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The Santa Clauses (Season One) with Grace Freud · The Bechdel Cast

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  Speaker 1: Attention Bechtel cast listeners. It's me Caitlin and and me
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  Speaker 1: Jamie and guess what what? Wait? Shall we say it together? One? Two, three?
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  Speaker 1: We're going on tour that'll sink in the ad eventually.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine that, but with more enthusiasm because we're very excited.
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  Speaker 1: We haven't gone on to work in three human years.
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  Speaker 1: That's twenty one dog years. Wow, that's so true. I
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  Speaker 1: am really good at math. So and put a pen
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  Speaker 1: and dog because that's going to come back in a
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  Speaker 1: few seconds. But for now, we're going to just tell
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  Speaker 1: you some preliminary facts about the tour. It's on the
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  Speaker 1: West coast of the United States, so we're going everyone else.
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  Speaker 1: So we're starting in Los Angeles Ever heard of it?
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  Speaker 1: With a show on January at the Alesion Theater the
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  Speaker 1: movie Get and that's where the Dog comes back in
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  Speaker 1: because it's and it is a dog coming of age movie.
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  Speaker 1: It is a goofy movie. We've got been getting requests
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  Speaker 1: from this since the beginning, and it's finally time to
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  Speaker 1: cover a goofy movie. We can't wait, a coming of
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  Speaker 1: age dog movie. Can you believe it? Can you believe it?
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  Speaker 1: Then we are going to be scooting scooting on up
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  Speaker 1: on foot I believe Caitlin and I will be hiking. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: that's why there's a bit of a gap all the
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  Speaker 1: way to San Francisco for San Francisco Sketch Festival. We've
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  Speaker 1: done it before. If you've been before, come out again.
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  Speaker 1: That's on February one. And where is that, Caitlin. That's
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  Speaker 1: at the Gateway Theater in San Francisco, and we are
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  Speaker 1: covering George of the Jungle. Sorry, sorry, sorry, George, George
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  Speaker 1: George Jungle. Uh. And then guess what, We're continuing to
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  Speaker 1: scoot on up to Portland, Oregon. We will be at
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  Speaker 1: Curious Comedy Theater and a theater we love. We're doing
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  Speaker 1: two shows in Portland. The first is with the wonderful
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  Speaker 1: Sarah Marshall of You're Wrong About and You Are Good.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to be covering the Goonies. And then at
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  Speaker 1: nine pm, Caitlin, what did tell me more? Okay? Also,
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  Speaker 1: this is on February twod oh ship, did I not
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  Speaker 1: say that? Groundhog Day? But don't think about the movie
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  Speaker 1: groundhog Day because that has nothing to do with our tour.
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  Speaker 1: We covered that, we did it already. Sorry bitch. Six
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  Speaker 1: years ago. Okay, so first shows at seven pm with
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  Speaker 1: Sarah Marshall the Goonies. Second show is at nine pm.
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  Speaker 1: It is a surprise mystery guest and a surprise mystery movie.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be a banger. I'm very excited. Come
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  Speaker 1: to one, come to both, come to both. None of
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  Speaker 1: my business, but it will be different, different shows. And
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  Speaker 1: then finally we are scooting on up, continuing our journey
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  Speaker 1: on foot to Seattle. And on February five, we're doing
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  Speaker 1: a show at Laughs Comedy Club and we are covering
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  Speaker 1: the Goonies again because guess what, it's hard work to
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  Speaker 1: do a tour and it's a lot to do a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of different movies. So well, yeah it's we're doing
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  Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest Classics. And so if you're in Seattle, come
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  Speaker 1: on up for for the Goonies in Seattle. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we're really excited to go. We're really excited to see
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  Speaker 1: everybody again. Um, we will have merch for you. We
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  Speaker 1: sell exclusive posters and stuff like that, designed by Jamie,
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  Speaker 1: the one and only designed by Mrs Jamie herself. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we can't wait to see you and hang out. And uh,
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  Speaker 1: it's been eighty four years since it's been eighty four years,
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  Speaker 1: really makes you think. So what you're gonna do is
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  Speaker 1: go to our link tree, which is it's always so
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  Speaker 1: weird to say the link of link tree because it's
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  Speaker 1: l I n K t R dot E E flash
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  Speaker 1: by actual cast, and that's where each of the ticket
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  Speaker 1: links will be to buy tickets for our shows. We
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  Speaker 1: love you so much. We're really excited. Get your tickets now,
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  Speaker 1: because they are actually genuinely going fast. Usually when I
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  Speaker 1: say that, I'm lying, but this time I'm really not.
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  Speaker 1: This time it's true, And yeah, brag. Our tickets are
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  Speaker 1: moving fast, so you're gonna want to grab them soon,
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  Speaker 1: all right, and we'll see you there, West Coast, see
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  Speaker 1: you there. On the Doll cast, the questions asked if
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  Speaker 1: movies have women and um are all their discussions just
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  Speaker 1: boyfriends and husbands or do they have individualism? The patriarchy
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  Speaker 1: zef invest start changing it with the beck Del cast.
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  Speaker 1: Ho ho ho, Jamie, No, you can't say that anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Oh sorry, Yeah, Christmas is problematic. I forgot it's me
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  Speaker 1: the woke mob. I'm offended. Cut that out. I'm pissed. No,
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  Speaker 1: you know what the War on Christmas has lasted long enough,
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  Speaker 1: and I won't stand for it. Okay, fine, what are
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  Speaker 1: you gonna do about it? Retire? Maybe I will this this.
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  Speaker 1: In many ways, I feel like the piece of media
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  Speaker 1: we're discussing today is just like so beautifully profoundly American,
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  Speaker 1: because it's just a long winded way of telling a
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  Speaker 1: man he can never retire. It's not going to be possible,
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  Speaker 1: and in fact, it would be morally wrong to retire.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos wouldn't be a good Santa. So you can
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  Speaker 1: never retire, is my takeaway. That is exactly what this
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  Speaker 1: show is about. Welcome to the Bechtel Cast. My name
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  Speaker 1: is Jamie Loftis, my name is Caitlin Darante, and this
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  Speaker 1: is our show where we examine usually movies. But guess
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  Speaker 1: what we're doing today for the very first time in
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  Speaker 1: Becktel cast history. We said we'd never do it. But
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  Speaker 1: we're like, we're not going to cover TV. We just
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  Speaker 1: we don't have the time. It's two time considers we
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  Speaker 1: won't be moving forward except there's already been a season two.
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  Speaker 1: But what were we gonna do not cover the Santa Clauses?
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  Speaker 1: What are we five years old? Of course we're going
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  Speaker 1: to cover the Santa Clauses. It's important that we do so,
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  Speaker 1: it's critical. Yes, I feel like we don't even need
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  Speaker 1: to explain what the Bechtel test is today because this
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  Speaker 1: show passes it with flying colors. Anyways, so I'm not
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  Speaker 1: even worried about it, not even an issue. And this
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  Speaker 1: show kind of transcends themes. It's it's kind of a
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  Speaker 1: tone poem. I would say. That's definitely what I said
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  Speaker 1: in the pitch. There's so wait, can we let's let's
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  Speaker 1: unpack this. Let's let's get our guests in the room
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  Speaker 1: because Caitlin and I full disclosure, didn't come in with
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  Speaker 1: all the information because which is wow, because Grace, we're
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  Speaker 1: very close, and I just thought like you would have
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  Speaker 1: told me, well, I've just I've been really you know, busy.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard making a TV show, Yeah, is it? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's have so many questions, but okay, okay, So let's
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  Speaker 1: introduce our guests. You know, our guest from our episodes
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  Speaker 1: on the Santa Claus one, two, and three and although
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  Speaker 1: we did record it one three and two for some reason,
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  Speaker 1: right right, right right, never forget and in a surprise
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  Speaker 1: twist that we just found out about the other major
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  Speaker 1: credit for our guest is that she is the head
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  Speaker 1: writer of the Santa Clauses. It's Grace Freud. What the fuck? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was an incredible experience. I am really proud of
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  Speaker 1: what we made together, and it's been magical right from
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  Speaker 1: the Goya. When I met Tim for the first time,
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  Speaker 1: I say, Hi, I'm Grace and he says Greg. I said, no, Grace.
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  Speaker 1: He says Grace. I said, yeah, Grace. He says Grace.
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  Speaker 1: I said yeah, Grace, because oh yeah, I said yeah, Grace.
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  Speaker 1: He says, okay. And I think the comedic wonder of
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  Speaker 1: that conversation he really shines through at every moment of
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  Speaker 1: the show. Yeah, I think. I mean, I would say
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  Speaker 1: I'm surprised to hear that things went that naturally to
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  Speaker 1: begin with, but it really it really comes forth in
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  Speaker 1: the work. The work is just unbelievable. I mean, it
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  Speaker 1: kind of speaks for itself. Yeah. I think that it
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  Speaker 1: was very humbly to work with Tim because he was
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  Speaker 1: so impressed by my capabilities as a writer and a
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  Speaker 1: comedian that he couldn't look me in the eyes. He
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  Speaker 1: never once looked me in the eyes, and I took
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  Speaker 1: that to be I was. I was honored to work
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  Speaker 1: with him, but he was so honored to work with me.
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  Speaker 1: It's like he was almost afraid to be around me
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  Speaker 1: and that that was incredible. But yeah, I'm really proud
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  Speaker 1: of what we made together. I mean, I would say
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  Speaker 1: in awe problem. I mean, that's how I'm interpreting that
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  Speaker 1: is just an absolute awe because it's like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: he's a mere cocaine felon, you know, like he can't
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  Speaker 1: do what you do. Mmmm. Yeah. I tell stories with
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  Speaker 1: words right famously, and Tim tells stories with noises, Like
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  Speaker 1: you know, he's not great at saying words, but he's
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  Speaker 1: so good at a grunt. He's basically the the Cary
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  Speaker 1: Grant of grunts. And it was an honor to work
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  Speaker 1: with him. And it's an honor to talk about this
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  Speaker 1: continuation of a universe. I so love on this podcast
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  Speaker 1: and it was interesting how you and it passes the
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  Speaker 1: Bechdel test because it does. But that's the reason I've
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  Speaker 1: been fired going into season two. Oh Mike, you're not
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  Speaker 1: coming back. Well, I'm coming back in a slightly different role, okay,
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  Speaker 1: which I can talk more about landering what you were
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  Speaker 1: fired because you made the show pass the Bechdel test
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  Speaker 1: too much, or it wasn't supposed to. Yeah, it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: supposed to really pretty much. Tim's only request was for
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  Speaker 1: it to not pass the Bechdel test. Lease, don't let
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  Speaker 1: women talk to each other if you if you remember,
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  Speaker 1: the third Santa Claus film does in fact fast the
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  Speaker 1: Bechtel test. That's why he didn't do anymore for so long.
