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Disney Family of Five Disappears, Cops Smell Stench at Luxury Condo, Gun Purchase? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: That's he great.
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Speaker 2: So called Disney family vanishes into thin air and then
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Speaker 2: l E law enforcement smells a stinch at their luxury
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Speaker 2: Disney condo tonight, a gun purchase and jailhouse letters. Imancy Grace,
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Speaker 2: this is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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Speaker 2: being with us.
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Speaker 3: The Toad family, a seemingly loving family of five with
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Speaker 3: their dog, celebrates the holidays and travels to their Florida
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Speaker 3: home unaware of what's to come.
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Speaker 2: Straight out to Crime Stories investigative reporter Sydney Sumner, They're
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Speaker 2: called the Disney family.
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Speaker 1: The Disney Dad, the Disney Mom, the Disney kids.
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Speaker 2: Why is it because they live in Celebration and they
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Speaker 2: seem to have a fixation on Disney they go all
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Speaker 2: the time.
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Speaker 4: Yes, that is exactly why this family moves from Connecticut
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Speaker 4: to Celebration, Florida. And this is a Disney place and neighborhood.
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Speaker 4: They've invested a lot of their control in this plan's
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Speaker 4: neighborhood at this point. But it is an idealic, perfect
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Speaker 4: neighborhood that is overtly connected to Disney. And this family
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Speaker 4: goes every chance they get to go into the parks
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Speaker 4: for their children.
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Speaker 2: So they've gotten that Moniker Sydney because they're Disney kids
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Speaker 2: and they're Disney adults. You know, they have a name,
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Speaker 2: the adults that keep going back to Disney over and
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Speaker 2: over and over. They celebrate their birthdays there, their anniversaries,
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Speaker 2: they get engaged there, the works. So this is the
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Speaker 2: consummate Disney family. Okay, that's not the whole story. In fact,
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Speaker 2: they love Disney so much Sydney they move.
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Speaker 1: From where to celebration. It's in the shadow of Disney.
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Speaker 4: So yeah. So they were originally based on the East
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Speaker 4: Coast up in Connecticut. They had a physical therapy practice
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Speaker 4: there and in fact, the father actually travels back to
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Speaker 4: Connecticut on a weekly basis to continue seeing his patients.
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Speaker 2: Two Joseph Scott Morgan joining US Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
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Speaker 2: the author of Blood Beneath My Fate on Amazon, The
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Speaker 2: star of a hit podcast Body Bags At Joe Scott
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Speaker 2: Morgan Joe Scott death Investigator. It's very rare that an
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Speaker 2: entire family just disappears.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it is. And one of the shocking things
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Speaker 5: that occurs is that you have this manifestation of what
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Speaker 5: are referred to as family annihilators and just imagine this, Nancy,
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Speaker 5: just for an instant, You've got these precious lives here
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Speaker 5: for four lives that just literally vaporize in just a moment.
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Speaker 5: They had impacts on lives as you can imagine that
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Speaker 5: extended beyond just their familial group. And one moment they're there.
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Speaker 5: You know, you talk about this environment of being around
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Speaker 5: Disney and being engaged with that. The next moment they're gone,
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Speaker 5: completely gone. And when that happens, from an investigative standpoint,
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Speaker 5: you have a lot of questions. Did they leave one
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Speaker 5: by one, they go as a group, had they just
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Speaker 5: vanished into thin air and driven off somewhere. And unfortunately,
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Speaker 5: many times when you have these cases, you wind up
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Speaker 5: learning the worst news possible, and that is they're all gone.
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Speaker 5: They're all gone together in one house.
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Speaker 2: Though, tell me, Sidney, who is in the family. You
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Speaker 2: heard just Scott mention four people who all is in
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Speaker 2: the family.
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Speaker 4: Anthony and Meghan Tote are the parents, and then we
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Speaker 4: have Alexander, Tyler and Zoe. Zoe is just four years old.
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Speaker 2: So you've got Alexander who is thirteen and he is
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Speaker 2: a pianist and a violin. You have Tyler, who is eleven,
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Speaker 2: who's a pianist and guitarist. And you have Zoe who
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Speaker 2: is just four years old. And of course there's Breezy
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Speaker 2: the dog that we keep seeing so for eleven and thirteen.
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Speaker 1: Then you have mom and dad.
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Speaker 6: Both aspiring physical therapists. Anthony and Meghan taught meet in college,
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Speaker 6: marrying shortly after graduation. The couple opens a practice together
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Speaker 6: in Colchester, Connecticut. When the couple welcomes children, Alexander, Tyler
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Speaker 6: and Zoe, Meghan stays home full time to care for them.
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Speaker 6: In twenty nineteen, the family moves to Florida, just miles
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Speaker 6: away from Disney World. Anthony Todt continues working in Connecticut,
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Speaker 6: traveling back to Orlando for family weekends.
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Speaker 1: Sidney Sumner.
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Speaker 2: When did things begin to go wrong? And it all
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Speaker 2: goes to their lux lifestyle?
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Speaker 1: They have a.
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Speaker 2: Place, you said, in Connecticut. They have a place at
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Speaker 2: Disney Celebration. They go to the Disney theme park all
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Speaker 2: the time with a whole their whole family, which is
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Speaker 2: you know, a couple of thousand dollars once you take
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Speaker 2: the whole family there. They had an exorbitant lifestyle. Where
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Speaker 2: did it all start unraveling?
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, this family was living beyond their means at this point.
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Speaker 4: I mean that commute back and forth from Connecticut to Florida,
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Speaker 4: even that would just add up, even if you're not flying,
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Speaker 4: just in a car. So this family is relying solely
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Speaker 4: on Anthony Toate's income from this physical therapy practice in Connecticut,
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Speaker 4: for which they have to pay a lease. They're renting
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Speaker 4: their home in celebration with a hefty rent check every
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Speaker 4: single month. Then he's traveling back and forth all the time,
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Speaker 4: and they're spending all of this money going to Disney
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Speaker 4: World on a regular basis with their three children. So
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Speaker 4: this really quickly adds up, and Tote is struggling to
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Speaker 4: pay those bills, and at some point he actually starts
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Speaker 4: charging patients insurance for care they did not receive.
