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WITCHES, BITCHES AND OUIJA - Episode 156 - The Padded Cell Podcast · The Padded Cell Podcast

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, ready, Freddy?
• 0:01
  SPEAKER_01: I'm ready, let's go.
• 0:02
  SPEAKER_04: Tits.
• 0:03
  SPEAKER_04: Lovely.
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_04: Hello, and welcome to episode 156 of the Pattercell Podcast.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_04: And today I'm here once again with our sissy Wednesday.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_01: I have to do that now for you.
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  SPEAKER_04: You do, and uh with your headdress today, um that hello.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_04: It does look extra marvellous.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you, I appreciate it.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_04: So this is the headdress um from your party.
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  SPEAKER_04: It is my funeral headdress.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_04: And um Jim has one of his.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_01: He did.
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  SPEAKER_01: He did have this very one on.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_01: That very one?
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's this very one.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's one on you.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_04: I'm sure you're not surprised to hear that.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_01: I've got a massive head, so it makes my head look a bit smaller if I have something bigger.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_01: You haven't got a massive head.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_01: I've got a big noggin.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, I think you've said this before with hats and things.
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  SPEAKER_04: You've only got a big head then.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_04: I'll blame the hair.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_04: That looks very, very, very nice.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_04: So if you haven't guessed already, it's our Halloween episode.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_04: This is going on the 29th of October.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_04: We're not recording the 31st.
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  SPEAKER_04: We've got more better witchy Halloween things to do than that.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_04: Of course we have.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_04: We absolutely have.
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  SPEAKER_04: So we've got some Halloween goodness coming for you.
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  SPEAKER_04: Uh brothers, Sissy's uh gotten it up.
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  SPEAKER_01: As always, this I just dressed this way.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: Can we just talk about your boots in a moment?
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have Twilight boots on because it's Howa Howa Hoa season for any Twilight fans.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, know exactly what's going on with Howa Howahoe season.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh and I found these for eight quid on vintage.
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  SPEAKER_01: Such a bargain.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_01: Unbelievable.
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  SPEAKER_01: I couldn't leave them.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_01: I couldn't leave them.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's actually better hold-on tight spider monkey, and it's got Edward and Bella.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely brilliant.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_04: What more could you want?
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  SPEAKER_04: For those who aren't watching, and they're also like uh would you say they're like a petrol blue?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, beautiful, fabulous, little bit of a platform to them, not too big, but super comfy, really gorgeous.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: Very good.
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  SPEAKER_01: New in box as well with the labels and everything.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_01: Eight quid then?
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_01: Eight quid.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you know, Twilight Boot, you think they mark them up a bit?
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_01: I love Twilight because it's so bad it's good.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like I've read them all, they are hilarious.
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  SPEAKER_04: I stopped watching Twilight.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_04: I loved it for four or five seasons.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_04: Loved it.
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  SPEAKER_04: I was like really into all the characters and everything.
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  SPEAKER_04: Brilliant.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_04: Until I realised that no fucker dies.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_04: People die in Twilight.
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  SPEAKER_04: No, the main characters.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah, no, Edward and Bella don't die.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_04: Or if they do, they come back in some way or whatever.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_04: And even Jimmy was like, just want someone to die.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_04: It's just getting a bit silly now.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_04: I just love the colour.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, it's just mad.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, they're all very nice to look at.
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  SPEAKER_04: Also, I sort of got a little bit too old.
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  SPEAKER_04: I was like, I feel like I'm watching my grandkids on telly.
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  SPEAKER_04: Edward's 107 years old.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, okay.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_04: Watching my granddad on telly.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's hilarious.
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  SPEAKER_01: But Twilight's so fun.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: So you're gothing it up with your gothic head dress and your two Twilight boots.
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  SPEAKER_04: And I've got like an extra long black dress.
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  SPEAKER_04: Gorgeous.
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  SPEAKER_04: Um with like uh it's like a corsus waistcoat, so it's like tied at the back with like a high collar, red embroideries looking a bit vampirish.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's looking very vampirish.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_01: We've both gone for the vampire thing.
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  SPEAKER_04: I did have a hat.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know what it is.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm gonna have a word with our Kev just in case he's snapping on me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: He's still wearing his cruise at the moment, so I can't sell him off.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_01: He looks like he's having a fabulous time.
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  SPEAKER_04: I think he has having a fabulous time.
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  SPEAKER_04: He's making the most of the booze and the heads.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_04: He sent me a photo of the Versace plates.
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  SPEAKER_04: Very bougie.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my god.
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  SPEAKER_01: Very bougie.
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  SPEAKER_04: It looks absolutely stunning.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_04: And he's having a whale of a time.
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  SPEAKER_04: You know, goes on.
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  SPEAKER_04: He works so hard, R.
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  SPEAKER_04: Kev.
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  SPEAKER_04: He does.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_04: I know we all do, but you know, if the people you're working for are gonna reward your hard work with a cruise happy day.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_01: You can't complain, can you?
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, I'll work all the hours in the world.
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  SPEAKER_04: I reward myself with a couple of hours off.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_01: I reward it with some crochet time on my dinner break, is what I reward you with.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_04: You would not have seen episode 155 yet.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_04: Uh and I put a request in it for you.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm not going to tell you now.
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  SPEAKER_04: No time limit on it.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_04: But I've put a crochet request in it.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I'm excited.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_04: So you're not going to guess what it is.
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  SPEAKER_01: It won't be a crochet Mothman.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_01: You've got them.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_01: I've got Mothman nails because we used to have Mothman back in.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_01: Oh isn't it cute?
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_01: The guy who does my nails, I sat down and he went, What this time?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because he always expects something ridiculous.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I asked for Mothman.
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  SPEAKER_01: Mothman, you can't.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can't see it, but the burgundy, and I've got a little Mothman on my ring finger.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's very cute.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I don't have the Mothman and everything on the back anymore.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_01: Just to change it up.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_01: Just to change it up a bit.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_01: Because the true horror is the traffic warden.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, exactly that.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I like my little naughty corner sign.
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  SPEAKER_04: I love it.
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  SPEAKER_04: I just want to change it up a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_04: And Mothman and Kell come back eventually.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, of course it will be.
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  SPEAKER_04: Buffing out your your uh paying for the ball.
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  SPEAKER_04: Mothman will do.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_04: Definitely.
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  SPEAKER_04: So we're gonna crack on because we've got quite a lot to get through today.
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  SPEAKER_04: I've got some um stories are more like uh folklore type stories.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_01: I also have brought folklore, so I'm very intrigued.
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  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so you have to do that if your stories like twist into mine.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_04: I don't think so.
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  SPEAKER_04: Mine aren't necessarily about like um people or events or anything like that.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_04: Um, it's more like folklore around objects and things.
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  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
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  unknown: Okay.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_01: Mine's folklore of a specific type of myth, I suppose.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_01: We'll see.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_01: So we we might brought the same topic, we'll just chip into each other's little bit.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_04: Just to prove that we don't converse once we don't remember.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_01: You never know what I'm bringing to the table.
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  SPEAKER_01: You don't know what what you're getting.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a surprise for all of us.
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  SPEAKER_04: You don't know what you're getting, I don't know what you're bringing.
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  SPEAKER_04: It's brilliant.
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  SPEAKER_04: I love this.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_04: We'll see.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_04: That's how it works.
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  SPEAKER_04: So we're gonna forge on with my little bits and then um we'll do a little dangly bur.
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  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_04: And then we're gonna move over to you.
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  SPEAKER_04: Fabulous.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_04: And if any of these clash into yours, we'll soon find out.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_04: Little slave of my tea on my mugs that I haven't washed since the last recording.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_01: Brilliant.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_01: Love that extra flavour.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_01: Tannins, all that?
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_01: Often.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_04: Very nice.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_04: I mean the last recording was only a few days ago, but it hasn't been washed since the one before that, I don't think.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_04: I'm such a ming.
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  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_04: Have you heard of the hand of glory?
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know if I have actually.
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  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm gonna tell you something, Rice.
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  SPEAKER_04: I'd had a little um a little medicinal spliff when I was researching this.
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  SPEAKER_04: And uh I was researching all sorts of different folklory things.
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  SPEAKER_04: I went, oh, hand of glory.
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  SPEAKER_04: Interesting.
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  SPEAKER_04: In my stoned mind.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_04: In my queer stoned mind.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_04: A person's a lazy agar.
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  SPEAKER_04: The edge of glory! It's got no burden whatsoever.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_04: Of course.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_04: But of glory.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_04: You automatically go there.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_04: But that was like an earworm, I couldn't get rid of the fucking symbol.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_04: No, it's there for days.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, anyway, hands of glory.
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  SPEAKER_04: I'd sort of heard of this a little bit, but I didn't really know about the folklore and actually how common it was.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_04: The hand of glory.
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  SPEAKER_04: There's actually one still in circulation in Whitby in Whitby Museum.
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  SPEAKER_04: So we know it's been a thing.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_04: So it's not like a myth.
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  SPEAKER_04: Um, it's a thing.
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  SPEAKER_04: But obviously, uh, there's like there's magical properties around this thing.
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  SPEAKER_04: So we need to keep an open mind when we're talking about this and all the other things I'm talking about actually today.
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  SPEAKER_04: But there's actually a real thing linked to it.
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  SPEAKER_04: A real hand, real severed hand in the Whitby Museum.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
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  SPEAKER_04: Not a replica either.
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  SPEAKER_04: And this was discovered during the early 20th century inside a wall in this old thatched cottage in a place called Castleton in North Yorkshire.
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  SPEAKER_04: Anyway, there was uh a local historian and a stonemason um working in the area at the time who recognised it from uh some folklore that they they both knew about.
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  SPEAKER_04: Obviously, got conversing and they both agreed that this was evidence of this myth.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_04: So what is this?
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_04: These hands are um often found in walls or buried underneath houses or under floorboards.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_04: It is a real hand, it's uh often looks like dried out like a mummified hand.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_04: And sometimes they can look like they've got burned fingers or they can be held in a candle.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_01: Does this ring a bell?
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's starting to ring bells, yes.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, like I say, it's British folklore.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_04: However, there has been instances of these popping up around Europe as well.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_04: So we're a little small world, aren't we?
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_04: Really?
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_04: With occult and stuff like that, really.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_04: We absolutely are.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but it's more common in the UK.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and it's not necessarily a Halloween-y thing or anything like that.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_04: Um, it's a it's a witchy thing that can be done at any time.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_04: So there's different recipes, they call it, of how this magic should work.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_04: But most commonly, like I said before, human dried hand, sometimes with a candle, but in some traditions, um the candle is not needed.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_04: Somebody will actually try and illuminate burn the fingers.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_04: Normally comes from an executed criminal.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_04: So they're dead anyway, they don't need their hand.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_04: And they've been a bit of a bad lad.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_04: So fuck them.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_01: So it's allowed, it's fine.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_01: Let them off.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_04: So it's already had sort of um macabre connotations, if you like, attached to the hand, and this apparently uh increased its magical power.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, apparently.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_04: Apparently.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_04: Um, why is it used?
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_04: So it's to keep away real people with negative energy and evil spirits as well.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_04: You could just like burn some white sage, couldn't you?
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_04: You haven't got to go to the extreme of chopping a hand off and burn the fingers.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_04: But some people, you know, like to go that one step further.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_04: Of course.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_04: You'd do this.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_01: I I totally would, yeah.
• 9:32
  unknown: Yeah.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_04: And you wouldn't put a candle in the hand, you'd burn the fingers.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the smell might be a bit funny.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_04: It'd be a bit funny, anyway, because the wax melts onto the hand and it'll Yeah.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_04: Well, don't mind the smell of waxes, but just get a really, really, really long candle.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_04: Do you know what I'd think it'd smell like?
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_04: Have you smelled uh pig's ears that the that dog's eat?
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_04: They absolutely fucking hum.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_04: They absolutely imagine the hand.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_04: It's a bit like that.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_01: So could I look like that?
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but some people have used them for uh malicious purposes as well.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_04: They reckon that you know if they burn the hand, everyone will fall asleep and then they can burgle them even.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_04: You know, it can go both ways.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_01: Loopholes.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, there's always a fucking loophole, isn't there?
