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INTERVIEW: DeSean & Byron Jackson Talk New Documentary, Childhood & Relationship With Their Father, NFL Career, Coaching HBCU, Media Discourse Current NFL Landscape + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Hold up.
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  Speaker 2: Every day I wake up.
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  Speaker 3: Wake your ass up.
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  Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club.
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  Speaker 1: Y'all finished or y'all done?
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  Speaker 3: Morning, everybody.
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  Speaker 2: It's DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are
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  Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club. Lorna Rose is here as well. We
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  Speaker 2: got a special guest in the building. We got the
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  Speaker 2: brother Deshaun Jackson. Welcome, brother.
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  Speaker 4: What's going on, everybody? How you doing?
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  Speaker 2: And you brought your brother.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, big bro in the building.
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  Speaker 2: Byron Jackson. Welcome, fellas. How y'all feeling?
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  Speaker 3: Feeling great.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I really don't like Deshaun, you know, but...
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  Speaker 2: It's understandable. Of course, I don't like the Philadelphia Eagles.
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  Speaker 2: Then he went to another HBCU and they balling out.
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  Speaker 2: So you got two reasons not to like you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: You said you were going to bring a helmet, but
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  Speaker 2: Lawrence said that I guess Delaware State, they only have
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  Speaker 2: enough helmets for one side, so they have to change.
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  Speaker 1: From one side to the other.
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  Speaker 2: That is not it.
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  Speaker 1: Y'all always play with us.
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  Speaker 5: We always acting like Delaware ain't got nothing. No money,
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  Speaker 5: no people, no nothing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just joking. We going to homecoming this year. But
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  Speaker 2: how y'all doing, man? How's everything?
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  Speaker 6: I'm blessed, man. I'm good to be here, man. Very excited.
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  Speaker 6: Got the documentary dropping tomorrow, man. Been running on this
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  Speaker 6: promotional run for it. And 35 years in coming, man.
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  Speaker 4: We've been waiting on this moment.
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  Speaker 6: So just blessed to be here and doing some promotional
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  Speaker 6: for it.
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  Speaker 2: Now, your brother Byron taped most of the footage.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: All of it.
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  Speaker 2: All of it?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, 95% of it.
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  Speaker 2: 95%.
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  Speaker 1: Up until what wasn't yours. It all seemed like it was.
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  Speaker 3: The NFL shots.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, well, yeah, you inserted clips from, like, games. But
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  Speaker 1: other than that, it's all your footage, right? It's insane.
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  Speaker 2: 35 years.
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  Speaker 5: I don't even know how you just knew to let
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  Speaker 5: me just document every single moment.
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  Speaker 1: It's a lot of personal moments in there, too.
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  Speaker 2: Very personal moments. How did you know, watching your brother
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  Speaker 2: grow up, that he was the one and he was
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  Speaker 2: that special to document that? How did you know?
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  Speaker 7: Well, first of all, I played and I got to
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  Speaker 7: the NFL and Didn't really make it, so I took
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  Speaker 7: all that knowledge from the game, and I said, I'm
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  Speaker 7: going to give it to my little brother, and came
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  Speaker 7: back around and started filming him do everything that I
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  Speaker 7: couldn't do, and I started training him also.
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  Speaker 3: And plus, I went to college.
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  Speaker 7: I was a film major, so always knew I wanted
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  Speaker 7: to fall back on television and film after my career ended.
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  Speaker 7: And I came back, and I put Sean on, and
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  Speaker 7: I just started filming everything and training him.
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  Speaker 2: Now, in the film, you talk about your family being
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  Speaker 2: tough on you as coaching you. How difficult was that?
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  Speaker 2: Because as fathers out there listening, we always get to
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  Speaker 2: that line, am I pushing my son too much? Am
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  Speaker 2: I doing it more for me and less for him?
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  Speaker 2: But this will pay off for him in the long run.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, going back to when I was a young
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  Speaker 6: kid and now that I have kids and I'm trying
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  Speaker 6: to emphasize the same things that my dad emphasized on me,
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  Speaker 6: I would say the biggest thing is when I was young,
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  Speaker 6: I really didn't, I was just a kid playing ball,
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  Speaker 6: you know, so my dad had this plan and He
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  Speaker 6: had to project, and he was like, we got to
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  Speaker 6: do this, this, and that. We got to jump through
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  Speaker 6: these hurdles, and here you got a young kid just like, man,
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  Speaker 6: I just want to play ball and have fun. I
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  Speaker 6: want to hang out with the homies. I want to
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  Speaker 6: hang with girls. I just want to do regular things.
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  Speaker 6: As you see in the documentary, he was mad when
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  Speaker 6: I didn't do it his way. For a young kid,
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  Speaker 6: that was pressure. But I think now that I have kids,
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  Speaker 6: I wouldn't put the same pressure on my kids because
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  Speaker 6: it Like my brother, you know, that wasn't really his passion.
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  Speaker 6: And my dad was like, he wanted him to make
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  Speaker 6: it because he didn't make it. So he's like, all right,
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  Speaker 6: I'm going to get kids and I'm going to have
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  Speaker 6: my kids make it. So he was the first trial.
