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7-22: Gregg is back! Mariners, Seahawks and NFL sales talk · The Gregg Bell Show

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  Speaker 1: Now from the Star Rentals sports desk your ninety three
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  Speaker 1: point three KGRFM sports headlines.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning, I from Jimmy's on First. Across the street
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  Speaker 2: from the yard, it's headlines about you by Frostbooit Corps.
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  Speaker 2: I choose chill Mariners many winning streaks over That was
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  Speaker 2: four to two to the Reds last night. Across the
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  Speaker 2: street from here, Hey whu Henio Suarez. Homward offers former
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  Speaker 2: MS early and off former Red start at Uist Castillo.
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  Speaker 2: The Reds built a three to nothing lead. Manners are
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  Speaker 2: chasing the game the rest of the night. More interesting
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  Speaker 2: bullpen decisions late that we'll get into. Julia Rodriguez did
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  Speaker 2: not start yet came into the game. We'll also talk
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  Speaker 2: about that Marris fall back out of first plaice half
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  Speaker 2: game behind Texas. The top of the American League West
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  Speaker 2: Final game at Homestand is today. Twelve forty first pitch
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  Speaker 2: Emerson Hancock will throw that for the Mariners. Then they
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  Speaker 2: go to Texas to play the Rangers this weekend. Two
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  Speaker 2: days now until all Seahawk veterans are due to report
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  Speaker 2: for training camp. As we've seen some veterans reported early
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  Speaker 2: in taking their physicals. Three days until the first practice
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  Speaker 2: of camp on Saturday at the Virginia Mason A f
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  Speaker 2: Letic Center in Renton. I will be there. The Seahawks
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  Speaker 2: signed former Duke and Oregon cornerback Brandon Johnson. He played
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  Speaker 2: three games as a rookie last season, mostly on the
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  Speaker 2: Philadelphia Eagles practice squad seataway veteran Harrison Bryant tight end
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  Speaker 2: they signed this spring. The NFL and HBO announced they're
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  Speaker 2: going to move up the first episode airing date of
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  Speaker 2: the Seahawks on training camp Hard Knocks. It's now going
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  Speaker 2: to be on August to fourth, a week earlier than planned.
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  Speaker 3: I want to know how must watch this is for
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  Speaker 3: Seahawks fans.
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  Speaker 2: I bet it's gonna be. I bet it will be.
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  Speaker 2: They're really curious to see the inner workings of it
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  Speaker 2: and things that I see and I can't always report well.
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  Speaker 2: Now the NFL films will report that final episodes. First
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  Speaker 2: episode on August fourth. Final episode is September one, of course,
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  Speaker 2: that's eight days before the Seahawks begin the NFL season
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  Speaker 2: against the Patriots. Remember this the first time in twenty
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  Speaker 2: by the years of defending Super Bowl champion, it has
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  Speaker 2: been featured on Hard Knocks. The very first Hard Knocks
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  Speaker 2: had the Baltimore Ravens of twenty twenty one, coming off
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  Speaker 2: their Super Bowl win. The World Cup Finals Sunday beating
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  Speaker 2: Spain and Argentina had sixty million viewers in the United States.
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  Speaker 2: It's more than why any of the NFL Conference championship
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  Speaker 2: games in January. In fact, many many Januaries, that World
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  Speaker 2: Cup Final Sunday was the most watched sporting event outside
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  Speaker 2: of Super Bowl in the United States since the nineteen
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  Speaker 2: ninety four Winter Olympics. The Tanya Hardy, Nancy.
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  Speaker 3: Kerrigan, Mike and I turned around at a ferry dock
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  Speaker 3: to watch it.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: We were traveling, We were outside of service zone and
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  Speaker 3: we were like, the ferry line is short, but okay,
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  Speaker 3: we have to watch this.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, work up. Still fallout from even a third
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  Speaker 2: place game for fifteen million viewers. Yeah, I watched that too, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: You weren't alone. Now on with the Wednesday show thanks
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  Speaker 2: to Mike Benton, the captain, who was filling in most
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  Speaker 2: of the I think I had Jackson Felts in here on.
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  Speaker 4: We did on Monday. It was just perfect.
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  Speaker 3: We needed furious Belts, FIFA Feldts and I coined him
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  Speaker 3: genuine Jackson with some of his takes.
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  Speaker 4: So he's got a lot of nicknames.
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  Speaker 3: But furious, right, No, he wasn't, and he was pretty
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  Speaker 3: he was furious about the Sounders Friday match, but he
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  Speaker 3: was very, very sound on Spain winning and that was
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  Speaker 3: the right team to win it.
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  Speaker 2: Spain winning the World Cup. That's sixty million people in
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  Speaker 2: the United States. That's a massive number for television in
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  Speaker 2: this country.
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  Speaker 3: But like I was saying, I'm not a soccer first person,
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  Speaker 3: and but the World Cup always draws me in. And
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  Speaker 3: Mike and I were coming back from a camping trip
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  Speaker 3: and pulled over when we had a very short fairy line,
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  Speaker 3: but had to like, we just went to this Kingston
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  Speaker 3: pub and had to watch the whole thing, and we
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  Speaker 3: stayed for the whole.
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  Speaker 4: Thing because I'm like, well.
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  Speaker 3: The next fairies now they just went to extra time
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  Speaker 3: and we just decided to stay.
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  Speaker 2: That's the Northwestern's dilemma, the fairy or the event you're
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  Speaker 2: at exactly. That sounds so Northwest. On the show today,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna You're gonna hear me ask NICKI even worry
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  Speaker 2: about his sprained ankle from the Super Bowl and after
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  Speaker 2: that's now become a topic. We know about that. We'll
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  Speaker 2: talk about what the Seahawks are likely doing by put
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  Speaker 2: emon worry on the physically unable to perform lists to
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  Speaker 2: begin training camp. I wrote about that yesterday and my
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  Speaker 2: flight back from Detroit at the News Tribune news Tribune
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  Speaker 2: dot com. By the way to get out, I had
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  Speaker 2: five am flight out of Detroit, which meant I had
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  Speaker 2: to get up at three and drive.
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  Speaker 4: Yep. I got on Zach Garrett and a.
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  Speaker 2: Midnight Pacific time on Monday night is when I got
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  Speaker 2: up and Man, every time i'd lead to go to
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  Speaker 2: the East Coast, it reminds me how far we live
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  Speaker 2: from everybody I know. Every flight takes forever.
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  Speaker 3: So well, yeah, I guess I did Australia last month,
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  Speaker 3: and so I'm like, that's why I decided to go
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  Speaker 3: to New York for a weekend.
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  Speaker 4: Like I didn't take a day off work.
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  Speaker 3: Thirty six hours there, I was like, yeah, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: crush this, and I'm like, I'm still not recovered from
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  Speaker 3: the time change.
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  Speaker 2: No, that's a long, long flight through Australia obviously makes sure.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I met the New York one even East
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  Speaker 3: Coast and you know, I was. I took a red
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  Speaker 3: eye and I was good to go, good to go,
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  Speaker 3: come back. I got back at like midnight on Sunday night,
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  Speaker 3: came to work the next morning, and I felt okay,
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  Speaker 3: and then I'm like, man, I have not recovered.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll take me a couple of days. Yeah, smoked.
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  Speaker 2: Yesterday I got to see my mom, my twin sister.
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  Speaker 2: My mom's ninety. It was awesome.
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  Speaker 4: You got a lot of twins in your family.
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  Speaker 2: We do. I have twin. My wife and I have twins,
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  Speaker 2: and I have a twin as well. But yeah, it
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  Speaker 2: was great to see. If she's ninety plowing through, doesn't
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  Speaker 2: remember me. Thinks I might her husband, my dad, but
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  Speaker 2: that's whatever it is, that's real.
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  Speaker 4: You must take after him.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, she's like a pictures from the nineteen fifties
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  Speaker 2: and their high school yearbook. I was. I brought up
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  Speaker 2: to have her look at and oh there we are, like, no, mom,
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  Speaker 2: that's dead. Oh those of you are listening, and some
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  Speaker 2: of you maybe that stage of life with parents and
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  Speaker 2: elder care. And it's wild the dementia, how fickle and
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  Speaker 2: flip it and she can be with it. She played
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  Speaker 2: Uno and then Boom doesn't remember who I am, and yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's uh, it's challenge. It is a challenging part of
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  Speaker 2: life for sure. Unfortunately. Another example last night the Mariners
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  Speaker 2: thinking about winning tomorrow's game instead of one they're playing
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  Speaker 2: in and then they lost again. I mean, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: ask you just about the night then I was just
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  Speaker 2: I was like, wait, what is this a spring training game.
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  Speaker 2: At eleven o'clock, we'll talk to Irwin Kishner. He's a
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  Speaker 2: partner and co chair of the Sports Law Group at
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  Speaker 2: Herrick in New York City. We're gonna talk about the
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  Speaker 2: Seahawks new owners and then the unique process of selling
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  Speaker 2: a sports team out of an estate. Of course to
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  Speaker 2: Paul Gialla State selling the Seahawks for a record nine
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  Speaker 2: point six billion dollars and the sale is to be
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  Speaker 2: completed the presumed boat on August to twenty six. Among
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  Speaker 2: other NFL owners. We'll talk about what happened next in
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  Speaker 2: this process with that, and what the Seahawks sale means
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  Speaker 2: to the expansion cause for the Sonics to return to Seattle,
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  Speaker 2: plus all other sports franchises are When Kissner Sports Law
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  Speaker 2: Group at Herrick in New York City's gonna talk about
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  Speaker 2: that at eleven o'clock eleven thirty talkbacks and your text
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  Speaker 2: and the Takoma Dodge text line fort ninety four five.
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  Speaker 2: One first question, I'm gonna ask it for the text line,
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  Speaker 2: we'll read it back to eleven thirty. What was your
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  Speaker 2: reaction when the marriage brought in Michael Rucker last night,
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  Speaker 2: last man in the bullpen, triple a pitcher to keep
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  Speaker 2: it a three to two game in the top of
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  Speaker 2: the ninth last night, Just when you were sitting behind
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  Speaker 2: third base, were you just like.
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  Speaker 3: Well, okay, so I had I'd like to walk around
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  Speaker 3: the whole stadium get every single vantage point. But I
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  Speaker 3: had one of those I need binoculars moments because who
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  Speaker 3: how are they bringing in right now? I was a
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  Speaker 3: little confused. And then obviously we saw what happened.
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  Speaker 2: Last man in the bullpen and the three to two
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  Speaker 2: game that was with spy arrested. Yeah, they could have
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  Speaker 2: brought bizarre come in. I don't like to.
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  Speaker 3: Question people who are baseball smarter than me, but I
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  Speaker 3: do have some questions.
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  Speaker 4: Well, we'll hear from Dan Wilson.
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  Speaker 2: Dan Wilson explained it after the game, and his explanation
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  Speaker 2: just makes you think wait a minute, Why are we
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  Speaker 2: looking about tomorrow's game when it's three to two in
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  Speaker 2: the ninth in this game.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one of the things that I think this
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  Speaker 3: whole organization, we've heard it from Jerry from a long time.
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  Speaker 2: Back, said that because that's where it starts. It does.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, at the end of the end of
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  Speaker 3: the day, but we have heard that for a very
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  Speaker 3: long time.
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  Speaker 4: We're building towards this, we're building towards that.
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  Speaker 3: And we see that there's everything you have, mainly the
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  Speaker 3: pitching staff that we've seen them have over many years.
