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#1613 Jump, Crash, Learn, Win - Jacqui Cooper · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: Good team.
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  Speaker 2: I hope you're bloody terrific. Welcome to another installment of
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  Speaker 2: the You Project. It's Harps and what's your middle name? Coops?
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  Speaker 3: Is it?
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  Speaker 2: What is it?
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  Speaker 3: Well?
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  Speaker 4: If you were addressed me formally, Harps, it would be
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  Speaker 4: Jacqueline and Cooper.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was Anne. I thought it was Jacqueline
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  Speaker 2: and Cooper. Five time Olympian, five time World champion, Woman
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  Speaker 2: about town, business woman, keynote speaker, highly paid, way much
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  Speaker 2: more dough than me. She cosper hour you could have
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  Speaker 2: about ten hours with me and one for her, because
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  Speaker 2: she's a big deal.
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  Speaker 3: What I said, because I'm better?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, well, no doubt. I mean that wasn't even
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  Speaker 2: in question. Oh that's why they paid the big bucks.
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  Speaker 2: So you've got nowhere to go now. I didn't argue
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  Speaker 2: with you. How you fucked? An't you?
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  Speaker 3: Yep? I'm embarrassed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you are. You are a big deal. But
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  Speaker 2: despite the fact that you do take the piss out
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  Speaker 2: of me, which is because we've been friends for four
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  Speaker 2: hundred years, you are very good at what you do.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Youth Project. You're the busiest woman
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  Speaker 2: in Australia. What's going on with you? There's a few
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  Speaker 2: things we can't discuss, but might one of them might
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  Speaker 2: become apparent in a week or so. We need to
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  Speaker 2: be evasive and somewhat mystical. No's that's not the right word,
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  Speaker 2: but anyway, there might be something that the public might
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  Speaker 2: become aware of mystical.
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  Speaker 4: I like, yeah, so end of last year, I went
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  Speaker 4: away and did something pretty exciting. I wouldn't say it
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  Speaker 4: was a bucket list thing for me to do, but
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  Speaker 4: once I got offered the opportunity, I was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: this sort of kicks all of my boxes. I want
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  Speaker 4: to go and do it.
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  Speaker 3: And in the next.
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  Speaker 4: Couple of weeks we'll be able to actually announce what
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  Speaker 4: it was, where I was, who I was with, and
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  Speaker 4: why I was doing it. So it's going to be
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  Speaker 4: a lot of fun. I'm excited to see it.
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  Speaker 2: All may Yeah, that'll do. That'll do.
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  Speaker 1: Hey.
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  Speaker 2: You know, when you're when you've got a profile and
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  Speaker 2: you're you or like you that is well known and
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  Speaker 2: you know, five times Olympian all that stuff, five times
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  Speaker 2: World champion, you get offered lots of things from you know,
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  Speaker 2: different opportunities. Some of them are not really opportunities, they're
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  Speaker 2: kind of dressed up as an opportunity. But when you
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  Speaker 2: get into it and I get asked a few things
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  Speaker 2: as well, which on the surface it's like, we've got
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  Speaker 2: an opportunity for you, and then you go, no, this
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  Speaker 2: is actually an opportunity for you, not me. But what's
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  Speaker 2: the weirdest thing, the weirdest opportunity in inverted commas that
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  Speaker 2: you've been presented with, like whether or not it's working
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  Speaker 2: with a company or doing a weird gig, or some
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  Speaker 2: kind of sponsorship or some kind of alignment or relationship
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  Speaker 2: where you got into it and you went, this is
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  Speaker 2: actually bullshit.
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  Speaker 4: Well it's it wasn't even a sponsorship. I guess it
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  Speaker 4: was a request where they thought it would be I mean,
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  Speaker 4: money would be changing hands. But when an Australian, as
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  Speaker 4: someone that lives in Australia heard that I was going
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  Speaker 4: through IVF, they offered to buy my eggs because of
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  Speaker 4: the potential DNA.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, so yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's pretty crazy.
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  Speaker 4: They thought, well five time, limping, good jeans, nice muscular
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  Speaker 4: and they said, if you've got spare either embryos, which
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  Speaker 4: is obviously with my husband, come together, ready to go,
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  Speaker 4: or just my eggs. And they said, yeah, they slid
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  Speaker 4: into my DMS then asked if that would be an
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  Speaker 4: opportunity that I'd like to seek and I'd be rewarded
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  Speaker 4: for it. I was like, oh my gosh, imagine if
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  Speaker 4: I did that, I'd have fibblings of my children, like
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  Speaker 4: their potential brothers and sisters are wandering around.
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  Speaker 3: That's a big no. So you do get to them.