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_04: Isn't there just?
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_04: Um so I like that little thing because I just like the macabre.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_04: You're chopping the hand off of a criminal and burn the fingers to try and magic.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_04: Interesting.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_04: Mummified hand.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_04: So, yes, we've got one of these in the Whippy Museum.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_04: You can go and see it if you want.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_04: Interestingly, though, it hasn't got burned fingers.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_04: And I was like, is it really real?
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_04: Is it really real?
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, what it's like.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_01: It could have been held in a candle, couldn't it?
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_01: It could have.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_04: But you know, there's no evidence on there of like, you know, wax dripping or anything like that.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_04: But keep an open mind, folks.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_04: Keep an open mind.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_04: So you've probably heard of this one.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_04: Go on.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_04: Corpse medicine.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah, obviously.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_04: So for those that haven't heard of this out there, um it dates back quite a long time, but it was really, really common in the Victorian era.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_01: They loved a corpse, they loved a body, they loved mummies.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_04: And nothing was sort of wasted either.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_04: They use a human blood, fat, flesh, bones, skull, skin.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, and like you've said, you know, mummies, actual mummies, were brought over by wealthy people and they grind down the bones.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_04: They would.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, and grind down the skull as well, in some cases.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_04: Um would you would you take we were talking off air before about illnesses and what you do to make yourself feel better?
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_04: Would you do something like this?
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_04: A mummy.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_01: Because I think obviously we're looking at it from a modern-day perspective.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like the reason we don't have as many mummies as we should is because the Victorians kept scrolling them at parties.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly, grinding them down.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_01: We were eating them at parties, they're unveiling them and like, oh, let's take a bite.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: But then, to be fair, people do weird stuff like that all the time.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: There was when they found a mammoth, someone tried to eat a bit of it, didn't they?
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_01: See what a mammoth tasted.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: Blows me ahead.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, so I don't know.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_04: Team Curiosity just blows me out.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_01: We have to be weird all the time.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_04: Do you know what?
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_04: Segway.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_04: Um, well, it's not a segue, it's just a tangent.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_04: I'll come back in a minute.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_04: You know, when you watch especially American movies, but any sort of horror movie, someone's in bed and they hear a noise downstairs, they're not sure what it is.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_04: And the woman, maybe partially dressed, will creep down the stairs.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_04: Not wake anybody else or you know, phone 911, because normally America, they'll go, Hello?
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_04: Is there anybody there?
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_04: And you're like, fucking hell, there's awfully something down there.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_04: They've woken you up out of your sleep.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_04: Rather than phone 911, you go and investigate.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_04: And you wonder why you're getting your head club.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_04: Use your noggin.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_04: Just lock the door and phone the police noggin.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: Don't be so ridiculous.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_01: So every time I see that now, like, oh, you deserve to get your dad clubbed in now.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_01: Literally, you've done this to yourself, essentially.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: You've gone down there.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, absolutely.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's your own going.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_01: Careful people.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway, back from a tangent.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_04: So, yes, the ground down mummies, but also uh fresh corpses.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_04: You loved a bit of grave robin back then.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_04: Could be dried and prepared to resemble a mummy.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so I mean, we're talking like a pharmaceutical chain, really, aren't we?
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_04: Of um of bodies because they run out of mummies or couldn't obtain them.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_04: So it's just like, well, let's make some.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_04: Let's just make some.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_04: We'll dry some some uh more um newer ones out, not ancient ones.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_01: Dehumidify them.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_04: What go on.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_04: Human blood was recommended for conditions, including epilepsy.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_04: Um now I don't know how much I was trying to find out exactly how much they'd consume because we know that drinking blood's actually as bad for you.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_04: Um, it's not necessarily poisonous in its pure form, but when you drink it yourself and you're giving yourself too much iron and all that, and it's blood that's left the body.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_04: Now it changes immediately.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_04: It starts coagulating and stuff like that.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_04: So I don't know exactly how much blood, but they liked to drink blood as well.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_04: And if it was if it was fresh, blood shots, blood shots, yeah.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_04: So the neuro the skull, uh the they reckoned that powdered down, um, it could be used to treat various neurological complaints.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_04: Um, anything like headache up to brain tumour.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_04: Ambitious meetings.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, just a bit.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_04: But you know, back in the day, you know, they didn't have the medication that we've got now.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_04: We're in the ages where it wasn't that long ago people were using herbs and stuff like that.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_04: Uh alternative medicines.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_04: We still weren't that advanced in modern medicine.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_04: So, you know, and they were kooky the Victorians, kooky as well.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: Right, yeah, they were.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_04: So am I surprised?
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_04: And they loved the macabre.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_04: Am I surprised they believed this stuff?
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: No, absolutely not.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_04: It was almost like an age of discovery, wasn't it?
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_04: Really?
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_04: You know, industrialisation, all that kind of thing, but also the age of spiritualism.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely, and um, so they experimented all these uh kind of things, didn't they?
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_04: It was absolutely great.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: You did.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: They also turned mummies into paints.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_01: Mummy brown was a colour up until was it the 40s or something ridiculous.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: You could still get mummy brown.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_04: Brilliant.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_04: I bet yeah, there's uh some kooky makeup palettes out there that have got a mummy brown eyeshadow.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_01: Oh if they haven't, why not?
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_04: Mummy brown, do it witch bottles! Which is the head of witch bottles.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: I think if I'm thinking of the same thing as you, then yeah.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_04: So again, these have been found under floorboards.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_04: Like spell bottles.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_04: Um, under floorboards and houses, and uh they go back to 17th century these.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_04: So, you know, we're talking about when we were saying before about alternative medicines and all that kind of thing.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but you know, you don't drink the contents of this bottle.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_04: Um, archaeologists have called them witch bottles, but they can be known as spell bottles as well or curse bottles.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_04: They can.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_04: They're used for lots and lots of different things.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but the name is quite misleading because they didn't belong to witches or anything like that, but obviously a conjuring and stuff is associated with witches.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but they appear to have been used as protection against witchcraft, yes, um, or as like magical cures, basically.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_04: But magical cures for somebody who somebody believes of being bewitched.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_04: So not a cure for an ailment, a cure for somebody who's been bewitched.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: Did you have you seen the program Bewitched?
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_01: That was that when I was a kid, it would have been.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_04: You would have only seen it on repeats.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_04: It was in the 50s, 60s, I think, something like that.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: I think I've seen repeats of it, yeah.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_04: Elizabeth Montgomery was the witch, and she used to do with a nose to cast a spell without the crossed eyes.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_04: Hang on.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_04: There you go.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_04: Actually, I think she did cross dies, maybe.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_04: And she'd cast a spell.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_04: But I loved it because if she was like late to go somewhere, she'd go, and she'd be washed, dressed, and in work already, all that's great.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_04: Well as a kid, I was like, I want to be a witch.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_04: Just so I haven't got to get washed and dressed and be up an hour before school.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_04: Oh dear me.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_04: So, anyway, so these archaeological archaeologists uh they find them all over the place.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_04: Um, again, mainly all over Europe.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_04: But what's in the bottles, anything and everything.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_04: They found pins, nails, thorns, hair, nail clippings, and human urine, hence why you shouldn't drink anything out.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_04: Why would you anyway?
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_04: A bottle under the ground with pins and I'm not just drinking from that, I'm afraid.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_01: Some people would, maybe.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: But sensible people are absolutely mad.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_04: So there's also it's a being used as a form of countermagic as well.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_04: So if somebody's believed uh to be a witch, uh believes a witch has afflicted them, the victim's urine might be placed inside the bottle.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_04: So not just any random urine, it's got to be their urine.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_04: Um I couldn't find any evidence that any of this has worked.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_04: But sometimes self-fulfilling prophecy and all that, you know, putting it out to the universe, the universe might not be talking back to you.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_04: I think it is.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but sometimes, you know, just putting it out there, your energy out there, yeah, it can come back, can't it?
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_04: You know.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_04: So, yes, no um, no evidence this has worked.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_04: I was even looking at this thing of people that used to um use it to cure things like cystitis, no evidence whatsoever.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_04: But they kept doing it, kept doing it anyway.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: There's still people who make spell bottles and stuff now, isn't there?
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like there's witches on TikTok who put hand sanitizer and a thing for like cleansing spirits.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, sounds like more of a practical cleaner.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_04: Nancy, who used to do the podcasted uh spell bottles?
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, she used to do all it's quite common.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, um, so there's loads and loads and loads of things I can talk about spell bottles, but we've got loads to do.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_04: That's enough information on that one.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_04: If you've got an owner, you know they exist, look it up.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_04: They're everywhere in fireplaces and everything.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_04: And actually, they reckon that in the UK there's probably still like hundreds of thousands unfounded so you never know if you knock on a walls down your house, you might find a spell ball.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_04: Happy days?
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_04: Don't drink out of it.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_04: No, not recommended.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_04: Um, have you heard of corpse candles?
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_04: I think I might have done.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_04: It's a Welsh thing.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_04: Our Welshies might know this.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so there's these lights seen in rural wilds.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_04: It's like almost something like carrying out a lantern or like a little light in the distance in like a house, but it moves.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_04: And they say it looks like a small flame travelling by itself.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_04: Um and according to Welsh folklore, you might want to remember where it goes because apparently it reck they reckon that a coffin will soon follow the same roof.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_04: So if you see this candle flicker, somebody that you now are acquainted with will die and will follow the same roots.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: Ah, okay.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: Bit like an evil version of a Willow the Wisp.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I love Willow of the Wisp.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_04: I love the story of Willow the Wisp.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_04: Meet him.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_04: There's a great program.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_04: Have you?
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah, you've seen this before.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_04: I've seen it.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_04: Um there's I saw before.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_04: Um great programme in the 70s and 80s called Willow the Wisp with Kenneth Williams doing the voice.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely brilliant.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, I've put you on another tangent.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, Vicky.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_04: It's gonna be tangent city today, I think, it's the way I'm rolling.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_04: Sorry, Welshies.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna destroy this.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_04: Can you's cover.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_04: I think I've got it right because I asked the thing to spell it out for me and happy days.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_04: And literal, that is corpse candle.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_04: In Welsh.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_04: They're sometimes called corpse lights as well, and because it's an omen of death.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and there's different stories, um, and they change by like region and period.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_04: This the story changes over time and stuff like that.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_04: But the idea is generally the same.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_04: If this like mysterious light appears before somebody dies, uh, it may travel um from the future deceased person's home towards the church or burial place.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_04: So if it's like if your parents are going to be dying anyway, but if you see this, it's imminent.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's gonna happen soon.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_04: And sometimes the size of the light is supposedly like it reveals who's died.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_04: So it's like a small light as a child, and it's a large flickering light.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_04: It could be an adult museum whales, which I got quite a lot of information from, by the way.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_04: So if you want to know more, look at that, it's quite an interesting site.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_04: Um it's uh got recordings of people describing this corpse candle corpse candle tradition.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_04: Um, going back like centuries, and it's passed down still.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_04: And there's actually one account.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_04: Uh I was a living witness account in 1979.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_04: Um, there's a folklorist called Mary Thomas.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_04: Um, she was born in 1905, and she is discussing her grandfather's experience the area, is Betty Istwith.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_04: Don't know.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so she was alive and he was telling her the story, and she wasn't dead young either, like you know, young enough, but so she can remember it clearly.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_04: It wasn't just like you know, a a a silly memory.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_04: And um, she said that uh he saw this corpse candle repeatedly.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_04: It wasn't just one instant.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_04: And he lived to a grand old age and he saw quite a lot of these candles over the years, one after another, and it was always around the time, and somebody died.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_04: My word.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_04: Mad, isn't it?
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_04: So interesting.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_04: He said actually, as well, one nice, he saw this candle, and um his daughter was with him.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_04: And he I don't know exactly what he said along the lines of somebody's on the way again.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_04: Can you not see that?
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_04: And she's like, No, I can't see her.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_04: And he went out.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_04: How interesting?
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_04: And he was literally like, look, they're pointing, and it was moving.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_04: She's like, I don't know what you're looking at.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, what?
