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Gorgeous PHD student stalks ex-boyfriend, shoots him dead over breakup · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. How does your so called
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Speaker 1: love life land you behind bars? And how does a
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Speaker 1: gorgeous PhD candidate go from writing her dissertation to riding
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Speaker 1: at a pellet brief sitting on her bunk in a
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Speaker 1: jail cell. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Dix tells police
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Speaker 1: she doesn't remember how she got to DC. In fact,
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Speaker 1: doesn't even know how she got to Fourth Street here
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Speaker 1: in Southwest. But according to those court records, she arrived
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Speaker 1: to the apartment on Saturday by five thirty. Neighbors help police.
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Speaker 1: They heard gunshots and then a woman screaming, please wake up.
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Speaker 1: Someone helped me. So let me get this straight. She
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Speaker 1: doesn't know how she got to DC. She doesn't know
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Speaker 1: how she got to Fourth Street. She doesn't know how
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Speaker 1: she got to the apartment. Neighbors hear her at five
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Speaker 1: thirty screaming wake up, wake up, and low and behold.
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Speaker 1: She somehow managed, in her fugue state to end up
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Speaker 1: in the apartment of her lover with a gun. Now,
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Speaker 1: how did that happen? I guess she was blacked out
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Speaker 1: the whole way to DC again. I mean, I see, Grace,
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here. At crime Stories,
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Speaker 1: what a story to tell and trying to make sense
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Speaker 1: out of it is an all star panel. James Shelnut
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Speaker 1: seven years Metro major case and SWAT now lawyer at
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Speaker 1: Shelnut Lawfirm dot com, practicing in Louisiana, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Alabama, Texas, Georgia.
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Speaker 1: You name it. Doctor Gen Man, marriage a family therapist,
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Speaker 1: host of Couples Therapy on VH one, the Doctor Jen
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Speaker 1: Show series XM, and author of The Relationship Fix. Doctor
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Speaker 1: Gen six Step Guide to Improving communication connection in intimacy.
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Speaker 1: You can find a doctor gen dot com. And apparently
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Speaker 1: this woman, the PhD candidate did not have your book,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Jim to Also with US doctor Pria Bannerjee Board
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Speaker 1: Certified Forensic Pathologist Anchor Forensic Pathology dot com and Assistant
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Speaker 1: medical Examiner. Dan Korcentino, former police chief, former sheriff with
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Speaker 1: US Homeland Security Senior Advisory Board now PI Dan Korcentino
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Speaker 1: dot com joining US from Pueblo, Colorado. But first to you,
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Speaker 1: Alexe Tereshcha Crime online dot Com. Investigate every reporter, Alexa,
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Speaker 1: I don't get it. You've got this woman. She's in
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Speaker 1: the prime of her life. She's just barely in her thirties.
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Speaker 1: She's beautiful. I'm looking at one shot of her, and
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Speaker 1: she's so put together, you know, Alexis Terreschuk. This does
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Speaker 1: not look like a woman that's gonna go out like
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Speaker 1: I would in black tights, mismatched socks belonging to my
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Speaker 1: son Tennis, shoe's in a T shirt. I mean she
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Speaker 1: is matched to a t beautiful hair, perfect smile, just
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Speaker 1: the right amount of makeup to look glamorous yet natural,
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Speaker 1: and she looks very business like. I guess this is
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Speaker 1: her PhD picture. I'm talking about Nazinski Dix. She's the
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Speaker 1: one that blacked out and somehow found her way to Washington,
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Speaker 1: DC to her ex lovers apartment. Alexis, what do we know?
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Speaker 1: First of all, where did she live? She lived in Illinois.
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Speaker 1: But Illinois, you're right, it said that quite a long
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Speaker 1: trip to not remember any of it. Yes, and she
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Speaker 1: is as she's getting her PhD at the University of
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Speaker 1: Notre Dame for one of the hold on, hold on,
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Speaker 1: I want to figure out how far is it. Let's
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Speaker 1: just go from Notre Dame University to Washington, DC, because
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Speaker 1: I want to figure out, and then I'll circle back
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Speaker 1: with our m d, Doctor Prea Bannershee and doctor gen Man.
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Speaker 1: How long for Pete's sake? Can you stay blacked out?
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Speaker 1: And I don't believe she had a self driving Tessa,
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Speaker 1: how did she manage? How many hours? Five hundred and
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Speaker 1: twenty one miles totally blacked out? Okay, Alexis terres Chuck.
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Speaker 1: Was she coming from Notre Dame where she was getting
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Speaker 1: her PhD? Yeah? How PhD? Like? This is one of
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Speaker 1: the best schools in the country. She was very respected.
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Speaker 1: She was getting her PhD in gender study. She was
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Speaker 1: somebody that had mentored other students there. And then all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden and she shows up in Washington, DC.
