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Duke’s Mayo Drama, JFK Files & The Pen War You Didn’t Expect · Tigs Bits Podcast

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If you change the formula mayonnaise, there will be
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complete and utter outrage all across the South.
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Welcome everybody, welcome where the madness never sleeps.
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Ladies and gentlemen, what's going on?
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Tigs wigs? Buckle up.
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Southern brands like Duke's Mayo cashing out crazy.
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Some fresh JFK file bombshells that Grok has uncovered a little
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bit today we're going to talk about some of that.
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We got that started the other night.
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We're going to continue a little bit with it.
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And a pen debate that's so fierce it's going to leave ink
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on the walls. Yeah.
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So we're going to dive into the chaos, the culture, and a little
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bit of everything in between. So let's get rolling.
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LLC. Let's hit on a little bit of
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news. I saw this, I think this
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morning. Everything's just kind of a blur
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for me right now. But Duke's Mayo, it's kind of
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funny 'cause just the other day, it wasn't that long ago that I
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put a couple weeks ago that I made a little poll on social
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media picture of Duke's Mayo, picture of blue plate, 'cause
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that's a the preferred Mayo in the state of Louisiana.
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And, and put that out there to see what people thought.
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Like, what's your favorite mayonnaise out there?
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And I was surprised, honestly, going into it, even though I
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know we have a large contingent of Louisiana folks that follow
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the show, I was really thinking that Dukes would run away with
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it. I thought it'd be like 7030,
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something like that, just because of the popularity of
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Dukes over the last handful of years.
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And that bowl game is certainly certainly not hurt their calls
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at all and getting, you know, getting their, their brand out
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there. So honestly, I'd never really
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heard of Duke's Mayonnaise until 5 or 6 years ago whenever they,
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you know, started really pumping the brand.
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But they were bought. They were bought.
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They were, they sold to a group in Boston, Advent International.
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The terms were not disclosed. That always makes everybody a
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little bit nervous. Now, it's not the first time
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that Duke's mayonnaise had been sold to someone, but you know,
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it's still a little concerning. One of the things that comes to
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mind for me is, and I had them today with a sandwich, zaps,
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potato chips. I don't know if some of you guys
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have have ever had zaps, but they're like a kettle, kettle
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cooked chip crispy, you know, just a, a kettle kind of chip
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with all the yummy Louisiana spices on them.
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They have different, you know, of course they have different
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flavors. Well, they sold, I think it was
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2011, they sold to Utz in Pennsylvania and they kept a
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regional deal here. I think we've talked about this
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on the show. They kept a regional deal here
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in Louisiana. One of the original plant was
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still one but once COVID hit I'm pretty sure it was either COVID
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or a hurricane that took it out. They don't make zaps in
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Louisiana anymore. It's still Louisiana.
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It's labeled as a Louisiana deal but zaps is not made in
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Louisiana now. I can't tell a difference in the
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the way they taste at this point still.
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Thank God they they still taste like zaps but I can tell you one
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thing the bags aren't as full. It's a lot more air and that bag
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than it used to be, especially, I mean, just just 10 years ago
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back with a guess, it's once Utz took over, I'd say five years
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ago, once they they got out of Louisiana, we got the rest of
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what America got, which kind of sucks to be honest with you.
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So I'm it's mayonnaise. I mean, if you change the
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formula mayonnaise, there will be complete and utter outrage
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all across the South zeroed out. So I'm hoping that doesn't
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happen with Dukes. I am a little bit concerned that
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that could happen. So I started thinking, what are
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some other Southern brands out there that sold to some Northern
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and not, this is not a N versus South kind of deal, but I think
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it does make, I think it is a, it's noteworthy with the culture
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that is in the South versus the culture that's in the North.
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They that that is different vibes.
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If you want to just go there, it's just different vibes and
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people in the South aren't going to be too happy about it.
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But this has happened before. Bojangles.
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It's a North Carolina based fried chicken and biscuit chain.
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Heard of it? Pretty sure I've eaten at 1:00
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somewhere, but not as familiar with it as I am with with other
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things that are out there. But I'm sure a bunch of you guys
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are. So that's one that that's one
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that got sold out. So that kind of, you know, you
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got to worry about them. Crystal Burger, Crystal burger.
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They were founded in Chattanooga, TN and and some of
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the best crystal burgers that I've ever had are around there.
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They don't have any around here and they never really have.
