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Barry Stagner: The Need For Discernment In Days Of Depravity · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Hey, friends. Welcome to World View Matters. Before we jump in with today's guest, pastor Barry Stagner
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  I want to share some scripture to encourage us because we're going to be talking about a lot of different things today and some of it is potentially
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  Challenging, right? So I'm over to Hebrews chapter 12
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  starting in verse two
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  Fixing our eyes on Jesus the author and
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  Perfector of our faith who for the joy set before him endured the cross
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  despising the shame and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God for consider him who endured such hostility by sinners
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  Against himself so that you will not grow weary and lose heart
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  More coming up next
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  Welcome to World View Matters discussing controversial issues
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  discerning current events
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  Defending biblical Christianity no topic off limits and now here's your host David Fierazzo
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  Friends, we're so blessed and I think I know you you know that by the guests we have on this program and
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  Like today as well pastor Barry Stagner of Calvary Chapel in Tuston, California now his book the time of the signs
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  That's available. I want to send you to his website Barry Stagner.com
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  He also has a page over at our friends Harbinger's Daily
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  Dot com. He's got an author page there. He puts you know they put their videos up there that he does and his YouTube channel
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  The truth about God
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  The truth about God on YouTube. We're gonna talk about a couple of the programs he's done there recently and his Facebook page
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  You can look him up Barry Stagner look up pastor Barry Stagner on Facebook. You can see what he's been working on recently and of course
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  His beautiful family a photo from a few weeks ago brother. Thank you for your time today. So good to see you again
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  Thank you David always a pleasure to be on with you
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  Thank you, sir. So let's talk about your recent project with Amir you decided to do something a little different
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  Please tell us about it and how people can stream or watch
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  Well, we have been doing each of our individual programs. He was doing a Middle East update
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  I was doing a program called the lineup and he texted me I don't know a couple months ago and said hey
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  Why don't we join forces and just put together a program?
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  All the Middle East and beyond and we can talk about all the things happening in Israel
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  But then expand things out into the rest of the world
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  You know, there's a lot of prophetic signs out there that are non-Israel related
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  You know that Jesus talked about Matthew 24-3 to 8 and
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  Includes some of those and then the final portion of the program is
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  20 minutes of taking questions
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  You can find this on my YouTube channel. You can find it on the pastor Barry Stagner Facebook page
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  You can find it on the whole Israel's platforms
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  They're their Facebook page and YouTube channel as well and it's been been very well received
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  And we have a great time together. So thank you David for that. Oh, not a problem
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  I want to dive into this a little bit just a little bit further because I love the title in the one from last week
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  Panic in the deep state now Barry
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  Most of us are fed up with the deep state and when you hear something like what panic is is is
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  The Trump administration getting to them. Are they you know rooting them out?
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  Just give us a little teaser on what you guys talked about
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  Well, the story the foundation for the story was Marine Le Pen in France having been you know on Monday convicted of
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  Embezzlement and it was you know part of the phrase but it was trumped up charges and you know
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  It really wasn't that she was embezzling money to
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  You know build her purse or anything like that
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  You know she they were saying that she was supposed to use money that came from the EU
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  To have some of her assistants attend EU meetings and that she used them you know for her own party and paid the assistance through that and all that
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  So, you know, we see this you know in Brazil we see this happening in Romania, you know where people who are far right so to speak
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  Are having charges leveled at them and she was basically forbidden from running for office for five years
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  And she was a leading candidate. She was by far
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  Of the most popular candidate heading for the elections in France in
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  2027 so you know basically, I think what the the premise of the story
