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New CDC childhood vaccine guidance raises questions · Austin Signal

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The CDC reduced earlier this
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month the number of usually
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recommended vaccines for children.
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Now that change has flummoxed some
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parents and pediatricians in the
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area. We're going to hear some of
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the questions that they have been
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asking.
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And it's been more than six months
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since deadly flooding killed more
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than 130 people across the Austin
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area and the Texas Hill country.
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And recovery is still a long ways
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down the road.
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An update from some of folks still
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working through that process that's
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coming up in today's show.
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The Austin Signal is a production
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of KUT News, hosted by
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Jerry Quijano.
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Plus, the ATX Free Fridge project
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has been filling in the gaps of food
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access across the Austin area for
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more than half a decade, but the
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project itself could use a little
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love and help these days.
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That story and a whole lot more
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coming your way, that is on today's
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Austin Signal.
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Howdy out there, this is
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Austin Signal.
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Thank you for making us part of your
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day. It is Wednesday, January 13th.
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I'm your host, Jerry Quijano.
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Let's get into today's
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show.
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Changes in the Centers for Disease
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Control and Prevention's new vaccine
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recommendations are causing
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questions among some parents and
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raising eyebrows among
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pediatricians.
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So what is going on and how are
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folks around here feeling about it?
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Well, to answer some of those
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questions, we are talking with KUT's
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healthcare reporter.
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Olivia Aldridge.
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Olivia, thanks for joining us.
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Hi, I'm glad to be here.
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So for folks who might not
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be familiar with the change, what
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specifically did the CDC alter
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here?
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Yeah, the CDC announced a pretty big
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overhaul of its recommended vaccine
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schedule.
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So previously, that schedule
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basically included 17 vaccines
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plus an antibody treatment for RSV
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recommended for all kids at
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various ages in their life.
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Now there are only 11 vaccines
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recommended for kids.
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And those other six
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were kind of moved into different
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categories.
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So, now they're recommended either
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for kids at especially high risk
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of severe disease or for patients
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who have gone through what's called
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a shared clinical decision-making
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process with their doctor.
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So, essentially, that's just parents
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chatting with the kid's pediatrician
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and deciding whether to give them
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that vaccine.
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The shots affected here that
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are moved into those other
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categories are that RSV
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treatment And I mentioned hepatitis
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A and B, meningitis.
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COVID-19, the flu shot,
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and then rotavirus, which is a
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common infection that causes
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vomiting and diarrhea.
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And I want to add that this
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isn't a requirement.
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It's actually states that make
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requirements about shots that kids
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need for school.
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But many of these state laws
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reference the CDC guidelines.
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And those guidelines are also just
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an important resource for public
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health departments, health care
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professionals, and then the general
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public.
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Okay, well, our listeners are
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certainly going to be concerned
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about how Texans and Austinites
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could be affected.
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What has been the general reaction
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to this recommended change among
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pediatricians that you've spoken
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with?
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There has been some confusion, I'd
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say, around like, why these
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vaccines?
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Because it's not the case that there
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was some new study that shed doubt
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on any of these specific shots.
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The science is the same.
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So one pediatrician that I spoke
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to is now sticking to the vaccine
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schedule endorsed by the American
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Academy of Pediatrics, which
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aligns with that previous CDC
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schedule with the 17 shots.
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That's common.
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It's also true in some cases at the
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organizational level.
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So like Austin regional clinic
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pediatrics Texas children's
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are basing recommendations on that
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American Academy of Pediatrics
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guidance
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Okay, so now let's talk about the
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parental side of it.
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How have parents been reacting to
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this news?
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Yeah.
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Um, I think there's a lot of
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confusion.
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So, you know, one
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pediatrician that I talked to, um,
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said that she immediately started to
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get questions from parents that were
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like, what is this all about?
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Um, just generally a lot confusion
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about what information can
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I trust that's not totally
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new. So this pediatrician,
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Dr. Marjan Linel, um.
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Even before this, she was getting a
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lot more questions, running into a
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lot More skepticism, you.
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Remember, the country's top health
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official, Robert F.
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Kennedy Jr.
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Is a pretty prominent anti-vaccine
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activist, and there's a lot of
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misinformation floating around on
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social media.
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So in Texas, parents do have some
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choice.
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So the state has vaccine
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requirements for kids entering
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school, but it's possible to seek an
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exemption. So she really tries to
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meet parents' concerns with
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care and give
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them the best information she can so
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that they can make an informed
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choice. She often sends folks.
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To some online resources from the
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Children's Hospital of Pennsylvania,
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which have some really detailed
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information about what's safe.