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Speaker 6: Between their expensive Disney developed neighborhood, travel back and forth
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Speaker 6: to Connecticut and frequent Disney trips, Anthony Taught struggles to
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Speaker 6: support his family in Florida. Todt loses his lease on
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Speaker 6: the Connecticut Physical Therapy office and is in default on
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Speaker 6: several loans. Todt begins charging insurance for care patients did
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Speaker 6: not receive. By December, the Feds discover Tot's fraudulent activity.
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Speaker 6: The father claims his family has no idea of his
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Speaker 6: crimes and he will cooperate fully to keep it that way.
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Speaker 6: Todt stops communicating with authorities and in January they have
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Speaker 6: a warrant for his arrest.
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Speaker 2: Joining us is renowned expert Karen Stark. She is a
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Speaker 2: forensic psychologist, TV radio trauma expert consultant and you can
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Speaker 2: find her at Karenstark dot com.
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Speaker 1: Karen, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: How does that happen? You know what's happening. You see
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Speaker 2: your credit card bills, you know you can't pay them.
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Speaker 2: You start paying just the interest on the credit card bills,
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Speaker 2: and pretty soon you're fifty sixty.
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Speaker 1: Eighty grand in and you're drowning.
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Speaker 2: But yet you keep doing the same old thing, nothing changes.
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Speaker 1: Isn't that what the definition of insanity is?
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Speaker 2: You keep doing the same thing over and over and
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Speaker 2: over and expecting a different outcome.
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Speaker 7: That's the definition of being neurotic. And exactly right, Nancy.
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Speaker 7: In this case, he's really acting, and it's denial again.
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Speaker 7: He's acting like nothing is going on. He's in over
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Speaker 7: his head and he doesn't want the family to know.
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Speaker 7: Its humiliate this happens a lot with family annihilators, and
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Speaker 7: so he just keeps pretending that everything's okay until the
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Speaker 7: point where it's all going to go crashing down.
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Speaker 2: Ken, I ask you about the wife because she has
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Speaker 2: the same education that he does. She's very smart, very accomplished.
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Speaker 2: She is a musician as well. She's an amazing mom.
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Speaker 1: When do you.
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Speaker 2: Begin to see no evil? Hear no evil, speak no evil?
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Speaker 2: When do you have no idea what's going on in
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Speaker 2: the family pocketbook?
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Speaker 7: Well you wonder about that, Nancy, because did you really
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Speaker 7: have no idea? How could that be? I mean, she's
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Speaker 7: living there, she has no access to financial records. She
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Speaker 7: doesn't begin to see that something is going wrong. It's
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Speaker 7: a possibility, but it seems a little unlikely. Maybe she
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Speaker 7: just went along because it was easier to do that,
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Speaker 7: and everybody magically hoped it would resolve it stuff. But something,
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Speaker 7: maybe deep inside of her, knew that things were not right.
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Speaker 7: I suspect that very strongly.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, Karen Stark, you're the psychologist. I get
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Speaker 2: alcohol addiction, drug addiction because it's a physical, it's an illness,
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Speaker 2: and I've seen people's lives ruined, completely ruined. They lose
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Speaker 2: their job, their spouse, their children, their home, everything, their
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Speaker 2: credentials because they're addicted to drugs or alcohol.
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Speaker 1: But I don't get the being addicted.
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Speaker 2: To spending money just way out of your league, that
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Speaker 2: desire to just spend money. I know a lawyer, a
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Speaker 2: female lawyer, and she is fantastic as a lawyer. If
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Speaker 2: you open any closet in her home, stuff just falls
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Speaker 2: out that she orders online. It's constant, the shopping network, Amazon,
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Speaker 2: you name it, and a lot of the packages have
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Speaker 2: never even been opened. She's addicted to it. The whole
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Speaker 2: basement literally is floor to ceiling, like there's a little
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Speaker 2: path amongst shelves, floor to ceiling of stuff. Then we
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Speaker 2: hear about people that have gambling addictions.
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Speaker 1: They can't stop.
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Speaker 2: It's not physical, it's mental, porn addictions, sex addictions, and
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Speaker 2: it goes.
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Speaker 1: On and on.
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Speaker 2: I get the drugs and alcohol, but the spending money addiction,
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Speaker 2: I don't get that.
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Speaker 1: When you know that you owe eighty grand for Pete's sake.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I was looking the other day in an
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Speaker 2: article about Tory Spelling, who happened to like very much.
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Speaker 1: And reading all the money they owe, it's it's staggering.
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Speaker 2: How do you get to that point and then you
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Speaker 2: start feeling hopeless, like I'm never going to pay it off,
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Speaker 2: I'm never going to get out of this whole.
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Speaker 1: Hey, let's start on the shopping network. It's how does
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Speaker 1: it happen?
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Speaker 7: It's like any other addiction, dancy. It really is not
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Speaker 7: different from alcohol or drugs. It's really a coping mechanism.
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Speaker 7: It's a way to not deal with your own issues.
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Speaker 7: It's not something you consciously are doing. They're actually shopping
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Speaker 7: to take their mind off of what's really happening, without
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Speaker 7: knowing why they had this addiction. So of course they
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Speaker 7: would be clothes that have tags on.
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Speaker 2: You control your urges, like, okay, if you have to
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Speaker 2: shop online, if you have to do it, why can't
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Speaker 2: you get a team U?
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Speaker 1: I mean, why do you have to spend all that
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Speaker 1: money I'll say.
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Speaker 2: A barbary shirt when you can get an eight dollars shirt.
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Speaker 2: I mean, there's some thing to it. Why do you
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Speaker 2: have to go to Disney Why it spent two thousand dollars.
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Speaker 2: Why can't you go around the top of the corner,
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Speaker 2: have a family walk and go to chipotleke, what's.
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Speaker 1: Wrong with that?
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Speaker 2: It's you achieved the same that you gratify the same urge.
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Speaker 7: That's what it's about. It's about gratification. And part of it,
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Speaker 7: of course, is look at this wonderful lifestyle I'm living.
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Speaker 7: But when you're talking about an addiction, it doesn't surprise
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Speaker 7: me that your friend has tags on because it's not
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Speaker 7: about the clothes. It's not about what you have, just
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Speaker 7: discourge that you can stop. You have to keep going.
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Speaker 2: I mean, when I see people driving by in a Porsche,
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Speaker 2: I'm like, mmmmm.
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Speaker 1: There goes that car payment.
