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Speaker 1: He's the reform it.
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Speaker 2: Tonight, Lord Jeffrey Archer on his latest thriller and the
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Speaker 2: madness of Western leaders today. Plus a Jewish academic has
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Speaker 2: his office stormed by mass pro Palestinian protesters. He wants
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Speaker 2: looking more and more like something out of Nazi Germany.
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Speaker 2: But also tonight our new apartheid, a birthing hospital just
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Speaker 2: for Aborigines, and a sinister new guide for judges that
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Speaker 2: tells them treat Aboriginies like victims of colonial oppression and
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Speaker 2: treat Muslim defendants differently too, an excuse if they're just on,
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Speaker 2: you know, a ghad. Unbelievable. But first, these allegations today
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Speaker 2: against Deputy Prime Minister Richard Miles, who is also our
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Speaker 2: Defense minister, bombshell allegations. We're told how Miles drove his
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Speaker 2: female chiuvusaf out of a job after she complained she'd
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Speaker 2: been bullied by other staff. And of course, with the
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Speaker 2: story of a woman wronged, how can the media resist
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Speaker 2: who dares to say, hang on, this doesn't quite smell right.
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Speaker 3: During the flight home from an official trip to Ukraine
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Speaker 3: in late April, I raised concerns privately with the Deputy
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister about some bullying behavior within the office. He
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Speaker 3: acknowledged the concerns, restated the value he placed in me
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Speaker 3: and my work, and said we should have a chat
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Speaker 3: about it. However, when we returned to Australia, he called
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Speaker 3: me and in direct response to the concerns I had raised,
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Speaker 3: he made it clear that I should start looking for
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Speaker 3: alternative employment. Any of my attempts to resolve the issue
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Speaker 3: or to discuss it in person were refused. I know
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Speaker 3: it won't be long now before I am bullied out
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Speaker 3: of this place completely.
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Speaker 2: Gosh, what awful bullying was this? This chief of staff
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Speaker 2: Joe Tronofsky and her lawyer didn't actually say today, despite
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Speaker 2: being asked three times, all we were told was that
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Speaker 2: the bullying wasn't by Miles himself, who has always struck
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Speaker 2: me as a nice guy, was allegedly by other staff,
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Speaker 2: but Miles hadn't taken her side, the brute.
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Speaker 3: I have been plagued with nightmares, flashbacks, symptoms of depression
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Speaker 3: and anxiety, panic attacks, and suicidal thoughts. The way that
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Speaker 3: I have been treated has been cowardly, cruel and completely unnecessary.
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Speaker 2: Okay, and of course there's the apparent hypocrisy, the karma
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Speaker 2: that's coming for this government.
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Speaker 4: You see.
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Speaker 2: I remember when a former Liberal Defense Ministerlinda Reynolds, also
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Speaker 2: had staff complaining of being treated badly at Britney Higgins
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Speaker 2: claimed she'd been treated terribly bullied really when she allegedly
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Speaker 2: old Reynolds and other senior staff she'd been raped. Now
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Speaker 2: judges he has said his claim of a cover up
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Speaker 2: of staff and bosses trying to bully Hiddens into shutting
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Speaker 2: up about that rape were unfounded. But the Labor opposition
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Speaker 2: back then under Anthony alban Easy it treated these false
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Speaker 2: cover up claims as true. Who dares stoubt a woman
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Speaker 2: and smashed the Morrison government and put the Defense Minster
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Speaker 2: in hospital with the stress, and Albin Easy preached about
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Speaker 2: the need, especially under the wicked Liberals, to treat women's
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Speaker 2: staff better.
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Speaker 5: We owe a dead of gratitude to everyone in this building,
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Speaker 5: as well as every former staff member who stepped up
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Speaker 5: to share their experiences of workplace bullying. I also acknowledge,
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Speaker 5: particularly the women who bravely stood up and called out
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Speaker 5: a culture of mistreatment that brought this issue into the light,
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Speaker 5: and I particularly paid tribute to the courage of Britney Higgins.
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Speaker 2: But today that boomerang came back with Joetonovsky demanding Albanezi
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Speaker 2: step in and helped this allegedly bullied woman. Although I
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Speaker 2: was already wondering, here is the chief of staff who
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Speaker 2: apparently can't get on with some of her staff. Isn't
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Speaker 2: it really a sign, I mean, only a sign that
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Speaker 2: maybe this role is not for her? In fact, it
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Speaker 2: turns out that after a nearly disastrous trip with Richard
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Speaker 2: Miles the Ukraine, we were a schedule had to be
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Speaker 2: scrambled together last minute. Tanovsky offended some fellow's staff by
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Speaker 2: allegedly not communicating properly with them, dumping some from the
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Speaker 2: last leg of the trip, and a lawyer was asked
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Speaker 2: about that today or.
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Speaker 6: Did she come to this with Queen Haagens. Yes, there
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Speaker 6: she did not believe you the staff of herself.
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Speaker 7: And nobody's ever suggested that did.
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Speaker 6: Not cut off any access to the minister and stopped
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Speaker 6: staffers from sat speaking to the minister. No such she
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Speaker 6: did not tell, don't talk to the minister without talking
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Speaker 6: to me first going through him.
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Speaker 3: No such concern has been raised with her.
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Speaker 2: Look, maybe I sound too hard, but I do wonder,
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Speaker 2: like I wondered with Brittney Higgins had a very different case.