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_04: So maybe any certain people can see it, maybe spiritual people or something like that.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_04: So I quite like that one.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_04: Again, Museum Wales, if you are no more.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_04: And just a little one just to finish off.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_04: Because this is sort of uh close to my house.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I've lived in Wallace before.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_04: And I lived at a cemetery house.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_04: I think I've talked about it before.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_04: It was in the cemetery in Rake Lane.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_04: This is my dream.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_04: Rake Lane Cemetery.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_04: And I loved it.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_04: And um the house was on the corner of Rake Lane and Mortuary Road.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_04: And unfortunately, our address was Rake Lane.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_04: And I wanted it to be Mortuary Road because the house was actually more in Mortuary Road, really.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_04: But actually, it was Rake Lane Cemetery, Rake Lane.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so I'm gonna fly, fuck off.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_04: Fly, buzzing around the glasses.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I loved it, and uh sort of looked into some other little um road names around death and stuff like that, and there's quite a lot around Britain.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and I was like, why?
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_04: Why have they been given these names?
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_04: Let's look at a few of them first.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_04: There's a corpse road, a coffin road, um, likeway, which I'll explain, and coffin lane.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_04: And they absolutely did exist.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and they were named after like corpses, coffins, death, and that, because they were roads back in the day for transporting dead people.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_04: So they didn't just use any L road, you know, they used certain roads, so it might be like a short distance from Blah A to B, or less cobbled, or less treacherous, or whatever, or maybe as like a mark of respect.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_04: So they have to use the same path, and people could gather at the side of the road and stuff like that.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, and they've kept their names uh as a mark of respect, actually, to all the people that have passed through those roads over the hundreds of years they've been named.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_04: Some of them go back like a really, really, really long time.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_04: Um, do you know what?
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_04: I could actually go on and on and on, but I'm not.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but some of these names come up in um some books and writing, and one of them I found in Midsummer Night's Dream.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_04: Puck, have you read have you read Midsummer Night's Dream?
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_04: Puck is my favourite character.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and he talked about spirits leaving graves and travelling along the church way paths, these dead roads.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_04: So it comes up, and that goes back a long way, you know.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_04: It can go right beyond that.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_04: Um so uh, and also I said before, like is an old word for corpse, and there's loads of like L-Y-K-E, there's loads of like roads around the country.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_04: And if you didn't know, it means corpse.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_04: And if you go into a cemetery, a small like churchyard cemetery, there's often like a little um like what do you call it, like a little pagoda type thing.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_04: Like a gate.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_04: I know what you mean.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_04: A gate, an up and over gate thing.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and actually they're called uh the like gate, and it's a corpse gate, basically, it's it's the way into the cemetery.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_04: So interesting.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_04: And I've seen that load, and I'm like, I wonder what that means.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_04: Because I saw it once, so I was like, oh, maybe it's the name of the area.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_04: Or something, no, it's everywhere.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_04: So they I I've learned loads of little things.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_04: I've seen, I've seen all sorts of little things.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_04: Like, right, this episode I'm gonna learn a little bit about all these things.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, a little bit of a taste for you all.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_04: I think my favourite out of all of those is the hand of glory.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_04: I like the corpse candle.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_04: I like the corpse candle.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: That was really cool.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: I thought I'd heard it, but no, I was thinking of something completely different.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_04: So and the fact that there's actually somebody still alive at the side.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_04: Who has who'd actually seen it?
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: I wonder if people have seen it and not said anything.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_04: Or don't realise what they're saying.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_04: Or maybe now there's so much light pollution you wouldn't see.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: You wouldn't see as much, yeah.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, in rural, in the middle of nowhere.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you've got this is where it is, you know, the fields and all that.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_04: But as we both know, a lot of air roads, most of the ways going through wild.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_04: You do, yeah.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_04: You know, even in the more rural areas, there's still quite a lot of houses and that, and there are shops.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_04: So uh you don't know whether there's too much light.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_01: You were like, oh, it's probably just a car, or yeah, someone with a phone, someone doing a bit of wild camp here, something like that.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so I don't know.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_04: And you know what?
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_04: Any Welshies out there, if you know more about that story that you want to share, um, or you've had you know a family member experience it, or you know more about it, just just let us know.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_04: Super interesting.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_04: Love to hear more about it.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_04: Definitely right, so um, I'm just gonna move on to a little danglu bit, and then we're gonna move on to your second.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because they don't cross over, so we're fine.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_04: Thank God for that.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: Or all my research would have been for nothing.
• 26:56
  unknown: Fuck.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: Well, do you know what?
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_04: If you'd have said that's mine, I would have just stopped there.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_01: No, I get you on that.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm I'm wearing little short little tasters anyway.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_04: So Halloween.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna show you all something.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_04: You've heard me talk before, don't know how you are with this uh about my Ouija board.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_04: Are you okay then getting it out?
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: You can get it out, yeah.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_04: Not touching it, but you can get it out.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm gonna show you all because some of you have to say episodes I talked about, don't want to actually see us.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_04: So it's lovely.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_04: It was uh handmade for me.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, gorgeous!
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_01: I love looking at them, I just don't play them myself.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_04: So I always keep it wrapped.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_04: Um one, because I don't want it to get damaged, but also I have uh my crystals to protect the board when it's not being used.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's stunning.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: Crystal.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, let me just hold it up for everybody.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_01: Upside down.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, it's now.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'm stupid.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: I was looking at the upside down bit, I'm an absolute idiot, sorry.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_04: And you know what?
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_04: The way it's being made, it just the uh planchard.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_04: It's a it's a placard.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_04: It's a placard, then the planchard.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_04: It moves really, really, really easy.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_04: It's beautiful.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_04: It's just really really nice, isn't it?
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_04: Um let me just I'll let you hear the sound.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_04: There's we um just get it near the microphone, hang on.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: So oh, that's satisfying.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, satisfying.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_04: So it does move quite easy, um, but when you put your fingers on it really, really lightly, um it you need to have a really good movement, really.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah, that's very satisfying.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_04: Cool, isn't it?
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_04: So that's my Ouija.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I'm sure most of you know what a Ouija board is, um, but if you don't, um basically it's uh a means of supposedly contacting the spirit world uh of the other realms and um getting messages or sending messages across.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_04: But a lot of people believe that it's an open gateway uh and anything can come in.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_04: You've got to be very, very careful.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_04: Um, if you do believe obviously a lot of these things, you've got to have some intent as well.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_04: Uh if you have a negative intent or you just feel a bit negative on that day, you're probably gonna um attract negative energy.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_04: So you go into it with positivity, pure thoughts, positive intent, um, and treat it with respect.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_04: If anything ever goes awry, you stop immediately and shut it down.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_04: Thank the board and all the rest of it, and off you fuck quick.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and you always protect your board with some kind of crystal, white sage, or something of your choosing, you know, whatever it is that makes you feel safe at the end of the day.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and I again I always wrap it up and just put it away, and I don't touch it until obviously I'm touching it now, until I want to use it.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_04: I generally don't put my fingers on anymore.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_04: If somebody wants to use this, he can.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_04: And I'll be around and I'll help them and open it up and shut it down.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but I won't put my fingers on during an actual uh session anymore.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_04: Um bad experiences.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_04: Respect the board, people.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_04: Respect the board.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_01: That's why I don't play with it because I'm I'm too daft and I can't trust myself.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: Fully believing it.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: I am a firm believer that like you can let things in.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: I've got lots of friends who have done Ouija boards.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, some have had very good experiences, some have had not so good experiences, which is why I'm like, no, I'm too stupid, and I'll say something silly.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: I told you about my Mormon thing, didn't I, with Elder Flowers?
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_01: I can't help but ask stupid questions.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't want a stupid answer from a Ouija board, so I'm good.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_04: Um so um, you know what?
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_04: If you're a sceptic and you don't believe, that's fine, just go make yourself a cup of tea.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but there's just uh there's too many, too many recorded video recorded instances um and testimonies and stuff of things that have gone wrong, actual evidence of things that have gone negatively when the board's been disrespected.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_04: Um I personally don't think there's much positive that comes down to a Ouija board, actually.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_04: You know, I've got one, it doesn't mean that I am totally safe and secure and trust it 100%.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_04: I really don't.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_04: No, but I've got one, I will say I've got one.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_04: Um and for those that want to use it, I've got one, you know.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_00: I get ya.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_04: But um yeah it's um I think it works.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_04: I've seen, I've been involved in it too many times.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, as a youngster, I did dabble.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_04: I did dabble, terrible, and um somebody who dabbled with us died not long after.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_04: I get ya.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_04: Um and it was really, really, really sad.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_04: They said it was suicide.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_04: I just don't know.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_04: I just don't know.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_04: Three weeks before she was fine.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_04: But people the day before can be fine, can't they?
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, of course.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_04: And it can be pure coincidence that it probably is, yeah, but it just makes you think.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_04: Of course it does.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_04: Um there's one particular night who's had a party, I know.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_04: Party with the girls, I was about 15 and uh got on the Ouija board, and um there was a message for me, and it was a warning that my dad was gonna um have a crash on Smithdown Road.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's very specific.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_04: I I was shitting myself because my dad was a taxi driver at the time.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_04: I was like, Oh my god, I don't have an accident, no mobile phones.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_04: So I was staying over, I couldn't sleep, and the next day I phoned my dad when he would be up.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_04: I was like, is everything okay?
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_04: He went, Oh, funny, you should phone.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_04: He went, I'm just telling me why house.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_04: He went, I lost the tire off my taxi last night and then he crashed.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_04: Linking a wheel came off.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_04: Smith's arm.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, bizarre.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: Bizarre.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: How do you explain that?
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_04: So I mean, up until that point I did believe, but there was nothing that I could prove.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_04: And so I was a bit like, oh yeah, yeah, it's a bit of fun.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_04: But after that, I was like fucking.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_04: Fuck me.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_04: So I really started respecting the board then.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_04: And um I did use it, but I was very, very, very, very careful.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, all sorts of things came out, all sorts about all of us and interesting stuff, sometimes malicious, nasty things.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_04: Sometimes the the planchard would be all over the board.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_04: Um, one day we had a glass, and um we had our face it was upturned, we had our fingers on like the the top of like a wine glass, and we took our fingers off, and we were like that, and it wasn't a very good experience.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_04: And my friend Rachel went, Oh, fuck you to the board and the glass.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_01: Why would you do that?
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_04: Why would you do that?
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_04: It went shh everywhere.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my god.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_04: Now I know that glass can just shatter for no reason whatsoever, but the timing was perfect.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's a bit too too perfect, you know what I mean?
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: For it to be a coincidence, yeah.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my god, there's all sorts.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_04: So uh, you know, if you if you like it and you can use it responsibly, then happy days, happy days.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_04: But you know, if you don't know much about it and you want to dabble, please research it first and do it with someone that knows what they're doing.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_04: Um, the whole thing behind and all that, I think is a very real thing.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, white sage everywhere afterwards and all that.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_04: Um and um yeah, it's it's it's a good little fool around, but I don't really know the fool risk.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_04: Really?
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_04: Because I just I don't think I think there's better ways to contact the other realm if you want to do that, not through something which historically has been known to be really quite negative.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_04: If you believe or not, you'll see in the films.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_04: There's not an awful lot good about Ouija boards.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_01: No, like I say, I know a lot of people with not good experience and very few with good experience.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_04: Let's put it this way, I've never used it in the house.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_04: I got you.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_04: It stays here, but I've never used it and never will.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_04: Never will.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: No, do not blame you.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_04: I don't need to anyway, the ghosts talk to me all the time.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_04: They're always making themselves known.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_04: Like that.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_04: Right, where's my keys?
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_04: Fucking hell.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_04: There's not my keys.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_04: Who's taking them?
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: Right then, over to you, Sissy Wednesday.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: What have you got for us?
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so we are delving into folklore, history of folklore.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, there is a reason I wore these boots.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_01: We're talking about the history of vampirism.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_01: Woohoo! I love it.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_01: I love vampires.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I was kind of fascinated by how vampires went from something quite scary.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_01: I know my nan is terrified of vampires still, to something quite sexy.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, we love a vampire.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: I like hot vampires.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_01: It has changed.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_01: I love a vampire, but it has changed drastically, and I wanted to know why.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_01: We've got some like Nosferato to 1922 Nosferato was fantastic.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_04: And um, what's the other one?