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But Crystal back in the day, 1520 years ago, loved them.
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I don't know if there's still any good or not, but they, they,
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they sold to a New York, a New York firm in 2020.
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Piggly Wiggly. I don't know if you guys are
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super familiar with them. They're still a Piggly Wiggly
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here in Baton Rouge. They were everywhere in the
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South. They they were a Tennessee
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grocer. Gross grocer.
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Yeah, that's what they called. I've been talking so much today,
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y'all, Hey, I'm doing good, I'm doing good.
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But Piggly Wiggly, they sold in the early 2000s to a New
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Hampshire based company called C&S Wholesale Grocers and then
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saw your brands, that's who bought Duke prior to all of this
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in 2019. So, you know, you just gotta
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hope for the case of Duke's and all that, that they don't lose
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their identity. I doubt they will, honestly.
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I think this is probably just making a little bit of something
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out of nothing, but it's still a little bit concerning something
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else. Speaking of controversy, you
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know, this came up this morning. So I've been, I'm on the road,
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I'm working, selling insurance, having conversations with folks.
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And somehow or another this just hit me because we started
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talking about it as I had one of these pins and they made a
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comment, that's a nice pen. Don't you like that pen?
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And I went, Oh yeah, I love this pen.
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It's the best writing pen that there is.
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And they're cheap. This is the old Pilot G2.
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This is a 10. This is a 10.
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I was using this one though. I was using the seven, the
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seven. And then thus thus this
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conversation happened. So, so we start talking a little
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bit and she said, she said, oh, there's a big difference in that
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7 and that 10. And I went really OK 'cause I've
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never compared the two side by side.
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So let's do it, let's do it now. And then talk a little bit about
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this 'cause it made me come up with some stuff.
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And I got a feeling this really only effects people over the age
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of, I'd say 30 before anything under 30.
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You probably don't write as much as all of us over 30, so it's
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ages ourselves a little bit, but I know my demo all right, so I'm
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just going to write Tigs. Just going simply write Tigs and
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this is with the pilot G207A finer tip.
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So Tigs TIGSI do believe. And there you see nice sharp
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flat all that not bleeding, not too punchy, just nice, nice.
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It was smooth to write on, you know, and then you take the 10,
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little bolder, you know, you really want to get out there.
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It's better for signatures, stuff like that.
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Tigs much darker, little fatter, as you can see.
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You know, I don't know which one I'm just scribbling.
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It feels so smooth right in with the 10.
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And the lady that I was talking to, she was a proponent for the
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10. She preferred the 10.
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I still think that I prefer the seven 7's just a little bit
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thinner. I think it's better for most
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applications. I can't believe we're having
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this conversation, but we are the seven I think is better for
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all applications. So let's do a little bit of
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digging. This got me started because I
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had no idea they were honestly, I mean, I did.
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I've had a Mont Blanc. I won one of those things at one
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point in time. I sold it.
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I ain't gonna lie. I'm like, I don't need a $300.00
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pin or whatever it is. I never going to use that thing.
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So I sold it, but I the pilots have always been good, but I
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never really realized there were all these Dang options.
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So here's the biggest differences in the seven and the
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10. What it is is the sevens like
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.7mm and the 10 is 1.0mm so it's 1mm but they go down I believe
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to like .5 and .38. So it's just the, the finer, the
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finer the tip, you know, the the better it's going to write, I
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guess. So did a little trivia with that
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stuff. And the G2 is marketed as
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America's number one selling gel pen.
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So I don't know, is that just marketing?
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Do you guys use something a little bit different?
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I mean they do have a large range like I mentioned.
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So what do y'all think? Do y'all have any particular
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pens that you like to use? Mike says that he's he's loving
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this. Yeah.
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Yeah, it. I don't know if it's the pen
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conversation or the Winn Dixie's, but yeah, we're all
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over the place tonight. No structure.
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You're just getting raw Tiggy's brain and what's been on my on
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my mind. But pens are out there.
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There you go, Haley. Sweet Haley.
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I know she loves some pens. I know she does.
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I had this conversation with Riley today, too, and he didn't
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seem as interested, but I'm so proud of Haley.
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I don't know if I've ever really mentioned this on the show.
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My sweet daughter is in her junior year at LSU and she's
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student teaching and I've been enrolling.
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These folks that I've been talking to are teachers.
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So teachers and pins, they know what's up.
