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Talks to the brilliant Frazer Gregory about his choice of The Ambassadors of Death (5/7) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  I'm so drunk. Welcome back to a hamster with a
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  blunt penknife the Doctor Who commentary podcast.
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  Now, anybody might think that five episodes.
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  Yeah, five episodes into a doctor who story that two fine
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  gentlemen would be flagging but not this pair.
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  I have here today with the Glorious.
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  Fraser Gregory say hello Frasier.
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  Hello Frasier. Now Fraser we should point out
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  that there has been a small break between us The last
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  episode and this how long has it been?
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  It's been a couple of weeks and I have thoughts been stewing in
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  your mind about the ambassador's of deaths in the Sin 1 or 2, 1
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  or 2. But I think mostly it's going to
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  be a case of crank. Think have I said this already?
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  You know what every time I split these things up when I did
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  Darlings master plan R square R said the same things about 16
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  times you know throw that commentary.
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  Well I know I'll say the same thing about 16 times in this
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  one. Well we've got it.
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  Yeah, I know you'll say that a lot but honestly, no bigger
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  sensor in my life than you. I'm telling you you are new to
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  me. But she said that a few times.
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  Yeah, I know. So I'm going to, I'm going to
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  start with a question for you drool.
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  I like fighting. What's happened in this story so
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  far? What?
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  Oh, fuck off in abbas's death. Are you kidding me?
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  It's such a complicated story. Okay, so there, okay, so there's
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  Space shuttles have come together at the beginning.
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  One was out of contact for a little while and Man Fan
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  luncheons went inside and screaming his head off at
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  something. Coming at him out of the other
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  space shuttle. Then they managed to regain
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  contact with the shuttle. Bring it down to earth secret
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  government forces. Very X-Files are then attempting
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  to steal the shuttle for unknown reasons it.
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  That's true. Inspires that they are three
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  Ambassador. Oh no, we don't know yet.
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  There are three creepy space-suited people that have
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  come a been taken from the shuttle are now being held in
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  captivity by superbomb villain Reagan fabulous.
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  Lesure was kidnapped. Got Away was kidnapped again.
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  So we were obviously killing a bit of time there.
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  Can a fabulous Daring Do stunts over a we're in an amazing white
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  hat with to play music and Why did we end it?
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  Oh, and the doctor is getting suspicious about government
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  activities that are occurring. So he's doing a bit
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  investigation in some quinlan's office and an ambassador comes
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  into the room and starts to come towards him.
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  You watch? Yes, yes.
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  Thank you so much. Where we left off.
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  Last time was Sir, James Quinlan, who is, who was behind
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  the first capture of the earliest of the earnings are
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  being captured and then captured by someone else.
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  So, he was behind the first capture, and he has now been
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  murdered by the ambassador's who have done that wonderful,
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  Michael Ferguson thing of walking.
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  Head towards the camera with a low setting sun behind them.
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  They've went into his office, Zapped him under the are now
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  about to zap Doctor Who I've got a question for you, then before
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  we go one. Do you think?
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  Because I think there's something to this, you know.
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  Do you think there is something about monsters that are slow,
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  but unrelenting because I think it works really well here.
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  Here. Like, you know, these bastards
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  are going to do some damage but they're in a hurry.
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  Are they warm? Air is the mummies in pyramids
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  of Mars? The robots and robots are deaf?
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  Yep. Yeah.
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  The sort of the ice Wario's the rock songs as well.
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  You know, very again, Michael Ferguson bit of a thing, isn't
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  it? But yeah, that that whole idea
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  of it's like the Cybermen as well.
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  That's one of the reasons I always preferred the Cybermen to
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  the Daleks is because the Cybermen just keep coming and
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  Anton Coleman, you know, the Daleks commit, certain shout,
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  and shout and being shouted, you entered your stop.
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  Them was the Cybermen. Just just kind of keep coming.
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  So there's definitely there's definitely in something in that
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  and I think it might be it's that idea that they're going to
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  tie you out, eventually you're going to get tired and you run
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  anymore, but they will keep coming and then they're going to
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  get. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
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  Wow, should we watch the ambassador's in action?
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  Then we should do. Yes, so episode Add five.
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  I'm ready to go on your counters in.
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  So in 5 4, 3 2 1 go off we go. The Marvelous Pertwee knows like
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  staring up Twin Tunnels and you're so, he said, but you're
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  watching this on blue blue, yet on DVD or brick box?
