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Empty Nest, Lindsay Clancy & What We’re Talking About After 40 · In My Hometown

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SPEAKER_00: Welcome back to In My Hometown, where we have conversations about all the things that matter after 40.
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SPEAKER_00: And today I'm talking here with Pamela Rothbard.
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SPEAKER_00: She is a family and food and culture writer.
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SPEAKER_00: She also happens to be a really good friend of mine.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm so happy you're here.
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SPEAKER_00: Welcome.
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SPEAKER_00: Me too.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Me too.
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SPEAKER_01: It's been a long time.
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SPEAKER_00: Long time since the car ride.
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SPEAKER_00: A long time since the car ride.
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SPEAKER_00: We've already been giggling.
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SPEAKER_00: And we have been, so it's going to be good.
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SPEAKER_00: I will say the giggling is a um is good because I was actually crying last night a little bit.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh I found myself.
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SPEAKER_00: What a bang.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, you and I are both um empty nesters, and you uh you've already been in your old hat at this from a year.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm a year ahead of you.
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SPEAKER_00: A year in, but I was somewhere last night and I was talking with a friend.
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SPEAKER_00: And um, I do have another friend.
0:58
SPEAKER_01: How dare you have other friends that you talk about?
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SPEAKER_00: No, no, someone I haven't seen in a while.
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SPEAKER_00: I haven't actually my cousin.
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SPEAKER_00: And she said, How are you doing since the drop-off?
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SPEAKER_00: Because I dropped my younger daughter off about two and a half weeks ago.
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SPEAKER_00: And I found myself literally breaking into tears, like my eyes were welling up, and I could have started to really cry.
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SPEAKER_00: I caught myself.
1:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:21
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I was crying.
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SPEAKER_01: It's it's not an easy transition.
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SPEAKER_01: Your role changes so much.
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SPEAKER_01: It's heartbreaking in its way.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: You are lucky that at least one of your daughters is close enough that you can drive.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, and same for me.
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SPEAKER_01: Like one of my children, I can drive and see her when I feel sad about it, but our other two are, you know, both too far to do that.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:45
SPEAKER_00: What do you think is about it is sad?
1:47
SPEAKER_00: I mean, of course, we miss them, right?
1:48
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's the sad part.
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SPEAKER_00: Is it more about, um, in your opinion, that it's sort of the um about us and our identity and what's changing, or is it about, you know, life's change?
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SPEAKER_00: What we're getting older.
2:02
SPEAKER_00: I don't know what we're doing.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't think it's it's one or the other.
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SPEAKER_01: It's a lot at once.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, I remember when my son went to camp for the first time, um, he left.
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SPEAKER_01: And, you know, he's he's like Mr.
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SPEAKER_01: Talkative.
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SPEAKER_01: And I was like, it's gonna be really quiet around here without him.
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SPEAKER_01: But then it turns out my daughter grew to fill that space and we developed a new dynamic.
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SPEAKER_01: And now with both kids out, developing that dynamic when there's just two of us, we have to get back to, you know, the comfort in just that.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: Like we have to figure out do we like our husband first?
2:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right.
2:37
SPEAKER_01: And maybe that changes day by day.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
2:39
SPEAKER_00: Oh are you kidding?
2:40
SPEAKER_00: Minute by minute, I think.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, I mean, there's sometimes when he's talking and I'm like, I'm so into you right now.
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SPEAKER_00: And then it's uh it it it's it's bleeding, yeah.
2:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know.
2:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I understand.
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SPEAKER_00: But so, so for sure, I think reconnecting, but I mean, yeah, what do you how have you gotten through this this time?
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SPEAKER_00: And what, you know, what do you has it been harder than you thought or easier than you thought?
3:04
SPEAKER_01: I would say that it's easier, uh, mainly because my youngest leaving hung over me um so much.
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SPEAKER_01: Like it felt like it was weighing me down my my sadness that like my role as a mother was somehow ending.
3:21
SPEAKER_01: And what I quickly discovered is it doesn't end.
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SPEAKER_01: I still hear from both kids multiple times a day.
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SPEAKER_01: It's still active.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, and what I will tell you, what I don't miss is being asked every day what's for dinner.
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SPEAKER_01: Because I don't I'm good with cereal for dinner.
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SPEAKER_01: Like I don't need to make like an actual meal.
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SPEAKER_01: And so um, you know, I'm grateful for that.
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SPEAKER_01: But I think because I was dreading it so much when it finally happened, it was almost like, huh.
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SPEAKER_00: Totally.
