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Women Advance! | Episode #414 · Legacy Living with Dr. Gloria Burgess

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to today's show, Legacy Living, Make Your
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Speaker 1: Life Count. I'm your host, Doctor Gloria Gloria Burgess, international
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Speaker 1: leadership expert and trusted advisor. Welcome to Legacy Living, Make
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Speaker 1: Your Life Count. I am so delighted that you joined
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Speaker 1: me today. I have a very special guest on our show.
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Speaker 1: Her name is Eberet. Acadie Eberet is an entrepreneur, leadership strategist,
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Speaker 1: and a thought leader in leadership development, diversity and inclusion.
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Speaker 1: She is also the founder of two businesses, Rise and Lead,
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Speaker 1: and her second business is called Ataro Foods Now. Many
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Speaker 1: people describe Everray as an inspiring role model and a
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Speaker 1: pace center. Well, that's because she is passionate about helping
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Speaker 1: women in business to elevate their leadership, to lead successful businesses,
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Speaker 1: and to partner with industry leaders in order to increase
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Speaker 1: the number of women who are represented in leadership positions.
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Speaker 1: One of the many ways that Eberet helps women in
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Speaker 1: business is through her company called Rise and Lead. Rise
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Speaker 1: and Lead convenes and hosts inspiring leadership conferences and roundtables.
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Speaker 1: She brings together diverse women in business and accomplish leaders
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Speaker 1: from major global brands such as Aon Accenture, Coca Cola, Insight, Uber, MasterCard,
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Speaker 1: we Transfer, Procter and Gamble, Pfizer, United Nations Ups, and
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Speaker 1: many many more. Ebiray truly believes that leadership development is
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Speaker 1: a tool that helps us embrace our full potential, which
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Speaker 1: inspires others to embrace theirs. Now doesn't that sound like
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Speaker 1: legacy living? I met eBay through a mutual friend ari
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Speaker 1: all of us are mutually passionate about entrepreneurship and leadership.
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Speaker 1: Woila instant connection. Ebray's highest calling is her absolute joy
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Speaker 1: in lifting up and building up women leaders Today's topic
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Speaker 1: is all about that lifting up women's leadership, a topic
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Speaker 1: that is very close to my heart. As you know now,
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Speaker 1: I can't think of a better person, a better leader,
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Speaker 1: a better human being to address this topic than Eberey
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Speaker 1: a Caterie. When she said yes to being on my podcast,
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Speaker 1: I just knew that she would speak soulfully and passionately
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Speaker 1: about her life and her work. Why, because that's who
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Speaker 1: she is. She is simply on fire about God's call
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Speaker 1: on her life. So I can't wait to host my
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Speaker 1: friend and colleague, Eberey a Caterie. Now before I bring
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Speaker 1: Everray in I just want to take a minute to
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Speaker 1: connect the dots between today's topic on lifting up leaders
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Speaker 1: and legacy living. Now, there are many many ways that
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Speaker 1: lifting up leaders connects to legacy living. For now, let
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Speaker 1: me just say that legacy living is a way of
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Speaker 1: being and a way of living in the world. And
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Speaker 1: you've heard me say this over and over again on
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Speaker 1: this podcast. How you live is how you lead. Now,
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Speaker 1: most importantly, legacy living and leadership is a way of
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Speaker 1: serving so that we make the conscious choice to be
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Speaker 1: the difference we want to see in the world. We
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Speaker 1: make the conscious choice right here, right now, not in
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Speaker 1: some distant future. Right we make that conscious choice day
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Speaker 1: in and day out. Three sixty five, twenty four seven. Now,
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Speaker 1: let me bring in my friend and colleague, Everey Acatarie.
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Speaker 1: I'd want to welllcome you to my podcast beat if
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Speaker 1: you could say your name for us, where you live,
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Speaker 1: and how you started in this leadership world.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me on this show.
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Speaker 2: My name is a Beret Academy and I live in
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Speaker 2: the Netherlands. I'm originally from Nigeria and I started an
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Speaker 2: organization called Rise and Lead Women. The way I started
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Speaker 2: is when I came to the Netherlands in twenty thirteen.
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Speaker 2: I moved with my family and my husband because my
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Speaker 2: husband was transferred to work in the Netherlands. And before
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Speaker 2: then I had a business in Nigeria, a restaurant business
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Speaker 2: that was growing very rapidly with you know, two branches
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Speaker 2: and seven Souls outlets. So when I had to leave
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Speaker 2: it behind as the good wife and moved with my
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Speaker 2: husband to the Netherlands, and arriving here, I was kind
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Speaker 2: of lost, almost depressed, trying to find what else to do.
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Speaker 2: I wasn't sure of what I wanted to do, and
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Speaker 2: in that situation I started. I had some time to
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Speaker 2: reflect to even you know, re examine myself, to know
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Speaker 2: who I am and what my values are and you know,
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Speaker 2: what difference I'm supposed to make on this earth. And
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Speaker 2: it was at that point I kept hearing that voice
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Speaker 2: like teach what you know, teach what you know already.