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  Is really about some of the tactics that are now being employed
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  By the far left to make sure that they hold on to power a lot of like what we're seeing
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  In our own country today
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  So you mentioned France when when people tend well when people hear deep state
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  I think a lot of people tend to think of America because we know
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  You know Joe Biden was not running the country for four years
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  Who was and I think we're still getting to those answers maybe we'll find out maybe we won't but
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  Give are you talking about the you and the world economic forum
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  When you talk about the deep state because you just mentioned France because most people think of just here in America
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  Yeah, when you've got you know organizations like the world economic forum that
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  And cloud Schwab and the others that are participants there. They all have a single mindset and that is globalism
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  Yeah, and you're just having one core
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  Group running everything on the planet and we do know that's coming and that will happen during the tribulation
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  After the church is gone, but yeah, it's way bigger than us and David
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  I think one of the things that we especially as Americans need to keep in mind
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  We account for about 3.5% of the total world population
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  So
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  You know sorry America, but the world does not revolve around us
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  And there's a lot of people out there that are are falling for this globalist mentality
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  And and basically the the bottom line is what they're really pushing for is any egalitarian society
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  Where everybody has the same thing nobody has any more than anyone else and you know because the pen
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  Was you know standing against the wokeism that we see
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  That's rampant in our world today. Hey other left said she's got to go much like they've tried to do with Trump and all the charges leveled against him
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  Got the same thing going on in Israel the only democracy
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  In the Middle East, you know, there's got you know the far left people the judicial activism
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  That's happening there on elsewhere are trying to take out the right
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  Through their deceptive tactics
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  Interesting the parallel you mentioned, you know obviously against their against Netanyahu
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  With America and Israel there's a parallel with the left against the right, you know
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  And who's who's got power and and the games that they're playing
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  Didn't they didn't they try to take Netanyahu to court and try to get him out of you say the same thing you know law fair here right
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  Yeah, same same tactic going on and you know
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  I think one of the things we have to remember david and this too is biblical
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  You know, it's interesting if you read that magnificent book of Isaiah
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  66 chapters. It's it's always been curious to be that he starts with the end of the story
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  He starts talking about the millennium and he starts talking about the tribulation early in chapters 2 to 5 where you know
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  He mentions at the time that the Lord shakes the earth
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  Says he rises to shake the earth and that the Lord will give the world
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  Children for their princes now. I think that is you know figurative. I don't think that we're literally going to have
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  You know 12 year olds running the globe. I think what he's talking about is incompetent leadership
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  And we see that all over the world and these who are incompetent morally and
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  Some of them mentally
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  You know there they're
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  pushing their agenda
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  Through illegal means. I mean, you know, we see it other countries are seeing it
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  People who are operating outside of their own constitutions
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  And you know declared laws and just to hold on to power
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  Or regain power whatever the case may be even as we've seen you know so many things that doge
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  Has exposed and the the billions of billions of dollars
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  That have been wasted and you know, it was if it's curious. I just saw headlines today
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  That the doge is going to begin to investigate
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  How people making
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  176 or 178,000 dollars a year
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  Now have 50 60 million bucks in the bank when their job was to be a senator or congressperson
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  So you know again
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  We live in a very corrupt society
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  Which is exactly when Jesus said it was going to be like
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  As it was in the days of Noah the earth was corrupt before gone
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  Man, they are ruffling feathers aren't they?
