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Super Bowl LX Pre: Early Thoughts On Why Super Bowl LX Is Most Unique Super Bowl In A Quarter Century · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome to the Inside the Birds super Bowl
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: pre preview. It's Jeff Mosher and I promised everybody in
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: the last show that I did that I wasn't gonna
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  Speaker 1: go an entire two weeks before talking about the Super
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: Bowl matchup. I wasn't gonna wait until the Saturday before
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  Speaker 1: to drop my preview show. So I'll give you some
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  Speaker 1: initial thoughts on this matchup between the New England Patriots
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  Speaker 1: and the Seattle Seahawks, and then the following Saturday, I'll
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: probably have my final preview of the game. Just give
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  Speaker 1: you some early thoughts on the matchup and some other
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  Speaker 1: things going on around the NFL league. With lots lots
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  Speaker 1: of movement, just so much movement, head coach movement, offensive
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  Speaker 1: coordinator movement, defensive coordinator movement, position coach movement. I cannot
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  Speaker 1: remember a single off season with this much movement, but
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna you'll have that when you have ten head
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  Speaker 1: coaching changes. Obviously head coaches bring in their own people,
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  Speaker 1: then you get executive changes. The one in Minnesota not
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  Speaker 1: shocking if you'd known what was going on, but shocking
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  Speaker 1: of the timing of it that they fire their GM.
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  Speaker 1: I believe quasi. Adolph Mensa is from Cherry Hill, New Jersey.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, I'm not mistaken a local guy there.
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  Speaker 1: So really just interesting stuff going around the league right now,
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  Speaker 1: and that's causing a lot of movement, and it's caused
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  Speaker 1: a lot of uncertainty, and teams are still trying to
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  Speaker 1: build up themselves and get ready while you still have
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  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl going on. So it's very fascinating time
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  Speaker 1: in the league if you're into that stuff, that movement,
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  Speaker 1: that tracking, that not only what it means for individuals,
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  Speaker 1: but what it means for a franchise like the Eagles.
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  Speaker 1: They get themselves a new offensive coordinator in Sean Manion,
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  Speaker 1: who is completely cuts against the grain, we think because
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  Speaker 1: he's never been a play caller or an offensive coordinator
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  Speaker 1: and only a coach in the NFL for a few years.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we can only guess and think what kind
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  Speaker 1: of concepts and scheme he's going to bring to the Eagles,
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  Speaker 1: But we really don't know. We're just going off of
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  Speaker 1: his background. But if what we think he's going to
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  Speaker 1: bring to the Eagles is true, which is a lot
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  Speaker 1: of that McVeigh style of offense, a lot of under center,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of play action. That's stuff that the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: haven't been doing at all. I mean, they dabbled in
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  Speaker 1: it last year with mixed results for the first time,
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  Speaker 1: but for the most part, that's not really their identity
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  Speaker 1: of an offense. And so that's why a lot of
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  Speaker 1: these head coaching changes and coordinator changes, it's not just
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  Speaker 1: about the guy calling the play, but it's about that
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  Speaker 1: what kind of impact that's going to have on the
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  Speaker 1: team altogether. So it's really fascinating, and you know it's
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  Speaker 1: still going on. If you read my colleague at the
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  Speaker 1: time of me recording this, my colleague at Philly Voice,
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  Speaker 1: Jimmie Kenski, had a big scoop on Philly Voice that
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  Speaker 1: Vic Fangio had considered retirement and the Eagles had considered
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  Speaker 1: replacements for fans. You already with Jonathan Gannon and Jim Schwartz,
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  Speaker 1: you know, two guys who've been in the building before
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  Speaker 1: in that job. So that's how serious it has been
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  Speaker 1: getting for the Eagles. And it sounds like they're expecting
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  Speaker 1: him back, but you just you just never know. So
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  Speaker 1: we'll see. It would not surprise me if he came back,
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  Speaker 1: but then I think his contract runs through next year.
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  Speaker 1: Wouldn't surprise me if next year was his last year,
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  Speaker 1: and then the likeliest successor I would think would be
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  Speaker 1: Joe Casper, who just got promoted to pass game and
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  Speaker 1: defensive backs coach pass game coordinator. He was a safety's coach.
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  Speaker 1: He is Vic's kind of right hand man. He was
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  Speaker 1: here in Philadelphia, then he went with VIC to Miami
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  Speaker 1: when Vic became a defensive coordinator there. Despite the fact
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  Speaker 1: that they did not have a coaching connection. VIC had
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  Speaker 1: just been hanging around the Eagles, as we know in
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two and really took a liking to Joe Casper,
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  Speaker 1: brought him to Miami, then brought him back to Philly,
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  Speaker 1: and he'll probably be the next defensive coordinator if VIC
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  Speaker 1: retires and the franchise isn't blown to bits. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you never know what the Eagles if they have a
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  Speaker 1: bad year, they could just completely clean house. So a
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  Speaker 1: lot remains to be seen there with the Philadelphia Eagles,
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  Speaker 1: but that is the plan, and there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: movement going on in the NFL. I'll get to that
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more in this show, but I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to give you some really some things that fascinate me
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  Speaker 1: about this Super Bowl between the Patriots and the Seahawks.