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_04: Um, Fright Knight, not Fright Knight.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_04: But the Fright Knight vampire was fucking hot.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_01: Have you seen Fright Knight?
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_01: Christopher Lee's Dracula.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, exactly.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_04: Vampires became sexy.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_04: It was around that time, I think.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_01: Come on.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_01: Tell us.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I wanted to go through the whole history of Vampires.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_01: So this is like a brief history.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: My condensed City Wednesday version.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: I knew it would be a longish one.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_04: So that's why.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_01: That's why we did the short ones.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's why we're done little short beginning.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_01: Because I get excited about things.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_01: Do it.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: So vampire, the earliest recorded version in English was the 1700s.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_01: So we've had vampires for a while.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's spelt vampire basically because before that, that came from a mixture of the French vampire and the German.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: Also vampire, but spelt differently.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: The one's the Y, isn't it?
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: I think.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: So super interesting, but most of it, the trace of the modern English word comes from the South Slavic countries.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: So exactly where you kind of think in the accent.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_01: Dracula.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_01: Kind of Dracul.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_01: Have you ever heard a Romanian person say Dracula, by the way?
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's the most I used to work with a girl who was Romanian.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_01: She for Halloween one year did a dra dramatic reading of the intro of Dracula.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_00: Dracula.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: It was very cool.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it was so good.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_01: It was amazing.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: She was fabulous.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, cultures across the world have had vampires.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_01: So the ancient Greeks believed in vampires.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the Mesopotamians, they had vampires.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_01: In the same context as we understand them?
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: The undead demons who would come back and these are basically the precursors to our modern sexy vampires.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_01: So a lot of them, um, basically the concept of fangs wasn't a thing back then.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_01: They would literally just come and drink human blood without the fangs, just like normal teeth, because they're just undead.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but a lot of that kind of um concept of vampires as we have them now with the blood drinking and stuff came from that.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_01: There's being undead people.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of these undead people were people who criticized the church.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: Of course they were.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_01: Uh they believed them to be witches.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_01: Suicide victims were commonly believed to come back as vampires, which is really, really interesting.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because they were malevolent spirits, essentially, and they would come back, look human, come and drink your blood.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_04: Or restless, maybe.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they were actually they were described as malevolent, which is why I use that word, but yeah, very much restless spirits who had something to finish off, essentially.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so in Chinese traditions, any corpse that was jumped over by an animal, particularly a dog or cat, was feared to become one of the undead vampires.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_01: Isn't that so bizarre?
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_01: I jump over my cat all the time.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_01: She runs under my feet and scares the life out of me.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: Umpires around then.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_01: So a body with a wound that had not been treated with boiling water was also at risk of becoming a vampire.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and like I said before, the Russian folklore was that people who criticized the Russian Orthodox Church would become a vampire, because of course they would.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so it was super, super interesting.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so cultural practice practices often arose um from preventing the deceased's loved one from turning into the undead.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_01: So they would like have them buried upside down so they couldn't climb out of the grave.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_01: So they're very common kind of facts that we know.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like we've seen people who were buried like that.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_01: The ancient Greeks did it by um putting things over the corpse's mouth and stuff like that.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_01: So when they went to the river sticks, they wouldn't come back.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they had not to say.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: I love the whole river sticks thing, you know.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, so do I.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: So do I.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's so interesting.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_01: I love ancient Greeks and Greek mythology.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um, all of these things basically um persisted in modern Greek folklore.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: So when we get to like they have gone to Christianity, and obviously they're then going into the Greek Orthodox.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so a wax cross and a piece of pottery with the inscription Jesus Christ conquers were placed on the corpses to prevent bodies becoming vampires.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_01: Is that not I'd never heard of that?
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_04: No, I've never been there.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_01: I've never heard of that, but it became quite a common thing.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_04: Learn loads of things I didn't know yet.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_01: See, this is why I was like, oh, I've gone down this rabbit hole.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm loving this.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_01: This is great.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so this was basically things all across Europe.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_01: People were buried with poppy seeds, uh, sand on the ground at gravesites of presumed vampires.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, we get to the early 18th century, right?
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_01: So Age of Enlightenment, great.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_01: Age of vampires also skyrockets.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: We get a vampire panic, a full-on epidemic of vampire panic across throughout Europe.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: This is right.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_01: So East Prussia, Prussia, Prussia, it's Prussia.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_01: I thought I'd got that right first time.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's fine.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: So uh 1721, this outbreak happens.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone's terrified of vampires.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_01: They are digging up corpses and killing them again with stakes, like wooden stakes, which is where we get the wooden stake thing from.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: Because that was what it's accessible to them people at that time.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_01: So much so that one of the empresses of Austria sends out her um basically little people and goes, Come on, peasants, you go, you go and investigate this.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_01: You tell me if these vampires are real and if I should be worried.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_01: So it's become that much of an epidemic across all of this part of the world that an empress is sending people out to check if vampires are real.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_01: This is like a proper manic panic back in the day, isn't it?
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_04: It is.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_04: There's no real evidence or proof now.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_01: No, got any vampires whatsoever.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_01: No, absolutely.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_01: And at this point, we are using the word vampire.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: Super interesting.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_01: Super, super interesting.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_01: Sent them out.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_01: This woman in Austria.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't Empress Sissy.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_01: This is before heads.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_01: No, sadly not.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_01: Sadly, it's Empress Maria Teresa.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_01: So she sends out her physician.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_01: A French theologian publishes a book on the evidence of vampirism and calls it the vampire epidemic.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's a huge problem.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, I didn't realise this.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah?
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, have you read about I've heard about some graves in like the likes of Romania and Poland, uh, some Czech country, some Czech areas where there's been graves with like bars and stuff like that.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_04: I don't want to go into that in case you talk about it.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_04: No, you're fine.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_04: But I didn't realise that there was like an epidemic.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_04: I thought it was just like, you know, rumour in small villages, an odd person was wherever.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my god.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_01: We had a first infamous vampire case, which I did want to talk about.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_01: This is in Serbia.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so it involved the corpse of Peter Blagjec.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_01: Don't know if I'm pronouncing that name right, but Peter.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_01: He was reported to have died at the age of 62, but allegedly returned after his death asking his son for food.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_01: When his son refused, the son's body was found dead the following day.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_01: He returned and attacked some neighbours who then died from blood loss, which again emphasizes the drinking of the blood kind of thing, as the concept of a vampire.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_01: But if he didn't do it, what what happened to the blood then?
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's so interesting.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_01: So, like I say, these incidents, there was loads of them.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_01: That was just one of them.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: There's like an absolute load to the point government officials were examining bodies and writing case reports on vampires, which is how we got to Empress Maria Teresa being like, go on, go and you go and check for these vampires.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so the the guy that came back to her basically was called Van Sweeten, and he concluded that they didn't exist.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_01: So the Empress then passed laws prohibiting the opening of graves and desecration of bodies, thus ending the vampire epidemic, basically.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, she was like, You're telling me that they're not there.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_01: You might be, but you're telling me they're not.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_01: So they're now not allowed to like dig people up and kill them again with stakes.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_01: So that's that one.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know about a vampire epidemic.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_04: No, no.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, of a like I say, of like, you know, little uh but not.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's a huge thing all across Europe.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, people were terrified of these vampires.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_04: It's like, where did it come from though?
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, okay, there's our people there that have lost blood and all that, but an epidemic.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely unbelievable.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: But they were convinced, they were convinced.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_01: So they were, like I say, burying family members upside down, putting sand over them, putting poppy seeds with them.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_01: What the poppy seed thing was.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_01: I don't really understand them.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_01: I tried to Google it and I couldn't find anything about it.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_01: Let me know, folks, if you know.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, if anyone knows, please do give us a heads up because I couldn't find anything.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so then obviously we get the myths from these cases that were written about.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_01: So I wanted to look at vampire fiction, because that's obviously where a lot of our vampire stuff grows.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what the first piece of vampire fiction was?
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't a book.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't a book.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you don't know then?
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's a poem, a poem from 1748, which was inspired by what he was actually seeing happening around him.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_01: So the guy was Heinrich August Ossenfelder, and it was a German poem called The Vampire.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_01: How interesting is that?
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_01: Then we don't really get much for a little while.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: But we I'm assuming people may know about the whole thing with Mary Shelley when they went off to Switzerland, I think it was, and they were all writing together.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_01: Well, one of the guys there was John Polydori.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_01: He then decided during this time, so there's a lot going on in the world at this time, and these are all gathering writing.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_01: So it's Lord Byron, Mary Shelley, Percy Baishe Shelley, whose name I can never pronounce properly.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_01: He's got a stupid name, stupid man.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_01: And John Polydori.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_01: So they had this spooky writing contest, and obviously 18-year-old Mary Shelley comes up with the genius of Frankenstein.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_01: And Polidori wrote The Vampire in 1819.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_01: So he turned this kind of zombie-like, what we would say as a zombie, so this undead, grotesque thing into a pale, charismatic, high society aristocrat modelled on Lord Byron.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_01: Which is why we get the aristocratic vampire, which is where things like when we look at Interview with a vampire, you've got this very well-made.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_01: It was inspired by Byron.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: That very looks down your nose at yeah, aristocratic.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's Byron.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's Lord Byron.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone hated Lord Byron.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_01: So then we skip forward a little bit in time and we get our first proper vampire novel.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_01: Bram Stoker?
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_01: No, before that.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_01: Carmilla.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_01: Do you not know about Carmilla?
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_01: Carmilla, I've I've read Carmilla and Dracula.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_01: Carmilla came in before.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_01: So Carmilla came out in 1872.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_01: And it was written by Joseph Sheridan LaFanim, who was an Irish writer, much like Bram Stoker.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_01: Still not Twiggin.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_01: He wrote Carmilla, which is a gothic novella.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's brilliant.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_01: I really love Carmilla.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_01: And it's a lesbian vampire.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_01: And she's a very well-off, sexy woman, which is where we get the sexy vampires from, because we get Carmilla, who is inherently hot in the book.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like I was like, this is written by a lesbian, because it just said Sheridan Lafanu, and then I found out it was a man and I was baffled.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_01: Uh very well written, but it's very suspenseful, lots of sexual tension, um proper, true vampire story.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's fabulous.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_01: Because for me, I've read Dracula.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_01: Dracula is a slog.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_01: But to begin with, getting into it, you're like, oh, well, you hugdy up.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, you know.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_01: I loved that.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_01: I struggled with it to the point where I had an audiobook.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_01: Tim Curry read the audiobook, by the way.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_01: Sign me up.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_01: Best thing I've ever listened to.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_04: How I pay Tim Curry?
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_01: I love him.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_01: I've always loved Tim Curry.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, so then Dracula came after in 1897, so quite a bit after.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_01: So then he published published Dracula, which obviously we then get the aristocratic kind of thing.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, count Dracula.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_00: Dracul.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, that movie.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_01: So loosely drawing on Vladby and Payler, very, very loosely.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_01: Inspired by Whitby Abbey for the ruins.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_01: So very interesting there.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_01: He combined the folklore, obviously, with the Victorian fears of invasion.
• 46:44
  unknown: Okay.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_01: Which we see when we read the book.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_01: And modern technology coming into it.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_01: So he kind of combined everything.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_01: So we don't get as much of the sexual.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, there's bits where they describe and thing.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_01: There is the tension there, but it's not as intense as it was with Carmilla.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_01: Because Carmilla is just Carmilla's brilliant.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_01: You must read Carmilla.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone who hasn't heard of or read Carmilla, go and read Carmilla.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_01: It is fabulous.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_04: So the lesbian vampire with some sexual moments or just or just it's that tension, that yearning, that very Did he get it on though?
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_01: As far as it's a very, very short book, but I'm sure it's implied rather than described.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_01: Because think about it, this is 1872.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_01: For a book that got popular at the time, it wouldn't have gone down well if they were fully getting it on.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_01: I read the gaps.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_01: Was it last year?
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you can.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's Carmilla's Hot.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_01: Carmilla's great.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_01: I really enjoyed it.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_01: I was reading it on the train, like, oh, I'm gonna have to put that away in case people can meet.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_04: Devastating.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_01: Devastating.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_01: I tried to explain Carmilla to me, fella, and he was just like, Are you joking?