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Speaker 2: And that was how I started, you know, bringing women
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Speaker 2: together to teach them a little bit about entrepreneurship and
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Speaker 2: then also looking for a network that supports ambitious women
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Speaker 2: who want to build companies. I couldn't find one, so
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Speaker 2: I decided to start off Rise and lead women as
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Speaker 2: you know, as an event, as an event to empower
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Speaker 2: women to to just take up you know, rise like
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Speaker 2: you know, raise their voices and start driving changes and
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Speaker 2: start building, start leading their businesses. And that's how Rizon started.
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Speaker 2: And now it's three years and that we are moving
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Speaker 2: more towards leadership development for women to help them get
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Speaker 2: the seats at the table and also partnering with different
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Speaker 2: corporate organizations to drive changes towards gender diversity and inclusion.
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Speaker 1: M Okay, well, thank you and the world needs your
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Speaker 1: voice now more than ever ever.
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Speaker 3: A So can you talk to us?
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Speaker 1: You know, we talk about leadership a lot in this uh,
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Speaker 1: in this world at least you know the work that
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Speaker 1: I do.
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Speaker 3: We talk about leadership a lot.
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Speaker 1: And many of us have our own definitions about leadership,
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Speaker 1: and so I'm curious, what does leadership mean to you?
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. That's a very beautiful question. As
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Speaker 2: a matter of fact, I had a webinar recently talking
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Speaker 2: about that topic. I see that when I speak to
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Speaker 2: women in women in business, we talk about leadership a lot,
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Speaker 2: and some people start thinking it's not for them. It
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Speaker 2: all has to be when you get to a certain
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Speaker 2: position at work, that's when you start talking about leadership.
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Speaker 2: But then I started speaking to them about for me,
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Speaker 2: what leadership means, and what leadership means to me. It's
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Speaker 2: about driving changes. It's about taking up you know, the montle,
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Speaker 2: taking up responsibilities, leading changes, using your voices to drive
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Speaker 2: social changes. It's all about engaging, you know, with people,
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Speaker 2: sharing our vision of a better world and inspiring them
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Speaker 2: to come with us on this journey. So that's for me,
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Speaker 2: it's that's what leadership means to me. And I believe
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Speaker 2: that everybody can lead from where they are, and that
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Speaker 2: people can also expand their capacity to lead, and when
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Speaker 2: they do that, they're making space for other people to
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Speaker 2: also start increasing their capacity to.
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Speaker 1: All right, and I love how you talk about leadership,
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Speaker 1: you know, very globally at work for social change, and
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Speaker 1: you also talk about leading from where you are. So
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Speaker 1: can you say a little bit more about that, because
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Speaker 1: a lot of people are, you know, just.
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Speaker 3: Kind of scratch their about that what does that really mean?
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Speaker 2: So let's start with you know, even when we talk
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Speaker 2: about the world's definition of leadership, it's about who is
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Speaker 2: in front, who is taking up the lead, who is
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Speaker 2: taking up the mantle or the responsibility to move everybody
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Speaker 2: towards a common goal. So when you are I use
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Speaker 2: this example like if you are in an office environment
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Speaker 2: and then they want you to They are looking for
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Speaker 2: somebody to organize an event, for example, and nobody is
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Speaker 2: raising their hands to do it, but you're gifted to
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Speaker 2: do that. It's important for you to raise your hands,
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Speaker 2: even though it's not part of your job description. And
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Speaker 2: as soon as you raise your hands to do that,
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Speaker 2: people will gather around you to support you. At that point,
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Speaker 2: you are a leader. You are leading that initiative. And
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Speaker 2: the more we take up so responsibilities, the more we
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Speaker 2: grow our capacity to lead, the more we grow our
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Speaker 2: leadership competencies, the more we become better leaders, and the
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Speaker 2: more people start looking up to Earth, you know, for
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Speaker 2: solutions to problems. That's how people live from where they are.
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Speaker 2: You don't wait for somebody to appoint you of putting
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Speaker 2: that position of leadership. You know your gifts, you know
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Speaker 2: what you can do. You can start influencing people through
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Speaker 2: your gifts, and that's why it's important to develop yourself
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Speaker 2: as a leader.
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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, thank you. I love this notion of you know,
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Speaker 1: starting from where you are connected to your gifts and
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Speaker 1: what you're passionate about. You know, everybody can do something right,
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Speaker 1: and so why not raise your why not be the
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Speaker 1: one to raise your hand and say, hey, start right?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And sometimes it's because people don't know what they
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Speaker 2: are good at.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, And that's probably a whole different conversation.
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Speaker 3: Right, different conversation.