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  On brick box Fox. I think I watched this on brick
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  box. The first record and block, but
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  I've got the DVD or now. I would recommend anyone to go
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  get the DVD because it has got a really superb common tree.
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  Is this? The commentary where is got?
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  The stunt men on one side. Yes, and that's how little these
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  stories about down down the market.
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  What they used to, like, get up to Mischief down the labor
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  markets. It's really funny.
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  It's me, but it's honest, it's got em, it's got ten sticks on
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  it, it's got Nick Courtney on it, it's got Maple Ferguson on.
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  It's got Kerry John on it, it's got its got so many people who
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  would not go to hear a talk about Doctor Who again.
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  Unfortunately, so I would highly recommend I think Toby, hey, Had
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  a big hand in this company because he moderates this one,
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  doesn't it? Because yes, he was talking on
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  his podcast the other day about how he used to get really angry
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  but the commentaries were being done, but the none of like the
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  big contributors were being contacted.
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  Us are well, maybe they're dead or maybe they're like, no one
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  was making a lot of effort, and then he was asked to come in and
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  put some of these commentaries together.
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  This, I remember reading running record with.
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  This is one of his all-time favorite story.
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  Yes. So I bet he assembled this all
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  of Alias commentary cast precisely for the of.
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  Absolutely. Absolutely.
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  So there is a big question that's going to come up in this
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  in this story. Is it about Sergeant Benson?
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  It is about Sergeant Benson who is going to make an appearance
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  in regards to this chocolate on the screen now.
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  Dr. Lennox on the question is who kills dr.
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  Lennox. Well, why does all suspicion
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  fall onto Benton? Because I know he comes in and
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  he's a bit. He behaves very strangely he saw
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  it goes. Yeah right sir I was Don't and
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  like I've kind of sinister way I mean well I think well when we
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  get to that soon will answer that question fully because
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  there is a very definite answer to that.
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  But here he is now making he's it's not easy dear viewers
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  because he was in The Invasion first but this is the sort of
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  yeah yeah. First introduction into the sort
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  of the, the Pertwee era saw. So I've got a question for you
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  gone. Is it Benton or you?
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  It's what? Who's the better character?
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  Who do you thinks the back? How do you think it was?
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  Your favorite Benton? Are you?
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  It I think Benson's better a more entertaining character.
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  I think Yates ultimately is a more interesting character that
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  might sound like a bit of a cop-out.
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  I don't think they really like they do.
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  Lots of fun things with Benton and he gets to go off in the
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  Tardis and three doctors, and he gets to bop some, you know,
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  General and the nose and he gets all the fun stuff.
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  You know what I think? In terms of like a character
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  Arc, might get some more interesting story.
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  So, yeah, I would say that bent and gets just as good.
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  A character Arc, has the, a think I think.
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  Yeah. Because nobody's got a sister
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  and that he goes off ballroom dancing with her.
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  I mean, yeah. It's as cutoff is basically
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  based around the fact that he gets introduced to hippies in
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  the green death becomes a hippie invasion of the dinosaurs and
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  you know, redeems himself to a certain extent.
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  The planet of the spiders, I think Benton's Arc is Is very
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  similar, you know, they are to essentially, you know, very
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  similar characters you know brought in a take a bit of the
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  Lord off the brig in bringing a bit of you know, the family,
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  feel to what's going on with unit.
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  You've got your tutors, the sort of flash Captain, you've got
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  bent and as the very solid and dependable Soldier.
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  Essentially, you know, they both go on the same Journey but, you
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  know, making it scores off. In Patrice units, a very dark
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  direction that know you expecting.
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  Yeah, it's it's Justified. One's interested in.
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  But at the same token, you in the same story Benton,
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  absolutely holds his ground and stands down and says, nope, this
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  is this is the right thing. So you know, you know, I think
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  the most interesting Benson story is I think is Inferno
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  where you see what our fucking sadist.
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  He might have been under different circumstances like
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  they say there's no such A sign of our congenial.
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  Lovely, mr. Benson are, is it abnormal
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  bully? And a sadist is horrible.
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  Yeah, and you get, you get something out but a monster
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  which is very bent in Centric rice, which is had to bring that
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  up in you Benson in a nappy, it's just a weird from all
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  angles trying to do a million things badly but it's is
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  ambitious. Its ambitious but it is so Just
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  we are different and you just don't know who where it's come
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  from or anything. Do you know anything?
