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Hubba-What?! Episode #14 - Labyrinth · Muppet Fan Podcasts with ToughPigs.com

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Hello. Did you say hello but that's
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close enough. Welcome to hubba-wha a muppet
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quiz show brought to you by tough pigs.com.
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It's your favorite quiz show. That's not like the others here,
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Muppet fans, Muppet professionals and Everyone in
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between competes for fabulous prizes, and to see who's this
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week's toughest Pig. I'm your host.
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Becca petunia of tough pigs.com today on ha ha.
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We're off to the goblin City. That's right.
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Our contestants will be going head-to-head and hand to helping
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hand in a competition themed around, Jim Henson's cult,
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classic fantasy film, labyrinth in nine hours, and 23 minutes.
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It's our guests will be mine turned into Goblin children
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unless they can solve my mysterious riddles.
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That's right. I'm like, David Bowie, except I
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have a gender identity. That people find even more
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confusing. As always, these questions were
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written by me with help from that amazing Muppet resource
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Muppet Wiki. And this time also with help
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from The Amazing book, Labyrinth the ultimate Visual History by
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Paula M, block and tackle. Rej Erdman, I read this thing.
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Cover to cover to help me plan this episode, which proves, just
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how dedicated I am to this quiz show that only appeals to about
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38 people. Speaking of doing research,
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let's agree to play fair today. Please don't, look at Muppet
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Wiki, or any other resource during this game.
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We all know how Sarah feels about things that aren't fair.
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So before I am prison both of you in my trivia oubliette Let's
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meet our contestants in a game. I call to tell a face
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contestants. You're going to buzz in to
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answer three questions about yourself.
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Whoever buzzes in first will get introduced first ready.
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Go Alright, JD JD your first question.
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What is your name or full points?
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Do you need to know what the initials stand for?
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No. Okay, my name is JD Hansel.
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Okay. And JD what's your history with
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the Muppets and Jim Henson, and all of those related works?
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Well, I grew up when the Muppets weren't really accessible
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anywhere, they weren't on TV. So I had to try to find Jim
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Henson things and figure out the life of Jim Henson after the
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fact. And so, I was consuming The
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Muppet Show Dark Crystal, Labyrinth, the cube, all of the
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stuff at once. And for me, Labyrinth is just a
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big part of my muppet fandom. It's one of the things I really
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love about Jim Henson, I've always been a fan, it's always
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kind of freaked me out the first movie to make my legs, shake
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with fear as a kid, but I love it.
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I love it to death and and JD D currently.
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What kind of Muppet stuff do you do?
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I know you just finished a big Muppet project for us at tough
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pigs did? I'm not sure.
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I'm thinking of what you're thinking of, I'm sort of between
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projects. I was thinking of the, the fake
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Henson Bistro. Yes, which is something.
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That's probably the two things. I think I'm best known for now
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are bad. Henson, bio and bad, Henson
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Bistro. I'm pretty happy with both of
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them. I don't know what the next bad
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Henson thing will be, but I do have plans for Other projects
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with tough pigs, which I'm really excited about.
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Well, that's great. And we're glad to have you here.
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And, you know, you've, I feel like you already answered the
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third question, but the third question was, what's your
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favorite thing about Labyrinth? Because there's so much going
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on. In this move hate you kind of
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already said that it was like the first movie that scared you
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which is a great answer but that's not necessarily what I
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like about it though, because I don't like to be afraid.
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I I think I love the impressive and creative puppets.
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I think the puppet designs are incredibly cool particularly
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with the shaft of hands. Just a brilliant idea.
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All right, well, that's 20 points for getting all three of
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those questions. Correct.
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I know. How did you do it?
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Even need to know what my initial stood for?
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No. See what adding look?
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You would have had 25 points if you told us but some seek.
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No, I'm kidding. In case you're wondering it.
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Is John Denver in The Muppets Christmas together you can see
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why I would shorten that a bit much.
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All right, now let's move on to our second contestant
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contestant. To what's your name?
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My name is Shan sha NN or Shannon.
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I've usually go by Shan Gwen. It's like Shan and penguin on
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Twitter and other social medias. All right and Shan What's your
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history with the Muppets? And Jim Henson.
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Well, I've, I've always liked loved like, Muppet type stuff.
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Like, obviously, I grew up with Sesame Street, and Sesame Street
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has kind of like, carried on, until like, by adulthood where I
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definitely still watch it today. And then the Muppets kind of,
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like stemmed off from there, and then I just got very like hyper
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focused. And I guess over the past years,
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I've Really gone to, you know, Henson's other works like it
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could be from like you know the Muppet Show or like any of the
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Muppet movies to even like very obscure products like dog City
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and ghost are Hafner Hall which I think are like underrated
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Classics and get like it's mainly just been like you know a
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fascination with like Henson's Works whether he was alive or or
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past good stuff. I know and And, and you're an
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artist yourself. So, a lot of that definitely
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makes sense. And Shan, what's your favorite
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thing about Labyrinth? I so like, I guess the main
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thing would definitely be David Bowie because I'm a big David
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Bowie, fanatic. And I think he just, he totally
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just shines in this movie with just like, the way he portrays
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jareth and, you know, the songs he wrote from the movie are just
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incredible. And but I think just not only
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David Bowie but also just the creature designs.