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Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, So every ray, can you talk a little
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Speaker 1: bit about I know that your your organization, Rise and
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Speaker 1: Leaders focused on women and women's leadership.
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Speaker 3: Why do women need to enhance their leadership competency?
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So when Rise and Leads started and we were
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Speaker 2: just focusing on female entrepreneurship, then I remember my mentor
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Speaker 2: she said, you know, every is going to take one
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Speaker 2: hundred years to close the gender leadership gap. We can't
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Speaker 2: focus only on entrepreneurs. We need to go into the
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Speaker 2: workplaces and drive changes. So we started moving into diversity
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Speaker 2: and inclusion space. And if you look at today, the
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Speaker 2: number of women at the top leadership positions so low.
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Speaker 2: You know from all the reports, from every report that
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Speaker 2: you get, women are underrepresented in every part of the economy,
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Speaker 2: in every institution. Meanwhile, there are so many reports that
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Speaker 2: says that I think it was McKenzie. You know, in
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Speaker 2: one of their leading reports of twenty nineteen, they mentioned
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Speaker 2: that women, you know, get into the workforce, but as
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Speaker 2: they start moving towards the leadership ladder, towards the executive position,
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Speaker 2: they drop from fifty percent to twenty five percent, and
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Speaker 2: as they start moving towards the CEO level they even
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Speaker 2: go down to seven percent. Why is that? Now, As
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Speaker 2: a leadership strategist, what I can think of is the
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Speaker 2: fact that when you are at the entry level in
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Speaker 2: a workplace, your leader in you know, the way you're working,
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Speaker 2: you're focusing a lot on tactics, all those tactical job
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Speaker 2: descriptions that you're given right but when you start moving
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Speaker 2: into the executive positions, you're expected to embrace strategies like
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Speaker 2: big vision driving a team. And then you're also expected
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Speaker 2: to develop or to display such personal qualities that helps
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Speaker 2: you to inspire people to move the organization forward, and
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Speaker 2: for example, like negotiation skills, like people's skills, even like
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Speaker 2: stakeholder management or stakeholder relationship management. And and the confidence level,
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Speaker 2: you know, you have to stand up and speak up
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Speaker 2: and have a very strong opinion. And then there was
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Speaker 2: another report by your I can't remember his name, but
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Speaker 2: he wrote an article on Have a Business Review saying
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Speaker 2: that men seem to overthink themselves, you know, their competency level,
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Speaker 2: but women women they found this report, I think I
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Speaker 2: can find it. What is I think Chamaro Primus prem music. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: you know. He was saying that there's a disparity in
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Speaker 2: confidence level between men and women, right, and he said
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Speaker 2: is the confidence gap because men show up as confident
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Speaker 2: and because of that, everybody believes that they, you know,
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Speaker 2: they are competence. But women tend to be more humble,
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Speaker 2: which is very good quality of a leader because it's
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Speaker 2: related to emotional intelligence. But people or the leader us
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Speaker 2: who are judging us to promote us, don't see that
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Speaker 2: as a great skill to make them promote you. So
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Speaker 2: what am I saying all this background? What I'm trying
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Speaker 2: to say is that my organization, Rise and Lead were
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Speaker 2: on the mens to increase the representation of women in
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Speaker 2: top leadership positions. And one of the ways we are
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Speaker 2: going to achieve that is to help women understand develop
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Speaker 2: themselves as leaders, start developing those competencies that positions them
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Speaker 2: to take up leadership rules so that they won't be
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Speaker 2: passed over while we also you know, advocate for organizations
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Speaker 2: to look beyond those seemingly you know, competencies like confidence.
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Speaker 2: They have to look beyond it and still promote women
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Speaker 2: to build an equitable organization. But it's going to take
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Speaker 2: a long time. So as women, we need to develop
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Speaker 2: ourselves so that can take up more leadership responsibilities, so
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Speaker 2: we can raise allur voices, so we can you know,
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Speaker 2: get there so we can close the gender leadership gap.
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Speaker 2: We all have a role to play here.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and you know, thank you for bringing in
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Speaker 1: that Mackenzie uh study. I know that women's leadership does
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Speaker 1: tend to drop off. And one of the things that
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Speaker 1: I have recognized with regard to confidence is that men
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Speaker 1: tend to overestimate themselves. I mean, and that's not a judgment.
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Speaker 2: That's the report as well, that's what that's one of
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Speaker 2: the reports. You know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's not a judgment about man, it's just
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Speaker 1: you know, a fact, and women tend to underestimate themselves,
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Speaker 1: so they are looking to you know, have all everything
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Speaker 1: together before they seat that next step, and men are saying,
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Speaker 1: bring it on, you know, I'll build my wings as
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Speaker 1: I as I right, Yes, what are some of the
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Speaker 1: key steps every that women can take to find their
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Speaker 1: leadership voice good.
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Speaker 2: That's a very good question, and that's what our Right
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Speaker 2: to Leadership program, that's you know what, is based on.