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  Speaker 3: This is not just one pitching staff that we've seen
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  Speaker 3: be phenomenal. You know, we made a verb out of
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  Speaker 3: getting felixed. So yeah, so when you see this building, well, okay,
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  Speaker 3: we I feel like the fan base is constantly hearing
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  Speaker 3: that they're building towards something and we don't know what
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  Speaker 3: it's gonna be until September.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, last night that was tough.
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  Speaker 4: I stayed for the whole time.
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  Speaker 2: I'd be I think probably you four to two, they lose,
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  Speaker 2: Rucker gives up a home run the first bat. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you knew it was gonna happen. It's funny watching Mariner games.
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  Speaker 2: You usually can't don't know the script of baseball games.
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  Speaker 2: You know the script of Mariners games. Things happened that,
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  Speaker 2: oh they're bringing in a lefty, here comes ref nighter
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  Speaker 2: when he was healthy. I mean, you just know things
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  Speaker 2: are gonna happen by watching the Marriners. Yeah, but you
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  Speaker 2: didn't know Rucker was coming in. But then you did
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  Speaker 2: know when Rutcker came in it was not gonna be
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  Speaker 2: a three to two game by the bottom of the ninth,
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  Speaker 2: and it wasn't Mariners lose four to two. First question
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  Speaker 2: for the four nine, four to five one to come
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  Speaker 2: to Dodge text on your reaction when they brought in
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  Speaker 2: Michael Rutger last night. You'll hear from Dan Wilson here
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  Speaker 2: later in the show about his explanation for that. Jessman,
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  Speaker 2: you've got a new sideline duty this year, not that
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  Speaker 2: you have a new job, but you're gonna make a
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  Speaker 2: different sideline in Martin Stadium. I Washing State Cougars yesterday
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  Speaker 2: announced that for football games the coups are switching sides.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to go from the student section side opposite
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  Speaker 2: the press box to the press box side of Martin
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  Speaker 2: Stadium and Pulman where the season ticket holders in a
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  Speaker 2: lump set. Yeah, and now the visiting team is going
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  Speaker 2: to be in front of the rowdies, the Zoo crew
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  Speaker 2: on the studios.
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  Speaker 3: I think that it's honestly probably a good power move. Also,
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to appreciate the more shade that I get
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  Speaker 3: during those hot days out there. But when it comes
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  Speaker 3: to at first, I was like, huh, and I'm totally
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  Speaker 3: going to walk to the wrong sideline. I've been I've
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  Speaker 3: done it for fourteen seasons. I'm totally gonna mess up.
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  Speaker 2: For those of you who don't know, Jessmin McIntyre is
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  Speaker 2: the sideline reporter on the radio broadcast for the Washington
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  Speaker 2: State Football Network. That's what we're talking about here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're a U dub fan, I am the
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  Speaker 3: Eliset Woodward of the Koks.
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  Speaker 4: But anyway, yeah, I.
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  Speaker 3: First it was questionable, and then I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: maybe Kirby Moore on this new stuff. Maybe Harlowe, our
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  Speaker 3: new athletic director, was like, hmm, we see how we're
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  Speaker 3: out of the are we see the airplane? Yeah, those
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  Speaker 3: little airplane shots of fireball flying through the air and everything.
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  Speaker 3: Why do we need our guys in front of that.
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  Speaker 3: Let's have it in front of the opponents. I feel
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  Speaker 3: like there's a competitive edge that they're doing over there. Plus,
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  Speaker 3: there is a lot more shade on the other sideline,
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  Speaker 3: and why are we catering to those people? Plus, like
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  Speaker 3: you said, season ticket holders, donors get to be closer
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  Speaker 3: to the student athletes.
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  Speaker 2: I assume parents as well in that group that would
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  Speaker 2: be closer to their players.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, absolutely, absolutely, there's a ton of it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: there's a ton of reasons. I was just confused because
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  Speaker 3: I never thought about it like that, like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 3: why And then I'm like, oh, there's so many whys.
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  Speaker 4: This makes a ton of sense.
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  Speaker 2: The last time I was at a Coup game was
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  Speaker 2: the season opener a couple of seasons ago, when they
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  Speaker 2: played Portland State on Labor Day weekenders. Our sun was there.
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  Speaker 2: My wife and I drove over for it. It was
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  Speaker 2: like two hundred degrees for a Saturday noon kickoff.
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  Speaker 4: It was really hot that night.
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  Speaker 2: Hot. I went over to I was sitting in the
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  Speaker 2: edge of the student section. My son had gotten us
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  Speaker 2: the tickets.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you screamed my name.
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  Speaker 2: I screamed dec his name. And it's hard down there.
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  Speaker 2: And man and it LOIOK hot for you.
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  Speaker 3: I think you said I was wearing a sweatshirt. I'm like, no,
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  Speaker 3: it was a windbreaker. Any protection from the sun because
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  Speaker 3: I don't have multiple times to apply on screen with
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, I sweat a lot. I actually had to
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  Speaker 3: go sit in the shade and one of the trainers
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  Speaker 3: checked up on me because I'm like, I am gonna
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  Speaker 3: lose it. I drank thirteen Gatorades that day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that you won't have that in the open
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  Speaker 2: games of Martin Stadium this year because now they'll be
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  Speaker 2: on the sunshine. So of course some of them be
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  Speaker 2: at night games for the Coon's football season.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we kick off later, but here in Seattle we
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  Speaker 3: kick off but later in the season. I'm usually used
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  Speaker 3: to the last week and in August. Yeah, September sixth,
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  Speaker 3: the quote unquote Apple Cup.
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  Speaker 2: September sixth, Apple Cup in here where it's here, it's
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  Speaker 2: a Husky stadium.
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  Speaker 4: Though not yes, oh yeah, not at Luhman.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, okay, So college football is beginning in about
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  Speaker 2: a month's time and some change. NFL football is beginning
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  Speaker 2: starting the next couple days is when training camps get going.
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  Speaker 2: It's based on the first day of your first preseason
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  Speaker 2: game date, and then they back date for that from
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  Speaker 2: fifteen to seventeen days or so. The Seahawks first preseason
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  Speaker 2: game is August fifteenth against the Dallas Cowboys across the
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  Speaker 2: street from us here at Lumenfield Training Camp already starting
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  Speaker 2: this week in the sense the players have been reporting.
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  Speaker 2: The rookies had to report by last week, by Friday,
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  Speaker 2: and then this week veterans have been reporting, including nick
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  Speaker 2: emun Warri. I'm sure you and Mike and everybody talked
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  Speaker 2: about that. Yesterday the news of Nicki monworry got on
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  Speaker 2: the physically enable to perform list. But the reason why
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  Speaker 2: he's even on that list already and there's not camp
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  Speaker 2: starting till Saturday, is that when the players, all NFL
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  Speaker 2: players in all teams, when they come back for the
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  Speaker 2: start a training camp, they have to take a physical exam.
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  Speaker 2: They show up, they put their stuff down at their locker,
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  Speaker 2: and they go straight into the exam and the physic physicals.
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  Speaker 2: If you don't pass the physical for whatever reason, you
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  Speaker 2: can't begin start practicing until you do. And that's why
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  Speaker 2: Nicki Monmoory's on the physically able to perform list stemming
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  Speaker 2: it. It seems we assume from the sprained ankle that he
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  Speaker 2: got four days in practice in four days before the
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  Speaker 2: Super Bowl, that at San Jose State in early February
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  Speaker 2: at about ten forty five. You're gonna hear from Nicki
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  Speaker 2: mon Woreri. You're gonna hear me ask him during mini
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  Speaker 2: camp in June last month about that ankle, playing in
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  Speaker 2: it in the Super Bowl, how affected he was by that,
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  Speaker 2: and how affected he has been in the off season
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  Speaker 2: in his rehab from that, what he has been doing.
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  Speaker 2: You'll hear from Nicky Morworrey talking about that again. I
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  Speaker 2: will talk about later the show. But to the bottom
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  Speaker 2: line up front on that news is if you're on
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  Speaker 2: the physic and able to perform list, the pupp list
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  Speaker 2: to begin training camp, you can come off of it
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  Speaker 2: at any time. Yeah, that's one reason why this seems
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  Speaker 2: like a short term injury lists.
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  Speaker 3: That's a good notation that, like bo I don't think
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people know.
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  Speaker 4: Greg, Yes, that you can so at any time at
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  Speaker 4: any time season.
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  Speaker 2: It's different, correct, Yeah, if you start on the pup
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  Speaker 2: lit Now, only players who are on the pup list
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  Speaker 2: to begin training camp are eligible to be on the
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  Speaker 2: pup list to begin the regular season. If you're on
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  Speaker 2: the regular season pupplist to begin the regular season, you
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  Speaker 2: have to miss the first four games, right if you're
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  Speaker 2: on the pup list in training camp. Not so he
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  Speaker 2: could come in theoretically, he could pass his physical on Saturday,
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  Speaker 2: the first day of practice, and practice on Sunday. So
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  Speaker 2: that's one reason why this is injury list light for
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  Speaker 2: even worry, and it's a sign that the marit the
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  Speaker 2: Seahawks don't believe it's a long term absence. The other
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: reason is popp list players count on the ninety man
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: offseason row preseason roster, not like injured reserve. You go
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: on injured reserve, and to start a training camp, you're done.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: You're out for the season. And that's for major, major injuries.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: And we don't anticipate any Seahawks to be announced for
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: not even Zach Charbonay, who they think will be back
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: from his reconstructive knee surgery from February, perhaps during the
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: fall and maybe a few games into the season or more.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: But the fact that you still count against the ninety
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: man roster and the fact that you can return to
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: practice at any point during training camp day one, day
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: two day fifteen, day twenty. Those are the two signs
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: for the pup list that the Seahawks don't think. This
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: is nick Demon Warry thing is a big deal. When
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: I was flying back yesterday, I saw a bunch of
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: reports even Monday night. Oh, nick Eman Warrior is on
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: the pup list. Holy count would.
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: Because people don't understand the difference.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: There's a nuance to it. Yeah, yeah, and exactly. It
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: is not the injured reserve list. It is not even
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: the non football injuries. The POPPL to start training camp
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: is a stowaway place. And in fact, the Seahawks, in
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: my mind, are doing this to protect them worry from himself,
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: to keep him from doing too much too soon in
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: July and August when they don't need him to.
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: He kind of strikes us as that kind of player.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Correct, and he's only in his second NFL season.