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  Speaker 2: How many minutes did you consider that for? I was like,
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  Speaker 2: don't lie, block, block, no, not okay, hang on a
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  Speaker 2: million dollars. They offer you a million dollars for one
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  Speaker 2: of your eggs. A million.
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  Speaker 4: Now we've still got one in a freezer. And it
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  Speaker 4: was talked about in a book that I wrote about
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  Speaker 4: my IVF journey, and that's why it's sparked an interest
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  Speaker 4: in somebody, like you've got one in the freezer because
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  Speaker 4: the IVF. I guess it's always that conundrum at the end,
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  Speaker 4: when you are lucky enough to have a family like
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  Speaker 4: Mario and I and you do have spare embryos like that.
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  Speaker 3: What do you do?
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  Speaker 4: What do you do when you know that your family's complete?
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  Speaker 4: You can either donate it to science. You can obviously
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  Speaker 4: just discard it. And the other one is that you
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  Speaker 4: can put it into like an embryo bank and it
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  Speaker 4: can go out there. And this person thought, well, we're
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  Speaker 4: not going to wait for it to go into a bank.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to offer you an opportunity.
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  Speaker 3: Just from reading my book.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, it's we call it the frosty. It's
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  Speaker 4: still in the freezer. It's been there for nine years.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's staying there.
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  Speaker 2: How long is I know, you know, clearly I'm an
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  Speaker 2: IVF researcher. How long is the embryo viable? I think
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  Speaker 2: is the medical term?
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  Speaker 4: Oh so I think that. Well, they send out reminder
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  Speaker 4: letters every couple of years because you have to pay
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  Speaker 4: storage fees at the facility where they're being kept. So
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  Speaker 4: there's a couple of years that goes by, you know, minor,
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  Speaker 4: do you still want to pay the rental, you know, the.
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  Speaker 2: Storage this potential human that we've got here.
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  Speaker 4: So I think after ten years they really get you
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  Speaker 4: to decide. Like I turned fifty in January, the frosty
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  Speaker 4: is never ever going to be thawed for us, So
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  Speaker 4: that I'll probably send out another email saying what is
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  Speaker 4: it that you'd like to do with that? So for
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  Speaker 4: us as a family, we still haven't even discussed that
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  Speaker 4: because I'm like, that's Mario, that's me, that's together. But
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  Speaker 4: it's something that gets talked about, and I'll probably get
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  Speaker 4: a lot of people after me now listening to this
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  Speaker 4: saying why wouldn't you donate it?
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  Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you give it to a couple?
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  Speaker 4: But when it comes to IVF and donor embryos, there's
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  Speaker 4: a lot of laws that haven't been really locked down.
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  Speaker 4: So it is the same as adoption, so that that
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  Speaker 4: embryo can come back and find you. So I don't
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  Speaker 4: think we're a bad family to find, but you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's something that I probably wouldn't want for my family.
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  Speaker 4: We feel like our family is complete the way it is.
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  Speaker 4: But it's that question that I still don't even know
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  Speaker 4: how to answer, to do the right thing by that embryo.
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  Speaker 2: But also, like, you know, what I'm about to say
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  Speaker 2: is almost ironic because we are talking about it publicly,
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  Speaker 2: But then what you do or don't do with that
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  Speaker 2: embryo is really nobody else's business. Like it doesn't impact
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  Speaker 2: anyone else unless they make it, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, it's not it's a completely private decision and issue.
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  Speaker 3: One hundred percent. It is. It's our business.
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  Speaker 4: It's got nothing to do with anybody else. But the
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  Speaker 4: word impact is a big one, Craig, because whilst it
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  Speaker 4: doesn't we feel like it doesn't impact them, it could
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  Speaker 4: impact them and that's what they think. They think this
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  Speaker 4: is something that could impact us. We actually have that
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  Speaker 4: family that you're written about, that you dreamed about, that
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  Speaker 4: you've now got and you're going to flush an embryo.
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  Speaker 4: So it's a really tricky thing.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Did you see them the series that I've been out
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  Speaker 4: on Channel nine moment called Big Miracles.
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  Speaker 2: I've seen it, No, I have not. I know that
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  Speaker 2: it's on, I'm aware of it, but I have not
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  Speaker 2: watched it. Did you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I've been watching parts of it because we
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  Speaker 4: were that couple, we were trying to have a family.
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  Speaker 4: It's about IVF and every single person's journey.
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  Speaker 3: Is completely different.
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  Speaker 4: Some happen to get pregnant the first go, and they've
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  Speaker 4: saved all their money to obviously try for an IVF cycle,
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  Speaker 4: and some are years and years and years down the track,
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  Speaker 4: which is obviously years of heartache and hope and lost hope,
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  Speaker 4: and then obviously think that maybe you're going to get
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  Speaker 4: that child again, and then there's loss.