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, no, get on Carmilla.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's brilliant.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna have to listen to the audiobook at least.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's incredible.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_01: But I loved it.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_01: And people don't talk about Carmilla anywhere near enough.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_01: Because Dracula reigns supreme.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_01: Best going on my list.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_01: Carmilla book.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, Carmilla's amazing.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_01: But then we get to the modern era.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_01: We've humanised vampires by this point, to the point where we have I Am Legend, which was obviously a vampire story.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_01: For anyone who doesn't know, it's not a zombie film.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_01: They missed out the point of that entire book, didn't they?
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_01: If you've read I am legends, yes.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, of course.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_01: So the whole point is he is a legend to the vampires.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_01: He's the only human, and they're terrified of him.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_01: Because he is like the vampire killer kind of thing.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_01: And they're terrified.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_01: He is literally legend.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um and it reframed it entirely.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, the book's brilliant.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_01: I I enjoyed the book.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_01: It was very, very good.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_01: So it laid the groundwork actually for the modern zombie apocalypse stuff we use, which is why they turned it into a zombie film.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's the reason they did it.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_01: You can see where they're coming from with it.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_01: I did wonder, you know.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's why they did it.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_01: Because it laid the groundwork for what would an apocalypse look like then?
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_01: Very interesting, but it's not a zombie book at all.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's a vampire book written in 1954.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_01: I did wonder.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_01: Then through vampire fiction, we get things like we've mentioned Interview with the Vampire.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_01: That leans into more of the aristocratic elements.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_04: The new series at once.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_04: The new series.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_04: I've been watching.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's good.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's good.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_01: I've like just started series two, I think.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_01: Incredible.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_01: I think controversial opinion.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_01: I always give a controversial opinion, don't I?
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_01: I it wasn't what I expected.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_01: So I read the book before I'd watched the film.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_01: And obviously now I'm watching the series.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the book is not what I expected.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_01: I expected very like bloodthirsty, gruesome vampires.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just two gay dads raising and a little kid.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, oh, don't get me wrong, I like that element of it.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_01: But I was like, this isn't what I signed up for on this occasion.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_01: I wanted a spooky vampire book.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_04: Well, the uh the film was nowhere near like the Buddha film, was quite a lot of blood and gone.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_01: Which is, I think, is why I quite liked the film.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_01: Although it's Tom Cruise, and I'm a bit iffy about Tom Cruise.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_01: His face annoys me and he's got a middle tooth.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's what it is.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_04: Lestat in the latest series is better.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, he's a brilliant Lestat de Leon Corps.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, really, really.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_01: So hot.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_01: He's a man with long hair.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'm in.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of men with long hair in there.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm in.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'm invested.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, we digress.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_01: So we get to the point where we're like humanizing them.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_01: They're not these gruesome, gross, crawled out from a grave kind of thing.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, oh, actually, they're very human and they're starting to get kind of hot.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_01: Then we get to the proper modern day, if you like, where we have like Twilight, hence these, uh, where it's like a sexy fella who glitters in the sun and isn't really doing much vampire stuff.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_01: I have some recommendations though of modern vampires.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_01: People who write horror really well, for any readers, if you look at Central and South American horror authors, they hit into the old school still.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_01: There's a book called Thirst by Maria Yozchuk.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_01: Marina Joszchuk, I think her name is.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, she is Argentinian and she writes Argentinian vampire, lesbian vampires.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_01: One of the best vampire books I've ever written.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_01: So are they still writing old school and are they?
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_01: They, if they're going in for horror, they're going in for gritty, gruesome, intense kind of stuff.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_01: This one is set in a cemetery in Buenos Aires.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_01: Beautiful, incredible.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_01: A taps into the old school vampire, which I really, really enjoyed.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_01: If you like Carmilla, for anyone who does know Carmilla has read Carmilla and loved it.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_01: Bury Our Bones in the Midnight Soil by V.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_01: E.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_01: Schwab.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_01: She writes.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_01: Bury our Bones in the Midnight Soil.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's a bit of a handful, isn't it?
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_01: It is a bit of a handful, but it's one of the best books I've ever read.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's incredible.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_01: So again, it's the lesbian it's always lesbian vampires, but again, that comes from Carmilla.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_01: So it taps into that old school.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_01: I ain't complaining.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm never complaining about and they do get it on in that.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's very good.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_01: Schwab.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, again, taps into that very old school idea of what a vampire is.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, cannot recommend some of those books enough.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_01: But like I say, we've we've modernised them, we've made them sexy.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_01: They're not scary anymore.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_01: Unless you're in a a central and South American horror book.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_01: And then you are quite scary, but you're still kind of hot.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_04: Um I don't know who me all-time favourite vampire is.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I think I probably do actually.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_04: Probably um Ram Stoker.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_04: Oh fuck, what's his name?
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_04: I always forget, isn't it?
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_04: Gary Oldman.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_04: I love Gary Oldman.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_04: Fucking L.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_04: But oh, the vampire in that.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_04: DMA, there's something about him.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_01: I get it.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_04: Like, bite me, just take me.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm yours.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_01: Have you seen the new Nosferato?
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_01: He's really hideous in it, and he is decaying, which I'm glad for because he should be, because he's if we're going into the old school, what a vampire is.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_01: Uh he's he's really hot.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_01: He he yearns, and I do really bad impressions of him going around the house.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's really fun time.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, sure.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, what is it?
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_01: It is a black omen to travel on ill health.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_01: I do that when I go and take my medication of the morning to yourself.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, oh yeah, I fully do that to myself.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's really bad.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, so anyway, that's a brilliant film.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_01: And again, Not for Art 2 came from Dracula, so it's just a a rip-off of Dracula, if you like, to the point where a lot of the 1922 one was taken out, like you it you couldn't watch it anyway, and then some people saved it, and that's why we still have the footage of it today.
• 52:54
  unknown: Interesting.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_04: That's one for me to watch.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um's great.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_04: Are you into more of the modern vampires or all vampires?
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_04: Give me all of them.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, give me all of them.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_01: Have you seen Salem's Lot?
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_01: So interestingly, I read the book.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_01: I've got a thing.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_01: Have I told you about my thing with Stephen King?
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_04: You can hear bad things.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_04: No, no, no.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, go on now.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_01: God no, it's absolutely fine.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_01: I know Stephen King's big woke, he's great.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so he he used to take a lot of cocaine.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_01: We know this is a fact, he's talked about it loads.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_01: Some of his best stories came from Coke.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_01: Cujo?
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't remember writing Kuo Joe.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_01: Fantastic book.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't love the film.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_01: I loved the book.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a big Stephen King reader.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but when he was coming off cocaine, he do you know how he detoxed?
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_01: He listened to a lot of Mambo number five.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_01: He gave him the same high.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_01: So when I'm now reading a Stephen King book, I did this with Salem's Lot.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_01: I had there's a 10-hour version of Mambo number five on YouTube, and I put that on and I read that in one sitting, as Stephen King intended.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_01: This is the same thing over and over.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_01: It gave Stephen King the boost, it'll work for me.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_01: So that's exactly what I do.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_01: If I'm reading a Stephen King book, it doesn't matter which one, Mambo number five.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_01: Have you got a favourite Stephen King book?
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_01: Pet Cemetery.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's my favourite book, probably.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_01: Old one as well.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's one of my favourite books of all time.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_01: Is it?
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, it is.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_01: I love a horror story if it's a metaphor for something.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_01: So that was obviously one for grief.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I think horror books that tap into what grief is are some of my favourites.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_01: There's a guy, again, Central American author, um, Gerardo Serrano Garcia, I think his name is, and he wrote one called Monstrelia, which is also about grief.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_01: So instead of like Pet Sem is obviously they bury someone and they come back.
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Monstrelio is she takes out a little bit of this guy, this kid's lung and grows a new one from him because she can't let go of the grief.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_01: And it is such a fantastic concept.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_01: I I love anything.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_01: So Pet Sem is my favourite horror of all time.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_04: Do you know what?
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_04: I really enjoyed Pet Semetry, but I wouldn't have put that anywhere near my favourite, you know.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_04: What yours?
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_04: My fave is insomnia.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_01: I struggled with insomnia.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_01: But then again, I did it.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_01: It is a big one.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_01: I liked the concept of the is it the ribbons?
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_04: That's one with the ribbons, isn't it?
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_04: So for those out there that don't know about it, haven't read it, I won't spoil it.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_04: But uh basically, this guy has got like terrible insomnia.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_04: I think he's in his 70s.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_04: Terrible insomnia.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_04: And so because he's awake, he watches what's going on in the streets, he's a curtain flicker.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, a bit like me in the old house.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_04: Can't do not to flicker, just the river and some birds.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_04: From the old house, it's all cars and buses going past.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_04: I was like him.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_04: And um, he starts seeing things outside at first putting it down to insomnia and just being overtired.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_04: And what he's seeing are these sorts of like beings, and they'll approach somebody like you or I.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_04: And what this guy could suddenly see was almost like a smoky aura around the person.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_04: He came to like a little point, and he described it as like a balloon.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_04: And this other person, this being would come along with scissors, sometimes shiny, sometimes rusty, and he'd snip the balloon, and the person would move on.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_04: And he'd sometimes see them moving on, most of the time moving on.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_04: And he went on for ages, not just observing, not getting it, and then eventually got to speak to all these things.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_04: And it goes on and on.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_04: It's a very big book, it's like that.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_04: It's chunky insomnia.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, I could not put that down.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, uh, it's one of the fastest reads I've ever had, after the size of it, and just recently I want to try and get back into reading books rather than shit online.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and I'm gonna pick Insomnia up.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_04: That's gonna be my first return.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_04: Have you got a physical copy?
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_01: Because I've got one if you haven't.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_01: Have you?
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, if you want to borrow mine, you more than welcome.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_01: I don't mind you.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_01: I've got a bit of a king collection because why wouldn't I?
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_04: So I I like that one, I like the um The Last Stand.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_04: I liked a great one.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, really, really good.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_04: Um oh god, that's it.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_01: What's that one with JFK?
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_01: The names let's remind it's all numbers 1126, something is it?
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, that's the one with the the time travel goes back.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, um that was alright, that one.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_04: That was alright.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_04: They made a TV series or I haven't seen it though.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_04: No, I haven't either.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_04: But I love Stephen King and uh Dean Kuntz.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_04: Have you read Dean Koontz?
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_04: I haven't, but I've heard a lot of good things.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_04: Dean Kuntz uh obviously is a horror writer.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but I find Stephen King can be a little bit more fantasy.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, and he's been he's been very hard to put into movies and TV shows until recently with CGI.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_04: Some of the earlier movies were terrible because he didn't have the technology to take what Stephen King had in his brain and put it on TV.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_04: So it's getting better for sure.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_04: But Dean Kuntz, you could believe more of his.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_04: So his were definitely horrors thriller, psychological, but um, they were a bit more scary because they could actually happen.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_01: I get you.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_01: I was like that with James Herbert with the rats.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, James Herbert's brilliant as well.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_01: Incredible.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we should have like a little book club for our deviant, shouldn't we?
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, we don't.
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_01: If you want book recommendations, I've got books coming out of my ears.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_01: I read about 120 books a year.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_04: So I've got I need to start reading just for myself, really, just to you know get out my head.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_01: Have you all read Wother and Heights yet?
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_01: You've been months, been months, thick.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good spooky season read.
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's atmospheric and gothic.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_04: I know, I should.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_04: I knew it would come off at some point.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_01: At some point it was gonna come back to you.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I am a big, like I say, big horror reader and read a lot, especially at the minute, Central and South American.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_01: But every spooky season I reread Pet Cemetery.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_04: I wondered if we should do like maybe something on Patreon, maybe not.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_04: Where we do a booth and give everybody a month.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_04: And maybe it's a month in real life, and then we can just chat about it afterwards.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_04: I'd love that.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe we do it.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_04: If it's Patreon, we could go live and maybe do a little chat online or something.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_04: Or that could be too complicated for me, maybe not.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_04: Um we'll figure it out.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_04: A spooky book club thing for our views.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm totally up for a spooky book club because I mostly read horror.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_04: Because we can chat all day long about books.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_04: If we've both read it recently, we could take that apart.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_04: Have we?