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  Speaker 1: What's interesting is sort of that they met, you know,
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  Speaker 1: not too long ago in the Super Bowl that was
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  Speaker 1: the legion of Boom Seahawks and of course the Peyton
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  Speaker 1: Manning I'm sorry, not Tom Brady Patriots, legion of Boom Seahawks.
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  Speaker 1: We all know that. You know, the Seattle was trying
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  Speaker 1: to win their second straight Super Bowl that year. They
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  Speaker 1: fell short. There was the interception at the goal line,
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  Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, Malcolm Butler, why didn't you run the ball
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  Speaker 1: Pete Carroll with you know, your huge and unbelievable running
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  Speaker 1: back at the time, Marshawn Lynch. I mean that that's
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  Speaker 1: what that super Bowl is infamous for. And then all
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  Speaker 1: these years later that was super Bowl forty nine. So
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  Speaker 1: eleven years later they meet and there are just two
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  Speaker 1: completely different franchises. What strikes me, what makes this the
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  Speaker 1: most interesting super Bowl matchup that we've had in a
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  Speaker 1: long time, is that this is the first super Bowl
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  Speaker 1: since Super Bowl thirty eight, okay, in which no team
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  Speaker 1: or neither of the teams had made the playoffs the
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  Speaker 1: year before. All Right, super Bowl thirty eight was Patriots
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  Speaker 1: versus Panthers. All right, so that is that is now
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  Speaker 1: if I'm doing the math here, two and three, that's
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  Speaker 1: like twenty three years ago. So it's the first Super
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  Speaker 1: Bowl in twenty three years that neither contestant had been
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  Speaker 1: in the playoffs the year before. But I think it's
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  Speaker 1: even more unique than that, going further than that, because
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  Speaker 1: in two thousand and three when the Patriots played the Panthers,
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  Speaker 1: that was Brady's everybody remembers that, that was Brady's second
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowl victory. The Panthers were getting destroyed for about
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  Speaker 1: on a half and then maybe even better part of
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  Speaker 1: three quarters, and then all of a sudden, wait, was
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  Speaker 1: it destroyed or was it just they weren't playing well
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  Speaker 1: and it was close, but all of a sudden the
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  Speaker 1: third and the late in the fourth quarter, Brady and
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  Speaker 1: Jake Dell home from the Panthers. Just I mean, it
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  Speaker 1: was like Anon. They were throwing touchdowns all over the place.
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  Speaker 1: And then the game ends with the Patriots winning thirty
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  Speaker 1: two to twenty nine. It was it was a low
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  Speaker 1: scoring game at halftime, and then by the end of
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  Speaker 1: it you had over sixty points on the board between
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  Speaker 1: the two teams. And again, so that was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a long, long time ago, twenty two years ago. But
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  Speaker 1: I don't to me, that's not as unique as this
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowl because even though the Patriots hadn't made the
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  Speaker 1: playoffs the year before, the Panthers came out of nowhere.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody expected that the Patriots, though two years before that
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  Speaker 1: had won the Super Bowl over the Rams. That was
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  Speaker 1: Tom Brady's first Super Bowl. So there were a lot
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  Speaker 1: of guys on that two thousand and three Patriots team. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: they didn't make it into the playoffs two thousand and two,
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  Speaker 1: but in two thousand and three, you know, you got
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  Speaker 1: a lot of guys on that team that had won
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  Speaker 1: it with Brady in two thousand and one. So if
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  Speaker 1: you're really gonna go back and find the last time
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  Speaker 1: two teams were in the Super Bowl, bawl that nobody
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  Speaker 1: predicted them to be in the Super Bowl. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that's fair. No one saw this Patriots team that
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  Speaker 1: won I think four games the year before in the
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and I think we expected the Seahawks would
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  Speaker 1: be better, but I didn't hear anybody putting them in
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  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. The Rams were considered the class of
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  Speaker 1: the NFC West, the Niners. People felt would have a
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  Speaker 1: bounce back year from the year before. I think we
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  Speaker 1: all thought that the Seahawks would be an improved team,
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  Speaker 1: But there were so many questions with how would Sam
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  Speaker 1: Darnold play after they get rid of Gito Smith and
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  Speaker 1: you know they had fired their oc to bring in
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  Speaker 1: Clint Kobik. There were a lot of changes. They were
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  Speaker 1: clearly building something under Mike McDonald, But I don't think
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  Speaker 1: anybody saw this team in the Super Bowl. So well,
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  Speaker 1: you have to go back to me all the way.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of dynasties, a lot of a lot
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  Speaker 1: of homes, there's a lot of of course, some Niners
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  Speaker 1: teams in there. There's some obviously all the Brady uh Patriots.