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Speaker 1: Can't remember how she got there? Did she flie? Did
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Speaker 1: she drive? Hold on, you're cutting out on me. I'm
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Speaker 1: hearing a lot of moving around, and I blame you,
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Speaker 1: Alexis Toroschuck. So we're talking about a five hundred mile
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Speaker 1: drive from where she's getting her PhD at Notre Dame
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Speaker 1: to the lover's apartment. Excuse me, x Lower, How long
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Speaker 1: were they together, Alexis tres Chuck. They were only together
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Speaker 1: for three months. Okay, stop right there. You're gonna first
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Speaker 1: of all dry five hundred miles to see a man
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Speaker 1: you've only been with for three months. Oh n oh, no, second,
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Speaker 1: Why you're gonna commit a crime murder somebody after just
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Speaker 1: three months? I mean, doctor gen man. Three months is
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Speaker 1: not even enough time to know how they like their coffee,
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Speaker 1: much less decide to murder them. But it's just enough
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Speaker 1: time to create a fantasy of who that person is
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Speaker 1: and what your future is going to be. And if
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Speaker 1: you are deeply topological, it's enough time to get attached
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Speaker 1: and obsessed and become a stoker. Oh wait, I have
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Speaker 1: an idea strictly non medical or non psychological or psychiatric idea.
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Speaker 1: You know how when you're in a new relationship and
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Speaker 1: it's all new, bright and shiny and fun and wonderful. Well,
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Speaker 1: she's still in that phase when he broke up with her.
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Speaker 1: Well how long does that last? I can you remember anymore? Well,
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Speaker 1: it can last anywhere from six to eighteen months typically,
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Speaker 1: where your body is releasing the endorphins and the oxytocins
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Speaker 1: and all that stuff that makes you bond and you know,
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Speaker 1: all the serotonin that makes you feel heady and happy
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Speaker 1: and you know, like you're walking on air. So most likely,
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Speaker 1: given that we're talking three months in she was still there.
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Speaker 1: But also there's clearly a layer of pathology that there's
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Speaker 1: something wrong with this woman that she's become so obsessed
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Speaker 1: that she's now stalking. Now, doctor Jen, you're the therapist.
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Speaker 1: I'm expecting a little more from you. Then there's something
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Speaker 1: wrong with this woman. Okay. Now, granted I'm just a JD.
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Speaker 1: I don't know any of your lingo, but you gotta
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Speaker 1: give me a little bit more than there's something wrong
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Speaker 1: with her. I mean I already know that. Yeah. Look,
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Speaker 1: there are certain personalities that are more likely to stalk
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Speaker 1: when it comes to personality disorder. Someone who is who
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Speaker 1: is a borderline personality disorder, and that's a disorder where
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Speaker 1: people get they put you on a pedestal and then
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Speaker 1: they throw you down. They love you and then they
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Speaker 1: hate you. They get very attached and very focused on
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Speaker 1: this person. And I'm not saying that she's necessarily this
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Speaker 1: personality disorder. I haven't given her any kind of exam myself,
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Speaker 1: but what I will tell you is that people who
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Speaker 1: are like this, the key trigger is abandonment, and they
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Speaker 1: can become very very obsessive when someone abandons them. Once
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Speaker 1: they have attached. You know, James Shelnutt twenty seven years
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Speaker 1: met you a major case, now, lawyer. I was just
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Speaker 1: talking about when your relationship is new and it's all
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Speaker 1: bright and shiny and happy and wonderful and hetty. I
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Speaker 1: was a little flippant, James, And I'm coming to you
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Speaker 1: on this because I know you have five children. I
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Speaker 1: think with the same woman, is that correct? With one
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Speaker 1: two for my prior marriage, and then the rest from current.
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Speaker 1: So after you've been through with your wife three children
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Speaker 1: plus she's step mom and two others, back and forth,
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Speaker 1: with all the visitation in the this and the that,
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Speaker 1: that's what love is. I don't want to sound flippant
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Speaker 1: about real love because you know, James, you know my
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Speaker 1: mother or eighty nine years old, lives with us. Now. Now,
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Speaker 1: real love it's when my husband David, who should be
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Speaker 1: Saint David. He didn't agree for my mom to be
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Speaker 1: part of the deal, but she is right. He takes
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Speaker 1: care of her like she's his own mother. Now that's love,
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Speaker 1: right there? I agree or disagree? Oh? I agree? You know,
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Speaker 1: I mean love not to step into the therapist shoes,
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Speaker 1: but just from a merried perspective, you know, It's easy
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Speaker 1: to feel emotional love when you're in this new relationship,
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Speaker 1: but sometimes as relationship grows, you have to make the
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Speaker 1: decision to love your spouse, and the decision to take
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Speaker 1: control of your own happiness, and the decision to continue
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Speaker 1: to devote yourself to this relationship even when things are
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Speaker 1: not at their peak, even when they're not at their best. Okay,
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Speaker 1: watch out, doctor jen Man. You got a little competition here.