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: And that's why I love him.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: He talked last month about wanting to improve this and
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: improve that, improve himself to be a lead on all
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: downs and improve and run support and be a more
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: complete player. He's not going to come out half stepping
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: at training camp, so this makes him dials him back
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: the rules of the pupp list are that a player
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: cannot participate in practice on the field, but can do
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: everything else. He can be in the weight room, he
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: can be in the meeting rooms. He's obviously in the
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: locker room with the players. He's in defensive position in
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: defensive team meetings, so he's doing everything but on the
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: grass drills. He can be in a training room. We
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: can be the rehab, medical facilities, all of that.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, give me that job for obviously not
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: the athletic talent, but give me that. Get massages, going
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: in ice school, give me a plunge, give me a
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: son like I want all of that injure.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Me all while making a couple million dollars a year.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah I don't do that either, but suffice to say,
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: call off the alarm bells on Nicky mo worry being
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: on the puppish. Yes it was noticeable. Yes it was
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: a surprise because he had again participated in all the
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: off season OTA practices, mini camp practice. I saw him
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: out there. He's in the middle of the defense McDonald
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: moving him around, and then he shows up on the puplish.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: You know, hey what, but it it seems like it
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: stems from the ankle Injin unless he's done something to
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: aggravate that since mid June, or if he has a
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: new injury from left over from mini camp, we'll see.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's just a major deal. I know
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: that it's The Seahawks think it's temporary by the nature
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: of the list they put him on. But the fact
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: they put him on early in the week is because
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: even reported early, they also put Kenny McIntosh on the
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: pup list, which was not nearly the surprise. McIntosh had
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: reconstructive knee surgery after a knee injury early in training
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: camp last year. Yea, there is a belief that he
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: will come back at some point this season, and they
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: hope during training camp, but in the meantime put him
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: on pup with the possibility of putting him on the
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: pup list to begin the regular season as well. So
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: we'll you'll hear from Nick demon worry coming up at
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: about ten forty five. But I'm next, you're gonna talk
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: about the Mariners. They keep taking tomorrow's game and winning
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: that one instead of going all into the one they're playing.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: We'll talk about that next ninety three point three kJ RFM,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Welcome back, rag Bell. I'm jes A McIntyre back with
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: you am the noon every weekday on ninety three point
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: three kJ RFM. I'm live from Jimmy's on First in
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: the Silver Cloud in right across the street from T
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Mobile Park, where the Mariners and Reds will play a
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: twelve forty matinee to finish the homestand I'm surprised how
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: many people are here the restaurants.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: I love it.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Wednesday in July, go Jimmy's already eighty five degrees down here.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be ninety five today. It's fleet week, so
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: there are Navy officers across the street from me, and
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Navy sailors.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: Oh boy, they're on leave.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's true, the Coast Guard ships.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: I know that might stick in your crawl a little bit, but.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: A little bit in their white uniform, but they're across
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: the street. Big crowd already massing. I mean it's about
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: not quite World Cup level crowd down here. Of course,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: there'll be about half as many people thirty one thousand
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: probably today for the Mariners and the Reds. And then
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: the Mariners have a day off tomorrow to head to
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Texas where they play the Rangers, who are currently in
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: first place in the American League West by a half
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: game over the Marias, who are dead at five hundred,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: dead set at five. They're not dead, they looked at
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: at the end of the game last night. They're dead
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: even at five hundred. The Rangers are one game over
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: five hundred. Rangers and Mariners three game series in Arlington
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: this weekend after this homestand finale today for the Mariners.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: If you wonder why it happened, a Wednesday afternoon Mattin
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Egg game. By the way, a lot of the East
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Coast teams when they come into Seattle then are going
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: home or somewhere else on the East Coast after playing
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: a series finale in Seattle, and so they last game
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: the Mariners for a getaway afternoon game in the city.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: And there's limits to how many afternoon games the Mariners
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: could play because of traffic and the business traffic downtown.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: But every East Coast team asked for this, and most teams.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: There are some teams that wouldn't give it, like Texas
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Speck of the Day when they played outdoors, they wouldn't
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: give getaway days because they didn't want to play in
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: the one hundred five degree heat in Arlington, Texas, so
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: they would play teams would played getaway night games in
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Arlington before getting back to the West Coast when I
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: was covering ball. But that's the reason the Mariners have
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: a lot of end of home stand and end of
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: series matinee in the middle of the week games.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: Well. Yeah, and even on a hot day like this,
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: the stadium is so comfortable to be in. Yes, it
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: is just like even when it rains, I was explaining.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: I was talking had Scott Boris on with Softy and
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Dick yesterday and I was talking to his team while
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: he was doing the interview, and they were talking about
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: the different stadiums that they've been to, because they've been
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: to all of them.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: But they were like, is it like Minnesota is their class?
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: I'm like, no, even when you're inside, you're outside, it's
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: like the biggest gazebo you've ever been in.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: That's what SOFI Stadium in England is the same thing
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: with open sides. Yeah and yeah. By the way, Scott Boris,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: the mega agent, also represents Kate Anderson, the phenom pitcher
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: is going to be up. It seems any month. They're
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: any week now. For the Mariners into the rotation or
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: a Rose arena and the brand new number one draft
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: pick who signed yesterday for the.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: Marriage Ace Rees.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Ace Reese Is signed sealed twenty fourth overall pick and
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: represented by Scott Boris who used to represent Kyle Rawley
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: until Kyle Rawley changed agents and got a new extension done.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: They did not get into that yesterday.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: No, I doubt they did. There's a history there. Last
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: night in the game, a Johanno Suarez hit his second
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: of two early home runs off Luis Castier. So the
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: ms are chasing game right away, down three to nothing,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: they get it to win three to two going to
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: the ninth inning because they had won eight nothing the
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: night before. Remember Monday night, the entire bullpen of high
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: leverage dudes were available. They had Spire rested and available,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: They had Bizardo. They even had Andre's Munnos if they
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: wanted to use them, although they don't use them unless
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: it's a tie game or safe situation. They're just one
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: of their rules. None of those dudes pitched. They were
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: available last night in a three to two game for
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: the ninth inning, it was triple a pitcher Michael Rutcker
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: first batter Rutger faces in a three to two game.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: This is what happened last hands for the Reds. Right here,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: They've got the last half of the warder coming up,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: and they want to face the right hand or and.
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: Michael Rucker, and Low drives the spoil of Lutfield a
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: Rose Arena, fading way back opposite.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Way and gone.
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: He has put out of power Teror Blake a dozen
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: for Low. That's a big insurance run. It's four two
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: Reds in the night, a lot oft four game hitting streak,
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: but during that streak three home runs and now six.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: RBIs momentum over game over. There's the Reds TV call
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: of home run last night by Low that made a
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: three to two game of four to two game MS
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: go meekly in the bottom of the ninth lose four
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: to two. Magic Dan Wilson was asked after the game,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: why you put Rutger it instead of Spire, Bizarro or
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: anything else anybody?
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: Dan?
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: For the ninth obviously won one game.
• 24:37
  Speaker 7: You had Rutger pitch yesterday, Spider and Bizarrego didn't go yesterday.
• 24:42
  Speaker 7: Just what kind of went into that decision and wrot
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: those guys down in.
• 24:45
  Speaker 8: That not any I mean, you know, you know, again
• 24:48
  Speaker 8: with with being down in that situation, you know we've
• 24:52
  Speaker 8: got a quick turnaround again tomorrow, and so you know
• 24:56
  Speaker 8: you've got to weigh all your options there. And uh,
• 24:58
  Speaker 8: you know, Rock did throw the ball extremely well last night,
• 25:00
  Speaker 8: and you know I thought he threw the ball well too,
• 25:03
  Speaker 8: just you know, Lowe was able to get him there
• 25:05
  Speaker 8: that first first batter of the inning. But outside that,
• 25:08
  Speaker 8: you know, continued to throw the ball well.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: He pitched well the night before and an ate nothing game,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: not exactly high leverage.
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: That was a pretty tough situation that he was put in.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: When when you hear him say we have a tight
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: a short turnaround tomorrow. As soon as I heard him
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: say that might come on, we've talked about this. You
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: give away games in June and July, and then you
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: have a struggle in September to win the division. This
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: division sucks. Win the division now by winning these games
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: and going for the win. Now, yeah, they're down three two,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: but don't bring in your lowest leverage triple a guy
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: in the top of the ninth who pitched the night before.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Over rested dudes, just because you have a game again
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: the next afternoon. You may not have a safe situation
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: or a high leverage situation the next day. Who knows
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: what the next day brings might be liking it strikes
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: in the middle of the afternoon, Who knows what's gonna
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: happen the next day? You know what's happening right in
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: front of you? How did that strike you? Four nine
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: four five one to come a dodge tech line. And
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: I will say this, when a manager says that when
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: he's looking at beyond the game, he's watching from the
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: dugout that comes from higher, that is not a manager
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: managing by his gut. He's managing by a plan that's
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: laid out for him by the general manager and the
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: team president going into a series, going into a game.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: And we talked to Jim Bowden about this. We talked
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: to Steve Phillips about this, about how baseball has really
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: the advent of the analytics and the numbers driven analysis
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: of what to make decisions during a game, how it's
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: changed baseball, and that general managers now meet with managers
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: daily at times before games on game plans used to
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: be We've talked about Steve Phillips talked about this used
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: to be a general manager would meet with the manager,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: maybe at the beginning of a series, maybe begin at
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: the beginning of a week. Here's who's here's who would
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: write what not when we went on to stay away
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: from I'm in the bullpen, here are the situations who
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: we might want to use these guys and then let
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: the manager manage. Not now because of all the numbers
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: and the analytics and rest days and rest pitches and
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: number pick all the stuff that goes into their over
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: analytics of baseball today, you get this kind of stuff
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: where the manager says, well, we got a short turn
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: around them. Would you ever hear Loup Penella's say we
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: got a short term say why the hellp we lose
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: this game?
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Right? I feel like it's a little unfair to Dan actually,
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: just because what else is he supposed to say in
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: that situation.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: And yeah, both Steve Phillips and.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Jim Bowden told us that times have changed and it's
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: very different and they're not surprised that this is the
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: way it is.
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: But we're never gonna find out.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: On the media side, We're we're never gonna find out
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: exactly who's.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: Pulling triggers back there.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: But I don't know what else Dan could have said
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: in that situation.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Just don't say we got a game tomorrow.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Well, it's kind of going back to what I was
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: saying earlier, is that this fan base is kind of
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: like throttled by though we're building to something you're you're
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: gonna see eventually, right, you know, it's like too much exactly.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: And but I mean when he said that, the first
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: thing I thought was, come on, when the game you're in.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: But the second thing I thought definitely was this is
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: from hire you have to This is Dan Wilson saying
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: yes and doing exactly what he's been hired to do,
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: which is carry out the wishes of the front office
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: and above. I just wish Dan Wilson could manage the
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: game himself. And maybe he isn't good at it. Maybe
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: it is that he has a black spot in his
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: head about and just a blind spot toward using bullpen
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: guys and the wrong instincts that the wrong. Maybe it is,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: but I suspect that he isn't pulling all those triggers
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: and levers and that he is, like you said, Jessman,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: what's he gonna say after the game. Well, my GM
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: and president told me I have to do it this way.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: Well, he's not gonna say that.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: No, he's obviously not gonna say that, but I mean.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: He I think he handled it pretty well considering Okay,
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: why did you make that decision? Well, he threw it
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: well yesterday, Like he's not going to say I don't know,
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: or I got a call to the bullpen or I'm
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: sorry to the dugout from upstairs.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: Like he can't say that. So I just don't blame Dan.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: I don't either. I think he is a product of
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: the people who hired him, and the reason he's here
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: is because of this situation. Because he'll say yes and
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: he'll carry out the duties. And that's why they don't
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: have a Joe Madden or an Alex Korra or anybody else.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: That's why they're not going to make a decision a
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: managerial change in the middle of the season. This is
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: the guy that handpicked. He never managed before, does like
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Scott Servers, he'd never managed before. He is hand picked
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: for this job. Why is he hand picked because he
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: agreed to do this. He agreed to follow the grand plan,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: a long term. Whatever the analytics say about pictures and
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: back to back and when they use this reliever against
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: this whatever. But the fact that Rucker was good and
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: shoving and ate nothing gain the night before the team
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: that was ready to go back to the hotel versus
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: a three two game the next night doesn't make sense
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: to me at all.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: I totally understand exactly what you're saying.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: But when you were on the East Coast on Monday,
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: Logan Gilbert joined Softie and Dick Yeah, I heard that, yeah,
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: And I want to revisit this one thing that he
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: said when it came to the criticism of Dan Wilson.