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Speaker 2: You can have it, don't want it. I'll stick with
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Speaker 2: my beat up minivan. So I'm trying to figure out
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Speaker 2: what drove them, what demons were driving them to spend
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Speaker 2: all this money. But in her defense, Sidney Sumner, Crime
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Speaker 2: Stories investigative reporter, isn't it true that she had an ailment?
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Speaker 4: That's correct. Meghan suffered from lime disease, and that includes
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Speaker 4: often debilitating symptoms including severe fatigue, cognitive impairments like having
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Speaker 4: a brain fog, issues with memory, joint pain archrightis not
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Speaker 4: being able to sleep through the night, nerve pain, sometimes
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Speaker 4: heart issues, and dizziness. So we don't know exactly how severe.
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Speaker 4: Megan's symptoms were. But if this is something that she
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Speaker 4: was dealing with on a daily basis, I could see
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Speaker 4: how she wouldn't be so concerned with exactly what is
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Speaker 4: coming in and out of a bank account every day,
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Speaker 4: every month.
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Speaker 2: And put it all together, and you've got a roiling
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Speaker 2: bubbling witches brew.
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Speaker 1: To boil over and it does.
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Speaker 8: No you coming downstairs?
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Speaker 9: I think, Uh, tell the upstairs, Hey, you come downstairs?
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Speaker 6: Left?
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Speaker 4: No?
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Speaker 8: Alright, yeah, picknob hey you stay called?
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Speaker 1: H any children?
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Speaker 8: You I can't remember, down to a super lastination.
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Speaker 7: Keep coming downtown?
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Speaker 8: She h.
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Speaker 7: Yeah like sivil southern?
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Speaker 8: No you you got any weapons on you? What's your
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Speaker 8: wife's name?
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Speaker 10: Megan?
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Speaker 8: Has you ever heard of call that magazine or any medic? Alright,
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Speaker 8: come on down by.
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Speaker 1: That soil.
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Speaker 2: That's when they call out from Megan. That silence is
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Speaker 2: deafening too, Scott Morgan. You see that they are in
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Speaker 2: the home and they've got their weapons drawn, probably because
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Speaker 2: they could smell a stench from outside that luxury condo.
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Speaker 2: It ain't cheap living in celebration, right, You ever been
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Speaker 2: down there?
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Speaker 1: I have? Have you?
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Speaker 5: Yes?
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Speaker 2: I mean when I took we've taken the children to Disney,
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Speaker 2: the whole shebang, Disney Florida, Disney, California. When we were
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Speaker 2: living out there, the Disney cruises, they're not cheap, They're awesome.
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Speaker 2: It's all incredible. But we would ask the children the
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Speaker 2: next year, do you want to go to Disney and go?
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Speaker 9: Please?
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Speaker 1: Say no? Please, that's say yes.
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Speaker 2: I have scrap books upon scrapbooks upon scrapbooks, because it's
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Speaker 2: a magnet for children.
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Speaker 1: It's amazing.
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Speaker 2: And those condos that are in the shadow, literally a
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Speaker 2: stone's throw from Disney, Yep, they're amazing, and they come
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Speaker 2: with a hefty price tag. So the stench drew the
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Speaker 2: police into that luxury condo.
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Speaker 1: Why why the stench?
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Speaker 5: Well, I'm going to tell you you remember what we
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Speaker 5: were talking about just a second ago. Where'd they go?
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Speaker 5: What happened to them? Nancy? It had been weeks, weeks
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Speaker 5: since his family had been seen. And just imagine when
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Speaker 5: these police officers made this entry into this environment. It
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Speaker 5: was like they got punched in the gut with the
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Speaker 5: smell and the guy coming down the staircase. Hold on, here,
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Speaker 5: he'd been living in this environment for this protracted time,
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Speaker 5: and that stench originates from one source, well, actually four
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Speaker 5: or maybe five if you include the family. Pet it
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Speaker 5: comes from death, and death has a smel all of
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Speaker 5: its own. It inhabits that space. Did you know that
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Speaker 5: when those police officers probably left that location, they after
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Speaker 5: they begin to explore the scene and see, they would
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Speaker 5: have had to have had all of their clothing laundried
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Speaker 5: sufficiently because it would attach it to themselves. That smell
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Speaker 5: would it'd be in their hair, any kind of facial hair.
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Speaker 5: And I know this is really grotesque, but that's the
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Speaker 5: reality of what we encounter. Now. You do this times
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Speaker 5: four individuals who are now deceased in this location. This
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Speaker 5: individual that's coming down the staircase hadn't dwelled this space.
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Speaker 5: He didn't go outside for fresh air. He lived in
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Speaker 5: this space. You have, and I'll say it plainly, you
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Speaker 5: have decayne remains that he is living adjacent to living
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Speaker 5: is kind of an overstatement existing in this environment and
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Speaker 5: it's a complete horror show.
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Speaker 2: Back to the body cam video that we have obtained,
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Speaker 2: this is what happens when law enforcement smell this horrific
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Speaker 2: smell from outside their luxe condo.
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Speaker 1: The family hasn't been seen.
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Speaker 2: Officers are responding to a wellness check from relatives, and
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Speaker 2: this is what's going on inside.
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Speaker 8: Just see, have a seat you get?
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Speaker 10: I got you? So have a seat Megan.
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Speaker 7: It's fort for me, all right?
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Speaker 8: Your hands forward to.
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Speaker 9: Megan.
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Speaker 8: Want me to get a chair for you to sit
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Speaker 8: down at?
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Speaker 2: What's that?
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Speaker 8: You're rather craft the gloss got still? We still can't
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Speaker 8: find a daughter? Where's that?
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Speaker 7: I have.
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Speaker 4: SPI thank you?
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Speaker 11: Okay, I have to.
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Speaker 1: Check you go on.
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Speaker 3: After arriving at their vacation home and celebration in Florida,
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Speaker 3: the family goes silent when police execute a search warrant.
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Speaker 3: They enter the house and discover four mummified bodies and
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Speaker 3: the body of the family dog inside the master bedroom.
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Speaker 8: Just see, have a seat you good?
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Speaker 2: I got you?
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Speaker 10: So have a seep Megan?
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Speaker 12: All right?
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Speaker 8: Heap your hands forward, Megan, want me to get a
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Speaker 8: chair for you to sit down at?