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Speaker 1: And you remember when you were in the hospital when
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Speaker 1: that collapsed. Along who's sitting out in the waiting room
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Speaker 1: just waiting your husband? Remember I do, And well I
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Speaker 1: wasn't there, but what I heard is it's the whole
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Speaker 1: waiting room gas. When my husband was sitting there by himself,
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Speaker 1: so sad and all alone, and you walked in to
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Speaker 1: comfort him, and then the doctors came out, and everybody
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Speaker 1: just watched how much you took care of him in
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Speaker 1: that scary timepra I mean, that's what love is. And
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Speaker 1: I was kind of being flippant about knee and shiny
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Speaker 1: and exciting in the first three months, but I mean
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Speaker 1: that obsessive feeling that she had apparently toward Terry Hickman
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy grace. We're talking about a PhD student.
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Speaker 1: She's beautiful, glamorous, totally put together, obviously brilliant. Why would
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Speaker 1: she drive all the way from her PhD studies in
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Speaker 1: Notre Dame to Washington, DC, nearly six hundred miles to
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Speaker 1: confront a guy that dumped her after just three short months.
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Speaker 1: Take listen to our friends at WUSA nine. Thirty seven
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Speaker 1: year old Nijinsky Dicks tells police she blacked out and
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Speaker 1: doesn't remember what happened, and even though many of the
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Speaker 1: victims neighbors did not want to talk on camera, they
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Speaker 1: helped detectives piece this story together. According to court records,
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Speaker 1: after hearing gunshots, neighbors saw Dicks panicked and pacing the
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Speaker 1: fifth floor balcony a gun in one hand a cell
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Speaker 1: phone in the other. When police got to the apartment,
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Speaker 1: she was screaming, but refused to open the door when
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Speaker 1: detectives got management to help them inside, the court documents
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Speaker 1: say Terry Hickman was lying face down, shot five times
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Speaker 1: in the back of the head and neck, was kneeling
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Speaker 1: over his body, one armed raised another hiding the gun
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Speaker 1: in her lap. M So Dan Corsentina, if I'm in
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Speaker 1: police chief, former sheriff US Homeland Security now private investigator
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Speaker 1: at Dan Korsantino dot com. Dan, you walk in on
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Speaker 1: a scene like that, You've got a dead guy who's
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Speaker 1: obviously blood out in the floor, and you have a
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Speaker 1: woman standing over him, one hand in the air and
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Speaker 1: the other Did I hear hiding a gun? That's an
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Speaker 1: active shooter situation right there. That's an active shooter situation,
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Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it, and the first responding officers
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Speaker 1: are going to take every precaution they can. But she
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Speaker 1: now becomes the suspect immediately, and they're asking her to
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Speaker 1: disclose or show her hands as they did, and produce
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Speaker 1: what they are expecting to be a weapon. They're anticipating that. Subsequently,
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Speaker 1: she did, and they told her to put the gun
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Speaker 1: on the ground, which she did, and they handcuffed her
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Speaker 1: and brought her into custody. You know, multiple shots at
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Speaker 1: close range to doctor Pria Banners Board Certified Forensic Pathologists
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Speaker 1: anchor for Forensic Pathology dot com and doctor Pria, multiple
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Speaker 1: gunshot wounds I believe at close range helped personal. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: give me your thoughts, Yeah, totally up close and personal.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is not shooting in the dark. You know,
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Speaker 1: she said she was threatened or whatever blacked out. This
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Speaker 1: is intentional. You are uppose and personal head and neck.
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Speaker 1: That's any one of those shots is going to incapacitate
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Speaker 1: him immediately. And now you have what five I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's insane. There's no self defense in this. I wonder
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Speaker 1: if he had any idea of what was about to happen.
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Speaker 1: And let me circle back to that thought to you,
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Speaker 1: Alexis Treshik. Isn't it true that witnesses the state that
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Speaker 1: they saw the two of them out in the parking
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Speaker 1: lot just prior to the shooting. They did, and then
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Speaker 1: they went inside the apartment and witness is heard screaming,
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Speaker 1: So they actually thought that something was happening to her.
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Speaker 1: They were worried that, you know, perhaps he was attacking her. Now,
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Speaker 1: Dick says to police when they get there, quote, you
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Speaker 1: don't do people you love like that. That's not love.
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Speaker 1: I don't want that. He can't do people like that.
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Speaker 1: You don't do people you love like that. I'm sorry.