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  Speaker 1: He was so mad about it. Yeah, I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: honestly was surprised. I thought that El Camino Christmas was
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  Speaker 1: going to be kind of the new direction. But when
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  Speaker 1: that didn't get a sequel, shockingly well and he dies
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  Speaker 1: at the end, So yeah, but he could have come back. Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's a unique could have come back in Santa Clause.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it's true. The lore is there, um Grace. The
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  Speaker 1: thing is like, what we didn't realize. We didn't know
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  Speaker 1: that you were the head writer when we started preparing
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  Speaker 1: for this episode. So I feel like the tone of
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  Speaker 1: our notes, I guess I just want to like say,
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  Speaker 1: everything we have is constructive, and I'm sure that you
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  Speaker 1: have like an answer for everything, and so like, I
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  Speaker 1: guess I'm just now feeling very insecure about kind of
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  Speaker 1: the tone of my notes. I don't think. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think you should feel that way at all. I think
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  Speaker 1: any piece of powerful art is going to have just
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  Speaker 1: as powerful of a response. And to me, this is
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  Speaker 1: a symposium And I'm sorry, do you mean something like
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  Speaker 1: Santo posiums st which is the zac type of joke
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  Speaker 1: that you consistently wrote into the show? Yeah? Oh, those
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  Speaker 1: I did not write those jokes. You didn't, Oh, I see, Okay, Sorry,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't write. In fact, none of our writers wrote
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  Speaker 1: those jokes. Who did? Who wrote the jokes? Well? Tim
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  Speaker 1: had a friend on set that, as far as we
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  Speaker 1: can tell, has no comedy, film or television experience. Where
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  Speaker 1: do you meet Where do you meet Tim? How do
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  Speaker 1: they know each other? From what I could understand, this
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  Speaker 1: man knew Tim from some sort of what did they
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  Speaker 1: call it? Blood gambit? I believe that at some point
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  Speaker 1: in the past few years, Tim lost a wager and
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  Speaker 1: now this man has final cut on all of Tim's projects.
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  Speaker 1: I see. That's shocking to hear. But also you know,
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  Speaker 1: to I get it. You know Tim's gotta do it.
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  Speaker 1: Tim's gotta do It's just it's a challenging piece. I
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  Speaker 1: will say, Let's I would actually like to start with
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  Speaker 1: like a compliment, just like top of my head one
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  Speaker 1: of my favorite jokes, So Caitlin, I mean, I know
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  Speaker 1: that you're going to have trouble kind of you know,
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  Speaker 1: parsing out what what joke is the best? You know?
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  Speaker 1: But I I think that my favorite joke was before
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  Speaker 1: one of the many astronomically expensive music cues that appear
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  Speaker 1: in this television show. This one's right before I have
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  Speaker 1: the Tiger, and I believe and Grace correct me if
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  Speaker 1: I'm not quoting this. Well, Scott Calvin say something like, actually,
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  Speaker 1: I have this Santa Tiger and then I have the
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  Speaker 1: Tiger starts one of I think the most expensive music
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  Speaker 1: cues that you could do. But it just seems like
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  Speaker 1: it just had to happen that way. And I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I was on the floor. Yeah, I um decided to say,
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  Speaker 1: prifice my salary so we could have that thirty seconds
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  Speaker 1: sequence that I have a Tiger. I didn't get end
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  Speaker 1: up getting paid a cent for this job because of that.
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  Speaker 1: That's now who had to give up their their salary
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  Speaker 1: for girls just want to have fun? Who was on
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  Speaker 1: the chopping block for that one? I stopped paying the
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  Speaker 1: I stopped paying all of the writers assistants for that
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  Speaker 1: that was a me choice, though they didn't they wanted
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  Speaker 1: to be paid when I well, it's kind of Stu.
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  Speaker 1: That's not very Christmas spirity of them. So what I'm
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  Speaker 1: learning is that you became a bit like cal Penn's
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  Speaker 1: character in this show. Not at all, okay, because I
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  Speaker 1: would say that cal Penn's character who does not have
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  Speaker 1: a name, we referred to it was kal Pen's character
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  Speaker 1: in the show. Actually to the point where cal Penn
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  Speaker 1: says at one point, cal what a cool name. That's
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  Speaker 1: the line that I think is really going to get
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  Speaker 1: us an Emmy. Oh okay, that was for an Emmy. Well,
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  Speaker 1: don't forget the part where there's like a smoke monster.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's an episode six. And then Carol, who
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  Speaker 1: was famously in Lost, is like, I think I've seen
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  Speaker 1: one of these before because there was famously a smoke
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  Speaker 1: monster in Lost. Wow, I gotta tell you that went
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  Speaker 1: right over my head. Our metrics show that most you know,
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  Speaker 1: this was targeted to kids between five and eleven, and
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  Speaker 1: our metrics show that most kids have c Lost and
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  Speaker 1: get that joke. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's why the two
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  Speaker 1: big things for elementary school age kids right now are
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  Speaker 1: lost at Harold and kumartin movies. So oh, I thought, oh,
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  Speaker 1: that's they like they watched Harold and Kumar. I was
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  Speaker 1: wondering if they just really loved former Obama staffers. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know if that was like where they knew Calpen
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  Speaker 1: from Harold and Kumart or the Obama administration. Actually, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we're hoping they don't find out about that, because we're
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  Speaker 1: finding that a lot of kids those age their politics
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  Speaker 1: are kind of more like Romney Republican, you know, like
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  Speaker 1: stand against Trump. But also you know, essentially Mormon. Mormonism
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  Speaker 1: is really popular with elementary school kids now too, And
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  Speaker 1: I think you see that in the show. I mean
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  Speaker 1: really because basically the mythology of how Santa works is
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  Speaker 1: essentially the Book of Mormon. You can track it like
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  Speaker 1: point for point. So we kind of ripped them off
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  Speaker 1: but lovingly. But yeah, I mean I think that, like,
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  Speaker 1: was I a little tyrannical in the room? Yeah? Did?
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't going to ask that. Did I fire a
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  Speaker 1: few people? Yeah? Well that's why I'm saying you were
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  Speaker 1: like kal Pen's character he and he also anti union.
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  Speaker 1: It's well okay, But okay, so I did that all
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  Speaker 1: of that stuff to get into the mind of cal
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  Speaker 1: Pen's character, but I was not that is not like
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  Speaker 1: cal Penn's character at all, because he would never walk
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  Speaker 1: the walk, you know, like he doesn't walk the walk
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  Speaker 1: of Santa I walked the walk of kal Penn's character,
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  Speaker 1: so I could walk the walk of being a good
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  Speaker 1: showrunner and writing a good piece of television. And I
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  Speaker 1: really like to think of it as a movie that
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: has been broken up into episodes that each have their
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  Speaker 1: own beginning, middle, and ends. It's three hours long. Avatar
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  Speaker 1: two is three hours long. It's an avatars worth of
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  Speaker 1: the Santa Claus. Why can't um If you need proof
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  Speaker 1: that there's a war on Christmas, it's the fact that
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  Speaker 1: Avatar The Way of Water is being called a movie,
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  Speaker 1: but the Santa Claus is is not being called a
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  Speaker 1: work of film. It's reduced to television. Yeah, it will
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  Speaker 1: not even be considered for the Academy Awards. The Academy
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  Speaker 1: won't even consider the Santa Clauses for Best Picture, for
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  Speaker 1: Best Picture, for Best Screenplay, for Best Direction, for Best
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  Speaker 1: Lead Acting, Special Effects. Yeah, is there a music? Is there?
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  Speaker 1: Is there a Best Callback Music Montage category at the Oscars.
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  Speaker 1: No oh, probably because Christmas movies usually do that beast
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  Speaker 1: every year. It really is. The Academy is like, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we know the Academy is like really fucked up. But
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  Speaker 1: the fact that it's like, you know that the nominations
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: are going to come out and there's going to be
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  Speaker 1: like not even for Cruton, are we going to be
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  Speaker 1: seeing a nomination, which at very least it's like Cruton's
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  Speaker 1: performance is above Like you know, it doesn't even matter
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  Speaker 1: if if the work is good, which it is, but like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we Cruton brings. It's unbelievable. Best Supporting Elf is what
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  Speaker 1: that character deserves, not even a category. I just don't
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  Speaker 1: understand what, you know, take like everything everywhere all at once.
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  Speaker 1: It's a it's a film that people love in large
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  Speaker 1: part because it's about, you know, the cycle of like
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  Speaker 1: trauma and you know, intergenerational trauma and being immigrants and
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  Speaker 1: and queerness. And that's exactly what The Santa Clauss is about.
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  Speaker 1: This is a family immigrated to the North Pole dealings
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  Speaker 1: with the intergenerational trauma of that, and you know, the
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: daughter is queer because she thinks horses are sexy or something. Oh, Grace,
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  Speaker 1: I have a question about that. How did you cast
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  Speaker 1: the voice for their being tear that says you're my
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  Speaker 1: best friend just like that? Yeah, what did you find?
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  Speaker 1: What was the casting process like that? Surely that wasn't
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  Speaker 1: scratch audio, right, that was Yeah, that was actually a
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  Speaker 1: pretty a pretty long process because in my plans for
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: season two, who knows if if they'll go with them,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: but in my plans for season two that reindeer Steve
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  Speaker 1: was going to be the villain, so we actually cast
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: it's he has the spirit of John Wayne Gaycy in him.