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: I always try to be pretty nice, but like if
• 30:30
  Speaker 7: people if I ever heard people say that, that's probably
• 30:32
  Speaker 7: when I would get fired up.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: I think that's ridiculous that people would ever say that.
• 30:37
  Speaker 7: Dan's one of the best people I've ever met. I
• 30:40
  Speaker 7: think he's amazing at his job and what he does
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: and the way he gets us going. Like you know,
• 30:44
  Speaker 7: nobody outside of here knows what it's like in a
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: locker room with him. Only the players do. And I
• 30:49
  Speaker 7: think every single one of us would go to bat
• 30:51
  Speaker 7: for him. So he's the man. I love playing under him,
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: and I hope he stays here forever.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: And go ahead yeah, yes, on with And the one
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: thing that I would say about that is that there
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: is a very fine line between being a great manager, coach,
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: whatever sport when it comes to being able to rally
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: guys and also being a good technical person. And I
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: think Dan has the rally part totally locked up and
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: he might need an assist from the upstairs people.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Some of the upstairs assists are hurting him, to be honest,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: hurting the day.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: To day if that's it's happening.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Maybe the long term, yes, But you know what, Dan
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Wilson also is a former player who spent his entire
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: career twenty years in a dugout in a clubhouse with
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: the guys he is. He is obviously going to be
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: a player's backers. He backs them publicly, he never criticizes.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: He also probably is a shield from the front office
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: and what they want to do.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: He is buffer. He is totally buffer.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: And you don't think Logan Gilbert and at all appreciate
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: that that they have a guy who's their back and
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: buffering them from what Jerry Depoto and Justin Hollander and
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: all of them pushed down on to Wilson. And then
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Wilson's the middleman. He's the guy who has to carry
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: out those plans, but he also has to, as you mentioned,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: rally and support his players inside the clock. Job correct.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: And you've never heard me say they should fire Dan Wilson,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: and I never will. I have not, and I don't
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: think they ever will. Not during a season for sure,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: because of just like what happened last night, He's carrying
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: out the wishes of the front office in a way
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: most managers would not, because most managers have experience in
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: a dugout and have guts and a gut feeling toward
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: a game. And here's what my eyes tell me, Wilson
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: does not. Wilson has that from a catcher's perspective, but
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: he doesn't have that from a managerial dugout perspective, and
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: that made him an ideal candidate, like Scott's service was,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: to be the manager here. This regime wants someone to
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: be analytic driven, to follow the grand plan, master plan,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: and they don't want it, appears, unless someone consume me
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: evidence otherwise. They don't want a guy managing on gut instincts.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: They don't want a manager who says nah. Michael Rucker
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: three to two top of the night. No, No, I'm
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: going with Spire, I'm going Bizarto. Hell I might even
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: go with my all star closing munnos throw one hundred
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: and two so we can keep this game at three two.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: They don't want a manager that way. They want a
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: manager who follows the grand plan. And then the grand
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: plan obviously was let's stay away when we're behind in
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: a ninth inning from the highleveries guys, because we've got
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: a game tomorrow afternoon. Who that's a lot for a
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: guy or gal who spent one hundred and three hundred,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: four hundred dollars to take his family to a game
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: last night and wanting him to win that game last night,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: and wanting to see Julio Rodriguez in the lineup last night.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: It's not the friendliest quote to read if you're a fan.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: I do understand that part, and I'm trying not to
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: be defensive. I'm just I'm an even Stephen person. I
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: like to see both sides of everything, and yeah, it's.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: Not the friendliest quot.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: But you're right. There's a couple people in the text
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: on two five to three saying the question to Dan
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: should have been who made the decision? See if he
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: says it himself, it would be tough to admit it.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: He's never going to say that, and anyone who's in
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: a clubhouse and in a press game, a postgame presser
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: who's on the team beat every day, no better than
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: to ask him that. I would never ask that question
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: if I know the answer to it, even if I
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: wanted to get it in print. That's not far to Wilson. Yes,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: you're putting him in a position that you're asking him
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: to go against the people who hire and pay his paychecks.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: And he's not going to do that publicly. So don't
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: get him in a position where he'll lie or he'll
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: say something misleading As a journalist, I'm just telling you
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: from a daily beat writer, been doing it for twenty
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: five years. Yeah, I would never ask that question if
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: I already knew why he didn't do that, If I
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: knew the answer to the question, you're setting up your
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: interview subject and that's no way to retain a professional relationship, right.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: One headline is not one. Clickbait is not worth your relationship.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: And also, we can wait and learn more about this
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: throughout the season, and you don't get to learn more
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: if you're a jerk.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it, But that's the difference between a
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: journalist and not to say fans couldn't go into a
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: clubhouse or a post game prescottin's and ask questions. But
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: if you're on the beat every day, you understand those
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: nuances and you can't just fire off a question like that,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: who made that decision on Rucker in the ninth You
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: just can't do that.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: No, I think it was Tim Booth that asked that question.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: It was what went into it correct. It is a
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: very very small nuance. But having been a reporter for
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: fifteen years myself, I get it too right.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: And so to answer that question, and no disrespect to
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: the two five three texter, I understand a fan's perspective
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: as well. But that's the job of a journalist to
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: be the filter to realize, wait a minute, what happened here?
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Why did it happen? How can I ask a question
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: to get the person to explain it without putting him
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: in a position where he has to be evasive or misleading.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: So you're also offering the opportunity to say, you know,
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: he could have said, wow, I got a call for
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: rom upstairs, like you're opening the door for him to
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: answer the way he can or wants to. Yeah, you're
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: not pigeonholing him into a corner exactly.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: And that's off to Tim Mooth, friend of mine. We
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: worked together at the AP twenty years ago, and that's
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: why he'll asked the question the way he did went
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: into that decision. Tim probably knows a lot of what
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: went into the decision, but he didn't put manager Dan
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Wilson in a position, an awkward position to go against.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: This bosses wouldn't have been good for anybody.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: No, So that explains that four nine, four to five
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: one on the Takomadadge text line. Your reaction to all
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: of that, just know there's more than meets the eye there. Yes,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: it looks like Dan Wilson doesn't know how to manage
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: a bullpen. There's much more to it than that. And
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: it starts with the people at the very top of
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: the baseball organization. Hell, it talks. It stops at the
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: very top of the organization with the Chairman, John Stanton
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: and the fact that he had the manager in place
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: that will carry out decisions like last night, I'm next,
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Let's go to Sea Oork training camp. It starts on Saturday.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: The veteran deadline to report is on Friday. The big
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: news of the week so far as nick em and
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Worry being on the physically unable to perform list, I'll
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: explain what exactly the pup list it. No, it's not
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: putting doggies on a list, although they do call Dick
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: evan Ori a dog. We'll talk about the pup list,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: what it means, why Emon Worry is on it, and
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: you'll hear from Nick Emon Worriy himself. That's next on
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: ninety three point three KJRFM. Welcome back, Greg Bell, Jasmin
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: McIntyre with you. So we are every weekday ten am
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: to noon here on ninety three point three kJ r
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: f M. They're actually Cincinnati Reds fans here inside. Jimmy's
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: on first account of them. You know what my theory
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: on that hadjustment as a native Ohio and a lot
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: of people, a lot of people have moved away from
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Ohio are from Ohio that lived other places, including the
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: West Coast.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: I was born in Sandusky, were you really yes?
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Point?
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we went there, Yeah.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Your point. I got married thirty minutes from Sandusky over
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: the Ohio I.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: Just was so excited when the movie Tommy Boy came out.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: That's right, his dad sold insurance or whatever he did.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: It was brake pads. I have that movie memorize.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: The Mariners are playing across the street from me at
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: T Mobile Park at twelve forty this homestand finale.
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: And you are a Jimmy's and I'm jealous.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm surprised how many people are here.
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: It's I love it act.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that is like one of the best pregame spots
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: to do. You just walk across the street and you're
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: at the stadium.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: I'm across the literally forty feet from the left field
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: gate where they're already lined up for it. Twelve forty,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: start trying to get into the yard. It's ninety minutes
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: before first pitch the gates open, and then the Mariners
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: after today have a day off to fly to Arlington,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Texas for a three game series against the Rangers beginning
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: on Friday afternoon our time. Rangers a half game up
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: on the Mariners in the America League West. The Seahawks
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: veterans are continuing to report for training camp. The deadline
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: do so for veterans is Friday, and then Saturday is
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: the first practice of training camp at the Virginia Mason
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Athletics Center. I'll be out there for the News Tribune, well,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: all of us at KGr will be out there Monday, Tuesday,
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Wednesdays all the way through training camp into August twentieth
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: or so, and then the Seahawks are going to have
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: a joint practice in Nashville, Tennessee against the Titans. One
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: practice not too like they did last time a couple
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: summers ago, and then a preseason game. The second one
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: is in Nashville on a Sunday night, so it's a
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Friday practice joint practice with the Titans before a Sunday
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: game in Nashville. I'll be there too in Nashville for
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: the News Tribune and broadcasting live from Nashville in from
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: the joint practice on kjar or October what is that
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: twenty second, twenty third time and during the preseason. But
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: for now, the news of the week was that Nicki
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Monori was on He put on the physically unable to
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Perform list. That's the POPP list, as I wrote in
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: the News Tribune at the Newstribune dot com yesterday, that's
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: really injury list light you're not injured reserve and out
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: for the season. You can come back from the pup
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: list at any point as soon as you pass a physical.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: The meaning he's on the pup list because he didn't
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: pass the physical upon reporting last month the Mini caamp.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: We talked to Nicki Monwory falling in practice. He was
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: fully participating in the practices during OTA's and minicamp, although
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: they were in shorts and T shirts, but he was
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: out there on the field and the defense starting as
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: he normally is. I asked him in mid June even
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: worry specifically about his sprained ankle from practice happened four
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: days before the Super Bowl at San Jose State. He
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: played anyway, came back to practice two days later a
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: low ankle spring, and I asked also, even where last
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: month did that ankle limit him at all this offseason
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: after he played seventy of the seahawks seventy two defensive
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: back snaps in Super Bowl sixty. This is what Nicki
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: mon Warri said.
• 41:12
  Speaker 9: It was a little, you know, in my mind, I
• 41:14
  Speaker 9: kind of made my mind up about playing because it
• 41:16
  Speaker 9: was like, you know, for me personally, probably would have
• 41:19
  Speaker 9: sucked just to go throughout the whole season, all the
• 41:21
  Speaker 9: ups and downs, everything we've done been through just to
• 41:23
  Speaker 9: not playing the Super Bowl. So I made my decision
• 41:26
  Speaker 9: to play that night. And it felt good going out
• 41:28
  Speaker 9: there and playing, like, you know, had my teammate support,
• 41:31
  Speaker 9: and I mean, you know, we dominated out there. So
• 41:35
  Speaker 9: it's pretty pretty pretty easy for me to just to
• 41:37
  Speaker 9: be out there and just do what I can do.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: I don't limited, were you man?
• 41:41
  Speaker 10: Uh honestly, I was full of go.
• 41:43
  Speaker 9: So when I went out there, I did pregame warm
• 41:45
  Speaker 9: ups and I went at a little hard in pregame
• 41:48
  Speaker 9: warm ups. I think I went a little too hard
• 41:49
  Speaker 9: and I was like really pushing my ankle and it
• 41:51
  Speaker 9: was like, you know, it was holding up.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: It was good, and uh, we're all good. Nah.