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Speaker 1: After being shown a picture of the dead victim, Terry Hickman,
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Speaker 1: that does not sound like self defense to me. Is
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Speaker 1: that where they're headed back to you, doctor Pryor Banajee.
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Speaker 1: We now know that they were out in the parking lot,
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Speaker 1: and in my mind, the scenario is alexis jump in
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Speaker 1: if you have more facts on this, that she comes
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Speaker 1: all the way from Notre Dame University, gets to Washington,
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Speaker 1: d C. Five twenty one miles later, sees him in
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Speaker 1: the parking lot, probably stalks him till he comes out.
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Speaker 1: They're seen together and she's talking he had dumped her
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Speaker 1: after three months or six. Then they end up in
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Speaker 1: his apartment. I guarantee you she wants him back, and
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Speaker 1: they fight and she shoots him dead. He had to
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Speaker 1: know that he was about to get shot. I wonder
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Speaker 1: if he laid there bleeding out, thinking what in the
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Speaker 1: hay just happened? You know, that's it's hard to say,
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Speaker 1: but I'm sure it's escalated, right. I Mean, there's a
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Speaker 1: longer interaction before she shoots them, and she's probably been
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Speaker 1: to his apartment before, I assume in the three months,
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Speaker 1: and you know, he's trying to probably de escalate the situation,
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Speaker 1: and then she brandishes a gun like probably totally caught
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Speaker 1: him by surprise, and then you know, definitely fearing for
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Speaker 1: your life, and then he shot, I mean again, head
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Speaker 1: and neck. It really depends which shot team first, but
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Speaker 1: those are so harmful. He could be feeling it bleeding
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Speaker 1: out or he could have been blacked out very quickly,
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Speaker 1: just depending on where they came. The one thing I
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Speaker 1: want to put in that's non medical is I grew
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Speaker 1: up right outside of DC. You don't just end up
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Speaker 1: in Southwest DC without knowing where you're going from Ohio especially,
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Speaker 1: so she had to figure out figure out how to
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Speaker 1: get there from where. We've been told she had never
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Speaker 1: been in his apartment before, but that doesn't mean she
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Speaker 1: hadn't staked it out before. Absolutely, you don't up there,
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Speaker 1: which shows me even more about the relationship, doctor Jen.
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Speaker 1: You've been sleeping with somebody for three months and you've
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Speaker 1: never been invited their place. Absolutely that That definitely tells
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Speaker 1: us something that this guy was keeping her at a distance,
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Speaker 1: she did not trust her, that he was not at
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Speaker 1: all in and she was. And people who are stalker's
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Speaker 1: hinge to blur the lines between back and of a relationship,
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Speaker 1: they tend to project a lot onto it. It's kind
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Speaker 1: of like, if you think about remember those connect the
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Speaker 1: dots kind of things that we did when we were
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Speaker 1: kids where you know, it's like dot number one, dot
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Speaker 1: number two, and you connect them all and then you
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Speaker 1: have a picture. What happens with people like this is
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Speaker 1: that they connect the dots, except they create a picture
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Speaker 1: that doesn't exist. And I think this woman felt very entitled.
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Speaker 1: She thought something was there that wasn't And even her
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Speaker 1: response when the police were there, you don't do someone
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Speaker 1: wrong like this, it shows that she felt entitled. She
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Speaker 1: felt there was something there that Jess wasn't. I'm looking
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Speaker 1: at his building. It's pretty swank, and I guarantee you
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Speaker 1: there was a doorman. There was a doorman. Did he
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Speaker 1: let her up? Did she follow her ex lover up?
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Speaker 1: We may never know the answers to that because when
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Speaker 1: police get there, he's dead and she's standing over him.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Guys, it's easy to analyze
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Speaker 1: a crime scene with forensic data. You'll look for fingerprints,
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Speaker 1: you look for witnesses, the time of the shooting, the
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Speaker 1: time of the NIME on one call. What can you
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Speaker 1: learn about the trajectory path of the bullet? Was their stipling?
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Speaker 1: Was there gunshot residue telling you that she fired within
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Speaker 1: three feet of the defendant. There's so many forensic matters
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Speaker 1: to deal with, but there are also psychological and behavioral
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Speaker 1: issues behind the shooting. This guy, the former belover boyfriend
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Speaker 1: Terry Hickman, and the PhD student turned stalker. Who is she?
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at crime online. Nijinsky
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Speaker 1: is a thirty seven year old PhD student at the
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Speaker 1: University of Illinois, Chicago. She's been pursuing a doctorate in criminology,
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Speaker 1: law and justice while also working as an employee at
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Speaker 1: the University of Notre Dame in South Bend, Indiana, where
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Speaker 1: she's the director of a talent search program called Trio.