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  Yeah, isn't it telling uh berry
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  That all this is being uncovered and exposed this corruption and massive and it's gone on for
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  Years we don't know how many years all of this the taxpayer dollars going to things that most Americans whether you're
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  A democratic republican most Americans probably wouldn't support
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  But yet the left is coming against the messenger rather than saying hey, we're so glad you're finding this out
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  Isn't that telling what what should the American what what should Christians
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  Think about that because this is truly something that is corrupt
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  It's truly something that is is wrong that they're doing that they're taking our money and using it for things
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  First of all that don't benefit America
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  But that we don't give approval we vote we vote in elections and we don't approve it. We want to prove of this
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  So what does your what which is what what were your thoughts on the fact that um
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  The left is almost doubling down and they're not they don't have an issue
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  They don't seem to have an issue with the corruption but the people that are exposing it
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  Well, yeah, there is just bizarre and it's part of what I think the Lord said would come in the last days
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  And that is delusional thinking it just doesn't make any sense
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  To shoot the messenger, you know like the old uh, I think it's a movie line. Don't shoot me. I'm only the piano player
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  You know, I mean it's just you know, I'm just doing what I'm supposed to do and you know
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  You know take the Tesla issue David. I think it's it's a very revealing about the thinking process or lack of it in those who are
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  Keying Teslas and starting you know the Teslas on fire at dealerships and all that
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  You know, all they're doing is selling more Teslas
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  Because the insurance companies who are ensuring these things are going to have to replace them with the same making model
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  You know that they're destroying sometimes that doesn't matter time
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  So these people I'm thinking these things through have the size of fact that the one that they're harming
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  Is not Elon Musk they're harming the individual or the owner of the dealership that's right again
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  It just doesn't make any sense and yet things that don't make sense or the order of the day today
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  There's a lot of hypocrisy going on
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  But that that is laughable because these people are again saving the planet or they're all they're for saving the planet and the environmental movement
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  Yeah, go Tesla and you know that a lot of these car owners are Democrats are lefties and it's very the very safe people
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  They're coming against
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  People in their own party on their own side so to speak oh delusion
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  I think you use the right word buried because there is
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  We then this reminds us of the spiritual dynamic underlying all this there is just some demonic activity
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  Some people are whether you call it oppressed or possessed
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  But remember Jesus said if you're not forming you're against me so that the other spirit that is not the Holy Spirit
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  That's influencing some of these people
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  We're seeing like like you said the fruit of it
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  So
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  One more thing I wanted to ask you about before we just continue the conversation you have another
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  A program or video you just started doing called take five
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  Tell us about that that can be found on your YouTube channel the truth about God
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  Yeah, you know David. It's always been on my heart. I you know, I care about the people in the church
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  And you know, there's there's multitudes of warnings in the New Testament about false prophets
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  And you know Jesus in the opening letter to the churches in Revelation
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  He told the church at Ephesus that he was you know, he commended them
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  Or testing those who say they're apostles and they're not and I found them to be liars
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  So what I'm what I'm doing on this program and take five is just
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  Meaning we're gonna take a brief amount of time and talk about a major issue within churchdom or a difficult passage of scripture and today
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  There's a program launched this morning at 10 a.m. A Pacific and we talked about
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  Modern day apostles and prophets. What's the Bible? I'm just say
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  About this new epistolic reformation and others who are laying claim to being an apostle today
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  In the like this of Peter James John Nathaniel Bartolomew
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  And the others and what about prophets
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  You know, the Bible says clearly that he gave some to be apostles and prophets
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  But I think what a lot of people don't pay attention to is the fact that these were the foundation for their church
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  And the foundation has now been laid and now we live in the age of the evangelist the pastor the teacher
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  Who are equipping the saints for the work of ministry according to Ephesians for us
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  So it's just a brief program this morning was about 17 minutes
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  And you know made some introductory statements, but you know probably 10 12 minutes a week
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  Gonna talk about some of the hard stuff we find in scripture and happening in their church today
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  So thank you for that David now the problem that sounds good now you I we need to go back when we've got to take a brief pause when we come back
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  You mentioned something before we got on the show today, but something you and Amir Sarfati
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  We're talking about with AI
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  And my question is are people going to start replacing the wonderful counselor
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  Jesus with
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  Something like AI and unfortunately the answer is yes
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  Barry is going to explain that when we come right back on worldview matters
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  Before we get to that AI
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  Just just amazing what's going on and how fast it's moving how fast it's happening
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  You mentioned you what you talked about in your take five about NAR
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  I had Holly Pivic on a week or two ago and we talked unfortunately about
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  Paula white and some people in the White House faith office
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  Now I'm glad that President Trump is has a faith office. I'm glad he believes in religious freedom
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  He wants to protect Christians and Gladys pro-Israel and Gladys
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  He he understands somewhat the biblical world view
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  But we have some issues with some of the people in that
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  Faith office would you care to speak at all to about Paula white Paula white cane
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  Well, you know, I think the the main problem is just her doctrine
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  And you know besides the fact and and I want to open again a word for you David
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  But you know the issue of her you know and the female pastor thing and all that
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  But you know beyond that just the the doctrines of the
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  The word faith movement that are reaching near the president. So he's hearing things
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  That aren't true and you know, this is problematic and you know
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  Yeah, we should participate and I think it's very strange on the other end
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  You know that there are so many people that say Christians are not to be involved in politics and you know
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  I think the the bizarre part about that David is
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  Roman 13 says that
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  The government is an institution
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  That was initiated by God
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  It's a divine ordinance and those who participate in government are you know
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  The Lord goes as far in Roman 13 to call them his ministers
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  Now why would God initiate an institution or not want as people involved in it?
