it too. I dropped for them in fantasy in
31:26
our job on the mouth league. That was still going to be a
31:28
strength for them. I didn't.
31:29
Yeah. And with the past rush with the
31:31
secondary that they thought they had, on paper it looked like be
31:33
the case. Obviously that wasn't the case
31:35
because obviously sauce. Was, you know what scared me
31:37
about The Jets defense right after what they gave Sherwood
31:41
that kind of money. They gave Sherwood a $40 million
31:44
contract and I was like, what did Jamie and Sherwood, he's
31:47
been on this show before. We've had him on this show.
31:49
He had nothing to say when we were interviewing.
31:51
I pull so many tricks out of the hat when I have guests that
31:55
don't really speak. And this guy, I could pull 6 or
31:58
7 tricks and maybe do a tumble twist and I still couldn't get
32:02
anything out of this man. So why did I believe he was the
32:06
cornerstone of a defense that really didn't know who they they
32:09
were after? You know, there was a guy that
32:12
was so detrimental important to that defense who's no longer in
32:17
the NFL. And you know what I'm talking
32:18
about speedy CJ Mosley. I was.
32:22
That was the point I brought up at the beginning of the season.
32:25
And Speedy, you remember that we had this conversation that it
32:27
doesn't matter that his skills were declining.
32:31
You need a captain of the defense now.
32:33
Sherwood has been a league average linebacker.
32:36
According to PFF. He's 35th out of 82 qualifying
32:40
linebackers. He's.
32:42
Fine, but the problem is you can have a guy who's fine at
32:47
linebacker if you have a captain of the defense playing next to
32:50
him. And now CJ Mosley's not there.
32:53
This is a guy who was experienced enough to set guys
32:55
up in the right place. And the example I used back when
32:58
we first talked about it was Antonio Pierce as a Giants fan.
33:01
When the Giants won those championships, they traded for
33:04
Antonio Pierce. He became the quarterback of the
33:07
defense, they say, at that Mike linebacker position and having
33:11
that communication. And Errol, I don't think I was
33:13
with you when Sherwood came on, but if it was hard to
33:16
communicate with him on the on the air, I can imagine he's not
33:19
a great communicator on the field either.
33:21
And that's the biggest thing you need to be able to do.
33:24
You need that and you need a guy like that in the secondary to
33:26
make sure the secondary strength is set correctly as well in the
33:29
NFL level and in like D1 college and stuff like that.
33:32
They don't have the middle of the field figured out.
33:36
It doesn't matter how good Sherwood is, he's fine.
33:39
They don't have a leader there. And they're secondary.
33:42
I mean, the safety play now they have a young kid that I really,
33:45
really like. And I'm starting to see that he
33:47
might have potential from Alabama.
33:49
He looks like he's going to be decent.
33:51
But everybody else in that secondary you question, Michael
33:53
Carter didn't fit in his defense.
33:55
This guy was one of the best slot defenders in all of
33:57
football for the last three years under Robert Sala.
34:01
He went from great to horrible. And now he's going to an Eagle
34:05
team that really doesn't need them and they're just they're a
34:07
bag of riches. I mean, think about it,
34:09
Phillips, I, I mean, who's better than the Eagles right now
34:13
sitting And I'm, I'm an Eagles fan, so I'm loving it.
34:15
So I'm not going to complain about it.
34:17
The Jets love to make trades with the Eagles and and the
34:21
Eagles like to make trades with The Jets.
34:22
So I'm not going to cry about it.
34:24
I'm both a Jets and Eagles fan. So but it bothers me when you
34:28
sit back and you realize The Jets have been an organization
34:33
that really depends on certain players in a defense as much as
34:37
they do in an offense. They haven't had a guy that and
34:39
quarterback and they don't they don't really have a leader in
34:42
that defense anymore. And that secondary, let's be
34:45
honest, when you talk about secondary captains and you give
34:49
source Garner the captaincy going into the last two seasons,
34:53
I don't care what he is an all pro pro ball player.
34:56
I could care less when he's not out there talking to the other
34:59
corners and he's pretty much going on the sidelines and
35:02
throwing his helmet and complaining to the coaches that
35:05
he's not seeing or the other guys are not in the right
35:07
positions. And he's not in the right
35:09
positions in the red zone, which The Jets are one of the worst
35:13
at. It tells me that Source Corner
35:16
is not an elite corner as much as we thought he was.