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Speaker 2: What's that?
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Speaker 7: You?
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Speaker 12: Brother?
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Speaker 7: And drifting blows?
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Speaker 8: We still can't find a daughter?
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Speaker 9: Where's that?
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Speaker 13: I haven't slip?
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Speaker 8: Thank you?
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Speaker 14: Okay, I have you.
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Speaker 12: Check? You go on?
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Speaker 2: You haven't seen her? Yes you've seen her? Did he
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Speaker 2: actually just say said I haven't seen her?
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Speaker 1: She went with you? And he's talking to the female officer.
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Speaker 4: Right at this point, Anthony Tote is mumbling. He's giving
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Speaker 4: gibberish answers. He seems to have some mental confusion going
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Speaker 4: on talking to these officers. But jo whoa.
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Speaker 2: Whoa woe whoe mental confusion, objection, my rear end mill confusion.
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Speaker 2: He doesn't want them to know where Zoe, age four is.
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Speaker 2: He knows darn well where Zoe is.
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Speaker 1: Listen.
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Speaker 6: Investigators find Alexander and Tyler on a mattress in the
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Speaker 6: tot's bedroom, next to the bed where Megan is covered
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Speaker 6: with a blanket. Officers searched the whole house for Zoe
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Speaker 6: before realizing her badly decomposed body is under a blanket
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Speaker 6: at her mom's feet. The bodies where black as leather,
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Speaker 6: and an autopsy could not determine exactly how the victims died.
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Speaker 1: All of the.
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Speaker 6: Victims were drugged with benadryl and had stab wounds. The
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Speaker 6: children's wounds were inflicted post mortem, and the medical examiner
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Speaker 6: says they were likely suffocated.
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Speaker 2: We listed at all the human victims. The dog was
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Speaker 2: killed too.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Sydney Summner. Did you actually
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Speaker 1: say that the dad.
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Speaker 2: Had apparently mental confusion? That is not a legitimate mental diagnosis,
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Speaker 2: Sydney number one.
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Speaker 1: Did you ever think he didn't want to admit that
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Speaker 1: he killed his.
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Speaker 2: Four year old little girl who had turned black black
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Speaker 2: as leather according to the autopsy upstairs, hidden under a
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Speaker 2: bunch of blankets. Mental confusion what.
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Speaker 1: Well?
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Speaker 4: Of course, Tot is also trying to conceal what he did.
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Speaker 4: But watching this bodycam, Nancy, this man, I mean, it's
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Speaker 4: almost a month after authorities say that he killed his
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Speaker 4: entire family, and in his interrogation Toate goes on to
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Speaker 4: say he's been trying to kill himself this entire time.
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Speaker 4: Trying again another word we love to see referring to suicide.
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Speaker 4: But this man has been living in a home with
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Speaker 4: five dead bodies for a month, and when police burst
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Speaker 4: into this home, their concern was for his health. Tot
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Speaker 4: briefly came out of the home and officers were poised
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Speaker 4: to pounce on him for that fraud activity involving the
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Speaker 4: insurance fraud back in Connecticut. So that's where they were
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Speaker 4: going to make this arrest.
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Speaker 2: So, Sidney Sumner, isn't it true that he told officers
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Speaker 2: this is a yes now, that he tried to kill himself. Yes,
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Speaker 2: isn't it amazing Joe Scott Morgan that he managed to
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Speaker 2: kill his entire family but not himself.
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Speaker 5: I just didn't have the intestinal fortitude, did he. He
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Speaker 5: thought about it all that time. And let me give
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Speaker 5: you another little slice reality here. While he was in
23:25
Speaker 5: this house, he literally Nancy's not just a smell. And listen,
23:30
Speaker 5: I'm not trying to disgust anybody here, but this is
23:32
Speaker 5: the reality what we're dealing with here. This guy is
23:35
Speaker 5: in dwelling this environment, not just with the smell, not
23:38
Speaker 5: just with these precious family members that are literally decomposing
23:43
Speaker 5: all around him day after day. The flies, the flies
23:47
Speaker 5: are lighting on him. They're coming off the body, they're
23:50
Speaker 5: coming off the dog's carcass. They're lighting on him. He
23:53
Speaker 5: is completely infested in this environment, as were the police
23:57
Speaker 5: officers that walked in. They saw the horror of what
24:00
Speaker 5: was going on. I think the big question here is
24:04
Speaker 5: how did he get them to the spot. We've heard
24:06
Speaker 5: a lot about, you know, the stab wounds and everything.
24:10
Speaker 5: Those you know, those obviously are probably post mortem. There
24:13
Speaker 5: are actually two knives that are involved in this. You
24:17
Speaker 5: see one here, which is absolutely horrific. The clothing is
24:22
Speaker 5: just despicable when you see this. A lot of this
24:25
Speaker 5: is as a result of decompositional change, and this is
24:29
Speaker 5: what all that remains of the family. You talk about
24:32
Speaker 5: the body changes, that kind of dark, leathery light, that's
24:37
Speaker 5: that's mummification, kind of a natural mummification that takes in.
24:40
Speaker 5: And you know the thing about it, Nancy, is that
24:42
Speaker 5: this guy by trade, I know he's a physical therapist,
24:46
Speaker 5: but at the baseline he's a scientist. He understands a
24:50
Speaker 5: lot about human anatomy, physiology. He also understands what it's
24:56
Speaker 5: going to take to kill somebody, and he took a
24:58
Speaker 5: cowardly way out. When I think about the level the
25:04
Speaker 5: degree that he went to. He gave these people benadrille,
25:08
Speaker 5: which is diephenhydramen to try to od them on, and
25:13
Speaker 5: you can ode on benadrill, but I think it was
25:16
Speaker 5: purposed in this case to make them drowsy enough so
25:20
Speaker 5: that he could probably either with his hands with a pillar,
25:25
Speaker 5: suffocate them suffocate them. And it's not enough just to
25:28
Speaker 5: do that, because after they're deceased, he's going to pick
25:32
Speaker 5: up a sharp instrument and drive it through their bodies
25:36
Speaker 5: over and over and over and over again. You know,
25:40
Speaker 5: It goes back to his statement, I make Nancy that
25:42
Speaker 5: the House of Depravity has no freaking basement in it.