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SPEAKER_00: It's funny, I had cereal last night.
3:51
SPEAKER_00: I had many bunches of oats as my dinner at almost nine o'clock.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
3:56
SPEAKER_00: And um, yeah, I could eat cereal probably every night.
4:00
SPEAKER_00: I would love it.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, I was I was not a big cook.
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SPEAKER_00: My girls will tell you, well, you know that's they're like, where are we ordering from?
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SPEAKER_01: I know.
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SPEAKER_00: So I I don't know that that's a big change.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, the figuring out where we're ordering from, yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, because everybody has an opinion.
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SPEAKER_00: Totally.
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SPEAKER_00: So, and to have to um come up with that every night.
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SPEAKER_00: So I agree.
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SPEAKER_01: That's been sort of, I guess, a good, a good part.
4:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: But what about the quiet, like in your house?
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SPEAKER_00: I haven't been into either of their bedrooms since you haven't.
4:25
SPEAKER_00: Since, yeah.
4:26
SPEAKER_00: Oh no, I you can't handle it.
4:28
SPEAKER_00: It's well, actually, I did go into si I did go into Sydney's uh the other day because I I actually went into her bathroom.
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SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I I really tried to st I try to stay away.
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SPEAKER_00: It does make me sad to look into their rooms.
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SPEAKER_00: Their rooms are like little shrines, which they are.
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SPEAKER_00: Which they should be because they're still in, you know, they're still around.
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SPEAKER_01: They're coming back and forth, all their stuff is there.
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SPEAKER_00: But it's I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: It that makes sense.
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SPEAKER_01: I wonder if like does even passing by those rooms, because you can't get to your room without passing at least one of them.
4:56
SPEAKER_00: No, I can.
4:56
SPEAKER_00: You can I just go right.
4:58
SPEAKER_00: I thought you thought I can't get to the office, my office upstairs, but I don't really go in there a lot.
5:04
SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: But we've we've shorn off parts of your house.
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SPEAKER_01: You can't go in there.
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SPEAKER_00: I've heard um, I talked to someone who told me that they close the bedroom doors.
5:13
SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
5:14
SPEAKER_00: I think Angie told me that.
5:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that they she closes the doors.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
5:19
SPEAKER_00: I think so.
5:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I think so.
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SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I mean, uh, for me, I think again, it's only been two and a half weeks.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'm not by any old hat at this.
5:27
SPEAKER_00: I and I will tell you about that.
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SPEAKER_00: I said to Steve, I don't know, we were talking and I was like, sh how he said, How long has she been gone?
5:34
SPEAKER_00: I said, I think three weeks, three and a half weeks.
5:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: He's like, she's been gone two weeks.
5:38
SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
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SPEAKER_01: It does feel longer.
5:40
SPEAKER_01: It does feel longer, especially at the beginning.
5:42
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
5:43
SPEAKER_01: But then the good news is that like Parents' Weekend happens pretty early.
5:48
SPEAKER_01: And then there's, you know, maybe you go for a game.
5:50
SPEAKER_01: I'm sure you will go for a game because Steve's such a friend, too.
5:54
SPEAKER_01: And then it's Thanksgiving, and then it's the holidays.
5:56
SPEAKER_01: So at least this first bit, yes, you will have like a lot of space time.
6:01
SPEAKER_01: But it's dragging at first.
6:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it's just uh it's there's a lot of excitement that's sort of coming around with it.
6:07
SPEAKER_00: So I agree with you.
6:09
SPEAKER_00: But I think it's the night and being there and and um being in my bed and knowing that she's not in her room.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think that's been hard.
6:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
6:16
SPEAKER_00: Um, and I think uh certain things will set me off, just a show that I might want to watch and that I know that she's not there.
6:23
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, but knowing uh that this is supposed to happen, I think makes it better.
6:29
SPEAKER_00: Having friends is very big, right?
6:32
SPEAKER_00: That's good.
6:32
SPEAKER_00: It's good to have friends, and I know you and I have talked about some of the things that we want to do, like the mahjong we've both started playing, and other activities that I think will help us to through it.
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SPEAKER_01: I hope so.
6:46
SPEAKER_01: I think sitting around a table full of women once a week, just like you know, you're playing a game, that's what brought you there, but then you're opening up about all the things in your life.
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SPEAKER_01: I think that would be really helpful.
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SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
6:59
SPEAKER_00: But um, but you are like me, were still in their lives so much managing things and talking with them that it's I'm actually find myself over these couple weeks a bit more frustrated.