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  Speaker 1: So we actually cast someone context is key to have
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: like a scary serial killer John Wayne Gacy voice, And
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: we took that seriously because you know, John Wayne Gacy
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  Speaker 1: caused real harm to real people. So when you when
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: you cast someone to play him, whether as a human
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: or as a ghost living in side of a reindeer,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: you have to respect that and find an after who
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: can really embody that character. And so we we went
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: with Cuba Gooding jr. Um. Oh you gotta wow, because
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: he I mean, he did he did O j he
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: was ojay Yeah, and he was he was available and
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: he's done a lot of bad stuff, much like John
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Wayne Gazy. Yeah, no regrets on that. I think he
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: did kill He really did a great job. I just
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I just have one more question before we get into
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: the recap, because it's kind of going on that theme now.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm kind of a pedestrian viewer. I like,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm not much of an art house gal.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: So this is very possible that this is just I'm
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: just operating thoroughly out of my wheelhouse here. But in
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: the final episode, Sandra opens a closet door and begins
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: speaking to something. I was pretty afraid of this creature.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: You know, you could tell his computer generated and it
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: kind of like kind of talk like this, Yeah, could
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: you what was What was that? That was not computer
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: generated at all? My god, I'm so embarrassed right now.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: What's I'm sorry. Disney has been working on creating special
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: creatures and beasts. Oh, they're like genetically engineering. They're genetically
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: engineering new animals two be in their films for when
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: like they're worried that the c g I artists are
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: are unionizing, so instead of giving you know, meeting their demands,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: paying them the extra ted mill or whatever, it would
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: cost on any given project. They've decided to spend upwards
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: of a hundred billion dollars trying to just genetically engineer
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: every any given creature they would they would need to
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: see g I into uh into a film or a
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: TV show, which is why disease. It's it's about God.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's well, yeah, it's it's about It's there.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: I think their move is to use these creatures to
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: rise up and take control of the economy. I don't
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: know what other move they have, because God, they've gotten
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: really good at making these things. But boy did it
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: cost a lot of money. But it sounds a little crasp,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: but I just feel like that creature could have gone
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: through another couple of drafts. I found it very unsettling.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: But it looked very strong. I will say it looked
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: very very I'm confident it could have killed me. Yeah,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: we call that a pist slip. The scientists name it.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: The scientists are very crass. They don't really have the
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Disney spirit um nor the creativity that someone like you,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: the head writer of this show has. Yeah. Yeah, I
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: didn't get to pick by the way. Really, they just
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: gave me one, just like we want to it's like
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: as a pet. Oh, we put it down. Okay. I
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: was worried because if it just kicked the door. No, no,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: we put it. We put that, We put that little
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: bugger down. Yeah. Was that. I want to help Sandra
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: but didn't even come back in the episode. Did I
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: pluck out like I think? Doesn't come back? It helped
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: find the coat kind of, you know. The great thing
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: about the search for the coat was that no one
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: really had to do anything, and of a sudden it
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: was just that. Yeah, you know, that was I think
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: a real stroke of genius. My favorite part about it
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: coat was fun. It was crawling for its life when
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I was dying. Oh yeah, suddenly it's a sentient or
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: is it a santient? Santient coat? There you go. Someone
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: might have just gotten a job on season two. If
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: you're hiring Shell, I will still be hiring and running
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: the show. But kind of from the shadows, Um, I've
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: been devoted a shadow show runner. Sure, sure, but it
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: did an initial interview for it and oh, I don't
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: know if we need an interview with you, Jamie. Um,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: I just feel like, oh that's fine. You know, you
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: just haven't been quite bringing the pun game that we
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: really need. I was just gonna say. I was like,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: you know, I I heard, you know, because people talk.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: I heard that Santa Claus season two might want to
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: be using sympathy for the Devil for no reason in
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: episode three, and I would be willing to forsake my
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: three hundred sixty four days pay to make that possible,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: you know, if that would be Oh yeah, okay, yeah,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: let me think about that. Yeah. I think we're going
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: to be using sympathy for the Devil in most episodes.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: And it's actually a lot of season two is going
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: to be an exploration of the coats trauma, um see,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: and and that I think is a really worthwhile That's
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: a story that we want told. Okay, you know. I then, actually, respectfully,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna pull myself out of the running it.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: It would feel wrong to take up space when the
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: coat you know right there? Do you own a coat?
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: But I do. I do own a coat, and I
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: was clinging to it for dear life, and I've sort
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: of been reevaluating my relationship to the coat, realizing I've
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: lost a coat before, and you know, where where did
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: it end up? Didn't end up in cal Pen's clutches.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: You know, it's just sort of been a whole journey.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I know I have a lot of coat experience,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: if that's why you're asking. Yeah, okay, okay, yeah, literally
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: no pressure. Well, while you ponder that, shall I do
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: the recap? Oh yeah, I'd sure love to see you try.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna try my damnedest. But before we before I
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: get into it, let's take a quick break and we're back.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: All right, all right, Grace, if you have any uh,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: you know, notes or insights, feel free to to let
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: us know, you know, kind of as we're going, because
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: I just like this is such a behind the scenes street. Yeah,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: it's difficult to recap the Santa Clauses because it's not
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: only a tone poem, but it's kind of like an
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: impressionistic visual work. I really have my work cut out
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, yeah, good luck, thank you. I'm gonna
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: go episode by episode. Did you say the episode titles too?
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Because I have a question right away, which is why
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: is the first episode called good to Ho? Well? Why
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: is it called good to Ho? Grace? You have a
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: the insight it's because I gasped. It's basically what happened
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: is we had to cut a subplot that would have
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: dealt with really tastefully. Despite the term in the title,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: it would have really tastefully dealt with, Like it was
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: mostly about like reindeer sex work in the North Pool,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: and so it wasn't aware And so while that that's
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: a derogatory term, it was in there because some of
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: the characters we're using it and by the end of
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: the episode learned, Oh, that's not good for me to do.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: That's interesting because I mean that's actually helpful because what
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: remains is a little baffling because in that the space
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: of that episode, you know, you see the episode title
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: good to how and you you're in your mind, you're like,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: this show is for five to eight year old why
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: would they title Why would they title that for adults?
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: You know? And then later in the episode and Elf,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: who's a doctor, has the same phrase written on a
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: tape measure. Yeah. Yeah, again. I think before we took
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: out this like really thought provoking subplot, a lot of
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: that would have made sense. And in fact, I think
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: taking out that subplot makes a lot of this. I
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: think that's my biggest regret of what we did on
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: the show. Mainly because when you're rewatching it, you know,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: which I'm sure you will very rewatch whenever you see
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: a reindeer, doesn't that reindeer look like it's just came?
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: And because we got off the subplot you're my best friend,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: we don't know what I say. Every time after I come,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: that's usually what I will say. Yeah, because we cut
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: out that subplot, we don't share the reindeers fucking at all. Yeah,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: but the reindeers are acting like when Steve says, look,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: one of the reasons he says, it's so weird. It's
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: not just the ghost of John Wayne Gacy played by
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Cuba Gooding Jr. It's also because, oh, he's tired. He's
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: been going at it. Yeah, he's huffing and puffing. Wow,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: it's true. And just one last thing before I didn't
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: find this out for the entire time I was watching
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: all Avatar's worth of this. Um Sandra is played by
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Tim Allen's actual daughter. Oh did not realize that either, Yeah, yes, okay,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: they met on set. Well, I think we have all
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: the information we need, all the context we need to
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: to dive in. So episode one, good to ho it's
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Christmas Eve Santa Scott Calvin Santa who we know in
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: of from the first three movies. He's out delivering gifts
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: with his elf friend Noel. Uh. He reflects on how
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: it's been twenty eight years since he's been Santa Claus.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: But oh no, his Santa magic falters a bit. He
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: returns to the North Pole. We meet head Elf Betty
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: and some of the other else. Looks like Kara Delavine
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: got hit with a shrink ray. Yes, oh god, she
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: looks like baby Kara del Vine. I know she's also
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: on Station eleven, but I haven't seen that show, so
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: I thought baby Kara de la Vine. Anyways, so maybe
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: First Woman had alf ever progressive Tim could not have
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: been happy about Can you just consider that going? Like
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: you just remember that that we did that? Really cool?