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Speaker 2: I know or like with Higgins's colleague Bruce lam And
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Speaker 2: also working in the Defense Minister's office. He was found
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Speaker 2: by a court this year to have raped her Higgins
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Speaker 2: on the balance of probabilities. Are these the staff it
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Speaker 2: actually hoped to see in the office of the Minister
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Speaker 2: for the Defense of this country? It's Anoski's case, engaged
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Speaker 2: in a bit of brawl, with mutinous staff claiming suicidal thoughts,
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Speaker 2: even telling us today she hadn't cooperated with the opening
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Speaker 2: of her safe in her office. Now to her personally,
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Speaker 2: I mean she's clearly distressed. I am sympathetic, she needs help,
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Speaker 2: And Miles today seemed genuinely upset that someone who had
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Speaker 2: worked for him for more than a decade was now
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Speaker 2: someone who couldn't have in his office.
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Speaker 8: Is the Deputy Prime Minister satisfied that he has complied
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Speaker 8: with his obligations under the coat?
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Speaker 9: The short answer the question is I am. I am satisfied.
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Speaker 8: I feel deeply sad that events have got to where
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Speaker 8: they have. This is obviously very difficult.
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Speaker 1: Now let me.
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Speaker 8: Say that in the way in which I've tried to
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Speaker 8: manage this, I have done so with Joe's welfare in
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Speaker 8: mind at every moment.
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Speaker 9: But this matter is now in the hands of lawyers,
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Speaker 9: and of course that is absolutely Joe's right.
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Speaker 2: Naturally, the government's enemies are going to be tempted to
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Speaker 2: use this case to glow to stick to beat the government,
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Speaker 2: just like just like Labor use Britney Higgins false cover
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Speaker 2: up claims to smash the Liberals. But the Liberals did
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Speaker 2: today restrain themselves. And I'm not going to weaponize these
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Speaker 2: allegations against males either. I've always preferred fairness to playing
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Speaker 2: that kind of punitive politics. So today I thought the
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Speaker 2: real scandal was in fact in the first question that
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Speaker 2: the Opposition asked Miles in question time today, where he
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Speaker 2: stood in his acting Prime Minister while Anthony Albanezi was
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Speaker 2: in Laos.
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Speaker 9: I actually wasn't aware of that fact in relation to
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Speaker 9: Dan Kiern. And that is a very sad set of affairs.
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Speaker 8: We get that Australians are doing it tough in the
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Speaker 8: global pandemic and the aftermath of it disrupted supply chains,
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Speaker 8: global crises.
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Speaker 9: What that has seen is.
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Speaker 8: Inflation impacting countries around the world and Australia has not
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Speaker 8: been immune from that.
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Speaker 2: Is that where the government's economic bungling a is lefters.
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Speaker 2: We're a man who risked his life for this country,
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Speaker 2: who won our top medal for bravery, must now sell
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Speaker 2: that medal to look after his kids, family members whose
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Speaker 2: health is poor. His elderly now males in his answer
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Speaker 2: said oh, that's very sad. I'm sure he means it,
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Speaker 2: But he went on with the old excuses. Oh, it's
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Speaker 2: the rest of the world that's causing this economic pain
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Speaker 2: to us. Not a word about what the government has
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Speaker 2: done itself to keep inflation too high for too long,
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Speaker 2: the wild spending, the crazy global warming schemes making power
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Speaker 2: so expensive, the green tape strangling development, the new union
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Speaker 2: rules killing productivity. So I give Mars a pass on
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Speaker 2: this bullying claim absolutely, but his government, with this cost,
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Speaker 2: that live in crisis, that stands condemned. Joining me is
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Speaker 2: our Thursday Regular Nationals front bench of Barnaby Joyce, the
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Speaker 2: former Deputy Prime Minister Babby Joyce. This claims against Richard Miles.
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Speaker 4: Your take, well, ah, look, I know that there's a
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Speaker 4: solacious curiosity in abundance out there, but I will be
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Speaker 4: the last one to participate in that. Wouldn't I but
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Speaker 4: what I will, what I am very interested in, is
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Speaker 4: the national security issues that are pertinent to this. That
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Speaker 4: the chief of staff, let's just take the names out
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Speaker 4: of the chief of staff apparently for months has been
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Speaker 4: working in a separate office. Therefore, the person with the
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Speaker 4: highest security clearance away from the minister has been working
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Speaker 4: in a separate office.
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Speaker 7: Now, I'm very aware of this job.
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Speaker 4: You have a safe and you have documents of the
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Speaker 4: most sensitive nature that is in that office.
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Speaker 7: So who was.
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Speaker 4: Looking after them? Who was putting them away at night?
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Speaker 4: Who was sweeping the desks and putting them away at night?
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Speaker 4: Did they have the appropriate clearance to be able to
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Speaker 4: do that job? I hope nobody else was doing it.
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Speaker 4: They didn't have the appropriate clearance. How do we satisfy
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Speaker 4: ourselves that whilst this was happening, that the absolute exact
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Speaker 4: protocols of what was supposed to happen in regards to
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Speaker 4: security of documents within that office and the knowledge of
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Speaker 4: events within that office was absolutely by the book and
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Speaker 4: had not been compromised in some way, shape or form
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Speaker 4: by extraneous circumstances which should never affect the National Security Committee.
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Speaker 4: The document's pertinent to it or secrets of this nation.
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Speaker 2: Well, you make a good point that she raised too.
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Speaker 2: She said they'd rung her. Acting chief of staff had
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Speaker 2: rung her to say, what's the combination of your safe
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Speaker 2: where there are those documents? And she wouldn't give it.
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Speaker 2: She said, Look, if I can't go into the office,
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Speaker 2: I've got a personal responsibility here. I can't just hand
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Speaker 2: it over like that.
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Speaker 7: So you can't just hand out the.
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Speaker 4: The code for the National Security Committements documents.
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Speaker 7: Sorry, it's bizarre.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well the whole thing is weird. But like I say,
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Speaker 2: on the bullying claim itself, I don't know. I'd like
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Speaker 2: to have.
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Speaker 7: Jenkins will Port will handle over that. I mean, whatever
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Speaker 7: whatever will be will be.