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Like I love The Helping Hands, I love the fire.
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He's, I love that whole scene. Yeah, it's just it just has a
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lock of good to it. Yeah no excellent excellent.
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And you've also earned 20 points for getting those questions.
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Correct. So that might have been easy but
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the road only gets more confusing from here.
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In fact, let's start our trivia with a game.
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I call it's not Are I'm calling it that because this round
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doesn't really have a theme. Besides just being about
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Labyrinth. Each of these questions is worth
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one point. Please.
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Wait until I finish the question to buzz in.
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So the Goblins at home can play along.
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Here we go. Question 1.
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What is the name of Sarah's favorite stuffed bear?
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J.d. Lancelot, it is Lancelot
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correct. Question to jareth says that if
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Sarah kisses Hoggle, he'll turn Hoggle into what J.d.
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Prince of the land of stench, the prince of the land of
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stench. Question 3.
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What does Sarah need to get before?
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She can pass sir. Didymus has Bridge.
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J.d. His permission his permission.
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Yes, and an abstract thing but I think she needs nonetheless.
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All right, so these next two questions are based on the fact
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that I find the plot of Labyrinth to be a little
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confusing. I'm gonna give you three events
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in the movie and I am going to need you guys to buzz in and
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tell me what happens first. I had a feeling you'd do this
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because let me tell you, it was hard for me.
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When I was writing these, I re-watched the movie and I was
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just writing down the events in numeric order because, you know
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the events don't necessarily follow each other in the form of
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a plot structure. So, here's the three events.
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I'm giving you here, the two-headed guards, the false
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alarms, or meeting the wise man, which happened First.
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Cheyenne. Is it meeting the wise, man?
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It is unfortunately not feeding the wise, man.
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Good? Guess JD Can you steal?
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You've got a 50-50 shot, as you were saying it, I knew that I
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knew the answer, but now I've forgotten, which things that you
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said, oh, I came to give you again your choices.
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Which is first, the two-headed guards, or the false alarms, the
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two-headed guards? It is the guards.
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Absolutely. All right.
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Next question. Which of these happened last?
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Meeting the door knockers running from the cleaners being
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locked in the oubliette. San you have a guess, I'm gonna
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guess being locked in oubliette. No, I'm sorry.
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Listen, listen, this is tough. I know.
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JD the cleaners or the door knockers which comes last the
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door. Knockers it is the door.
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Knockers good question. 6 in both the original draft of the
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labyrinth script and the final filmed version very Is the same.
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However, there is some key detail about when when the main
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character meets Hoggle that is the same in both versions.
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Something about the scene where we meet Hoggle that is the same
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in both versions. If you don't know, the
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backstory, think about something about the scene where we meet
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Hoggle and gas. JD.
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Do you have a guess? I have a guess.
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Is he killing fairies? He is not killing fairies in the
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original script. It's something else that he's
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doing in both versions. So, again, Shan if you don't
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know, the backstory here, think of what he's doing in the scene
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where we meet them Parks. I was also going to say
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something about the fairies where you know, Sarah gets you
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know bit I've thought of what the other thing is.
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It's not pleasant. Yeah, I'm gonna have to take a
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pass on this one because I've just got to go with the same
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answers. JD with the fairies.
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I don't know what listen, pass was very close because in all
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versions of the script Hoggle is relieving himself.
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Trey, I don't know why they decided, they wrote that in the
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first draft. And they were like, we gotta
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keep this. I think that's like, the one
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seen I've blocked from memory. This like, no kidding, no
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kidding. Gee.
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You mean that scene. Isn't isn't as magical and
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pleasant as some of the, some of the later, fun stuff.
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I think so, okay, last question in this round in the first
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volume of the return to Labyrinth manga, which character
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from another Henson production appears in one panel with a
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speaking cameo. This is, this is probably the
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hardest question, because no one remembers this manga.
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I haven't even been able to find it on like, so, I know, I
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definitely try to but it's, yeah, it's like very obscure
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Sandy or guess I'm gonna do. I'm gonna go with the most
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obvious one, it's Kermit, it's not.
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Whoa! Casey listen!
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I'm gonna throw you a point because it's not a speaking
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Cameo but Kermit there is a picture of Kermit and one of the
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panel's. So you know Love you like some
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reference to like the Muppets you know I will give you I will
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be bubble Point Jason any idea who else it might be.
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I would only be taking a totally random wild, guess Arnie from
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the cube. It's not already from the cube.
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It actually, it makes sense that this character would show up in
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a random place because it's traveling.
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Matt, from Fraggle, Rock. Oh, that would see.
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That would make sense. That's cute.
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He shows up you, he shows up at the party and he asks for
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radishes, he asks like one of the People going around with
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appetizers, if they have any radishes.
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All right, so we're going to move on to our next round, which
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is our classic head-to-head round beat the time.
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You've got 13 hours on the clock, or probably a little
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less. I'm going to ask you a question
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that has many correct answers specifically, it has 10 correct
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answers, starting with Shan you will give an answer to my
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question. Then we'll move to JD will
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alternate back and forth until neither of you can answer.
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If you can't answer or you take too long, your opponent will
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have a chance to steal. And again, if neither of you can
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answer the round will end, So, what is this?