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  Speaker 6: It didn't really work out. And then I was the
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  Speaker 6: second one. But just going back, man, I think, you know,
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  Speaker 6: without him pushing me and being hard on me, I
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  Speaker 6: wouldn't have been in this space. So I'm glad he
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  Speaker 6: did it the way he did it. But now I'm
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  Speaker 6: a father. I'm just looking at it a little different,
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  Speaker 6: you know.
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  Speaker 2: But also, see... You made it. You well off. So
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  Speaker 2: you don't need that feeling anymore. But your dad was like, no,
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  Speaker 2: this is the family's way out. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: So it's a different way of looking at it.
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  Speaker 6: 100% it was the family way out. And I feel like,
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  Speaker 6: you know, when I had the football, I was the
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  Speaker 6: freedom that he always wanted. You know, growing up in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania,
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  Speaker 6: he had to work in a steel mill.
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  Speaker 4: And his dad really didn't allow him to play sports.
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  Speaker 6: And when he did, it was like he was going
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  Speaker 6: against the grain because he wanted to go run track,
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  Speaker 6: play baseball, play basketball.
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  Speaker 4: And his pops was like, man, we out.
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  Speaker 6: Real butt ass, you better get to the steel mill
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  Speaker 6: and go work because that's that money we need. So
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  Speaker 6: for me, I feel like every time I was playing
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  Speaker 6: sports and I played at a high level, that was
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  Speaker 6: the freedom that my dad didn't have. And like you said,
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  Speaker 6: I was our way out. It wouldn't have been no
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  Speaker 6: other way out, sports or no other way.
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  Speaker 5: The documentary does a really good job of showing how
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  Speaker 5: your lives changed as like your career changed from like
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  Speaker 5: high school to then college. Just talk for a second
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  Speaker 5: about you realizing in the doc, because the whole documentary,
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  Speaker 5: you just so calm through everything. When you're upset, you're upset,
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  Speaker 5: but there's never a moment where you were like, oh
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  Speaker 5: my God, you just walk through it. You get up,
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  Speaker 5: you go to practice. What was it like as you
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  Speaker 5: were watching things change around you and all you were
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  Speaker 5: doing were just what you love to do, go play football?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, man. It took a lot of maturity.
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  Speaker 6: I think, you know, the biggest thing I would say
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  Speaker 6: is from an early standpoint, I really didn't know the
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  Speaker 6: ins and outs of, like, you know, what I was
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  Speaker 6: doing wrong, you know, because at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 6: I had to go through it. I tell people all
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  Speaker 6: the time, like, you know, in order to succeed, you
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  Speaker 6: got to go through failure, you know. So it was
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  Speaker 6: a lot of failures. It was a lot of doubt that,
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  Speaker 6: you know, people just was like, man, he too small.
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  Speaker 6: He ain't going to be able to make it in
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  Speaker 6: the NFL. And I feel like my parents and my
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  Speaker 6: support staff surrounded the right people around me that we
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  Speaker 6: didn't really care what the outside noise was. outside noise
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  Speaker 6: said and you know every step of the way it
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  Speaker 6: was like we was proving people wrong oh you said
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  Speaker 6: we can't do this that's one thing we checking off
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  Speaker 6: you can't do this that's another thing checking off so
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  Speaker 6: it's just great to have that much raw footage you
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  Speaker 6: know my brother that you know him and you know
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  Speaker 6: Travis Clark they filmed and like every step of the
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  Speaker 6: way I was able to go back and critique myself
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  Speaker 6: on workouts or events and that's how we learned you
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  Speaker 6: know because back then it wasn't social media we didn't
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  Speaker 6: have Instagram it was none of that stuff so I
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  Speaker 6: just feel like it prepared me for the future where
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  Speaker 6: I'm at.
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  Speaker 5: Today There was two parts of the doc, not to
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  Speaker 5: give too much away, but there was one, there's two
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  Speaker 5: parts where I'm like your world changed because y'all are
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  Speaker 5: this really black, wholesome family, but like your neighborhood changes. So,
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  Speaker 5: you know, there's neighbors y'all got deal with that are
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  Speaker 5: a lot different than y'all. You were having a conversation
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  Speaker 5: about the use of the N word and how you
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  Speaker 5: do it and when you do it and you playing around.
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  Speaker 5: But as I'm watching it, I'm like, Oh no, this
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  Speaker 5: is him being taught. Like you still a young black boy,
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  Speaker 5: no matter if you're playing football or not.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I didn't really have no filter. I think
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  Speaker 6: that's something that the world's going to be able to see, too. Like,
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  Speaker 6: I was cocky as a little boy because I just
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  Speaker 6: knew what I wanted. Like, I was a little kid
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  Speaker 6: that just grew up and was just like, man, you
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  Speaker 6: know what? I want to make it to the NFL. Like,
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  Speaker 6: I saw my brother make it, and he didn't quite
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  Speaker 6: make it. So I used to always tell him, like, man,
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  Speaker 6: you made it, but I'm going to make it. I'm
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  Speaker 6: going to be way bigger and better than you ever was.
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  Speaker 6: So I feel like a lot of, you know, kids
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  Speaker 6: or people growing up in society, I feel like they
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  Speaker 6: don't think it's possible to make it because they don't.