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Speaker 4: And that's you know, that's something that does that affect
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Speaker 4: the security of the nation or the operation of the nation.
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Speaker 7: No, not really, but.
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Speaker 4: Things pertinent to the absolute exact to the line following
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Speaker 4: on the protocol around the most sensitive documents of this nation.
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Speaker 7: Remember it's the Minister for Defense, not only the deputy
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Speaker 7: Chair of the National Security Committee, but also the Minister
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Speaker 7: of Defense.
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Speaker 4: And you can bet your life your ass all these
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Speaker 4: issues are that.
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Speaker 7: That is what you should be very interested in.
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Speaker 2: We shall see what we shall see Barnaby Joyce. I
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Speaker 2: note that farmers who want to get the meat industry's
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Speaker 2: livestock production assurance have to answer this question. Do your
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Speaker 2: livestock have access to leaking electrical transformers, capacitors, hydraulic equipment,
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Speaker 2: solar panels, wind turbines? Why I solar panels and wind
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Speaker 2: turbines a risk factor when raising livestock.
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Speaker 7: Because you is this amazing?
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Speaker 4: Not only are they a desecration of the landscape whilst
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Speaker 4: they're they're they're also a mechanism to basically infect the
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Speaker 4: landscape with toxic material. You have microplastics and another form
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Speaker 4: of chemical that comes.
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Speaker 7: From the blades, the blades that are spinning around.
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Speaker 4: They can shed areb up to sixty kilograms of this
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Speaker 4: material a year. And not only does this fall on
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Speaker 4: the pastures, which if our cattle eat it, if it's
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Speaker 4: a neighbor and falls on my pastures, my cattle eat it.
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Speaker 4: I'm out, I'm outside the accreditation. Now, if these things
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Speaker 4: are at sea, what happens is the fish eat it,
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Speaker 4: and then you and then people catch the fish. And
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Speaker 4: from the solar panels of cadmium lead are they saying
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Speaker 4: the things.
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Speaker 7: That are obvious.
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Speaker 4: Yet in the propaganda for these swindle factories, we have
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Speaker 4: frolicking sheep and happy cattle and farmers with big hats on.
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Speaker 4: And it's also marvelous and wonderful. It's also bs have
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Speaker 4: a something that is toxic in set you and a
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Speaker 4: thing that degrades the land environmentally whilst it's there, intoxicates
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Speaker 4: that it brings a form of toxic waste of the land.
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Speaker 4: No one's prepared to pull it down and pay for
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Speaker 4: it to pull down. It's intermittent, it doesn't work, it
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Speaker 4: doesn't work. It forces a price of power through the roof.
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Speaker 4: Not one country on Earth. Their major manufacturers want to move.
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Speaker 4: If it's such a great idea, would have major manif
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Speaker 4: for Boeing, Subaru, Panasonic, but none want to move here.
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Speaker 2: Look, make a lot of arguments I agree with. I've
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Speaker 2: got to still see how toxic these really are just
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Speaker 2: quickly bound to be Joyce. Senator Fatima Payman, who got
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Speaker 2: elected as a labor senator as you know, quit labor
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Speaker 2: wasn't tough enough on guards, she said, started her own
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Speaker 2: political party yesterday. Refuse from the ABC last night to
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Speaker 2: call the November seven massacre of Jews and rapes an
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Speaker 2: act of terrorism. Senator pulling Hands is now asking if
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Speaker 2: Payment was born in Afghanistan. Actually, it's entitled under the
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Speaker 2: constitution to be in parliament and start this party, which
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Speaker 2: he hasn't renounced her Afghan citizenship. Now the Hard Court said, well, look,
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Speaker 2: you are excuse if you tried to give up your
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Speaker 2: second citizenship and couldn't, And Payment said she couldn't because
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Speaker 2: Afghanistan was in turmoil at the time Talaman coming in.
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Speaker 2: But now there is a government there, shouldn't she try again?
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Speaker 2: Shouldn't the Hard Court look at this if she's qualified?
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Speaker 4: And I certainly looked at me, didn't they. I was
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Speaker 4: a person who went to I was born in Tamworth.
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Speaker 4: My great grandmother was born in Tamworth, or great great
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Speaker 4: grandmother one.
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Speaker 7: Hundred years before me. In eighteen sixty seven.
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Speaker 4: I'd been to New Zealand for like four days of
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Speaker 4: my life or five days of my life for a funeral.
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Speaker 4: My father wasn't a New Zealander, hadn't been since about
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Speaker 4: nineteen to seventy nine. My mother certainly wasn't a New Zealander,
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Speaker 4: but I apparently was and got kicked out of Parliament.
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Speaker 7: So I am going to say to Senator payment, so
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Speaker 7: what is what happened to the rest of us? Is
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Speaker 7: also the law for you?
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Speaker 4: If you haven't renounced your citizenship and you could have,
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Speaker 4: you're out of here.
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Speaker 2: Well we shall see. I think this might have to
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Speaker 2: go to the High Court because circumstances in Afghanistan have changed,
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Speaker 2: and maybe she does an opportunity now and a duty
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Speaker 2: to renounce her citizenship. Bunaby Joyce, thanks for your.
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Speaker 7: Time, always a pleasure.
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Speaker 2: How got to ask what pit do these people crawl from?