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  Speaker 3: If there's miscarriage.
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  Speaker 4: So there's so much emotion when it comes into having
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  Speaker 4: a baby, and if you're not there yet and you
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  Speaker 4: haven't had one, I know what that was like. So
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  Speaker 4: I yearned for something so much. Who knows, maybe I
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  Speaker 4: would message someone in Instagram saying that embryo, do you
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  Speaker 4: want to have that? So I understand it's desperations is
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  Speaker 4: too much of a hard word, but at that point
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  Speaker 4: you'll try anything to try and get a family that
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  Speaker 4: you feel like you deserve and rightly.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't know very much. But what don't
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  Speaker 2: Is there something that people who've never been through if
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  Speaker 2: or never even IVF will never even open the door
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  Speaker 2: to think about it or explore it or research it.
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  Speaker 2: Is there something that would shock people like that, somebody
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  Speaker 2: like me who doesn't know much that I would never
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  Speaker 2: have thought about or I wouldn't get about the process
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  Speaker 2: or going through it.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'll quickly give you a couple of things. So
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  Speaker 4: it's around about ten thousand dollars per cycle, so that's
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  Speaker 4: obviously a female's monthly cycle. So if you don't get
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  Speaker 4: pregnant the first time, then it might not be ten thousand,
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  Speaker 4: and then next it depends on how many eggs were
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  Speaker 4: hard harvested, so a ten thousand dollars cycle. If you qualify,
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  Speaker 4: if you're deemed infertile, then Medicare will step in and
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  Speaker 4: you're welcome for a rebate. Not everyone gets a rebate
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  Speaker 4: if you're socially it's a social decision if you want
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  Speaker 4: to try IVF because you want to freeze your eggs,
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  Speaker 4: or I'm not too sure about same sex now that
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  Speaker 4: same sex marriages are legal in Australia, but back when
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  Speaker 4: I was doing IVF, if you're a same sex couple,
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  Speaker 4: you wouldn't get the rebate because they had said that
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  Speaker 4: was a social choice, which is just nuts, right, trying
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  Speaker 4: to have baby, trying to have a baby. So it's
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  Speaker 4: around ten thousand dollars, and that's where you start injecting
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  Speaker 4: yourself for a week or so to try and grow
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  Speaker 4: the embryos that you can't actually do yourself. And when
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  Speaker 4: they're about twenty mils, so about two centimeters the follicle itself,
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  Speaker 4: they book you into hospital. Your husband or your partner
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  Speaker 4: or your donor goes into supplies a sperm sample close
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  Speaker 4: by the hospital, not like in a dodgy place, but
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  Speaker 4: actually in a proper facility where they can keep that
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  Speaker 4: sperm warm all of the eggs that they've retrieved. Sometimes
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  Speaker 4: you might get one, sometimes you'll get none, and you'll
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  Speaker 4: get maybe ten.
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  Speaker 3: It depends.
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  Speaker 4: They match the sperm and the eggs together and they'll
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  Speaker 4: call you back to the next day with a fertilization update.
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  Speaker 4: So you may have gotten ten eggs, but match with
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  Speaker 4: the sperm, nothing fertilized, So that is absolutely heartbreaking. You've
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  Speaker 4: had surgery, you've gone through a couple of weeks, you've
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  Speaker 4: spent ten grand, and like, hey, nothing fertilized. So you
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  Speaker 4: can have another process called IXY where they actually inject
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  Speaker 4: the sperm into the egg. That gives you a higher
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  Speaker 4: rated success, but it's more expensive. So now it's like
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  Speaker 4: the plus plus IVF is ten grand plus plus. You
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  Speaker 4: want to do IXY, that's plus another two thousand. You
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  Speaker 4: want to take the embryodo of five days in a
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  Speaker 4: lab being watched twenty four to seven by an embryologist,
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  Speaker 4: plus plus plus, So it gets very very expensive. So
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  Speaker 4: you can see why the pressure and the stress of
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  Speaker 4: trying to make it work for a cycle because for
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  Speaker 4: a lot of Australians.
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  Speaker 3: Is just too much. It's just too much.
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  Speaker 2: It's prohibitive, isn't it? Speaking of all things? You know, bodies,
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  Speaker 2: you are? You just turned fifty. Okay, hang on, you
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  Speaker 2: just turned fifty. You don't look at you don't look
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  Speaker 2: at you look you look a good forty. But you
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  Speaker 2: retired from competition at thirty three? Am I correct?
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  Speaker 3: Thirty seven?