25:46
Speaker 5: It is. It is absolutely horrific. I've covered this case
25:50
Speaker 5: for a couple of years now, and it is just
25:52
Speaker 5: absolutely bone chilling.
25:55
Speaker 15: January thirteenth, investigators stake out that taught seemingly vacant Florida home.
26:00
Speaker 15: Mail is piled up on the porch and an eviction
26:03
Speaker 15: notice is taped to the door. The Feds are leaving
26:05
Speaker 15: when Tot walks outside, stumbling and convulsing. They miss their
26:10
Speaker 15: chance to arrest Todt before he returns inside, but worried
26:13
Speaker 15: about his health, officers push open the front door to
26:16
Speaker 15: a horrible stench. Todt tells officers his wife is sleeping
26:21
Speaker 15: and he doesn't know where the children are. Investigators find Megan, Alexander, Tyler, Zoe,
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Speaker 15: and the family dog badly decomposing in the tat's bedroom.
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Speaker 3: Anthony Tote lives in the home for weeks alongside the
26:35
Speaker 3: decomposing bodies, sleeping beside his dead wife while their children
26:39
Speaker 3: lie on mattresses near her, sending deceptive texts to keep
26:43
Speaker 3: the family members from growing suspicious.
26:47
Speaker 15: December fourteenth, the Taut family heads to the boys' school
26:51
Speaker 15: for an annual Christmas concert. Alexander, now thirteen, is an
26:55
Speaker 15: accomplished pianist and a budding violinist. Tyler, eleven, also plays
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Speaker 15: the piano and is taking folk guitar lessons with his mom.
27:04
Speaker 15: Both boys receive awards for their performances. Photographed beaming with
27:08
Speaker 15: their music instructor. That picture the last taken of the boys.
27:13
Speaker 15: The family never seen alive again after.
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Speaker 2: The boys' concerts that night. Again, never seen alive afterwards,
27:23
Speaker 2: And we heard Sidney Sumner state that the dad, the
27:28
Speaker 2: Disney dad, was having some type of a mental problem,
27:34
Speaker 2: mental confusion.
27:36
Speaker 1: Well you know what, he.
27:38
Speaker 2: Knew enough to call the drugs a Benadrill pudding pie
27:43
Speaker 2: that he gave his children. Not only that he had
27:47
Speaker 2: the wherewithal to blame who else his wife.
27:52
Speaker 15: Todd claims his wife actually killed the children while he
27:55
Speaker 15: was away and killed herself in front of him. After
27:58
Speaker 15: confessing what she had done.
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Speaker 11: She said, the kids were dead, and Joey was my
28:02
Speaker 11: little angel. That's the first one I went to. I
28:05
Speaker 11: was covering for my wife, obviously unsuccessfully because as you
28:10
Speaker 11: saw by the video, compared to what they said, I
28:15
Speaker 11: had no clue had my kids died?
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Speaker 1: Cheryland. Thank you for being with us.
28:53
Speaker 2: So he has the wherewithal to blame his wife for
28:57
Speaker 2: the murders.
28:58
Speaker 1: Surprised, Not surprised at all.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, as you see, understand he's very arrogant, very narcissistic,
29:08
Speaker 9: and yeah, he never to this day he will not
29:13
Speaker 9: say that it was his fault. He continues to blame
29:17
Speaker 9: his wife, Megan, who I think by all accounts was
29:20
Speaker 9: a wonderful mother, loved her children, would have been in
29:26
Speaker 9: a horror to know what has happened here. Yeah, it's
29:31
Speaker 9: just the kind of story that you want to go
29:33
Speaker 9: shower when you're done reading it or listening to it.
29:39
Speaker 2: Really, you know, he is not the first family annihilator
29:45
Speaker 2: to wipe out the whole family, including his wife, and
29:48
Speaker 2: then when she cannot defend herself, blame the wife. I
29:52
Speaker 2: guess we all know this story backwards and forwards. Chris
29:56
Speaker 2: Watts listen to him lying through his teeth.
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Speaker 10: And what then huh scrut she heard 'em?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and then I.
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Speaker 8: Went, now that outing on her.
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Speaker 7: You ever heard her the day leave you after that
30:21
Speaker 7: or like that?
30:26
Speaker 14: So she sat, she started her with the games.
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Speaker 12: Taper and then what happened?
30:34
Speaker 13: I looked at her and I just on top of
30:38
Speaker 13: her and show her how so she now did the
30:40
Speaker 13: same thing, okay.
30:42
Speaker 7: To give to knock her down?
30:43
Speaker 5: Oh, she was already underground, and.
30:45
Speaker 10: I was like, I just pulled her off on the
30:47
Speaker 10: bed and.
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Speaker 5: Oh kind of one moved out. Okay, so it's another
30:50
Speaker 5: as though. Yeah, and I didn't hold.
30:51
Speaker 2: Her out off, you know, like I went.
30:53
Speaker 6: H.
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Speaker 2: Pulled her down like I said that.
30:56
Speaker 8: I I didn't know.
30:57
Speaker 5: I lost it sure.
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Speaker 10: The groom.
31:04
Speaker 5: And she was on top of pach.
31:06
Speaker 7: All that was happening order.
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Speaker 2: Window Joskott Morgan. I don't get it. He murders the
31:13
Speaker 2: whole family, he takes them all out. But that's not enough,
31:17
Speaker 2: he then has to detegrate the mother, his wife, and
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Speaker 2: blame it all on her.
31:22
Speaker 1: Nobody believes that, No.
31:25
Speaker 5: They don't this this guy. Uh, you know, look what
31:30
Speaker 5: a scumbag he is. And you and I've covered this
31:32
Speaker 5: case for a long time as well, when I think
31:35
Speaker 5: about what was done to Shenan and those precious angels,
31:38
Speaker 5: and let's let's don't forget the baby that was that
31:42
Speaker 5: turned out to be a coffin birth as well, all right,
31:44
Speaker 5: we cannot forget him. And when he did this to
31:48
Speaker 5: her remains, it goes to show you how disrespecting this
31:52
Speaker 5: individual was relative to this precious family that he did,
31:57
Speaker 5: in fact annihilate Nancy.
32:00
Speaker 2: So let me ask Sharylan Catle in this case, the
32:03
Speaker 2: current case, the case and sheep the Disney family. There
32:07
Speaker 2: was also discussion that they feared, as a family the apocalypse,
32:13
Speaker 2: so they decided to all die together rather than endure
32:18
Speaker 2: the apocalypse.