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Speaker 2: These barbarians we're seeing in the streets pro paast and
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Speaker 2: activists at Western Sydney University some dresses terrorists. Today flew
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Speaker 2: a banner in honor of Ishmael Haniah, who's the now
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Speaker 2: dead leader of the hamas Terist army that slaughtered and
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Speaker 2: raped Jews a year ago starting this war, gets a
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Speaker 2: banner in his honor. Also in Sydney, a car of
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Speaker 2: young Muslims that lapse around a block to harassed Jews
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Speaker 2: coming back from memorial for the twelve hundred Jews murder
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Speaker 2: in October seven. One of those Muslims in that cab
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Speaker 2: since had a license suspended. And then there's one of
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Speaker 2: the main leaders of the anti Israel protests in Melbourne, Hashtire,
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Speaker 2: has been clowning around with a child with what resembles
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Speaker 2: a Hamas headband as the other protests, and even a
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Speaker 2: Senator Lydia Thorpe posing with a jokehead band made to
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Speaker 2: look similar to hamask one like it's funny, it's got
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Speaker 2: something about chocolate on it. Instead, these are Australians jeering
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Speaker 2: or sneering at a sheer horror that Israeli women will
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Speaker 2: describe in Sharry Monkson's show tonight. One of them is
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Speaker 2: a woman taken as a hostage but freed, and the
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Speaker 2: others are mother.
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Speaker 10: All the way they kick me, they touch. In that moment,
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Speaker 10: I didn't know why it's going to happen to me
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Speaker 10: that I want to be rape in Many, gonna be kidnapped,
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Speaker 10: in my going to be killing Miriam.
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Speaker 11: How did you a mother cope knowing that your daughter
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Speaker 11: was in Gaza.
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Speaker 12: I'm a person of faith, so since the first, since
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Speaker 12: the day one on my friends start praying and making
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Speaker 12: brain chains. So I said, the only thing I can
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Speaker 12: do is pray for work.
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Speaker 2: More on that and Sharry Show but joining me from
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Speaker 2: Jerusalem is Shari Marx and has been giving just brilliant
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Speaker 2: coverage from Israel this week. Sharry Marx, and it's so
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Speaker 2: great to see you have been so impressed by your
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Speaker 2: coverage from Israel this week. But one thing that's really
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Speaker 2: stood out for me from the stories you've been telling
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Speaker 2: is the reality, the horror and all that. And I
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Speaker 2: contrast that with the inability of protests here to actually
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Speaker 2: comprehend that, to take that into account, to deal with
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Speaker 2: the sha horror, the way they ignore it, or they
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Speaker 2: treated so lightly, or some sort of joke or just
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Speaker 2: a computer game, the silence in particular, one part of
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Speaker 2: October seven the rapes. Now, obviously we've been unable to
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Speaker 2: show vision of some of the evidence of that, and
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Speaker 2: it's clear, but how the rapes, which are undeniable, they happened.
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Speaker 2: We've seen the bodies, we've seen well, I won't describe it,
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Speaker 2: but we've heard the testimonies. And yet where are the
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Speaker 2: women's groups, Where are the feminist groups? Where are the left?
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Speaker 2: Where is the left? More broadly, how there can be
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Speaker 2: students almost celebrating October seven when we know what really happened.
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Speaker 13: It's an utter disgrace.
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Speaker 11: And actually, Andrew on my show tonight at eight o'clock,
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Speaker 11: I have an expert coming on my show who has
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Speaker 11: been specializing and recording and documenting the sexual violence and
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Speaker 11: the rape of her must She's going to speak all
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Speaker 11: about that, but already this I interviewed former hostage a
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Speaker 11: Viva Segul, and she spoke about how the other young girls,
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Speaker 11: the young women who were being held hostage alongside her,
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Speaker 11: a constant conversation was whether their periods were coming. They
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Speaker 11: were constantly worried about falling pregnant to the harmask terrorists.
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Speaker 13: It is despicable.
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Speaker 11: And she's spoken that interview and it's online on the
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Speaker 11: Sky News website.
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Speaker 13: If anyone misss that, they can go back and watch it.
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Speaker 11: She's spoke in that interview about how one girl that
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Speaker 11: she was captive with would be constantly taken into the
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Speaker 11: next room by a terrorist and come back devastated because
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Speaker 11: she was being sexually abused.
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Speaker 13: This is the reality of it.
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Speaker 11: The silence from the women's groups internationally is appalling.
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Speaker 13: I mean, what we're.
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Speaker 11: Seeing among this woke left female feminist group as they
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Speaker 11: get more upset if a man touches their knee or
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Speaker 11: their shoulder than they are at the brutal, violent rape
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Speaker 11: and mutilation of women in Israel because their Israeli is
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Speaker 11: because they're Jews. How do they not care about that?
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Speaker 11: It has utterly exposed them as frauds.
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Speaker 2: I tell you what if you had footage like we
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Speaker 2: have of these rapes of Israeli soldiers raping Palestinian women.
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Speaker 2: God forbid not that we do, but if we did,
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Speaker 2: the ABC would be running day in, day out programs
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Speaker 2: about that. But on this there's a deadly and shameful silence. Shari.
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Speaker 2: You must feel it is a funny thing about Israel.
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Speaker 2: Like I say, half the world's Jews are living in
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Speaker 2: this stony spot. You're constantly under threat, but you must
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Speaker 2: feel some sense of collective support and almost gratitude. I
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Speaker 2: guess that you're there reporting from Israel about what's really
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Speaker 2: going on.
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Speaker 11: It has been the experience of a lifetime. Undoubtedly, this
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Speaker 11: week has genuinely been one of the most incredible experiences
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Speaker 11: for me personally as a Jewish Australian, but also as
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Speaker 11: a journalist interviewing and reporting and documenting the traumas that
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Speaker 11: took place on October seven, the war currently interviewing political leaders.
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Speaker 11: And Andrew just to hint, I've got a very big guest.
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Speaker 11: Well not guest, I've got a very big meeting to
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Speaker 11: tell you about my show tonight.
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Speaker 13: But you know, speaking to people right at the top.
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Speaker 11: Of this country has genuinely been a privilege and an honor,
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Speaker 11: an experience I'll never forget.