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  Speaker 1: Seems you have to go back to me to the
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  Speaker 1: Giants versus the Ravens in two thousand. That was Super
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  Speaker 1: Bowl thirty five, Okay, so that is a long long
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  Speaker 1: time ago. Well it's three years before in the two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and three Super Bowl. Just reference, So you go
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  Speaker 1: back to about twenty six years before, you can come
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  Speaker 1: and find a matchup where you just couldn't see both
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  Speaker 1: teams in the Super Bowl the year in the two
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  Speaker 1: thousand the Giants played the Ravens in the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 1: Neither team had made the playoffs the year before. The
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  Speaker 1: Giants were seven to nine that year and the Ravens
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  Speaker 1: were eight to eight. And in fact, the Giants had
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  Speaker 1: only been in the playoffs one time and they lost
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  Speaker 1: the first round in the prior six years, so there
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  Speaker 1: was no build up. They were in the second year
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  Speaker 1: that year of Kerry Collins. You know, they were hoping
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  Speaker 1: to be competitive. I'm sure this is like prior to
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  Speaker 1: you know, Andy Reid coming to the Eagles and transforming
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  Speaker 1: them into annual division contenders. So Jim Fossil was the coach,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, Jason Seahorn I believe was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: one of their star players, and it might have been
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: I think straighthand was probably just starting off on the
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  Speaker 1: I really forget, you know, who the who the building
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  Speaker 1: blocks of that Giants team was in the in the
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  Speaker 1: two thousand. The Ravens similarly, remember the Ravens in two
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  Speaker 1: thousand had only been the Ravens for about four years.
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  Speaker 1: They had, you know, come over from the Cleveland the
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  Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns, everybody remembers the story kind of leave and
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  Speaker 1: go to uh to Baltimore and take them to Baltimore
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  Speaker 1: after Baltimore had lost the Colts, you know, several years
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  Speaker 1: before that. But yeah, the Browns expand into I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: the Ravens expand into Baltimore in ninety six, I believe.
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  Speaker 1: And they were just an average to blow average team.
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  Speaker 1: They actually hadn't been none of those players had been
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  Speaker 1: in the playoffs since nineteen ninety five when they were
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  Speaker 1: the Browns, and they won eleven games under a guy
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  Speaker 1: named Bill Belichick. All Right, so a year later, they're
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  Speaker 1: in Baltimore, they're building up, they're in just an average team,
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  Speaker 1: and then bam, in two thousand, they are in the
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  Speaker 1: super Bowl. So to me, this is the most unique
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  Speaker 1: matchup of teams that you couldn't have predicted to be
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  Speaker 1: in the super Bowl since the two thousand seasons. That's
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  Speaker 1: twenty six years, or maybe let's see if that's a
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  Speaker 1: two thousand season that super Bowls play in two thousand
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: and one, the Super Bowls played in two tho. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: twenty five years. Okay, that's a long, long long time.
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  Speaker 1: I uh man, I'm gonna be fifty this year. So
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: I was twenty five when that super Bowl took place,
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: which is kind of amazing. All the things that have
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: happened to me in my life. When I think about
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: that that Giants Ravens Super Bowl, that the Ravens defense was,
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  Speaker 1: This was early Ray Lewis. This was a great Ravens
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  Speaker 1: defense under Brian Bill, who was supposed to be an
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  Speaker 1: offensive mind to head coach. And if you remember, the
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  Speaker 1: Ravens started that year with Tony Banks as their quarterback,
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  Speaker 1: who was a very good passer of the ball but
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  Speaker 1: had huge fumbling issues. I mean he could he was
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  Speaker 1: with the Rams when they were in Saint Louis, then
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  Speaker 1: he comes over to Baltimore. He could always throw the ball.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, I remember him when he was at Michigan
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  Speaker 1: State because I think I was at Penn State when
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  Speaker 1: Tony Banks was quarterback at Michigan State. I think I
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  Speaker 1: was a student there at the time. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: Banks could always throw the ball, but he couldn't hang
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  Speaker 1: on to the ball. He was a fumble machine while
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: he was with the Rams, and then he came to
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  Speaker 1: the Ravens and then he you know, at some point
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  Speaker 1: Trent Doupher became the quarterback and they were basically just
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  Speaker 1: running the ball with a rookie running back named Jamal
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  Speaker 1: Lewis getting as much as they could at a Trent
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  Speaker 1: douper veteran at the time, and really riding a defense
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  Speaker 1: that was that was just an unbelievable defense with Ray Lewis.
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  Speaker 1: Want to say bowl weear Peter Boulwaer coming off the edge.