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  Speaker 2: Thirty seven? Oh that's right, because when we reconnected it
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  Speaker 2: was thirteen years that you had Okay, So you and
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  Speaker 2: I used to do some work together. I used to
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  Speaker 2: train you and do some of your conditioning stuff back
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  Speaker 2: in the day when you were jumping off ramps and
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  Speaker 2: twisting and turning and periodically landing.
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  Speaker 4: Mostly landing percentage was only twenty percent. Say again, my
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  Speaker 4: landing percentage over my entire career was twenty percent.
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  Speaker 2: How does that compare.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that's like showing up every day to work knowing
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  Speaker 4: that eighty percent of your day is going to be
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  Speaker 4: a shit show.
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  Speaker 3: That's true.
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  Speaker 4: In the very beginning, I landed nothing. I landed nothing
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  Speaker 4: for years and years and years, and then I started
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  Speaker 4: landing one every now and again, and then I started
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  Speaker 4: landing a couple and then by the end of twenty years,
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  Speaker 4: I was landing more than I crashed. But I kept
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  Speaker 4: a log book, and people think that's kind of crazy.
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  Speaker 4: But during COVID, I got out all of my logbooks
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  Speaker 4: and put it into a spreadsheet, as you do, and
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to work out my landing percentage, and it
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  Speaker 4: was only twenty percent. And people ask me all the time,
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, why, I know, if would you keep going
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  Speaker 4: knowing that it is going to be a hard day
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  Speaker 4: eighty percent of a hard day wiping snow out of
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  Speaker 4: your ears and landing on your face and having to
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  Speaker 4: like brush off the snow and start again, and knowing
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  Speaker 4: that you're going to go up there and got an
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  Speaker 4: eighty percent chance of crashing failing, just all of it.
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  Speaker 4: And I said, that's where I actually learned the most.
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  Speaker 4: Craig was learning how to do better, how to change
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  Speaker 4: what I was doing, reinvented a little bit, deconstructed work
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  Speaker 4: with my coach, processes feedback better, because when you're an
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  Speaker 4: aerial scare and you do land, it's such a shocking thing.
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  Speaker 4: The coach is like, oh great, do that again. No
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  Speaker 4: real usable feedback in do that again. But where the
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  Speaker 4: feedback and all the work came in was actually on
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  Speaker 4: the eighty percent where we had to try and fix it.
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  Speaker 4: Why'n stoe landing. We've got to get you to land
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  Speaker 4: What do we need to do to make that happen?
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  Speaker 4: Because if you're not landing, you're getting injured. So, yes,
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  Speaker 4: aerial skiing, I crashed more than I landed. And that
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  Speaker 4: was a career of twenty years and I retired thirteen
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  Speaker 4: years ago from that crazy merry go around.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the byproducts of landing twenty percent of
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  Speaker 2: the time and not eighty percent of the time is
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  Speaker 2: thirty three operations or something.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I had twenty five surgeries during my active careers,
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  Speaker 4: just small scopes, scoping the knee a few times, scooping
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  Speaker 4: ntannie a few times. I'll be reconstruction, shoulder, reconstruction, new reconstruction.
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  Speaker 4: Broke my hip, dislocated, it broke my face. So during
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  Speaker 4: the active career there was twenty five surgeries and I've
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  Speaker 4: had about seven since and sort of like the cleanup
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  Speaker 4: to try and get you back to how you were
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  Speaker 4: before you started the sport, and one included a total
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  Speaker 4: hip replacement less than a year ago.
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  Speaker 2: WOASA wowsa. And so you and I reconnected because of
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  Speaker 2: this mysterious thing that we can't talk about. Well more
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  Speaker 2: than that, we caught up, and now we've been catching
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  Speaker 2: up and I'm clearly your best friend in the world. Thanks.
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  Speaker 2: How has it been getting back into training, because you
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  Speaker 2: not that you did nothing for thirteen years, but you
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  Speaker 2: didn't really train per se although you're very active and
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  Speaker 2: busy and still was on skeeze a fair bit, but
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  Speaker 2: in terms of being in a gym and working out
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  Speaker 2: with a focus to build strength and achieve a few
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  Speaker 2: things physically, you weren't really doing that. And then I
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  Speaker 2: guess six months ago you started training again, give or take.
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  Speaker 2: How has your body changed? And are you hating it?
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  Speaker 2: Are you loving it? Are you glad you got back
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  Speaker 2: into it? Or is it just opened another door and
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  Speaker 2: that weird brainer yours?
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  Speaker 3: It's all of them.
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  Speaker 4: I think I sort of hate it now because I'm
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  Speaker 4: back to feeling that guilty if you don't go to
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  Speaker 4: the gym, where I sort of gave up on myself,
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  Speaker 4: so I didn't have that bit saying, oh I get
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  Speaker 4: to the gym, get to the gym. I just didn't
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  Speaker 4: even think about getting the gym, so there wasn't that
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  Speaker 4: internal sort of wrestle that you have every day with
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  Speaker 4: I've got to get to the gym.