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Speaker 13: And Andrew, just one other thing. In Israel.
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Speaker 11: It's amazed me how grateful the Israelis are for Sky
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Speaker 11: News Australia, because the anti Israel bias is pretty broad
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Speaker 11: across the media, and whenever I've told them that I'm
21:53
Speaker 11: from Sky News Australia, they are so happy to speak
21:57
Speaker 11: to me. They are so grateful and appreciative because they
22:00
Speaker 11: see all of our shows, yours and Chris.
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Speaker 13: Kenni's and Peter Cratlin's.
22:03
Speaker 11: They see it all on YouTube and it gives them
22:06
Speaker 11: comfort to know that there are other media outlets in
22:09
Speaker 11: the world who understand and care about what they're going through.
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Speaker 2: I will bet my house as Sharry Markson and one
22:18
Speaker 2: of them have come up to you and said, thank
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Speaker 2: God for the ABC. We really admire their coverage. Sharry Markson,
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Speaker 2: all the best of you look forward to the show tonight,
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Speaker 2: particularly that interview you mentioned. You've done a fantastic job.
22:33
Speaker 2: Well done, but what a shame it's this subject. I
22:36
Speaker 2: mean anyway, Mae, Israel triumph in this war for its survival.
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Speaker 13: Thank you, Thank you so much, Andrew.
22:49
Speaker 2: After the break, students invade a Jewish academics office. Can
22:53
Speaker 2: you believe it? But I'll talk to one of America's
22:57
Speaker 2: top generals about why Israel has no option but to
23:01
Speaker 2: go in harder. How many of these protests tell us
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Speaker 2: they're not anti Jewish, they just anti Israel and for peace?
23:13
Speaker 2: That those things don't ring true to me when I
23:15
Speaker 2: see the latest vile bullying of Jewish staff at our universities,
23:19
Speaker 2: like these Melbourne University students targeting a Jewish professor his office,
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Speaker 2: occupying it with faces masked the cowards and sticking on
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Speaker 2: his door the red triangle that Hamas uses to identify
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Speaker 2: a target. And at Western Sydney University, as I said,
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Speaker 2: protests again masked like cosplaying terrorists trying to storm a building,
23:38
Speaker 2: allegedly assaulting security guards to getting arrested while a staff
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Speaker 2: are berated the police.
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Speaker 10: I leave my students alone, Leave my students alone.
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Speaker 13: Leave my students alone.
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Speaker 4: Believe my students alone, PA, leave my play.
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Speaker 13: My students are nails.
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Speaker 2: Comply you comm how are the students leaving the rest
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Speaker 2: of us alone? Meanwhile helping you whip up this vile
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Speaker 2: anti Israel hysteria, false reports like this one from Channel
24:13
Speaker 2: seven in Adelaide last night.
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Speaker 14: Fighting for survival and continuing it strikes on northern Israel.
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Speaker 14: Hesbelah now says it will support a ceasefire ideal. But
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Speaker 14: Benjamin ette Ya, who doesn't seem to be backing down
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Speaker 14: vowing to destroy.
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Speaker 2: Lebanon Netnia, who has never vowed to destroy Lebanon, absolutely not,
24:34
Speaker 2: is only trying to destroy the Hesbela terrorist army that's
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Speaker 2: in the south. And Hesbela is in fact walked away
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Speaker 2: from any hint that it might want a cease fire
24:45
Speaker 2: now that Israel's hitting back after a year of Hesbela
24:48
Speaker 2: firing nine thousand rockets and missiles added. But Israel isn't
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Speaker 2: giving in to all this hate that we see, and
24:56
Speaker 2: it's not stopping this war because it cannot. Israel those
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Speaker 2: that he ran and Mars says, but are they want
25:01
Speaker 2: to destroy it? The October seven massacre and rapes they
25:04
Speaker 2: show what these countries and terrost armies would do if
25:07
Speaker 2: they could. In fact, Iran is now very close to
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Speaker 2: getting a nuclear bomb, so Israel. It's just a third
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Speaker 2: of the size of TASMANI is in danger of being
25:15
Speaker 2: wiped out, yet now has a rare chance, an excuse
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Speaker 2: after October's seven to remake the Middle East, and it's
25:24
Speaker 2: taken it. Her mass is almost destroyed, has well as
25:27
Speaker 2: the leadership has almost wiped out in total chaos. It would,
25:31
Speaker 2: in fact be a terrible historical mistake of Israel not
25:34
Speaker 2: to finish that job. Joining me is General Jack Keane,
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Speaker 2: who was Vice Chief of Staff of the United States
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Speaker 2: Army and a four star general. He is now chairman
25:43
Speaker 2: of the Institute for the Study of War. General Kean,
25:47
Speaker 2: what a pleasure to see you again. Look, your institute
25:50
Speaker 2: has followed these wars in Ukraine and Israel closely. If
25:53
Speaker 2: people don't look at your website, I urge them to.
25:56
Speaker 2: It's a mine of information. Israel's war against Hezbollah, where
26:02
Speaker 2: is it up to and where is it going?
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Speaker 1: Yes?
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Speaker 15: Well, Prime minis in Netanyao has been able to shift
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Speaker 15: to Hesbela given some of the success he's enjoyed against
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Speaker 15: Tamas and gods that gave him the forces to focus
26:19
Speaker 15: on Hesbela. Something they knew from the outset that they
26:23
Speaker 15: would have to do, and a big picture is is
26:25
Speaker 15: that Hesbela began operations against Israel the day after AMASQ
26:31
Speaker 15: had conducted that surprise attack. So on October the eighth,
26:35
Speaker 15: they began firing rockets and missiles into northern Israel. From outset,
26:39
Speaker 15: they knew they would have to deal with Heswel either
26:43
Speaker 15: they voluntarily moved back their forces so that the citizens
26:47
Speaker 15: of Israel can reoccupy their homes, or they'll have to
26:51
Speaker 15: force them. A lots of diplomacy by the United States
26:55
Speaker 15: to try to get a diplomatic solution there for a
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Speaker 15: number of weeks, Hesbela was not going to voluntarily move
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Speaker 15: back their forces. Thus Israel has conducted an operation against them.