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  Like we're watching the ambassador's of death.
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  The time most is just a world away from the ambassador's of
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  the everything in terms of everything, it's a world away
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  from everything. If you watch the time monster
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  and you watch the rest of every other unit story, it is
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  massively different from everything else.
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  I mean, even I think I mentioned previously that, you know, Klaus
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  of ox Ox would fit very well in this series.
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  He's, you know, you can, you know, the mind of Evil's got
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  some some good elements carried over from ambassadors as well
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  and all the units stories seemed, you know, all
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  identifiable as units always, then watch the time on Steam,
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  think this is Doctor Who done by.
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  People who don't know what they're doing.
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  Who've never done Doctor, Who it's very less is caving.
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  He's escaping about the writing the direction, that's why they
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  should be. It's just saw off kilter and
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  yeah different from everything else.
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  But yep, invasion of the dinosaurs is definitely Benton's
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  finest moment for me because that's the point where you'll
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  you ate the board made a decision yet has decided duck.
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  To you know, betray everyone go with operation.
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  Golden Age, Benton has has that lovely lovely scene where he's
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  like literally you know, he's been told to lock up the doctor
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  and he just goes this isn't right, I trust you implicitly do
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  you venusian? He drew honors and that's just
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  the defining moment of bending is that loyalty and that and you
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  know, he just knows what's right and follows through with it, you
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  could rephrase the question. If you said to me, who would I
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  rather Hang wave, Bentley, nice Benson.
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  By a mile. Are they makes a bloody great
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  cup or as well? Oh, yes, I probably get a fine
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  Chianti from my Yates. You know, that's all Gorgonzola.
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  One back. The big question of who kills
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  dr. Lennox is.
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  It Liz sure. Because Liz Shaw sends him out.
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  This short, talk them into going leaving, you know, this is
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  uniquely. Yes, it's a technicality.
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  Well there's quite a few caught that is we're going to say, so
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  Liz is still, she doesn't send him there.
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  No, he's gonna die. Obviously, I know why she
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  wouldn't make that call. No, but she she pushes and
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  pushes him and says, you know, you know, really goes to work
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  but I'm and really, you know, gets under his skin and says,
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  you know, you're working for a murder out with had the scene
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  where and you know Regan's come back with the ambassadors and
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  he's loving, it needs Boston. And he said, well what touch
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  from these in the drop like flies and I can rob a bank, I
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  could The bank of England do Fort Knox and you know Liz is
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  really went to town with Lennox and said you know you are the
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  only one who can get out of here, go to the unit go to
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  Brigadier, you know he'll he'll look after you the sort of
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  thing. So does Liz have a bit of
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  culpability in the death of dr. Lennox.
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  Yes, definitely. But she is not the person that
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  took an isotope into his cell. No Norton.
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  That is absolutely Grim. That will let you know what I
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  like though. I like you don't find out who
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  that was, but But the implication is someone from
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  within unit is in Carrington's pocket.
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  Well, and that's quite nice. That's very X-Files, isn't it?
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  Yeah. What was the fellows name?
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  Alex krycek when he was brought in in series 2 and he was
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  supposed to be mold as new partner while stealing Anderson
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  was not having a baby. Yeah.
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  And and then at the end of the episode, he turned out to be a
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  traitor. Maybe they could have done more
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  with that mind you. That is what they do.
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  In invasion of dinosaurs, isn't it?
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  Yeah. It's the traitor.
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  Then and I use really ghost town with that.
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  You said, evasion advice, was Benton's finest hour.
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  I think it's Yates is as well. I think it's just magnificently
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  over underrated. Sorry - all's or definitely.
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  Definitely. It's one of these ones where the
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  production value is, is see, you know, what, pad busy, people's
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  opinion of it, you know, cheap dinosaurs.
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  And again it goes back to that receive fun wisdom, which is
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  built around a couple of books that were released in the 80s
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  and, you know, people Then because the haven't had the
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  chance to watch it again and so on.
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  And so forth is featuring such obscene, left-wing extremists,
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  that are so, contentious, that even sigh Heart.
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  Lost his temper, was it? He did.
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  So he has the next corporate / suspect for the different
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  products, the Brigadier because Lennox turns up Don't you
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  Slaughter the brigadier's? They oh no, Lucy mokou on you.