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Really cool? Yeah, it was good. So she and some
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: of the other Elves and Mrs Claus are all concerned
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: about Santa's magic and how it isn't working properly. The
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: woke mob is that? I mean that was I assume
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: it was political correctness was taking away from the magic
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: of of Scott's Christmas. Right. Well, you've seen the end
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: of the of the season, which very clearly doesn't answer
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: what was happening, and we did that intentionally, so it
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: looks like it's the jacket, it's the witch, it's the orb.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: You really can't say we were saying political correctness was
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: doing that to Santa's magic because the ending is so
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: intentionally unclear that you just simply can't say that. And
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: that's how you get a second season. Honey, exactly, answering,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: no question. Yeah, the SAX season is going to deal
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: with that at all. But yes, yeah, okay, So they
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: think that this loss of Christmas magic is happening because
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: not enough children around the world believe in or need
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Santa Claus anymore. So Santa is like, well, I guess
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: I'd better work harder to try to be a better Santa,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: and I need to gain weight, and so there's a
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: whole montage of him trying to gain weight and do
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: some other things to try to be a better Santa,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: more like I have the Santa Tiger. Yes, yes, exactly, yeah,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: I think notably. You know, we had Santa crack a
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: couple of eggs, raw eggs into a glass and then
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: pour them over a bunch of candy and chocolate and
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: a blender pretty funny. I love that. I mean that
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: visual story that was really really funny. That's comedy. I
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: mean that is I think a joke that is just
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: kind of in the American lexicon. Now it is from
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: now on herd A. Yes, So we see this montage
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: where he's trying to be a better Santa, which is
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: mostly him eating candy, and this is all happening as
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: the year passes and we approached the next Christmas. Also,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Santa and Mrs Claus have two kids. Their son cal
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: a k A Buddy Calvin Claus who was he born
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: in one of the movies. Yeah, he was born at
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: the end of Santa Claus three Antilus three. Okay, right,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: you gotta get Carol something I do, as Tim would say.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: So there's cal Buddy, and then there's also their daughter Sandra.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: So the next Christmas rolls around, Santa is not excited
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: about Christmas as he used to be. The spirit is
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: just in general down. Meanwhile, cal Penn, whose name is
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: something like Simon something Simon chocks. Yes, but he's he's
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: kind of a he's kind of a Jeff Bezos type.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: But and Grace, I thought this was a really really
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: smart choice. What if we were voting for Jeff Bezos
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: as if he was an underdog, and I had never
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: thought of it that way, And now I feel so
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: freaking bad for things I've said over the years. How
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: dare you? Yeah, it's it's really I think with the
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: character of cow Pens character. And again, you guys made
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: up the name for him on the spot. We never
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: we never gave him a name. We wanted to do
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: kind of like a spoken word but with visuals of
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: where capitalism is at in our country right now. And
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: I think what we say is it's at a pretty
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: good place. Yeah, well, I think we can all agree
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: with that. And I'm sure that you know, the cow
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Pens of the world need to say sorry, the cow
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Pens character of the world. Mean, yeah, I think that's
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: really true. I think you know, there's so many things happening.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: It's Oh, he runs this big company that has six
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: percent of the market share, which seems a lot of
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: the market. Um, and he's like made a bunch of
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: successful video games, but now he wants to be Amazon.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Amazon still exists in this world too, and everyone's and
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: apparently he has to go to a venture capital fir
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: him to get more funds even though he's already very successful. Yeah,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: and his daughter doesn't seem like she goes to school.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: It seems like she goes to the venture capital firm. Yes,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: as well, she's his assistant. Yeah, yes, yes, And I
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: think that raises a lot of questions. I think everything
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: I just said raises a lot of questions. And I
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: think America should ask themselves the questions and provide the
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: answers themselves, and that will help us as a country
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: find our soul again. If I have hubris, if if
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: I provided the answers to these questions about cow Pen's character,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: I would basically be saying, this is what's wrong, and
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: this is how to fix the economy. That's not your responsibility,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: and I don't know how to do that. And it's
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: such a classic Christmas tale, you know, to really quickly
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: and automatically forgive the ostensible villain of the story by
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: just reminding people that he had a dead not just
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: a dead wife, but a dead wife who existed in
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: an entirely different aspect ratio as the rest of the show. Yes, yes, yes,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: she existed cow Pens modern life. That was that one
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: of your creative choices, Grace yeah, I want to I movie.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Right before we put that episode up, I changed she
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: real quick, right live. Yeah, I think he could have
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: gone Ken Burns, but I appreciated the artistic choice was
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: in Ken in the fact that would be so just slowly.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: I think another great thing we were able to do
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: with that character is you're supposed to root for him
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: up until all of a sudden he's the most evil
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: man to ever be in the North Pole, and then
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: you're supposed to root for him again. And that is
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: much like life, and that's just good writing. I would say,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: um So cal Pen he's the CEO of an Amazon
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: like company called Everything Now, but the companies in trouble
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: because of their system of delivering packages being really shitty.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: They're they're bad drones, bad drones. When the drones go
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: to the North Pole, they have gunn and they're good
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: and they're like very competent drones, which is I just
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: thought that was a fun call back to um the
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: aggressive militarization that Scott Calvin put in place in the Pole,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: because it wasn't extremely militarized before Scott, you know, was
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: not elected, took control, rested control of the North Pole.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: He does you know, run a little bit of a
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: tight ship up there, and he's you know, the elves
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: are militarized, always have been, and you know now we've
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: outsourced that work to the drones. And I think that
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: that's really um responsible, I mean art imitating life much Yeah,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: um okay. So then the episode ends on the following
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Christmas Eve, Santa is out delivering gifts, but he falls
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: off of a roof and maybe he's dead. That was, again,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: just a really alarming way to end the pilot episode.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Is killing Tim Allen? Okay, I thought it was upset.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Here's what here's the direction I thought the show was
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: going to go in, So Grace, maybe you have an
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: explanation for why what was clearly being set up never
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: ends up happening. Where So there's a moment in episode
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: one that I didn't mention, but cal pen he's like
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: all stressed out because his company sucks. He goes outside,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: he looks up into the sky and he sees Santa
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: like teleporting and he's like, if Santa can do it,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: so can I not paid off? On? So, I thought
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: the show was going to set up that cal Penn's
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: character was going to try to kill Santa to take
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: over his spot as Santa. But that doesn't happen. Someone
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: could have told him that Santa Claus, and then that
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: would have been he would have been a really scary villain.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: It kind of would have been cool. Well, we didn't
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: really want to make a cool show. We wanted to
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: make a heartwarming show, right, so you can't really make
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: a warm show that's cool. Wow, those are two ends
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: of a spectrum, that's right. That that just doesn't add up,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: you know. Surprisingly enough, on set, Cal was constantly trying
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: to kill Tim Outen in real life because I assume
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: that's why he took the job. When he when he
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: took the job, he thought he was going to end
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: the season as Santa, and when he found out he wasn't,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: he was very, very angry. So he got it in
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: his head that if he killed Tim, he he would
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: then become Santa in the show. And I kept saying, Cal,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: put the gun down, put the gun down, That's not
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: how it works. But he just kept at it. He
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: just kept at it. I can't believe we finished. He's
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: a bad shot. He's just a bad shot, you know.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: I think maybe he's shooting at Tim. Hell. Yeah, yeah,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: I think he. I think cal might be uh might
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: be h token up a little bit too much like
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: like his famous like his famous President Obama. Yeah, like
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: President Obama. Yeah, like his his hero. Okay, Okay, I
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: would just like to say Tim loved it. Okay, Tim
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: loved the excitement. And also the other thing that he
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: loved is one of those bullets killed his friend who
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: he had the blood game bit with. So after episode four,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Tim was free. Um, and that's why it gots really
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: really good around u. Yeah. And that's about the time
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: that him and Kel you know, made up. Okay, and
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: it shows, it shows on screen. Yeah. Okay. Episode two
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: the successes clause. Actually, let's take another quick break and
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: then we will come back for more recap and we're back. Okay.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: So we are at episode two. Santa, having just fallen
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: off the roof, is lying in the snow. But don't worry,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: he's not dead. He was low key falling off and
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: then he fell off of the roof. Yeah. So he
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: returns to the North and Elf Betty is like, look,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: let me tell you about something called the successes clause,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: where if Santa doesn't want to be Santa anymore, he
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: can retire and choose a successor, and Mrs Claus really
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: likes this idea of him retiring, and Betty and some
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: of the other elves think it's a good idea too,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: because they've been noticing his magic faltering, you know, Christmas
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: spirits down, all that stuff. I just want to jump
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: in really quick and say that what I really liked
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: how Carol's arc, which it really builds up to a
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: call back to the Santa Claus too that I forgot
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: about where she fights large nutcrackers but toy soldiers. Sorry,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: my bad, that's my political correctness. Get But Carol, her
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: whole thing is that she the'se uh you know, I
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: think that a lot of people will say falls into
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: kind of empty girl bos stereotypes, but I didn't view
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: it that way at all. She's just like, you know,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: she's slowly forgetting who she was in her earlier life,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: and so she's kind of just like walking around yelling
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: about that for about four episodes before anything really demonstrably changes.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: And I thought that was, you know, felt much like life. Yeah,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of this show is very slice
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: of life, or when you peel back, most of the
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: layers are a bit of a modern family. Yeah, a
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: bit of a post modern family even. Wow, well holy,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: that is why they pay you the big box. Yes,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: that was good. This is why they paid me. They
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: were going to pay me a lot of money, which
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: is good because that my salary was big enough so
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: that when I when I said to forego it, we
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: were able to purchase the right side of the Tiger. Right.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: I was like, that's big books that I wish I
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: could give my kids at Christmas this year. But you know,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: I have the Tiger. I think worth it. I think.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: So Santa has the idea to retire but still be
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: able to stay in the North Pole. And how that's
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: going to work is he's going to have his son,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Charlie be his successor. So he visits Charlie in Florida.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: There's a fun little Jurassic Park reference there, but Charlie
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: doesn't want to do it. He's an adult now and
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: he has a his wife and kids, and she's and
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: let me just say though, I think I found Charlie's
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: wife to be maybe maybe a bit trill, But you know,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day, women be
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: like that. Women famously be trill. So that tracks it's
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: so interesting that you read that character as his wife.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Oh sorry, the intention they are two best friends platonically
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: raising kids together. Okay, incredibly close minded of me. I'm
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: so sorry. They're in a platonic marriage, so like legally
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: it is his wife, but sexually, emotionally, they wouldn't use
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: those terms, you know, for each other. And this is
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: actually huge because Charlie in this episode is the first
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: ever gay Disney character who is married to a woman
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: that he that he's only had sex with. Twis wow,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: to have those children, I have the kids, have the kids.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: So much all about Charlie. But the man makes his shocked,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: you know, And I think that that's to be applauded.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: I think that's that's incredible. Congratulations on making history in
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: the Santa class. That's to saying, since a closet, I'm
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: so sorry. Yeah, And I thought again, I'm like bringing
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: my you know, everyman brain to to my viewing experience.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: I thought, you know, for sure, Charlie's this is gonna
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: be the only scene he's going to be in, a
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: scene you could cut out, no problem, wouldn't matter. But
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: he doesn't come back. He doesn't cut you know. And
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: I think that that's really cool that he he made
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: his decision he wanted to continue to peacefully co parent
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: in Florida, and and and bless him, and we didn't
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: hear from him again. It doesn't seem like, you know,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: like many of Tim Allen's kids, that doesn't seem like
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: they really keep in touch. Wasn't there a little girl
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: from maybe Santa Claus three that was like his not stepdaughter?
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was it Charlie's stepsister's. Oh yeah, right. Anyway,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: so Scott Calvin is like, oh, well, if Charlie doesn't
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: want to become Santa Claus, maybe my other her son,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Cal will want to become Santa Claus. But cal doesn't
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: want to either, and neither Cal nor Sandra too busy
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: playing all those damn video games. I love that arc
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: for him. A lot of people, I think, thought that
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: the VR helmet was just like a a prop used
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: in in promotional images to just show that he was
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: this techy guy. But no, it's in every It's in
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: every episode. It really is. We use it a lot.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: That's kind of his whole thing. And how he's able
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: to replace the VR in front of his face with
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: a woman, which is you know, I mean those two things. Yeah,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: another game for him to play. I love giving the game.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: So so Cal doesn't want to be Santa Claus, and
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: neither Cal nor Sandra really like living in the North Pole,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: so they're also pro their dad retiring. Meanwhile, Christmas spirit
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: continues to dwindle around the world, and this is something
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: that they know because there's this like Christmas orb that
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: the brighter it shines, the more Christmas spirit there is,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: the doller and darker it is, the less Christmas Spirit
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: there is. However, something I notice is, no matter how
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: little Christmas Spirit there seems to be, the orb always
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: looks the exact same. It doesn't seem to be getting
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: any darker or lighter. Was this another creative choice or
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: the effect? Basically? You you you seem to have misunderstood
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: the entire I'm sorry, Yes, it's it's multiple times it
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: says it's about the brightness. But one time Betty or
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Cara Delvin, it was and she was played by Kara.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: We got Kara that is like Martin Scorsese, like age technology.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: How did you do that? We cut her up real good?