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  Speaker 6: They don't know anybody. They can't touch and rub elbows
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  Speaker 6: with somebody that's made it. And it's almost like a
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  Speaker 6: facade to be like, oh, it's impossible to make it.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 6: But if you really envision it, you dream it, you
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  Speaker 6: stay dedicated, and you work at anything you want, it's possible.
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  Speaker 6: So I would say be authentic to yourself. But at
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  Speaker 6: the end of the day, you got to know how
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  Speaker 6: to play the role. Because at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 6: as the documentary went on, when it's time for me
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  Speaker 6: to get drafted, I feel like my head coach at
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  Speaker 6: the time, that was my college head coach, he said
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  Speaker 6: some things to Andy Reid and to the Philadelphia Eagles that, hurt.
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  Speaker 4: My draft status, you know what I'm saying? So you'll
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  Speaker 4: see that in the documentary as well, too.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to ask about that. You know, even
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  Speaker 2: before that, you know, they said that when you left
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  Speaker 2: football that your father didn't talk to you for two years.
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  Speaker 2: How was that feeling? And, you know, break that down
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  Speaker 2: of why. Because at the end of the day, it's
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  Speaker 2: your life, your career.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, no, for sure. It was definitely hurtful. But just think,
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  Speaker 7: I went to high school back in D.C., Landover, Maryland.
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  Speaker 7: And my dad brought me 3,000 miles away to L.A.
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  Speaker 7: to get to the NFL. Literally, he brought me to Hollywood.
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  Speaker 7: He was living up in the Hollywood Hills. And I
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  Speaker 7: fell in love with filmmaking, television. It was nothing but
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  Speaker 7: producers and writers that lived around us.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, all right.
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  Speaker 7: I'm going to satisfy my dad's desires and play football
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  Speaker 7: and get a scholarship and study.
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  Speaker 3: Television and film. So that happened.
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  Speaker 7: I got a scholarship to San Jose State, studied television
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  Speaker 7: and film, signed as a Kansas City Chiefs as a
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  Speaker 7: free agent, got drafted.
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  Speaker 3: Made it to the.
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  Speaker 7: Developmental squad and got released. Came back again, gave it
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  Speaker 7: another try, got released again. So came back to L.A.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, you know what? I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: get a job.
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  Speaker 7: I'm going to go pound the pavement, get some production jobs,
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  Speaker 7: start working in television. And my dad was like, what
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  Speaker 7: are you doing? I'm like, I'm trying to get a job.
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  Speaker 7: He's like, I'm sending these tapes to this team, that team.
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  Speaker 7: And he was doing it like a madman. And I
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  Speaker 7: was like, Dad, I don't really care about football no more.
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  Speaker 3: And he's like, what? this is all this stuff I
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  Speaker 3: brought you to L.A.? And he just went off on me.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to give up the documentary.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.
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  Speaker 3: A gun was involved.
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  Speaker 2: Jesus.
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  Speaker 1: Mind you, all this is on, like, you see this.
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  Speaker 2: But this wasn't a kid. He was an adult at
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  Speaker 2: this time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm.
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  Speaker 5: Saying the fact that you see all of this stuff
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  Speaker 5: in real time, like, y'all were recording all of this stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But what did y'all think of your dad after that?
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  Speaker 2: Now looking at these videos and revisiting, I know your
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  Speaker 2: dad's not here, God rest his dead, but... How does that,
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  Speaker 2: what were those feelings like rewatching it?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I would say he was a genius, man. I know
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  Speaker 4: we see these.
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  Speaker 6: LeVar Balls and all these other fathers, it's very influential.
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  Speaker 4: I think my dad was ahead of his time.
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  Speaker 6: I think he was like, if he was still living,
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  Speaker 6: you would have for sure been hearing about his social media,
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  Speaker 6: would have had clips, he was going.
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  Speaker 4: But it's crazy, you know what I'm saying? Now all this,
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  Speaker 4: after all these years, it's about to come out. He
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  Speaker 4: was a loose cannon, man. He did not bite his tongue.
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  Speaker 7: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 4: And it was F the world.
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  Speaker 6: Like if anybody was going at his kids, man, it
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  Speaker 6: was like, he wasn't going for it.
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  Speaker 4: And he protected us.
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  Speaker 6: So, I mean, it's an armor that, you know, instilled
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  Speaker 6: in us like toughness and like regards to what people
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  Speaker 6: say about you, like anything's possible. So for me, I
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  Speaker 6: know for me personally, I don't know about for mine,
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  Speaker 6: but for me personally, it just made me feel like
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  Speaker 6: above everything. Like, man, you got somebody to believe in you,
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  Speaker 6: that knows regards to what anybody else thinks of you,
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  Speaker 6: that you that God, you know what I'm saying? So
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  Speaker 6: it helped me through every step of the way. Cause
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  Speaker 6: when you talk about playing ball, you got to compete
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  Speaker 6: at the highest level. You got the best of the
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  Speaker 6: best and like every step of the way, I didn't
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  Speaker 6: care who you was. I'm going to compete like I'm
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  Speaker 6: the best.
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  Speaker 5: But at one point in the doc, you guys kind
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  Speaker 5: of go into how it was, it wasn't even difficult
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  Speaker 5: for you, but they were giving you some pressure because
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  Speaker 5: of your dad.