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Speaker 2: So for a woman to even start thinking about raising
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Speaker 2: their leadership voice, why do they need to raise their
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Speaker 2: leadership voice in the first place. Number one, if you
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Speaker 2: don't pick up, if you don't use your voice, people
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Speaker 2: are going to bypass you.
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Speaker 1: They will not know.
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Speaker 2: Your competencies or what you're capable of doing, and then
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Speaker 2: that promotion, they will give it to the other man
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Speaker 2: beside you, who is like overrating his own competency. And
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Speaker 2: for us to change that, women need to start by
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Speaker 2: true self awareness, you know, like me. There are five
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Speaker 2: steps women need to take first to build up themselves
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Speaker 2: to be able to raise before they get ready to
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Speaker 2: to uh to use their voice, and also to start
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Speaker 2: developing other skills and other competencies. Number one is self awareness.
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Speaker 2: It's about knowing who you are. What do you bring
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Speaker 2: to the table, What are your gifts? What are your talents?
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Speaker 2: You know? What are your values? You know? What do
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Speaker 2: you have? What difference are you here to make at
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Speaker 2: this time? And number two is about core values. Most
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Speaker 2: times we tend to not know our core values. Yes,
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Speaker 2: and you know, our core values is gonna help us
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Speaker 2: take decisions regarding our careers. It's gonna it's going to
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Speaker 2: help us be sure that we're you're working in the
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Speaker 2: right environment, the place that will help us grow fast.
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Speaker 2: And our core values, you know, we're going to have
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Speaker 2: like principles that will help us, you know, craft our vision.
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Speaker 2: So the next one is the vision. You know, what
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Speaker 2: is our bold vision? You can become a top CEO
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Speaker 2: if you don't start today to look into the future
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Speaker 2: and see yourself becoming a CEO. M hm, you have
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Speaker 2: to you have to have that bold vision first, you know, like,
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Speaker 2: this is where I want to be. And because with
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Speaker 2: your core values, you also understand your leadership style and
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Speaker 2: also you start understanding only your your your your point
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Speaker 2: of view, like this is what I believe in. This
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Speaker 2: is you know, you're speaking of gradually right. And then
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Speaker 2: you have this vision of where you want to be
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Speaker 2: and you start walking from the end backwards to make
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Speaker 2: sure that you can to that vision into reality, breaking
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Speaker 2: it into goals into action steps. And at that point
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Speaker 2: you already you will see some gaps. Okay, I want
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Speaker 2: to be the CEO. What step do I need to take?
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Speaker 2: What competence is? Do I need to possess? Who can
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Speaker 2: I reach out to? So at that point you want
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Speaker 2: to find your support team. You have to reach out
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Speaker 2: and find mentors or make sure that you drive that
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Speaker 2: change and make sure there's from a mentorship in your company.
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Speaker 2: If there is no, you can find one for yourself.
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Speaker 2: Get mentors, learn from them, ask them to introduce you,
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Speaker 2: let them know your dreams, your desires. You see, you're
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Speaker 2: beginning to speak up, so people already know what you're
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Speaker 2: bringing to the table. You're telling them this is what
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Speaker 2: I want to do because of this, these are my values.
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Speaker 2: I can do this. And as soon as you get
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Speaker 2: there then already the fifth step is that you now
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Speaker 2: have a plan on your table, which is your personal
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Speaker 2: growth plan. These are the things I want to be
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Speaker 2: a sea or in five years. These are the courses
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Speaker 2: I need to attend. These are the kind of mentor
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Speaker 2: that I need. You know, these are the things the
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Speaker 2: kind of jobs and need to take. These are the
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Speaker 2: roles I need to occupy to help me get to
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Speaker 2: that my desired destination. So at that point, you see
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Speaker 2: it comes up naturally for you to start speaking up,
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Speaker 2: start speaking up in meetings because you know what you
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Speaker 2: want the already have a vision of where you're going to.
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Speaker 2: At that point, it starts speaking up if people start
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Speaker 2: recognizing you, noticing you, and then you start adding values.
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Speaker 2: And it to be so easy at that point to
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Speaker 2: give you some positions. You can no longer hide your voice. Yes,
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Speaker 2: because you now know the values you bring. You have
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Speaker 2: a strong opinion about everything, and you are tributing on
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Speaker 2: every table you find yourself. That's how it stops.
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Speaker 1: Well, thank you, and I love your five steps and
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Speaker 1: I just want to make sure that our listeners get them.
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Speaker 3: So I'm going to repeat them.
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Speaker 1: Uh, and I'm going to stop at three because I
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Speaker 1: want to make sure that I got four and five right. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So I got for number one, self awareness, number two,
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Speaker 1: your core values, number three a bold vision, and what
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Speaker 1: was number four?
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Speaker 2: Told him that vision into reality? What do you need
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Speaker 2: to do?
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Speaker 3: Okay?