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They know what they're talking about.
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Yeah, Haley says that the 1mm thicker.
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It really depends on your penmanship though.
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I write hard like I push down hard like I do.
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I don't do anything light in life at all.
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So the bold for me is probably a little too much.
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It's going to run a little bit. I think that's why I've always
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liked the 7:00. I could probably even get away
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with the five, honestly. Some of the top selling pins out
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there. Of course, you've got the Pilot
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Precise V5, so that one's going to be a little bit more.
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There's the Pintail inner gel RTX.
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That's a .7. The Uniball jet stream, of
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course, I think is the, is the Creme de la Creme.
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I heard whenever I was talking about that today, they were
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like, well, you better be bringing up the Uniball if we're
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going to be talking about pens, Like, OK, we'll bring up the
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Uniball. It is number one on the list.
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So yeah, crazy. Who knows?
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Who knew that pens would be so interesting, and hell, maybe
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they're not, but I think they are.
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I asked Crock the other night. It said that it did not have
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enough time to go through all 8080 thousand pages of
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everything, but it had gone through about 70 or so, which I
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found to be BS to begin with. Like you went through 70,000 but
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you didn't get the last. So anyhow, asked again today,
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have you gone through it? I'm just going to kind of read
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some of these talking points that it gave me because I mean,
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I read all of it and went deep into it and I just said give me
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some talking points for the show for this because it's too much.
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I don't want to spend 30 minutes on it.
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We will talk more about this. I think more things need to
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develop from it over time. AI is not going to solve every
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single thing and connect every single dot that happened on
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that. But some big things to note so
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far. Oswald's trip to Mexico City was
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a huge communication breakdown. And maybe that's some of the
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stuff that they never wanted to get out.
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All of this, it still points to the long shooter of of Lee
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Harvey Oswald. We all know that is probably not
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the way it happened now. I don't, I, I think he was
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involved. I do believe that he was
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involved somehow. Maybe if he was set up that's
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possible, some of that stuff, but I don't know man.
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I don't know. They had tracked him.
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So what's new? There was a trip to Mexico City.
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The CIA had tracked Oswald meeting AK GB linked Soviet
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official in September of 1963, but they did not fully alert the
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FBI until weeks later, leaving gaps in surveillance.
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And you gotta remember, this is in the 60s.
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They didn't have computers and stuff.
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It wasn't as fast as it is these days.
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But still, that's a a large enough period of time.
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Those guys are moving fast enough, you know?
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So why does that matter? It shows how agency silos let
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Oswald, Oswald slip through the cracks, which happened.
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And there's a pretty notable quote from ACIA memo in there
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that we underestimated the operational significance of the
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contact. You think?
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Do you think so? I mean, the CIA had Oswald on
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tape with Soviet agent and they did not bring that information
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to the FBI. They did not ring that bell loud
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enough or soon enough. That's a problem.
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That's a problem talking point #2 the pre assassination
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warnings, the drop signals the FBI had a tip about Oswald
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asking for rifles days before the assassination.
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The CIA intercepted a vague American with plans call.
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Neither shared, neither one of them shared, and neither one
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acted fast. So there was some talk coming in
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the American with plans apparently came from the
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Soviets. From what I, I, I read, Duh.
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You know, like none of this is really that shocking.
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It's just interesting that it's all kind of being covered up and
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swept under the rug. Why does that matter really?
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That it highlights a, a lack of real time coordination that
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might have flagged Oswald's threat level?
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A big notable quote, FBI inertia prevented escalation of domestic
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leads. That's from the CIA.
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So they're just both. They're pointing fingers.
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They're pointing fingers. And after November of 1963, the
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CIA blamed the FBI for not following up domestically, while
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the FBI accused the CIA of hoarding Intel.
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And why does that matter? Well, that little rift kind of
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has what's fueled all these conspiracy theories.
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It's more than just egos and it's more than just a cover up
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is kind of the the thing that you got to take away from that.
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In fact, J Edgar Hoover said this in a January 1964 memo.
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The CI as games cost us. That's crazy.
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The CI as games cost us. Of course, Hoover was fuming and
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scribbling that the CI as secrecy pretty much screwed them
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up. But I mean, that's straight from
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the files. It's he said it.
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So I mean, a lot of finger pointing, a lot of finger
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pointing going on these turf wars over Castro.