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Roundabout. Well, we're going to talk about
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jareth. David Bowie was the only person
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Jim Henson ever spoke to directly about playing jareth
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and when he agreed, no one else needed to be asked.
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However, we know from Henson's notes and other documents that
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10 other 70s and 80s rock musicians were considered for
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the role. Role of jareth starting with
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Shan, you will each take turns naming a rock musician that was
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considered for the role of Jairus worse.
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Comes to worst, just guess a rock musician that people
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considered sexy in 1986. I guess some of these are pop
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musicians, rock pop, I mean genre is weird David Bowie would
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say that but yeah, you can get pretty far with that even if
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you're not sure of the particulars.
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So let's get Started Shan. Can you name a rock or pop
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musician who was considered for the role of jareth to see Billy
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Idol? That would be a great pick and I
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need a genuine can't believe Billy Idol is not on this list
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right era, right era. Okay.
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Similar similar like sexual appeal, but no, so we'll come
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back. But now JD, do you have one?
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Sting sting is on the list. And you have another guest.
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Prince, prince is on the list. Good, JD Michael Jackson.
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Michael Jackson is on the list, a very different movie if that
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was the case. And also yeah, it's already
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weird. The age Gap but probably weirder
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if it was Michael check. Anyway, there's a head, do you
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have another guess? Mick?
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Jagger Mick Jagger. Absolutely.
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JD Rod Stewart Rod Stewart, one of the ones that I wasn't sure
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counted as a rock musician you know Shan this.
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It doesn't I'm going to guess this Steven Tyler Again.
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Okay wait makes sense. What makes sense?
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Not on my list. Okay, j.d. there are still five.
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Wow and these These are musicians that you guys know
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like it's not like one of these is like you know the lead singer
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of Supertramp like they're musicians who, you know, What
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about Jon? Bon Jovi, not Bon Jovi.
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Again, a very different movie. It was Bon Jovi.
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Shan do you have a guess? Bruce Springsteen.
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Again, very different movie want to see that different.
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I'm gonna I know you both got it wrong, but I'm gonna keep going.
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Just a little bit j.d. I looked it up the other day.
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I had a funny feeling this was coming and yet, I mean, I can
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start giving totally drawing of I guess.
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Make me starve. Make me think.
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Who we said so far. Okay, we've said Michael Jackson
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sting Rod Stewart, Mick, Jagger and Prince.
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This is wrong, but it's funny. Phil Collins, it's funny, it's
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funny. It is wrong.
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It's already kind of problem and he is a Shortcake.
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Oh, he's most of the way there, sad.
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Any other guesses. Paul McCartney know, the
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Beatles, The Beatles aren't here, but some of I know we
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already did Mick Jagger. I was about to say some of their
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contemporaries Is our but um, okay.
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No. We did Mick Jagger already.
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Um, some later stuff, at least one that if you think about
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David Bowie's. Weird gender as alluded to
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earlier, is definitely another choice in that vein.
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JD is that ringing any bells? Not yet.
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All right. I might have to call it if we
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can't go further here can I throw one out there?
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Sure, send throw, one out, the Odd, Todd Rundgren.
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Yeah no. Yeah.
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And we should call, we should call the Jim Henson company,
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Circa 1986 and tell them to get some of these people on this.
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Because you're you're naming like The right kind of
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musicians, both of you with maybe the exception of Bon Jovi,
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but all right. I'm gonna, I'm gonna just have
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to call it, he okay. So the remaining five, first of
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all, the one I was thinking about with the kind of like,
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Walking, the gender binary in strange, ways, Freddie Mercury
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was considered. Who was the one again?
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That I was considering there with like that sort of thing.
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Other choices Keith Richards. Ted Ted Nugent who I misread as
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Todd Rundgren when you said that and got excited but it's Ted
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Nugent. Roger Daltrey and David Lee
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Roth. Wow.
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David Lee Roth kind of would make sense.
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I could see that I can see a couple of these sting would have
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been very different but I think would have worked.
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David Lee Roth would have worked Prince would have been
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incredible. I'm not sure what movie that
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would be anymore, but It would be entertaining.
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All right. Well listen at the very least.
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We all learned something about Roger, Daltrey and now we're
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moving into my favorite game back again from season one of
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hubba-wha the triangle is right. Well, sorta as you know, in this
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game every question has three Correct answers.
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Hence the title of the game, you can earn a point for each.
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Correct answer you get buzzed in, even if you don't know, all
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three answers, you'll get a point for whatever you do,
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remember. But if you miss anything or if
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you say three things, and two of them are right and one of them
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is wrong, your opponent will have a chance to get whatever is
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left over. So again, please wait until I
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finish reading the question to buzz in so that our friends at
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home can play along. And again, even if you don't
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know all three answers buzz in you still get points for what
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you do. Remember question, one, the only
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three characters in the movie to be puppeteered and voiced by the
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same person, JD a little before--she and right there.
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Can you name them? Hoggle Hoggle is one Ludo.
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Ludo is the other. The worm, it's not the worm.
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Shan do, you have a guess as to who the third character might
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be? I think it's going to be but
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sir, didymus it's not didyma skater strangely.
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It is the lead fiery. Wow!