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think about dystopian?
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_01: Tender as the flesh, one of the best books I've ever read.
• 58:53
  SPEAKER_01: Again, South American, but it's really popular.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_01: I think you'd because it's properly weird.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_01: I think you'd get into it.
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_04: I really love uh sick horror.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like disturbing horror.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I read extreme horror, I read splatterpunk, I write splatterpunk books.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like I write.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_04: Very bad goal.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_04: I love go.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_01: You'd love Tender as the Flesh.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_01: It'd mesh it up.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_04: It's brilliant.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway, we're gonna go on about books all the way.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_04: We are, yeah.
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_04: But I think horror books, go to the book.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_04: Let us know what you think about that.
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_04: If someone you want to be involved with something like a book a month or something.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, if you want sissy spooky recommendations, because if I've got to talk about it, I've got to fucking read it, haven't I?
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_04: Uh so yeah, do you know what?
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_01: Let us know what you think.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good thing.
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_01: Give us a shout because, like I say, I'm more than happy to look through my collection and recommend because I'm reading Brian Lumley as well at the minute with Van Pity.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_01: Don't know if you've read them.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_01: KGB Vampires.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_01: No, great, sign me up.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_01: They're really good.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_01: So much.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_04: I feel like I need to uh put like hours aside of hours of any week to go.
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_01: We will we will sort.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_01: We will sort something with the recommendations.
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'll bring you some books.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_04: Right then, got a little Lady Lobosomy.
• 59:55
  SPEAKER_04: Dear, Lady Lobosomy.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_04: My long-term dominant has finally asked me to be collared to him, and I am so excited.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_04: I just wanted to tell you, we've been together for nine years, and our relationship turned romantic uh many years ago now.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_04: This feels more significant than getting engaged.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_04: I don't need advice, as you can tell.
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_04: I'm very happy and bouncy, lol.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_04: But I don't think you've ever talked about collaring properly.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_04: So I thought my news could prompt a quick discussion around this.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway, you were on my list of people to tell, as I feel like you're all friends now.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_04: Thanks for the laughs and keeping it real.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_04: Love you guys, Samantha and Jordan.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, how lovely.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you for sharing that.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you very much.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_04: So, do you know much about colouring?
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_04: Probably not as much as I should.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_04: So I won't go on and on and on because of course it's uh it's a big, big subject, but just for the because I have actually mentioned the word collaring on a few occasions, and I was aware, like, oh yeah, maybe you don't know what that is.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_04: And um, Samantha there, she said, I feel more excited than when we got engaged.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_04: Because it is a commitment, it is a commitment.
• 1:00:59
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but somebody can be collared to somebody and not be in a romantic relationship.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_04: So let me explain.
• 1:01:05
  SPEAKER_04: We've talked about dominance and submissives before, and that dominance and submissives can form uh relationships, whether they be sexual, romantic, or just a BDSM relationship.
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_04: And some people, whether they're in a romantic relationship with each other or not, they want to do something significant to mark the commitment to each other, like getting married.
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_04: And to some people, it's as important as getting married because of all the trust that's involved in BDSM and the bond that you form because of that trust, as we always say, trust is sexy.
• 1:01:38
  SPEAKER_04: So people see that as just as important, if not more, because the trust is so strong.
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_04: You know, you trust your dominant implicitly to you know do what you want to do without harming you up here and everywhere else, and you trust and you're submissive as a dominant to keep it real and and you know don't push your boundaries and break basically.
• 1:01:58
  SPEAKER_04: But just the bond that you have when you're scening with somebody for a long time, it's a quite a special friendship.
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_04: And some people want to mark that with something.
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_04: Some people do it by wearing an actual collar, it can look like a dog collar, but it's not.
• 1:02:13
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, some people wear stainless steel collars with like a little padlock.
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_04: Some people wear them 24-7, some people wear them just when they're out and about in on the scene or at home with their dominant.
• 1:02:24
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_04: Um, some people who want to wear it 24-7 might have something's a bit more discreet.
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_04: And if I tell you, you'll see them now.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_04: So it looks like a wire almost.
• 1:02:35
  SPEAKER_04: Um, like a I can't remember what it's called.
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 1:02:39
  SPEAKER_04: It's like a bendy type wire, but obviously it's not just a fucking metal wire.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_04: No, it's it's like a precious metal.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and it joins sometimes they can click together, sometimes it's got a little hell, and just like a little discrete padlock, which can just look like a necklace or just like a little charm, but it's not, it doesn't hang down, it's formed, it's shaped round like a collar, but it often sits away from the neck, so it might just sit just slightly down here, but with a little padlock on.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_04: Some people have another charm on there, doesn't always need to be a padlock, it can be like something engraved with a name on or something like that.
• 1:03:17
  SPEAKER_04: Some people do have necklaces, but not many.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_04: It doesn't feel the same because you can easily take it off.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_04: Some collars are very, very, very heavy.
• 1:03:27
  SPEAKER_04: I used to have a stainless steel one as well, that thick.
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_04: Uh obviously neck circumference, and it was so, so, so heavy.
• 1:03:35
  SPEAKER_04: And that wasn't something that I would put on somebody if I was collaring them for commitment, but that was something that I've put on in the dungeon just to make it feel heavy, like yeah, you know.
• 1:03:45
  SPEAKER_04: But some people have got those as well.
• 1:03:48
  SPEAKER_04: And often there's a collaring ceremony.
• 1:03:50
  SPEAKER_04: I've done collaring ceremonies.
• 1:03:51
  SPEAKER_04: I've I've led the collar, yeah.
• 1:03:53
  SPEAKER_04: And often they'll make their own vows to each other, like a wedding.
• 1:03:57
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, it's not like I'm gonna beat you at five o'clock every day, not that at all.
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_04: Often it's a thanks.
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_04: So the ones I've done, you know, thank you for trusting me.
• 1:04:07
  SPEAKER_04: I promise I I will not break that trust.
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, my commitment to you means, you know, I'm this to you, I'm that to you, and you to me are this.
• 1:04:15
  SPEAKER_04: It's really, really, really nice.
• 1:04:17
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and you know, as part of that, there'd be a collar.
• 1:04:21
  SPEAKER_04: Now, for the dominant, they obviously wouldn't want to wear a collar, but they might want to do something still significant as part of the exchange.
• 1:04:27
  SPEAKER_04: So some people wear like a little braceless with a uh a padlock or like I say, a charb or something engraved.
• 1:04:33
  SPEAKER_04: Some people wear a ring.
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_04: A lot of guys wear a ring, it looks like a wedding ring, it's often on that finger.
• 1:04:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, uh, it might be engraved on the inside, so it could be worn out and about, but nobody would know what it is unless you looked on the inside.
• 1:04:45
  SPEAKER_04: Some people don't have anything like that at all.
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, it's just the submissive that's collar, that's why it's often called a collaring ceremony.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, but it's becoming more and more common if there's been exchange because it is like a commitment of marriage almost, you know?
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:04:59
  SPEAKER_04: And so I urge you out there, if you're thinking about collaring, to take it really seriously, folks.
• 1:05:06
  SPEAKER_04: Um I've heard a lot of people they thought we're getting collared, they've been together like six months, you know.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:05:11
  SPEAKER_04: And like anything, you wouldn't well, some people do get married after six months.
• 1:05:14
  SPEAKER_04: Me and Jimmy got engaged after eight.
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_04: You know, we knew.
• 1:05:17
  SPEAKER_04: But um, you need to take it as seriously as that.
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_04: Um and it makes me a bit like when people don't.
• 1:05:24
  SPEAKER_04: Um and if every every anybody ever asks me to do a collar and I'll have this conversation normally, you know, about the commitment.
• 1:05:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:05:32
  SPEAKER_04: Uh and not to mock it, like you do, like we would say in marriage, you know, it's an important commitment.
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_04: And what does it mean?
• 1:05:39
  SPEAKER_04: It doesn't mean that you know you you gotta live by a certain set of rules, but some people do.
• 1:05:44
  SPEAKER_04: If they're being collared, they might be 24 7.
• 1:05:47
  SPEAKER_04: If they're not, though, you know, as part of that, uh, they wouldn't say it in front of everybody, but you know, they have like a bit of a promise to each other to maintain what it was that brought them together as a DS in the first place.
• 1:05:57
  SPEAKER_04: So it isn't necessarily a set of rules of you're gonna do And you're gonna serve me and you know rub my feet every night.
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_04: It's just a little reminder of how they came to that commitment, what brought them to that point, and to maintain the standards, if you like, that they've enjoyed.
• 1:06:12
  SPEAKER_04: It's really nice, actually.
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_04: It's much more than your mind.
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_04: Much, much more.
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_04: It's much more than a power exchange.
• 1:06:19
  SPEAKER_04: It's actually a mutual commitment.
• 1:06:21
  SPEAKER_04: It's not about power at all.
• 1:06:23
  SPEAKER_04: Outside of the ceremony, I suppose it is, there's often a power exchange, but during a natural ceremony, it's it's much more than that.
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_04: It's often it's it's supposed to be forever, it's supposed to be long term, but like any relationship, they can break down, unfortunately.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, when that happens, you need to treat it exactly the same as a marriage, and you communicate and you try and do it amicably because you often share the same spaces, unfortunately, you know.
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_04: And with a collarin and that commitment often comes a friendship circle, just like a marriage, and all that needs to be considered.
• 1:06:54
  SPEAKER_04: So before anybody goes into collaring, you've got to think really careful and all those things that I've said, and that is why I have never collared anybody in a couple of decades, even my ex-sub Ricardo.
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't, I didn't ever collar him, and uh, I just didn't want to have that long-term life commitment with somebody.
• 1:07:16
  SPEAKER_04: I've made that with Jim.
• 1:07:17
  SPEAKER_04: I got you, and actually, in hindsight, now because I sub to Jim, it'd probably feel weird being collared to somebody else.
• 1:07:23
  SPEAKER_04: If I was single, yeah, maybe I might have.
• 1:07:26
  SPEAKER_04: There was never any romantic thing, you know, especially on my behalf.
• 1:07:29
  SPEAKER_04: But I might have done it as a thing of commitment, but I didn't really ever want to.
• 1:07:33
  SPEAKER_04: I was committed to one person, and that was that.
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_04: But everyone's different, everyone's different in there.
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and it's a personal choice, but yeah, talk about it and research it and ask the questions and you know from me if you like.
• 1:07:44
  SPEAKER_04: Um what do you think about cholera?
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_04: Is it something that you knew much about?
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's not something I knew a huge amount about.
• 1:07:48
  SPEAKER_01: No, I had a general gist, shall we say, that it was some level of commitment to somebody, but I didn't know all the ins and outs.
• 1:07:55
  SPEAKER_04: You're surprised that there's actually such a commitment, you know, it's a lot like, yeah, absolutely.
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, to some people it it's not, yeah, they might they might actually, it's a bit more casual, but I'd try and urge you if you like, you know, let's keep BDSM alive and our history, and actually, you know, cholera and is a bit much more significant than you know your mind for a few months until I get bored and move on to the next person.
• 1:08:16
  SPEAKER_04: It should be a proper commitment, yeah, really.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_04: And so I'm really, really made up for these guys, you know, that they want to share that information.
• 1:08:23
  SPEAKER_04: I loved it that you said you were on my list of people to tell.
• 1:08:27
  SPEAKER_04: That's so lovely, that's proper gorgeous, then isn't it?
• 1:08:30
  SPEAKER_04: Isn't it lovely?
• 1:08:31
  SPEAKER_04: So I was all humbled.
• 1:08:33
  SPEAKER_04: So, congratulations, guys.
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_04: Uh really, really, really pleased for you.
• 1:08:37
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you for for sharing it and for choosing us to be on your list of first people to tell.
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_04: Very, very humbled.
• 1:08:43
  SPEAKER_04: And uh, long may it continue.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_04: And uh, if anything significant happens along your journey, feel free to share that as well because I'd love to hear about it.
• 1:08:50
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely, thank you very much.
• 1:08:52
  SPEAKER_04: So, I'm just gonna finish off on a little fetish factor.