35:19
Yeah. I also think you look at a lot
35:20
of defenses that have won in recent years too, like sometimes
35:23
you can get away with it with good coaching combined with
35:26
maybe one or two star players too.
35:28
And you could see the value was still there for the advanced
35:30
metrics for Quinn and Williams. Quinn and Williams was a guy
35:33
that, you've said it in other years at all, sometimes get
35:35
double teams so he doesn't get the sack totals as much, but
35:37
still was productive in other areas.
35:39
And same kind of thing with Sauce.
35:40
Sauce has a physical role as a corner that it's hard to find
35:44
now. He's had issues with effort
35:46
tackling and stuff like that too.
35:47
But clearly the Colts and a lot of other teams around the league
35:49
did not think that way. And same kind of thing with
35:51
Quinn and Williams. Quinn and Williams, it was only
35:53
going to be sold high because of the quickness and the advanced
35:55
metrics that work. Now he fits in the Colts
35:58
defense. He really does like a glove.
36:00
The Colts needed a number one corner and he fits there.
36:03
Now we'll see how he plays under a different regime.
36:07
He plays with a better defense and with an elite team.
36:10
We'll see if source Garner goes out there and gives it his all
36:14
because he hasn't given his all for the last two seasons.
36:17
He really hasn't. And and any Jet fan that has
36:20
seen this guy play in the first two years and try to correct
36:23
themselves on what source Garner has been that the final two
36:26
years with his Jets career. You can wonder if he really
36:30
wanted to go out there and play or just wanted to be on
36:34
commercials or go sign autographs.
36:37
Or be there with a superstar rapper and show up to all her
36:41
concerts in the offseason and not show up to certain practices
36:45
and certain OTAs he should have showed up to.
36:48
I'm just, I'm speaking the truth here and I don't know Sauce
36:51
Garner in a hole in a wall. And yes, Nathan, I know you know
36:54
him. I know you posted up the
36:56
pictures. I know you know his brother.
36:58
And I would love to get his brother on the show cuz I would
37:00
love to hear his take on the Sauce Garner situation.
37:03
Sauce Garner. Here's another problem that I
37:06
don't like about Sauce Sauce. After he got traded, what did he
37:10
say? Speedy, do you remember what he
37:11
said? I do not.
37:13
Well, he said something in 4 words.
37:16
So long. So long, New York.
37:19
Whatever. It's up on the screen for you.
37:20
Arrow on the top of the screen. I got the tweet right there.
37:23
New York. I can't see been real.
37:25
It's been real. A green hearts.
37:27
All right, so if you're number one pick and you're a star with
37:31
the team and you're an organization and you just got
37:33
traded and, and fans are upset and you know, fans are upset
37:37
because they love you and you're 1 of you have one of the hottest
37:40
jersey sales for the New York Jets.
37:42
As a matter of fact, I think he was #1 this year.
37:47
So how do you say 4 words and a heart and that's all you say to
37:53
the fans? Why don't you do what Daniel
37:56
Jones was being ridiculed by the Giant fans.
37:59
And then when he got let go and, and pretty much thrown to the
38:03
walls and he goes to Minnesota and now he's with, he's with
38:06
the, he's with the, the great and powerful Indianapolis Colts.
38:11
Because I say great and powerful because Danny Dimes is winning,
38:14
baby. He wrote a whole story to the
38:19
Giant fans, telling the fans goodbye and thank you for
38:23
showing up to games and supporting him for all the
38:27
things that he tried to do for the fan base.
38:30
That's what you want to hear from your superstar player.
38:33
And what did you hear from Source Garner?
38:36
Nothing. Immaturity.
38:38
And it shows you how much love he had over here for the Jet
38:43
fans and Jet fans, you shouldn't have sorrow.
38:45
You shouldn't be upset. You should smile and wave
38:49
goodbye because that's what I'm doing to Source Garner.
38:52
Enjoy. I hope you win a Super Bowl.
38:54
I hope you go to the Super Bowl with the Colts because we're
38:56
going to be there at the Super Bowl.
38:58
And I'd love to interview you and ask you your true opinion on
39:02
why you didn't post up a nice letter to the Jet fans.