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  No, no because Lennox is turned up.
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  He spoke to Benton, but in rings, the brigand says, quite
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  clearly. There's a man here who know
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  something about the missing us? You cannot a dr.
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  Lennox, it wants to speak to your nearest speak only to you.
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  And what does the brick do? But why would the Brigadier be
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  trying to bring Carrington down? Know what does the brick do?
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  The brig says, put him in a Cell.
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  I've got some Security checks to do.
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  Why isn't the Brigid? Yeah cool one I will come speak
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  to this man straight away. Little jaw is missing.
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  Do you think this script is deliberately throwing out?
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  Red herrings. The script is, is deliberately
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  leading us to the death of dr. Next it's a bit more padding
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  because realistically Brigadier lethbridge-stewart would be like
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  this man is invaluable. I'm going to be here right now.
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  Ben and you go do the checks. Someone else go do the checks.
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  I don't need to do the checks. I'm a brigadier.
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  This man's only going to speak to me.
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  I need to speak to him straight away, but he put it off and
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  gives them the opportunity to You know, Murder them
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  essentially but it also gives us this absolutely fantastic seat
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  now, which is the doctor, the Brigadier C in B of the doctor
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  which is again just one of those lovely moments that we don't get
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  after. It seems very Gentile of weight
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  whether or not I was all. Yeah, I've done all the tests.
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  Yeah, they were, they were piece of piss.
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  See, it's just, that's the look between them of this is just
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  absolute, mutual respect and admiration between the two of
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  them, which you don't get Again by the time.
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  The next series, the doctor is making Media the book of these
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  jokes and everything I got and it's just they are?
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  Why did why could we not have more scenes like this and going
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  back to a Lennox very quickly? Do you think like the deaths of
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  guest characters or anybody in Doctor Who like they never a
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  mystery? Are they, they're always know
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  killed by a monster. Can do you think the reason why
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  and them collectively as obsessed over?
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  This particular one is because we never get an answer.
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  I think it's just because We don't get a full answer but we
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  do get a big clue coming up right now lovely seeing where
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  he's held a gun to Liz, got the information out of our throws at
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  door. He's under Lynn says look after
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  take care of her and she is don't worry I won't hurt you
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  which was a lovely evening then he gets on the phone.
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  He gets the direct line to whoever's in charge who tells
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  them that the doctors about to blast off.
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  And he says rate, I'll take care of the doctor, you take care of
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  Lennox. Who says that Regan Regan says,
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  on the phone to whoever is on the phone to, right?
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  I'll take care of the doctor, you take care of Lenox So why
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  don't they tell us who it is? It?
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  Why do we never find out? Because the person that was on
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  the phone to is the person that's at the Cliffhanger of
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  episode six, who would not supposed to know who it is?
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  Who's the spiders? Could be eight years.
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  If you haven't seen this, if you're watching on for the first
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  time, it's coming tonight. He's on the phone-a Carrington.
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  Yeah. But I think Aaron's is then he's
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  got something there, someone in within unity, in his pocket
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  because that's a unit facility, isn't it Carrington?
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  And you can happen. Until it goes in with the
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  isotope. Yeah, yeah, I mean we know
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  they're working together. They absolutely reveal that
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  before the end of the story. Yeah.
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  Oh my God, I love all of this as he goes and runs around.
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  All the pipes, I love the bit just before the papers, where
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  the doctors in the rocket being very Parisian Bowman, just Blast
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  Off mad, the g-force doesn't bother me.
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  Pinned, good old rygel is sitting there going it'll bother
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  you if the rocket blows up on the phone.
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  Each part. No not mr.
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  So he's ego is big enough. He'll survive, that it's popped.
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  You can literally hear the pop Benny was, ah, okay.
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  That's why this doctor needed this doctor needed more moments
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  like this where he has his legal pot Jewel Grant does a
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  beautifully, you know, from season nine and season 10.
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  Yeah, onwards. But it just need more moments
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  like this but and Regan. Yeah, climb through the pipes.
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  Just so technically competent isn't it?
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  Yeah, it's Sam, I think. So hot asked us a question,
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  didn't you? And he said, why isn't Regan?
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  Okay. So one more question because he
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  is a very memorable character and it's no one really like
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  people talk about school, be from seeds to do all the time
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  who have a like well-known henchmen.