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And hey, second part to this question and let's, let's buzz
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in again. Can you name those?
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Three puppeteers who voiced and performed Hoggle, Ludo, and
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fiery. Are any of them?
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J.d. Brian Henson is playing Hoggle
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hmm Kevin Clash is playing the fiery Kevin Clash displaying the
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fiery because he sounds like the baby dinosaur.
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This is true. This is true. and, I was name
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pronounced Ron uick as yeah, no, yeah, Ranma you occur on newick?
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I don't actually know, because I've never heard it.
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I've eliminated either seems like a very impressive person.
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Oh yeah, no great. Great work on Ludo, Ludo is a
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great character. All right, next question.
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Once she begins her Quest. What are the first three
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creatures that Sarah encounters? Saint the worm, the fairies and
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Hoggle, okay, technically there's one before the worm I'll
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come but I will give you the two points for Ferry and Hoggle.
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Okay. JD what creature is actually in
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the movie before the worm, and I'm not counting the Goblins
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that are in her bedroom was talking about when she Begins
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the quest. I don't know what they're
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called, but The eyeball plants? Yeah, they don't actually have a
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name. But yeah, I'm counting Counting
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that technically those plants with the moving eyeballs are in
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there before she sees the Worm. But the other two got it, and
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JD, excellent work with the nameless eyeball plan.
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That's right. Question 3, in Magic Dance, the
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three groups of items that follow the question.
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What kind of magic spell to use? Shan slimers snails.
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Puppy dogs. Tails funder lightning.
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Correct. Question for the three things
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that Jairus crystal ball turns into when he encounters Sarah in
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her home. JD a snake.
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A snake is one. Are you?
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Are you? I assume you're counting what
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the snake turns into. Yeah that's that's kind of what
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I mean the snake turns into A cloth that I think is a scarf or
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handkerchief. Yeah, I had written a scarf, but
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I will count a cloth that is a scarf or a handkerchief as a
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cloth. And then that turns into a
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little Goblin. Yes, itty-bitty little fuzzy
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Goblin. Yes, question 5.
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The three characters, who swear in the film?
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Labyrinth counting Dam as a swear.
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Shan I know Hoggle is definitely one of them seems that damn a
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lot. He sure does. one of the door,
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knockers Do you have a third guest sir didymus?
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Okay, it's not either of those two, but definitely get a point
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for Hoggle. Okay, j.d.
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Sarah, right. Yes.
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He's getting of the film. Sarah says, damn, at least once
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there is another character though.
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And I'll tell you this one isn't damn. oh, I want to say jareth
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know the wise man's hat says, that something is a load of
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crap. Okay.
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Okay, fine. It's a weird movie.
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I don't miss your Muppet movie as well or Henson, not
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technically the Muppets, but still, and this question has
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more than three answers, but you can only get a maximum of three
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points. Regardless, Any of the three
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books in Sarah's bedroom? J.d.
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The Wizard of Oz. Where the Wild Things Are, hmm.
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And Alice in Wonderland. Yes, those are three books in
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her bedroom other choices. Snow White.
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Oh wait, this is Shannon. Not get those sand.
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Would you like to guess any other ones?
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Oh no white would help us will be dick.
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No, no okay. Yeah.
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So the other ones are Snow White.
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Book of Grimm's Fairy Tales and a book called The Labyrinth.
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It makes sense. I guess that details the plot of
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the movie. Did you notice that that copy of
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Snow? White was not just the story of
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Snow White, but it was like, Walt Disney, Snow White annual
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know I did it something strange and they clearly are using that
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as a stand-in for Snow White, which would be a very short
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story if they put that actual book there.
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Yeah, that's true. That wouldn't be its own right
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book. In fact, it would be included in
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the Grimm's Fairy Tales book next to it.
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Good point didn't notice that you could You could have saved
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that for the, the stump me round gotten yourself 10 points right
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there. But before we get to that round,
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we have 11 final main trivia round that I call the people in
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your neighborhood. This is a game about the people
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who made the film Labyrinth possible.
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Everyone knows about the work that Jim Henson David Bowie and
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Jennifer Connelly did to make the film, but it took a village.
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Age of talented. Creatives to make labyrinth.
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In this round, I'm going to ask you about the real life, people
29:17
behind Labyrinth. Each of these questions is worth
29:21
one point. However, getting some questions.
29:24
Correct will trigger bonus questions which are harder and
29:28
worth three points again. Wait, until I'm done asking to
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buzz in. Let's get started question 1.
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Jim Henson turned to this acclaimed director for help
29:39
producing and editing the film. Shan Turtle Lucas.
29:47
It is George. Lucas question to this actress.
29:51
Famous for her role, on Star Trek.
29:54
The Next Generation choreographed, some of the
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dancing in the movie. JD Gates McFadden, it is Gates
30:05
McFadden. Credited at the time.
30:07
As I mean, this is not for any point Errol McFadden.
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Yeah, Cheryl McFadden, she was, she was going by that name at
30:14
the time, JD a bonus question for potential other points.
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What are two other Henson projects that she choreographed?
30:25
No idea. I mean, I would guess the
30:27
Muppets Take Manhattan. Just because, you know, I hope
30:31
I'm not spoiling Another question by saying, she's in
30:33
that she sure is in that. I, What else would need
30:40
choreography? Did it.