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  Speaker 1: Like, andy reed there was a phone call that was
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  Speaker 1: made to.
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  Speaker 5: You yeah how do y'all navigate because you don't go
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  Speaker 5: into much of it after that how awkward was that
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  Speaker 5: for y'all to navigate because your dad was such a
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  Speaker 5: big part of your career your training group your support
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  Speaker 5: group but now you're working with you know you're just
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  Speaker 5: drafted yeah i mean.
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  Speaker 6: You I tell young kids now, because I'm in a
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  Speaker 6: head coaching role, I think you just got to be
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  Speaker 6: cautious and be careful what you put out, the image
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  Speaker 6: you portray, because that's the reality of the perception. With
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  Speaker 6: social media now, you could be portraying it a certain
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  Speaker 6: way that really might not even be the way you are.
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  Speaker 6: And at the end of the day, that's the perception
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  Speaker 6: of the world. So I was posting pictures of my
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  Speaker 6: boys at the time. A guy released from jail, he
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  Speaker 6: beat a murder case. And me, this is my boy
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  Speaker 6: I grew up with. I'm just taking a picture, put
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  Speaker 6: it on Instagram. hanging out we in the club we
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  Speaker 6: doing certain things and it's like the outside world doesn't
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  Speaker 6: understand that because they wasn't raised like that they didn't
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  Speaker 6: grow up you know from that era so for me
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  Speaker 6: i just say man just be careful what you put
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  Speaker 6: out because at the end of the day once you
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  Speaker 6: post it and it's out there now that's that's for
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  Speaker 6: the world to kind of think of you being a
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  Speaker 6: gangster a hoodlum or you know doing certain things or
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  Speaker 6: being around killer whatever the case may be but like
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  Speaker 6: for me i didn't I didn't turn my back on
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  Speaker 6: the hood.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 6: Like, I feel like a lot of people made it
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  Speaker 6: and they turned it back. And at the end of
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  Speaker 6: the day, I just feel like that's why I was
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  Speaker 6: able to be blessed because I got a big heart
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  Speaker 6: and I tried to bring everybody along. Now, I could
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  Speaker 6: be a gift and a curse because some of that
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  Speaker 6: stuff obviously, you know, caught up with me.
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  Speaker 4: And that was the reason why I think Philadelphia let
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  Speaker 4: me go.
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  Speaker 6: But at the end of the day, like, I feel
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  Speaker 6: like I lived my life and I did it my
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  Speaker 6: way and I had success doing it.
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  Speaker 4: So, you know, here we are.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to ask that. Would you change that
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  Speaker 2: at all? Because the first time is, of course, we
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: all grow up in areas where everybody's not a doctor.
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: Everybody's not an attorney. Everybody's not... We have friends that
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: do some foul-ish, right? But they're still your friends, regardless.
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  Speaker 2: As long as they don't do it with you while
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  Speaker 2: you're there. But that's a reflection to some on that.
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  Speaker 2: Do you regret that at all?
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  Speaker 4: Good question. I try not to live with regrets, but
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  Speaker 4: at the end of the day, to be... Because you're a.
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  Speaker 2: Superstar at the time.
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  Speaker 4: For sure. To be a smart individual... Um, and looking back.
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  Speaker 6: At it, like I would, like I said, it was,
• 12:03
  Speaker 6: I think it was just more of the posting and
• 12:05
  Speaker 6: putting that, cause around that time, social media was like
• 12:07
  Speaker 6: new and you know, it was, you got Facebook, you know, uh, Twitter, MySpace, Twitter,
• 12:13
  Speaker 6: all that stuff. So I just recall like, just like, man,
• 12:16
  Speaker 6: like the older I got, I was like, man, I
• 12:18
  Speaker 6: probably shouldn't have let them into my world. Now it's
• 12:20
  Speaker 6: nothing wrong with hanging out and being in those areas,
• 12:22
  Speaker 6: but like, just don't post it.
• 12:23
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?
• 12:24
  Speaker 6: Cause they, if you don't post it, then you don't
• 12:25
  Speaker 6: give them nothing.
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: Did you lose anything from any of that?
• 12:27
  Speaker 4: Did I lose?
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: Lose anything.
• 12:29
  Speaker 4: Millions.
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: Millions.
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: Did the Eagles ever say to you, like, this is why.
• 12:34
  Speaker 4: We let you go?
• 12:35
  Speaker 6: So that's the issue, really, that I had during that time.
• 12:37
  Speaker 6: And I really don't like shedding light on that coach.
• 12:40
  Speaker 6: Everybody knows who he is. But, like, for me, I
• 12:42
  Speaker 6: just felt like they could have just came clean. You know, like,
• 12:45
  Speaker 6: we just want to go in a different direction. You
• 12:46
  Speaker 6: don't fit the plans. You're not in the future. But
• 12:49
  Speaker 6: they dug up an old story and just made it
• 12:51
  Speaker 6: seem like it was gang ties and gang related.
• 12:52
  Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, like, It's.
• 12:54
  Speaker 6: Not hard to find out that I was born and
• 12:56
  Speaker 6: raised in South Central Crenshaw District.
• 12:57
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?