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  Like what is no crack starts from?
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  Yeah it's Rangers Arnie. So what is no one talked about
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  this guy, honestly, don't know. I mean he he's got these.
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  The full package is really Sinister.
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  I'll write out. Your boy has he got the full
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  package? Yeah, but he's really Charming
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  with it. He's really fleshed out as well.
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  And I feel you know what this you know the teaching us angles
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  are Max and an industrial setting.
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  This is season seven to me when I think of season seven and hold
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  up lady think of his pipes and what those enormous.
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  Does inferno, the gas cylinders? Yeah, you know at the sort of
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  Stark location work that they do for out this season.
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  It's definitely a tone, isn't it?
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  7, definitely. Deaf hearing here.
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  So the doctors in the Regan's just switch the fuel.
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  They again, fantastic bit for this series, for this story is
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  the level of detail in the signs.
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  It's, they've got ya. One type of few about the can
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  use, which is see, if they've got an experimental one, which
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  blast them off too quick, and Regan has put the experimental
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  morning and you will had conversations all around this
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  its proper sci-fi. But you know what, this is done
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  correctly as well. Three hours, long story.
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  They've got the I'm to do it have a night and it is a
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  question. I want to ask you about
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  long-form storytelling, because I think, within this story, we
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  get a chance to have some very complex characterization, not
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  science, like you say some really tasty set pieces.
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  Yep. So, do you think that the new
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  series lacks some of those things for telling an episode in
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  45 minutes? Good because you know B by just
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  the sheer amount of time you have to tell a story here to
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  say, I don't know, I'll put any episode of the are the Lazarus
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  experiment, you know, you do not have the time to do incredibly
• 21:49
  complex characterization long dialogue scenes, you couldn't do
• 21:55
  any of this stuff so couldn't which is which is the for you
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  which is the better approach. I'm going to part like question
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  for a minute because he has the scene that we've been leading up
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  to which is The death of Doppler.
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  Next, first thing I want to say is this is truly a horrendous
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  way to handle someone. You know, this is not a quick
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  death. If you, you know, give someone a
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  radioactive isotope that it's not instant.
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  It is very slow, very long, very painful, the way that type of
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  Linux is going to die. And you can tell that by the
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  fear on his his face, you know, so shops, they're just being
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  absolutely magnificent. Do you know though?
• 22:33
  I think some of the the deaths in seven Are some of the
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  scariest you go. See would remember it before we
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  saw the people being buried in the gravel.
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  Yeah, there's a sequence in space hyphen space where the guy
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  comes off the road and his face is mangled through the screen,
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  and it's a bit comical, but there's a bit in Inferno that
• 22:53
  chills me to the Bone, where one of the characters has the green
• 22:56
  slime. Yeah, literally, smeared on his
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  face and he's screaming his head off.
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  It's really a dull. It is the work every death for
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  everything. It's worth in the series.
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  Not kind like throw away. And I get becomes with, you
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  know, my top Scabbard, and I would say it would have been to
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  scare the little fuckers and I. Yeah, but I mean that seems to
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  the soldier comes in. Gives them says, I've got some
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  food and I think the reason why everyone thinks it's bent and is
• 23:22
  because it sounds a little bit like Sergeant Benton.
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  So I don't know if they've just had John Devine doing a bit of
• 23:30
  extra voiceover work, or whether it's wrong.
• 23:32
  I'm an Aries, come in and done some You know, work and tried to
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  disguise his voice a bit. But I think the reason everyone
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  thinks this is bent this because it sounds a little bit like
• 23:41
  Benton. So just to completely dispel
• 23:44
  that myth, that it is not Benton, okay?
• 23:47
  And one it is made very, you know, unclear as to who it is.
• 23:54
  You know, the person that's delivering, the isotope is
• 23:56
  hidden for a very good reason so we don't know who it is.
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  Secondly, the script tells us very clearly who it is.
• 24:03
  The script says, as I've said, you know, the person that Regan
• 24:06
  is on the It was the person that is going to run off Lennox with
• 24:09
  little find out. That's General coming in in the
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  third and most vital bit of evidence that I'm going to
• 24:14
  present for the fact that this is not Sergeant Benton
• 24:16
  callanetics, is that Terrance dicks says, so Evan sticks in
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  the comic mean, this is why you need to go and buy the DVD
• 24:23
  because ten sticks in the comment, me the address this
• 24:25
  tool Behavior, brings it up and down sticks.