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Speaker 1: Is that right?
32:20
Speaker 9: Well, again, this is his story. Megan's not here to
32:24
Speaker 9: defend that story. But yes, supposedly she had belief that
32:30
Speaker 9: on December twenty eighth of twenty nineteen, that the world
32:35
Speaker 9: was going to end. The only thing to substantiate that Is.
32:41
Speaker 9: She had told is Anthony's sister that story on the
32:47
Speaker 9: phone one day, but I think more as a joke
32:52
Speaker 9: than believing it, and certainly not to We've all heard
32:57
Speaker 9: those kind of stories, and we don't kill our family
33:00
Speaker 9: because we think it's going to happen if we trust
33:02
Speaker 9: in God and believe that he is in heaven and
33:08
Speaker 9: controls us in that way to help us. After a trinity,
33:12
Speaker 9: we know that we could be together in heaven anyway,
33:15
Speaker 9: so we don't have to tell our whole family to
33:18
Speaker 9: be together.
33:19
Speaker 1: So I think, well, you're so right, Sheryl and Catle.
33:24
Speaker 2: And let me stress that the sister to whom you
33:27
Speaker 2: are referring is the defendant family, Annihilator's sister who has
33:32
Speaker 2: stated the family was living in fear of the apocalypse.
33:36
Speaker 1: Well, we've got that call. Listen.
33:39
Speaker 12: I don't know who I need to speak with. I'm truth.
33:42
Speaker 12: If I can have a wellness checkgun OsO check, it's
33:47
Speaker 12: two to two place in celebration, I might actually call them.
33:52
Speaker 12: December twenty ninth, and I had an offer to go
33:55
Speaker 12: out because I was concerned my brother and his family
33:59
Speaker 12: they had all been sick. But there's actually been more
34:03
Speaker 12: developments just in conversations with my sister. You know, my
34:08
Speaker 12: sister in law was making a comment about and we
34:11
Speaker 12: just kind of put it all together about basically the
34:15
Speaker 12: world's ending on the twenties, and nobody has talked to them.
34:19
Speaker 12: Nobody physically talked to my sister in law since the
34:21
Speaker 12: twenty sixth of December, and my brother has stopped texting
34:24
Speaker 12: as of Monday.
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Speaker 1: So you hear the sister saying, we past it all together.
34:28
Speaker 2: In other words, my brother said me this story and
34:34
Speaker 2: he runs with it.
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Speaker 10: Listen, We started to fraying more about the world just
34:40
Speaker 10: coming to the end, to apocalyptic ends, and that the
34:45
Speaker 10: faunilies your steparads and is saved and too better to
34:50
Speaker 10: avoid this, to all go together. Okay, you mean die.
34:55
Speaker 14: Together, back together, that's correct, Okay, Okay, so.
35:00
Speaker 13: Describably lest for a while.
35:02
Speaker 14: This is Julia Pelter and because it to its to
35:05
Speaker 14: me also because she wasn't Benapin found I wouldn't be
35:08
Speaker 14: separated living a massaro nom a heartbreaking number or anything
35:13
Speaker 14: salvation in everlasting life.
35:16
Speaker 2: Karen Stark, psychologist, This sounds like they're picking out a
35:20
Speaker 2: new car. Yeah, she had been ill for a while,
35:23
Speaker 2: so this option really appealed to her. I want the
35:26
Speaker 2: electric windows, I want the leather seats.
35:28
Speaker 1: She loved it.
35:30
Speaker 2: This is all bs that mother did not kill her
35:34
Speaker 2: own children to avoid some zany apocalypse. What is he saying?
35:40
Speaker 2: And I love the detectives. They're said, there going, yeah,
35:42
Speaker 2: the apocalypse. Keep talking.
35:44
Speaker 1: It's how is he justifying this?
35:50
Speaker 7: But what's interesting, Nancy, is that he is justifying it.
35:54
Speaker 7: That he's saying, here's this guy that seemed like he
35:58
Speaker 7: was mentally incompast, been confused, and now there's a story
36:03
Speaker 7: that he did nothing. It's always about.
36:05
Speaker 1: Her up, what have you been?
36:09
Speaker 2: He doesn't seem incompetent to Sherlyn KG at all.
36:13
Speaker 1: That's at no point is this guy.
36:16
Speaker 2: Same incompetent he's lying. There's a big difference in fact,
36:20
Speaker 2: didn't he just file a nearly ten million dollar lawsuit
36:24
Speaker 2: against the jail climbing they're reading my letters and they're
36:28
Speaker 2: giving them to the media.
36:30
Speaker 1: He knows exactly what he's doing. Chrlyn.
36:34
Speaker 9: Absolutely he does. I believe he does. He wrote this
36:37
Speaker 9: thirty one page letter to his father and it's just
36:43
Speaker 9: over and over and over again talk, you know, praising
36:46
Speaker 9: himself and having to confess this horrible thing that his
36:50
Speaker 9: wife did. And again you know that he had no pardon,
36:54
Speaker 9: and he walked in after it was all done, and
36:57
Speaker 9: he lay with his family for a month while they
37:00
Speaker 9: rot around him. And to me, I'm not a doctor
37:06
Speaker 9: or a psychologist, but to me, the mental state he
37:10
Speaker 9: was in is because he was laying there breathing the
37:13
Speaker 9: disgusting rotting of bodies.
37:18
Speaker 2: His letter, the thirty one page letter, practically every sentence
37:22
Speaker 2: starts with me, me, me, me, me, me, I, I
37:25
Speaker 2: I I. It's all about me and I, Karen Stark,
37:29
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're drinking the same kool aid
37:31
Speaker 2: as Sydney Sumner.
37:32
Speaker 1: But he is not mentally confused. He does not have
37:35
Speaker 1: a mental defect.
37:36
Speaker 2: He murdered his whole family and then stayed in the
37:40
Speaker 2: house of because he didn't know what to do with
37:42
Speaker 2: their decomposing bodies.
37:44
Speaker 7: That was the point I was trying to make that
37:47
Speaker 7: he may have appeared to be confused, but obviously he
37:50
Speaker 7: knows exactly what he's doing. He's over and over again
37:55
Speaker 7: he takes the blame away from himself. Even with this lawsuit,
38:00
Speaker 7: it's like, oh, the government is the problem, and poor me.