• 1:08:56
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I love these.
• 1:08:57
  SPEAKER_04: I'm so bad at them.
• 1:09:00
  SPEAKER_04: I'm so bad at them.
• 1:09:01
  SPEAKER_04: I am okay.
• 1:09:03
  SPEAKER_04: So, do you know the Muffin Man?
• 1:09:07
  SPEAKER_04: The Muffin Man.
• 1:09:08
  SPEAKER_04: The Muffin Man?
• 1:09:09
  SPEAKER_04: The Halloween Muffin Man, speaking.
• 1:09:11
  SPEAKER_04: Well, it's a bit of a Muffin.
• 1:09:12
  SPEAKER_04: We were talking about horror, thriller, yeah, gore, all that before.
• 1:09:16
  SPEAKER_04: This is in line with that.
• 1:09:18
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not gonna ask you what it is because you won't know.
• 1:09:20
  SPEAKER_04: It's called Varara Philia.
• 1:09:23
  SPEAKER_04: It sounds fun to say though.
• 1:09:25
  SPEAKER_04: Some of you out there might have heard of it as uh Vor fences.
• 1:09:29
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I know what this is, yeah.
• 1:09:31
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 1:09:32
  SPEAKER_04: Now, I've been avoiding it, to be honest with you.
• 1:09:36
  SPEAKER_04: Obviously.
• 1:09:36
  SPEAKER_04: Well, you know, it's not obvious, yes, you don't know what it is.
• 1:09:39
  SPEAKER_04: Um, people think it's eating another person.
• 1:09:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:09:44
  SPEAKER_04: And obviously, very illegal.
• 1:09:46
  SPEAKER_04: Please don't do it.
• 1:09:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:09:47
  SPEAKER_04: And uh if you have fantasies of eating another person, you're not a vorophiliac.
• 1:09:53
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you need help, basically.
• 1:09:55
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:09:55
  SPEAKER_04: Voraphiliacs actually don't do the actual act, it's a fantasy.
• 1:10:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, it's a fantasy fetish Vore.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_04: And um, you know, for those who are into you know fantasy comics and stuff like that, Vaug might have actually come up.
• 1:10:10
  SPEAKER_04: Um there are some cases of people being asked to be killed and eaten.
• 1:10:15
  SPEAKER_04: There's a case in Germany.
• 1:10:16
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, I think it was last year it went to court, and they've got evidence and everything of the guy having big long conversations with the killer, yeah.
• 1:10:24
  SPEAKER_04: Asking to be killed, he wanted to be killed.
• 1:10:26
  SPEAKER_04: He did.
• 1:10:26
  SPEAKER_01: He said that was his highest fantasy, didn't he?
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and the guy doing it, it was his thing as well.
• 1:10:30
  SPEAKER_04: It was.
• 1:10:31
  SPEAKER_04: And he was arguing that I was literally carrying out It was consensual, is what the argument was in that case.
• 1:10:36
  SPEAKER_04: But there's just there's no such thing as consent for murder.
• 1:10:39
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely, yeah.
• 1:10:40
  SPEAKER_04: And that's a very, very, very extreme form.
• 1:10:43
  SPEAKER_04: But actually, when we talk about it now, it's not actually eating another person, killing another person, slicing bits off another person, it's more around the fantasy.
• 1:10:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and there's all sorts out there, and vor fessish is expressed primarily through artwork, uh, role play videos, video games.
• 1:11:03
  SPEAKER_04: Apparently, there's a couple out there.
• 1:11:04
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, interesting.
• 1:11:06
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and all sorts of stuff.
• 1:11:08
  SPEAKER_04: So it's not cannibalism, it is people roleplaying eating parts and stuff like that.
• 1:11:16
  SPEAKER_04: There's soft voe, um, where somebody is the prey, uh, and they're swallowed whole by a predator.
• 1:11:23
  SPEAKER_04: No chewing, chomping, seasoning.
• 1:11:26
  SPEAKER_04: That's soft.
• 1:11:28
  SPEAKER_04: That's soft voe.
• 1:11:29
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, I just wasn't expecting you to say seasoning.
• 1:11:32
  SPEAKER_01: Just a bit of salt and pepper on that person, no problem.
• 1:11:34
  SPEAKER_04: Wild?
• 1:11:35
  SPEAKER_04: Chuck them down like some paracesamol.
• 1:11:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:11:38
  SPEAKER_04: Sound.
• 1:11:39
  SPEAKER_04: That's soft voe.
• 1:11:40
  SPEAKER_04: And um, you know, you'll see like animated stuff that people have made.
• 1:11:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:11:44
  SPEAKER_04: There's some AI stuff out there.
• 1:11:46
  SPEAKER_04: I've seen quite a bit of it.
• 1:11:47
  SPEAKER_04: I haven't done this research.
• 1:11:48
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, it could be a predator, and a lot of them are sort of that you'd recognise they're a monster that somebody's created in their brain.
• 1:11:56
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:11:56
  SPEAKER_04: So it it's a it's a a villain, but normally that you'd recognise could be like a very monstrous villain.
• 1:12:01
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
• 1:12:02
  SPEAKER_04: You could big creature from the sea, yeah, swooping up and eating somebody whole, not chewing.
• 1:12:07
  SPEAKER_04: That's soft voe.
• 1:12:09
  SPEAKER_01: Not seasoning, yeah.
• 1:12:10
  SPEAKER_04: No seasoning, yeah.
• 1:12:12
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and then hard vole.
• 1:12:14
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so it is eating fantasy, but there's the imagery includes biting, chewing, body destruction, right?
• 1:12:24
  SPEAKER_04: So bones being crushed, digestion, so you can see swallowing.
• 1:12:30
  SPEAKER_04: Sometimes there's monsters that are slightly transparent, you can see in the okay.
• 1:12:34
  SPEAKER_04: There's all sorts out there, guys.
• 1:12:35
  SPEAKER_04: It really, really is.
• 1:12:37
  SPEAKER_04: It's a very, very, very big genre.
• 1:12:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:12:39
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and people aren't necessarily producing this for sexual reasons.
• 1:12:46
  SPEAKER_04: It's it's a subculture, it's something that people are enjoying to uh you read, absorb, uh visually stimulating in an artistic sense, not necessarily sexual.
• 1:12:58
  SPEAKER_04: However, there are some people, because this is obviously a fetish factoid, who do get off on it.
• 1:13:04
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and they get off on on the thought of themselves being decapitated, eaten, chewed upon.
• 1:13:12
  SPEAKER_04: Um, some people do are like zombie fetish and being eaten by zombies and stuff, and a lot of the vault can be zombie-related as well.
• 1:13:21
  SPEAKER_04: So, like guts being pulled out and all that kind of thing, yeah.
• 1:13:24
  SPEAKER_04: Um, there are some out there involving dominance and submission as well, offering yourself up to a dominance and then being devoured, devoured in print, folks.
• 1:13:36
  SPEAKER_04: In print.
• 1:13:38
  SPEAKER_04: Um, why do people find this sexy?
• 1:13:40
  SPEAKER_04: I dug, and we don't actually know.
• 1:13:44
  SPEAKER_04: We do not know.
• 1:13:46
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you've probably heard of the DSM5 that lists all of the paraphilias and stuff.
• 1:13:51
  SPEAKER_04: Vor fetish is in there in detail, but even psychologists don't conclusively know why.
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_04: Some psychologists think it's absolute surrender, yeah.
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_04: So in their minds, sexually they just surrender themselves completely to the whim of somebody else to the point where they can do literally anything, including eat their arm.
• 1:14:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:14:13
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:14:14
  SPEAKER_04: And it gets them off somehow.
• 1:14:15
  SPEAKER_04: And there's obviously some sort of chemical thing that they reckon is going on to actually turn something so horrific and could be fatal into a fetish.
• 1:14:25
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 1:14:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:14:27
  SPEAKER_04: Um and they reckon it can come from you know quite early on, but again, they don't even know there's a trigger, it's just something.
• 1:14:35
  SPEAKER_04: It's just something.
• 1:14:36
  SPEAKER_04: And they say that the majority of people out there, it is literally just a fetish that says in the head, like a lot of our fetishes and fantasies.
• 1:14:44
  SPEAKER_04: And they do keep it on paper, they won't hurt themselves.
• 1:14:47
  SPEAKER_04: So there's no incidence of people that um self-harm being more into anything like this at all.
• 1:14:52
  SPEAKER_04: It's completely separate.
• 1:14:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's a very, very small number of people who do have sexual fantasies and will wank off to the thought of themselves being consumed or eaten, chewed upon.
• 1:15:02
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:15:02
  SPEAKER_04: Nuts.
• 1:15:03
  SPEAKER_04: Fascinating.
• 1:15:04
  SPEAKER_04: Nuts.
• 1:15:05
  SPEAKER_04: Not judging, you don't understand it to judge, to be honest.
• 1:15:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:15:07
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but I can sort of get the illustrative side because some people are into art, graphiphophilia.
• 1:15:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, graphiphilia, I think it is.
• 1:15:18
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and they really love the visual representation of violence, sexual violence, even.
• 1:15:24
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, and so a lot of those people are into the VOA fantasy fetus as well.
• 1:15:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:15:29
  SPEAKER_04: And when you look at some of the VOA, when it's more sexual, there's creatures in your massive tentacle erections and stuff like that.
• 1:15:37
  SPEAKER_04: And the I saw one, or what was it called now?
• 1:15:40
  SPEAKER_04: And the penis came out and opened up and like ate somebody from the penis.
• 1:15:44
  SPEAKER_04: Wild.
• 1:15:45
  SPEAKER_04: Where do you think about this stuff, man?
• 1:15:48
  SPEAKER_04: What sort of imagination have you got to have to think about this wild stuff?
• 1:15:53
  SPEAKER_04: It's not so people are so interesting.
• 1:15:56
  SPEAKER_04: So, I mean, you know, they've sexualised it by using the penis as a thing that eats, yeah.
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's just absolutely nuts.
• 1:16:02
  SPEAKER_04: Now, I did go back and and um look if this went back in history.
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, and it does.
• 1:16:08
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, of course.
• 1:16:09
  SPEAKER_04: Before we finish, you and I both love Greek mythology.
• 1:16:12
  SPEAKER_04: We do.
• 1:16:13
  SPEAKER_04: Uh have you heard of Cronus?
• 1:16:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, of course I have.
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_04: Devouring Children.
• 1:16:16
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 1:16:17
  SPEAKER_04: It's in Greek mythology.
• 1:16:19
  SPEAKER_04: Jonah and the whale.
• 1:16:20
  SPEAKER_04: Of course.
• 1:16:21
  SPEAKER_04: So it's been out there, and even Little Red Riding Hood.
• 1:16:25
  SPEAKER_04: You know, it comes under the.
• 1:16:27
  SPEAKER_04: It's all comes under the Vor fetish umbrella.
• 1:16:32
  SPEAKER_04: But obviously, nowadays our monsters are much more um grandiose than the while and Jonah.
• 1:16:40
  SPEAKER_04: Um, much more gory and visually stimulating.
• 1:16:43
  SPEAKER_04: I do love a bit of uh outrageous artwork.
• 1:16:47
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so I don't mean like uh abstract, something that's really so fantasy and outrageous.
• 1:16:54
  SPEAKER_04: Um me and Jimmy have got tattoos on our box our box on our backs, fantasy fetish.
• 1:17:01
  SPEAKER_04: I can't actually fucking around with the artists have had a proper brain force, but he does all like demons, devils.
• 1:17:08
  SPEAKER_04: Um Jimmy's got like a demon stabbing an angel.
• 1:17:12
  SPEAKER_04: Love that, and then an angel stabbing a devil on the other side.
• 1:17:16
  SPEAKER_04: So fun.
• 1:17:16
  SPEAKER_04: And it's all been uh inspired by this artist.
• 1:17:19
  SPEAKER_04: I can't remember what it's called because this is on video for those who are watching.
• 1:17:22
  SPEAKER_04: When I remember, I'll flash the name off on screen.
• 1:17:24
  SPEAKER_01: Love it.
• 1:17:25
  SPEAKER_04: Old lady moment.
• 1:17:26
  SPEAKER_04: So there you go, a bit of uh Vorafilia.