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  As our got notes cost is not Benton, no ten sticks.
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  And makes it clear that that line of dialogue where he seen
• 24:35
  you You'll deal with the doctor you deal with Lennox is clear
• 24:40
  that person. He's talking to is the person
• 24:42
  that's going to go until the next and that person is coming
• 24:44
  and so Kevin stick says, or he will Turtle case closed.
• 24:49
  I want no way, I'm going to muddy the waters a little bit.
• 24:51
  Come on. This is going to be there is
• 24:53
  Benson guilty episode right to the end because I don't think
• 24:58
  anyone ever Ashley States. Yeah, I murdered Lennox.
• 25:03
  No, we're making an assumption there.
• 25:06
  I think that this was a script that was by a terroristic, his
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  own admission, cobbled together from several previous drafts.
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  So there's a bit of confusion within the writing and I
• 25:18
  genuinely think there is a red herring there.
• 25:23
  The Benton could possibly be the person I can and I think perhaps
• 25:27
  because Hulk is clearly. Capable of saying, one of the
• 25:30
  regulars can do wrong invasion of the dinosaurs.
• 25:36
  Yeah, so if that was even a possibility, it was just a dead
• 25:42
  end, the didn't go anywhere, you know, and they fought know,
• 25:44
  we're going to have fun with this character and we're going
• 25:45
  to take him elsewhere but I don't mean us a definitive.
• 25:49
  No he didn't. I think it's a maybe he could
• 25:52
  have, but nothing is ever confirmed and I think that's
• 25:56
  great. That's that's, that's cool.
• 25:58
  It's absolutely fantastic. It's pardon, you know, we
• 26:01
  thought this story is padded throughout, but it's padded with
• 26:05
  ten sticks and Michael pardon, which is the best pattern.
• 26:08
  You can get what we need is a big finish story.
• 26:11
  Now, we're on his deathbed. He goes and I killed letter
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  comes along. We need that little big finish
• 26:20
  vignette. We're coming to indoors to
• 26:22
  lennox's, we do and our children and what not and to make amends.
• 26:26
  But all right. So I want to refine my question
• 26:28
  to you because Before you do that, go on before you do that.
• 26:32
  I just want to point out Jon Pertwee with a hair tie, your
• 26:36
  needs. It's hello.
• 26:37
  That was his idea. My folks are steady.
• 26:40
  No, no, it wasn't a hetero. It was an industrial.
• 26:42
  Don't steal blower. Yeah, it's just your father, I
• 26:44
  beg your pardon and Industrial blower.
• 26:47
  Excuse me, stop it. My book, it's worse.
• 26:51
  But it takes you back to make the Ferguson's previous.
• 26:54
  See what? For Doctor Who, which is the
• 26:56
  seeds of death. Yeah.
• 26:58
  Whoo. Whoo.
• 26:59
  Whoo. They were holding their faces
• 27:02
  like this tightrope, a Hinds and Wendy pad.
• 27:05
  We have to pull their faces back to Denny without affecting its,
• 27:09
  I just loved one how it gets away from have a bit of a tweak.
• 27:15
  Earning probably loves again, but we'll move away from that.
• 27:19
  And it's a nice sort of a field development in, you know, make
• 27:24
  the Ferguson's technical skills as well that we get.
• 27:27
  A different way of showing G-Force on TV.
• 27:30
  So anyhow, the question you were asking when I weighed you.
• 27:32
  Remember the the third example of G-Force in Doctor Who it's
• 27:36
  Sarah Jane in the Android Invasion episode free where
• 27:38
  she's going and that's the cliff, I know.
• 27:45
  Okay, so my refined version of the question is this is I want
• 27:47
  to talk about characterization because I think that's somewhere
• 27:50
  where the ambassador's of test scores very highly and I think
• 27:54
  it's long-form storytelling, it takes place over.
• 27:57
  Episodes it affords. The time to get us to know the
• 28:00
  characters and do complex things with them and to understand
• 28:03
  their motives and all of this. And I think the new series does
• 28:07
  do that. Yeah.
• 28:08
  But it does it very economically very briefly.
• 28:11
  And on the whole with a lot less depth.
• 28:16
  Yeah. You know, you know, I know, I
• 28:18
  don't know, Lazarus far less than I understand Carrington in
• 28:21
  this. Yeah, no, no, no, absolutely.