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Speaker 15: They have three phases to this operation. One the decapitation
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Speaker 15: of as much of the leadership as possible, and they
27:13
Speaker 15: have enjoyed extraordinary success in doing that now just recently
27:18
Speaker 15: announcing that they killed a successor to Israela as well
27:22
Speaker 15: as his deputy in a recent strike. That leadership decapitation
27:29
Speaker 15: is ongoing. Secondly, they want to take out the long
27:33
Speaker 15: range missiles in particular, plus some rockets, but mostly focused
27:38
Speaker 15: on the missiles that has Bella had. They started the
27:41
Speaker 15: campaign with Summer in the neighborhood of one hundred and
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Speaker 15: twenty to one hundred and thirty thousand of them. My
27:47
Speaker 15: estimates talking to Israeli sources is they believe they've taken
27:50
Speaker 15: out about fifty percent of that. And then the third
27:53
Speaker 15: thing is ground operations in southern Lebanon to push back
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Speaker 15: the excuse me, the hasbler forces and to clear out
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Speaker 15: the infrastructure that they use, the tunnels and the houses
28:07
Speaker 15: and other things in that area.
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Speaker 1: Intent is to push the forces.
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Speaker 15: Back about eighteen to twenty miles to the Latani River
28:17
Speaker 15: and force the Hasbela cross that river. That is initial
28:21
Speaker 15: plans as we know it, and how that's unfolded, and
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Speaker 15: the most challenging aspect to what they're doing Andrew, so
28:29
Speaker 15: our ordance understands is certainly this ground campaign.
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Speaker 2: It strikes me general that calls for Israel to cease
28:38
Speaker 2: firing are completely misplaced if you look at Israel's security
28:42
Speaker 2: concerns and the opportunity in particular, it strikes me it
28:46
Speaker 2: would be an historic mistake for Israel not to finally
28:52
Speaker 2: deal with Isbelah after the year of provocation, of course,
28:56
Speaker 2: and the existential threat to help represent But when Hesblow's
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Speaker 2: leadership has been decapitated, as you point out, when thousands
29:05
Speaker 2: of its faders, it's it's more senior cadre have been
29:09
Speaker 2: disabled by those pager bombs. This is it's sort of
29:14
Speaker 2: now or never, isn't it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 15: Oh absolutely, I mean Prime Minister in net now and
29:21
Speaker 15: his work cabinet has made up their mind, I believe
29:25
Speaker 15: ever since October the seventh and the unfolding war for
29:28
Speaker 15: the last for the last year, is that now is
29:32
Speaker 15: the time to destroy Hamaas and destroy Hezbler. There the
29:36
Speaker 15: most two the two most powerful proxies that Iran has
29:40
Speaker 15: in the region, and both of them right now are
29:42
Speaker 15: seriously weakened. Also, Iran is back on its heels andrew
29:46
Speaker 15: as a result of these two proxies being so seriously degraded.
29:51
Speaker 15: And also Iran has conducted two massive missile attacks on Israel,
29:57
Speaker 15: getting inconsequential results. Although thirty three of those ballistic missiles
30:04
Speaker 15: did hit the ground, not doing too much damage at
30:07
Speaker 15: one of the southern air bases in Israel, the fact
30:12
Speaker 15: that those attacks did not achieve their objectives has also
30:17
Speaker 15: weakened the Iranian regime. Israel believes that a robust attack
30:24
Speaker 15: against Iran is absolutely required based on the.
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Speaker 1: Size of the last attack, the fact.
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Speaker 15: That they were all ballistic missiles, one hundred and eighty
30:34
Speaker 15: one of them, and also they also understand something about
30:38
Speaker 15: the regime Andrew I think our audience would appreciate. They
30:41
Speaker 15: know that right below the surface, the Iranian people are
30:44
Speaker 15: so fed up with the Iranian regime. They've caused them
30:49
Speaker 15: so much anguish, so much economic decay over these forty
30:53
Speaker 15: three years, that they don't want any part of the
30:56
Speaker 15: Mullas who are running the regime. The Israelis hope I
31:00
Speaker 15: further weakening Iran that it will trigger significant civilized wraps
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Speaker 15: and put considerably more pressure on the regime.
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Speaker 2: That's a brilliant exposition. I would only add that yes,
31:13
Speaker 2: more than thirty ballistic missiles did hit Israel. Israel will
31:17
Speaker 2: know that one day one of those missiles will have
31:20
Speaker 2: a nuclear warhead, and it doesn't matter if it was
31:24
Speaker 2: next to a target or on a target. It will
31:26
Speaker 2: cause absolute devastation that Israel can never risk having happened.
31:32
Speaker 2: General Kean. Thank you so much indeed for your time.
31:36
Speaker 15: Yeah, it's very talking to Andrew as always, thank you.