• 41:54
  Speaker 9: So you weren't limited put a super Bowl and had
• 41:57
  Speaker 9: to shut it down or nah, you know. I mean,
• 41:59
  Speaker 9: of course at the Super Bowl and it just had
• 42:00
  Speaker 9: to recover, you know, stayed in Seattle for a little
• 42:03
  Speaker 9: bit while everybody left back to the East Coast, recovered,
• 42:05
  Speaker 9: did what I had to do in the off season,
• 42:07
  Speaker 9: did rehab a lot just to fortify my ankle, make
• 42:10
  Speaker 9: sure there was no problems right now.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: So that's Nick even worry at Mini camp last month
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: and then what's happened since then is the Seahawks have
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: put him on the physically being able to perform us.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: You heard him say that he did a lot of
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: rehab in the off season. He stayed in Seattle. He's
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: from South Carolina. He still lives there. But instead of
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: going back to South Carolina where he lives in the
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: off season like a lot of the other East Coast
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: guys did right after the Super Bowl in the Super
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Bowl parade, he stayed in Seattle. He stayed at Seahawks
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: headquarters and worked on the ankle with trainers and did rehab.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: He continued that on a plan back on the East
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Coast and then he participated in no tas in Mini camp.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: So to me, jessm in this move again, is the
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Seahawks protecting Nick even worriy from him.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: Is just going to use the word precautionary.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yes, I mean absolutely the precautionary. That's maybe the
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: best definitie of the pup list. It's a precautionary measure.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: At this time, it's July exactly. Yeah, the season doesn't
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: start till September the seventh. There's nothing. The Seahawks need
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: to see from Nicki mnworry on July to twenty fifth,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: sixth seventh. That's going to determine how much he plays
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: and where he fits into defense. He's an integral piece
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: to the McDonald's multiplicity on defense, so that's what this is.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: They also put Kenny McIntosh on the pup list. We
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: mentioned that is a different situation because players on the
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: pup list the beginning of training camp are then eligible
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: if they stay on it throughout camp to be on
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: the puplist to begin the season, and he'd miss the
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: minimum of the first four games. McIntosh coming off reconstructive
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: knee surgery. He blew out his knee in the first
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: days of training camp last summer. He's had an injury
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: filled career, including his first training camp after the Seahawks
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: drafted him three years ago. He's going into the final
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: year of his rookie contract suddenly. Tyron Browden, former undrafted
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: last year, was an undrafted rookie wide receiver at six
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: foot five plus out of Arkansas, the converting him the cornerback,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: one of the tallest cornerbacks to ever appeared in an
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: NFL game. If he makes it. He was injured late
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: in practice late last season, and he has been sidelined
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: all offseason. He's on the pupp list as well. And
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: then Devin Eastern, the seventh round pick, the defensive tackle
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: that they got from Minnesota in the draft this April.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: He was limited during OTA's and Mini camps by injury.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: He is also on the pup list. There may be
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: a couple more because as the reterans report here the
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: next couple of days, they'll have to take their physicals
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: and if they fail them, they become candidates for a
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: pupplist or an injury list. Still to be determined as
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: the status of Zach Charbonay, the running back who had
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: reconstructive knee surgery in February following his injury in the
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: divisional round of the playoffs, He's a likely pup list
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: candidate that would keep him sidelined for the start of
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: miniicip But again Eamon Worry, pupp list a different deal.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Puplist players can come off at any time, and puppulist
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: players count against the ninety man preseason roster limit. All
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: that suggesting that this is a temporary deal. Also temporaries
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: the fact that Devin Witherspoon hasn't signed a new deal.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: I see national reports in Rappidport this morning reporting that
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: a deal is imminent, likely to get done in the
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: first couple of days, and it's probably going to be
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: thirty one million a year plus to Eclipse Trent McDuffie.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: We've been talking about that for months, that that was
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: the contract McDuffie that hit Witherspoon and his agents have
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: been targeting. We've also talked about how John Schneider's mo
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: is to sign Foundational guys going into the final year
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: of their deal. In the first couple of days of
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: training camp, and I know they exercise their fifty year
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: contract option for twenty one million dollars on Witherspoon. That
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: buys him this year. He's under contract. But they did
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: the same thing with Smith and Jigbit in March, gave
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: him a new deal on top of his extension and
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: keep him under contract through twenty thirty one. Expect the
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: same thing to happen with the Seahawks in Devin Witherspoon,
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: perhaps as early as Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday around that
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: time period, and it expected to be around thirty one
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: million dollars to be the highest paid quarterback in the NFL.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: I'p next, let's talk about the Seahawks sale. Last week
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: I sat down and talked from it in New York
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: with a sports law expert on the situation with the Seahawks.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: You're gonna hear from a lawyer in the Herrick Sports Group,
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Irwin Kishner. He's going to talk about the nuances a
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: selling out of an estate, What to expect next in
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: this sale process that's supposed to culminate in a vote
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: to August of twenty sixth among NFL owners, And what
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: does sale may mean for the Sonics value of an
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: expansion franchise in Seattle. Erwin Kishner, co chair of the
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Corporate Sports Law Group with Herrick in New York City,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: is up next to ninety three point three KJRFM.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Now from the Star Renolds Sports Test Your ninety three
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: point three KJRFM sports headlines.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Team Mobile Park Here, Jimmy's on First You by Frost
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Brewed Corsley choose Chill Mariners Last last night for two
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: to the Reds. Suarez hit a home run off his
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: former team. Luis Castello gave up a couple home runs
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: early Mariners fall out of first place, a half game
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: behind Texas atop the AL West final game me to
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: homestand across the street from me twelve forty first pitch
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Emerson Hancock thrown for the MS. Then they go to
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Texas to play the Rangers for first place. This weekend,
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: two teams two days excuse me, until all Seahawk veterans
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: are due to report to training camp three days until
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: the first practice of camp on Saturday. Players are still
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: reporting and taking physicals when they do, and one of
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: them was Zach Charbonay. He failed that he's on the
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: physically unable to perform list. The team announced that within
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: the last hour or so. That's exactly what we're talking about.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Last segment. We expected that puts Charbonay, who had reconstructive
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: knee surgery in February, on track to be on the
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: pupp list to begin the regular season. Only players on
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: PUFF to begin training camp are eligible to be on
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: PUFF to begin the regular season. If he's on the
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: pupp list to begin the season, he'll miss the minimum
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: of the first four games, and Seahawks are still hoping
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: he'll come back September October or so. Time line an
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: NFL and HB announced a're going to move up the
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: first episode airing day of the Seahawks on training camp
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Hard Knocks to August the fourth. They'll have episodes weekly
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: until September first, eight days before the Seahawks begin their
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: NFL season against the Patriots. First time in twenty five
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: years of defending Super Bowl champion has been featured on
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Hot Knocks two thousand and one Champion Baltimore Ravens were
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: the first in the series. The Seahawks sale was supposed
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: to be approved August of twenty sixth in a team
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: in a league meeting in Atlanta of NFL team owners.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: It's a unique situation selling from an estate. Erwin Kirshner
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: is the chair of the Corporate Department in Sports Law
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Group with Herrick's Law Firm in New York City, and
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: or Erwin Kishner I sat down with him last week
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: on the phone to talk to him about the Seahawks
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: sale and how unique it is and how maybe this
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: changes the sale valuation of the in the expansion cost
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: for the Sonics in their return. What is the peculiar
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: stat what other peculiar stats. The cousin is in a
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: state that the sks are going to have to go
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: through now that a normal franchise transaction doesn't.
• 49:10
  Speaker 11: Well, okay, so that's a multifascinating question, depending on which
• 49:15
  Speaker 11: way we want to take it. I mean, the question,
• 49:16
  Speaker 11: I guess from my dvantage is are you talking about
• 49:20
  Speaker 11: the internal approvals of the Allen estate or are you
• 49:22
  Speaker 11: talking about the internal approvals of the NFL, because they're both,
• 49:27
  Speaker 11: if you will involved the necessary in connection with this.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: Transaction, yes both please? And is this a lengthy or
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: is this something that the NFL when you've not even
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: announced this agreement, if they hadn't already gone down well
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: down the pike on that.
• 49:41
  Speaker 12: Oh oh no, this deal is vetted and approved, and
• 49:45
  Speaker 12: the financing has been looked at, and the ownership group
• 49:49
  Speaker 12: has been vetted and approved, and.
• 49:52
  Speaker 11: This deal is you know, there's obviously certain things that
• 49:56
  Speaker 11: need to happen between now and the ultimate closing, most
• 49:59
  Speaker 11: prominently the the approval of you know, two thirds or
• 50:02
  Speaker 11: excuse me, three quarters of the.
• 50:03
  Speaker 6: Owners But that said, you know this, this is, this
• 50:08
  Speaker 6: is you know pretty much.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Uh uh.
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  Speaker 11: It would have to be something really terrible coming out
• 50:14
  Speaker 11: between now and closing for anything to terminate a deal
• 50:18
  Speaker 11: like that that's this far down the path and it's
• 50:20
  Speaker 11: been announced.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: So what was the complexity layer that the NFL dealt
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: was to approve a sale out of an estate.
• 50:28
  Speaker 6: Well, I mean, somebody owns the franchise.
• 50:32
  Speaker 11: In this case, it happens to be the you know,
• 50:34
  Speaker 11: the Allen estate. The fact that it's the Allen of
• 50:37
  Speaker 11: the state means simply the the the NFL is going
• 50:41
  Speaker 11: to want to make sure that the estate has the
• 50:46
  Speaker 11: requisite authority to execute a sale and that you know,
• 50:51
  Speaker 11: from the from a legal advantage, all those boxes have
• 50:54
  Speaker 11: been checked. It's not any harder that that the asset
• 50:59
  Speaker 11: owns is owned by an estate visa v you know,
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  Speaker 11: an individual.
• 51:04
  Speaker 6: You're still going to get the same representations and warranties.
• 51:08
  Speaker 11: Which would you know, talk about you know, free and clear.
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  Speaker 6: Of leans and encumbrances, you do authority to sell?
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  Speaker 2: Uh that the you know that the.
• 51:17
  Speaker 11: Franchise has presented is a is a you know, fair
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  Speaker 11: and complete view of what the assets and.
• 51:24
  Speaker 6: Liabilities look like.
• 51:25
  Speaker 11: To simplify that, and so I don't think it's any
• 51:28
  Speaker 11: more complicated from the NFL's advantage.
• 51:31
  Speaker 6: That's simply because it's in the state.
• 51:34
  Speaker 11: I mean, clearly the NFL wanted to, uh, you know,
• 51:38
  Speaker 11: at least in my opinion, was very favored, you know,
• 51:41
  Speaker 11: to put this into into a individual ownership group, which
• 51:46
  Speaker 11: is clearly what's happening now.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: And of that ownership, of course, we know the statement
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: from the NFL saying that they would be quote several
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: minority investors in the size of a deal this big
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: nine points six billion, would you expect it to be
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: half dozen? What's a ballpark number of minority I know,
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: we know the NFL can have up to twenty five
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: total owners but in a deal like this is, are
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: we talking about a half dozen or and then what's
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: the process of lining those up? Has that already done? Yeah?