7:12
SPEAKER_00: That that's the emotion that I would say is probably at the front is frustrated.
7:16
SPEAKER_00: Like frustrated, like every time the phone rings and you're like frustrated that I get a text that says, you know, I'm my prescription uh, you know, for this is not filled, and I've got to have this, or you know, this is where is this?
7:28
SPEAKER_00: And we should have prescriptions.
7:30
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
7:30
SPEAKER_00: Like oh wow, you know, they do have Walgreens in other cities.
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SPEAKER_01: I know, but for some reason our insurance only covers it in the state.
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SPEAKER_01: So that's we get our son's prescriptions and ship them to him.
7:41
SPEAKER_01: Right.
7:41
SPEAKER_01: Okay so that's good times, right?
7:43
SPEAKER_00: And then um, I think you know, we're planning a lot of weekend getaways.
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SPEAKER_00: So I did my.
7:48
SPEAKER_00: So you just had the first one.
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SPEAKER_00: I we went to let me just say that Steve and I both have sort of travel bucket lists, and this is on his.
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SPEAKER_00: This was not on mine.
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SPEAKER_01: I just did my husband's this summer to Alaska.
8:03
SPEAKER_01: Oh, right.
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SPEAKER_01: It was not really on my list, but it was on his.
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SPEAKER_00: Alaska's a big one, though.
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SPEAKER_00: It is a big one, but still.
8:08
SPEAKER_00: Okay, and I don't want to take away from your okay, my big reveal, which was South Dakota, um, Mount Rushmore.
8:15
SPEAKER_00: I know.
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SPEAKER_00: Very romantic and very you can't help but fall back on.
8:21
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I mean everything.
8:22
SPEAKER_00: Actually, you know what's funny?
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SPEAKER_00: I think I was telling you a little bit about this.
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SPEAKER_00: It was actually more majestic and more um visually exciting uh than I thought it was going to be.
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SPEAKER_00: The actual of Mount Rush.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, not the whole thing.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think that look, this South Dakota is a great place.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think a lot of people love it and we had a lot there.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, I don't think I we did everything so that we will never go back.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't believe I'm gonna go back.
8:48
SPEAKER_00: It's nothing against people from South Dakota.
8:50
SPEAKER_01: No, yeah, no, some places you only need to visit.
8:53
SPEAKER_00: Yes, I think that's what I sort of saw.
8:54
SPEAKER_00: So we did Deadwood and we did uh the Badlands, and we um we went to, I forget, I'm already forgetting where we also went.
9:05
SPEAKER_01: Is the Badlands just desert?
9:07
SPEAKER_00: Like I don't actually So the Badlands is called was called the Badlands because it literally are bad lands for buffalo.
9:16
SPEAKER_00: That's sort of where the name came about.
9:18
SPEAKER_01: I know I think buffalo don't like to be there.
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SPEAKER_01: They're bad for buffalo, or there's too many buffalo.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, the buffalo can't walk in the bad lands, I guess.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like literally bad lands to walk and to maybe eat, I don't know, or to hang out, maybe see movies.
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SPEAKER_01: They can't see movies, the buffalo, they can't those poor buffalo, they really get a raw deal.
9:40
SPEAKER_00: They they find it hard to to date out there.
9:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
9:45
SPEAKER_00: There's not very many single.
9:46
SPEAKER_00: It's very interesting.
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SPEAKER_00: Steve likened it to Mars, although he's never been on Mars.
9:50
SPEAKER_00: But we've seen pictures in general where you're sort of driving around for maybe an hour or two, um, and it's just these giant craters.
10:00
SPEAKER_00: I guess this is another another little known fact that I learned from um our tour guide is that uh this happens to be one of the top places that they find dinosaur fossils because of the the terrain and the you know what whatever's there.
10:21
SPEAKER_00: I don't I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like what would you call those?
10:23
SPEAKER_00: I've learned so much.
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SPEAKER_00: They're not glaciers.
10:25
SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't know what they're called.
10:27
SPEAKER_00: Aren't you learning a lot?
10:28
SPEAKER_00: I know I'm learning so much.
10:29
SPEAKER_00: I don't retain a lot of information in here.
10:32
SPEAKER_01: I did learn from you on the drive.
10:34
SPEAKER_01: You said you went to Deadwood, and I thought that that meant the um set of the show.
10:40
SPEAKER_01: I know that was Deadwood.
10:42
SPEAKER_01: I didn't really, I didn't really understand.
10:44
SPEAKER_00: Right.