31:40
Speaker 2: Don't miss my interview with Jeffrey Archer coming up. But
31:42
Speaker 2: after the break judges are told a big more reasonable
31:46
Speaker 2: treat Aborigines and Muslims. Differently, Lord Jeffrey Archers like one
31:57
Speaker 2: of his own works of fiction. I mean, what story
32:00
Speaker 2: the son of a fraudster rising fast and become deputy
32:03
Speaker 2: chairman of Britain's Conservative Party and then an MP, but
32:07
Speaker 2: then jailed for lying about paying off a prostitute and
32:10
Speaker 2: then going broke, but a man of honor promising to
32:13
Speaker 2: repay every penny, which you did by writing thrillers, forty
32:16
Speaker 2: four books in all that have sold more than three
32:18
Speaker 2: hundred million copies. The latest is out now, An Eye
32:22
Speaker 2: for an Eye, which involves art forgery, among other things,
32:25
Speaker 2: which research by getting a famous forger to fake a
32:29
Speaker 2: rim brandt Etching. I spoke earlier to Jeffrey Archer in London, thought, Archer,
32:35
Speaker 2: what a pleasure to see you. Forty four books. I
32:39
Speaker 2: haven't read finished this last one. I particularly like your
32:43
Speaker 2: reading of the first chapter. But you have clearly not
32:47
Speaker 2: lost your touch. What suggested this particular plot to you.
32:51
Speaker 16: Well, the secret this time was that we I found
32:54
Speaker 16: out that Thomas Jefferson, the great American President, actually wrote
33:00
Speaker 16: copy of the Declaration of Independence while he was in Paris,
33:04
Speaker 16: and he sent it to a friend of his, an
33:06
Speaker 16: English member of Parliament called mister Hartley, and it has
33:10
Speaker 16: been missing ever since. And if it was sound, it
33:14
Speaker 16: would be worth one hundred million dollars. So there's a
33:20
Speaker 16: great hunt out for it at the moment. But that's
33:25
Speaker 16: the secret because Miles Faulkner, the wicked Miles Faulkner discovers where.
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Speaker 1: It is.
33:34
Speaker 2: Well terrific, but he is here. We're reading a book
33:40
Speaker 2: of yours, right. I'm thinking now the world seems so unhinged.
33:45
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe it's just because I'm a bit older.
33:48
Speaker 2: So unhinged now that I don't think even you could
33:51
Speaker 2: write plots sometimes is amazing. And I want to give
33:54
Speaker 2: you one to test you. That's from the papers. Just
33:58
Speaker 2: last week, You're labor government decided to give away strategic
34:03
Speaker 2: islands in the Indian Ocean that Britain is owned for
34:06
Speaker 2: two hundred years mat plus Matt, and they have got
34:09
Speaker 2: a critical naval base on them. It's given them away
34:13
Speaker 2: to Mauritius, two thousand kilometers away. A poor countries is
34:16
Speaker 2: getting close to China. It's like an active high treason.
34:19
Speaker 2: And their mystery, Jeffrey Archer is why could you have dreamed.
34:24
Speaker 16: Of that one absolute lunacy. We I don't know what
34:30
Speaker 16: we're playing at, or what this labor government is playing at.
34:33
Speaker 1: That was an act of piracy.
34:35
Speaker 16: Nothing left and indeed the British people are not pleased
34:38
Speaker 16: about it.
34:40
Speaker 1: Don't be. But your point is a good one.
34:43
Speaker 16: If you wrote stories about what's happening in the world
34:46
Speaker 16: at the moment, with what's happening in England, but equally
34:50
Speaker 16: interesting in the United States, what's happening with Trump and Harris,
34:55
Speaker 16: I wouldn't get away with it. No one would believe me.
35:00
Speaker 16: A Factor's become far more fiction than.
35:02
Speaker 1: Fiction, I know.
35:05
Speaker 2: I mean, one of your books might have said one
35:07
Speaker 2: assassination attempt in the election campaign, but two, come on,
35:11
Speaker 2: you know, pull it back.
35:12
Speaker 15: Look.
35:12
Speaker 2: I'm just wonder though, you know, I wonder whether your
35:16
Speaker 2: novels are even more compulsory reading now, because this seems
35:21
Speaker 2: to be an age without heroes. I mean, at least
35:23
Speaker 2: in the English speaking West. I mean You've got your
35:26
Speaker 2: Prime minister, Kidstar. I mean seriously, You've got Joe Barden,
35:31
Speaker 2: You've got Justin Trudea in Canada, and our Anthony oveneasy
35:34
Speaker 2: And you though, were in politics in the age of
35:36
Speaker 2: Thatcher and Reagan. So have you asked yourself what on
35:40
Speaker 2: earth has happened?
35:43
Speaker 1: Yes?
35:43
Speaker 16: I do, because I have, as you rightly kindly pointed out,
35:46
Speaker 16: the great privilege of serving Margaret Thatcher for thirteen years
35:51
Speaker 16: and when she was Prime Minister, Douglas Hurd was Foreign
35:55
Speaker 16: Secretary and Michael Heseltein was deputy Prime Minister there and
36:01
Speaker 16: you thought you were in safe hands.
36:03
Speaker 1: You realized you were with competent people. And you look.
36:07
Speaker 16: Around the world today and you wonder how it can
36:10
Speaker 16: be possible that we have a president of the United
36:13
Speaker 16: States who seems to be completely out of touch, a
36:17
Speaker 16: candidate for the Republican Party who is just not even ridiculous.
36:24
Speaker 16: He would be fatal for our country if he became,
36:28
Speaker 16: and it wouldn't help Australia either. And you have in
36:31
Speaker 16: Britain a situation where the pay is so bad and
36:36
Speaker 16: members of Parliament are treated so badly, but no one
36:39
Speaker 16: wants to be a member of Parliament today. When I
36:42
Speaker 16: first entered the House sixty years ago as a young
36:45
Speaker 16: member of Parliament aged twenty nine, members of Parliament were
36:49
Speaker 16: held in respect and were treated with some degree of
36:54
Speaker 16: almost all. But nowadays they are treated because of TikTok,
37:00
Speaker 16: because of social media, because of the whole thing we
37:04
Speaker 16: now live in. Are treated I would say bad, and
37:08
Speaker 16: I'm outside badly.