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OK, lastly, along those lines,
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we have about 30 seconds left.
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I know right now sickness is on
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a lot of people's minds, flu, what
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have you. What is the flu vaccine
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recommendation?
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And is that affected in any of this
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that's going on?
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It is affected for
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for kids. The CDC isn't officially
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recommending it for all kids anymore
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But right now during this very
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active flu season a lot of public
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health leaders are urging people
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young and old to get it It
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can help prevent those really
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serious flu cases that can put
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people in the hospital
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All right, we have been speaking
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with KUT's healthcare reporter,
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Olivia Aldridge.
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You can find more of her reporting
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on this story and others at
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KUT.org, and we're
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going to have it in our show notes
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for today's show.
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Olivia, thanks for coming on the
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show.
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This is Austin Signal.
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Thank you for being with us.
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It's been six months since
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catastrophic flooding tore through
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the Texas Hill Country, killing more
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than 130 people.
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As the Texas newsroom's Lucio
6:08
Vasquez reports, recovery is
6:10
still far from complete.
6:13
It was just after midnight on July
6:15
4th, Joe Herrera said the
6:17
rain sounded normal at first.
6:19
Then it didn't stop.
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Herrera, who has Parkinson's
6:23
disease, lives with his wife near
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the Guadalupe River in Kerr County,
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Texas.
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As the rain intensified, the river
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began to rise.
6:30
The water was all the way into the
6:32
garage, pretty deep already,
6:35
within minutes.
6:35
As it kept rising, a neighbor came
6:37
to check on them, tied a rope around
6:39
Herrera and helped pull him to
6:41
safety. They survived, but their
6:43
home was badly damaged.
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Their car was destroyed.
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Still, Herrera says he's happy to be
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alive. He says he was back in his
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home two months later.
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Hundreds of other people weren't so
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lucky.
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Every day, I pray to God, thank you
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for what I have.
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In a matter of hours, the river rose
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up to 37 feet.
7:00
The region is expected to lose up to
7:02
$22 billion in damage
7:04
and economic losses.
7:06
Recovery is far from complete,
7:07
but daily life has largely resumed.
7:11
Shops are open, restaurants are
7:13
busy, traffic moves steadily
7:15
along bridges that were once
7:16
underwater.
7:17
The Guadalupe River is quiet now.
7:20
But walk closer to the river and
7:22
the gaps appear.
7:23
Empty lots where homes once
7:25
stood. Fresh dirt where foundations
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were washed away.
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The beauty and the calmness
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of that river.
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And to see the damage that it's done
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is really hard for people to
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understand. And that's gonna take
7:36
years to get over.
7:37
Louis Amastoy is a resident and
7:39
journalist who's been covering the
7:41
flood for the Kerr County lead, a
7:42
local online news source.
7:44
He says the landscape tells only
7:46
part of the story.
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These are people that have lived
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here their entire lives, you know,
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this is a pretty close-knit
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community.
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The flood was one of the deadliest
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natural disasters in Texas history.
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At least two people, including an
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eight-year-old girl, remain missing.
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And as the water receded, questions
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followed about whether people along
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the river were adequately warned and
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whether the risk was fully
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understood before the storm.
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There's a lot of questions to
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be answered.
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One of those questions centers on
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the accuracy of flood maps produced
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by the Federal Emergency Management
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Agency, an agency that has also
8:19
faced criticism for its response to
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the disaster.
8:22
Former acting FEMA Administrator
8:23
David Richardson was accused by
8:25
some state and federal lawmakers
8:27
of failing to show urgency as
8:29
the crisis unfolded.
8:30
He later defended the agency's
8:32
response during a congressional
8:34
hearing.
8:34
Texas got what they needed when
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they needed it.
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Richardson resigned in November.
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Also, some residents said emergency
8:42
alerts on their phones were
8:43
inconsistent or never arrived at
8:45
all. During a public hearing about
8:47
a month after the flood, the Kerr
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County officials responsible for
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sending those alerts said they were
8:52
either asleep or out of town as
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floodwaters began to rise.
8:56
But for some families, the last six
8:58
months have been about
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accountability.
9:00
Four separate lawsuits are now
9:02
moving through the courts, all
9:03
connected to Camp Mystic.
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An all-girl summer camp where 25
9:07
campers and two counselors were
9:09
killed.
9:10
The summer camp recently announced
9:11
plans to reopen later this year.
9:13
Kyle Finley represents families who
9:15
were suing Camp Mystic.
9:17
Have a child still missing.
9:19
And instead of focus being on that,
9:21
we're talking about trying to
9:24
open camp to gain additional
9:25
revenue.