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She new choreography for something in the Dark Crystal on
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forgetting. Those are the correct two
30:47
answers. I have laughs.
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No idea, I believe she's credited.
30:51
As a choreographer for movement in Dark, Crystal for helping
30:57
sort of the performers decide like, how was sexist move?
31:01
Every puppet has movement. That's what makes it a puppet.
31:05
Yes, it wouldn't be a puppet. Otherwise, it would be a statue.
31:09
Org. All she also did dream child but
31:13
that's only partially a Henson project.
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Question 3, Sarah's, baby brother, is played by this
31:19
actual baby? Who would grow up to be an
31:22
artist and employee of the Henson Creature Shop?
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Shan he'll be proud, it is Toby, froude Shan.
31:33
What is the name of Toby frauds production company which has a
31:36
name inspired by his role? Role in this movie.
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Something famous about his role in this movie.
31:46
I don't expect you to know the production company but you might
31:49
be able to guess something about the baby Toby.
31:53
Something, something something would be like be so they were
31:57
baby in it. I don't know.
31:59
I don't know what I could be doesn't have baby in it.
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JD any idea, it's silly. Which is why I had to ask.
32:10
It's a where's Waldo pajamas production company?
32:14
So close JD really it is the stripey pajamas.
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Oh my gosh. Why did I go for the silly
32:22
answer when we're thinking of the right thing?
32:29
Question question for at the time, Frank Oz was busy
32:33
directing Little Shop of Horrors.
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During the filming of Labyrinth. However, he showed up on set for
32:41
one day with enough time to Puppeteer one Labyrinth
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character who he does not perform the voices which
32:50
character is puppeteered by Frank Oz.
32:57
J.d. What's he called the wise man?
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It is the wise man. JD who is performing the wise
33:06
man's hat. By crouching behind Frank Oz,
33:09
that's his friend. Dave goals, it is his longtime
33:13
co-worker, Dave goals, getting really up close and personal for
33:18
the, for the sake of the art that they had known each other.
33:22
Long enough, it's fine. Yes, listen.
33:24
That is not the first time they've definitely Question 5.
33:31
The first draft of the labyrinth script was penned by.
33:34
This Canadian poet known for writing the lyrics to the songs
33:38
on Fraggle Rock. JD, do you have a guess?
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I have a 50/50 chance you should know this.
33:50
Dennis Lee. It is Dennis Lee.
33:52
Good good. 50/50 JD what. Did Dennis?
33:56
Lee contribute to Jim's previous non Muppet.
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Film The Dark Crystal. Oh, I I have absolutely no idea.
34:07
You've got me there. We know he wrote the lyrics to
34:10
all of the Fraggle Rock songs or 90% of them.
34:14
Did he did he write lyrics to A to Kira's song in The Dark
34:25
Crystal? No Shannon.
34:29
Do you have a guess as to what you might hire Canadian poet?
34:33
Dennis Lee to write for the film Dark Crystal No, again again, SI
34:41
these the bonus questions. I didn't expect anyone to know.
34:44
He, he he gave names for all the doll, the skeksis, you know,
34:50
your clothes. I'm not gonna give it to you
34:51
unfortunately, but you are close.
34:53
Okay, so, one thing and I'm saying this for the folks at
34:57
home as well. One thing you might not know
35:00
about the Dark Crystal is originally only the gelfling.
35:06
English. The film was recorded and
35:12
screened for test, audiences with the skeksis, just screaming
35:18
and making bird noises Non-Stop and the mystics just groaning
35:25
non-stop test. Audiences did not like watching
35:29
a movie where, for huge swaths of time there were simply bird
35:35
creatures. Screaming at each other and
35:38
making terrible vulture noises but well not that's the, it's
35:42
just, I don't know, I don't know.
35:46
So Jim Henson hired Dennis Lee to write all of the skeksis and
35:53
Mystic dialogue. After the film was already done,
35:57
and had already been filmed, so apparently he had to sit there
36:02
and match the mouth flaps. Actually.
36:07
So it looked like, they were always saying the the lines he
36:13
wrote, even though when everyone was performing them, they were
36:17
just mouth flapping two different bird noises that's
36:21
crazy. No, I kind of related, but yeah,
36:24
I know that Frank Oz originally did the original performance for
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Agra. I believed in you.
36:30
We also do like a made-up language for Agra, I'm not sure
36:34
about okay Agra speaking, a made-up language, George?
36:36
That's a great question. Yeah, and you're right.
36:39
It is him doing the, the puppetry and it's the lady from.
36:44
I think the omen was doing the voice, oddly enough, but I I've
36:50
seen behind the scenes footage of Frank doing Agra and he's
36:53
speaking English, okay? There are a few words in there,
36:56
like, woojae wuji that, as far as I know are not English.
37:01
I would say what I would have to.
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And maybe, maybe I'm And I am nowhere near as talented as a
37:09
creative as Jim Henson or most of his collaborators, but I
37:14
would have to assume the amount of exposition that all Greg
37:17
gives. If she gave it in a made-up
37:20
language, it would be a very difficult.
37:24
See him to get through. Oh, it's probably again but I
37:29
also would have had the skeksis speaking English in my version
37:32
of Dark Crystal. So what do I know, I can't
37:37
believe you. Tricked me onto a Dark.