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  Speaker 3: Do I want to go to the gym. I'm in
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  Speaker 3: the car back door. I want to go to the gym.
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to go subway, you know so, But
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  Speaker 4: I absolutely love it. I feel like that I've woken up.
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  Speaker 4: My body was so broken after what it did for
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  Speaker 4: twenty years. Then after my hip dislocation, I spent thirteen
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  Speaker 4: years cutting the back out of my sneakers so where
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  Speaker 4: your heel fits, I cut them so that they could
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  Speaker 4: just I could just slide into my sneakers so they
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  Speaker 4: almost look like wearable slippers. I couldn't bend down and
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  Speaker 4: do it my shoelacers. I couldn't really organize a shoehorn.
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  Speaker 4: That's how stuffed up my knee joint. My hip joint
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  Speaker 4: was so because the hip was so bad, my knee
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  Speaker 4: was so bad. So I didn't go to the gym
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  Speaker 4: because even just walking to pick up the kids from
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  Speaker 4: school pickup meant that I was in so much pain
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  Speaker 4: at the end of the day that I'd have to
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  Speaker 4: sort of build a nest in the bed to fall
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  Speaker 4: asleep comfortably, and then I had to take all these
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  Speaker 4: different medications to keep the pain under control, the inflammation
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: under control. So having a hip replacement was wonderful, but
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: then us getting back together again. It's honestly, I sort
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: of thrown myself back into that athlete mode and my
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: body didn't take long to respond at all. I mean,
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: you could probably talk to that better than me. But
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: you know, I went from being a mum of thirteen
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: years doing nothing in the gym to walking in there
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: now and I look at myself in the mirror and
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: there's parts of me that look very athletic still. So
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: I'm proud of how my body you responded. I'm proud
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: of how the shape that it's taken on. I love
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: that I'm fifty and I've got a pretty good six pack.
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: So there's a lot to like about working hard, and
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: I'm honestly, I'm so grateful Craig. It's it's been the
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: best place to reunite.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean we do take the piece a
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: little bit, but I will say people who train a
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: bit will understand this, and for those that don't, I'll
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: try and put it in context. But so I introduced
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: you to They're called different things, but basically a revolving
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: staircase StairMaster. They're called different things by different companies, but
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: so I introduced Jackie to this thing called a revolving staircase,
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: which is fucking horrible. And it goes from level one,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: which is very slow, up to level sixteen, which is
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: essentially running. And to give you an idea, like, I'm
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: not unfit. I don't do heaps of cardio, but if
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: I had to go out run five kilometers now I
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: could with not too much problem. I'm eighty four kilos,
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: I'm quite lean. I do way more weights than cardia.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: But don't smoke, don't drink. My default setting, it's pretty fit.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: But I remember jumping on the not that long ago.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: I jumped on the old revolving staircase. I did fifteen
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: hundred steps and I nelly died. I haven't told you this, Cooper.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: I did fifteen hundred. I call it Cooper. I did
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: fifteen hundred steps and I Nelly died. Now your second workout,
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: I think, after thirteen years of no training, you did
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: five thousand, and you did all of them faster, at
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: a faster rate. So like level ten, level twelve and
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: I plot at level six, level eight, and I was
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: just looking at you and that there's something weird about you,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: and because you're I mean, firstly, you weren't unfit, but
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: you hadn't trained. Like you're just busy and active, and
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: you walk a lot, and you move a lot, and
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: you've got kids, and you've got sport, and you've got school,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: and you've got in and out of planes and cars,
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: and you've got speaking gigs and you're always probably walk
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: thirty thousand steps a day. I reckon, But you hadn't
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: been training, and I was watching you on this thing.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: I was looking at your face. I'm like, she is
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: in the best possible way. She's a fucking weirdo. I
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: was just looking at you and you were like, I'm
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: not letting this thing beat me. I mean, it was
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: just day two of training after thirteen years off, and
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: you would think that it was a gold medal that
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: you were vying for. You hate giving up, and you
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: hate you hate like you almost can't work at If
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: I go I want you to work at six out
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: of ten, You're like, nah, get fucked, I can't is
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: spot on.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: I feel like I have to beat the machine. Then
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: I feel like I've had a victory for myself. Competitive people.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: You can't turn it off, even though it was aerial skiing.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: You can move that drive to something else.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: And honestly, it was almost like you, I don't know,
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: let the tiger out of a cage or something.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: I'm not too sure what happened.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: But when you introduce me to that bloody stam master,
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: because it is tricky and it is difficult.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: And it's so hard to actually.