• 28:24
  And I think there's a balance to be struck to be Us because
• 28:28
  you're absolutely right. We have seven episodes here so
• 28:31
  we can go to town with things. Like I was set pieces.
• 28:34
  We're going to have helicopters, drop them gas bombs.
• 28:38
  We can have, you know, people learn along we as we can go to
• 28:42
  town in the characterization, we're going to have loads of
• 28:44
  scenes with is, you know, working and on Lennox before you
• 28:48
  actually does it. We can upload scenes between the
• 28:51
  doctor and the Brigadeiro. And I voted to scenes, you know,
• 28:54
  with Regan and Carrington and kind.
• 28:57
  You see getting to know them. And with the shorter form, what
• 29:01
  you need to do is if you're going to have those moments you
• 29:04
  need to get through them really quickly.
• 29:06
  So you need things like a sonic. Yeah you basically what you need
• 29:10
  is a sonic screwdriver that can do everything and psychic paper
• 29:15
  that can be psychic paper, that sort of thing.
• 29:17
  So you don't have the benefit of that wonderful scene in episode
• 29:19
  one with the doctor storm and at the Space Center control and
• 29:23
  having a showdown with love. Cornish, which, you know, takes
• 29:28
  a couple of minutes, but it's, you know, again it gives you Joy
• 29:32
  class of introductions to both their characters.
• 29:35
  So you miss that in the, in the new series, we can get those
• 29:40
  kind of moments. But it comes at the cost of
• 29:42
  things like plot, which is probably where for me, the RTD
• 29:46
  Ruffles down a lot is because you have a very quick open and
• 29:50
  you have a lot of character detail, and then you have a very
• 29:53
  quick ending, you know, it's you have that sort of DS ending of
• 29:57
  Oh, well, yeah, that's Jesus or the box is much thicker.
• 30:01
  Sock them all into this black hole or whatever.
• 30:04
  So it's, it depends on his priorities are very different.
• 30:09
  There is to what I think he can play extremely well and I think
• 30:14
  some episodes that are very underrated plot Rise, Like The
• 30:18
  Runaway Bride and Voyage of the Damned are ploy to the hill,
• 30:22
  they're very entertaining watches, but if you actually
• 30:24
  boiled them down to a narrative, their Potted.
• 30:27
  Very, very robustly. Rusty Davis.
• 30:30
  Is going for sentiment over plastic.
• 30:32
  Oh yeah, that's, that's my bag. So that's why you love it.
• 30:36
  You know. And that's and that's what makes
• 30:37
  me feel like no. Other part of those who does not
• 30:41
  one rosti Davis over, I don't feel a whole ton of emotions.
• 30:44
  I love that me exactly what the the pit, the the cost of that is
• 30:49
  for someone like me who was more, you know, invested in plot
• 30:53
  who, you know, wants to watch a good story that has a good
• 30:55
  beginning. Good.
• 30:57
  Good and go along with the plot, you know, we get a little bit
• 31:01
  short changed in that respect. So we have a don't get us wrong.
• 31:03
  I'm not, you know, sliding not something you do buzz off in the
• 31:06
  slightest, bit, what I'm seeing is that, that's what you like,
• 31:08
  it's funny. Why you, you outside, ankle
• 31:10
  Moore's, nothing because nothing is far, more profit is more,
• 31:13
  probably not do decent characterization, but I don't
• 31:17
  think I don't think he's as a depth making you feel and
• 31:20
  getting you close to people. But he man a man, he can
• 31:23
  assemble a plot like pretty much nobody else.
• 31:27
  Absolutely, in Eagan, you can turn it around, you can Loop it
• 31:29
  back on itself. You can, you know, you can do
• 31:32
  things. It's like the blowing I'm sorry,
• 31:38
  you know, it's so would you knock it back?
• 31:41
  The classic series, you have, you know, stories like this,
• 31:44
  which are seven episodes, long anything?
• 31:45
  Well, is seven episodes, you're too long for this story.
• 31:49
  That's going to be a lot of people out there who are
• 31:50
  thinking, oh yes, it's padded to the hilt and nothing is one.
• 31:54
  Modern-day viewer that wouldn't say this is Be double the
• 31:57
  length. It needs to be.
• 31:58
  Yeah, but we've just watched thought.