37:38
Crystal podcast. What I know how you do a
37:41
laughter and show. No one wants to be on a Dark
37:44
Crystal episode. I every every season I pitch it
37:49
and every season Johannes tells me that no one will be on my
37:54
Dark Crystal episode. So I cut it, I will be on a Dark
37:59
Crystal podcast, just so I can complain about age age of
38:02
resistance. Not getting another season.
38:05
Yeah, age of We talked about that a little on an earlier
38:08
episode of Hubble but yeah I need to go back and re-watch
38:14
that season it in. It certainly was delightful so
38:18
good and it should really never seen it.
38:21
Do I need to see it you know. Well you don't need to do
38:24
anything. I mean the okay well I'm not I'm
38:28
not the boss of you JD but you know it's good.
38:34
Okay. It's better than dark.
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Okay. All right then I'll watch it.
38:39
All right. Well, moving back to Labyrinth
38:42
from our little a little Dark. Crystal aside.
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Thank you. Question 6, this comedian
38:49
director and recent honorary. Oscar winner was the uncredited
38:55
script doctor for Labyrinth. J.d.
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This is Elaine Bay. It is Elaine may.
39:08
I was surprised to learn that that famous comedian and
39:16
director of Ishtar and other movies Elaine May punched up the
39:22
script question. 7, this British Puppeteer who previously worked
39:27
with Henson on The Muppet Show, does not Puppeteer any main
39:31
characters and Labyrinth, but does appear In person, dancing,
39:35
in the ballroom scene. Also famously one of the only
39:47
Muppet puppeteers who was left-handed.
39:54
J.d. Louise goal.
39:56
It is Louise goal of an e su and the Afghan hound and probably
40:05
characters people like better than the Afghan Hound question
40:10
8, as the contact juggler whose hand performed the crystal ball
40:16
tricks. This person effectively was
40:18
David Bowie's Puppeteer in the film Labyrinth.
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I don't know the answer to this, but I mean I know it because I
40:28
wrote it down like if I were a guest on this podcast, I would
40:31
be getting this wrong. Michael Martian.
40:40
Wow. You didn't let me, you didn't,
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let me make up a random. Guess.
40:46
Well, JD, let's take this again. Dd-do you ever guess Harvey
40:51
knee-slapper? It is Harvey knee-slapper.
40:55
How many points? 12 know.
40:57
It's, it's Michael muffin. All right, well now it's time
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for you to turn the world upside down for me.
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I've got no power over you in this round, which we call the
41:12
anything in the world prize game.
41:15
This time, you guys are able to ask me anything about Labyrinth.
41:19
Each of you will be able to ask me a question.
41:22
If you stumped me. You will earn 10 points.
41:27
Here we go. Let's start with Shan Shan do
41:30
you have a question for me? Yes.
41:33
So most no. But the original Chronic for
41:38
Hoggle was lost in luggage and then reclaimed at the unclaimed
41:44
baggage store located in Scottsboro Alabama where he sits
41:49
on display today. However, when he initially
41:52
arrived, he was in very, very rough shape.
41:54
Can you tell me the sfx artist, who was tasked in restoring his
42:00
face and body. This is a great story and if you
42:05
don't know that, there's a ha go on display at an airport because
42:09
he got lost in the baggage claim.
42:13
And you gotta Wonder being the airport employee who found that
42:18
just opened a trunk and there was a rotting dorf inside of it.
42:25
But I do not actually know the answer to this question so I
42:30
could guess Harvey knee-slapper Like JD did, but I don't think
42:34
that's right Sherilyn, right Sam.
42:37
What is the answer to the question?
42:39
The name would be Gary. So, what's car?
42:44
I hope I said that last name, right?
42:48
Well, if you're out there Gary, I'm sorry if we pronounce your
42:52
name wrong, but thank you for your service.
42:55
Thank you for your service to airports and rotting dorf,
43:00
puppets everywhere. It's 10 points Shan, let's move
43:05
to JD JD. Do you have a question for me?
43:08
Becca, I have struggled so much to pick one.
43:11
And I am having to pick from a mental list right now because I
43:15
was so undecisive about it. Okay.
43:20
Okay. Okay.
43:23
One of the neat things about Labyrinth is that everything in
43:27
the world of Labyrinth looks like it could only exist in the
43:31
world of levered, they had to make every day.
43:32
They couldn't reuse Muppet characters or they would have
43:35
looked. Umm uppity, they couldn't have,
43:37
they couldn't reuse gelfling characters.
43:38
So they would have looked to go funny.
43:41
Yeah, people would have just fallen asleep as soon as they
43:43
sat down. This is true, this is true.
43:46
However, there's one type of puppet creature.
43:50
That they used in The Dark Crystal that is reused in
43:54
Labyrinth, it's not named in Labyrinth, it is - The Dark
43:57
Crystal. Can you tell me what this type
43:59
of creature is? Oh, great question.
44:03
Great question. This feels like the kind of
44:06
thing that usually, I'm all about in in these episodes of
44:11
this show and on tough pigs, but I don't actually know which
44:17
which is the puppet, that's reused.