• 12:58
  Speaker 6: So I feel like I didn't respect it because they
• 13:00
  Speaker 6: just didn't come clean and said, you know, we want
• 13:02
  Speaker 6: to move in a different direction.
• 13:03
  Speaker 4: They started, like, I ain't never been arrested. I am
• 13:05
  Speaker 4: not a felon, nothing.
• 13:06
  Speaker 6: And it's like, you paint this picture that I'm this
• 13:08
  Speaker 6: hoodlum and I'm this gang member. And I remember it
• 13:12
  Speaker 6: was 2013, I did an interview with Stephen A. Smith,
• 13:15
  Speaker 6: and I was getting questioned about, like, just my ties
• 13:17
  Speaker 6: and everything. And it was like, I almost got to, like, deflect.
• 13:20
  Speaker 6: deflect me being from where I'm from just to go
• 13:22
  Speaker 6: get another job. So I feel like to a extent,
• 13:24
  Speaker 6: it was like, man, I couldn't really be authentic to myself.
• 13:27
  Speaker 6: And it hurted me along my career, for sure.
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: I was going to ask, too, when it came to
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: being a coach, right? You're a coach now at Delaware State.
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: What's more difficult, being in the NFL, training in the NFL,
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: or being a coach where you're training the next generation
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: of NFL players?
• 13:41
  Speaker 4: Good question.
• 13:42
  Speaker 6: I think they're both two different challenges.
• 13:44
  Speaker 4: I think it's very similar.
• 13:46
  Speaker 6: Being in the NFL, you got to watch what you do,
• 13:49
  Speaker 6: watch what you say. You got to obtain this image.
• 13:52
  Speaker 6: You got to be clean cut. At any given time,
• 13:55
  Speaker 6: you could be fined or it could say a contract
• 13:57
  Speaker 6: detrimental and then take your guarantee. That was a challenge
• 14:01
  Speaker 6: as well too, but I think being a head coach
• 14:03
  Speaker 6: is a different challenge because you have the grip of
• 14:07
  Speaker 6: your hands in these young men's futures. For me, I
• 14:10
  Speaker 6: think the biggest thing I can say is I've done
• 14:12
  Speaker 6: it and I've been to where a lot of these
• 14:14
  Speaker 6: young guys want to go. For me, it's like Why
• 14:16
  Speaker 6: wouldn't you want to listen to a Deshaun Jackson? Why
• 14:18
  Speaker 6: wouldn't you want to listen to a Michael Vick or
• 14:19
  Speaker 6: Deion Sanders that has been proven and the proof is
• 14:22
  Speaker 6: in the pudding? But it is a challenge because this
• 14:24
  Speaker 6: new era of young kids, they're just very entitled. They
• 14:29
  Speaker 6: feel like they know it all, and it's a daily challenge.
• 14:31
  Speaker 6: But the biggest thing I would say is a lot
• 14:32
  Speaker 6: of information that I have, man, I'm just trying to
• 14:34
  Speaker 6: give them the game and just inspire them and just
• 14:36
  Speaker 6: motivate them because it's hard out here for young black men.
• 14:39
  Speaker 6: Being at HBCU alone, Delaware State, the first colored school for,
• 14:43
  Speaker 6: You know, black students, there's a lot of history there.
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? I know when she first
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: said Delaware State, you kind of moved past that. But,
• 14:49
  Speaker 4: you know, we got pride. We got pride at Delaware State.
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: I love all the HBCUs, and I support them all.
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: I go back and forth all the time. I wear
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: the Mike Vick jersey, even though he's on the other
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: side of the band. You know, I went to Hampton.
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: I've been asking for your jersey and the helmet.
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: For, like, a long time.
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: I'm going to make sure. Please, give me the Delaware State.
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: Put your number and your name on the back, because
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: I would love to wear it, because I support HBCUs.
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: Because I went there, and I seen... The fact that
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: they didn't get the camera time, they didn't get the
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: TV time, they didn't get the equipment, they didn't get
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: the rehab stuff. So if we can shine more light
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: on it and get more and more people investing in
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: the HBCUs, I'm with it.
• 15:21
  Speaker 5: I feel like culturally HBCUs are the trendy thing now,
• 15:24
  Speaker 5: and it was always like that. And I also feel
• 15:26
  Speaker 5: like with Del State, when you signed on to be
• 15:28
  Speaker 5: the coach, I feel like that was the first time
• 15:30
  Speaker 5: where I really saw us be a part of this
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: culture conversation and an entertainment and pop culture level. And
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: that was a big deal for the school and a
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: big deal for Delaware, honestly. I feel like that adds
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: a lot more pressure onto the pressure you probably already
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: feel though.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: Cause everybody's like, well, what is he going to do?
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: Is he going to resign?
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: Is he?
• 15:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: So it's everlasting. I mean, my first year I went
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: eight and four.
• 15:51
  Speaker 6: I know when I came last time, we didn't have
• 15:53
  Speaker 6: any games yet, but just talking about the buildup and
• 15:56
  Speaker 6: me getting the opportunity to coach at Delaware state and
• 15:58
  Speaker 6: coming into a scenario where they was, they won two
• 16:01
  Speaker 6: games in the past two years and lost 22 games.