37:10
Speaker 2: Well, I wonder whether you're right about the pay being
37:12
Speaker 2: so bad. Maybe that explains why your poor prime minister
37:16
Speaker 2: had to go and accept gifts of one hundred thousand
37:20
Speaker 2: dollars so it could be addressed in public. I mean,
37:23
Speaker 2: it's just so extraordinary how low the standards have fallen.
37:30
Speaker 16: Well, I think what happened there, and I've tried very
37:35
Speaker 16: hard to analyze it, is you suddenly got a group
37:38
Speaker 16: of labor members of Parliament who've been out of power
37:41
Speaker 16: for fourteen years, and one particular member of the House
37:45
Speaker 16: of Lords started lavishing gifts on them, including suits, spectacles,
37:50
Speaker 16: trips abroad, staying in wonderful hotels and penthouses. And I
37:55
Speaker 16: think they rather took to that, and I can't hundred
38:00
Speaker 16: percent blame them.
38:02
Speaker 1: It took them by surprise.
38:03
Speaker 16: But if they'd had someone in charge at number ten
38:08
Speaker 16: or earlier, they would have spotted it and said you
38:11
Speaker 16: can't do that. The public may not understand which missiles
38:18
Speaker 16: are going from Israel into Iran or from Iran into Israel,
38:26
Speaker 16: but they do understand when someone accepts pre suits, three trips,
38:33
Speaker 16: pre holidays that they've never had before.
38:36
Speaker 2: I'll just take you up on Donald Trump, I understand
38:40
Speaker 2: totally uncouth, totally unpredictable. I hate his position on Ukraine.
38:46
Speaker 2: Whether you will actually do that if he wins offices
38:48
Speaker 2: another matter. But at least at least the tyrants of
38:53
Speaker 2: this world are afraid of him. They wouldn't be afraid
38:56
Speaker 2: of Kamala Harris. And that's why I wonder why you
38:59
Speaker 2: have said that you actually vote for Carmala Harris if
39:01
Speaker 2: you were American, because isn't that going to be a
39:04
Speaker 2: vote for America's decline.
39:07
Speaker 1: I'll answer that very honestly. I wouldn't have voted.
39:12
Speaker 16: I wouldn't vote for either Carmela Harris or Donald Trump.
39:18
Speaker 16: I would have gone for Nicky Haley, the former governor
39:21
Speaker 16: of El Carolina and Ambassador to the United Nations. I
39:25
Speaker 16: thought she was a class act, and at last America
39:29
Speaker 16: would have a class president. Now, if you're asking the
39:34
Speaker 16: cruel question, who do I think, as an Englishman sitting
39:37
Speaker 16: on the outside, fascinated, will win? I'm bound to say,
39:41
Speaker 16: sitting here at this moment, I think Donald Trump will win.
39:45
Speaker 2: Well, it depends on the other side of the spectrum
39:49
Speaker 2: of fear. He might lose, but I think he might
39:51
Speaker 2: be right. But gee, it's going to be it's going
39:54
Speaker 2: to be popcorn time on the night watching the results
39:57
Speaker 2: come in.
39:57
Speaker 16: Now, let me tell you something about that, young man.
40:00
Speaker 16: Let me tell you something about that. November the fifth
40:04
Speaker 16: is the day. As you will remember, we've only twenty
40:08
Speaker 16: seven days to go before the election. Watch carefully one
40:12
Speaker 16: particular thing. Almost everybody missed the last election. When the
40:17
Speaker 16: ballot closes, it looked as if Trump had beaten Biden.
40:23
Speaker 16: But it's the postal vote that matters nowadays because the
40:28
Speaker 16: postal vote is two thirds of the vote. So I'm
40:32
Speaker 16: warning you Australians. When you see the result and they
40:36
Speaker 16: give you at the end, as they always do, the
40:40
Speaker 16: result after the polls have closed, watch it carefully because
40:45
Speaker 16: it may not be the result. You will have to
40:49
Speaker 16: wait for the postal ballot before you know who is
40:53
Speaker 16: the next president of the United States.
40:57
Speaker 2: I suspect you, radl though this time be held in
41:00
Speaker 2: the COVID pandemic, so there may be more people who
41:04
Speaker 2: would not be voting by mail. We will yet to see.
41:09
Speaker 2: But your own government, I don't know if I've ever
41:13
Speaker 2: seen one that became so unpopular in just one hundred days.
41:19
Speaker 2: I mean, have you seen that before?
41:22
Speaker 1: Well?
41:22
Speaker 16: Do you know when Tony Blair won the election, he
41:27
Speaker 16: went into the first year with a plus forty nine
41:33
Speaker 16: percent popularity and our conservative leader couldn't said, he couldn't
41:41
Speaker 16: lay a glove on him because he was so popular.
41:46
Speaker 16: This present Prime Minister went in about four percent popular
41:53
Speaker 16: despite winning by over one hundred. He then fell to
41:57
Speaker 16: minus sixteen. He is now minus thirty after only six weeks.
42:04
Speaker 16: The answer to your question is I've never known anything.
42:08
Speaker 2: Like it, Lord Archer, Thank you so much, indeed for
42:12
Speaker 2: your time. I really love that and viewers and I
42:15
Speaker 2: for an Eye is available now in all good bookshops.
42:18
Speaker 2: And you know my favorite is Robinson's Books. You go
42:20
Speaker 2: to the website, you look at top left of the screen,
42:23
Speaker 2: and there you will see my recommendations. What are you
42:30
Speaker 2: fun man to talk to? He says, he'll come back
42:32
Speaker 2: for the US selection to talk to Let's see it,
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Speaker 2: let's hope. Also on that Robinson in that bookshop which
42:38
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Speaker 2: it check it out. That's it from me. Coming up now,
42:43
Speaker 2: Sherry Marson from Israel and may I say I am