• 32:01
  Well, within episode 5, you know what five episodes in and out,
• 32:04
  and this has not let up once you know, coming in to episode 6, I
• 32:08
  think this is where it starts lagging.
• 32:10
  A little bit in episode 6. Go start to get a bit with
• 32:12
  repetition your things start happening again.
• 32:15
  And you kind of thinking of it because this is where we're
• 32:17
  getting bogged down a little bit.
• 32:18
  But I say this point notice is there's other areas Dixon
• 32:23
  Barrel. It's always say, you know, like
• 32:24
  where, you know, you can do the first four There's lots of
• 32:27
  insert and, you know, the plots chugging along and then you have
• 32:30
  to add a new element. I think that's why he's got into
• 32:32
  space now because they've gotta do something different.
• 32:36
  They can't just run around a lot of pipes and have the
• 32:38
  ambassador's attacking people for another three episodes.
• 32:41
  You know, I'll try but never mind.
• 32:43
  Hmm but again it's you know it's depends on how well you you put
• 32:48
  it out. So you know, 10 sticks of doing
• 32:51
  a brilliant job here of just bringing in new story elements
• 32:54
  and stretching out what they've got, you know.
• 32:57
  In a scene and, you know, you know, balloon in and out with
• 33:01
  with count up bits and you know, and what not, and it makes it
• 33:05
  much better or the stories don't do successfully other stories,
• 33:10
  bringing a bit of a dogleg. See how that looks sort of like,
• 33:12
  well, we'll have a little story than a bigger story, you know?
• 33:16
  If you look at something like seeds of Doom.
• 33:19
  Yeah, you have. That is probably the clearest
• 33:21
  example of, here's a little introduction of the story and
• 33:24
  then we'll have the full story. And going back to Dinosaur
• 33:28
  Invasion. That's another fantastic example
• 33:30
  of Matt Hulk plottin, where he has two or three plots threads
• 33:36
  which are running simultaneously so you have syrup in the space.
• 33:41
  Trip. You know, you have this
• 33:43
  introduction which is sort of like 20 days later of deserted
• 33:47
  London, you have the doctor worrying about the dinosaurs and
• 33:49
  then you have several up in the spaceship and David Whittaker
• 33:52
  does the same thing in enemy of the world, when salamander goes
• 33:54
  down into his secret base and then that opens up the whole
• 33:57
  story as well, you know? Yeah, so it can be done quite
• 34:00
  naturally but a lot of them need this sort of like dog wreck
• 34:03
  approach but it's what I will see is you know, if you're
• 34:09
  complaining about the length. Length of a story.
• 34:11
  What? You're going to cut out of this?
• 34:14
  Nothing, I don't know, they would lose the thing.
• 34:16
  In fact, I've watched you put, I probably would lock an episode
• 34:20
  of Inferno. And I think now, I think
• 34:24
  silurians has enough instant to cover it, seven episodes as
• 34:28
  well. I don't know if it's a whole
• 34:30
  episode where they're doing the test tubes and trying to stop
• 34:33
  the plague, but it's worth remembering as well.
• 34:36
  Tara sticks and he uses this word hated.
• 34:40
  Seven passes. Yeah and he said that it was
• 34:43
  torturous trying to stretch these stories to this like oh
• 34:48
  now I think he's talented enough and he's got whole care as well.
• 34:52
  The they do an intelligent job of it.
• 34:55
  Yeah him and him and hawk or a brilliant.
• 34:57
  If you look at the war games where they've done for 10
• 35:00
  episodes and I can totally understand why you hits doing it
• 35:03
  for 470, probably here to doing it for six as well.
• 35:05
  Although he did a lot of sex partners and I'd say, As far as
• 35:10
  to say like like they got away with their.
• 35:13
  Yeah. But this absolutely should not
• 35:15
  have been the norm. No, they've got away with it
• 35:17
  because the old that good at it. That's the thing, you know, if
• 35:20
  it wasn't, you know, for the had just left, left it a day over
• 35:23
  with like the right seven episodes or anyone else.
• 35:25
  I think this story would have fallen quite short, but because
• 35:29
  it is Terrance dicks and because it is my called can because of
• 35:34
  the off. So good at this, back to the
• 35:37
  wall, we need to fill seven episodes.
• 35:39
  Let's do it. Type of work.
• 35:42
  It's absolutely fantastic.