38:03
Speaker 7: It's always for him, my wife did it. The government
38:08
Speaker 7: is hurting me. He cannot take responsibility, and he clearly
38:13
Speaker 7: knows what he's doing right from the start. He knew
38:17
Speaker 7: what he was doing. Did he have to go back
38:19
Speaker 7: and use the knife after they were all dead? No,
38:24
Speaker 7: that's rage, that's pure rage. We know that. So this
38:29
Speaker 7: guy is very crafty and will continue to take the
38:34
Speaker 7: blame away from himself.
38:36
Speaker 11: She said the kids were dead and Joey was my
38:38
Speaker 11: little angel. That's the first one I went to. I
38:42
Speaker 11: was covering for my wife, obviously unsuccessfully because as you
38:46
Speaker 11: saw by the video, compared to what they said, I
38:52
Speaker 11: had no clue had my kids died?
38:55
Speaker 1: Crazy? Crazy like a fox that from our friends WKM.
39:03
Speaker 14: So we're so much the different things of how we
39:06
Speaker 14: do this. We didn't know already do this because we're
39:09
Speaker 14: not violent people, Okay, not violent people at all. So
39:13
Speaker 14: could they have some caugh fast and try to putting
39:15
Speaker 14: the sleep that overdoes a calf fast and sleep advice?
39:19
Speaker 7: Peaceful guy?
39:20
Speaker 14: Okay, So my wife made a pudding pie, putting pie,
39:26
Speaker 14: general pie fres it did nothing happened?
39:32
Speaker 1: Sheryl and Catle help me. You're the one that wrote
39:36
Speaker 1: the book.
39:37
Speaker 2: You're the one that has conversed with this guy, you
39:40
Speaker 2: know all about him.
39:42
Speaker 1: What is his deal? Who is this guy putting pie?
39:47
Speaker 1: It was chock full of beIN adrill to drug the children.
39:52
Speaker 9: Correct, he made the pie, obviously, and I do believe,
39:59
Speaker 9: you know, thinking that he was surprising his family with
40:02
Speaker 9: a dessert and kind of forced them to eat most
40:07
Speaker 9: of it. I think when the police got there, I
40:10
Speaker 9: believe that some of that dessert was still sitting around
40:13
Speaker 9: in the kitchen. But yeah, who does that? I mean,
40:16
Speaker 9: it's it's so sad that those four children were eating
40:23
Speaker 9: a pudding pie that he made to kill them, and
40:26
Speaker 9: all the while conversing and laughing with their dad and
40:29
Speaker 9: not realizing what he was doing to them. It's just
40:33
Speaker 9: it's beyond sad and it's beyond evil. And he knew
40:37
Speaker 9: exactly what he was doing. He planned it. It was
40:41
Speaker 9: all very carefully planned. Even they had two places there
40:44
Speaker 9: in celebration. They had a condo that they were buying,
40:48
Speaker 9: and then they had a house next block over that
40:52
Speaker 9: they were renting for five thousand dollars a month. And
40:57
Speaker 9: this was a huge house, beautiful home. Had apartment above
41:01
Speaker 9: the garage, I believe where he could go and yeah,
41:07
Speaker 9: that might be the that's the condo that they owned,
41:11
Speaker 9: they rented a high.
41:12
Speaker 1: He kind of trailed off there at the end, SHERYLN. Catle.
41:14
Speaker 2: You said he had an apartment over the home where
41:17
Speaker 2: he could go.
41:18
Speaker 1: And what what i'm'n be very concerned.
41:21
Speaker 2: If my husband has a secret layer, what is he
41:25
Speaker 2: doing in his man cave? I take it he's not
41:28
Speaker 2: just in there watching football on Sundays.
41:31
Speaker 9: Well, according to him, there would be times that Megan
41:35
Speaker 9: couldn't get comfortable and she was in so much pain,
41:39
Speaker 9: and he would leave and go and sleep somewhere else
41:44
Speaker 9: because she was just in too much pain to have
41:47
Speaker 9: him in bed with her. I mean, I don't doubt
41:50
Speaker 9: that maybe she had Lime's disease and had some problems.
41:53
Speaker 1: Who told you that? Who told you that him?
41:58
Speaker 9: I was told that by a close friend of hers
42:01
Speaker 9: that she was diagnosed with limes disease when she was
42:05
Speaker 9: in I think junior high.
42:07
Speaker 2: Now I'm saying, who told you that he would go
42:10
Speaker 2: to his secret layer.
42:13
Speaker 1: To help her? Who told you that?
42:16
Speaker 9: I was told that by a close friend of his,
42:19
Speaker 9: A close friend of the family.
42:20
Speaker 1: A close friend of.
42:23
Speaker 2: His his.
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Speaker 1: Okayes, listen, listen to more, do more.
42:30
Speaker 14: So we kept thinking, thinking, talking, and just research stands
42:36
Speaker 14: and I finally, you know, site research and research, and
42:39
Speaker 14: we said, we're just going to have to do some
42:43
Speaker 14: sort of extagnination. Okay, plead to death. Okay, let's tell
42:49
Speaker 14: her used to do it when back with.
42:50
Speaker 5: These artificial things.
42:52
Speaker 14: You take a plead to death, the lead to death,
42:56
Speaker 14: lead to death is okay, okay.
43:00
Speaker 13: And so we started researching where it would be the
43:03
Speaker 13: easiest to stab, to do when up to the kids
43:06
Speaker 13: who bleed to death need the in combination was to sleep.
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Speaker 1: Drugger crime stores with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 10: I know I tried.
43:23
Speaker 14: I don't know if I ever punished it.
43:26
Speaker 7: I don't know if I.
43:27
Speaker 13: Did or not. I saw a little mark burn, but
43:29
Speaker 13: I don't know if I saw anything. But then she
43:34
Speaker 13: rolls and starts swimming and taking my hands over her
43:39
Speaker 13: mouth and then for the pillar over the top her.
43:42
Speaker 14: So she went and then she started to feed away,
43:45
Speaker 14: and they just held that until there's no.
43:47
Speaker 1: Motion left, no way in h E double l.