• 1:17:28
  SPEAKER_01: I've learned something new.
• 1:17:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'd heard of, but I didn't know quite that much.
• 1:17:32
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 1:17:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, a little bit of a.
• 1:17:34
  SPEAKER_04: How interesting.
• 1:17:35
  SPEAKER_04: People are fascinating.
• 1:17:35
  SPEAKER_04: It doesn't get me off at all, but some of the artwork you can't help but be impressed.
• 1:17:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:17:40
  SPEAKER_04: Really, really, really good.
• 1:17:41
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 1:17:42
  SPEAKER_01: Fair play.
• 1:17:43
  SPEAKER_04: So there we go, folks.
• 1:17:44
  SPEAKER_04: That's our Halloween episode over.
• 1:17:46
  SPEAKER_04: That's delightful.
• 1:17:47
  SPEAKER_04: And you know what?
• 1:17:48
  SPEAKER_04: I loved the vampire section.
• 1:17:49
  SPEAKER_04: There's loads in there, didn't know.
• 1:17:51
  SPEAKER_04: Loads, I didn't know.
• 1:17:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but isn't it funny that we've both uh dressed a bit vampire?
• 1:17:56
  SPEAKER_01: As I came in before, I went, Oh, we've both got vampire-y, and then you said folklore, and I was like, Oh no.
• 1:18:00
  SPEAKER_01: Oh shit.
• 1:18:00
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no.
• 1:18:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna have to go into my topic that I wasn't gonna talk about on this one.
• 1:18:05
  SPEAKER_04: So before we leave, what are your plans for Halloween this year?
• 1:18:10
  SPEAKER_01: My plan so I've planned my outfit and I'm very excited.
• 1:18:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'm being the Mothman.
• 1:18:14
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 1:18:15
  SPEAKER_01: And Ste is being a lamp because moths love lamps.
• 1:18:18
  SPEAKER_01: You're going to a party?
• 1:18:20
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, probably my auntie's house, so not really.
• 1:18:22
  SPEAKER_04: So you're going to all the safford for your auntie's house?
• 1:18:24
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, God love you.
• 1:18:25
  SPEAKER_01: I've crocheted my Mothman cape.
• 1:18:27
  SPEAKER_01: I think I remember you saying that you were doing something like this.
• 1:18:30
  SPEAKER_01: So I get to be Mothman.
• 1:18:31
  SPEAKER_01: My partner's a lamp, and moths love lamps.
• 1:18:33
  SPEAKER_01: So but we're gonna get like one of those little lamps, you know, you tap them and the light comes on, so we can stick that on top of it so it's a functioning lamp, and then I can dance around the lamp.
• 1:18:42
  SPEAKER_04: This is reminding me of the episode with the Dominatrix and the guy who has a lamp, and she flicked as William.
• 1:18:48
  SPEAKER_04: The lamp came off.
• 1:18:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but yeah, so that's my Halloween plans.
• 1:18:53
  SPEAKER_01: What are yours?
• 1:18:54
  SPEAKER_04: I haven't got any.
• 1:18:55
  SPEAKER_04: Fair enough.
• 1:18:55
  SPEAKER_04: None at all.
• 1:18:57
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I feel like I should do something.
• 1:19:00
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so the day before Halloween, um I am going to a party, but Halloween itself, not a thing.
• 1:19:05
  SPEAKER_01: I'm at a concert the day before.
• 1:19:06
  SPEAKER_01: Oh I'm gonna see punk rock factory.
• 1:19:08
  SPEAKER_01: They do emo covers emo covers of like Disney songs, and like they do like emo covers of like mbop and stuff as well.
• 1:19:16
  SPEAKER_01: They're fabulous, they're so fun.
• 1:19:18
  SPEAKER_01: That sounds really good.
• 1:19:19
  SPEAKER_01: So they're in Liverpool the day before.
• 1:19:21
  SPEAKER_04: Well, the Halloween here last year was our first, and I thought that we were gonna get loads of chicken trees and we didn't get one.
• 1:19:25
  SPEAKER_01: Did you not?
• 1:19:26
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I get loads by me, but I just leave the suites outside and all the kids just take one.
• 1:19:29
  SPEAKER_04: Do you know what I think it is?
• 1:19:30
  SPEAKER_04: One.
• 1:19:31
  SPEAKER_04: The mums and dads can't be arse walking up all the stairs to get to our house.
• 1:19:34
  SPEAKER_04: We're on a big hill and we've got loads of steps.
• 1:19:37
  SPEAKER_04: It's quite steep as well, isn't it?
• 1:19:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:19:39
  SPEAKER_04: The poor postman, you know, when he comes to the delivery lesson.
• 1:19:41
  SPEAKER_04: Just to read it.
• 1:19:42
  SPEAKER_04: We only get a postal delivery about twice a week, and I think it's because it's just saves them.
• 1:19:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I don't blame them.
• 1:19:48
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:19:48
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, we're going to a party.
• 1:19:50
  SPEAKER_04: Gorgeous.
• 1:19:50
  SPEAKER_04: Um, me and Haley, yes, my friend, we're going as the shining twins.
• 1:19:55
  SPEAKER_04: Love it.
• 1:19:56
  SPEAKER_04: And Haley went on to Timu to buy the costume.
• 1:19:59
  SPEAKER_04: Hilarious.
• 1:20:00
  SPEAKER_01: I love the shining twins.
• 1:20:00
  SPEAKER_04: And we both look like a pair of meffs in these costumes.
• 1:20:04
  SPEAKER_04: They're not good costumes.
• 1:20:05
  SPEAKER_04: But you know what?
• 1:20:06
  SPEAKER_04: It's Halloween.
• 1:20:06
  SPEAKER_04: It's not supposed to look great.
• 1:20:07
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's supposed to be fun.
• 1:20:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:20:08
  SPEAKER_04: And we're going to get pissed and we don't care anyway.
• 1:20:10
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 1:20:10
  SPEAKER_01: We'll come.
• 1:20:11
  SPEAKER_01: Well, me and Steve, we're going to be aunties as Mothman and Lamp.
• 1:20:14
  SPEAKER_01: Gonna come back, watch some horror films.
• 1:20:16
  SPEAKER_01: That's Halloween done.
• 1:20:17
  SPEAKER_04: Great.
• 1:20:18
  SPEAKER_01: Eat loads of sweets.
• 1:20:18
  SPEAKER_01: I've accidentally grown pumpkins as well, so we'll probably have pumpkin soup.
• 1:20:21
  SPEAKER_04: Well, you see, mine outside.
• 1:20:23
  SPEAKER_04: We squash outside.
• 1:20:23
  SPEAKER_04: Didn't know what it was.
• 1:20:24
  SPEAKER_04: It's sort of popping out of a possum.
• 1:20:25
  SPEAKER_04: I've thought that.
• 1:20:26
  SPEAKER_04: Googled it.
• 1:20:27
  SPEAKER_04: Some kind of squash.
• 1:20:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:20:28
  SPEAKER_04: I still don't know what it is.
• 1:20:29
  SPEAKER_04: I think it's a pumpkin.
• 1:20:30
  SPEAKER_01: Mine's a pumpkin.
• 1:20:31
  SPEAKER_04: It's about that big now.
• 1:20:32
  SPEAKER_04: It hasn't changed colour yet.
• 1:20:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, hasn't mine's turning orange at the moment?
• 1:20:35
  SPEAKER_04: It's starting to get a little bit of a slightly peachy hue.
• 1:20:37
  SPEAKER_04: A little bit of green.
• 1:20:38
  SPEAKER_04: I get a little bit.
• 1:20:39
  SPEAKER_04: It's got all of its ridges in it and everything.
• 1:20:41
  SPEAKER_04: It's about exciting.
• 1:20:42
  SPEAKER_04: But because it's also all leaves are falling off.
• 1:20:45
  SPEAKER_04: I get ya.
• 1:20:46
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm like, I've got no leaves to give it food to give it food for the synthesis.
• 1:20:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'm having to feed it now with the soil to keep it going.
• 1:20:51
  SPEAKER_01: Blinking at well, I accidentally grew one because I don't have any plants in the front.
• 1:20:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's literally like my gardener turns it all over.
• 1:20:57
  SPEAKER_01: So it's literally was nothing.
• 1:20:58
  SPEAKER_01: And out of nowhere, this plant came gorgeous yellow flowers.
• 1:21:01
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, The beautiful big yellow flowers.
• 1:21:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 1:21:04
  SPEAKER_01: So I was like, what is this?
• 1:21:05
  SPEAKER_01: What is growing?
• 1:21:06
  SPEAKER_01: And he was like, it's a great pumpkin.
• 1:21:07
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, excuse me.
• 1:21:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's like you're growing a great pumpkin.
• 1:21:09
  SPEAKER_01: That's what it's called.
• 1:21:10
  SPEAKER_01: Have you got leaves left on yours?
• 1:21:12
  SPEAKER_04: I haven't got leaves left.
• 1:21:13
  SPEAKER_01: I have.
• 1:21:13
  SPEAKER_01: The leaves are turning though, but I've got one solid, really good pumpkin growing.
• 1:21:17
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm quite happy.
• 1:21:18
  SPEAKER_01: I've got one pumpkin.
• 1:21:19
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah, randomly, I was actually in a rhubarb pot.
• 1:21:22
  SPEAKER_04: Isn't that funny?
• 1:21:23
  SPEAKER_04: That's not a rhubarb leaf.
• 1:21:24
  SPEAKER_04: What's that?
• 1:21:25
  SPEAKER_04: Google.
• 1:21:25
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:21:25
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, it's okay.
• 1:21:26
  SPEAKER_04: So I transplanted it and put it in its own pot.
• 1:21:28
  SPEAKER_03: And now's this big fucking massive thing.
• 1:21:30
  SPEAKER_01: Mine's got the whole garden to itself because nothing else is there.
• 1:21:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:21:33
  SPEAKER_01: Just accidentally grow a pumpkin.
• 1:21:35
  SPEAKER_01: Of everyone, I would be the one that accidentally grows one, wouldn't I?
• 1:21:37
  SPEAKER_01: Come on.
• 1:21:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:21:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm the only one in the street with a pumpkin.
• 1:21:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:21:40
  SPEAKER_01: Probably don't know how half done it.
• 1:21:41
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how half done it either.
• 1:21:43
  SPEAKER_01: It was a complete accident.
• 1:21:44
  SPEAKER_04: I don't think I've ever bought a pumpkin to like eat and all that to get the seeds.
• 1:21:47
  SPEAKER_01: See, I eat them and stuff, but butternut squash, yes.
• 1:21:50
  SPEAKER_01: But not pumpkin.
• 1:21:51
  SPEAKER_01: See, I eat pumpkin.
• 1:21:52
  SPEAKER_01: I have pumpkin soup, but I haven't planted any.
• 1:21:54
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 1:21:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's just grown.
• 1:21:56
  SPEAKER_04: Random.
• 1:21:57
  SPEAKER_04: Pumpkins, folks, randomly.
• 1:21:58
  SPEAKER_04: We'd love to see it.
• 1:21:59
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 1:22:00
  SPEAKER_04: So on that pumpkin bombshell, we're gonna go.
• 1:22:03
  SPEAKER_04: So happy Halloween, folks, if you celebrate.
• 1:22:07
  SPEAKER_04: And uh if you have mischief mice in your country, God love you.
• 1:22:11
  SPEAKER_04: Oh not Missy Night.
• 1:22:12
  SPEAKER_04: One year Jimmy has his back window in the mini smash.
• 1:22:15
  SPEAKER_04: Really?
• 1:22:17
  SPEAKER_04: So happy Halloween, folks.
• 1:22:21
  SPEAKER_01: If you binge watch it, shall I do it in a Dracula voice?
• 1:22:23
  SPEAKER_01: If you're bringing no, that'll be offensive.
• 1:22:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's just gonna get borderline offense.
• 1:22:26
  SPEAKER_01: If you're binge watching Pudsy Kettle on, we will see you in five.
• 1:22:29
  SPEAKER_01: No, yeah.
• 1:22:30
  SPEAKER_01: If not, we'll see you next week.
• 1:22:36
  SPEAKER_01: That was an awful accent.