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  Speaker 1: They had. God, they had some pretty good players in
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  Speaker 1: the secondary who were scape me right now. I mean
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  Speaker 1: they were a Chris what was his name? You know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to cheat here and start looking at
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  Speaker 1: the roster. I just you know, going off what I
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  Speaker 1: remember from this team twenty five years ago. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Ray Lewis, they had a couple guys in the secondary
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  Speaker 1: that were amazing, good guys up front in bowlwear and
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  Speaker 1: and Lewis of course, and they were just a great defense.
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  Speaker 1: It was an unbelievable defensive team they had. The Giant
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  Speaker 1: Giants couldn't move the ball against them at all. The
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  Speaker 1: Ravens went into the halftime with lead. The Giants came
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  Speaker 1: out and returned the opening kickoff for a touchdown. If
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  Speaker 1: I'm correct, I can't remember the guy's name off the
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  Speaker 1: top of my head. He returns a kick for a touchdown,
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  Speaker 1: and then I do think I remember this guy's name.
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  Speaker 1: I believe the very next kickoff by the Giants was
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  Speaker 1: returned for a touchdown by Jermaine Lewis. It's either that
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  Speaker 1: or his punt. Maybe somebody forced the punt punt return.
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  Speaker 1: But they were back to back return touchdowns in that game.
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  Speaker 1: And when the Giants got one and then right away
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  Speaker 1: gave it one up to the Ravens, you knew that
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  Speaker 1: the Ravens were just gonna wind up winning that game
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  Speaker 1: and carrying on. They did. They did. They dominated that game,
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  Speaker 1: they wanted thirty four to seven. That game was played
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  Speaker 1: in Tampa. I remember that, so uh yeah that to me,
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  Speaker 1: this is the most unique matchup since that Super Bowl
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  Speaker 1: in that how it took for both of these teams
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  Speaker 1: to get here was unbelievable. The Patriots, you know, a
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  Speaker 1: couple of years removed from just a couple of years
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  Speaker 1: removed from Belichick. Last year, you know, they went through
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  Speaker 1: it with Drob Mayo. I never liked the fact that
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: they hired Drob Mayo just to fire him. I understand
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: like Vrabel became available. I understand he was a linebacker,
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: Championship linebacker during the Brady era. I understand all the
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: reasons that they would want. I just that they handed
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: they made Rod Mario the successor at Belichick, which is
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: an impossible situation, gave him a terrible roster, and then
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: when he didn't win, basically cut him off after a
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  Speaker 1: year because Mike Rabel became available. And then they spent
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  Speaker 1: a truckload of money and had their quarterback in year two.
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  Speaker 1: So it kind of sucked for draw Mayo. I hated
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: the way that went down for him, But obviously a
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  Speaker 1: great job done by Mike Rabel. And by the way
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  Speaker 1: these teams came together. By the way, there's a very
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  Speaker 1: interesting tie here. I don't know that I've seen reported on. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: the Patriots general manager is Elliott Wolf, and it was
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  Speaker 1: weird how he got the job. You know, Belichick was
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  Speaker 1: still the cizarre there a couple of years ago Wolf
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  Speaker 1: was in the front office. Then the Drawd Mayo year,
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  Speaker 1: they had Wolf making the call out, actually ordaining him
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  Speaker 1: as the GM. But he is now the GM, and
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  Speaker 1: he put this team, a lot of this team together
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  Speaker 1: all right, and he made a ton of free agent
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  Speaker 1: moves that worked out, trades that worked out. You know,
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  Speaker 1: he brought in Steph Diggs, it worked out, brought in
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  Speaker 1: Christian Gazal drafted Christian Gals, worked out, spent a ton
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  Speaker 1: of money on. Milton Williams has played unbelievably throughout. He
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: had a good regular season. I know it was inhibited
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  Speaker 1: a little bit by an injury, but he has been
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  Speaker 1: amazing in the playoffs. Worked out. Carlton Davis, free Agencigning
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  Speaker 1: worked out so really good moves of course by Elliott Wolf.
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  Speaker 1: Their GM. On the other side, Seattle's GM is John Schneider,
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  Speaker 1: has been there forever. He built the legion in a
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  Speaker 1: boom team that won a Super Bowl with Pete Carroll.
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  Speaker 1: All right, there's a tie that binds these guys that
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: they both come from the Packers organization. John Schneider was
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: a scout for the Packers for a couple of years
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  Speaker 1: when they were there under legendary Hall of Fame General
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  Speaker 1: manager Ron Wolf, who you know basically Ron Wolf. You
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: know all about Ron Wolf. He has three Super Bowl rings.
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  Speaker 1: He has one as the GM of the Packers under
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: you know, he was the man, along with Mike Holmgren,
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  Speaker 1: who was basically responsible for making the Packers what we
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: see of them today, which is a team that is
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  Speaker 1: almost always in the playoffs. Almost always has elite quarterback play,
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  Speaker 1: great defenses, great coaching. I mean, the Packers are a
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  Speaker 1: fantastic organization a year in and year. They don't win
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  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl a whole lot, you know, but they
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: are the smallest market obviously in the NFL, and yet
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: there's so much history, there's so much tradition that has
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  Speaker 1: been carried on. They're a lot like the Steelers in
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: that regard. They're a lot like the current Ravens in
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  Speaker 1: that regard. And that you know, they have a ton
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  Speaker 1: of great executives. They always have a ton of great coaches.