44:20
Because you've kind of trap me on a Dark Crystal podcast right
44:23
now and and that's not where I wanted to be JD.
44:28
I'm gonna guess a land Strider and I just wasn't paying
44:33
attention and it's just there this giant giant creature.
44:39
That'd be great. That'd be really great.
44:43
It would actually save Sarah a lot of time if that was true
44:46
because then she could get on. Its back climb over the walls of
44:50
the laboratory. Just walk across the top.
44:52
Yeah, that would be brilliant. No, actually it's the crawleys.
44:58
You remember the crawleys? Those are the cheap toys that.
45:01
They just bought at the store. They're these little furry,
45:05
feathery things on strings that they pull along.
45:08
Wrong to have it, Scurry along the floors in the Dark Crystal
45:12
and it's what they, what the skeksis eat.
45:16
They that's when that's when you hear the name of them out loud
45:19
in the Dark Crystal, that's what they're eating.
45:21
And then in the goblin City in Labyrinth.
45:23
If you look there scurrying around there running around on
45:26
the ground, there's one going up a wall.
45:29
No kidding, good. Good to know.
45:32
No, I'm just picturing a bunch of worms on a string and
45:35
Labyrinth like the ones with the little.
45:38
I also lies in hot pink and yellow.
45:41
This is the funny thing about it of all the brilliant puppets,
45:44
they could have reused. They pick the cat toys that they
45:48
put little wires on. That's what they bring back.
45:51
The greatest hit from The Dark Crystal, they're like audiences
45:54
didn't respond to this movie. I think what they They might
45:59
have liked was the cat toys. Mmm.
46:02
And then they bring It full circle when a Christmas toy.
46:04
Premiered, a couple years later. Yes.
46:07
Um, All right, so JD you've also earned yourself 10 points.
46:13
So now I have to do a little bit of arithmetic and total up the
46:17
scores as they stand. All right, it's time for our
46:21
final number, in the game, say the word.
46:25
So like the final round of that other game show in this game,
46:29
you can wager any amount of points.
46:33
The winner gets those points back.
46:35
The loser, loses them. However, unlike that other game
46:40
show, you'll get to hear the question before you wager.
46:44
You'll also get to hear your score.
46:46
So currently our score is Shan has 41 points and JD you have 62
46:55
points. So JD's got the lead but this
46:59
could be anyone's game provided how you bet.
47:03
And if you know the answer to this last one, I know the stakes
47:06
have never been higher. What if you lose this Muppet
47:10
quiz show? So here's the question.
47:14
Everybody's favorite song in Labyrinth is Magic, Dance, David
47:19
Bowie base to the intro and Bridge of magic dance on
47:25
dialogue, from a 1947 comedy film.
47:30
Where the speaker was reminded of a, man with the power of who
47:34
do Name the movie. The actor who starts this
47:40
exchange, or the actress, who reminds him of the man who ever
47:45
gets more of these three things. Correct will win the points.
47:51
So name of the 1947 comedy, the actor, who delivers this
47:56
dialogue, in the 1947 comedy, and the actress who he is
48:03
talking about when he says this, I will say.
48:10
For you too. And for those of you playing
48:12
along at home even if you don't know this movie you do know this
48:19
actor and actress they are people, you know.
48:24
All right so Neither of our guests seemed extremely
48:30
confident in their answer. So let's go through what you
48:37
guys, respondent. Let's start with Shan Shan Shan
48:43
you bet, 25 points. What were you thinking this,
48:48
this, this classic comedy exchange might have come from
48:52
also thinking like, you know, 1947 comedy, and I know I'm
48:58
assuming the original Nutty Professor came around that time
49:02
so I guess that is the movie I guess the actor Jerry Lewis is
49:06
the actor and then actors I totally just frueh guess Doris
49:11
Day. You Said Doris Day with three
49:15
question marks yet again thinking in the right era you
49:19
know JD you bet 12 points. So what movie were you thinking
49:26
of and this is a real classic that you chose.
49:29
Yes, I suggested the movie was hot dog.
49:34
It's 1947 everyone just because I've seen it a lot on TCM.
49:38
It's on all the time and no, I see.
49:44
This was the trouble when I watched the movie the other
49:46
night. I remember thinking, oh she's
49:48
going to ask about what classic movie.
49:50
He's pulling that from. I got to remember to look this
49:53
up and then I didn't however, I was reasonably Confident that
49:58
the actor was Cary, Grant had no memory of who the actress was.
50:02
So I put Veronica Lake because I know that's about the right era.
50:06
Can't. Yeah.
50:06
You you guys are both both thinking in the right era.
50:09
So surprisingly the movie was not hot dog.
50:12
It's 1947 everyone because I think Bowie never saw that.
50:18
It was the movie, The Bachelor, and the bobby-soxer, which is a
50:24
movie that if it were night 18:47, you could pay money and c
50:30
and the D actress in particular who reminded was reminiscent of
50:38
the man, with the power of who do was the one and only animal
50:43
crackers herself Shirley Temple. Oh okay.
50:50
But JD You are correct. It was Cary Grant's.
50:59
Thank you. Your, your, your wild, guess of
51:02
actors from the 40s paid off in that regard.
51:07
So, yeah, I still have no idea why this is included.
51:10
Like why Bowie chose to reference this movie that we
51:14
otherwise don't know. I don't know.