39:07
Because to me. OK, so, so let me ask you this
39:09
there as an athlete, why do you think we owe that to you?
39:13
I'm not, I'm not saying you owe anything to me.
39:15
I'm a. I'm a no.
39:17
What I'm saying as the fan, as a fan base, I'm asking you say
39:20
why, why did he only write that comparable to some other people
39:24
that there's been a lot of dudes that have wrote short little
39:27
excerpts that have kind of been the same thing, but but hit on
39:29
the same way. Do you like, I'm just wondering
39:33
from your perspective, I'm going to give it to you.
39:36
Do you feel like we owe that as the athlete because you took us
39:40
in in the draft that we give you some sort of kumbaya as as we
39:46
leave and and whatever. And obviously there's more to it
39:49
than that. I in in accepting and being a
39:52
part of the culture in the community.
39:53
Like I understand that. But as far as that being said,
39:56
like from his perspective like that, like, do you feel like he
40:00
has to do more? Like that's an obligation that
40:02
he owes you guys? Here's my opinion and we have to
40:07
move on. But here's my opinion job as a
40:10
fan. And I'm I'm a media guy, so I
40:12
can't tell you, even though I root for The Jets, I could care
40:15
less what Sauce Garner says or does.
40:17
I really don't care. But there are young kids out
40:20
there that look up to them. They look up to them and they he
40:24
goes to these autograph signings and and says that I'm going to
40:27
be a Jet for life. I want to be a Jet for life and
40:30
you get traded and instead of showing sorrow and up being
40:34
upset, you just pretty much wave the flag and say you know a
40:39
couple of words. And as a young kid and a person
40:43
that rooted for a team your whole life and seen so many bad
40:48
football and you were the finally a guy that was going to
40:52
resurrect that position because Darrelle Reeves is retired.
40:55
And you have Aaron Glenn, who was the last great corner on the
40:59
organ, you know, with this organization that was drafted by
41:02
the organization. And that's all you put out
41:04
there. I, I do, I believe that it as a,
41:08
as a professional and as a guy that fans are look up to young
41:12
kids, look up to, you have to go out there and give them some
41:17
kind of respect and, and show them that you loved playing
41:21
here, that you adored the young fans and that you're sorry that
41:26
it didn't work out with the New York Jets.
41:28
And, and that's my opinion too. Towards Sauce Garner, Quinton
41:32
Williams posted up something nice to the Jet fans.
41:35
Yeah, no, I I just wanted your like your take on it as like
41:38
obviously both sides as a fan, like kind of weird because I I
41:41
don't know if you guys saw the video of the little kid of the
41:43
dad, his dad telling him that sauce got traded and like he
41:46
started crying and stuff like that.
41:48
So I understand, like I understand that that part
41:51
obviously, I don't know the insurance and outs of what he's,
41:53
you know, in the signings, what he's saying, because that's
41:56
obviously if you go out and say this to to that type of kid,
41:59
it's it's things that they're never going to forget and then
42:02
they're going to, you know, they're going to hold that
42:04
against them. I mean, there's so many stories
42:06
that I think we've all heard where it's like, oh, he got
42:08
traded and then beat us and I now I hate that team or
42:11
whatever. I mean, there's, there's so many
42:13
stories like that, but I always find it interesting that like
42:16
how you guys perceive of somebody leaving that was
42:18
drafted from the organization and and doesn't of whatever you
42:23
felt like it is. Because I mean, there's really
42:26
no job description, like I've said before, but there is part
42:29
of a responsibility as somebody that has has paid their time
42:34
there, but also the people that have paid their time to watch
42:37
you. And then the respect factor was,
42:38
so I understand. Thank you to all the fans
42:41
following us on Spotify and Apple and obviously YouTube.
42:46
Yeah, we're growing on all the social medias.
42:48
We're on Reddit too job in the mouth and we have all our
42:52
stories on Reddit right now and it's actually growing.
42:54
It's it's really, really good. Go check out my stories, my Joel
42:57
and beat stories sensational. I'm not lying to you.
42:59
It's funny. It's definitely my humor.
43:02
If you like the humor on this show, you definitely have to
43:04
read the stories. They're they're they are funny.