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: Oh you mean like cosmetic surgery. Yeah, we meet her
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: legs real short or would it be claus metic surgery? Yeah, okay,
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: am I am. I still in the running for a
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: job on season two. You've got it. It's really it's
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: really hard not to get piste off about this as
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: it's happening. Ye. Sorry, Jamie, I don't mean to be gloating. No,
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: it's all good. She at one point says that she's like, look,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: there's a black hole in the center and it's getting bigger.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: So really, I think it's if you notice the whole
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: gets slightly bigger and then all of a sudden it's
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: just gone. Yeah. I think there's just like some miscommunication.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: But also that is life, So we left it in
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: there because it is a slice of life, and magic
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: works much like life, of course, and the acting clearly
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: telegraphed it because every time someone picked up the ORB
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: they would say something like oh no, and you're like, well, okay,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: now I understand that's how I'm supposed to feel. That's
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: a bad way for the ORB to look. Even at
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: one point when Nol is hiding it behind his hand
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: and then he reveals it, it kind of looks fine,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: it looks the same. Well, he's got he's flashing it.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: He's got a flashlight, but even when he takes a
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: flashlight away, it still looks the exact same. Remember why
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: that couldn't be the case because we have the absolutely
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: iconic closing shot of episode three where it's like ninety
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: second straight of just looking at the orb And are
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: you telling me nothing had happened this during that? Are
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: you telling me it doesn't get darker during those ninety seconds?
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Are you telling me we're looking at essentially a static
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: or with nothing happening for for a minute. I don't
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: think I would have that happened on my television show.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: And I respect I mean all all of the you know,
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: ununionized and disrespected VR artists who had to work on
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: this show. You know, you can see that they certainly
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: brought it to the intro the opening credits because Caitlin
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: and I were saying back and forth it was kind
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: of like body horror. I think that it was the
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: genre I would put the opening credits in. But it
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: was fascinating. It was beautiful visual feast. I mean, like
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: the c g I artists, are they not unionized? That's true,
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: but you said there disrespected, and I just don't. I
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: just don't think that's the case, because Tim and his
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: friends every time that they ran into the c g
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: I artists would be you like, you know, good yet
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: hot pair of shoulders on you. Oh, very complimentary. Yeah,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: it's like, is that sexual? I don't know, it's shoulders like,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think that was just a
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: nice thing to say. I don't know, it's shoulder pointed.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: And that's a classic Hollywood phrase. You hear you hear
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: that around all the time. You've got good shoulders on
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: your shoulders. Yeah. Okay, So Santa Claus two sides to
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: officially retire for the sake of his family. He wants
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: to spend more time with his family and he announces
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: this to his elves. They all throw a fit. Meanwhile,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: cal Penn is still trying to figure out a way
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: to solve his company's package delivery problem, and he wants
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: to see if he can figure out a way to
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: recreate Santa's delivery system. And then one of the elves
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: e d I believe it's her name, goes to cal
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Pen and abducts him and his daughter Grace and brings
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: them to the North Pole. That's how episode two ends. Yeah,
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: fun okay. Episode three entitled Into the Wobbly Woods. So
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: here we come. Here comes a plot which, oh yes,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: so yes, Santa is packing up. He's gearing up to leave.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: Cal Pen and his daughter Grace are now at the
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: North Pole. Santa interviews cal Pen because he is a
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: candidate to be a possible Santa replacement, as is who
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: is that guy, Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning, Oh, come on,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: that was hilarious, cal Sorry, it was pretty good. I
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: was cracking up. I understood every joke and referenced his
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: personal and public life. When he said, hey, don't let
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: my wife know, I was like, oh, yeah, that's Peyton Manning.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: All right. What they just say? Did he cheat on
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: his wife? This is a serious question. Were they joking
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: about how he has cheated on his wife? What was
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: that joke? No, joke was about how he is very
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: devoted to his wife. Oh well, then I then I
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: was laughing for the right reasons. I just wanted to
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: make sure I wasn't thinking. And also, this Peyton Manning sequence,
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: by god, you could see you could see why this
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: man was the greatest stand up comedian of all time
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: because he was just so on the ball, like he
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: was so energy as that guy was, you know, he
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: must have ad lived one or two jokes even incredible.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: My god, when he said Brady, I I stood up
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: and cheered, that's that Alan, magic baby. I was beside myself.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: I was like, you know, and it's kind of like,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: you know, as as a comedian myself, sometimes I can
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: I find it really amazing to watch someone, you know,
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: working at that caliber. But then there are moments and
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: I think this was one of them where you just
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: it's almost like discouraging because you see that and you're
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: just like, well, I can ever do that? I mean,
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: what's the fucking point? You know? I got to see
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: I had the pleasure of getting to see to Tim
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: you know, mentor some of the younger actors on set,
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: not actresses, just actors, and he was he was talking
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: to the kid we got playing his son, Calm, who
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: was also you know, getting in a stand up and
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: he said listen. He said, listen, listen, kid, this is
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: my number one tip about doing stand up comedy. And
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: the kid was like what and he goes, don't do it?
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: And that that was inspiring to me because he was
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: basically challenging this young man to not listen to him
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: and and prove himself by going out and doing it. Yeah.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: And I've been seeing him at open mics, so yeah,
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: really not there he's doing it. Oh that's amazing. I
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: bet he has some good ideas, is would you say
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: that he's got like did Tim's politics rub off on him? Again?
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: I kind of you know, that'd be kind of awesome.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, listen, we I I see the whole cast
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: every Sunday. I'll see them. We're recording on a Sunday,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: so i'll see them later today. We're like, oh no
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: at our Romny planning meetings. Oh cool, I mean a
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: church can be anything, you know. Well yeah, well um,
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: So here's what happens next, is that the interview that
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: Cal gives to be a new possible new Santa doesn't
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: go well. But then his daughter Grace gets lost or
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: they think that she's Steven though she's with Sandra. But
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: Santa and Kalpen go looking for her in the Wobbly
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Woods and guests who lives there a Christmas witch Christmas Witch,
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: sorry not Christmas Switch, which is sort of like a
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: princess switch Christmas Witch, and she takes Santa and Kalpen
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: to her house, which is where Grace and Sandra are
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: because Sandra wanted to talk to the witch because Sandra
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: has just discovered that she can hear animals talk, which
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: is where we get the amazing iconic reindeer voiced by
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: John Wayne Gazy. Yeah. And uh and during this this
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: you know, adventure in the Wobbly Woods, Santa realizes that
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: cal Pen actually should be Santa. He would make a
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: great Santa. And so he's like, Calpen, do it. And
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: He's like, Okay, I'll do it. So and also, in
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: one of the many kind of feminist side quests that
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: I'm sure Tim couldn't have been happy about, the Chris
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: I was really heartened to see it. Um, Sandra hangs
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: out with the Witch. This is not paid off on,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: but it's just something for us to know that she
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: hangs out with the witch because her parents don't understand her. Well. Yeah. Also,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: the Witch teaches her of about womanhood and like just
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: is a really important resource. The Witch is kind of
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: the planned parenthood of and she does have all the secrets, yeah,
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: all of the all of the tools and resources. Yeah. Yeah. Meanwhile,
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: Mrs Claus has forgotten what everything she is, and she's
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: not really able to parent right now. She's yeah. Yeah,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: so the Witch is kind of her mother and doctor
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: and everything, taking on all rules. I like. I liked
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: the Witch. Also, I just wanted to shout out in
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: episode three, Um, Caitlin, you pointed this out to me
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: in our text as one of your favorites, and I
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: just wanted to make sure you got the opportunity to
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: compliment Grace or the blood Quantum guy. I'm not really sure,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: but U n f T s nutty fudgy tea cakes. Yes,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: that was me. I mean, well play. I think n
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: f T s are just such a funny thing to
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: joke about and also a great investment. Not a lot
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: of things that are fun to joke about and also
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: a great investment. I would say pretty much, pretty much
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: just n f T s and healthy relationships. Wow, Damna
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: there there she goes again, blowing freaking mind. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: So now that Santa has found his replacement, he's like, okay,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: I'm ready to go. The Elves give him a send off.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: I think this is the elves just want to have
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: fun dance like break dancing. No, this is isn't it?
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: Like last Christmas. Oh that's right, Okay, Oh yeah, another
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: expensive I think there's a total of three elve dancing
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: sequences because there's also a really menacing one in the
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: last episode where the elves are just coming slowly coming
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: towards the Calvin family and then they ell Satan instead
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: of Santa, which I did laugh at. And it's important
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: too because it just shows this is kind of knowls
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: big time to shine, who is Santa's best friend and
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: Mary to the head elf, and his kind of arc
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: is is realizing that, like he should spend more time
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: with his wife, mirroring Santra's arc I will say something
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: that's never worked for me in this franchise, as having
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: children pretend to be in centuries long marriages together. It's
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: just never quite hit for me. But I know people's
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: mileage will vary on that. Well, you know, we never
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: had marriage be a part of it until and Tell
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: the show, and we decided to have marriage be a
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: thing that we bring up constantly in the show. Um,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: and I think it works. We'll never forget how in
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: the first movie, Scott Calvin says something to a child
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: playing an elf and then she thinks that he's hitting
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: on her, and she says, no, thanks, I'm seeing someone
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: in rapping. So yes, but marriage, yeah, health marriage was
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: legalized relatively recently at our north pool. That's kind of
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: their version of gay marriage now is still not a
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: thing up there? Okay, okay, yeah there, I mean there
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: are a couple of centuries behind. Yeah. Um okay. So
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: Santa and his family leave, well, they're transported magically to
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: Chicago to live their new non Santa lives, and that's
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: how episode three ends. Episode four entitled the Shoes Off
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: the Bed Claws, which is a reference to a throwaway
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: line that has nothing to do with anything. What is
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: that a reference to? I I struggled with that. So
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: there's a seat, Well if I made grace not to
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: explain your show in front of you. There's a moment
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: where Scott Calvin is talking to Carol and he's like,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: my whole life has just been a or I guess
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: my career as Santa has been a series of clauses,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: and so he's then he then recaps the first three
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: movies and then he's like, I don't even like he's
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: basically just conflicted about like his career at Santa, and
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: then also what he's supposed to do now, and she's like, well,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: you still got the shoes off the bed clause because
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: they're sitting on a bed, and I guess he has
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: his shoes on, and I think that's her way of
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: telling him to get his shoes off the bed. That
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: was my interpretation. Can you confirm or deny see this
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: is dead, Grace? Well, I would say that that's all correct.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: But if you if you call it a throwaway line,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: my mistake. Not only do I think you don't get
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: the show, I don't don't. I don't think you get
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: how writing works. Hey, Grace, could I just say really quick,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: I didn't think it was a throwaway line. I thought
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: it was important. I take full responsibility. Well, I think
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: that the ray that might have a for the for
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: a job on season two might have a a new
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: host of the Bechtel Desk in the leave. Okay, now
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: I should note that I'm just talking about the race
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: between you two. The broader race of writers were considering
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: mediard front. But when I got specifically, okay, so we're
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: like in a game of Mario Kart where we're neck
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: and eleven and twelfth place. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, And
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: sometimes I get a couple of feet ahead. I mean,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: that's a that's a great analogy. You keep coming there
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: and you might almost get the job. Many I just
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get into Cal's head because he
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: loves video games so much, you know, because I just
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: love this. I just love this show. In the world
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: it builds, and the world it builds and then ignores
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: Wow brown noser. Okay, Okay, So what happens then, Caitlin,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you. Okay. So episode four Shoes Off the
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: Bed clause, we're at the North Pole. Kal Penn's character
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: is ready to put on the Santa coat and become
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: Santa Claus, but oh no, the Santa coat is missing.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: He gives a speech to the elves Betty and Noel
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: again they're the married ones, hate this new Santa, and
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: Betty is all like, where is your coat? You ship head,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: and he's like, I don't know, I lost it. And
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: then also he's like, I have an idea, what if
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: Christmas was every day, three d and sixty five days
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: a year, which I sort of was like, that was
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: an episode of The Fairly Odd Parents, But I appreciate it.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: I thought it was kind of an homage to that. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: um in the universe of the Santa Claus is the
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: Fairly Odd Parents doesn't exist. Oh oh see, so that's
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: why there's so many things that are different due to
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: the global impact of The Fairly Odd Parents. Yes, the
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: only the only um intellectual properties that exist in the
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: Santa Claus universe are other Disney owned properties. So you know,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: there's a reference to Buzz Lightyear. There's many Star Wars references,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: there are many Marvel references, and I think that's brave. Yes,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: it was. It was a challenge given to us by
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: the executives, and honestly they said, we well, we we
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: did a little too much. And that made me feel
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: really good. See I disagree. I uh, I could have
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: used more. I heard tell that. There's a deleted scene
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: where Scott Calvin's talking to a man in Chicago and
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: the man says the phrase star Trek to him, and
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: then Scott Calvin holds him against a wall and spits
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: in his face and says, I don't know what you're
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: fucking talking about, and then pushes him over. Is that true?