• 16:03
  Speaker 6: And then my first year we go eight and four
• 16:05
  Speaker 6: and we lose in.
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: The championship game. But, I mean, this year we got
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: four games already under our belt.
• 16:09
  Speaker 6: We 2-2. You know, hopefully we can go win that
• 16:12
  Speaker 6: championship this year. But I think it's a constant battle,
• 16:15
  Speaker 6: you know, and it is hard. Being at HBCU, the resources,
• 16:18
  Speaker 6: you know, we're up against a lot of schools that
• 16:21
  Speaker 6: don't have to deal with the things we have to
• 16:22
  Speaker 6: deal with.
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: So it ain't no excuses. We're going to do the
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: best we can. But, you know, I can't predict that
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: if I'm going to be here or I'm not. Like,
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying?
• 16:29
  Speaker 6: If an opportunity comes to present it, then, you know,
• 16:31
  Speaker 6: I'm going to have to make that decision at that time.
• 16:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 16:33
  Speaker 6: You know, whatever it is, I said, like, as long
• 16:35
  Speaker 6: as Delaware State is in better condition than before I
• 16:38
  Speaker 6: came to when I leave.
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: You know, I've done something good.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: What's the most difficult thing you have to deal with
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: with coaching at HBCU?
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: Man, what isn't? I think, I mean, it's the funding.
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: I think it's the resources, the funding, not really being
• 16:56
  Speaker 6: able to have, you know, a huge NIL team. collective
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: deal where a lot of these kids make their decisions
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: on how much money a school can provide for them.
• 17:04
  Speaker 6: So I think that's a challenge. I mean, you know,
• 17:06
  Speaker 6: housing is another challenge. You know, they just sold a
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: big portion of, you know, housing that we have. So
• 17:11
  Speaker 6: I think we're in a transition, a transitional phase where,
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: you know, we're trying to implement a lot of things
• 17:17
  Speaker 6: to help the future. But just right now, it's just tough. And,
• 17:20
  Speaker 6: you know, I just feel like I got a head down,
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: chin up mentality, and.
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: We just got to work. And, you know, hopefully the
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: success brings the culture change.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 17:28
  Speaker 7: By the way, I've been filming him since he got
• 17:30
  Speaker 7: the coaching job at Delaware State, so that's going to
• 17:32
  Speaker 7: be the next one.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: I was looking for the footage. I'm like, I don't see.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: This in there yet.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: I was going to ask, did this documentary bring you
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: two closer?
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think we always had a
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: close relationship. You know what I mean?
• 17:47
  Speaker 7: I don't think the documentary brought us any closer. I'm
• 17:50
  Speaker 7: a true documentarian. I film everything. It's like the blessing
• 17:53
  Speaker 7: and the curse. It's like everywhere, should I bring my
• 17:55
  Speaker 7: camera or should.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: I leave it at home?
• 17:56
  Speaker 7: But I just see the uniqueness in life and I
• 17:59
  Speaker 7: want to capture it. And going back to, you know,
• 18:02
  Speaker 7: me and my dad's, you know, fallout and stuff like that,
• 18:05
  Speaker 7: being a documentarian, I.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: Had the privilege to look back on footage and I.
• 18:09
  Speaker 7: Can analyze, you know, when Deshaun was younger, we was
• 18:12
  Speaker 7: analyzing him on a field, but I'll go back and
• 18:14
  Speaker 7: I analyze myself.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: I'm like, what could I do better as a person?
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: And that flare up.
• 18:19
  Speaker 7: With my dad, I realized sometimes when you heat it,
• 18:22
  Speaker 7: sometimes it ain't necessary to respond and, that response could have,
• 18:27
  Speaker 7: I could have lost my life, you know?
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: How many times have y'all fought over it? Like your
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: bro turned the camera off, your bro turned, how many times.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: Has that happened?
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: A lot, I'll be telling you.
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: And it's crazy, just like maybe two or three weeks ago,
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: he told me, man, if you ever want me to
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: stop filming, just do this. And I'm like, bro, you
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: wait 35 years. I used to wake up with a
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: camera on my face. I ain't even brush my teeth,
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: wash my face. I'm like, bro, get this damn camera
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: on my face. But to answer your question, so I
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: would say like, it brought not me and him closer together,
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: but I think it brought our family closer together because
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: it was, a lot of different pieces and parts of
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: our family that, you know, people wasn't talking, people wasn't
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: getting along and like everybody came together for the benefit of,
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: to watch me and support me as far as the
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: football player in my sport. So, you know, I think
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: just to have a family oriented film that the world
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: is able to see.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: You seen Hoop Dreams? Y'all seen Hoop Dreams?
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: So Hoop Dreams was a documentary that I feel like
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: gets a lot of notoriety and I think the difference
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: is on, you know, the Go Deep documentary is we
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: got a lot of raw footage. Like since I've been six,
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: seven years old and, you still got this cocky little
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: boy that like when I was young, I used to
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: like talk, yeah, I'm gonna make it.
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do that.
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: And it's like every step of the way, like it
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: just shows that like, man, what I said, it meant
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: something because look at me now.
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: What about the decision to add in the part of
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: the documentary where your dad like gets sick and kind
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: of like, you know, y'all lives change because he passes away.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of very like moments.