43:07
I put a lot of time into it. So you definitely get the the
43:11
personality part to it. And Schaefer, if you're an
43:15
Islander fan and you wanna hear my beanbag thoughts to John
43:19
Tavares, you definitely gotta read that story as well.
43:22
Speedy was laughing to it the whole time.
43:24
Speedy, You like that one, right, Speedy?
43:27
Yeah. Yeah.
43:28
Well, speak up, man. What's wrong with you?
43:29
You have a thumb up your wrist. I'm trying to not to spoil it
43:31
for them well. They gotta read it.
43:33
They. Have to read it they.
43:34
Gotta read it. And anyways, Oh yeah, it's been
43:38
a great one. Speedy, who do we have on
43:39
Monday? Alright, returning to the show
43:40
is the daughter of Jack Burke. We just had on last week in
43:44
Allie Burke. She is a singer.
43:45
She's a pop singer. And can we get her to sing on
43:48
the show? You can.
43:49
You can try. I mean, definitely could I?
43:50
Could I be a backup singer? So Jabba, the last time we had
43:53
her on was before you were with us.
43:55
She actually sang the national anthem at many different MLB
43:59
ballparks. And coming up November 6th,
44:01
Buffalo Bills, she'll be singing at the Buffalo Bills game.
44:04
Yeah, and, and Ally's first of all, she's a big Josh Allen fan.
44:09
So this is something that she's probably going to be like, oh,
44:14
you know, like I would do. Yeah.
44:15
I mean, if I was a Josh Allen fan.
44:16
I am a Josh Allen fan, by the way, but I I did get a jersey.
44:20
I can't lie to you guys. But tonight I'm a Danny Dimes
44:23
fan as Danny D is rocking all night long, Speedy singing all
44:29
night long. Come on, sing it.
44:31
Come on, come on, come on. That's the best.
44:40
I mean, who could who could? There you go.
44:42
A little rat rat attack right there, baby.
44:45
Delicious, edible, and I don't know why he has his tongue out.
44:50
I don't know why. And my face is like deformed
44:52
like what the hell is that? Am I growing like an extra?
44:56
That's good. That's a good one.
44:59
That's pretty close. Yeah, it's really close.
45:02
My face is not deformed. Come on.
45:05
It's a cartoon version of you. Yeah, I guess I I'm not a big
45:10
fan of it, so. But you can, you can tell those
45:13
things. Fantastic.
45:14
Well, thank you, Jabba. Because it's not some bald head,
45:19
6 foot three, you know, beluga whale.
45:22
You know, I'm just kidding. Anyways.
45:28
Give me that chicken Curry. I could use some chicken Curry
45:31
right now or something because I'm a pretty hungry and maybe
45:34
Applebee's some half price you. Never eat chicken Curry.
45:37
No, I wouldn't. Never.
45:38
No, never. Do you want to jerk me off?
45:41
Well, definitely not nothing, and that's probably what are.
45:44
You did you? Is Applebee's open by you?
45:46
Yeah, it is 100%. It's open.
45:50
What time is it Speedy 11:30 Yeah, we're, we're good.
45:53
We, we can make it. But yeah, thank you to the fans.
45:56
Anything on Wednesday? Yes, we do have 8:45.
45:59
I don't know if you faced him, Jabba, he was a little came in
46:02
the league a little after you joined Logan, Logan Morrison,
46:04
yes, he played with the Marlins, the this Mariners.
46:07
I think he might have faced him maybe in the American League
46:09
later on with the Rays as well. So maybe you faced him a little
46:12
bit, but. Mostly, he's a He's an
46:13
interesting bird. Aren't we all?
46:16
Aren't we all? Including he's, he's, he's
46:19
there, there. No.
46:21
So let's bird away, speedy. Give me a 11 sound before we go.
46:24
Give me like a bird sound. Give me a nice bird sound.
46:29
Oh, that's a good. One solid right there.
46:35
Wow. That was, that was good speedy.
46:37
That was I I'm losing myself, you know, I might have lost
46:40
some. Something probably popped out a
46:43
little bit, you know, a little turtle head.
46:44
Anyways, that's it for a show. We'll talk to you next week.
46:47
Good night, everybody. Yo-yo yo listening to the
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Worldwide Sports Radio Network.