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Speaker 1: She's also dating a man named Terry Hickman. They didn't
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Speaker 1: date for long. According to Hickman's family, they dated for
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Speaker 1: about three months, but the forty four year old Terry
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Speaker 1: broke up with her in May. Hm studying criminology, law
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Speaker 1: and justice. That changes things in my mind. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen now to our friends at WUSA nine. We hear
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Speaker 1: in the police report that Hickman dated Dicks for three months.
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Speaker 1: They broke up in May, and Hickman's relatives tell police,
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Speaker 1: according to these court records, that after they broke up,
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Speaker 1: he found someone new and was about to move to Chicago.
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Speaker 1: Hickman untold a very nice guy, a father of a
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Speaker 1: local girl who attends college in DC, who was forty
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Speaker 1: four years old. Hmm, this guy seemed to have it
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Speaker 1: all going on. Found someone new, about to move to Chicago,
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Speaker 1: has a daughter who attends college there in DC where
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Speaker 1: he is. But what more do we know? Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our forensic crime online. According to Hickman's family,
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Speaker 1: Dix had started stalking her former flame after the split,
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Speaker 1: and that even though she was from out of state,
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Speaker 1: she somehow found out where he lived in Washington, DC.
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Speaker 1: Shortly before five thirty pm, police responded to reports of
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Speaker 1: gunfire at the apartment complex in the nation's capital. Police
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Speaker 1: entered an apartment where they found a male individual who
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Speaker 1: had been shot. They found Nijinsky Dix kneeling beside the
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Speaker 1: bullet ridden body of Terry Hickman, who was pronounced dead
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Speaker 1: at the scene. Police said Dix was holding a gun
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Speaker 1: in her left hand, which officers ordered her to put down.
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Speaker 1: She was also on speaker phone with someone who identified
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Speaker 1: themselves to authorities as her mother. Her mother told officers
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Speaker 1: that Dix called her and said he pushed me and
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Speaker 1: I shot him. Okay, so let me understand something. Back
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Speaker 1: to you, alexis terrestcha. She was on the phone with
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Speaker 1: her mom the whole time, she is, and that's what
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Speaker 1: she told her. So when police get there, they actually
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Speaker 1: so where she say he pushed me. Police get there,
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Speaker 1: they noticed that she has like an abrasion on her mouth,
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Speaker 1: kind of on one of her lips, and they asked
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Speaker 1: her what happened. She never mentions he hit me or
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Speaker 1: anything like that. She doesn't mention anything at all about
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Speaker 1: her lip, which they could they clearly see it. She
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Speaker 1: just keeps saying, I have a pain in my back.
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Speaker 1: I have a pain in my back. They said, well,
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Speaker 1: what is it from? She can't tell them. Another thing
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Speaker 1: is that she reached out. We just heard that he
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Speaker 1: had a daughter, a college age daughter. After that they
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Speaker 1: had broken up. Just for three months, she was reaching
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Speaker 1: out to the daughter. So she was obsessed with him
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Speaker 1: and obsessed with trying and which his family thought was
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Speaker 1: so weird. The daughter thought was so strange, and the
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Speaker 1: only did for three months. Why are you calling me
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Speaker 1: about my dad? It was very intrusive into the family life.
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Speaker 1: But back to the crime scene, the police had no
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Speaker 1: evidence of him hitting her other than what the mom said.
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Speaker 1: Even though she had this brus in her mouth, she
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Speaker 1: didn't say anything at all. Would happen about that? Interesting? Interesting, guys,
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Speaker 1: I'm curious to dactor Jen Mann, marriage family therapist, host
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Speaker 1: of Couples Therapy on v H one and the Doctor
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Speaker 1: Jen Show on Serious Sex m also author of The
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Speaker 1: Relationship Fixed, Doctor Jen. Now we see her when the
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Speaker 1: guy won't come back to he're starting to call his
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Speaker 1: college age daughter. Yeah, stackers are obsessive good personalities, and
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Speaker 1: they tend to have these repetitive thoughts patterns. They become
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Speaker 1: so preoccupied with their target that sometimes they're unable to sleep,
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Speaker 1: they can't even eat, they abandon their jobs. This is
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Speaker 1: someone who was a full fledged obsession. And what typically
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Speaker 1: is the trigger for this kind of personality is a rejection.
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Speaker 1: You see it over and over again that when this
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Speaker 1: type of personality is rejected, it becomes the critical blow.
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Speaker 1: And a lot of the time these kind of stalkers
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Speaker 1: they see themselves as victims being led on or toyed with,
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Speaker 1: and because they have such an enormous sphere of abandonment,
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Speaker 1: they lose their ability to reason and it becomes impossible
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Speaker 1: to let them down easy, and they become just obsessive.