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The CIA shielded Mexico City to protect anti Castro OPS while
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the FBI fixated on domestic communism clashing over who
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owned Oswald. And why does that matter?
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There's ties that ties the friction to bigger stakes,
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showing just how global games muddied the domestic picture.
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Just a lot of noise going on everywhere in the world at that
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point in time. I guess if you're an
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intelligence agency and this is post World War Two, you're
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listening to a lot of stuff. Everybody's coming for America.
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I mean, the the Cold War, all those, the Bay of Pigs, all that
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stuff that happened prior to November of 1963, it's all going
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on. A notable quote from from that
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is we shielded some data to preserve resource or to preserve
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sources. That is direct from the CIA
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retrospective in 1967. So the CIA was playing chess
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with Castro, keeping secrets even from the FBI, and Oswald
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kind of just got lost in the shuffle.
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So I mean, the biggest thing that you could say that comes
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from it and there's one more thing, but the biggest thing
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from all of that dysfunction, not really conspiracy, though I
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think there is one, but based off of that, completely inept
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and dysfunctional. The FBI is not talking to the
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CIA and vice versa. They have all of the the line of
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stuff. They have this guy's on the
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radar, all of that. They do nothing with it.
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And what happens, how convenient that they did nothing with it.
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Yet they were following them, both of them, and did nothing.
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Seems like something that happened this summer a little
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bit. It's kind of interesting.
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It's kind of interesting. But then the one thing, there's
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one thing that we didn't talk about and the one thing I want
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to know about is, is there anything said about the grassy
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Knoll? I mean, of all of the places,
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everything that all of that, like the grassy Knoll is always
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what looked like where something could have happened.
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And so there is, there's a little bit.
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There's some eyewitness chaos that took place over there and,
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and November 21st of 1963, an FBI report in the file sites
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that there's a Dallas witness named Gene Hill who swore she
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saw a puff of smoke from the grassy Knoll right before the
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fatal shot alongside a man fleeing.
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And then there's another witness, SM Holland.
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He told the FBI he heard a crack from the from the Knoll distinct
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from the depository shots. So that's interesting those
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those accounts clash with what the Warrens Commission's long
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gunman line is, you know, and the files show that the FBI
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didn't chase them hard, fueling speculation that the CIA knew a
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lot more than they did. They did, but Gene Hill, I saw
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smoke and a figure running right there on that hill.
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That's from an FBI interview on November 21st, 1963.
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Then there's the Noel Rush. A Dallas Police Department log
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from 12:31 on November 22nd notes officers converging on
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Grassy Knoll after witnesses pointed there.
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A Secret Services agents memo, unredacted now says they
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initially thought shots came from the right front, the
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Knowles direction. Why does that matter?
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Well, the immediate reaction suggests that the scene wasn't
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locked on Oswald's perch. The files hint that the CI is
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silence on Mexico City Intel left everyone grasping for
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straws, which it did. And there's a Secret Service
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memo. It's been uncovered.
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Agents believe gunfire originated from an automatic
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weapon on the grassy Knoll. Hello.
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Hello. So, I mean, grassy Knoll stuff's
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not gone. I think they've done a good job
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of burying it to where they just never followed up on it.
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It's like they kind of moved away from probably where it
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happened or at least one of those shots, one of those shots.
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And then the mob whisper, of course, that's been one of the
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biggest things in all of this is the mop always been talked about
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New Orleans and the rifle and the mob and all of that stuff.
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Well, that's always going to be go going on.
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Roselli is the the mob boss back then and in 1964 CIA informant
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reported ties to Johnny Roselli to a grassy Knoll asset that was
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cleaned up post hit pretty vague, but somebody got cleaned
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up and there's Roselli bragged about a Knoll job that loose
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ends were tied. So there's, but you know, I've
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also heard things too with him that of course he was just being
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braggadocious. That was in his character and
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all of that stuff. He he wasn't, he knew he wasn't.
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He just wanted to talk a bunch of crap and a bunch of noise.
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But anyhow, that's what's that's the latest from Grok on that.
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At the end of the day, the CIA and FBI didn't talk.
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There's still things out there and I don't know if we've gotten
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anything answered. If anything, I think it's made
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this maybe a little more interesting, Mike says.
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I feel like this is a top notch boomer conversation.
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We talked about pens, we talked about JFK tonight.
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We talked about Duke's Mayo. You nailed it.
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Stay safe out there this weekend.
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