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  Speaker 1: They always figure out a way to get a really
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: good to elite quarterback. And the way they are built
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: running game, defense, They scouting, they usually hit on their
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  Speaker 1: draft picks, build from the inside out. Very very solid organization.
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  Speaker 1: John Schneider came up through the Packers chain under Ron Wolf,
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  Speaker 1: went to Seattle and built a team that is very
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Green Bay Ish in how they operate a little differently,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a lot more known for their secondary play
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  Speaker 1: more so than their upfront play, but still strong defensive teams,
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  Speaker 1: gotten good quarterback play, you know, from Russell Wilson and
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  Speaker 1: now Sam Darnold and then On the other end, Elliott
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  Speaker 1: Wolf is Ron Wolfe's son, so he obviously did not
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: come up. He came up through the Packers. Shane Ron
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: had already retired by the nd. It was more of
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: a Ted Thompson operation, who was another great gm who
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: learned under Ron Wolf and carried on the tradition there
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: in Green Bay before. Now you have Brian Guttenkunst who
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: is their general manager. But there's a family there, you know,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: John Schneider, Elliott Wolf, that green Bay chain. Both of
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: them go in different directions. They leave Green Bay and
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: they have both built Super Bowl contenders that are going
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: to play against each other. They're built differently. Obviously. The
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Patriots have been more built on free agency and bringing
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: in guys from the outside, which is not a Green
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Bay thing, by the way, but it is a green
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Bay thing to build through the draft and take your shots.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: I mean that goes back to Wolf getting Reggie White,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: which is painful for Eagles fans to come to Green Bay,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: and he won a Super Bowl there. He would always
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: the Packers under round White and then Ted Thompson would
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: always have a core that they built through the draft,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: but then somebody that they added you know, whether it
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: was Reggie White, whether it was Charles Woodson, somebody that
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: they would add trading to get. You know, Brett Favre,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: he was a trade with Atlanta. Nobody knew who Brett
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Farv was. Mike Hall, Holmgren identified him. Body had some talent,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: brought him in and the next thing you know, he's
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: a future Hall of Fame quarterback. Right, So that is
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: the packer. But this Patriots team built a little bit
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: more because they had so much money to spend. They
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: were terrible. They had gotten huge contracts off the books,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: and then they had money to spend, so they brought
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: in you know, they brought in Milton Williams for a
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: lot of money. They brought in Carlton Davis for a
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: lot of money. They brought in Steph Diggs, paid him
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: some money that nobody really thought at the time was smart.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: I think they gave him a three year deal when
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: it looked like Steph Diggs was on his last legs
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: after just an average season in Houston. So good on them,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Good on their scouting. You know, they do have a
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: lot of good guys that they drafted from Barmoard to
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: of course, Drake May, who an MVP season at Gonzales,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: who's a really good player. Smart team. I mean, listen,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: they drafted Treyvon Henderson. He's a big part of what
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: they do. They signed Hunter Henry years ago in free
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: agency because they were big on tight ends and he's
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: made contributions. You know, they drafted the left tackle out
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: of LSU. So I'm not trying to make it seem
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: like this Patriots team is built all through the draft.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry, it's built all through free agency.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: They've got a lot of core players that they drafted,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: but you know, they also have some real outstanding players
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: from free agency and trades that have helped them. And
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: that speaks Elliot Wolf sort of having that packer mentality
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: where it's okay to be aggressive when the opportunity presents itself.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I don't think you'll see this Patriots team be this
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: aggressive in free agency going forward. Now with all these
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: big contracts they have, excuse me, they'll probably be built
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: more through the draft. But it worked out for them.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: And you look at the Seahawks team. Now, this is
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: kind of packerish that it's almost entirely, especially on offense,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: almost entirely built through the draft, they got two first
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: round picks on the offensive line, a third round pick
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: on the offensive line. Through the outside guys, obviously, the
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: big one is Sam Darnold. That's their Reggie White. That
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: was their big splash. They took a gamble on and
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: it is worked out, unbelieve fievably. Donald has been everything
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: they wanted and more. He has shed that reputation that
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: he can't get it done in a big game under pressure.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: They certainly has uh, and now he's one win away
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: from proving a lot of people wrong and becoming a
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl champion.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: The other guys, you know, the trade for Rashid Shaheed
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: was very smart, very crafty. Shaheed had played for Clint Kubiak,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: their offensive coordinator the year before, and when Clint was
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: with the New Orleans Saints, they obviously drafted Smith and Jigbah.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: It was a great pick. Cooper Cup has made some
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: really big plays throughout the playoffs. Not maybe throughout the
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: whole year, but certainly in the playoffs. He was a
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: guy that they signed in free agency. But that's about
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: that's it. The Cup was a modest free agent signing
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Shaheed was a good, smart, practical trade, but it's not
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: like they give him first round pick for him. And