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Speaker 1: So breaking it down into your goals and action plans? Yes, yes,
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Speaker 1: so turning the vision into reality. And then number five
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Speaker 1: is to have your own plan, your personal growth plan.
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Speaker 3: Is that exactly? Yes? Okay, yes, you know I love this.
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Speaker 1: A mutual friend connected us Ari from Ambur, Michigan. And now,
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Speaker 1: you know, as I talked you more, I really understand why.
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Speaker 1: I mean you, I could be saying the same things
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Speaker 1: coming out of you, you know, that are coming out
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Speaker 1: of your mouth, So I just love it. Oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: so you mentioned the word you're welcome. Thank you. You
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Speaker 1: mentioned the word empowerment earlier ever, and I know that,
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Speaker 1: you know, sometimes we talk about empowerment, uh, and particularly
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Speaker 1: in the realm of women's leadership, sometimes we mean that,
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Speaker 1: you know, uh, kind of as a stand in for
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Speaker 1: the word leadership, empowerment, leadership one and the same, but
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Speaker 1: not always. So I'm curious, what do you mean by empowerment?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, So you know, right now in twoenty and
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Speaker 2: twenty one, we don't even use that word anymore of empowerment.
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Speaker 2: But when we started, that's what we felt that we're
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Speaker 2: in empower women to provide them with tools, with resources,
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Speaker 2: with networks to really you know, stand up speak of
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Speaker 2: and getting seats at the table. But I think what
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Speaker 2: we should be focusing more on is how are we
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Speaker 2: providing those resources? Is it equitably shared? Are all women
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Speaker 2: having the opportunity call opportunity to assess resources networks. And
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Speaker 2: that's one of the things about Rise and Lead Women.
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Speaker 2: It's one of the most diverse network you ever seen
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Speaker 2: in Europe. Okay, so it's so diverse because you see
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Speaker 2: people from different nationalities, from different races, and so there's
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Speaker 2: this for us. It's about inclusion right now. It's about
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Speaker 2: inclusion and providing the platform well women can actually empower themselves.
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Speaker 2: So whatever empowerment means, so that women, if it is
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Speaker 2: about you know, equipping getting funding for their business, learning
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Speaker 2: business skills, or learning how to curly a leadership capacity,
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Speaker 2: that's what it is.
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Speaker 1: So whatever it is for that particular individual, it sounds
26:10
Speaker 1: like yes, exactly, yeah, And I love that you talk
26:13
Speaker 1: about you know, for twenty twenty one.
26:16
Speaker 3: You know, empowerment is not what we need.
26:19
Speaker 1: Love, So so let's talk a little bit about leveraging
26:23
Speaker 1: our leadership voice.
26:25
Speaker 3: You know.
26:26
Speaker 1: I love that you said that your mentor reminded you
26:30
Speaker 1: that it's going to take a long time to close
26:33
Speaker 1: the gender gap. I mean, that's you know, really that's
26:35
Speaker 1: transformational work. It's not just change, it's transformation. And so
26:39
Speaker 1: in the meantime, how do we leverage our leadership voice
26:43
Speaker 1: as women to ask for top leadership positions and to
26:48
Speaker 1: really take an active role in closing the gender gap.
26:53
Speaker 2: Well, there are different ways we can do that. One
26:55
Speaker 2: is for ourselves. One is also for using that voice
27:00
Speaker 2: to speak for other women who are still trying to
27:03
Speaker 2: develop their own voices. So, if you have the voice,
27:09
Speaker 2: like Michelle Obama said in one of our speeches, if
27:14
Speaker 2: you are on that table and you're not able to
27:17
Speaker 2: use your voice, you need to get out of that table.
27:20
Speaker 2: Let somebody else voice say there, that's what it is.
27:24
Speaker 2: So if you have that voice already, first advocate for yourself.