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: I don't know if I could have added, I was
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: watching it like, like dang near crying with y'all. What
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: about the decision to add that stuff in?
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah, literally that was probably the hardest time in this documentary,
• 19:56
  Speaker 7: filming him in the hospital and how he just dwindled
• 19:59
  Speaker 7: so fast. It was like sometimes I was like, man,
• 20:01
  Speaker 7: I don't want to film this. But my dad was
• 20:04
  Speaker 7: so supportive.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: I would go in the hospital. He's like, where's your camera?
• 20:07
  Speaker 7: And so I would run back to the car and
• 20:08
  Speaker 7: get it because he was like, man, we've been working
• 20:10
  Speaker 7: on this.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: Don't stop now. So, yeah, that was hard.
• 20:13
  Speaker 7: It was hard filming that. And I look back on
• 20:15
  Speaker 7: that like, man, how did I even get through it?
• 20:18
  Speaker 7: And the camera helped me get through it. Just like
• 20:20
  Speaker 7: the camera brought me and my dad back together after
• 20:22
  Speaker 7: we stopped speaking. It was kind of like a shield.
• 20:24
  Speaker 7: So I didn't have to deal with him pulling a
• 20:27
  Speaker 7: gun on me. I had to deal with that. The
• 20:28
  Speaker 7: camera kind of was my way back in. And throughout
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: him getting sick, the camera kind of helped me deal
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: with a lot of emotions.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: I was going to ask, how difficult was it for you?
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Because he passed away after your first year. So he
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: was sick during your first year. How difficult was going
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: to games and knowing that the reason that you're here
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: is because your dad pushed you so hard?
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah, man, my dad, you know, my first year being
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: in Philadelphia, I had a big old crib out in
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: New Jersey, Morristown. And I just remember him coming out there.
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: And it was a point in time where, like, he
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: wasn't waking up. He was just sleeping all day. Like,
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: he wouldn't get up and he wouldn't eat. And I'm like, man,
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: what's up? I was like, you know, he was a diabetic,
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: so he used to just blame it on his diabetes.
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: And it was like, a couple weeks where it was consistent.
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: I was like, man, you got to go back home
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: and get checked up. He's like, I'm going to get
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: checked up when I go back home and go see
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: my doctor. I remember towards the end of the season,
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: we were actually playing the Giants at the time. It
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: was the playoff thing. It was the second round of playoffs.
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: It was his first time he's ever been in a
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: hospital all his years. I didn't know about it until
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: after the game. They waited to tell me that it
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: was cancer until we lost in the NFC Championship to
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: the Arizona Cardinals. I remember coming back home or right
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: after that game, I got, I was talking to him
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: on the phone, and he had told me, and, like,
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: I could just remember, like, breaking down, and when I
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: came back, like, I could just see, like, he deteriorated, like,
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: he lost weight, his eyes was real yellow, and, you know,
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: it was, like, stage three of pancreatic cancer, so for me, man,
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: I felt like I lost my backbone, you know, because
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: that whole step of the way, you know, having my
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: dad being, you know, that voice to say, man, like,
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: you tripping, get in line, you know what I'm saying, like,
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: my dad was very inspirational, like.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: He was fluent, man, and he didn't let me slip.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: So to lose that after all those years in my
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: first year, it was definitely hard. I was lost for
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: a few years after that, and I feel like you're
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: never really going to replace that relationship we have.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: I was watching this conversation. I was telling y'all about this.
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: LeVar Ball was having this podcast that they do where
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: it's all the dads in sports, and it's a bunch
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: of different sports dads or whatever. And they were talking
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: about how the dad, like the black father in an
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: athlete's life. And if you're close with your son, you're
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: coaching them through. And then they get to a point
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: where the teams try to separate you guys. The media
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: tries to separate you guys. But life kind of keeps
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: you guys close. That is like the consistent theme throughout
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: this documentary. And it's beautiful to watch. As I'm learning
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: kind of how that happens, I didn't know it was
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: such a real thing until I saw the documentary with
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: you and that phone call.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: And I was like, wow.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah. You know, it's something about a.
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: Very influential father, especially a black man where, you know,
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: he's supporting a kid and, you know, he wants the
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: best for you. I think it comes off as threatening,
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: you know, and when you go along and you got
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: coaches and you have a dad that's, like, directing you
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: to where you need to go and what you need
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: to do, what you need to eat, what.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: Time you need to work out.
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: Like, that's threatening to a coach when you're under the–
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: how can I say when you're under authority of a coach,
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: when you're in college or in the NFL. So I
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: think for my dad, he knew everything about football. Like,
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: you know, he was, he knew scouts, he knew NFL guys.
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: So like he was ahead of his game. Like he,
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: they told me things like even my brother, they used
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: to teach me things like as a high school kid
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: that guys wasn't getting until they got to the NFL.
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: So I felt like just the, the knowledge of really
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: knowing a lot of my coaches took threatened to that.
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: And you know, it was just like, they didn't really
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: want him to be that involved because they felt like
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: he was giving me game.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: That they wanted to give me, if that makes sense.
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying? So it was one of
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: them entitlements where a coach was like, nah, that's my job.