9:26
Attorney Michael Watts says
9:28
investments made by Texas lawmakers
9:30
after the flood should prevent
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another tragedy from unfolding.
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There will never be a flood death in
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this river again because we'll
9:39
have a warning system that we need.
9:41
The state legislature approved
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nearly $300 million for
9:45
upgrades to flood warning equipment,
9:47
including new sirens along the
9:48
Guadalupe River.
9:50
Amistoy, who's been covering the
9:51
disaster in the same community he
9:53
calls home, says recovery is
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far from over.
9:56
We still have missing people.
9:57
And I think that's our community's
10:00
responsibilities to ensure that
10:02
they're not forgotten.
10:03
Amistoy says uncertainty still
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hangs over the Hill Country,
10:07
for survivors still rebuilding and
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families seeking answers.
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That was the Texas newsroom's
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Lucio Vasquez.
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You can find more from him
10:18
and the entire newsroom over
10:20
at KUT.org.
10:23
Thank you for spending part of your
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Tuesday afternoon here with
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us on Austin Signal.
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Coming up, the ATX Free Fridge
10:30
project has been in operation for
10:32
six years, but they could use some
10:34
help to keep the project moving
10:36
forward. We've got that.
10:38
And the new year means new
10:40
items available in the public
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domain. Come here.
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What's available?
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What can you mash up?
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That's coming up next right here
10:48
on Austin Signal.
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This is Austin Signal.
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For more than half a decade, the ATX
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Free Fridge Project has been helping
11:07
to fill the gaps in food access
11:08
across the Austin area.
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People in need can visit one of five
11:13
outdoor fridges to pick up free
11:14
food, no questions asked.
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But as KUT's Katy McAfee
11:19
reports, the project has recently
11:21
hit a bit of a rough patch.
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Within 10 sunny minutes on Tuesday
11:27
afternoon, seven people stopped by
11:29
a refrigerator on South 1st Street
11:31
and Ditmar Road to pick up free
11:33
food. The fridge is covered by
11:34
a wooden pergola with built-in
11:36
shelves for dry food and clothing
11:38
donations.
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There's also a bulletin board for
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folks to leave notes or sponsor
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community events.
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This is one of five fridges run by
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the ATX Free Fridge Project,
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which started during the pandemic to
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combat rising food insecurity rates.
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And it works sort of like a little
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library for food.
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Take what you need, leave what you
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can. No paperwork,
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no questions.
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The project has taken off since the
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pandemic.
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A few years ago, volunteers put door
12:03
sensors on the fridges and found
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they were opened, on average,
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300 times a day.
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Lannie Lee has been going to the
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Dittmar Fridge for years.
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He says this resource has been
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lifesaving, especially late last
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year, when a government shutdown
12:17
delayed federal food benefits.
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I remember not having any
12:21
food, not knowing what was going to
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happen, not knowing how I was going
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eat, and this place
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has taken care of a lot
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of people.
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But though these fridges are well
12:31
frequented, not all of them are
12:34
well cared for.
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Next to the cans of crushed tomatoes
12:37
and vegetable soup at the Ditmar
12:38
location is a pile of dirty,
12:40
wrinkled laundry.
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Trash is strewn about the area.
12:45
Lee says lately he doesn't want to
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open the fridge without gloves on.
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Everybody's touching everything in
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there. There's germs and there
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are some people that come and clean
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and help out. Lots of us do.
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We pick up the trash, but it's
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a never ending process
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to clean up and sanitize it.
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Stephanie Castleberry, one of the
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five volunteers heading the ATX Free
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Fridge Project, says the Dittmar
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fridge will close by the end of the
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month because keeping it clean has
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been impossible.
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A fridge on Second Street closed
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late last year for similar reasons.
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Try like we put out the calls to
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action we set up text chains to
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like tell people hey this is going
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on can you go clean it but it's just
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not enough you know we need everyone
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who's going to the fridges to just
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take that step take care of it
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because the second street was a huge
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loss Dipmar is going to be a huge
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loss for that neighborhood.
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There's a spreadsheet on the ATX
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Free Fridge website where community
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members can sign up to clean their
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local fridge, but almost all
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the spots are unfilled.
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You know, we're just five volunteers
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who like, we have day jobs,
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you know, we do this in our free
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time and like, um, we do our best
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to try to like, make sure the
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fridges are operational and
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everything like that.
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But like the people who are going
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to the fridge is regularly,
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we really need support from those
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full.
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Castleberry says, from the start,
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the Free Fridge Project has been
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rooted in, quote, anarchy.
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It's a way for community members to
14:04
help each other out when
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conventional welfare systems fail.