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: then of course the decision to go in and gets
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Sam Darnold was what put them over the top. On defense,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: you see a lot of guys build through the draft,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: a'm and Warri Their safety has been unbelievable for them,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Woolan and Bryant both of their and Witherspoon all three
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: of their three of their defensive backs that they drafted.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Julian Love was obviously a free agent signing. They trade
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: for Ernest Jones from Tennessee. It helped stabilize their linebacker level.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: They do have two guys up front that they brought
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: in from elsewhere. They got Leonard Williams in a trade
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: with the Giants a couple of years ago, DeMarcus Lawrence
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: free agent signing. But for the most part, you see
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: guys that were there, boy A Mafe, Derek Hall, and
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: again most of those guys in the secondary. Josh Job
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: was an interesting get for them from the Eagles, who
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: via the forty nine ers. So the defense is a
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: little bit more varied as far as bringing in guys
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: from outside, but most of their you know, a lot
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: of their really impact players like Witherspoon and am and
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Worri were guys that they drafted Byron Murphy, their their
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: first round pick from a couple of years ago. Nose
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: tackle really a good player guy they drafted. So that's
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: what makes this game to me very unique. I mean,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: you have two teams that are have gms, that are
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: like minded and come from the same scouting chain. You've
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: got two head coaches. You know, one who played in
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: the league and came through under the Brady Championship dynasty,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: did well in Tennessee. Mike Vrabel did built them up.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: He's clearly a good coach. He's he cuts against the
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: grain of defensive coaches. He doesn't feel like you have
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: to run all the time. His time management and clock
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: management is very good. His situational management is elite. Mike
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Vrabel is a very very good head coach. You do
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: not see a ton of head coaches who are linebackers.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: It's not one of those positions. Backup quarterback is the
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: is the position. But you have him, and of course
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: you have Mike McDonald who came up in through the
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Baltimore chain. Everybody thought he was a genius on defense,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: and you know, you could say that the Seahawks took
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: a chance on him when I hired him a couple
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: of years ago. This is just his second year. He
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: had done a great job. But you know, he'd been
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: with Baltimore for a long time, was obviously in Michigan
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: at one point with Harbaugh as well. So there's that whole,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: you know, like kind of Jesse Minter now that Harbaugh
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: slash Harball, Baltimore Michigan thing going on. But he had
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: not been with any other NFL team Mike McDonald when
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: he was with the Ravens for as long as he was,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: and then he gets hired to b Seattle's head coach.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: So great decision there, and I believe, if I'm not mistaken,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: they waited a while because Baltimore was going. Yeah, they
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: waited to get Mike McDonald because Baltimore was making a
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: pretty deep run two years ago in the playoffs, and
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: that was worth the wait. As far as the matchup
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: on the field, you know, both quarterbacks are dealing with injuries.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Darnold has been dealing with the old bleak and hasn't
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: really seemingly hurt him. May has been dealing with a
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: shoulder all right, and then he was also out of
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: practice this past week with an illness. Now, May My
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: early thought on this game is that Seattle is the
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: better team. I think they're the better team by ten points.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Both teams lack a whole lot of playoff experience, but
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: at least Donald was there with the Vikings last year.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: You know, this will be May's. This is his first
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: trip to the playoffs. He's played well, but he's turned
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: the ball over. He's been sacked a bunch, He's fumbled
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: a bunch, thrown some interceptions. May has May willed that
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: team to win over the Broncos with his legs more
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: so than his arms. A few nice passes, but really
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: with his legs, and I'm not taking any credit away,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: I think he's been very impressive. I think he's made
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: some really impressive players altogether. Throughout the playoffs, they have
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: had to face some really good defensive teams, starting with
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: the Chargers going on to the Texans, than the Broncos.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: That's maybe three of the four best defenses in the NFL.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: All right, Now you've got to play the Seahawks. Who
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: are you know, maybe the other one? All right, So
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: he has done a great job, but he has turned
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: the ball over and he has taken a lot of hits.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: I would say that I think Donald has played a
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: better brand of quarterback. Now, he may not have had
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: the same schedule that against defenses that New England has
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: had the face, but Donald has done a better job
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: of protecting the ball, better job of making plays. I
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: think the Seahawks have done an excellent job of being
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: able to find ways to take Jackson, Smith and Jigba
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: and line them up all over the field, including the backfield,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: to get him open. They are excellent with Clint Kubiak
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: at manufacturing their offense getting open looks, and Donald and
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Smith and Jigba have taken advantage of it. Smith and
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Jigbuck can beat anybody in this league. So even if
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Christian Gonzalez is on them, I think that they'll figure
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: out ways to get them off press coverage, move them around,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: get them open against the Patriots defense.