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  I think you know a lot of the problems we see in our country today
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  Are for the lack of involvement and people not standing up and saying hey, you know what this this
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  Need to get fixed to this we need to get into game and participate in some type of governmental level
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  To make sure that the voices that are heard in the ears of the people in high office are accurate and biblically based
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  So yeah, I think Paul a white, you know is
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  Is not a good candidate for having that type of influence over the most powerful man in the world and here's
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  Part of the issue we see pictures of people praying for the present which is wonderful and there might be
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  At least a dozen if not 20 some people around him you don't know who all these people are you don't know what they're
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  Doctrine is
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  But so yeah, we need to pray for wisdom and discernment for President Trump and his administration and if the right people
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  Would have his ear the right people would have influenced but buried before run out of time you you mentioned this
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  New AI or how people are using AI and we've been talking a little bit more about that recently on this program
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  But oh my goodness when right when you think
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  There's there's a way that it's being used that you go wow
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  That's kind of sad go ahead and share this idea where people are going to AI for answers
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  Well, it's actually from an article in the New England Journal of Medicine and they were quoting from a psychiatry today
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  article that they had participated in and it was introducing something that is known as a therobot
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  You know, there's all kinds of chatbots out there
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  But this one was a therapeutic therapist basically
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  bot and you know there's 280 million people around the world the article said that battle
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  Some type of depression or anxiety disorder and people are turning to this chatbot this therobot
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  And it is giving them answers and information
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  That the people are reporting that after two or three sessions with a
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  artificial intelligence that they're beginning to feel much better about themselves and you know
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  I think the the the prophetic aspect of this David
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  Is there's going to be an image that is man-made
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  During the tribulation that people are going to have an emotional attachment to and I think all these things are
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  Feeding into the tribulation people those who will be aligned during that time
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  And this is just normalizing a relationship with something that's artificially intelligent and you know not at all
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  Comparable to the wisdom that comes from above
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  That is first pure and can only come from God
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  So I thought of the major major development
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  Regarding artificial intelligence and the contributions that will make during the
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  Tribulence in period
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  Isn't that interesting? Yes, there is a need mental health issues are I mean suit the suicide attempt
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  Raiders off the charts young people are confused on purpose by the enemy
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  But isn't that just like the enemy to to use a counterfeit
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  To replace a relationship with that people could have with God who is Jesus the wonderful counselor and send them to this
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  Too artificial intelligence
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  That's just like the enemy isn't it
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  That really is you know the the the thing I think that's interesting about this David is there settling for so little
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  And you know, we have this feelings and emotion oriented society society
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  That doesn't really care about facts and you know when I was reading this article that the first thing that came to my mind
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  Is that they they mentioned you know how was making
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  Them feel and the difference with the relationship with Christ is it doesn't just change how you feel
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  It changes who you are
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  You've become a new creation in Christ and all things have passed away
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  He gives you new desires and you know, one of the things that we're promised that Paul talked about the Timothy and second Timothy
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  17 is that God has not given us the spirit of fear
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  Meaning anxiousness or any anxieties, but a power love and a sound mind. So you know
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  They're settling for so little and I think that's one of the shames of it all
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  But it's preparatory for what's going to happen during the tribulation
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  When the world all the earth dwellers are going to bow before a man made image
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  Yeah, amen
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  We're running out of time quickly in the last five minutes, you know resurrection sundays coming up
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  um
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  And we love to celebrate this time of year week christmas is important the word became flesh
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  And that's just so wonderful the prophecies about Jesus and his birth and then he lived his life, but then
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  Resurrection weekend starting with the death
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  On the cross barrels and his his resurrection