• 52:18
  Speaker 11: So, you know, the valuations of franchises to what this
• 52:23
  Speaker 11: is a deal, have been going so far north and
• 52:28
  Speaker 11: increasing so so much that it's rather unusual to have
• 52:33
  Speaker 11: an individual or a family you know, take or acquire the.
• 52:37
  Speaker 6: Entirety of a franchise.
• 52:39
  Speaker 11: So accordingly, the NFL, in recognizing that you know, game
• 52:43
  Speaker 11: up with this thirty percent, the controlling ownership needs to
• 52:45
  Speaker 11: have thirty thirty percent ownership and the remaining seventy has
• 52:50
  Speaker 11: to be duly qualified and approved investors. To your exact
• 52:54
  Speaker 11: questions is to what the number looks like. It really
• 52:58
  Speaker 11: depends because if you get a well healed investor, call it,
• 53:05
  Speaker 11: you know, for argument's sake, of a gazillionaire.
• 53:07
  Speaker 6: And there are a couple of those out there that
• 53:10
  Speaker 6: you know, could could stroke a check, but there's not
• 53:13
  Speaker 6: all that many.
• 53:14
  Speaker 11: You might only have two or three, you know, there
• 53:18
  Speaker 11: is that ability to get twenty four. But so so
• 53:21
  Speaker 11: let's just you know, you can do the math if
• 53:24
  Speaker 11: the owner is going to get thirty percent and that
• 53:26
  Speaker 11: means seventy percent of nine point six billion. Uh, you know,
• 53:30
  Speaker 11: it's you know, it's six point three or roughly billion
• 53:33
  Speaker 11: dollars that you know could be made up of you know,
• 53:36
  Speaker 11: several hundreds of millions of dollars pieces.
• 53:39
  Speaker 6: So you know it's it's I don't think there's any.
• 53:42
  Speaker 11: Hard and fast rules to how many our owners would
• 53:44
  Speaker 11: be in such a thing, although I would suspect that
• 53:47
  Speaker 11: this deal, given who the owner is and his connections
• 53:51
  Speaker 11: around around town, so to speak, that you probably have
• 53:55
  Speaker 11: you know, fifteen twenty owners that that are participating.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: And what did you make of the fact that the
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: NFL went out of its way to say that NERO
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: the coast of the wife of Venode, who Venode's been
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: the front man on this bid the whole time, the
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: Sun Microsystems co founder and all that. Yet the NFL
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: said that Nero his wife will be the controlling owner, which,
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: as you said, thirty percent up to fifty percent of
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: sometimes like the NFL would like a controlling owner to have.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: Do you see from your expertise about why they would
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: do it that way instead of Venode, the frontman that
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: everyone is more high profile, would be the controlling owner.
• 54:34
  Speaker 11: You know, it's hard to fathom what the business reason
• 54:38
  Speaker 11: is structuring at that, but I rest assured in my
• 54:41
  Speaker 11: mind anyway there is a strong business reason and it
• 54:44
  Speaker 11: could it be for a state planning purposes. Could it
• 54:48
  Speaker 11: be for liability, you know, asset protection purposes. Could it
• 54:52
  Speaker 11: be for tax structuring, could it be you know, there's
• 54:57
  Speaker 11: I'm sure or there's some good reason as to why
• 55:02
  Speaker 11: that's being done. I think it also plays well on
• 55:07
  Speaker 11: the on the entirety of the transaction, having a female,
• 55:13
  Speaker 11: you know, controlling owner. I think that that plays well
• 55:16
  Speaker 11: to the whole picture and the approval. But you know,
• 55:20
  Speaker 11: what why they did it is, it's hard to you know,
• 55:23
  Speaker 11: without having inside knowledge, it's hard to fathom or to
• 55:28
  Speaker 11: just say they just I can assure you that they
• 55:31
  Speaker 11: did it with some forethought and some strong consideration, and
• 55:37
  Speaker 11: that that's you know, as far as that's so, as
• 55:39
  Speaker 11: far as I can tell at this point.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Irwin kissenarda co chair of the Sports Law Group with
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: the New York law firm Eric joining us on the
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: Beacon plumbing outline here on ninety three point three kJ.
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: R F M.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, now there's sir, the process of now divesting their
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: three point one percent ownership of the San Francisco forty
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: nine ers at the Coasal family bought in the spring
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five, is that something they will have
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: already done before they would the league would even announce
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: this agreement or that will happen before the vote.
• 56:09
  Speaker 11: Well typically well, as a per requisite of owning an
• 56:14
  Speaker 11: NFL team, you can't have you know, dual ownership work
• 56:18
  Speaker 11: or ownership or more than one club for a very
• 56:20
  Speaker 11: obvious conflict of interest reasons. That said, you know, the
• 56:26
  Speaker 11: three point one percent stake that the family owns and
• 56:29
  Speaker 11: the forty nine ers does need to be sold, and
• 56:34
  Speaker 11: it has to be sold before I would say, you know,
• 56:38
  Speaker 11: the new season, the NFL season starts, I think is
• 56:42
  Speaker 11: generally the way this is done. They will have the
• 56:45
  Speaker 11: deal documented, but you know, to get the requisite approvals
• 56:49
  Speaker 11: and so forth. It will probably close after the approval.
• 56:53
  Speaker 11: So the way I see it playing out would be
• 56:55
  Speaker 11: they have a deal will already in place as to
• 56:58
  Speaker 11: how who's going to buy that three point one percent,
• 57:02
  Speaker 11: They have the pricing already largely agreed to, They'll have
• 57:05
  Speaker 11: that legal document signed and executed, You'll get the approval
• 57:09
  Speaker 11: of the NFL, and then subsequent to that they'll be
• 57:12
  Speaker 11: a closing of an actual legal transfer of the interest.
• 57:16
  Speaker 11: That's that's how I would envision it all playing out.
• 57:20
  Speaker 11: And that's frankly typical. And and and you know, as
• 57:23
  Speaker 11: part of this process of you know, being the successful
• 57:27
  Speaker 11: bidder for the for the Seahawks, this all would have
• 57:31
  Speaker 11: been orchestrated and mapped out previous to getting the approval,
• 57:37
  Speaker 11: because the NFL really would would insist as that as
• 57:40
  Speaker 11: a condition proceeding to the ownership.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: Right, sir, is this is more of your opinion rather
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: than you knowing the facts of the case. But in fact,
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: the fact they own three point one percent of the
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: forty nine ers, Did that not just grease the skids
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: to be able to sell or buy an entire franchise
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: because now they know the NFL selling process, the approval process,
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: They know all the fellow team owners that had to
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: approve them to be minority stakeholders, the forty nine ers,
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: they know Roger Goodell from that process. How much of
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: a head start did the Kosla family have over any
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: other bid or just because the fact they've already gone
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: through an approval process.
• 58:14
  Speaker 11: Yeah, and I would even say this is even well,
• 58:17
  Speaker 11: I appreciate your classifying it as an opinion. I would
• 58:20
  Speaker 11: say it would even go a little further as more
• 58:22
  Speaker 11: towards the factual continuum than opinion.
• 58:26
  Speaker 6: Having a prior ownership in one.
• 58:28
  Speaker 11: Of the league's teams absolutely helps the ownership process because
• 58:34
  Speaker 11: that means the family and the owners were previously vetted.
• 58:38
  Speaker 11: You can't own even a minority stake without getting vetted
• 58:42
  Speaker 11: and approved by the league.
• 58:43
  Speaker 6: So the fact is that this ownership group was was
• 58:46
  Speaker 6: vetted and approved, and you know the fact that they
• 58:50
  Speaker 6: know the faces in the room absolutely helps helps that process.
• 58:56
  Speaker 11: That said, you know, money, at the end of the
• 58:59
  Speaker 11: day speaks, and I don't think that, you know, given
• 59:03
  Speaker 11: the fact that they had prior ownership, if they put
• 59:06
  Speaker 11: just making you know, numbers up a nine point two
• 59:10
  Speaker 11: billion offer in the higher the next guy had a
• 59:12
  Speaker 11: nine point three billion dollar offer and it was you know,
• 59:16
  Speaker 11: solid financing with a on premium facia or on the
• 59:20
  Speaker 11: face of it looked like an ownership grouplet that was
• 59:23
  Speaker 11: you know, suitable for the NFL. Ownership that would have
• 59:27
  Speaker 11: done that would have prevailed. So it helps, but it's
• 59:30
  Speaker 11: not the only.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: Thing, right And my final question, sir, is what do
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: you think the future now is for franchise valuations? Not
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: just in the NFL, which prints money as we know
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: in the revenue skyrocket metia rites, but what might this
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: do for the Seattle expansion team in the NBA, or
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: Las Vegas or other franchise around North American sports way
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: as we know it? Just the Seahawks sale comes just
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: under the ten billion dollar record Los Angeles Lakers sale
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: last year. But does this now rise all boats the
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: tide that the Seahawks sales? Right?