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  Speaker 1: be a test to see if Vrabel is like Belichick
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  Speaker 1: in that Belichick was famous for being able in a
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowl game to take out the opponent's number one
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  Speaker 1: guy and try to make you beat them with the rest.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it started when he took Marshall Falk out
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  Speaker 1: of the Saint Louis Rams offense in the first Super
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  Speaker 1: Bowl that Brady ever won, but continued, all that's what
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  Speaker 1: Belichick was known for. If you're going to beat the Patriots,
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  Speaker 1: you need somebody other than your number one guy to
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: step up. So does that mean that Smith and Jigba
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  Speaker 1: is going to be that guy for the Seahawks who
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  Speaker 1: is contained? And then they're gonna need something from either
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  Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker, who had a really great game against the Broncos.
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  Speaker 1: They're gonna need something from Rashichiheed who doesn't catch a
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: whole lot of passes. He has made more of an
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: impact on special teams than catching the passes. Does it
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: mean Barner the tight end? Does it mean Bobo who
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: had a big touchdown against the Rams. Somebody will have
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: to probably have a better game than they ordinarily have.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: If Vrabel channels is inner Belichick and figures out a
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: way to take Jackson, Smith and Jigba out of the game.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: No one has been able to do it yet, so
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: it would truly be some coaching genius if Rabel can
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: do it. But I think that that is gonna be
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: a big part of the matchup. And I would imagine
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: that the team that turns the ball over less will
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: win this game. And I don't think you'll see a
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: whole lot of turnovers from the Seahawks. They play a
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: very clean brand of football. The Patriots have been turning
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: the ball over, I mean, getting away with it, and
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: we'll see if that continues. If that's the case, then
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: I think I'll be right that the Seahawks are about
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: a ten point team better than the New England Patriots.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: I know it's a high number. I know it's a
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: high number. I'm not saying it's gonna be like some
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: kind of blowout. It could be a three point game
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: until the fourth quarter and then next thing, you know,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Seahawks put it in the end zone, go up ten,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: and then the Patriots, you know, have one final driving
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: can't get it done. We'll see other things around the league. Man,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: there's a lot going on. I probably should cover that
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: in another pod unto itself. You know, Adam and I
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: are covering it. You know, I would say it's a
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: What happened in Cleveland is very weird. You know, they
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: hire Monk in with the idea that they want to
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: have Monkin and you know keep Jim Schwartz, who's still
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: under contract there. Schwartz gets pissed as you would imagine
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: says he's never going back there again, leaves, but he's
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: under contract, so I don't know how they would make
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: that work. If they can, they'll probably have to overpay
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Schwartz to continue to stay there and make him happy.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: He's generally the head coach of the defense. Monkin's not
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: going to get in the way. I don't know what
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: their plans for a quarterback, but I do know that
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I think it's a good thing for the Eagles because
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: John Harbaugh can't take Todd Monkin with him now to
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: the Giants. And you know, some people have said, well,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: that's not a great thing because now that's another offensive
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: play caller that the Eagles were completing competing with. But
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: the Eagles were pretty clear once they couldn't, you know,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: get Dable or couldn't get McDaniel, that they were going
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: to look for the brightest, youngest mind and they didn't care.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: And so they bring in Mannion. But now you got
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Harbes looking at maybe bringing in Cliff Kingsbury or Brian Callahan,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of that proven play caller that I
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: think Eagles fans were hoping that the Eagles would want
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: to bring in. So it's really interesting. It'll be I
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: think the most fascinating thing is John Harbaugh was on
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: with Howard Eskin and I'll leave you guys with this.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Harbo is on with Howard Eskin on Howard Eskins I
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  Speaker 1: Guess podcast, and he said something very interesting. He's the
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: first person to actually say this at all that I
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: have seen becoming a head coach in the NFC East.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: That's not for the Eagles. And Harbaugh basically said, we
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: have to build a team to beat the Eagles. Okay,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: I can't remember any coach actually saying that since in
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: the two thousands till now, since the Eagles started their
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: assent to being who they are and winning the NFC
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: East quite a bit and going to Super Bowls and
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: winning a Super Bowl to Super Bowls, all right, I've
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: not seen a coach come for the Giants, or for
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: the Commanders or Football Team Washington whatever, or the Cowboys
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: and say our primary purpose is building a team to
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: beat the Eagles. But this doesn't surprise me that Harbaugh
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: said it. And it's not because he came from the Eagles,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: all right. It is because I think I've told you
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: guys this in prior shows. The Ravens and the Steelers
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: are very like minded organizations. If you ever talk to
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: executives with them, they build their team a specific way.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: They build their team to beat each other. You will
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: hear people from the Ravens say, we know that we
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: need to beat a team that can play in cold weather,
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  Speaker 1: that is physically tough, that is mentally tough, that understands
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  Speaker 1: what these Steelers Ravens games are like. And I have
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  Speaker 1: actually taught both franchises believe that way the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: In Pittsburgh. They know they have to build a team
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  Speaker 1: that can go to Baltimore in December and maybe January,
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  Speaker 1: in cold weather with the wind swirling and beat a
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  Speaker 1: team that is built from the inside out physically tough.