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Speaker 1: They get caught up in that cycle and then they
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Speaker 1: do these crazy kind of things. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our cut five. This is our friend John Limley at
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Speaker 1: crime Online. Metropolitan East detective Luke French described the scene
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Speaker 1: in detail. Hickman was found face down dead on the
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Speaker 1: floor in his living room. The autopsy showed he was
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Speaker 1: shot five times, at least once from close range. The
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Speaker 1: shots were to his head, neck and face. One shot
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Speaker 1: was to the arm. French reported that bullet holes, ricochet marks,
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Speaker 1: and shell casings were found in the living and bedroom
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Speaker 1: of the apartment. At least one spent bullet was found
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Speaker 1: as well. A black Ruger handgun was on the floor
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Speaker 1: near Hickman's body. To the right of his body was
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Speaker 1: a single long fingernail. M okay to you former police chief,
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Speaker 1: former sheriff, now private investigator, Dan Korcentino, that's telling me
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Speaker 1: a lot the forensics. It sounds like she chased him
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Speaker 1: through the apartment, because you've got shell casings all over
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Speaker 1: the apartment. Yeah, personal, DES's somewhat remarkable how this entire
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Speaker 1: story unfolded. As your guests have described it. There's no
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Speaker 1: doubt upon the entrance into this long hallway of the
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Speaker 1: apartment that's described by the Metropolitan Police that she ended
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Speaker 1: up toward the rear of the living room and there
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Speaker 1: must have been a discussion taking place. But subsequently she
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Speaker 1: started firing five rounds into him, and there had to
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Speaker 1: be at least were counting two to three other rounds
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Speaker 1: that were fired within the apartment itself. The very first round,
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Speaker 1: if I could just share with his second left arm,
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Speaker 1: and it exited the left back, which basically tells me
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Speaker 1: that he was probably approaching her to take the gun
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Speaker 1: away from her speculation, but that would be my first thought,
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Speaker 1: and she was hit. When he was hit, then she
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Speaker 1: continued firing, and to the point of even standing very
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Speaker 1: close to him in shooting a one right into the
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Speaker 1: back of his head, which is just very tragic with
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Speaker 1: all with malice and intempt from the very beginning when
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Speaker 1: she left to come to Washington, DC. This was her plan,
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Speaker 1: I believe in the very beginning. Yeah, why come all
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Speaker 1: that way with a weapon? It reminds me a lot
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Speaker 1: of Jodi Arius, who literally crosses the desert to get
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Speaker 1: to Travis Alexander to kill him when he decides to
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Speaker 1: be with another woman. I want to go to doctor
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Speaker 1: Priya Banerjee, board certified forensic pathologist and she can be
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Speaker 1: found at anchor Forensic Pathology dot com. Doctor Priya. I
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Speaker 1: had a case once where a stalker comes into an
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Speaker 1: apartment to kill a college co ed and the coed
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Speaker 1: sees what's happening and holds her hand up and she
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Speaker 1: ends up getting a shot through the hand and it
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Speaker 1: goes through part of her face. I'm wondering if in
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Speaker 1: this case Hickman didn't raise his arm up to protect
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Speaker 1: himself and the first shot goes through his arm and
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Speaker 1: comes out his back. Could be that way, Oh totally.
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Speaker 1: That that's very you know possible if the if the
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Speaker 1: wounds can line up, you know, and that's a normal
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Speaker 1: response too, like you know, hold up, what are you doing?
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Speaker 1: We are fighting and now you have a gun. You know.
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Speaker 1: The other thing I want to say is it's not
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Speaker 1: just one shot. I mean it's to the face, the head,
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Speaker 1: and the neck, all very you know, important sort of
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Speaker 1: protected areas. That is hate, that is intentional, And you know,
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Speaker 1: does that mean he couldn't even have an open casket
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Speaker 1: funeral if if his face is so injured you have
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Speaker 1: to think about that. I mean, that's how disfiguring these
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Speaker 1: wounds can be. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. It reminds
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Speaker 1: me of a case where a mother shot her children
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Speaker 1: down in Florida. She was a high level linguist in
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Speaker 1: the military and she shot both her children in the
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Speaker 1: mouth and said they had a sassy mouth and she
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Speaker 1: shot them in the mouth because they was talked back
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Speaker 1: to her. Another case where a killer girlfriend shoots her
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Speaker 1: aspiring lawyer boyfriend after he is planning a date with
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Speaker 1: somebody else. She shoots him in the face and says, oh,
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Speaker 1: I gave him the nose job he always wanted. Shooting
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Speaker 1: somebody in the head or the face, in my mind, yeah,
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Speaker 1: can often reveal some type of motive. It's kind of
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Speaker 1: hard to get into the mind of a kill a girlfriend.