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: And my dad was like, no, I know what the
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: ins and outs of this is. I'm going to give
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: him the game. I ain't going to wait for y'all
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: to give him the game or tell him what he
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: should do or what not to do. So I just
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: think it's one of those things where they just don't
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: want that authority.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: From their father.
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: Y'all did a really good job of telling and showing
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: him as the backbone of the journey.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Good, bad, and different. Y'all did a really good job
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: with that.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: Thank y'all.
• 24:21
  Speaker 7: I feel proud about this documentary that I got to
• 24:24
  Speaker 7: share my dad's story and the fact that there is
• 24:28
  Speaker 7: a lot of absent fathers in kids' lives.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: And the fact that my dad was.
• 24:31
  Speaker 7: There the whole step of the way for Deshaun and,
• 24:35
  Speaker 7: you know, he got crucified for being there. And he
• 24:39
  Speaker 7: used to say all the time, man, there's absent fathers
• 24:42
  Speaker 7: and I'm here and I'm getting crucified for it. So,
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: I'm proud this documentary shows his whole story, and he
• 24:47
  Speaker 7: got to, you know, he didn't get to see it,
• 24:50
  Speaker 7: but I feel like he is watching it, and he's
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: probably proud that it finally got done and the world
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: gets to.
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  Speaker 3: Know Bill Jackson.
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  Speaker 2: Now, where can they watch this documentary?
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  Speaker 3: Amazon Prime on this Thursday night on the 24th.
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  Speaker 2: This Thursday night.
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  Speaker 4: Thursday night football, yeah. After Thursday night football.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, so make sure you watch it. I do
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  Speaker 2: have two other questions. I know you got to go.
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  Speaker 2: Who do you see as winning the ticket this year?
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  Speaker 4: Come on, man. It's like the Giants.
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  Speaker 1: I ain't asking the.
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  Speaker 6: Giants, man.
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  Speaker 2: We ain't got our quarterback. I'm just asking who you
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: think going to take it.
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  Speaker 6: Honestly, this year, man, I want to see Lamar Jackson
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: get in one, man. You know, I already feel like
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: this is year. Derrick Henry's playing out his world right now, too.
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: So I want Lamar Jackson to get in the ring, man,
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: so that I can get off my boy back a
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: little bit.
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  Speaker 2: And last question I do have. I don't know if
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: you have another one. But they were saying that, you know,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: with you in Delaware State, you changed the locker room
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: in Delaware State. You made it more of a tougher sport.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Do you think football's getting soft?
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: I mean, football is played with helmets and shoulder pads on.
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: So I feel like, you know, the rules and they
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: changing how hard you can hit or what type of hits,
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: you know, the physicality of it. But at the end
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: of the day, man, yes, it's not a soft sport. Like,
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: you know, if you want to go play a sport that's,
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: you know, not physical, then it's a lot of sports
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: you can find.
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  Speaker 4: But I.
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  Speaker 6: Don't want to say it's getting soft because at the
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: end of the day, then I'm going to fall in
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: with what they're trying to make it.
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: So, no, man, it's still some hard-nosed, tough teams. It's
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: still out there, you know. Mm-hmm.
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: When they come at you, though, with like, because, I mean,
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: I don't know a lot about football. I know you
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: get hit. I know you run.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: I know you, the goal.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: I know you get hit. I know you run.
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: I mean, because obviously football is a contact sport, so
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: it's a rough sport is what I'm saying.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: When you score, you be like, home run.
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  Speaker 4: Shut up.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: No.
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: I'm saying I know it's tough, but like, you know,
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: when they talk about like the locker room being tough,
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: like I remember there was the lawsuit that came out, right,
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: from the student that said that there was like a
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: fight in the locker room, and it was because of
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: the mentality in the locker room. Yeah. What is a
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: normal locker room mentality versus what they were trying to
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: point to in this lawsuit?
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: I don't know, man.
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: Every loss, I mean, every, not loss, every team I've
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: been a part of obviously has been tough. You know,
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: you have physical, you know, personalities. For me, it's just like,
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: that's the type of.
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  Speaker 4: Football I want. That's the type of football team I want.
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: Like, you know, we play football every time we get
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: an opportunity to go on the field, it's like war,
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying? Because the other team's in
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: a battle and, you know, whoever's going to be the toughest.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: Is going to win that battle.
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: So for me, it's like, Yeah, I'm not doing nothing wrong,
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: but making sure that my team is physical and we're
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: going to be tough and we're going to be.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: The hardest working.
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: And at the end of the day, that's what's going
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: to bring our success. So I really don't get too
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: caught up in any of that stuff because at the
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: end of the day, I know I have a good
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: heart and I'm just pushing young man to be better
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: in life.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: There you have it.
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  Speaker 2: We appreciate you for joining us, brothers. Make sure you
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: check it out. Amazon Prime. Prime video after Thursday Night Football. Byron,
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Deshaun Jackson, thank you. And keep documenting, brother.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: And please bring a helmet for Envy.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: I want to wear a jersey. I want a helmet
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: to put up here.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: First of all, y'all got long-sleeve jerseys? Because his arms
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: is a little.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: I'm doing my push-ups.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Leave me alone.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Deshaun Jackson, Byron, thank you for joining us.
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  Speaker 3: It's The Breakfast Club.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning.