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Ep. 193 - Could There Be Life on Other Planets? · The Living Waters Podcast

• 1:04
  Mark Spence: You know, there's a lot of things that are kind of happening out there that are unexplainable, you know, is our government behind?
• 1:10
  Mark Spence: Is our government behind that atrocious act or that thing that happened within our history?
• 1:14
  Mark Spence: I don't know.
• 1:16
  Mark Spence: But the beautiful thing that we do have is we know that God is ultimately in control of all things.
• 1:20
  Mark Spence: We have to remember that we are aliens, right, we are foreigners in a foreign land that are just kind of passing through, homesick for a home we've never been to.
• 1:28
  Mark Spence: We don't fit in, we do not belong here.
• 1:31
  Mark Spence: Oscar, there was some time ago where you quoted CS Lewis concerning about if we don't fit in, the only natural explanation is that we were built for another place.
• 1:43
  Oscar Navarro: Made for another home.
• 1:44
  Mark Spence: yeah, yeah, and that's the case, right.
• 1:46
  Mark Spence: There's nothing a Christian can do to fill at home here on earth.
• 1:53
  Mark Spence: Yeah, and so it is.
• 1:54
  Mark Spence: If we have that mindset that we are just passing through, then we will utilize the resources that God has given us for the purpose for which he's given them to us, which is to bring him glory, and it'll be ultimately for our good.
• 2:12
  Emeal Zwayne: Friends.
• 2:12
  Emeal Zwayne: I don't know if it's typically possible, but it was made possible today here on the Living Waters podcast.
• 2:20
  Emeal Zwayne: It's one thing to not have respect for someone which was a previous case for me to mark but to have negative respect, you know, like in temperature you have like zero degrees.
• 2:36
  Emeal Zwayne: And then you have people zero, negative zero.
• 2:39
  Emeal Zwayne: Come on, I wish, mark, people could have seen your demonstration with your arms flailing and how you showed us what you do with your disgusting Wienerschnitzel chili cheese.
• 2:53
  Oscar Navarro: I'm actually on Mark's side on this one.
• 2:55
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, see Oscar's on my side, but Oscar's just like being healthy With that shirt.
• 2:59
  Emeal Zwayne: Oscar has no jurisdiction to say anything.
• 3:02
  Emeal Zwayne: Here's the thing.
• 3:03
  Oscar Navarro: I can take this shirt off.
• 3:04
  Oscar Navarro: You're stuck with that face, oh boy, I love Wienerschnitzel.
• 3:11
  Mark Spence: In fact, the other day I was on my way to dinner and I stopped by Wienerschnitzel.
• 3:15
  Mark Spence: Just driving by, I was talking to my dad on the phone and I go man, there's room for two chili cheese dogs.
• 3:20
  Mark Spence: It's just room.
• 3:21
  Mark Spence: There's always room, and so you stop by and the idea is to get two chili cheese dogs and a cup of chili, and then you take that chili cheese dog, which is already covered with chili, and you dip it in the chili.
• 3:30
  Mark Spence: Now, I don't like chili.
• 3:31
  Oscar Navarro: We call that the chili dipper.
• 3:32
  Mark Spence: The chili dipper.
• 3:33
  Mark Spence: I like that.
• 3:33
  Mark Spence: I just made that up.
• 3:37
  Emeal Zwayne: I wish people could see the glow on your face as you talk about Wienerschnitzel.
• 3:41
  Emeal Zwayne: Just even what you said to Oscar, I like that.
• 3:44
  Ray Comfort: But I admire that about Mark.
• 3:46
  Mark Spence: He's got passion for what he's talking about.
• 3:47
  Mark Spence: Not only me, but you realize, levi likes Wienerschnitzel.
• 3:51
  Mark Spence: We have a special guest today.
• 3:54
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, he counted us down to kick off the show.
• 3:56
  Emeal Zwayne: Levi, I used to respect him too.
• 4:00
  Mark Spence: I have a Wienerschnitzel gift card for him inside my car.
• 4:02
  Mark Spence: Oscar, don't let that happen, nice.
• 4:04
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, I know where we're going for lunch.
• 4:05
  Oscar Navarro: Oh man.
• 4:07
  Emeal Zwayne: I'm seriously absolutely dumbfounded right now, and we talked about the bits of bone Occasionally.
• 4:14
  Mark Spence: That's occasionally.
• 4:14
  Mark Spence: You just got to spit it out.
• 4:17
  Emeal Zwayne: Yes, I had once in a while in my food.
• 4:19
  Mark Spence: Come on, I mean we've all eaten.
• 4:20
  Mark Spence: On the mission field you just have to spit out certain things that just don't Ray the.
• 4:25
  Oscar Navarro: Jew Bits of bone, by the way.
• 4:27
  Emeal Zwayne: Real quick Chicken wings, literally 80% of it is a bit of bone.
• 4:32
  Mark Spence: Wow.
• 4:32
  Emeal Zwayne: Wow, you need help.
• 4:33
  Mark Spence: This is so true.
• 4:34
  Mark Spence: Wait, don't just gloss by that.
• 4:36
  Mark Spence: That is so true.
• 4:37
  Ray Comfort: If you notice, Mark's been yelling in this podcast.
• 4:39
  Ray Comfort: We're talking about him.
• 4:40
  Mark Spence: I'm so excited for Wintersnitzel.
• 4:41
  Mark Spence: Look at his fashion.
• 4:43
  Emeal Zwayne: Seriously, this borders on the demented, not even borders with him, boy Oscar's side by side.
• 4:49
  Mark Spence: I really like Oscar.
• 4:50
  Mark Spence: Now, oh boy, I really like him.
• 4:52
  Emeal Zwayne: Man.
• 4:53
  Emeal Zwayne: I never believed in psychiatry, but I'm starting to think that through again.
• 4:56
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, but that's the same reason why I detest eating at Keynes, because you get a little vein in those chicken things.
• 5:08
  Mark Spence: I actually never had Keynes.
• 5:08
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah it's probably good.
• 5:10
  Mark Spence: Oscar, where do you think I'm going for dinner tonight Of all the restaurants that I could choose?
• 5:14
  Emeal Zwayne: to go BJ's pizza.
• 5:15
  Mark Spence: I'm going to BJ's tonight.
• 5:16
  Mark Spence: What for that?
• 5:16
  Mark Spence: Dinner?
• 5:17
  Mark Spence: For dinner, yeah, with Pastor Phillip, oh boy and Dan yeah, let's go to BJ's Ray the kosher Jew.
• 5:25
  Emeal Zwayne: What are?
• 5:25
  Ray Comfort: you talking about.
• 5:27
  Emeal Zwayne: Would you eat a disgusting hot dog?
• 5:30
  Ray Comfort: Yes, I just think I wish Matt would buy me one.
• 5:32
  Ray Comfort: He's never bought one of the ministry.
• 5:34
  Emeal Zwayne: You would eat a chili cheese dog?
• 5:35
  Emeal Zwayne: Would you try chili cheese?
• 5:35
  Ray Comfort: dog.
• 5:35
  Ray Comfort: Of course I had chili in a fire station in New York, New Jersey.
• 5:40
  Ray Comfort: Me and Kirk were doing a program.
• 5:41
  Ray Comfort: I told you we were there, but the firefighters made us chili and I loved it.
• 5:45
  Oscar Navarro: Hey, we should do it Next time we do lunch here instead of El Proloquo we should do chili cheese dog.
• 5:50
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh my God man Kelly Oscar she would not believe us.
• 5:54
  Emeal Zwayne: She knows about my wicked ways, no, but look.
• 5:58
  Emeal Zwayne: Okay, guys, let's get real here.
• 6:00
  Mark Spence: I have to sneak my chili cheese dogs, though None of my family allows me to eat.
• 6:04
  Emeal Zwayne: Okay, but let's get real here.
• 6:05
  Emeal Zwayne: It's one thing to have like a real deal all beef Chicago style in Chicago Sure.
• 6:15
  Mark Spence: That's the Russ, chris we're not.
• 6:16
  Emeal Zwayne: Nobody's going to afford that.
• 6:17
  Emeal Zwayne: Okay, whatever.
• 6:19
  Emeal Zwayne: I'm like saying yeah, you know I can't get purified, clean drinking water, so I'm going to go for sewage water.
• 6:27
  Ray Comfort: You see, this is a dead dog.
• 6:29
  Emeal Zwayne: A dead dog.
• 6:30
  Emeal Zwayne: I'm so mad and you're on board with them too now.
• 6:33
  Ray Comfort: Well, I know, I just didn't have a tribe one.
• 6:35
  Emeal Zwayne: I like to buy one, listen for the record, I absolutely love chili cheese dogs like real ones, not this filth imitation, fake.
• 6:44
  Mark Spence: whatever man we finished this episode already, so I'm done.
• 6:46
  Mark Spence: So you'll get a chili cheese dog.
• 6:47
  Emeal Zwayne: Okay, all right, friends, ray, you're in on all this.
• 6:52
  Ray Comfort: Not yet.
• 6:52
  Ray Comfort: Mark's going to buy me one.
• 6:56
  Oscar Navarro: I'm going to bring all of you there for that, by the way.
• 6:58
  Emeal Zwayne: Wow, I hope you stain up your whole shirt with chili.
• 7:01
  Emeal Zwayne: Seriously, is that a shirt?
• 7:04
  Ray Comfort: Does it come in men's?
• 7:06
  Ray Comfort: No, do they make them for men?
• 7:09
  Ray Comfort: It's not a patch on the shirts that I have.
• 7:13
  Emeal Zwayne: That is something else, oscar.
• 7:15
  Emeal Zwayne: All right friends, here's a comment.
• 7:18
  Emeal Zwayne: This is from Katniss, madness 4, and she headlined it with yes, YA, ssssssss.
• 7:28
  Emeal Zwayne: I think this podcast has about the perfect mix of edification and entertainment.
• 7:33
  Emeal Zwayne: You guys are so good at delivering truth in a fun and engaging way, and you're also greatly passionate about hot dogs.
• 7:41
  Emeal Zwayne: No, about the gospel and about the Lord.
• 7:45
  Emeal Zwayne: Thank you for serving us so greatly with your wisdom, jokes, stories, quotes and more.
• 7:51
  Emeal Zwayne: I don't know if we served anybody with what we talked about today.
• 7:54
  Emeal Zwayne: Probably disgusted most sane people.
• 7:57
  Emeal Zwayne: Do you know what's a?
• 8:00
  Oscar Navarro: part of the experience too, for me, mark, is the fact that it comes paper wrapped, cause it, like warms the bun.
• 8:06
  Oscar Navarro: You know what I mean.
• 8:07
  Oscar Navarro: The fact that it's served paper wrapped, in fact like, affects the way in which you enjoy the chili dog.
• 8:14
  Oscar Navarro: Mark has that I'm in love.
• 8:15
  Ray Comfort: Look on his face.
• 8:16
  Ray Comfort: Are we gonna move on?
• 8:17
  Emeal Zwayne: I'm trying to, but these guys, just you brought it back up with a comment.
• 8:21
  Mark Spence: They're infatuated.
• 8:21
  Mark Spence: In fact, I'll order sometimes order four chili cheese dogs, knowing that the other ones are gonna heat up the other ones as it sits there for about five minutes.
• 8:30
  Mark Spence: Oh man, in fact my brother will order five chili cheese dogs.
• 8:34
  Mark Spence: He'll eat three of them and then the last two.
• 8:36
  Mark Spence: He'll take out the hot dog part of it, cause he feels sick like you'll have to throw up.
• 8:41
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, Friends, I hope you all enjoyed Mark's last appearance on the Living Waters podcast.
• 8:46
  Emeal Zwayne: This podcast is brought to you by, you would think, weiner Schnitzel, but no, the school of biblical evangelism, both online and in textbook form, the book that made Mark Spence an author One with very bad taste in food.
• 9:05
  Emeal Zwayne: Make sure to check it out, friends, and don't forget the Living Waters mug, the evidence study, bible, all at LivingWaterscom.
• 9:14
  Emeal Zwayne: Thank you, oscar, you're my permanent helper with that.
• 9:17
  Emeal Zwayne: All right, friends, what are you guys doing?
• 9:22
  Mark Spence: We're looking at chili cheese dogs on the internet.
• 9:23
  Ray Comfort: What?
• 9:24
  Ray Comfort: Sorry, I just thought, what are they?
• 9:26
  Ray Comfort: Great comfort.
• 9:26
  Emeal Zwayne: Your sin has found you out.
• 9:28
  Ray Comfort: I just thought what do they look like?
• 9:29
  Ray Comfort: I was just curious.
• 9:30
  Ray Comfort: Have you never had?
• 9:31
  Emeal Zwayne: one no.
• 9:32
  Oscar Navarro: Wait, what I don't know.
• 9:35
  Ray Comfort: Guys, I can't wait for this program to be over, because I've seen on NBC there was a lady that was attacked by a hawk and she yelled out help me, jesus, what?
• 9:44
  Ray Comfort: And NBC are?
• 9:45
  Ray Comfort: And a snake.
• 9:47
  Emeal Zwayne: And a snake.
• 9:48
  Mark Spence: Yeah, a snake in a hawk attacked her.
• 9:51
  Ray Comfort: No, a snake in a hawk.
• 9:51
  Ray Comfort: At the same time they did, and she said help me, jesus.
• 9:54
  Ray Comfort: And NBC is reporting it.
• 9:55
  Ray Comfort: So I've gone to the videos.
• 9:56
  Ray Comfort: I'm going to try and put something up for our site.
• 9:59
  Emeal Zwayne: Get it out, mark.
• 9:59
  Emeal Zwayne: He's shown me cheese dogs.
• 10:01
  Emeal Zwayne: Cheese dogs, All right, enough of the stupidity, more stupidity Today we're talking about.
• 10:07
  Emeal Zwayne: Could there be life Another planet?
• 10:10
  Emeal Zwayne: Why aren't you laughing, oscar?
• 10:12
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, yeah, this is the question of the century.
• 10:17
  Emeal Zwayne: You guys have any favorite alien movies?
• 10:19
  Emeal Zwayne: Yes, seriously, is there a shortage of alien movies?
• 10:24
  Emeal Zwayne: Right?
• 10:24
  Emeal Zwayne: The?
• 10:24
  Ray Comfort: blob.
• 10:26
  Oscar Navarro: Is it an alien?
• 10:27
  Oscar Navarro: I don't remember that.
• 10:28
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, I don't know if it's the other one is the thing from outer space.
• 10:32
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, seriously.
• 10:33
  Ray Comfort: Their classic movies are so dumb, they're fun.
• 10:36
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, the thing Is that the clown, no, that's it.
• 10:39
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, that's an it.
• 10:42
  Emeal Zwayne: Then there's the man that became a fly, or for something Like a fly A fly A fly that's not from outer space, but I like.
• 10:48
  Ray Comfort: I just watch them for fun because they're wholesome and stupid.
• 10:51
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, they're dumb man, but seriously, you've got to.
• 10:54
  Emeal Zwayne: There's always an alien movie in the theater, it would seem.
• 10:58
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, well, there's a lot of really bad ones.
• 11:00
  Oscar Navarro: Like any other genre, there's terrible science fiction, but there's also really good science fiction, both books and movies.
• 11:05
  Oscar Navarro: And actually, for the non-readers out there, one of the best the illiterate people, one of the best science fiction movies that have come out in a really long time is Arrival.
• 11:16
  Oscar Navarro: Have you ever seen Arrival?
• 11:17
  Oscar Navarro: No Oscar, oh man.
• 11:19
  Ray Comfort: Is it clean?
• 11:20
  Oscar Navarro: Then in a way, you can watch it on clean format and also it doesn't seem like anything was taken out of it.
• 11:26
  Ray Comfort: We should always qualify it when we talk about movies, because it is.
• 11:31
  Oscar Navarro: I'm not going to give anything away, but you should see it.
• 11:34
  Oscar Navarro: Here's the one push.
• 11:36
  Oscar Navarro: It is the most pro-life blockbuster movie I've ever seen, really, and they don't even realize that it's pro-life.
• 11:43
  Oscar Navarro: Oh, alien movie, it's called Arrival.
• 11:46
  Oscar Navarro: Wow, it is so good, that's my pitch for it.
• 11:51
  Emeal Zwayne: Merci beaucoup, boy.
• 11:52
  Emeal Zwayne: They've been doing these things for a long time.
• 11:54
  Emeal Zwayne: You guys remember when I was a kid, there was a TV series called V?
• 11:59
  Oscar Navarro: V for Victory.
• 12:00
  Emeal Zwayne: What?
• 12:01
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, you remember that?
• 12:02
  Emeal Zwayne: I sure do Remember that, lady Diana.
• 12:04
  Emeal Zwayne: She would eat rats.
• 12:05
  Emeal Zwayne: She'd open her mouth and eat rats Like they looked like people on the outside but they took on human form, but they were aliens underneath and they would eat.
• 12:12
  Emeal Zwayne: Remember Mark V's for Victory that was Rats or Chili Dogs.
• 12:15
  Mark Spence: I'm not a fan of sci-fi.
• 12:16
  Mark Spence: I'm not a fan of really any of that genre whatsoever.
• 12:21
  Mark Spence: I don't get it at all.
• 12:23
  Mark Spence: Never Star Wars fan Never.
• 12:26
  Mark Spence: I've never seen Star Wars, what.
• 12:27
  Mark Spence: I'm not a fan of any of that stuff.
• 12:29
  Ray Comfort: I walked out of it, Did you?
• 12:31
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, well, I tell my little kids to see it they're only like five or six because I heard it was so good and the first scene was bodies burning and I thought this isn't good.
• 12:40
  Ray Comfort: Oh, I might see it then.
• 12:41
  Ray Comfort: Chili Dogs.
• 12:44
  Emeal Zwayne: Are there dead Chili Dogs in it?
• 12:45
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, you know, it really is a massive infatuation in the world.
• 12:53
  Ray Comfort: It used to be for me, until we landed on the moon and there was just dirt they came back with dirt.
• 12:58
  Emeal Zwayne: Did you believe the Mormon prophecy that there are men on the moon?
• 13:00
  Emeal Zwayne: Men on the what On the moon?
• 13:04
  Ray Comfort: No, but I remember listening to it live.
• 13:06
  Ray Comfort: I was on my motorbike and I stopped as they were landing on the moon.
• 13:08
  Ray Comfort: I was, I think I was 16.
• 13:10
  Ray Comfort: And it was fascinating.
• 13:12
  Ray Comfort: And then you think what's gonna come from this?
• 13:14
  Ray Comfort: And nothing came from it.
• 13:15
  Ray Comfort: They just brought back some dirt.
• 13:16
  Emeal Zwayne: You know it was fake the whole moon.
• 13:17
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, that's right.
• 13:20
  Mark Spence: And then I liked the Christian astronomer Not, I mean not astronomer, the guy who walked on the moon not walked on the moon, he spent more time in outer space, Jeff Williams and he opened up his sermon at the Ark with two things.
• 13:33
  Mark Spence: He said first of all, yes, we did land on the moon, and second, no, the earth is not flat.
• 13:39
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, that's how he opened up his sermon.
• 13:41
  Emeal Zwayne: It's so good to hear that, especially from a reputable, sane man of God who lived in the space station, and we're actually.
• 13:47
  Emeal Zwayne: We have a conference coming up where he'll be speaking with us as well we do.
• 13:51
  Mark Spence: Yeah, it's a conference for pastors at the Ark.
• 13:53
  Mark Spence: At the Ark, yeah and October.
• 13:55
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, this may have aired by then, who knows.
• 13:57
  Ray Comfort: Brian Regan walked on the moon also.
• 14:00
  Emeal Zwayne: Seriously one of the best bits ever.
• 14:03
  Emeal Zwayne: You guys have to admit you've heard of that bit, oscar.
• 14:05
  Emeal Zwayne: What you haven't heard of Brian Regan yeah, he's okay, I'll summarize it.
• 14:10
  Emeal Zwayne: So he's talking about?
• 14:11
  Emeal Zwayne: He's talking about going to dinner parties.
• 14:13
  Emeal Zwayne: You know how people just talk themselves up.
• 14:15
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, I'm an owner of a 500 fortune company.
• 14:19
  Emeal Zwayne: I did this.
• 14:20
  Emeal Zwayne: I went to the stock.
• 14:22
  Oscar Navarro: I'm money, I'm banks, I'm the CDs.
• 14:26
  Mark Spence: And he goes in there.
• 14:26
  Mark Spence: Then there's this guy just in the corner hanging out waiting for people to finish speaking.
• 14:31
  Mark Spence: Yeah.
• 14:32
  Emeal Zwayne: And he's just and Brian Regan, he shows he's like taking his shrimp and he's dipping it in the cocktail and he just goes.
• 14:38
  Emeal Zwayne: I walked on the moon Because you can't trump that right.
• 14:44
  Emeal Zwayne: It doesn't get any bigger than walking on the moon.
• 14:46
  Emeal Zwayne: Well, he's like when I was in my moon rover at the Sea of Tranquility.
• 14:53
  Mark Spence: I can't believe I heard of Brian Regan.
• 14:55
  Emeal Zwayne: He had to be there.
• 14:56
  Emeal Zwayne: Oscar, wow, he's so funny.
• 14:57
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh, it's so funny, but seriously like how insightful that is right.
• 15:01
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean it was gonna trump this guy.
• 15:03
  Ray Comfort: And he talked about having wisdom teeth pulled.
• 15:05
  Ray Comfort: Oh yeah, and as you say, I had two wisdom teeth pulled.
• 15:08
  Ray Comfort: In comes some guy Peritroup where it says he had six pulled.
• 15:12
  Ray Comfort: They parachuted.
• 15:12
  Ray Comfort: Someone's always gonna up story, you.
• 15:15
  Mark Spence: You were impacted.
• 15:18
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, oh boy we always yeah, Anyway.
• 15:20
  Emeal Zwayne: But, guys, this is becoming obviously.
• 15:24
  Emeal Zwayne: There've been alien movies forever and TV shows I mean back probably in the 40s, 50s, right, it's been going on for a long time.
• 15:31
  Ray Comfort: Oh yes, when I was a little kid, like seven or eight, I used to read books on outer space and I was very fascinated by it, but it's increasing now.
• 15:39
  Mark Spence: I think it was at Orson Welles with his radio program.
• 15:41
  Ray Comfort: Remember that famous.
• 15:42
  Ray Comfort: I don't remember it as well before my day, but there's fans.
• 15:45
  Mark Spence: War of the.
• 15:45
  Ray Comfort: Worlds.
• 15:46
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, do you guys know the story of that?
• 15:47
  Emeal Zwayne: No, I don't even know what it is.
• 15:49
  Emeal Zwayne: Wait, seriously, you don't.
• 15:51
  Ray Comfort: It's War of the Worlds.
• 15:51
  Ray Comfort: It's part of history.
• 15:52
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, okay, so it's a book, no Orson Welles the actor.
• 15:57
  Oscar Navarro: The voice actor yeah, he developed the story called War of the Worlds, and the way they decided to produce it is they put it on the radio.
• 16:05
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh, yes, of course, I've heard of this.
• 16:08
  Oscar Navarro: So, for those who haven't heard of it, they put it on the radio.
• 16:10
  Oscar Navarro: It's this incredible story that's like a phenomenon that ended up happening.
• 16:14
  Oscar Navarro: But what they did from a marketing perspective and I actually read this in a marketing book is they didn't advertise it, they didn't market it, they just simply went live with it and they presented it as a news report, as though aliens were taking over the world.
• 16:31
  Oscar Navarro: It was called War of the Worlds.
• 16:32
  Emeal Zwayne: I think you've even mentioned it on the podcast.
• 16:34
  Oscar Navarro: There's no commercial breaks, the original airing, and what ended up happening is some people went into a fever because they thought it was really happening.
• 16:42
  Oscar Navarro: Wow, and it is, and it won.
• 16:45
  Oscar Navarro: I mean, the delivery of the story is incredible.
• 16:47
  Oscar Navarro: It's also just like a great, immersive experience.
• 16:50
  Oscar Navarro: You can listen to the original recording.
• 16:52
  Oscar Navarro: It's out there, you can find it on the internet and, of course, there's a Tom Hanks movie that was written about it too, called War of the Worlds.
• 16:59
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, yeah.
• 16:59
  Emeal Zwayne: Well, here's what's going on now, guys, and this is why I think it's important for us to address it, because things have reached a new level.
• 17:07
  Emeal Zwayne: Right For ages, people say and aliens are there?
• 17:09
  Emeal Zwayne: Aliens are there not aliens, whatever?
• 17:10
  Emeal Zwayne: And the government obviously always denied anything, always stayed silent on things.
• 17:15
  Emeal Zwayne: Well, as you guys know, recently there was a hearing before Congress, and here are the three guys that testified.
• 17:24
  Emeal Zwayne: You had former Navy pilot Ryan Graves, retired US Navy commander David Fraver and former intelligence officer David Grusk.
• 17:37
  Emeal Zwayne: They all testified before Congress about what seemed to be objects that are very, very foreign.
• 17:49
  Mark Spence: UFOs.
• 17:50
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, but they defined it as actual.
• 17:53
  Oscar Navarro: They didn't define it as aliens or even intelligent life.
• 17:57
  Emeal Zwayne: They're just saying this is something that is far beyond anything that we have the capacity to.
• 18:04
  Emeal Zwayne: We don't have the technology.
• 18:05
  Emeal Zwayne: It's just way too.
• 18:06
  Emeal Zwayne: They talk about this thing.
• 18:08
  Emeal Zwayne: They call it like a tic-tac, that's what they refer to it.
• 18:10
  Emeal Zwayne: That's what the vessel looked like and they talk about it just hovered perfectly and then all of a sudden, at like supersonic speed, was just gone, like so Didn't they have a blurry camera to get a picture of it?
• 18:22
  Emeal Zwayne: That's right, they had footage and stuff Was it clear.
• 18:27
  Ray Comfort: I don't know yeah, I bet it was a real.
• 18:29
  Ray Comfort: It was a real, why is?
• 18:30
  Emeal Zwayne: it, you're right.
• 18:31
  Emeal Zwayne: Why is it also?
• 18:32
  Ray Comfort: It's always blurry.
• 18:32
  Ray Comfort: It was a real tic-tac.
• 18:34
  Ray Comfort: It was someone flicked up in the air.
• 18:36
  Oscar Navarro: But here's the thing Go ahead, you go.
• 18:40
  Emeal Zwayne: Okay, well, I was gonna just say, like, what's really getting people stirred up is that these are like, these are legitimate people, they have credibility, they're not some dude sitting in a mom's basement.
• 18:50
  Ray Comfort: Well, they're head credibility, head credibility.
• 18:52
  Emeal Zwayne: But again, they were being careful.
• 18:54
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, that's key.
• 18:55
  Emeal Zwayne: They were being careful.
• 18:56
  Emeal Zwayne: They weren't saying they're saying we're just telling you we have seen things that defy any comprehension that we do not have the technology to do this.
• 19:04
  Mark Spence: It's impossible.
• 19:04
  Mark Spence: You go though with that, we jump to a place of oh, it's an alien.
• 19:08
  Mark Spence: Aliens exist.
• 19:09
  Oscar Navarro: Right, right, well and again, a part of the problem is that we understand UFO, which is defined as unidentified flying object, but we immediately think intelligent, extraterrestrial, intelligent life.
• 19:21
  Oscar Navarro: But the definition that they use and it's so funny if you read the news headlines it's like you know, military generals and government officials tell us that there's aliens.
• 19:33
  Oscar Navarro: But if you actually which I did this, I actually went and watched the interviews by them they use unidentified aerial phenomena and they're very intentional about using it because, to your point, ray, in the past they've been able to identify that the phenomena wasn't something in space, that it was a reflection on a window, that it was lightning, storms, that it was other things.
• 19:59
  Oscar Navarro: Now they're not saying all of them are that, but the reason why they use the word phenomenon?
• 20:04
  Oscar Navarro: Because they simply cannot explain what is being seen, which does open the door for the potential of some sort of extraterrestrial possibility.
• 20:16
  Oscar Navarro: But in those interviews they don't say that that's what it is.
• 20:19
  Emeal Zwayne: That's key.
• 20:20
  Emeal Zwayne: But one of the guys said that when he interviewed different people within you know, the military that there are some who said they recovered something that had, yeah, technology that was non-human and also organisms.
• 20:35
  Emeal Zwayne: Yes, you know, you saw that.
• 20:36
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, so these are the things that are making people go huh.
• 20:39
  Emeal Zwayne: What, ray, what do you think about all this?
• 20:42
  Ray Comfort: I mean, do you think Well, one thing I think Hollywood is very limited in its imagination when it comes to aliens or outer space people, because the movies I've watched they always have heads, eyes, ears, arms and legs.
• 20:55
  Ray Comfort: It's just the green that's.
• 20:59
  Ray Comfort: And so I think about the whole thought of there being life and outer space and asking myself could there be a planet that has what Earth has?
• 21:10
  Ray Comfort: Cause it's gonna have to have gravity, it's gonna have to have air, it's gonna have to write.
• 21:15
  Ray Comfort: If it's a human type, life gonna have oxygen, the right mixture within the air.
• 21:20
  Ray Comfort: It's gonna have soil that yields food, it's gonna have water.
• 21:24
  Ray Comfort: You go down the list of things that have gotta happen for life to be in outer space and you think the only way it could happen is if God created it like that.
• 21:32
  Ray Comfort: I like to think there are scientists and there are silly scientists, and silly scientists have got crazy theories about remember the Cinderella, or not Cinderella?
• 21:44
  Ray Comfort: The three beers, Goldilocks, Goldilocks yeah, that's what they say.
• 21:48
  Ray Comfort: With Goldilocks, the porridge was too cold or too hot and just right, and they said that's what happened.
• 21:55
  Ray Comfort: That's why we've got life on Earth, because everything just worked out right.
• 21:59
  Ray Comfort: Just randomly yeah random and so it would have to happen.
• 22:02
  Ray Comfort: The same thought for there to be life in outer space and I, without God having a hand in it, I can't see it happening, obviously.
• 22:09
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, yeah, mark, what do you think?
• 22:11
  Emeal Zwayne: What's your perspective?
• 22:12
  Emeal Zwayne: And again, we haven't talked about this before the podcasts like we do with all podcasts, we don't talk beforehand, so it's good to hear thoughts, perspectives and see where we land.
• 22:21
  Mark Spence: You know.
• 22:22
  Mark Spence: Nothing in the Bible indicates that aliens are real, but neither does any part of the Bible strictly refute the existence either.
• 22:29
  Mark Spence: If somebody has some sort of an experience, and I'll leave it at that I would chalk it more up to the idea of maybe something demonic as opposed to there being actual aliens, you know, in outer space there's just we're left with way too many questions in order for it to take place.
• 22:50
  Mark Spence: So I know that we all know that the spiritual realm is very real, and because it is very real, people have had many different types of experiences that are just attached to that.
• 23:03
  Mark Spence: And when you don't know how to explain the spiritual realm, well then you're left with thinking well, it must be something from outer space, because the naturalistic mind does not receive the spiritual right, the ability that we live in a materialistic world, so then we have to explain everything materialistically Demonic.
• 23:24
  Mark Spence: I leaned to that.
• 23:26
  Oscar Navarro: In regards to any sort of an experience.
• 23:28
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, somebody's experienced this.
• 23:30
  Mark Spence: somebody might have, but extraterrestrial life.
• 23:32
  Mark Spence: I don't believe in it, okay.
• 23:35
  Emeal Zwayne: So, let me first of all, ray, that's good, because there's different definitions.
• 23:38
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, it's important that we distinguish what you're saying.
• 23:40
  Emeal Zwayne: And that's the thing you know.
• 23:41
  Emeal Zwayne: It's interesting because you'll sometimes get atheists who outright deny the existence of God, and then they'll make room for this, though right, something they've never personally seen, or that they you know, on the basis of what People's testimony?
• 23:57
  Emeal Zwayne: What about the testimony of those that saw Jesus rise from the dead?
• 24:00
  Emeal Zwayne: You know so anyway.
• 24:02
  Emeal Zwayne: But, ray, you made a really good point, and actually this was made by, by secular people, by those that believe in evolution.
• 24:10
  Emeal Zwayne: It's a real premise, I think, for the whole alien thing.
• 24:13
  Emeal Zwayne: But listen to this.
• 24:14
  Emeal Zwayne: In fact, lane, our wonderful assistant here, executive assistant, she she brought this to my attention this morning.
• 24:20
  Emeal Zwayne: It's called the Fermi Paradox and this is from SETIorg Says is there some evidence suggesting that humans are the galaxy's only intelligent species?
• 24:30
  Emeal Zwayne: And Rico Fermi thought so, and he was a pretty smart guy.
• 24:34
  Emeal Zwayne: Could he be right?
• 24:34
  Emeal Zwayne: In 1950, the famous physicist made a seemingly innocuous lunchtime remark that has caught and held the attention of every SETI researcher since the utterance came when, while Fermi was discussing with his mill-time mates the reasonable possibility that many sophisticated societies populate the galaxy.
• 24:52
  Emeal Zwayne: But somewhere between one sentence and the next, fermi's supple brain realized that if this was true, it implied something profound.
• 25:00
  Emeal Zwayne: If there are really a lot of alien societies, then some of them might have spread out.
• 25:04
  Emeal Zwayne: Fermi grasps that any civilization with a modest amount of rocket technology and a modest amount of imperial incentive could rapidly colonize the entire galaxy.
• 25:13
  Emeal Zwayne: Within a few tens of millions of years, every star system could be brought under the wing of empire.
• 25:19
  Emeal Zwayne: Tens of millions of years may sound like a long project, but in fact it's quite short compared to the age of the galaxy, which is roughly a thousand times more.
• 25:27
  Emeal Zwayne: Obviously, we don't agree with the whole age thing.
• 25:29
  Emeal Zwayne: But so what Fermi immediately recognized was that the aliens have had more than enough time to pepper the galaxy with their presence.
• 25:36
  Emeal Zwayne: But looking around, we don't see any clear indication that they're out and about.
• 25:40
  Emeal Zwayne: We don't see any obvious evidence of a galactic empire or a unified United Federation of Planets.
• 25:45
  Emeal Zwayne: This prompted Fermi to ask what was to him an obvious question when is everybody?
• 25:51
  Emeal Zwayne: And the galaxy assumed to be filled with clever beings.
• 25:54
  Emeal Zwayne: Why don't we see any?
• 25:55
  Emeal Zwayne: This dissonance is known as a Fermi paradox.
• 25:58
  Emeal Zwayne: A lot of folks have given this a lot of thought.
• 25:59
  Emeal Zwayne: The first thing they know is that the Fermi paradox is a remarkably strong argument.
• 26:03
  Emeal Zwayne: You can see that quibble about the speed of alien spacecraft.
• 26:06
  Emeal Zwayne: Whether it's 1% the speed of light or 10% the speed of light, it doesn't matter.
• 26:09
  Emeal Zwayne: You can argue about how long it would take for a few star colony to spawn colonies of its own, it still doesn't matter.
• 26:15
  Emeal Zwayne: Any halfway reasonable assumption about how fast colonization could take place still end up with the time scale that are enormously shorter than the age of the galaxy.
• 26:25
  Emeal Zwayne: It's like discussing whether Spanish ships of the 16th century could have a long, a long at two knots or 20.
• 26:30
  Emeal Zwayne: Either way, they could speedily colonize the Americas.
• 26:34
  Emeal Zwayne: So the point of that is that, yeah, if they are around, how come they haven't done what we would expect to be done?
• 26:42
  Oscar Navarro: Well, I guess the only argument against that you already made it, which refutes his argument, which is that if all of creation is only 10,000 years old, then it hasn't had enough time for those galaxies to connect with each other.
• 26:56
  Oscar Navarro: Because, if you think about here on earth, the world has only been connected, as in Europe and the Americas, for the last 600 years.
• 27:04
  Oscar Navarro: It's crazy, right.
• 27:05
  Oscar Navarro: So before 600 years ago, if you were born in Europe, you had no idea not only that North America existed, but there was a potential of other humans on a piece of land that you didn't even know existed.
• 27:19
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, and that's a whole point.
• 27:21
  Emeal Zwayne: So, going by bi-secular standards they don't have enough time.
• 27:26
  Emeal Zwayne: But obviously we know the galaxy and the universe isn't that old and so, yeah, it's just ridiculous.
• 27:32
  Oscar Navarro: So do you think there's life on other planets?
• 27:34
  Oscar Navarro: I?
• 27:34
  Emeal Zwayne: don't, I don't.
• 27:35
  Emeal Zwayne: And let me ask this question.
• 27:39
  Emeal Zwayne: I want to read something from answers in Genesis.
• 27:40
  Emeal Zwayne: But why are they always made intelligent?
• 27:43
  Emeal Zwayne: Why can't there be stupid?
• 27:50
  Ray Comfort: aliens.
• 27:51
  Ray Comfort: There is a stupid life in the universe.
• 27:53
  Ray Comfort: Forget intelligent life.
• 27:55
  Ray Comfort: Why, I think?
• 27:56
  Ray Comfort: The thing that intrigues me is they throw in the word other.
• 27:59
  Ray Comfort: Is there other intelligent life?
• 28:02
  Ray Comfort: As if we're intelligent.
• 28:04
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah.
• 28:04
  Emeal Zwayne: So let me read what our friends from answers in Genesis said in an article.
• 28:08
  Emeal Zwayne: In a biblical worldview, we don't expect alien life to exist.
• 28:11
  Emeal Zwayne: The Bible tells us earth was formed to be inhabited and the other celestial bodies were created for signs, seasons and days Genesis 1.14.
• 28:21
  Emeal Zwayne: That's a good point and years.
• 28:22
  Emeal Zwayne: It was to earth that Jesus came to save us, not to another planet to save another race of beings.
• 28:28
  Emeal Zwayne: So there's more we'll get into, but yeah, what do you think of that, oscar?
• 28:34
  Oscar Navarro: I think that's a very nearer view of the interpretation of some of those passages that they're quoting, and so do I think that there's extraterrestrial life.
• 28:43
  Oscar Navarro: I don't know.
• 28:44
  Oscar Navarro: I like what you said, mark.
• 28:45
  Oscar Navarro: The scriptures don't make it clear, it doesn't speak on the subject.
• 28:48
  Oscar Navarro: Like, the scriptures don't tell us that there's such a thing as macaroni and cheese, but that doesn't mean there's no such thing as macaroni and cheese, because the scriptures are not a book that is intended to tell us everything there is to know.
• 29:01
  Oscar Navarro: The scriptures were written by God to tell us one story, and that is the story of God reconciling the world to himself, and so it doesn't include everything, and God intended for it to not include everything.
• 29:15
  Oscar Navarro: Augustine believed this.
• 29:17
  Oscar Navarro: He said that there are two books.
• 29:18
  Oscar Navarro: There's the book of scriptures, which gives us account of God reconciling the world to himself, and then there's the book of creation, in which we look out into the world and learn about our God by understanding His creation.
• 29:32
  Emeal Zwayne: Right, the alien Augustine might have said that.
• 29:34
  Emeal Zwayne: But Augustine, the earthly figure, said something different.
• 29:36
  Mark Spence: So I'm just curious, oscar, where do you lean, though?
• 29:39
  Mark Spence: Do you lean that there are aliens, or do you lean that there's not aliens?
• 29:41
  Oscar Navarro: I lean on, I don't know.
• 29:43
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, in here let me explain why.
• 29:45
  Oscar Navarro: Because, one, the scriptures don't make it clear and I think, I think that it is perfectly reasonable that God created.
• 29:53
  Oscar Navarro: Well, first off, okay, we have to think about, like, the magnitude of God's creation, and I'll get there in a minute.
• 29:59
  Oscar Navarro: But I think, first off, it's perfectly reasonable, according to the scriptures which is sort of what Ray was alluding to and you were alluding to by quoting a IG that God created everything for his glory and that there would only be one planet in which life existed.
• 30:18
  Oscar Navarro: But, more specifically, imago day, life existed and Everything else is simply there to display his glory in his magnitude, to sing of his riches and praise.
• 30:30
  Oscar Navarro: Because I think, in many way, well, okay, so there, like, I think that it's perfectly reasonable to think that way and I'm compelled to think that way.
• 30:39
  Oscar Navarro: On the other hand, what do we know about Creation?
• 30:43
  Oscar Navarro: Very little.
• 30:45
  Oscar Navarro: Like we've only discovered four percent of our ocean, four percent of our ocean.
• 30:51
  Oscar Navarro: Every single year we're discovering new life on earth, plants and reptiles and in fish.
• 31:00
  Oscar Navarro: Like we have yet to fully discover Everything there is to know about our very planet.
• 31:05
  Oscar Navarro: Right, we know nothing.
• 31:06
  Oscar Navarro: Essentially, we know nothing about our planet that we live on right now, and there are other planets in our own solar system and, as it pertains to solar system, there are 3,000 other solar systems in our neighborhood of the Milky Way galaxy.
• 31:20
  Oscar Navarro: In a Milky Way galaxy, there are 10 billion solar systems with their own planets, and the Milky Way galaxy is one of 200 billion galaxies with their own billions of solar systems with their own planets, and so I think it's very self-centered to say we are the only planet where there is life.
• 31:41
  Oscar Navarro: Now, I use the word life, not intelligent life, because life can be grass, life can be Bacteria, and so I don't.
• 31:53
  Oscar Navarro: I think it's also perfectly reasonable that God would create bacteria on other planets To sing of his praise to sing, singing bacteria singing bacteria.
• 32:05
  Oscar Navarro: That's what we are?
• 32:05
  Oscar Navarro: No, we're not no, but to sing his praise, to magnify his glory, to be as magnificent as he truly is, because, again, he's created parts of our own ocean that we haven't even discovered yet.
• 32:16
  Oscar Navarro: And so I think it's perfectly reasonable for God to create life on other planets for his glory, and I think it's perfectly reasonable that life, that God did not create life on other planets, because he simply wanted to create life on this planet for his glory.
• 32:33
  Ray Comfort: So if we have a truly I don't know so if we have a myth, them would sound a war and kill them for sure likely yeah, Mark what are you gonna say Okay?
• 32:41
  Mark Spence: so would you say then, oscar, that if there's life in outer space, that this life would just be more along the lines of a Different sort of a creature, that's not creating the image of God, so they're not re redemptive, right they're?
• 32:56
  Mark Spence: They're not, maybe they can't be redeemed, right?
• 33:00
  Mark Spence: So if there's a creature, maybe there's some sort of a creature, animal, that's out there, just like we have creatures and animals here.
• 33:05
  Oscar Navarro: I mean, like the blob, yeah, like there's nothing to say that they can't be intelligent right.
• 33:10
  Mark Spence: So maybe they can create, maybe they can do something further that animals do here.
• 33:14
  Mark Spence: But these are not creatures created in the image of God that were redeemed at the cross.
• 33:20
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, well, I think there's two questions.
• 33:21
  Oscar Navarro: The question one because I'm alluding to the idea of bacteria being on other planets, and no bacteria is not created the image of God.
• 33:28
  Oscar Navarro: It's not read.
• 33:29
  Oscar Navarro: It's not a part of redemptive history.
• 33:30
  Oscar Navarro: The question, then, is so I don't have any reason to believe there's intelligent life on other planets.
• 33:35
  Oscar Navarro: But if you found out tomorrow, if we somehow made contact with intelligent life, would that somehow rock your faith, right?
• 33:43
  Oscar Navarro: No, not at all, not at all.
• 33:44
  Oscar Navarro: Why not?
• 33:45
  Oscar Navarro: Well, why would it Exactly so?
• 33:48
  Oscar Navarro: Why be afraid of saying, yeah, there's a potential for intelligent life.
• 33:51
  Oscar Navarro: Well, because it doesn't rock my faith.
• 33:53
  Oscar Navarro: It wouldn't affect the way I view redemptive history.
• 33:55
  Emeal Zwayne: Let me say this for a jump cent, I would say that good, really good points.
• 34:00
  Emeal Zwayne: I think, though, sometimes people use this in keeping with, like Theistic evolution and they'll say, well, if you found it, if they found out evidence for evolution of today with that rock your faith, or whatever.
• 34:13
  Emeal Zwayne: But I think there's a time where we have to say, well, but this doesn't square with scripture, and I know, ultimately that's a question does scripture forbid that there could be the existence of aliens?
• 34:22
  Emeal Zwayne: I have more to read from answers, and Genesis that builds the case, so I'll do that, but Ray.
• 34:26
  Ray Comfort: I think I believe an extra trust your life.
• 34:28
  Ray Comfort: Aren't angels aliens, hmm in a sense.
• 34:32
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, from outer space, and then they're earth and speak to people not from here.
• 34:39
  Emeal Zwayne: So the article goes on.
• 34:41
  Emeal Zwayne: It says, however, the notion of alien life does not square well with scripture.
• 34:44
  Emeal Zwayne: The earth is unique.
• 34:45
  Emeal Zwayne: God designed the earth for life, isaiah 45, 18.
• 34:49
  Emeal Zwayne: The other planets have an entirely different purpose than does the earth, and thus they are designed differently.
• 34:54
  Emeal Zwayne: In Genesis 1 we read that God created plants on the earth on day 3, birds to fly in the atmosphere and marine life to swim in the ocean on day 5, an animal to inhabit the land on day 6.
• 35:04
  Emeal Zwayne: Human beings were also made on day 6 and we're given dominion over the animals.
• 35:08
  Emeal Zwayne: But where does the Bible discuss the creation of life on the lights and the expanses of the heavens?
• 35:13
  Emeal Zwayne: There is no such description, because the lights in the expanse were not designed to accommodate life.
• 35:18
  Emeal Zwayne: God gave care of the earth to man, but the heavens are the lords.
• 35:22
  Emeal Zwayne: From biblical perspective, extra-strestrials life does not seem reasonable.
• 35:26
  Ray Comfort: Isn't every planet that we discover hostile to life?
• 35:30
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, so far, so far, yeah, yeah.
• 35:33
  Emeal Zwayne: And then comes in that what you posed mark the redemption question.
• 35:36
  Emeal Zwayne: When we consider how the salvation plan might apply to any Hypothetical extraterrestrial but otherwise human-like beings, we are presented with a problem.
• 35:47
  Emeal Zwayne: If there were Vulcans or Klingons out there, how would they be saved?
• 35:51
  Emeal Zwayne: They're not blood relatives of Jesus, and so Christ shed blood cannot pay for their sin.
• 35:55
  Emeal Zwayne: One might at first suppose that Christ also visited their world, lived there and died there as well, but this is anti-biblical.
• 36:03
  Emeal Zwayne: Christ died once for all, and then the scriptures are cited Jesus is now and forever both God and man, but he is not alien.
• 36:11
  Emeal Zwayne: Think of that, mark I.
• 36:15
  Mark Spence: I like it.
• 36:15
  Mark Spence: No, I think that is that by Georgia.
• 36:18
  Emeal Zwayne: Purdom, I'm not sure who wrote the article.
• 36:21
  Emeal Zwayne: Actually it's from AIG, but I think yeah, yeah.
• 36:24
  Mark Spence: No, I mean I I don't typically get into discussions like this.
• 36:29
  Mark Spence: I mean my mind doesn't even kind of even wander into this place, but uh, yeah, you know, whatever, yeah.
• 36:37
  Emeal Zwayne: Listen to this, one might.
• 36:38
  Emeal Zwayne: One might suppose that alien beings have.
• 36:41
  Emeal Zwayne: One might suppose that alien beings have never sinned, and which case they would not need to be redeemed.
• 36:45
  Emeal Zwayne: But then another problem emerges they suffer the effects of sin despite having never sinned.
• 36:50
  Emeal Zwayne: Adam.
• 36:51
  Emeal Zwayne: Sin has affected all of creation, not just mankind.
• 36:54
  Emeal Zwayne: Romans 8, 20, 22 that's a good point makes it clear that the entirety of creation suffers under the bondage of corruption.
• 37:01
  Emeal Zwayne: These kinds of issues highlight the problem of attempting to incorporate an anti-biblical notion into the Christian worldview.
• 37:06
  Emeal Zwayne: And finally, extra-terrestrial life is an evolutionary concept.
• 37:09
  Emeal Zwayne: It does not comport with the biblical teachings of the uniqueness of the earth and the distinct spiritual position of human beings of all the worlds in the universe.
• 37:17
  Emeal Zwayne: It was the earth that God Himself visited, taking on the additional nature of a human being, dying on a cross and rising from the dead in order to redeem all who would trust in him.
• 37:26
  Emeal Zwayne: The local worldview sharply contrasts with the secular worldview when it comes to alien life.
• 37:31
  Emeal Zwayne: Ray, do you, do you think, I mean, do you sense that the the whole notion of Aliens extra-terrestrial is rooted in evolutionary theory, that life must have evolved elsewhere too?
• 37:43
  Ray Comfort: I think so every time I read any.
• 37:45
  Ray Comfort: I did a little bit of study on it and some research and all seem to tie in with evolutionary theory.
• 37:50
  Ray Comfort: But there's a I think there's a reason.
• 37:53
  Ray Comfort: We hear of people having contact with aliens.
• 37:56
  Ray Comfort: If you can Get a great story, you become famous.
• 38:00
  Ray Comfort: In fiction.
• 38:00
  Ray Comfort: Oh, there's an incentive to lie about stuff like this.
• 38:03
  Ray Comfort: I mean a good incentive for the world, and so I.
• 38:07
  Ray Comfort: I carry a Lot of skepticism when it comes to any alien.
• 38:12
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, I mean I, I think, mark, you got a good point on the demonic Realm and I think that's easily overlooked.
• 38:19
  Emeal Zwayne: You know as well, and and people write that off, you know.
• 38:23
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean, look, we hear about within Catholicism all these apparitions, I mean these miraculous things happening, and look I know I'm going to offend a lot of people here, but I hope you know I say it very respectfully, but truthfully I think anything that distracts from Christ, especially within the religious realm, could very well be demonic.
• 38:43
  Emeal Zwayne: Amen, you agree, guys?
• 38:45
  Emeal Zwayne: No, I do.
• 38:46
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, I think I 100% agree with that, and I think that there's a lot of we're kind of jumping around in that article, kind of like leapfrogs a few questions that I would have in regards to this subject, which is like one what do we mean by extraterrestrial life?
• 39:00
  Oscar Navarro: Are we talking about bacteria or intelligent?
• 39:02
  Oscar Navarro: And it also presupposes that if there is intelligent life, then that life must be created in the image of God, which I don't think that we should presuppose that If we met intelligent life from other planets I'm not saying that there is, but I'm just saying if I, if I did, it wouldn't rock my faith and I wouldn't assume that they're created in the image of God, in the same way that I don't assume that any other creature is created in the image of God.
• 39:24
  Oscar Navarro: And so I don't.
• 39:26
  Oscar Navarro: I think that it leapfrogs a few areas that we have to really flesh out into this.
• 39:30
  Oscar Navarro: But then there's another subject entirely, which you guys have alluded to, which is the idea that people have some sort of contact with aliens, that they've been abducted, they've witnessed and seen.
• 39:39
  Oscar Navarro: And yeah, I mean I fully agree with you.
• 39:40
  Oscar Navarro: I think in that context, under that heading nah, I don't, I don't, I don't, I've never heard of a story, I've never seen evidence that would compel me to believe that aliens have an interest in some middle-aged dude sitting in his home, that they want to observe him, probe him, take him up to their space station and have a conversation with them.
• 40:03
  Oscar Navarro: Like that makes absolutely zero sense to me and I think it's delusions of grandeur, I think it's demonic, I think it's, you know, mental health issues potentially, I don't know.
• 40:13
  Oscar Navarro: But I'm confident to say that those accounts are not accurate.
• 40:17
  Oscar Navarro: It counts yeah.
• 40:18
  Emeal Zwayne: Mark, do you think some have also said another possibility is it's government conspiracy.
• 40:25
  Emeal Zwayne: In other words, you know, the government has been kind of preparing us for some sort of catastrophe.
• 40:32
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh, the aliens are coming.
• 40:34
  Ray Comfort: Well, the aliens have been laying in right across the board of the news.
• 40:38
  Emeal Zwayne: I'm sitting right here, right, yeah, right, but you know what I mean.
• 40:41
  Emeal Zwayne: Like in order to usurp more power, like you know, to bring out of what many have said, you know, order out of chaos, and now we need to band together, but we need controls and we need you know where they usurp more authority over people.
• 40:53
  Mark Spence: Yeah, I think that's very possible.
• 40:54
  Mark Spence: You know it's all a conspiracy until it's proven true.
• 40:56
  Mark Spence: You know there's a lot of things that are kind of happening out there that are unexplainable.
• 41:01
  Mark Spence: You know, is our government behind?
• 41:03
  Mark Spence: Is our government behind that atrocious act, or that?
• 41:05
  Mark Spence: I think that happened within our history, I don't know.
• 41:08
  Mark Spence: But the beautiful thing that we do have is we know that God is ultimately in control of all things.
• 41:13
  Mark Spence: Yeah, we have to remember that we are aliens.
• 41:16
  Mark Spence: Right, we are foreigners in a foreign land that are just kind of passing through, homesick for a home we've never been to.
• 41:21
  Mark Spence: We don't fit in, we do not belong here.
• 41:25
  Mark Spence: Yeah, oscar, there was some time ago where you quoted CS Lewis concerning about if we don't fit in, the only natural explanation is that we were built for another place.
• 41:36
  Oscar Navarro: Made for another home.
• 41:37
  Mark Spence: Yeah, and that's the case, right.
• 41:39
  Mark Spence: There's nothing a Christian can do to fill at home here on earth.
• 41:46
  Mark Spence: Yeah, and so it is.
• 41:47
  Mark Spence: If we have that mindset that we are just passing through, then we will utilize the resources that God has given us for the purpose for which he's given them to us, which is to bring Him glory, and it'll be ultimately for our good.
• 42:01
  Mark Spence: So, are there aliens in outer space?
• 42:02
  Mark Spence: I don't know, but there are aliens on earth and that's the Christian, and let's tell everybody about Christ as quickly as we possibly can.
• 42:11
  Mark Spence: Amen.
• 42:12
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, Ray, I mean, ultimately it's this kind of stuff that can distract Christians from preaching the gospel True.
• 42:19
  Emeal Zwayne: Don't you think Like they get so caught up in it, they're watching every news item, they're researching and it's like, okay, well, whatever.
• 42:27
  Emeal Zwayne: Again, I don't believe there are aliens.
• 42:30
  Emeal Zwayne: I believe you know I've fallen in line with the article, but okay, what if there was?
• 42:36
  Emeal Zwayne: What's that change anything about what God has said about our plan and the need for redemption?
• 42:41
  Ray Comfort: I asked a guy the other day who had all these theories and he didn't believe the Bible and he twisted some Bible verses.
• 42:47
  Ray Comfort: He had an incredible imagination.
• 42:49
  Ray Comfort: So I just said to him if you be watching the History Channel and the Discovery Channel?
• 42:52
  Ray Comfort: He says yeah, I do it all the time.
• 42:54
  Oscar Navarro: And that's where he's getting it from.
• 42:55
  Ray Comfort: It's just the imaginations of men tapping into an area that they know that's going to get believed by the simple.
• 43:03
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, wow, it's so good, and so we have to stay focused.
• 43:06
  Emeal Zwayne: Friends, eternity is coming, souls are lost.
• 43:09
  Emeal Zwayne: We are ambassadors for Christ.
• 43:12
  Emeal Zwayne: Right, we're not of this world, we are aliens as Christians, and that we've been born again and will belong to another kingdom.
• 43:19
  Ray Comfort: The Bible uses that word too, doesn't it?
• 43:21
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, the word aliens.
• 43:21
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, exactly, hebrews talks about how we're aliens.
• 43:24
  Emeal Zwayne: And so, friends, keep that focus and look.
• 43:28
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, the entire universe and its massive expanse is enough to exist for the purpose of glorifying God, to show how massive he is, that he spans the universe with his hand, that heaven and the heaven of heavens can't contain him.
• 43:44
  Emeal Zwayne: Listen to Psalm 19, 1-4 as we end on worship.
• 43:48
  Emeal Zwayne: The heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament shows his handiwork.
• 43:53
  Emeal Zwayne: Day under day utter speech and night under night reveals knowledge.
• 43:55
  Emeal Zwayne: There is no speech nor language where their voice is not heard.
• 43:58
  Emeal Zwayne: Their line has gone out through all the earth and their words to the ends of the world.
• 44:03
  Emeal Zwayne: Psalm 147, 4-5,.
• 44:06
  Emeal Zwayne: He counts the numbers of the stars.
• 44:07
  Emeal Zwayne: He calls them all by name.
• 44:08
  Emeal Zwayne: Great is our Lord and mighty in power.
• 44:11
  Emeal Zwayne: His understanding is infinite.
• 44:13
  Emeal Zwayne: Psalm 148, 3-6,.
• 44:15
  Emeal Zwayne: Praise him, son and Moon.
• 44:17
  Emeal Zwayne: Praise him all you stars of light.
• 44:18
  Emeal Zwayne: Praise him, you heavens of heavens, and you waters above the heavens.
• 44:21
  Emeal Zwayne: Let them praise the name of the Lord, for he commanded and they were created.
• 44:25
  Emeal Zwayne: He also established them forever and ever.
• 44:27
  Emeal Zwayne: He made a decree which shall not pass away.
• 44:30
  Emeal Zwayne: Isaiah 40, 26,.
• 44:32
  Emeal Zwayne: Lift up your eyes on high and see who created these, he who brings out their host by number, calling them all by name.
• 44:39
  Emeal Zwayne: By the greatness of his might and because he is strong in power, not one is missing.
• 44:44
  Emeal Zwayne: And finally, job 9, 7 and 9,.
• 44:47
  Emeal Zwayne: He commands the sun and it does not rise.
• 44:48
  Emeal Zwayne: He seals off the stars.
• 44:49
  Emeal Zwayne: He alone spreads out the heavens and treads on the waves of the sea.
• 44:54
  Emeal Zwayne: He made the bear, orion and ladies and the chambers of the south so good.
• 45:00
  Oscar Navarro: So I wanted to end on that friends, worship him.
• 45:04
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, forget the blob and preach the gospel, amen.
• 45:06
  Emeal Zwayne: Worship him in deed and truth and make him known for the glory of his great name.
• 45:13
  Emeal Zwayne: Well, there you have it, friends.
• 45:15
  Emeal Zwayne: Thank you so much for joining us today.
• 45:17
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