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Speaker 1: Take a list. After in john Linley, police talk to
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Speaker 1: multiple witnesses, one of whom said they heard shots while
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Speaker 1: outside the building, heard a woman scream, oh my God,
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Speaker 1: and then saw a woman walking back and forth on
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Speaker 1: a balcony. Other witnesses told police they heard a woman
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Speaker 1: say help me after multiple shots went off. After being
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Speaker 1: released from the hospital, Dix was taken to a police station,
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Speaker 1: where she once again complained of memory loss. During an
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Speaker 1: interview with detectives, Dix asked police for some sort of
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Speaker 1: information that made jog her memory about what happened. According
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Speaker 1: to court filings, when shown a photograph of Hickman, Dix
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Speaker 1: began crying and saying, get it away from me, Tilexa's tusha.
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Speaker 1: Did I hear that correctly? That neighbors heard her scream out,
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Speaker 1: help me, help me after the series of shots, not before, Yes,
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Speaker 1: and so that's what they thought, that perhaps he had
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Speaker 1: shot her. Nobody had heard, but they didn't hear him
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Speaker 1: screaming at all. Okay, I want you to take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our friend Delia and Gonsalvaza WUSA nine. After
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Speaker 1: police cuffed her, court records say they opened her purse
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Speaker 1: to hear someone on speaker phone. It was her mother
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Speaker 1: on the cell phone. According to the court records, she
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Speaker 1: told police her daughter said quote, he pushed me and
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Speaker 1: I shot him. Dix was checked out at the hospital.
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Speaker 1: Doctor says she displayed no signs of trauma. The court
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Speaker 1: records indicate during her police interview, Dix was shown a
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Speaker 1: picture of Hickman. She responded by saying, in part, please
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Speaker 1: make sure he is gone. You don't do people you
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Speaker 1: love like that. I'm sorry. Well, she's not in the
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Speaker 1: forest and satellite. She won't be the last stalker turned
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Speaker 1: kill her girlfriend. Take a listen to our friends at kphotv. Phoenix.
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Speaker 1: I felt like I meant my soul meet and everything
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Speaker 1: was just the way it was, and I thought we
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Speaker 1: would just do what everybody else did and we would
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Speaker 1: just like get married and everything would be fine. But
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Speaker 1: that's not what happened. Jacqueline Addis claims she went on
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Speaker 1: three dates with a Paradise Valley man she met through
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Speaker 1: an online dating service for millionaire matchmaking. Court records say
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Speaker 1: Addis sent the victim sixty five thousand text messages, including
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Speaker 1: threats to kill him, where his body parts and bathe
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Speaker 1: in his blood. Addis does not deny the volume of
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Speaker 1: text messages, but she would not get into specifics. She did, however,
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Speaker 1: regret the nature of some of those messages. When you're
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Speaker 1: finding love, not everything is perfect. This was a journey,
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Speaker 1: and I want to apologize because intended to hurt or
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Speaker 1: scare the victim. And she doesn't blame him for her incarceration. No,
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Speaker 1: I love him. Just hearing her voice squeves me out totally.
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Speaker 1: I love him. Sixty five thousand texts threatening to kill him,
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Speaker 1: where his body parts, embathed, his blood. Gee, I wonder
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Speaker 1: why they broke up. Okay, that's one case. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to this. This is Eric Sandoval from our friends
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Speaker 1: at k at WKMG. Ossiola County Sheriff's investigators say a
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Speaker 1: woman called nine one one around noon today from this
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Speaker 1: home on Blackpool Way. She said someone she knew was
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Speaker 1: trying to get inside and he was armed. When deputies arrived,
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Speaker 1: they say they confronted a man matching the description a
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Speaker 1: block away. They identified him as twenty year old Kai
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Speaker 1: Douglas Williams, and inside the house, they say they found
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Speaker 1: his estranged girlfriend, eighteen year old Larissa Borrows, shot dead.
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Speaker 1: They lets use my best friend. Drew Smith says he's
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Speaker 1: known Borrow since the second grade and he lived down
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Speaker 1: the street. It's heartbroken. His home chess Field's empty when
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Speaker 1: you lose somebody that means so much to you. Smith
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Speaker 1: said the couple had a little boy and they also
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Speaker 1: had problems. New six investigated and, according to the Ossola
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Speaker 1: County Court records, Williams wasn't supposed to go near Borrows.
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Speaker 1: He had a restraining order after a case of domestic violence.