27:31
Speaker 2: If you know that you can fill up any role
27:35
Speaker 2: that can move your closer to the executive position, be
27:40
Speaker 2: bold and brave enough to ask for it. Don't wait
27:44
Speaker 2: for permission. Don't wait for any permission. You have a voice,
27:48
Speaker 2: use it, Advocate for yourself. Let them know what you're
27:52
Speaker 2: bringing to the table. I believe so much that women,
27:56
Speaker 2: as women, it's good to be humble, but it's also
28:00
Speaker 2: good to use our voices. We need to have a
28:04
Speaker 2: strong opinion. We need to share our ideas. We can't
28:09
Speaker 2: be hiding behind anybody. Share our ideas, let people go
28:14
Speaker 2: our point of view. That is very important. So when
28:18
Speaker 2: you start sharing ideas, you're saying something that matters, people
28:22
Speaker 2: are going to stop and listen. And so when there
28:26
Speaker 2: is any vacancy or position that requires somebody with such
28:31
Speaker 2: a strong voice, gees who they're going to call you yes,
28:35
Speaker 2: And it's one step. By the time you move to
28:38
Speaker 2: this and you climb to this level, you continue looking
28:41
Speaker 2: for another level, depending on your core values, depending on
28:45
Speaker 2: what you want for your life, because not everybody's going
28:48
Speaker 2: to be at that top leadership position and not going
28:50
Speaker 2: to force anybody because we have different values. Some people
28:54
Speaker 2: just love to suffort from the back. And then another
28:58
Speaker 2: way to use that voice is to start driving changes
29:02
Speaker 2: in your organization. Start using not just for women, also
29:08
Speaker 2: for women of color. It's important that women who already
29:13
Speaker 2: have the voice can start asking why don't we have
29:16
Speaker 2: women of color in our department because in me they
29:19
Speaker 2: don't apply for these jobs. Why don't we have black
29:22
Speaker 2: people in this company. Why don't we represent women from
29:27
Speaker 2: minority groups? What is the curiosity and the questioning that
29:32
Speaker 2: you start bringing changes to your organization, and then maybe
29:37
Speaker 2: you can also start mentoring other women, start encouraging and
29:42
Speaker 2: inspiring other women to rise and lead as well. Yeah,
29:47
Speaker 2: So that's that's the way to leverage your voice, leverage
29:52
Speaker 2: it to drive changes.
29:54
Speaker 3: Yes, thank you.
29:55
Speaker 1: So I just want to just a quick summary of that,
29:58
Speaker 1: because they're so much packed into that. You talked about
30:02
Speaker 1: advocating for yourself. You talked about stepping up and being
30:06
Speaker 1: bold to ask for those positions that you really want,
30:09
Speaker 1: that you know that are going to move you closer
30:11
Speaker 1: to that top leader leadership position. Don't wait and don't
30:17
Speaker 1: ask for permission. I love it. And you know, being
30:22
Speaker 1: about driving change in your organization, mentoring, and in particular,
30:27
Speaker 1: you know, reaching out to women of color, because not
30:30
Speaker 1: only is this about a gender gap, it's also about
30:33
Speaker 1: a color. It's also about you know, I'm kind of
30:38
Speaker 1: in this space. You know, the current language is bipoc right,
30:42
Speaker 1: you know, and I just that is a little bit
30:48
Speaker 1: disturbing to me because what we're talking about are you know,
30:52
Speaker 1: women are the majority in this world on planet Earth.
30:56
Speaker 1: We are the majority, and peoples of color are also
31:00
Speaker 1: of the majority. And so I actually think about this
31:03
Speaker 1: world that you're talking about as the global majority. Okay,
31:08
Speaker 1: and so when we start to reframe like how we
31:11
Speaker 1: think about ourselves, it actually kind of changes how we uh,
31:15
Speaker 1: you know, we see we see ourselves, and how we
31:18
Speaker 1: go about closing that gap.
31:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.
31:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, So so I just want to also ask you.
31:28
Speaker 1: I know you mentioned this a little bit at the
31:30
Speaker 1: top of our conversation, but could you say a little
31:32
Speaker 1: bit more about what inspired you to start rise and Lead.
31:38
Speaker 1: I mean, I know that you, you know, transition from
31:40
Speaker 1: Nigeria to the Netherlands, but there's.
31:42
Speaker 3: Also I'm guessing.
31:46
Speaker 1: There some core value that you have, or some experience
31:50
Speaker 1: or some story that you have in your life that really,
31:54
Speaker 1: you know, that's like really the driver for you.
31:57
Speaker 3: And I could be making that up.
31:58
Speaker 2: So tell me, no, you're not, You're not making it up.
32:03
Speaker 2: You know, everything can be connected. There's always a dots
32:07
Speaker 2: connecting to your past. Okay, So my first job, you know,
32:12
Speaker 2: when I was working in a corporate organization. I lost
32:16
Speaker 2: my job when I was seven months pregnant, and I
32:20
Speaker 2: felt it was unfair. Okay, it was was so unfair
32:23
Speaker 2: because I was working so hard. But now I'm pregnant,
32:26
Speaker 2: you know, I couldn't believer as I used to. Of
32:29
Speaker 2: course they couldn't do it now because but then they
32:33
Speaker 2: could do it. And and I left that job went
32:36
Speaker 2: to start my own business and even became a food
32:42
Speaker 2: because I had a restaurant business that was employing fifty
32:45
Speaker 2: six people. So I was pregnant, you know, having babies
32:49
Speaker 2: and running this big company, Catrin Operations, and then they
32:54
Speaker 2: now these company to call me back to start managing
32:57
Speaker 2: their caterring. So I was pay back, you know, all
33:01
Speaker 2: the money I felt I lost. But then for me
33:04
Speaker 2: it was like, being pregnant is not a crime. It's
33:09
Speaker 2: not you're not sick, doesn't mean it can no longer deliver.