43:53
Speaker 2: Here he is talking about his wife, that she's the
43:56
Speaker 2: mastermind behind annihilating the entire family. We were researching where
44:03
Speaker 2: we thought it would be the easiest to stab the
44:05
Speaker 2: children so they could bleed to death. The mother, I'm
44:09
Speaker 2: telling you did not do that. Listen to more of
44:13
Speaker 2: Anthony toated.
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Speaker 10: We walk in.
44:17
Speaker 14: He's on his back, she holds She's just sitting there,
44:20
Speaker 14: holds the seat together, just in there, just eyeing each other,
44:24
Speaker 14: just getting the confidence.
44:26
Speaker 7: I guess you know, and I go to.
44:32
Speaker 13: I stopped him, and he stayed kicking.
44:38
Speaker 14: Let's try and get out. And he kept rolling. So
44:41
Speaker 14: ended up putting as a pillows there and I put
44:44
Speaker 14: a pillow in the back of his head so he
44:45
Speaker 14: wouldn't pick me.
44:46
Speaker 8: In the back of his head.
44:47
Speaker 14: And I reached around with my hands and held his
44:51
Speaker 14: nose in his mouth. And he kept rolling and kicking
44:55
Speaker 14: the hole and kicking and the fencery.
44:58
Speaker 2: He is just brimming with love for his family, trying
45:04
Speaker 2: to think of just the right way to murder them,
45:06
Speaker 2: including his wife.
45:08
Speaker 11: I couldn't help my wife pass. I felt a failure.
45:13
Speaker 11: I wasn't there the night my kids had died. I
45:15
Speaker 11: felt a failure. I decided that I wanted to be
45:19
Speaker 11: with my family, that I wanted to die, that I
45:22
Speaker 11: deserve to die. I loved my wife, I loved my kids.
45:26
Speaker 11: They were first and foremost in my life.
45:30
Speaker 1: I did not do this. Yes you did do it.
45:36
Speaker 2: You killed your entire family, but you couldn't kill yourself.
45:42
Speaker 1: Listen.
45:43
Speaker 14: So then it came to me then maybe asked. I
45:47
Speaker 14: waited a day or two to make sure everything they
45:49
Speaker 14: were right past.
45:50
Speaker 13: I'm sure the house is all said, and that has.
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Speaker 14: Something, So that's why they started and started tried.
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Speaker 5: To contain myself.
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Speaker 14: Ums tire on the neck, so anything that was irritated.
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Speaker 13: My thought I couldn't get on the cry.
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Speaker 14: Of hard race was my neck is too big.
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Speaker 13: I'm gonna try to you.
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Speaker 14: Hang over the edge of the deads. I was trying
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Speaker 14: to figure out how to go through and fall the
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Speaker 14: knife phone.
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Speaker 10: The right direction to.
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Speaker 15: It was into my.
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Speaker 14: Stow my duy first.
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Speaker 2: Really it irritated his neck when he tried to hang himself.
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Speaker 1: Sidney Sumner, what about the purchase of a gun.
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Speaker 4: So there's a receipt that proved that Tote purchased a
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Speaker 4: gun five days after his family was last seen at
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Speaker 4: that Christmas concert, But it was just a pellet gun,
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Speaker 4: and investigators determined that Tote did shoot himself with this
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Speaker 4: gun twice. But it obviously wasn't fatal.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Sidney, he shot himself with a pellet gun. Okay,
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Speaker 2: So somehow he managed to murder his entire family and
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Speaker 2: the family dog. But he decided to kill himself with
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Speaker 2: a pellet gun. And as you can see, he's still
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Speaker 2: very much alive.
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Speaker 1: SHERYLN.
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Speaker 2: Catle, you know him, What light can you shed on
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Speaker 2: his personality?
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Speaker 1: What drove him to this?
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Speaker 9: He's he was just in over his head so much,
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Speaker 9: and I think it meant of the very This is
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Speaker 9: a common thread that I'm finding with a lot of
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Speaker 9: these family annihilators. They really care what people think of them.
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Speaker 9: They want to He was very well liked in Connecticut.
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Speaker 9: He had the two physical therapy businesses. He was so
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Speaker 9: well liked by his patients. They raved about him actually,
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Speaker 9: about how much they loved him. And they were so
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Speaker 9: beyunshocked when they found out that he did this, And
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Speaker 9: so I think he was just so in over his head.
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Speaker 9: One of his loans was on more than one hundred
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Speaker 9: thousand dollars. He had accumulated a half of a million
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Speaker 9: dollars in debts just from taking out different loans, one
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Speaker 9: loan to cover another loan, and this loan to cover
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Speaker 9: that loan, and I don't think Megan knew anything about
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Speaker 9: these loans. I think he did this on his own,
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Speaker 9: and then he got in over his head. His credit
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Speaker 9: line dried up and he had nowhere to go. He
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Speaker 9: started being dishonest with his Medicare billing Medicare or Medicaid billing.
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Speaker 9: He was billing them and when services had not been rendered.
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Speaker 9: So I think for Anthony, he just really cared an
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Speaker 9: awful lot about what people thought.
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Speaker 1: Of them and.
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Speaker 9: Just couldn't take it anymore and decided to kill his
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Speaker 9: whole family. And at that point maybe to get sympathy
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Speaker 9: from people. I don't know. If you want to kill yourself,
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Speaker 9: you can't do it any other way. Take the knife
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Speaker 9: that you killed your family with and slit your own wrists.
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Speaker 9: But he's so narcissistic and a true narcissist. I don't
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Speaker 9: believe wants to ever harm themselves. I think it's all
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Speaker 9: about protecting themselves.
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Speaker 2: And even now suing from behind bars signing the FBI
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Speaker 2: REGs and the US Postmaster General regulations that once a
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Speaker 2: letter is stamped and sealed, it's under the jurisdiction of
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Speaker 2: the US and cannot be opened. By anyone other than
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Speaker 2: its intended target. He's actually suing for nine point nine
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Speaker 2: million dollars, claiming his mail has been opened at the
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Speaker 2: jail and leaked to the media. FYI, we're not reading
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Speaker 2: your mail. Why do family annihilators do what they do
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Speaker 2: what drives them? Of course, the state never has to
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Speaker 2: prove motive, but you can't help but wonder why when
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Speaker 2: you think of this family gone forever. Nancy Gray signing off,
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Speaker 2: goodbye friend,