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: That's not a scenely shot, but it is a thing
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: that happened on a set. Okay, thank you, thank you God.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: These Hollywood gossap I mean and dumois, they really catch everything.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: It's wild. Yeah, Okay. In Chicago, Scott Calvin and his
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: family are trying to adjust to their new lives. Sandra
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: makes some friends. She also talks to a horse. I
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: wanted her to have her. The girls are thriving in Chicago.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: Sandra is a horse girl. It was really genuinely nice
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: to see Carol be loved, appreciated and accepted by her
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: community again. And I just wondered as I was watching.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: I couldn't help but wonder, um, will this all be
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: completely taken away from her in a matter of days? Yes, yes,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: it is true, and I think we all know that
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: it is our responsibility, like we as women are here
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: to have things taken from us. Is that good or bad?
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: It just is just another question that the show poses.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: But it happens. It certainly happens. A woman's places at
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: the pole. People have been saying that for generations. Um, okay,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: So yes, Sandra is making some friends. Some of them
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: are with human girls, some of them are with horses.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: Cal he loves ordinary human stuff. He also has a
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: crush on a girl from school, Carol is looking to
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: get a job as a school principal again at a
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: charter school, which I thought was a little fun dash
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: of evil. M yeah, I mean, you know my kids
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: go to charter schools. Took the lead again, me and
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: the other some other parents in my neighborhood, mostly who
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: wear can TV and film. We did not like that
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: we couldn't completely control the elementary school, the public elementary
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: school and all right, so we formed a charter school
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: together with some of our own money and a lot
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: of the government's money. It was pretty easy to get
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: our hands on actually pretty much. Just our kids get
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: to go to it. Kind of very exclusive. That's amazing
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: and it really works for our family. Okay, okay, I
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: guess what I'm saying is what do you mean dash
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: of evil? Oh no, I said dash of awesome. It's
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: the Airpots dash of awesome. And then she wants to
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: be the principle of charter school. What a dash of awesome? Yeah, yeah,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: that's like it's phrases like that that I could bring
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: the season two. That's a real dash of awesome. That's great.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: I love that phrase. We're going to start using it
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: all of the time. Maybe a good episode title dash
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: of awesome. M m are you here? I don't even
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: know if I'm going to remember it now, don't worry.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: We're recording this. We're recording. Oh I forgot. I just
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: really want to tell them that. But you know, it's
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: kind of funny because m hates that I wanted to
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: send the kids to a charity school. They think that's bad.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: So relationships are tough, you know, And that's so much
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: of what the show is about. Whether your elves or
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: your Scott Calvin and Mrs Claws, who gives a ship
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: with her first name is is where the show kind
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: of lands. Yeah, exactly, or or or you're a very
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: special elf that we're about to get to ca. Okay,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: so the rest of Scott Calvin's family is thriving in
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: their new Chicago lives, but Scott Calvin is like, wow,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: I guess since I'm not Santa anymore, I'm not special.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: And then he ends up getting a job as an
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: Everything Now delivery driver, but then he gets fired shortly thereafter,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: and so he's like, oh my gosh, what do I
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: even do with my life now? In the North Pole,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: Betty and Noel are trying to stop Calpenn Santa, who
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: is just like wiling out as Santa Claus. And the
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: elves realize that this new Santa is destroying Christmas spirit
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: even further. And some of the elves are disappearing, either
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: like off screen or we see some of them like
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: vanish into thin air before our very eyes. Really cool,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: cg there where when an elve disappears, just stopped in
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: place and GOLs it's all into the air. I liked that.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: I thought that was really cool to get to keep
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: the kids swunging the elves to give authentically scared reactions
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: to that. We locked them in dark rooms for a
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: couple of days. WHOA, that's intense, so that they could
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: experience the void they had water. Well, wait, I just
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: want to make sure that this, Andrea, I just want
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: to make sure everyone's taken care of. You would have
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: their tutors go into the dark room and teach them, right,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: they have to go to school. It doesn't matter how
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: much light is in the room. It's right, that's my understanding. Well,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: that's why we did it on the weekend. Oh and
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: that is legal, okay, amazing. And also they learned a
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: lot the dark the Darkness is a clever professor. Wow,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: thank you, Neil gay Man. Okay, the Darkness is my tutor.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: Loneliness can be the greatest tutor of hall. Okay, I'm
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: good to get that tattooed on my back and posted
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: to tumbler. Holy sh it, good stuff. Okay. So then
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: cal penn Santa Fire's Betty. And then so she goes
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: to the Christmas which and says, Hey, I need to
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: get in touch with him, but not Scott Calvin, the
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: other him. And we're like, wonder if she's talking about
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: Bernard and guess what she is. Because the episode ends
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: with back in Chicago, Scott is like, okay, family, let's
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: spend Christmas together. But then time freezes and some mysterious
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: person has come to pay Scott a visit. I'm kicking
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: the air at this point. Who could it be? There
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: was a moment where I knew, I knew who it was,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: but I was like, what if it's Neil. What if
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: it's Neil? That would be It's not Neil upsetting. Kind
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: of wanted it to be Neil, but I was happy
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: it was Bernard. That would be pretty great. And you know,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: there were versions of the script where it was Neil
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: as a kind of as a as a Hanukah Harry
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: type character. The movies were brave enough to have a
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: Jewish character, but we probably we're going to be But
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: we got the note. We got a solid note on
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: that from various different people above me. Um, all right, well,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: I was thrilled to see Bernard turn yes, and of
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: course he could still get it after all these years. Yes,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: it's okay. So this is episode five now across the
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: Yule Verse. I love that. I was like, you know,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: just introduce a multiverse plot at this point, might as well,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: I was saying to myself, And then they did. But
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: it's but you know, I think you know that the
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: name of that would suggest it's a multipe race, but
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: it actually isn't at all. It actually is just a room.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: So what could you? Could you explain that? So? Are
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: you Catholic? No? Thank you so much for asking. Um,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: No I was. I went to a Protestant Congregational church
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: as a child and now I own one. Are you catholic, Caitlin? No,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: I was raised as an atheist brag. So neither of
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: you are confirmed in the Catholic Church. That is true.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: We should. I think that it would be an appropriate
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: for me to explain to you the inner workings of
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: how this mythology works, because it's really stuff you're only
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: supposed to know if you're confirmed in the chair shot.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: And my priest is already pretty mad at me about
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: the trans stuff. I don't want him to get pissed
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: at me about spilling the beans here too. But I
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: think any Catholic who sees episode five of The Santa
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: Claus Is will understand it pretty easy. Okay, okay, all right,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: thank you, I mean than thank you for doing that,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: because I like, I'm always trying to learn, and that's
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: why I keep coming back to this franchise year after
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: year is to learn, and that's that's really cool. I
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: will I will say that one note we've gotten from
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: the fans is, if Scott's the first human Santa Claus,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: what about the saint who became Santa the first Santa?