33:12
Speaker 2: Women are capable of much more, and so that has
33:17
Speaker 2: been at the back of my mind to how to
33:20
Speaker 2: inspire women that they can advocate and fight for themselves
33:25
Speaker 2: and fight for other women. And one of my core
33:28
Speaker 2: values is fairness and equity. I want everybody to have
33:33
Speaker 2: equal opportunity to get to to to maximize their potential
33:40
Speaker 2: in life, without any form of bias, without any form
33:44
Speaker 2: of you know, somebody stopping them from getting what they want.
33:48
Speaker 2: And so for me, my way of making sure that
33:53
Speaker 2: women have that equal opportunity is to use my voice
33:58
Speaker 2: to inspire them. So on my latein page, the only
34:02
Speaker 2: thing I do is inspiration kind of inspire women that
34:05
Speaker 2: you don't need any permission, just get up, just if
34:09
Speaker 2: you don't even need confidence to start to start it,
34:14
Speaker 2: can be afraid, but just do it. And all of
34:18
Speaker 2: those things we need to hear it and when they
34:21
Speaker 2: see me that I came from Niguria and within seventy
34:25
Speaker 2: years I've built a massive organization in a foreign company country.
34:30
Speaker 2: You know, no, I don't speak the language, and then
34:35
Speaker 2: I'm still able to network with a lot of the locals.
34:40
Speaker 2: I believe that my life, you know, like as a
34:44
Speaker 2: role model, is to inspire other women to do the
34:49
Speaker 2: same thing. And secondly, secondly, when I started, one of
34:55
Speaker 2: my one of my strongest motivation is this believe that
35:00
Speaker 2: if I can't I if you know, if we can
35:05
Speaker 2: be the change you want to see, we can be
35:07
Speaker 2: the change instead of complaining. So when I was looking
35:11
Speaker 2: for this, uh, I was going around looking for network
35:17
Speaker 2: organizations that support women and women who have companies who
35:23
Speaker 2: are employing people. I couldn't find, especially in the international community.
35:29
Speaker 2: I felt, you know, I can't start it. You know,
35:32
Speaker 2: I'm sure there are women out there who are also
35:34
Speaker 2: looking for this type of organization where they can they
35:41
Speaker 2: don't want to, nobody's going to join them for being ambitious. Okay,
35:45
Speaker 2: so that was really my driving force to even start.
35:49
Speaker 2: But then we, like I said, we have expanded from
35:54
Speaker 2: you know that empowering women think like bring women together.
36:00
Speaker 2: We have recognized we can use our power and our
36:04
Speaker 2: voice to drive changes, you know, diversity and inclusion, which
36:10
Speaker 2: is really and I remember what happened to miss years ago.
36:14
Speaker 2: I want to change that. We of doing anything, whether
36:21
Speaker 2: they are pregnant or they have babies, it doesn't matter.
36:24
Speaker 2: He can do it.
36:26
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I love that, and thank you for that story. Uh.
36:32
Speaker 1: You know, there's usually a burning reason why we begin things,
36:37
Speaker 1: and so I really appreciate your candor and your openness
36:40
Speaker 1: and your vulnerability and sharing that. Uh you know, yeah,
36:44
Speaker 1: I mean you you are an inspiration every ay, and
36:50
Speaker 1: I love that you are talking about be an inspiration,
36:54
Speaker 1: be the change and use our power. We don't have
36:58
Speaker 1: to get power from any place else. We already have it, okay,
37:02
Speaker 1: and exactly have to be confident to start right, you
37:06
Speaker 1: just start do it anyway, do it, you know.
37:09
Speaker 2: I mean I said this all the time. We don't
37:12
Speaker 2: have to wait until your confidence. Just start.
37:16
Speaker 3: Yes, the more.
37:18
Speaker 2: You start, the more you learn, you learn from your
37:20
Speaker 2: mistakes and sometimes when you look back, when I look
37:23
Speaker 2: back at some things I did surprise, come, oh my god,
37:28
Speaker 2: how did I do that? You know, because now I
37:32
Speaker 2: know better? Right, just do it? Just most times we
37:38
Speaker 2: feel people are going to judge of we feel we
37:42
Speaker 2: want to kind of cross all the teas and the
37:46
Speaker 2: dogs and the eyes. That's the problem. Yes, you know
37:49
Speaker 2: we we knnot judge ourselves. We hold ourselves back exactly
37:54
Speaker 2: and we let go of judging ourselves. We realize that
37:57
Speaker 2: notbody's been judging us, and even if they are judging us,
38:01
Speaker 2: and sowhat.
38:02
Speaker 3: And question what is Yes? Yeah, well yeah, I love it.
38:09
Speaker 3: And I know that you have developed a.
38:12
Speaker 1: Platform for conferences and roundtables and you also have a
38:17
Speaker 1: leadership program, Rise to Leadership. Can you say a little
38:21
Speaker 1: bit about that for us?