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  Speaker 1: I have spoken to executives from and coaches from both
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  Speaker 1: these teams and they believe that they believe they don't
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  Speaker 1: just build a team. And the fascinating thing is, guys
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  Speaker 1: have told me that there are players that they have
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  Speaker 1: had ranked high in the draft or free agency, mostly
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  Speaker 1: the draft right who they felt were very talented that
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  Speaker 1: they didn't take because they didn't feel that that specific
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  Speaker 1: player could be a quote stealer or be a quote
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  Speaker 1: raven It's not that they didn't have talent, but they
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  Speaker 1: questioned whether that player was built for those those kind
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  Speaker 1: of December January atmosphere games. That there are Steelers in
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  Speaker 1: the Ravens constantly play against each other. So I've told
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  Speaker 1: you guys this, it's about the identity. Those two teams
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  Speaker 1: who were always in the playoffs, the Ravens and Steelers,
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  Speaker 1: they firmly believe in having an identity. And I think
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  Speaker 1: it's very interesting that Hardball coming from over from the
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  Speaker 1: Ravens goes to New York and lays it down right
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  Speaker 1: from the start. We need to build a team that
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  Speaker 1: can beat the Eagles. Okay, so what does that mean?
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  Speaker 1: I imagine the cold weather element is a part of it,
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  Speaker 1: because obviously the Eagles and Giants are going to play
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  Speaker 1: each other in a lot of December games. But it's
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  Speaker 1: more that he knows how, he knows how, how he
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  Speaker 1: thinks he knows how Jeffrey Loriie thinks he knows how
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles have been built. It doesn't always matter who's
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  Speaker 1: their head coach, it doesn't matter what schemer philosophy. He
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  Speaker 1: just knows what the Eagles are and what they're looking for.
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  Speaker 1: And now he has to build his team to be
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  Speaker 1: counter not only counteract that, but then force the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: to have to counteract what they do. I think it's fascinating.
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  Speaker 1: I think it makes for a great renewed rivalry if
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  Speaker 1: the Giants can get up to The Giants got some
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  Speaker 1: talented players, man, they really do. I know people have
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  Speaker 1: been saying that and it hasn't showed, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: they got a lot of first round picks and they
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  Speaker 1: got some players there. So we'll see what Harbaugh does.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that really adds to the rivalry. I
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  Speaker 1: was happy to hear John say it. It reminds me
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  Speaker 1: of his mentality when he was with the Ravens and
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  Speaker 1: many Steelers with the Steelers, and I think that that
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  Speaker 1: can only be a good thing in general for the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles Giants rivalry, which I do think over the next
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  Speaker 1: few years will start to pay. I mean it already.
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  Speaker 1: You saw the Giants beat the Eagles this year and
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  Speaker 1: Jackson's art looks like he's going to be their guy.
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  Speaker 1: And again they've got something. You know, Milik Neighbors is
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  Speaker 1: going to come back from that acl They've got some
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  Speaker 1: dogs up front on that defensive line, Harvall's got a
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  Speaker 1: lot to work with, and I think him acknowledging that
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  Speaker 1: he's got to build a team that has to beat
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  Speaker 1: or can compete and beat the Eagles just makes it
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  Speaker 1: all a very very fascinating potential renewed rivalry going forward.
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  Speaker 1: All right, that's going to be it for this show.
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  Speaker 1: Next weekend, I'll get a little bit more into the
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  Speaker 1: x'es and o's of Seattle versus New England and New
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: England versus Seattle. We'll probably keep that show mostly just
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: a Super Bowl preview. I did want to, I just
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  Speaker 1: I wanted in this show to give you some of
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  Speaker 1: the non x's and o's things, you know, the executives,
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  Speaker 1: where they come from, the scouting trees, how they got here,
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  Speaker 1: how they built their teams, what makes this Super Bowl
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  Speaker 1: so unique, this matchup. I wanted to get into more
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  Speaker 1: of that before we take a deep dive into the
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  Speaker 1: x's and o's week All right, everybody, have a great weekend.
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  Speaker 1: Talk to issue the tree stick it. Stay tuned all
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: week long Inside the Birds coverage of the Eagles, myself, Kaplan,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Andrew deiceco We're probably going to have an inside the
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Data with Sam Finkle on some of Sean Mannion's background
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  Speaker 1: and what we can expect, and we'll have a lot
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: of programming going forward, so everybody have the great rest
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  Speaker 1: of your weekend.