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  We've mentioned Isaiah 53 a little bit before the podcast and I just wanted to have you share any any of your thoughts on
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  Scriptures as it relates to Jesus fulfilling prophecy why so many people don't want to look at that
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  um and how we can maybe be more effective this year
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  sharing the truth the gospel of the truth of the resurrection
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  Yeah, I think that's that's one of the things that is said today
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  In much of the church David as people are paying attention to Bible prophecy
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  People don't want to hear about it and yet you've got passages like you
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  Just mentioned in Isaiah 53 that is just
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  Dripping with prophetic information, you know at the time it was written
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  And that's one of the things I think we need to underscore with the non-believers out there
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  Is that what Isaiah said was written 700 years before any of it happened
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  He talked about a man who was going to come
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  Who would be despised and rejected by men? He talked about a man who you know would
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  Uh
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  Be killed in one manner and then like a criminal and then buried among the rich and you know Jesus
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  You know, but then it also says that he would see is seed in other words
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  He would see the end result of his death which implies his resurrection. So you know to overlook these things
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  I think is a grave injustice
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  Especially to the church. I like what you said at the beginning because at Christmas
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  I always include the Eastern story because it's the reason for the Christmas story. Yes exactly all one story
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  You know, he became flesh and dwelt among us and as John said in 14 we beheld his glory
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  As he only begotten of the Father full of grace and truth and Jesus, you know, even when he was rebuked about
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  Peter especially, you know, Lord don't talk like that and
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  Jesus, you know said get behind me Satan
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  You know because this is the reason he came he came to die for the sense world
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  And you know the pairing of these two stories are just a wonderful reality
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  That so many people miss
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  Simply because they've never really heard the old truth
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  It's powerful. That's why we live. That's why we're still alive today. Um, otherwise the Lord will take us home
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  Friends, I just want to encourage you to
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  Just really be praying as we get close to resurrection Sunday
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  That's such a time where more people go to church that don't typically go to church
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  On Easter and Christmas. Of course, they might celebrate eggs or bunny rabbits or the story in quotes, right?
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  But we know it's true history. It's true biblical history and the tomb is still empty last time I checked
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  I can't find anybody that has proven otherwise right Barry
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  Ha ha
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  Absolutely and one of the things I like about that aspect is
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  You know that the stone was a role the way to let Jesus out. It was a role the way to let us in
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  So we could see the
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  indisputable proof that he is alive forever more and you know that I love what you read about Hebrews
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  David because you know inside the most holy place
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  Where the high priest would go in and minister once a year there was no chair
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  Uh, and that was because their work was never finished
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  And when you mention that Jesus sat down at the right end of majesty on high
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  That indicates that what is necessary to save the human soul is a completed work
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  And Easter and the events beyond it
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  Are proof that Jesus is the way the truth in the life and no one comes to the father but by him
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  Amen brother. Amen
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  A lot of gods a lot of religions one empty tomb
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  eyewitness testimonies
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  Bible prophecy fulfilled prophecies right all just there's so much evidence that as one book was written years ago
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  evidence that demands a verdict
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  So I think a good question people can ask when we're out in public talking to people even your your waiter waitress or wherever you go is
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  What if G's everything Jesus said were true and what if the Bible were true? Would you become a Christian
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  And then if they say no then while they're not open to the truth we know we can move on but if you know
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  Barry thank you for your time. Thank you for your minister. I can't imagine. I mean
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  How busy you are with all that you're doing but um we appreciate you very much
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  Always a pleasure to be with you David. Thank you forever me. All right. God bless your brother happy resurrection Sunday coming up
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  So friends, I'd encourage you to read Isaiah 53
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  Go to first Corinthians 15 read the first couple books of in the books of that in the book of Acts first couple chapters
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  I just get familiar with those appearances that that evidence that prophecy fulfilled prophecy
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  Anyway, it got to run God bless you and as always keep speaking the truth about things that matter
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  You