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: Get good at, I thought, I'm fucking sort this thing
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: out on day two, and now I can take phone
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: calls at like a level six, level seven, at level
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: ten on board because it's too slow at.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: Twelve, I'm sort of moving along.
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: And that competitive thing too, is like, oh, let's try
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: and stay it for half an hour at thirteen or fourteen,
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: and I want to try and beat last week's steps,
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: and I photograph what I've done just so I can
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: beat last week.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: I know, I get the photos sent to me.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: I know I've absolutely loved it though, So it is great.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: And you know, whether it was the hip replacement, the
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: thing that we can't talk about coming out, you and
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: I connecting again, I feel like as a fifty year old.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: If I had said to myself thirteen years ago, as
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: a retiring athlete, in the best form of my life,
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: just retiring from Olympic Games, I hope I can look
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: like ABC and D when I'm fifty.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: I feel like I'm there.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Craig, Yeah, you are well. You don't look your age
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: at all. In your face, you don't look your age.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: You look I reckon early forties. But your body you
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: look like an athlete again. Like you lean, you're strong,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: you've got muscle, you've got definition and and you know,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: some of that's genetics, but a lot of that is
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: just hard work. But I think the thing that people don't,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: you know, we kind of understand. We know there's a
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: relationship between the mind and the body and the emotions,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: and you know just how we experience life based on
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: those three variables. But I don't think we genuinely understand
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: how great exercise is for your mind and for your
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: emotions and for your happiness and for creating the right
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: brain chemistry. You know, dopamine and you know, just the
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: stuff that makes you feel good right, and then you
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: do their workout and not only have you done a
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: great thing, physiologically for your body, but also mentally and emotionally.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: You feel good for the rest of the day because
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: you've ticked this big box.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: Well that's right, so you're ticking that big box. But
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: if you can manage to go with a bunch of
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: friends like we all meet up, it's also that social
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: connection as well. So I sort of feel like there's four, five, six,
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: seven boxes that I'm kicking just by going with you.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: So I'm getting all of that, and I'm also having
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: a social outlet away from the school mum to pick
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: up the drop off the work side being at home,
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: and it's just like there's another part of me now
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: and there's a friendship.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Group that I think.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: It's like going to like the new pub, you know,
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: we're going to go or a cafe. We go there,
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: hang out, get a workout done, connect with each other,
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: check in with each other, and you drive away you chitch.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: Feel good.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Well when you think about it. So what Jackie's talking
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: about everyone is there's a bunch of people that I
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: kind of help and a few friends. And one is
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Johnny that you know that got blown up in the
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: gas bottle accidents, and another one is the crab that
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: you've heard about, who literally died at the gym for
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: seventeen minutes, and his daughter Jamie, who's a freak, and
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: you know Chris and i'd Coat and friends of mine
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: who who have just gotten on board, and there's just
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: this eclectic mix of humans and like in normal life,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: in whatever that means, we would never intersect. Like everybody
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: is so different, so wildly different, and big Christian everybody's
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: so different. But in that place, there are no differences.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Everybody's just there for the same reason to have a
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: good time, to lift some weights, to do something good
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: for their body. And it's kind of the great equalizer
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: I think in some ways working out together.
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: Well, yes, I agree. And by the way, you actually
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: call us the merry band and misfits. Okay, so it
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: doesn't say the eclctic group of humans, it's the misfits. Hey,
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: I'm getting the misfits together.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: Do you want to come?
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: I'm like, right, Okay, I've been labeled, but I'm happy
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: to be labeled. You're right, we would never have intersected.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: But wow, what I've learnt by Johnny and he's resilience
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: to be there and to show up and everyone will
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: drop there waits to help him out because he's just
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: such a fighter and just the whole group and it
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: isn't equal because whilst I've been to five Olympic Games
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: and one, you know, five world titles, you look at
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: Jamie over there and I could never have done or
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: do what she does. So there's all there, and there's inspiration,
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: and there's there's really just I'm just so excited for
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: her and obviously her body and everybody else, like everyone's
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: physical journey.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: That's I'm proud of them.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: You, you know, with your most people probably don't know this,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: but your your main correct me if I'm wrong, But
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: your main job in inverted comments these days is standing
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: on a stage and talking to groups in various you know,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: primarily in the corporate space, but you do skills and
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: you do other things, but a lot of corporate and
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: here and all over the world. Do you kind of
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: have the same level of all the same energy of
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: I need to be fucking awesome at this because I know,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: like you've done a lot of presenting. I've done a
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: lot of presenting, like I can and I don't, but
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: I can kind of almost just walk on stage auto pilot,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: do my thing, but be amusing, be engaging, tell a
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: few stories, says, share some thoughts and ideas and just
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: rely on miles on the clock and bit of skill
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: and a bit of awareness and walk off right. I
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: try not to do that. I try to be very
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: present and I want everyone to be the best one
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: I've ever done. Are you kind of competitive with yourself
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: in terms of being the best you you could ever
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: be on stage? But not only I feel like you
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: want to be the best speaker in Australia that's paid
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: the most as well?