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 11: You know, so there's you know, there's two there's there's
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 11: an answer to that, and the answer, this simple answer
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 11: is yes, Uh, professional owner or ownership of professional sports
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 11: teams and the ownership of franchises, by and large and
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 11: very general sense is going to continue to the evaluations
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 11: are going to continue to rise. There are two main
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 11: reasons for that, or two main drivers.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 11: And perhaps you might put another half in front of
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 11: that too, But let me explain.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 6: Number one.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 11: You have the legalization of wagering in the United States, UH,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 11: and that you know prevreates tremendous interest. The NFL is
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 11: no secret.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 11: People vote on you know, all kinds of prop bets
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 11: and and ownership and I don't sure, and on who's
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 11: gonna win, if they're gonna what the score is going
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 11: to be, who's gonna win the coin coin flip, and
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 11: so forth. So that's driver number one. Driver number two
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 11: is with the streaming and the all the availability of
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 11: what the programming that's that's available to attract eyeballs. Live
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 11: sports is and will continue and will remain to be
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 11: the one that you know, if you will and quotes
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 11: must see TV something you really want to see live
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 11: as opposed to I'll stream it.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 6: Later in the afternoon. And that is you know, garnering
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 6: many many more eyeballs. So for competitive leagues, you have
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 6: those drivers. I said, there'd be.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 11: A point another potential driver, and that is you know,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 11: there is and there are tax benefits to owning a
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 11: franchise largely, and I'm not a tax expert, but I
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 11: can tell you in general brushstrokes broadbrushstrokes. You know, owning
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 11: a team and paying a lot of money for it
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 11: provides an opportunity to, if you will, depreciate the asset
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 11: on a somewhat accelerated basis. So if somebody has in
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 11: their portfolio large gains that they could otherwise realize.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 6: And they have to pay tax, you could use this
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 6: to upset some of that.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 11: And so that's another if you will, a benefit to
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 11: ownership of a professional sports franchise. All that being said,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 11: the economics have to make sense. People are not just
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 11: paying lots of money for professional sports franchise. They're paying
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 11: a lot of money for it because it's worth it.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: And the laws of.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 6: Supply and demand and economics talk to you.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 11: Know, raising the price as time goes on. So I
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 11: definitely predict as time goes forward. You know, there's nine
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 11: point six billion dollars sale for the for the Seahawks,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 11: we'll see it eclipsed in due time, and it's going
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 11: to be you know, buckley a seatbelt.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 6: It's be a fun rise.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: Irwin Kishner, co chair of the Sports Law Group for
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: the New York law firm. Eric, thank you for your
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: time and your expertise. Sir, have a great summer. I
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: appreciate you talking to us.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 6: It's been a fantast think being here. Good luck and
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 6: pleasure speaking with you.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: What's interesting there is Erwin Kishner who knows about sports
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: law and sales and franchise sales and sales from the States.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: The interesting part of that to me is him saying
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: there could be as many as fifteen or twenty minority
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: co investors in the Seahawks.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: I love that part.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that could be a varied people. That could be local,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: That could be people who have owned franchises before, been
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: investing in sports teams before. It could be people that
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: have no experience into that could be more women beyond
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: Dende Coachla's wife, who's the controlling owner the.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: NFL sies Nero is the head honcho.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: The principal owner. But they can have as many as twenty,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: well in this case, twenty two co investors because of
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: the wife, the husband and the Sun being the primary
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: buyers of the team, but the NFL rules allow up
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: to twenty five total investors in a franchise.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: Well, remember Greg, you and I were having this conversation
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: about you know, we were hearing some rumblings about low
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: Well that's not excluded with this sale, correct, That's why
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: I like that.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: And he himself said, if you've got some giant billionaire
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: to invest, maybe there's only two or three minority investor.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: We still don't know the identity dentities of all the investors.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: The NFL, in their memo to teams alerting them to
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: the sale and the need for a vote August twenty six,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: said there will be several quote several co minority investors
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: in the Seahawks, which doesn't exactly him if you believe
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: the letter of the word. The definition of several doesn't
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: mean they're gonna be twenty two of them. But Irwin
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: Kushner said, because of you know, Kosla's connections in this case,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: he thinking and meaning in Sun Microsystems and AI and
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: the Bay Area, they could have as many as fifteen
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: or twenty minority investors of the Seahawks. That and of
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: itself is not unusual in pro sports either to have
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: that many co and minority investors. I mean, Hector Mariners
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: have all kinds of investors, a couple dozen that are
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: not you know, some are very small, and so the Road.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: The Sounders have m maclamore and other people investing in
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: them as well.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: So John Rydan down with the Portland Pickles.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: The Portland Pickles and John Ryan and Sarah Corona exactly.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: So we'll see what the it should come out by
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: around the sale approval vote on August twenty sixth, that's
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: at the NFL meeting in Atlanta. Up next. We got
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: a lot of nice, interesting text about the Mariners and
• 1:05:25
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• 1:05:29
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  Speaker 2: First across the street from T Mobile Park. When the
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  Speaker 2: Mariners and Reds are about to play we'll be back
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: next to ninety three point three KJRFM.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 13: Either're grebving, Jessman, You're damn right, Greg. There's more than
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 13: meet cie there. It's crap like last night, and it's
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 13: been going on all season. I don't care who's to
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 13: blame for these managerial decisions when you're punting on the game,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 13: when you're down by one run in the top of
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 13: the f and nins because you got a game tomorrow. Oh,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 13: we could still win the series. Dude.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: This is why I didn't go to the game last night.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: I'm tired of this crap. Go Hawks.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: I do appreciate the self editing.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, some restraint there.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: I do understand the frustration, though.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: I get it. Fifty years man, it's fifty years without
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: a World Series. I get it. I totally get it.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: The window is wide open right now for this team,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: and every game they give away, you're just like, they
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: should have won that one. They should have won that one.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: I think it hurts more when they say it out loud.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: By the way the Mariners today their lineup, Cole Young
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: is back at the number one spot. He moved there
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: on Monday to leadoff from sixth. We talked about that
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: a couple weeks ago. I mean, where would they be
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: without Cole Young. Offensively, they moved him to the top
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: of the line and he went oh for five as
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: the leadoff guy last night. Number two today is the
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: DH Julia Rodriguez not playing the field, but after missing
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: one game, he came back yesterday as a pinch hitter,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: hit her home run late in the game after stayed
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: in the game and playing center field. Not in the
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: field today, but playing as a designated hitter, batting second,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: canzone and right field, batting third or rosary and left
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: betting fourth. Then Naylor's at first base roleby the catcher
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: betting sixth, Bluke Brayley, he is at center field. He's
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: going to bet seventh. I'm gonna have a Weston Wilson
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: played third base, bat eights and then Cold Emerson short
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: stop betting ninth. Emerson Hancock will throw the first pitch
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: at twelve forty, right across the street from me. You
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: know what the music is the time for you guys
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: be a part in gals, to be a part of
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: the show. And the text line four nine four or
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: five to one. The Tacoma Dodge text line I wanted
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: to read run right off the top. That got my
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: attention because a lot of people think this. I can
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: find this three six oh. The problem is that the
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: grand plan is to win fifty four percent. Those faded,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: ill fated words that Jerry to Poto said, the comers overwhelm.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: The grand plan is to win fifty four percent, to
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: be competitive, which means a fifty to fifty percent chance
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: of winning, and to put butts in the seats on
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: bubblehead knights. The grand plan is not a one hundred
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: percent commitment to winning a World series. That from the
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: three six to oh, and you understand the sentiment there.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: As I said, fifty years without winning a World Series,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: the only sports professional sports franchise in North America to
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: not win or even appeer in a championship series for
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: its league. And yet last night, thirty five thousand plus
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: on a Tuesday night, it was ninety degrees in Seattle
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: on a two Esday night in July, sell out Friday
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: for Fireworks Night, a sellout again on Saturday when they
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: were playing a woeful Giants team. Thirty five thousand plus
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: again on Sunday. I mean they're averaging more than thirty
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: five thousand per game for this team that is at
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: five hundred.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: It's been rocking down there.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: It has I thought that maybe the World Cup and
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: people visiting, why don't you do both?
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: But no, I was there last night.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: It was packed two six is greg? How would the
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: NFL feel about a college forty team super league, which
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: we may be getting to. Will they still think of
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: that as a feeder system or is that edging into competition? Well,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: I would suggest that for the lower ends of rosters,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: we're already in competition between college and NFL football because
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: there are players that are staying in college for a
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: sixth year because they're getting nil deals of two or
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: three million dollars, which is three four five x larger
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: than their rookie contract's going to be, right, The minimum
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: salary in the NFL now is seven hundred and forty
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: thousand if you make the team, even an undrafted rookie.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: All that, but the minimum salary is seven hundred and
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: forty thousand. If you're getting a two or three million
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: dollar nil deal from University of X, you're gonna play
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: for University of X, right unless you're a bona FID
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: first or second round third round draft pick. Yeah, why
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: not stay? I'd say the competition is already here. But
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: to the point the first part of the text, a
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: super league's coming. The big ten in the SEC are
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: gonna secede basically from the NCAA, make their own rules
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: to benefit them, have their own playoff, determine their own
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: national champion, and it's gonna be an arms race of
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: nil and transfer portal and all that. There are college
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: presidents who are praying that the Congress steps in before this,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: but so far they can't even agree on a bipartisan
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: deal on a bipartisan law to change college sports and
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: fix NIO and the transfer portal. Now Senator Tommy Tubberville,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: the former Arburne coach, is coming out saying, let's scale
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: down the bipartisan bill and make it just toward transfersident nil.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: Let's just make a five year carte blanche five years
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: to play five seasons in college football, for instance. But
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: the super league's coming. If they don't preempt it with
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: some Congress legislating something different, they are on track to
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: have the haves be the big ten in the SEC,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: and the have not to be everybody else. Yeah, and
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: the rules be separate from both of them.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: My theory has always been that they're going to do
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: the super leagues and it's going to get divided up
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: geographically eventually, and we're going to end up with what we.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: Already had in the first place.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: And yeah, just.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: Realize that the NCAA could have been a little more
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: proactive than reactive.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a legal strategy on the college president's part. Remember,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: the NCAA is not just some building that makes laws.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: The rules of the college sports is made by college presidents.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: All the rules are made by college presidents. The NCAA
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: is a consort of those presidents who vote on every
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: policy the NCAA has, And the NCAA college presidents decided
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: that they did not want to be sued for anything
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: post the Bannon at Obanon case and all of the
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: rulings that came out of that. So for name, image
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: and likeness and transfer portal, hands off, we're not doing
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: anything so that we don't get sued. And now we
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: got this no guardrails, no rules. Back to the Mariners
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: two oh six. I don't understand why we have six
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: quality starters on the bench and we have these crappy
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: relievers put in the starter who's not going to pitch
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: again for another five days. That would be an unconventional
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: way to handle it. More to the point, the six
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: starters mean you have one fewer reliever. And the Major
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: League Baseball rolls on a twenty six man roster set
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: they changed a couple of years ago. You can't have
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: any more than thirteen pitchers period. The Mariners are choosing
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: to go with six starters, so that limits you to
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: one fewer bullpen arm. If you guy have one or
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: two triple A guys in your bullpen, as the Mariners
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: do Davielo, who's been better than Rucker and Rucker, you
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: really only have four potentially high leverage starters in the
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: Mariners case. And then you throw on top of that
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: all the rules they have and when they can use
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: these guys and they can't start a new inning and
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: they can't pitch on consecutive days and blah blah blah.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: Then you get situations like last night, although Rutger was
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: pitching on consecutive days, but that on top of Matt
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: Brass still being on the injured list, on top of
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: Carlos Vargas never repairing yet this season. M that's where
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: the situation they're in the six man rotation, limiting their
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: bullpen and two of the bullpen guys being triple A guys,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: and you in the situation that they're in two manners,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: are on the knife's edge to losing my interest. Seahawks
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: are just around the quartererbit. How many summers have we
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: heard that here? I don't know, justin I don't think
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: this summer's like that, though, do you?