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A key component of the project is
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anonymity.
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On one hand, that might make it
14:12
easier for someone to get food when
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they need it.
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But less face-to-face interaction
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also makes it tough to ensure people
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are on same page about caring for
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the fridges.
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That's why we're trying to do more
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community meetings.
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And we started a Discord so
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that we can try to like connect with
14:26
more people, get people talking
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to one another.
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And you know, hey, that's
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not how you're supposed to donate
14:33
food. Like let's do this.
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Castleberry is hopeful the fridge
14:37
project will make it through this
14:38
rough patch.
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Volunteers have early plans to set
14:41
up three more fridges in Montopolis,
14:43
Franklin Park, and North Austin
14:44
neighborhoods this year.
14:46
And they aren't giving up on the
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Dittmar community.
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They're looking for a new place to
14:50
put a fridge nearby and give the
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South Austin neighborhood a fresh
14:53
start. I'm Katy McAfee in
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Austin.
15:01
Technology has made it easier than
15:03
ever for anyone out there to
15:05
reimagine a piece of music,
15:07
a book, even a movie.
15:09
And many artists battle to protect
15:11
their copyrighted work from the
15:13
algorithmic meat grinder
15:15
in the parlance of our time.
15:17
But as the new year begins, more
15:19
creative works are now fair game for
15:21
anyone, human or machine, to
15:23
chop up, mash up, or glow up
15:25
as they wish.
15:26
Texas Standard's Shelly
15:28
Brisbin takes a look.
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At what's newly free from copyright.
15:38
Like clockwork, each January 1st,
15:40
media historians, academics, and
15:42
creators eager to remix works of
15:44
art from the past celebrate Public
15:47
Domain Day.
15:48
On the first day of 2026,
15:50
works of artwork from 1930 along
15:52
with sound recordings from 1925
15:54
lost copyright protection.
15:56
Yes sir, that's my baby.
15:58
No sir, don't mean maybe.
16:00
Yes sir that's ma baby now.
16:04
That means that anyone is free to
16:05
adapt these works, from novels,
16:07
comics, musical compositions, and
16:09
films, in any way they like.
16:12
For me, this public domain day
16:14
marks a dividing line in time.
16:17
1930 is the year of my mother's
16:18
birth, so the way I imagine
16:20
the modern world has always begun
16:22
there, now 95 years
16:25
ago.
16:25
From my mother, I learned to love
16:27
film.
16:28
Sitting on the floor, watching old
16:30
movies she'd grown up with.
16:31
I became a passionate student of
16:33
film history, and I found that 1930
16:36
marks a bright line between early
16:38
clumsy examples of sound filmmaking
16:40
and the era when Hollywood studios
16:42
and directors began making sound
16:44
masterpieces at all-talking
16:46
epics.
16:47
Give me a whisky, ginger
16:49
in on the side,
16:52
and I'll be stingy, baby.
16:54
Greta Garbo first spoke on film in
16:57
1930.
16:58
The movie was Anna Christie, made
16:59
by MGM and frequent Garbo
17:01
director Clarence Brown.
17:03
Garbo Talks was the tagline.
17:06
And now creators are free to drop
17:07
her throaty Swedish accented voice
17:09
into their own creations.
17:12
Also in 1930, John Wayne
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donned his first spurs and cowboy
17:16
hat and the big trail.
17:17
Hello, Coleman.
17:19
Howdy, Walmart.
17:20
Changed my mind.
17:22
I'll scout for that bull train after
17:23
all.
17:24
Well, that's a rare sunshine.
17:26
Take hands before you change your
17:28
mind again.
17:29
Got a good wagon boss for the trip?
17:31
And the Marx brothers first cracked
17:32
wise on film in Animal Crackers.
17:35
Louis' Milestones All Quiet on the
17:37
Western Front was a new kind of
17:39
war film in 1930 that
17:41
centered the experiences of Germans
17:42
who fought in World War I.
17:44
It's still regarded as among the
17:46
most important anti-war films ever
17:48
made.
17:48
And I, too, look to you,
17:51
Paul Balmer.
17:52
I wonder what you are going to
17:54
do.
17:56
I want to go!
17:57
Me too!
17:59
I don't see that.
18:01
The Kaiser's got everything he
18:02
needs.
18:03
Well, he never had a war before.
18:05
Every full-grown emperor needs one
18:07
war to make them famous.
18:08
I'll tell you how it should be.
18:10
In a kind of copyright twofer,
18:12
a film called Cimarron and the book
18:14
it was based on are now both
18:16
in the public domain.
18:18
The movie won the 1931 Best
18:19
Picture Oscar, and the books is
18:21
by Edna Ferber, who would go on
18:23
to write the Texas epic, Giant.
18:26
It was called the Oklahoma Land
18:28
Rush.
18:29
We're going off to a brand new
18:31
two-fisted rip-storm country.
18:32
Full of Indians, random snakes, gun
18:34
porters, and death parados!
18:36
Whoopee!
18:38
And a pioneer family helps turn
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a wild frontier into a proud
18:42
state. Did you have to kill him like
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that? You know, I could have let
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him kill me.
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Richard Dix and Irene Dunn
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star in the only Western to ever
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win Best Picture.
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Timuron.
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William Faulkner's As I Lay Dying
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enters the public domain, and
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1930 was a great year for detective
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stories like Dashiell Hemmett's The
19:04
Maltese Falcon and the first
19:05
four Nancy Drew novels by Carolyn
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Keene.
19:08
For kids, there's A Little Engine
19:10
That Could, an illustrated edition
19:12
by Wadi Piper that has been popular
19:14
for generations.
19:16
And 1930 marked the first appearance
19:18
of the characters Dick and Jane
19:20
in Elson's Basic Reader.
19:23
Cartoons and animated characters
19:24
always attract remixers and
19:26
adapters, as happened when the first
19:28
Mickey Mouse cartoons became free
19:30
to use a few years ago.
19:32
This year, there are nine new Mickey
19:33
cartoons up for grabs, but
19:35
the big news is Betty Boop,
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the bubbly, high-voiced girlie who's
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already been reimagined across the
19:41
decades in advertising and fashion.
19:43
But now, the real thing, the
19:45
original from Fleischer Studios,
19:47
a more audacious version of Betty,
19:50
is free for all.
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But when I'm
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having my lobsters,
20:00
I have to have
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poop-poop-ba-doop-be-da-da.
20:03
Oh, oh, oh!
20:05
If you're a copyright lawyer, the
20:06
subject of music and public domain
20:08
day might just keep you in small
20:10
talk at any cocktail parties you
20:12
happen to attend.
20:13
But for the rest of us, music
20:15
copyright can get complicated.
20:17
Music published in 1930,
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the notes and lyrics, is now
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free to use.
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George and Ira Gershwin's I Got
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Rhythm and Embraceable You are
20:25
included, as is Hoagy Carmichael's
20:28
Georgia On My Mind.
20:29
But the famous Ray Charles version
20:31
of Georgia recorded much later,
20:33
and Ethel Merman's I Got Rhythm.
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Recorded in 1930, by the way,
20:37
are not.
20:38
Copyright law has a special
20:39
carve-out for sound recordings,
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giving them 100 years of protection
20:43
instead of the 95 for music
20:45
compositions and other works.
20:48
This year, that means St. Louis
20:49
Blues, recorded in 1925
20:51
by Bessie Smith and featuring Louis
20:53
Armstrong, enters the public domain,
20:56
along with civil rights pioneer
20:57
Marian Anderson's haunting version
20:59
of Nobody Knows the Trouble I've
21:02
Seen.
21:30
O'er
21:32
the land of
21:35
the free and the home of the
21:40
There's also Gene Austen's Yes Sir
21:42
That's My Baby and Fascinate in
21:44
Rhythm by Paul Whiteman and his
21:45
orchestra.
21:47
Whiteman, by the way, is the subject
21:49
of 1930s King of Jazz,
21:51
an inventive and sometimes surreal
21:53
film that also enters the public
21:55
domain this year.
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And if you're wondering, those
21:58
Whiteman songs within King of jazz
22:00
are copyright-free now because the
22:02
law says sound recordings that are
22:03
part of a film fall under the same
22:05
rules that the film itself does.
22:07
So feel free to work on your best
22:09
remix of Happy Feet.
22:11
For the Texas Standard, I'm Shelly
22:13
Brisbin.
22:24
And that is it for today's
22:26
show. Thank you to Olivia
22:28
Aldridge, Lucio Vasquez,
22:29
Katy McAfee, and Shelly Brisbin for
22:31
helping us cross the finish line
22:33
today. If you're listening on the
22:34
podcast, you can find more of their
22:36
reporting in the show notes for
22:38
todays episode.
22:39
And as always, you can all of our
22:41
work over at kut.org
22:43
slash signal.
22:45
Kristen Cabrera is the show's
22:47
managing producer, and Rayna Sevilla
22:49
is the Signals technical director.
22:51
I'm Jerry Quijano.
22:52
We'll be back with you tomorrow at
22:54
the same time.
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We will talk to you then.