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: Well, I want to be this. I definitely want to
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: be the best speaker. But what I love is a challenge.
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: So when I do a speaker brief, so once you
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: get booked for a job, two weeks before the event,
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: you make contact. FUR will contact with the client and
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: the client tells you about the event and normally the
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: client will say, wow, Geeves has been an event we've
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: had the last ten years, We've had some really great speakers.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: The best speaker Where've ever had was I'm like, oh,
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: the best speaker right, I'm like, I want to be
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: the best speaker. And I actually say to them, if
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: you don't think I'm the best speaker.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: When I'm finished, you don't actually have to pay me.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: And they're like, no, stop, stop it stop, and I'm like, no,
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: I am serious.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: If you don't think that I.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: Was better than your best speaker last time you had
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: this event, don't pay me, because I want him to
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: feel absolutely excited by that, thinking, Okay, he's froffing at
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: the mouth, he's excited, thinking she's so competitive. And usually
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: nine times out of ten, the MC will say, well,
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: it looks like we actually have to pay this Jackie
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: Mouth because she was the best speaker. I try to
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: bring a lot of energy to this to the stage.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: I am the double espresso that the audience didn't even
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: realize they needed, wanted, or had. They just leave with
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: so much energy. And it's by the way I engage,
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: It's the way I project, It's the way I connect
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: with the audience.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: And I just want to bring them on my journey
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: and it.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: Will lift them up, but will feel like that they
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: can do anything and hopefully cart Wiel out of the
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: auditorium or out of the venue feeling like life is
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: good and I'm ready to go and attack it with
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: a champion attitude.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And some people are going to be listening
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: to this a small percentage going, oh, gee, she's pretty
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: happy with herself. But I'm telling you that's actually all true.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: She actually is phenomenal. So if you've got heaps cash,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: you know, and you're running an event, you know, just
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: reach out.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: I also got a research to Craig. I know you
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: touched on that saying that you want to be prepared
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: and stay present. I don't take for granted what I do,
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: and I don't just clip the ticket either, So I
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: show up hours in advance, and if there's tables to
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: be set or conference showbacks, I go and put them
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: to help out the event organizer, like I'm happy to
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: be there, I'm grateful to be there. I want to
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: feel like that I'm a part of the event and
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: I wasn't just a transaction. I'm a big one on
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: old style relationships. You build them respectfully, and I do
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: a lot of research into your business, into the people
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: that I'll be speaking to, so that when the questions
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: are asked, I can answer with meaning and that it
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: will mean something to them and hopefully they can use
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: it within their personal and their professional lives.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that ability when you're working with a
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: group to be able to understand their culture, their needs,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: what it is they do, who, what their product and
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: services are, who their customers are, what's going great in
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: their organization, what's not going great, what are their challenges,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: and why they're you know, I asked that, I go,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: why are you bringing me in?
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: And sometimes they go, oh, well, we need to speak.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, is there anything else?
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: So it's yeah. But if you can understand the culture
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: of the organization and the needs of the organization and
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: where they're at into you know, dynamically with the group,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: with the business, with even with the P and L
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: perhaps or just at how long they've been around, what
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: it is they do, what's going great, what's not going great,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: and then then you can share your stuff but be relevant.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: To them, yes, definitely. And then if you have no relevance,
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: then there's no importance. There's no meaning for you to
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: be there, so it means nothing. And you want to
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: make connections. When you've made a connection with someone, you
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: know that you're making change right, and change is so important.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: But I honestly feel so grateful.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: I mean, besides being speaking too, I work for the
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: Trope Financial as you know, as a brand ambassador, so
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: I get to do some really amazing things for them.