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: Wasn't he human? And then people also ask, what do
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: you mean other real beings? What were the other what
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: does that mean? What are they? Angels? Are they? What
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: does that term mean? They're just like general mystical creatures
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: if they are mystical and magical. Why did there have
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: to be multiple of them through the years? Um? Interesting? Well,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: these are some questions that the show does kind of answer. Right,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: The answer the show gives is like each Santa is
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: there for its specific time period, but the real answer
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: is found in the glory of perfection of the Catholic
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: Church's mysticism and writing I see God. All right. Well,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: the explanation the show gives we're about to get to
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: because what happens is this mysterious person who has showed
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: up to visit Scott Calvin is Bernard the Elf, and
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: the show explains why he looks to be about forty
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: four years old, because that's how old David Crumholtz is. Uh.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: The explanation the show gives is that Bernard fell in
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: love with a human woman and gave up being an
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: immortal elf, and so that's why he has aged, but
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: not just any human woman. Vanessa Red, I mean, I
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: we have no choice but to you know, really be
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: rooting for this relationship. I wish I wish that we
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: now season two. This is a pitch. I think we
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: should see them have sex. Oh listen, if you're watching
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: the if you're if you're if your eyes are peeled.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: In the last episode, you might get a little glimpse
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: of it in the background. I don't want to give
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: away every Easter egg, but the scene where cal goes
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: to the snow globe warehouse, yeah, let's just say one
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: of those snow globes might have Bernard absolutely given it
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: to Vanessa from the front and then the back and
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: then in the mouth. Wow, they really found each other.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: I think that that is so like aspirational. It's nice, incredible, okay,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: And like that, Scott said, no, she's an Oscar winner,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: and I was like, well, I didn't know that. And
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: I come to here to learn. I'm here to laugh,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: to cry, to care to learn. Wow. Okay. So Bernard
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: is like, oh, Scott Calvin, you think it was mere
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: coincidence that you became Santa Claus. And then he takes
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: Scott into the Yule Verse, which we thought was a
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: Santa multiverse. Um, but apparently that is incorrect and we
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: won't know then unless we're Catholic. So I'm starting the
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: process of converting to Catholicism as we speak. Um. But
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: until then, UM, it's it's just what seems like a multiverse,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: and there Scott meets some of the previous Santa's, including
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: the one he replaced, as well as Crampus and St.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: Nicholas himself. Uh. And it turns out that Scott becoming
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: Santa was no accident. He was chosen as the first
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: human Santa Claus so that he would raise a family
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: in the North Pole and that his kids would develop
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: magic powers question Mark, and they also would also because
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: he could do technologies, because he because yes, because apparently
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: the albums are really get at tech stuff. But Santa,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: the immortal angel creatures Santa. Yeah. And when I say apparently,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: I mean these are decisions we made in the room. Yeah, right,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: right right, and good decisions I think they are. I
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: would call them a dash of awesome to borrow Jamie's phrase,
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: thank you for crediting. I appreciate, of course, of course
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: I was. And I found myself during this episode wondering
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: what happened to the council that we met two movies
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: in a row with the Holiday Character Council. But then,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: you know, by the end of the episode, I found
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: myself thinking, and let me know if this was the intent,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: Grace who cares? Yeah, that's kind of where I left it.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: We didn't get to get into it this season, but essentially,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: Paganism has been defeated. By the time of the Santa
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: Clauses series. Catholicism has one um and Mother Earth and
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: her demon Um Cohort have died and been buried under
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: a mountain of ice. Wow, well, thank you, thank you
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: for that. I gotta go rewatch it again, you know,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: with with with fresh eyes. That's really exciting now having
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: not that knowledge. Yeah, okay, So Scott Calvin was chosen
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: as Santa for these incredible reasons, and then all the
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: Santas are like, Scott, you got to go back to
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: the North Pole and save Christmas. So he heads to
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: the North Pole with Noel to confront Calpen Santa, who
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: puts Scott in Santa Jail along with this elf named Gary,
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: who is like a elf cop, Gary Grays. I gotta
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: be honest, Gary, I was having a hard time with Gary.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: I and it's not the actor's fault. I blame the
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: direction on this one, to be honest, because he's talking
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: like they're trying to make a twelve year old talk
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: like he's been smoking since he served in the Vietnam War,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: and it just like doesn't quite work. He's like Santa
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: and he does that like for you know, for three episodes,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: and I was I was struggling with it, to be honest.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: Thanks for telling me that it's interesting here that you
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: think it doesn't work, because it does. We'll see. I
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: was gonna say, I do think it works, and maybe
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: that pulls me to eleven spot again. I think you're
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: at least neck and neck. Okay, Okay, I shouldn't have
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: said anything, and I'm I'm so. I think it's just
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: I let my feelings for Cruton and how fond I
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: am of that character with three lines. But for some
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: reason they put her name. Every time someone speaks to her,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: they say thanks Creuton, and she goes, no problem, has
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: their thing? Yeah? Hers is? Her name's Cruton? Yes? Okay.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: So meanwhile, back in Chicago, Carol, Sandra, and Cal are
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: also trying to get to the North Pole to help
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: using Christmas magic. That Sandra and Cal do have a
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: k A Sandra's ability to talk to animals, which has
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: already been set up several times, and cows is like
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: GPS like Cal, Cala has the ability to see the
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: Christmas vortex. Is that allow Santa to teleport around the world. However,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: this is only just now established in this very moment moment,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: whereas Sandra's magic had been previously established, and I thought
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: that was a really interesting creative choice as well centering women.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: We we we did, We did. We did say earlier
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: in the series that cal was having weird dreams where
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: he was Santa. Yeah. Is that the same thing as
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: being able to see these portals? In my opinion, yes,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: So I just thought that was a puberty thing. I
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: don't know, like, you know, when just gets in puberty,
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: they started to dream about being Santa. Just felt like
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: a normal I certainly went through that phase. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: they started to dream about me and Santa. You know
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, delivery their baggage. Okay, So yeah,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: don't be crude, is what I'm saying. Jab Could you
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: not being crude about the show for a family? No,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm really sorry. I didn't that was crass.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: And I think I just got the wrong idea of
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: the tone when the first episode was called good duh.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: And sometimes I just like I'm trying to figure out
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: where the line is. Well, you know, and at least
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: judge a TV series by the name of its episode
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: and how the characters act and everything that happens in it. Yeah, okay,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: So I think we're in episode six now, which is
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: titled a Christmas to Remember, where Scott's family shows up
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: at the North Pole and with the help of Knowl,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: they break Scott out of Santa Jail. Meanwhile, Kelpenn discovers
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: that whoever wears Santa's coat controls the North Pole, as
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: if he didn't already control it. So Kelpen is looking
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: for the coat. He's yelling at his daughter Grace. He's
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: being extra scary, but the coat had run away to
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: the Christmas Witches House and so has like a battle
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: crawl was pretty slow to not moving very fast, kind
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: of shocking. No one saw it, right, So Scott and
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: his family go to look for the coat, but cal
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: Penn has unleashed the army of toy soldiers from Santa
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: Claus to yes, is that correct? Okay, But Carol kicks
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: their ass, which is I guess a callback also to
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: Santa Claus two. Well, what I what I really liked
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: about that sequence is that she sort of what's helpful
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: for me about episode six that as people are doing
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: things they're stating the theme that they're addressing as they're
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: doing it. So like Carol, you know, if if I didn't,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: if I wasn't told this at length, Oh I have
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: a name now, I am annoyed. I have had it.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: Nice to see you again. You know. It's like I'm
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: given all the information I need and I actually find
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: that if that had been given to me over time,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: or like in a visually interesting way, I wouldn't have
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: liked it. I like, I like the lady from Lost,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: just being like I know that I wanted to be
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: a girl boss Santa, but that I was dead asked wrong.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: I actually don't want a career. I don't want friends.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: I like my life that I hated as it was
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: exactly the same because you'll think, you know, you think,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe this is a season two questions. If
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: Carol stays there, she'll just forget her name again. But
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: we don't know. Yeah, none of that's interesting to me. Um,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: But I was interesting was the toy soldiers. You know,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: I have been locked in that closet, Sant Santa Claus
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: to you, and they're sentient, so they've just been locked
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: in that darkness. As I said, earlier. We made all
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: the elves who get disappeared to be locked in dark
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: rooms for just a couple of days over the weekend.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: When they put two and two together and saw that
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: that is what had been done to these soldiers, they
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: started sweeping and crying in vomiting, and it actually lost
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: us a couple of days of filming because of that. Wow,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: shout out to the reindeer named Vomit. That's a fun
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: that's comedy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay. So Scott and Calpen
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: both come across the Santa cote at the same time,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: but Calpen gets to it first and he's about to
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: destroy it so as to prevent Scott Calvin from becoming
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: Santa again. But then his daughter, Klpen's daughter Grace shows up,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: and now I'm just now putting together that well I'm
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: speculating here, but Grace, did you name that character Grace
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: after yourself? I did because my dad died. Her name
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: is Young, and I was like, well, what if this
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: is a version of me whose mom died? And I
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: feel like, if my mom had died, you know, my
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: dad would have probably not have been an alcoholic anymore.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: Then basically it started Amazon so that was kind of
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: the concept of the character. Okay, so Grace the character
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: shows up and she's like, cal Penn, you're being a
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: really bad dad, and he's like, ah, damn, you're right,
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: and so he kind of like concedes. But then the
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: North Pole kind of like rumbles a little bit as
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: if it's in danger, and so they're like, oh, gosh,
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: we have to find the Christmas Orb and they find it,
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: but it's completely dark now, which means that Christmas spirit
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: has completely run out. And Scott's like, oh my gosh,
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: this is my fault. I shouldn't have retired. I shouldn't
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: have run away when things got a little difficult, and
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: so he brings everyone in for a hug, his whole family,
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: the remaining Elves and cal Penn's character and his daughter Grace,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: and that hug revives the Christmas spirit, and then all
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: the Elves who had vanished reappear and Christmas is saved.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: But oh no, Christmas is in three hours. So Scott
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: puts on the Santa code and becomes Santa again. But like,
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: can we talk about that effect though, that effect where
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: Tim Allen's face is completely still, it's not showing an emotion,
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: but something, something happened there, something really took place. I
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: can't really describe it, and I think some of the
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: most beautiful things you'll see in your life you can't
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: necessarily put into words. Yeah, exactly the words words cannot
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: describe the absolute beauty we see during this sequence. Um.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: But yeah. So Scott is transformed, transformed back into Santa
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: and he takes his whole family with him to deliver
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: gifts around the world for all the children. And that's
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: how season one ends. Not just any gifts, though, snow
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: globes with the Sloes memories in them, including the one
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: where Bernard is having sex with one kid is about
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: to have a Does this expose magic to the world
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: a bit? Yeah? I think maybe we'll see. We'll see
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: in season two. But also I think that it might
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: just suggest to these families that the Panopticon has won.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: So season two will have you guys seen Homeland? Yeah? Yeah,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: Mandy potankin season two of the Santa Claus is going