51:17
And tragically we can't ask him but what I can do And what I do
51:24
know is that our winner today with a score of 74 points is JD.
51:32
So JD you are today's winner and today's toughest Pig.
51:39
So JD, you win your choice of prizes.
51:43
Oh boy, oh boy. I know, I know.
51:44
It's so exciting. Fabulous prizes were promised
51:48
you and your choice of prizes. You either win a peach.
51:53
That may or may not put you to sleep or a magnet.
51:58
I made of Ludo. Okay.
52:00
So I have to ask a question. Yes.
52:04
Because the peach have a little worm in it, but instead of being
52:08
a worm, the way that the, the puppet worm is a talking worm.
52:13
This worm is just a work. No.
52:16
It actually has a Crawley in it. Oh no.
52:20
I learned about 10 minutes ago. And now now, I'm now I'm an
52:24
expert in Ludo. I want Ludo.
52:28
Okay, you say it was a little magnet.
52:30
Yes, it's a magnet. Okay, it really works.
52:34
As a magnet using the Power. 8 power of man lets not do not and
52:40
say we did so that brings us to the end of another one so
52:45
guests. Where can people find you if you
52:48
wish to be found, let's start with Shan.
52:51
Um, I guess we're in. Mainly active, it would be on my
52:56
Twitter at Shan Gwen sha and N Guin.
53:01
I will mainly tweet You know, I'll do Muppets stuff.
53:05
Sometimes it'll be video game related.
53:08
Like Super Mario stuff. I'm a big like, mainly Super
53:11
Mario, 64 mods, which is very specific, but it's true.
53:16
But I also, you know, as Becca said, I am an illustrator and I
53:20
do have my illustrator, right. Illustration portfolio website
53:24
link in my bio, so, yeah, you can reach me there.
53:28
Yeah. And you've done some cool stuff
53:30
Shan. I mean, here's here's the part
53:32
where I plug stuff that You've done, you've done art for for
53:36
vinesauce and for Danny wine, cough of They Might Be Giants.
53:41
So some cool stuff that you've contributed art to don't, don't
53:46
sell yourself short and JD where can people find you?
53:51
And I Know It kind of keeps changing as you change which
53:54
projects you're doing, but as I make it hard very, very hard.
54:00
So, the old accounts for bad Henson biome.
54:03
Abed Henson Bistro are still there.
54:05
If you want to look at what's there at that Henson bio or a
54:08
tencent bistro. But on topics.com, there's an
54:12
article that has a finished version of the menu that was put
54:16
together for the bad. Jim Henson Bistro.
54:18
I never explained on Mike, what? That was.
54:20
Hmm, I probably should explain. That is a restaurant that I made
54:25
up in which everything in the building everything on the menu
54:28
is random Muppet nonsense. It could be a reference to any
54:32
Muppet thing. When Jim Something and a lot of
54:36
deep cut stuff that only the nerdiest of people will
54:40
understand or appreciate. And if you like that, you might
54:43
also like that Henson bio which was a fake.
54:47
Jim Henson biopic script also very much, not real total
54:51
nonsense. Becca you look like you have
54:55
something you want to say. I was just going to say the bad
54:57
Henson biopic got so bizarre at times and I've remember, some of
55:04
those tweets getting pretty controversial, because of just
55:07
how, like, Surreal. They got like, people were
55:13
confused good but I found it delightful and I'm glad favorite
55:18
movie is Labyrinth. So that's true.
55:20
Is generally confusing. If you want to be confused by
55:23
more of my work, keep an eye on topics.com.
55:25
I'm juggling a few projects right there so I don't know
55:27
what's going to be out when this comes out but hopefully there
55:30
will be something interesting. A quick question JD, are you
55:33
juggling them or is Michael Martian juggling them behind
55:37
you? You got me?
55:40
You got me. Well, of course, one of the most
55:45
prolific tough. Biggest contributors he's
55:48
juggling for all of us. And, of course, you can find
55:51
tough pigs at tough pigs.com, or at tough pigs on Twitter,
55:54
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consider donating to the tough pigs patreon where you can get
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which include a shirt promoting hubba-wha So, you can let people
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know that you have a very normal taste in podcasts.
56:16
I'd like to thank some people for helping out.
56:19
Of course, our guests. Thank you, both, for being here,
56:22
and putting up with this nonsense, but also thanks to
56:27
myself because it's important to be grateful for yourself.
56:33
So, thanks to me for writing producing and editing the show.
56:37
Thanks to Stacy Rosen for Sings the theme music for the show.
56:42
Thanks to Richard, Gomez for doing some new artwork for the
56:45
show. Thanks to Johannes the tough
56:49
pigs Muppet fan podcast executive producer and thanks to
56:53
all my friends from the Labyrinth for being there.
56:57
Whenever I need them the most and of course thanks to all you
57:01
at home for being with us on hobo wha the Muppet quiz show
57:06
and as always, it's only forever not long.
57:09
At all good night, everyone. Hey, you remind me of a man.
57:19
A man, a man with the power. What power?
57:21
The power of who do do do, do, do.
57:22
Do what up, man? Remember the power.
57:25
Good morning screenings. Are you out of your mind?
57:29
What are you trying to do?