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: My recent one was up for international women, say, inspiring
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: women within the finance industry. I'm doing a staff event
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: for them tomorrow. Imagine new staff coming in and they're
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: hit with the dose of me. They're like, who is
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: this woman? So I've got some really really great clients. Obviously,
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: I work for some great people, the Trobe, the Mount
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: Buller and a whole lot of other people. So it's
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: been a great thirteen years since I retired, that's for sure.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: I've spoken with. When I say spoken with, I've spoken
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: on the same program as quite a lot of Olympians,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: probably twenty Olympians, I reckon. I'll tell you off air who.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: But there's a couple, God bless them, and they're good,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: but they're a bit of a one trick pony, like
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: they basically tell the same you know. Like there are
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: some that I've been at four different conferences and they've
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: spoken and they have one keynote and it goes for
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: the exact same amount of time because it's all choreographed,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: the same music, the same videos, the same everything. So
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: it's essentially a performance. Please tell me you don't do that.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: It depends on actually what they want. So I would
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: say that my after dinner because it's meant to be
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: a bit light, very engaging.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: It's a different audience.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: That is a very different style of presentation than what
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: you would give when you're standing in front of a
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: conference and they're saying exit, enter stage left, exit stage right,
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: and there's a theme and you've got to hit all
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: of the high notes. The after dinner or even the
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: breakfast one, it's more punchy, it's shorter, the presentation has
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: to lift faster, so constantly changing my presentation. I competed
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: for twenty years. I've got twenty years worth of stories,
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: so be very boring if I just repeated the same
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: two or three stories. So I'm always begging for either
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: more time so I can tell more stories. Because they're
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: all great ones, and you've heard a lot of them.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: I've had some fun stuff happen, which all have great meaning,
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: and there would be I think a benefit to companies
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: hearing all of the stories. But you don't get all
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: of the time. And sometimes people say, my friend heard
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: you speak. I want you to just do that because
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: they know that that work for that other person, and
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: they know that that was good enough for their audience.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: But by the time you do a speaker brief, you
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: generally talk about what it is, why people are coming together,
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: how often are you having it, what type of engagement
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: do they need? Is it more conversation or is it
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: just a straight pinot no questions?
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: They're all very different.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: When you get on stage, what's your overwhelming or perhaps
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: underlying emotional state. Is it excitement? Is it anxiety? Is
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: it fear? I'm pretty sure it's not anxiety or fear.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Is it like?
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: What are you?
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: What are you feeling? Or are you just really calm
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: and focused?
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: What's your like? I'm interested because I know how I am.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: And also this is such a source of fucking terror
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: for so many human beings. The idea of you've got
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: to get up in front of all of those people,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: talk for an hour, don't say, don't fuck up, be interesting,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: be a bit funny, and we're all going to sit
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: there and evaluate you ready, set go right. That's horrifying
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: for people, but that's the real of what goes on.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: So what are you feeling when you get up?
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: So start my keynote, I show a six minute video,
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: which is a non negotiable for me. I'm really lucky
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: that Bruce McAvaney and I became quite close over my career,
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: and when I retired, he put together a video like
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: a mini movie of my career and he narrates it.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: So he but that's not fair. That's like, that's fucking steroids,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Like you're on the gear, like that is literally performance enhancing.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: Well, you know what I feel like at that point,
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: I don't even need to do anything because they're already
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: like they're in. When I get clients saying we don't
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: really want to have that sort of audio setup, we
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: don't really want to have major av I'm like, listen,
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: you need to have visits, Bruce. Bruce is like my entree.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: You know, when you go to a great restaurant and
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: you eat an entree and it's amazing. You're like, fuck,
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: if that's the entree, I can't wait for.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: The main course.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: And he gets my audience primed, ready salivating. So this
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: video plays and while the videos play, it's six minutes,
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: I'm actually watching a video going Oh my left arm
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: was two bent and I could have added that better,
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: like I'm actually critiquing myself from vision from moments that
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: happened twenty years ago. So I sort of watched the video.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: I'm watching the crowd. Twenty percent of the people start
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: crying during the video because Bruce does that to people
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: just with the words. And then I come up and
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: I'm ready to sort of extend that moment that he's
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: already had with them. So I'm usually, you know, foaming
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: at the mouth, throwing at the bit, ready to go,
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: and I just come up. It's NonStop. It's forty five minutes,
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: barely taking a breath, never taking a drink of water.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: And the only time I stop is where I'm asking
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: the crowds of questions.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Amazing. All right, well we can only chat briefly today
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: because you've got a very busy day because you're because
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: you're a big deal, as you keep telling me, Oh no,
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: you're a big deal. It's all right, We're okay.
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: With it, but is an idiot. I don't go around
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: saying I'm a big deal idiot?
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: Oops?
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Stay there, we'll say goodbye. Fair But do you want
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: to tell anyone anything where they can find you or
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: website or anything? Ah?
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: Sure, So I'm exclusive with Saxon speakers. If you want
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: to hear more from me your next conference, go to
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: Saxton's or you can message me and I'll send you
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: to the.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: Right people.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: And we forget together in a couple of weeks so
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: we can talk about the thing that we can't talk about.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: We will definitely be back. We'll chat for longer in
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: a couple of weeks, but for the minute, everyone, love
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: your guts as your collective gutz is.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: See you soon.