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: I don't, actually.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: I think everyone is just so satisfied with what the
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: Seahawks did last year that their clamor for more from
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: the Mariners, and I think that's where a lot of
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: the frustration comes from.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: But I don't feel like, just get me to football
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: season this year.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: I think, especially because of the excitement we had towards
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: the end of the Mariners season last year, that we
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: want more. And that is also why we're seeing the
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: passion from people, because we want that and more.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, we got within eight outs of a World Series
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: here last last fall. No, No, they have basically the
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: same team coming back. Yeah, they exactly.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: I mean I went home to my husband at one
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: o'clock in the morning two nights in a row, smelling
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: like champagne and cigars and had to tell him, I
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: swear to god, I did not have a drink and
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: I did not smoke a cigar.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: It was great.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 4: They clinched a.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: Playoff spot one night, then they clinched the aos the
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: next night. And I had never seen a happier place
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: when I've been in a clubhouse or a locker room.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: And there is there are lines forming down Occidental to
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: cross the street to get into the left field gate.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: There's lines up in down Royal Brown. Who lines up
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: and down First Avenue South Here at Jimmy's on First
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: for a day game on a Wednesday in July.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: It's a hot ticket and it's I mean.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: A ninety degree day. It's a middling Reds team that
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: they're playing, and they're still gonna have thirty five thousand
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: in here.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: Today and they still have tickets available.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: I was looking it up out of curiosity to see
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: there's some affordable tickets out there.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: If you just wanted to take a ride down, come
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: on down if.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: You want to blow off the afternoon of work.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: We're just hanging out with Greg at Jimmy's with me exactly.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: I'll be out of here and a half hour and
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: go across the street into the stadium. Beautiful four to
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: five Joel here. Three things from Joel. One Dan Wilson
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: couldn't manage a little league team. Two to Poto can't
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: find hitters period. And three Army in the Under much love,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: thanks Joel. Thanks for making me laugh.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: Love that, Joel.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll be doing We'll be doing Army in the
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: Under quite a bit again.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 4: This fault December twelfth, Greg and I will be there.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll do our in our weekly kicks on our show.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: We'll definitely Army in the Under will be on more
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: in a few times that were pretty well for me
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: a couple of seasons ago, twenty some wins on that year.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: Speaking of Army football. By the way, the there was
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: a West Point classmate of mine, Paul Webb, from Western
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: New York. They went and visited last week before I
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: went and saw my mom in Detroit. He sent me
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: this stat yesterday that in the American Athletic Association that
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: Army plays in, they had a list of all the
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: transfer transactions in the football programs of that conference since
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: last year. Memphis, where my buddy doctor Reed Scott is
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: the athletic director. Memphis had eighty eight transfer comings and
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: goings since last the end of last season in college.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: On the college, the rosters some one hundred and four
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: or one hundred five, it can be any there's not
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: a roster women anymore, but generally he's one hundred some players.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: Eighty eight transfers leaving and coming. How many? You know
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: how many? Army had zero. Zero Again for the one
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: and eightieth consecutives year of Army football, we had zero.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 4: It's a dedication.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: They don't do the NIO game. They don't bring in
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: people to start over from their freshman year because you
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: can't bring in if you transfer into West Point, you
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: got to start at day one as a plead year
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: zero and graduate on a four year program. They don't
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: make exceptions for that. And once you get into the
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: service academy, you're trying to graduate become an officer in antenate.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: So yeah, Army zero. Even Navy had two, they were
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: two departures, but zero, Memphis eighty. I'm gonna send that
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: note to my buddy, doctor Ed Scott.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 4: And it is quite the stat It is quite the stat.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: For two five three, we talked about Zach Sharmoney going
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: on the physically enable to perform list this morning for
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: the Seahawk No surprise there makes him eligible if he
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: needs to stay on that list throughout the preseason to
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: be on the publish to begin the regular season, that
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: would miss mean he would miss the first four games.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: No one expected him to be back at the beginning
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: of the season from the reconstructiveknee surgeon February. But the
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: two POY three ask what is Tory Horton's status. Well,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: we're gonna find that out the next couple days. As
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: the veterans continue to report to Seahawk training camp I
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: mentioned earlier in the show, they then take physicals. If
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: they don't pass those physicals, they go on some kind
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: of injury list. I expect Tory Horton to be on
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: the pup list too. He was not practicing during OTA's
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: or mini camp. If he's not ready to practice, he'll
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: probably be on the pup list to be in camp
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: as well. Member Again, as in the Nickema Warri case,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: players on the pup list to begin training camp can
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: come back to practice. Can we be on the practice
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: field in camp as soon as they passed their physical
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: I'm Next, I finess the Mayor and Maple Valley. I
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: believe he's in the studio with Jessamin up to Tellia Bay.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: We'll see what a EN's got on the show. Next,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: I'm live at Jimmy's on First. It's filling up a
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: T Mobile Park for the Mariners in red starting this
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  Speaker 2: afternoon ninety three point three KJRFM. Welcome back to the show,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: Drake Bell, Jasmin McIntire with you every weekday ten Amvenoon.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: I met Jimmy's on First, right across the street from
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: the left field gate of T Mobile Park, where the
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: Mariners and Reds played the third and final game of
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: their series. In the final game of the Mariners homestand
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: day game mat and a ball at the yard. Mariners
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: half game out of first place in the Al West,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: heading after this game to Texas to play the Rangers,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: the first place Rangers for three in Arlington. Jimmy's' is packed.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: I'm just still kind of surprised not to mention the
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: big crowd forming outside the left field gate. A couple
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: other things I didn't mentioned so far in the show
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: I was gonna bring up at the end when he
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: joins us down in Portland. The other team that the
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: Paul G. Allen Trust and Jody Allen sold to this year,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: this past year, last spring actually was Tom Dundon for
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: four billion dollars. He bought the NBA's Portland Trailblazers. Well,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: Dundon is not making friends in Portland now after seventy
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: layoffs of front off of staff. He's cutting the Blazers
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: broadcasting team. He's cutting long time TV analyst Michael Holton,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: statistician Tom Haberstow, Neil Everett, the former ESPN anchor who
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: was a part time host of the Blazers pregame postgame shows,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: Jamie Hudson. They're all depart in the Blazers broadcast team.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: There's talk of deep pay cuts or non renewed contracts
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: in the future of play by play announcer Kevin Collabor.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: The institution is also uncertain. That's what Tom done and
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: is doing. On top of all he's already done in
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: Portland with the Blazers. The other thing I wanted to
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: bring up is yesterday I was on Paul Sylvie and
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: Chris Egan's show on King five, The Ultimate Sports Podcast
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: on King five and CONGTV and KINGFI Sports dot Com.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: And they asked me about the new ownership and what
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: I expected them maybe to do one of the first
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: moves they make and changes they make, and I told
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: him that the owners want to really make a positive
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: impression on veteran players such as Julian Love. They all
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: installed real grass in Loomenfield and don't tell me it
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: can't be done in the winter because it rains here.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: It absolutely can be done. And if he wanted to
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: be friends with his players, new owner benode Kozla and
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: his family could invest. It just takes money. They do
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: it in Pittsburgh, they do it in Cincinnati, excuse me,
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  Speaker 2: in Cleveland. They do it in Chicago. They do it
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  Speaker 2: in Green Bay with an elaborate warming system under a
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  Speaker 2: grass food in Green Bay, which is a frozen tundra.
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  Speaker 2: It's possible. It just takes ownership money and fornessa Maria
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  Speaker 2: and Maple Valley is on from the Lat Bay studios
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  Speaker 2: back up the street.
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  Speaker 10: Hello, sir, it's not gonna happen.
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  Speaker 2: Greg Wells going, but it's not.
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  Speaker 10: I don't think it's just the money. It's just it's
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  Speaker 10: the stadium, you know, I mean, they it's You've got
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  Speaker 10: an mls team an NWSL team, unless that changes. If so,
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  Speaker 10: eventually the Sounders are talking about concerts, all the other
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  Speaker 10: events concerts in Pittsburgh.
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  Speaker 2: I know they do.
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  Speaker 10: But I'm telling you, Greg, I did. I did a
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  Speaker 10: whole bunch of this research the other day with a
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  Speaker 10: guy that actually does turf, and hopefully I might have
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  Speaker 10: the information the next not today or tomorrow, but hopefully
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  Speaker 10: but early next week. It is that's stadium is used
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  Speaker 10: so much that it would be it's just not. It
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  Speaker 10: just doesn't pencil out.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's a chicken and egg thing. The stadium's use
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  Speaker 2: so much because it doesn't have a grass field, that's why.
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  Speaker 10: But you're not but you're talking about at some point,
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  Speaker 10: because at some point you're probably talking about, Okay, we're
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  Speaker 10: gonna have ten NFL games there and maybe that's it.
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  Speaker 10: Maybe one concert in the summer, then we replace the turf.
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  Speaker 2: Pittsburgh has like half a dozen concerts in the summer
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  Speaker 2: pit plan that they have.
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  Speaker 10: Right, I'm just I'm just telling you that I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Going to spend billions of dollars to the Roody family
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  Speaker 2: spends money to replace that field two or three times
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  Speaker 2: a year.
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  Speaker 10: But the Seahawks don't own the stadium, correct, They so,
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  Speaker 10: so it would have to be. It's almost you were
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  Speaker 10: talking about Portland. It's almost like we were talking about
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  Speaker 10: with Portland, like who's really going to pay for it? Like,
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  Speaker 10: who's really going to pay for it? That's the question. Well, right,
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  Speaker 10: And I'm gonna push back on something else too. I'm
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  Speaker 10: there are a handful of players that want to say
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  Speaker 10: that we want to have grass and only grass. There's
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  Speaker 10: other guys that will tell you no because and you
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  Speaker 10: know who usually is lineman. They don't like it, and
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  Speaker 10: because you've got to try to anchor on hell. I
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  Speaker 10: can remember going when Charlotte had the natural grass, which,
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  Speaker 10: by the way, they switched back right to turf now yep, right,
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  Speaker 10: And I remember sitting there on We're doing a I know,
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  Speaker 10: got five hour pregame show for that playoff game, and
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  Speaker 10: guys are coming off and they're losing their mind because
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  Speaker 10: of how bad the grass was like and it's like
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  Speaker 10: barely grass. It's like slicker around. Green Bay is not
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  Speaker 10: a great turf field, even with all the warming and stuff.
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  Speaker 10: I've been on it. I've talked to guys. It's not great.
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  Speaker 10: Like I think there's guys I think if you really
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  Speaker 10: pulled like an actual, like a not a public poll,
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  Speaker 10: but just like let's do an anonymous poll across the league.
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  Speaker 10: I bet it would be closer than you think. With field, turf,
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  Speaker 10: no field, I bet it'd be fifty to fifty.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. But my point is there are a lot of
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  Speaker 2: players who just want to do it for their long
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  Speaker 2: term help their flags, they're all and you're right, there
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  Speaker 2: are anchor guys on the line of scrimmage who don't
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  Speaker 2: want to do that right there. I will also tell
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  Speaker 2: you anecdotally there are guys, including that play for the Rams,
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  Speaker 2: who hate SOFI stadiums turf.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, well, and that's that's the other problem is not
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  Speaker 10: all turf has created the same much like not all
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  Speaker 10: grasses created the same. Hell remember the first what six years,
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  Speaker 10: seven years, we're going to Levi Stadium and how bad
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  Speaker 10: that was and how guys hated it. Guys hated it.
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  Speaker 10: So you know how they you know how those guys
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  Speaker 10: make make a good impression status flipping quote right, you
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  Speaker 10: don't mess with and business wise.
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  Speaker 2: Well true, but how realistic is it that they're going
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  Speaker 2: to spend six billion dollars and not change the thing.
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  Speaker 10: Well, that's the thing. I mean, I guess if you're
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  Speaker 10: Chuck Harlan, you're looking over your shoulder right and you
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  Speaker 10: know Amy Sprangers and and the rest of the group
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  Speaker 10: on the business side. But I think all you have
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  Speaker 10: to do is look at the bottom line and say,
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  Speaker 10: God that these guys kind of know what they're.
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  Speaker 2: Doing right wise.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, I think that. Now, remember the last not
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  Speaker 10: before Paul Island, the last big big sale, the ken
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  Speaker 10: Barring sale.
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  Speaker 2: What did they do?
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  Speaker 10: They came in immediately change the football side, Chuck Knox out,
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  Speaker 10: Mike McCormick out, bringing these guys. So it's not it
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  Speaker 10: is so different. It's the defending Super Bowl champions. This
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  Speaker 10: is so different than others.
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  Speaker 2: It's unprecedent.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah right, it's so different.
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  Speaker 2: So what do you What do you got going to?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 10: You just get a party down there all day and
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  Speaker 10: got it sounds like a massive b there's as.
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  Speaker 2: Many people's in here for the World Cup. Maybe officers
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  Speaker 2: walking in.
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  Speaker 10: Oh right now, are you okay? Are you okay with that?
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  Speaker 2: No? I don't think so. I think so.
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  Speaker 10: Corbus Smith joining us twelve twenty. We got Dwight James.
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  Speaker 10: You're talking about Portland coming up at one o'clock. What
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  Speaker 10: an absolute nightmare collabor You're gonna touch him? Well, a
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  Speaker 10: lot of people get be touched. We'll talk and also
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  Speaker 10: does it affect the sonic situation?
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  Speaker 2: Dude?
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  Speaker 10: And at two o'clock Stu Mandel talking college football.
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