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Speaker 1: Her friends tell us he set her car on fire
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Speaker 1: here at school. He had also been arrested for stalking Borrows.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a surefire way to get your loved
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Speaker 1: one back, to set their car on fire, jocor gin Man,
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Speaker 1: what is going on in these people's minds? Well, this
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Speaker 1: is some serious, serious mental health issues. This is deeply pathological,
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Speaker 1: and these are people who, in their obsession with this
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Speaker 1: other person, in their kind of it gets blurry for them,
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Speaker 1: the fantasy and putting perfume of the pig's blurring. He
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Speaker 1: set her car on fire. The other one sixty five
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Speaker 1: thousand text messages. Then, in this case, the woman drives
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Speaker 1: five hundred plus miles to con front her lover of
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Speaker 1: just three months and the parking a lot and then
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Speaker 1: goes on to sheeting. But that's just the tip of
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Speaker 1: the iceberg. Take a listen to our friend Amy Powell
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Speaker 1: at KABC seven are cut thirteen. Their homeowner tells us
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Speaker 1: the woman who got stuck inside his chimney this morning
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Speaker 1: has been on his roof before he met her online
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Speaker 1: and during their brief relationship. He says it took a
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Speaker 1: disturbing turn. First her hands appear, then her arms. Finally,
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Speaker 1: firefighters are able to pull a woman out of the
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Speaker 1: chimney she became trapped in early this morning. Neighbors were
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Speaker 1: awakened by her cries around five am. I just hear
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Speaker 1: this calling. Eye witnessed Robert Fisher shot this video as
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Speaker 1: firefighters worked to free thirty year old Hanno Veva Nunia's
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Speaker 1: figueroa from the chimney of the home on the nineteen
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Speaker 1: hundred block of Woodside Drive. They had to dismantle it
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Speaker 1: brick by brick. She can be seen wedged inside, her
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Speaker 1: hands over her head. Fisher's wife texted the homeowner, who
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Speaker 1: was out at a party. Hey, you won't believe this.
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Speaker 1: There's somebody in your chimney, Okay, Alexis tres Check. That's
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Speaker 1: quite the calling card. Who wouldn't fall in love with
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Speaker 1: a great girl like that? Having to dismantle your chimney
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Speaker 1: brick by brick because your ex girlfriend is stuck in it?
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Speaker 1: And did you catch the beginning? It's not the first
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Speaker 1: time she's been up on his roof. When these ladies
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Speaker 1: cannot let go. And the interesting thing is that nothing
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Speaker 1: warns them away from it. They can't think that, like
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Speaker 1: I would never consider climbing down a chimney to get
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Speaker 1: into my ex boyfriend's house, but because that's what nobody does,
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Speaker 1: Like there could be a fire burning in it. And
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Speaker 1: they never saw the movie Gremlins when they were a
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Speaker 1: little where the dad got stuck in the chimney and
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Speaker 1: died and ruined Christmas, like you just you don't know.
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Speaker 1: You're checking a lot of your investigative reporting from movies.
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Speaker 1: So unless Grimlin's was a documentary, I don't really think
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Speaker 1: it app here, although I did just recently quite the incredible,
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Speaker 1: So I don't have a leg to stand on. James
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Speaker 1: shall Nut. We often see it again in movies and
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Speaker 1: TV and books, works of fiction where the per would
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Speaker 1: rather see the victim dead then let them go on
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Speaker 1: with their life or be with someone else. But it's
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Speaker 1: not fiction, shall Nut, Now, it's every day, real wife.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it happens all the time, and it's you know,
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Speaker 1: it's a level of selfishness, it's a level of possession.
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Speaker 1: And these people are psychotic. I mean, it happens frequently,
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Speaker 1: but aren't there red flags, doctor jen Man, Sometimes there
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Speaker 1: are and I think also that, um, sometimes there are
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Speaker 1: red flags and people don't listen to their instincts. And
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Speaker 1: you know, Gavin Debacker word a whole book about the
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Speaker 1: gift of fear that when you get that feeling in
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Speaker 1: your stomach, we got to listen to it. And these
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Speaker 1: people do tend to show sign being highly obstive very
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Speaker 1: early on in the relationship. Yeah, I mean, and you
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Speaker 1: think sixty five thousand texts would be a red flag
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Speaker 1: that you need to break up? Yeah, I think sixty
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Speaker 1: five thousand texts is a little bit of a red flague.
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Speaker 1: It sounds like a sitcom, a bad sitcom, and a
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Speaker 1: freak show. In this situation, I don't get it, but
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Speaker 1: I do understand the obsessiveness. I understand the control, and
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Speaker 1: in our business, all of our business, we understand how
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Speaker 1: that becomes a connecting point to the potential of committing
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Speaker 1: a crime with intent and malice because of the isolation,
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Speaker 1: the other person is placing you in the rejection and
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Speaker 1: now your options start to become limited depending upon your mindset. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's all in your own mind. So this goes from
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Speaker 1: works of fiction to harsh reality with killer girlfriends Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace Crime Story, signing off goodbye friend,