38:23
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you, and I'm getting to have you in
38:26
Speaker 2: our next Rise and List summits. So, like I said,
38:31
Speaker 2: the summit the res and Lead started as a summit
38:34
Speaker 2: where we brought established leaders from corporate organizations to kind
38:40
Speaker 2: of network with emergent leaders so we can learn from
38:44
Speaker 2: their experiences and their stories. So we have this roundable
38:49
Speaker 2: discussion and we interview a lot of established leaders to
38:53
Speaker 2: kind of hear the backstory behind their rise. So based
38:57
Speaker 2: on my method of leadership development and also with all
39:04
Speaker 2: these top leaders that have been intervened and who are
39:08
Speaker 2: also part of my community, the Inclusive leaders Around Table,
39:13
Speaker 2: you know, which is where we bring corporate leaders together
39:17
Speaker 2: to co create events with them, co create programs with
39:22
Speaker 2: them that would drive gender diversity and inclusion in their workplaces.
39:27
Speaker 2: So I felt we also have to develop I started
39:30
Speaker 2: developing this curriculum based on these five steps I share
39:34
Speaker 2: with you, and the first one is called right to Leadership.
39:39
Speaker 2: Program is all about helping supporting women to elevate their
39:44
Speaker 2: career to top leadership. And so we are helping women
39:48
Speaker 2: to kind of find their leadership style, find their leadership voice,
39:54
Speaker 2: set in a board vision, understand who they are their self,
39:59
Speaker 2: how create greater self awareness about who they and then
40:04
Speaker 2: know the value they are bringing. And then we teach
40:08
Speaker 2: and also bring executives to mentor We're bringing executive leaders
40:12
Speaker 2: from like from the MasterCard, from your peers, the vice
40:17
Speaker 2: president there from Sales Force, and they're coming also alongside
40:23
Speaker 2: with me, and of course I'm inviting you officially as well,
40:27
Speaker 2: so we can help to create transformation in our women,
40:32
Speaker 2: so that at the end of nine weeks, they we
40:36
Speaker 2: suddenly see themselves speaking up raising, using their voices, trying
40:43
Speaker 2: to drive changes. Because we've seen a lot of testimonials
40:47
Speaker 2: in our platform since we started, you know, the kind
40:49
Speaker 2: of things people say that because of you, and I'll
40:53
Speaker 2: have a voice because of you. I started this business
40:56
Speaker 2: because of you. So I've felt we should kind of
40:59
Speaker 2: package you as a program to support women to rise
41:03
Speaker 2: to leadership. And that's what it is.
41:07
Speaker 1: Excellent, excellent, Well congratulations And is this a public program
41:13
Speaker 1: or is it private by invitation?
41:15
Speaker 2: Uh?
41:16
Speaker 1: If I wanted to join and I am a listener,
41:19
Speaker 1: how might I get in contact with you?
41:21
Speaker 2: Okay, it's it's a paid program. And so we have
41:25
Speaker 2: like on our website, Rise and Lead it's still on
41:29
Speaker 2: the Rise and Lead Summit dot com slash institute. So
41:34
Speaker 2: once you click on that, I'll send you the link
41:37
Speaker 2: as well, Rise and Lead summits dot com slash institute.
41:43
Speaker 2: And so that's you see their ses page and see
41:46
Speaker 2: what you know you get. So, so we have five
41:52
Speaker 2: modules and we also have four mentorship sections executives and
41:57
Speaker 2: you know, we meet every almost every week for nine
42:01
Speaker 2: weeks for one hour to one and a half hours,
42:05
Speaker 2: and so everything is on that website and then people
42:09
Speaker 2: can register to join us and also be able to
42:13
Speaker 2: network with women leaders in Europe.
42:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, excellent. Yes, it is so important, especially these days.
42:22
Speaker 3: You know, we are a global village.
42:24
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yes, yes, thank you so much.
42:30
Speaker 1: Ray for your energy, for your focus, for your drive,
42:34
Speaker 1: your passion, and for your inspiration. Thank you for being
42:38
Speaker 1: a guest on my podcast. And we will get the
42:41
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42:45
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42:48
Speaker 1: for ourselves, passing it on.
42:50
Speaker 2: That's it. We need to start amplifying those voices. Yes,
42:54
Speaker 2: that's what we do. And thank you Gloria for having me.
42:58
Speaker 2: I'm so happy to have met through our mutual friend Arie. Yes,
43:05
Speaker 2: I'll tell Aria about it. Thank you so much. I'll
43:08
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43:09
Speaker 3: Thank you.
43:10
Speaker 1: Likewise, likewise so inspiring, rock solid gold. Clearly, Eberet Akatie
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Speaker 1: is a leader's leader. She makes a difference in her
43:24
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43:27
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43:31
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43:36
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43:41
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43:46
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43:53
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43:56
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44:04
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44:09
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