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: to have big Homeland vibes. Nice. Oh that's so great.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: I just look, I just like, don't count us out.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: We would love to, like we get that, like this
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: is an unconventional episode of our show. It's more of
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: a kind of a behind the scenes promotion for aren't
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: We you know we heard the bus because love to
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: like promote aren't We believe in? You know, it comes
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: down to the samples. You know, your reps are going
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: to send your samples in and I'm going to read
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: the first two or three pages of and a few
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: others and we'll see which first couple of pages really
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: hit Wow. Okay, yeah, totally. Um, well, well, look I
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: do have a question, and it's does this pass the
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: does this pass effective grace? Can you actually give us
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: some insight into that. I do think, in fact, it
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: does pass the Vectel test, maybe even a couple of times.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: I was getting that feeling. One specific time is does
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: it pass the Pectel's test? When Mrs Claus is talking
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: to like the head help and she's like, has there
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: been a head out before? Or has there been a
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: Mrs Claus before? And I think we only talked about
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: Mrs I think, yeah, I love it's a good past
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: because they're talking about how her character doesn't really exist really,
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: which I think is fascinating. Yeah, I think I thought
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: that was really cool. I believe it also passes between
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: between Mrs Claws and Cruton, it does time or two Crutons, like,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: may I please have a hug? They also talk about
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: monogrammed towels, and I think when Sandra talks to that
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: one reindeer, I do think that responds that does pass
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: the Bactel test, even though it's a male coded reindeer.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: But it's not. It is not a mal reindeer. Great,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: oh my god, but you don't know that because you
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: didn't see the reindeer sex scene that was in there
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: when we had that. That's sub sub subplot. Still, that's right, right,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: Hopefully there's a we can I mean, you can use
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: that footage in a snow globe later, so you know, sure,
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: no waste. Yes, I think it also passes between Sandra
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: and the Witch actually kind of passes a lot. And
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: then also there's an elf we haven't talked about before,
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: the woke elf d she's a bit too woke for
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: her own good. There's no longer a naughty list, it's
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: the misunderstood lists. I hope everyone who watches that the
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: show when they saw that scene, they were they were
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: thinking the show is saying this is good. Yeah. So
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: the show which takes a pretty hard stance against wokeness.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: For lack of a better term, Um thinks that that's awesome.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: Let me just read a couple other lines from the
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: show and then to be clear, Grace, we are like loving.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: This is a list of things we left. Yeah, these
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: are my These are the best parts of the show.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: When when Scott Calvin is like, we can't set dear
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: free in cities, hipsters will just put fedoras on them.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: That that was really awesome. Um, someone says to Scott
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: Calvin it might have been null. He's like, what kind
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: of monster eats a carrot? And then Scott Calvin says
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: hippies and vegans, hippie vegans And he says that with disgust,
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: as he should. There's the yeah, um oh, some people
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: might say that labeling a child as naughty just for
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: having a temper tantrum is brat shaming. Um, and so
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: that was another good line. Tell them there's the famously
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: the house Christmas Spirit and Santa says, all fine, except
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: saying Mary Christmas to all has suddenly become problematic. Yeah. So,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the end of the day, this
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: country was founded on certain principles. I think we We
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: simply strived to replicate that in our show. Sure that
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: genuinely sounds like a Hollywood reporter headline head writer of
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: the Santa Claus is this country was founded on certain principles,
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: On Santa principles. It's God singular, It's God's honest truth.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: Oh any other any other good ones? Caitlin, Well, Um,
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: these are just some of my favorite, just flat out jokes,
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: because the comedy in this show is rich. Um when
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: the elves say elves got an elf many times? Um, wait,
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: just a taffy licking minute. I wrote that too. Oh
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: the doctor says I have a s s a cute
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: squawk syndrome. Um, funny, let's see. Oh, Santa says I've
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: got the body of an mm A fighter, not an
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: eminem eater. I also loved that you can tell Santa
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: is doing a bad job if he gets fucking jacked.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: That um logic totally scanned for me. And I didn't
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: find the clear, bizarre prosthetics that Tim Allen was wearing
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: to make himself look jacked. I didn't find those alarming.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: I thought I found them uplifted and maybe even you
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: know a few other things, But Grace said, you know
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: it's a kids show. Well, I would say the show's
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: whole approach to um body image and fat positivity and
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: things like that. I would say the show is handling
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: all these things very very well and responsibly in almost
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: every episode. I would say that, yeah, yeah, it comes
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: up in every episode and it always goes well, and
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: it always is really good and awesome. Yeah wow, I
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: simply goodness for a better Christmas present that makes two
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: good friends, Jamie and Caitlin going through all of the
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: best jokes from my big television show. Hey wait, just
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: a tab you like in minute, which is going to
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: be an issue because if if M doesn't, if I,
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: if I don't get a better present from my partner
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: on actual Christmas, I'm gonna I'm gonna fucking I'm gonna yell.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be so I'm gonna be so mad. Don't Yeah,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: I don't want that. You've said that, You've set the
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: bar so high. I just don't know if they'll be
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: able to jump over it. If you could just like
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: not let M know that we had this conversation. Okay,
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: I'm not okay, I won't yell, but I'm not I
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: can't stop myself from crying. And that's involuntary. Okay, okay, okay,
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: See that's maybe. And I hope that we do get
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: more crying in Santa Claus's season two. Yeah, I really do.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: I hope we get Neil in season two. I'm crossing
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: my fingers for Neil and Linda if we're lucky. Was
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: her name, Linda? Am I remembering that correctly? Oh? His
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: ex wife? His ex wife. I don't think I would
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: give her a name on our show. Oh yeah, take
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: it away, So I kind of yeah, she divorced Santa. Yeah,
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: Neil heads. I think if if Judge, Judge, Judge Reinholt
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: you found it and in his heart to apologize to
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: Tim Allen for voting for Obama in then we might
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: get a little bit of a Neil city next season.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: And I hope that he apologizes. And if if, if,
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: if Tim's reputation is as I believe it is, He's
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: going to make Judge apologize in canonically on camera for
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: doing that. I think, So I think, so, yeah, I wonder,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: I wonder. I mean Tim must have been given Calpen
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: a hard time, real hard time, which might have been
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: one of the reasons why Cal again try to assassinate
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: him number of times the drama. God, I mean, Caitlyn,
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: I know you have you to go relatively soon, right,
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: that's true. Okay, Look, I mean does anyone else have
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: final sort of notes to make on this because it's like,
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, I could, I could keep going. I have
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: time to give a nipple grade, right, yeah, I think so.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: I'm giving this show that I'm ten nips out of ten. Wow,
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: there's only five, but I think that feels it feels right.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it ten as well. Oh okay, well,
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: since my candidacy as a staff writer on season two
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: of the Santa Clauses is at stake, I will also
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: be giving it ten out of ten nipples because that's
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: famously our scale act on the same page. And that's
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: why I feel like kish, look here, let me just
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: pay one last compliment to the show. I really thought,
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: and we we already hinted at this, but I thought
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: the characterization of of Mrs Claws of Carol and her
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: inner struggle of oh who am I I've lost my
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: identity because I've just kind of been wrapped so wrapped
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: up as Mrs Claus and I and were there even
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: Clauses before me? You know, she's doing some investigating, she's
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: she's active in the pursuit of knowledge. She doesn't like
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: how Mrs Clauses have been perceived in the past. She's like, what,
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: somehow I'm humorless while still providing comic relief. And providing
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: comic relief is famously Mrs Claus's role there, so that
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: all makes sense. But you know, she just doesn't like
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: that she's this underappreciated, uh figure in Christmas lore. And
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: then she's like, you know what, I'm gonna take this
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: opportunity to be a school principal again. And then that
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: which she was happy doing before she met Scott, right,
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: And but then she realizes, wait a minute, I shouldn't
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: have a job or an identity of my own because
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: I'm Santa's wife wife and she and that's good. One
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: thing that was really cool in terms of just like
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: not doing the obvious thing was like, okay, you have
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: Mrs Claws and you have this Christmas which right, and
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: and they're both judged pretty harshly based on old gender tropes,
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: and I thought, maybe they'll talk about this, but then
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: they never talked to each other once and there's actually
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  Speaker 1: a couple that I think at the climactic scene, they're
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  Speaker 1: standing next to each other, but they never speak. And
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  Speaker 1: I thought that there restraint was really cool. I thought
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  Speaker 1: it was awesome. That would have just taken up unnecessary
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  Speaker 1: space in the show. We don't need to be well,
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  Speaker 1: it's more so that we wanted to make a commentary
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  Speaker 1: on well, wanted to comment on how maybe women should
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  Speaker 1: be more active in freeing themselves of these bad things.
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  Speaker 1: And it was a choice for them not to talk
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  Speaker 1: to each other and maybe, you know, maybe that's on them,
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: that's on them. Yeah, absolutely, they should have leaned in harder. Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: watch the Santa Clauss everybody. It's on Disney Plus. Now.
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  Speaker 1: There's gonna be a season two if TV still exists
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  Speaker 1: next year, So that's gonna rock. Wow. Is there anything
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  Speaker 1: else you would like to plug? Grace? Yeah, Girl Guy
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  Speaker 1: is my comedy duo with April Clark and we we've
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  Speaker 1: got a like. I don't know, follow me on Twitter
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  Speaker 1: if that's still a thing. I don't even I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how to promote things right now. Oh, we're gonna
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: be in Vancouver in February. Are you gonna be at JFL. No,
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  Speaker 1: I don't get invited to things like that. Um, but
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: I'll just be there hanging out doing some shows. Hell yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Well we're reachout rand Kouver so that'll be fine. And
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  Speaker 1: and we're also going to be at the Kennedy Center
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  Speaker 1: on like February eleventh, I think in d C. And
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  Speaker 1: then we can we got this big other thing happened
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  Speaker 1: in after that, and uh yeah, you know, be able
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: to look out for that. But every baby, Yeah, thank
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  Speaker 1: you for having me, guys. Oh my gosh, thanks, I'm
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  Speaker 1: so glad we'll have a whole another season to talk about.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: It is starting to feel like, I mean, like, what's
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: the word for a good curse? Is it just a tradition?
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: I think so called medal game it earlier on the darkness?
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: Is my mentor what's the word for a good curse?
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: You set? Yeah, imagine if I had a bird head
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: and then that would be really fucking profound wow. And
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: then I mean you can catch Jamie and I fingers
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: crossed as writers on season two of The Santa Clauses.
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• 1:45:03
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• 1:45:04
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• 1:45:07
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• 1:45:10
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• 1:45:16
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• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to say to that the star of
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: the scene to clauses himself, Tim Allen, is on Twitter.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: Do not please don't follow him, Please don't follow time,
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  Speaker 1: please start of check that out. He's only got bad ideas. No,
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: he's got good ideas. I didn't say you had bad ideas.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to this, don't go check him out, no problem,
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  Speaker 1: thank you look good ideas such as uh what is it?
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  Speaker 1: Smorl Marl Marks Wikipedia, communism, Carl Marks Wikipedia. If you
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  Speaker 1: say that over and over and over, fast and faster
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• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: see you in the new year. Well, you'll be back
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: next year, whether you like it or not. I am
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: I my. We we forge our chains in life like
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  Speaker 1: the stand we wear the change with forge in life
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  Speaker 1: her degree. Alright on that day, very Christmas to all. No,
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  Speaker 1: that's problematic. He can't say that anymore. Grace your Casin's greeting.
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  Speaker 1: Happy holiday, Okay, bye bye bye