10:44
SPEAKER_00: Deadwood, and I I learned you on this and schooled you is that um Deadwood was is a a place that became this popular town from the gold rush time.
10:55
SPEAKER_00: There had been gold that was found there, and uh people, you know, came in the droves, and but it also was the setting for an HBO show in 2004 or five that I absolutely was obsessed with.
11:07
SPEAKER_01: Did they call Deadwood?
11:09
SPEAKER_00: I don't believe they did.
11:10
SPEAKER_00: I looked it up when I would did a deep dive on my um on my phone late at night in South Dakota on everything, and I don't believe they ever did.
11:18
SPEAKER_01: That always kind of disappoints me.
11:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, what like that Seinfeld was such a New York show, but it wasn't filmed in New York, like so true.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but this they did take actual people that live there, and a lot of the characters were based on those people.
11:35
SPEAKER_01: Got it.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know if they were, you know, 100% sort of accurate to their whole life, but they were they were based on those people.
11:42
SPEAKER_00: So um this guy, Seth Bullock, who happened to be, I think, like maybe the mayor, I don't, I don't know, of Deadwood.
11:49
SPEAKER_00: I can't really remember.
11:51
SPEAKER_00: He he in the show he owned a hardware store and he was playing with the elephant.
11:57
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I like it.
11:57
SPEAKER_00: But in real life, I I don't know.
11:59
SPEAKER_00: And then uh while Bill Hitcock was um killed there famously, he was shot playing playing um poker, and so he's buried there.
12:08
SPEAKER_00: We went to the cemetery and Calamity Jane, like all these characters.
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SPEAKER_01: Calamity Jane was there to everybody, yeah, everything.
12:16
SPEAKER_00: Everybody, Calamity Jane, yeah, and some other uh some other folk.
12:20
SPEAKER_00: So it was uh, but we had a nice time.
12:22
SPEAKER_00: My my weekend that I get is gonna be a little bit um different, but I haven't decided, you know, we're gonna sort of pick and choose.
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SPEAKER_00: I like that off our own.
12:31
SPEAKER_01: But how did it feel?
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SPEAKER_01: So it was your first empty nest trip.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not the first time the two of you have traveled by yourselves, but did it feel especially significant because you were traveling and there was no one at home?
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SPEAKER_00: No.
12:45
SPEAKER_00: No, I don't think so.
12:47
SPEAKER_00: No.
12:47
SPEAKER_00: Um, it's a good question, but I don't think it was the case.
12:50
SPEAKER_00: I think it felt like it felt good.
12:52
SPEAKER_00: We still talked to them a ton of time um over it and over the the weekend.
12:56
SPEAKER_00: Uh no, I just think that it was the idea of not, honestly, it was the idea of not being at home over uh that weekend.
13:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
13:04
SPEAKER_00: It was you know, one of the early weekends, and just being away.
13:07
SPEAKER_00: Right.
13:08
SPEAKER_00: So I think we are gonna, I don't want to be away every single weekend, but I think that it will help to have some of those weekends.
13:15
SPEAKER_00: And I agree.
13:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
13:16
SPEAKER_01: And I think also like when we talk about empty nets, like I don't know about you, but I have grieved in increments.
13:23
SPEAKER_01: Like when Fourth of July stopped being the family holiday where we go and watch the parade together, and it started being, you know, our our kids going to another town to hang out with their friends, and you know, it those little rites of passage.
13:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I feel like I've mourned a lot of those.
13:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
13:44
SPEAKER_00: And so what do you do about it?
13:45
SPEAKER_01: You just it just happens and you just I will tell you, I never went to another Glencoe Fourth of July parade because my heart couldn't take it.
13:53
SPEAKER_01: It's your version of uh not going into your kids' rooms.
13:56
SPEAKER_00: Yes, I don't have the.
13:58
SPEAKER_00: I we did have a family dinner the other night, and I was the only one without my kids, and I thought that was odd.
14:04
SPEAKER_00: I'm not used to that.
14:04
SPEAKER_00: That's hard.
14:05
SPEAKER_00: So there'll be more of that.
14:07
SPEAKER_00: But um, but I think that again, uh, we've done the right thing if they're out in the world doing that's what we do train them for.
14:16
SPEAKER_00: Do you like that?
14:16
SPEAKER_00: That's from a couple books I've read that said we're doing the right thing.
14:20
SPEAKER_00: But I do like feel better.
14:21
SPEAKER_01: There's some quote about it that's like, you know, you you train your kids their whole lives to leave you.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
14:29
SPEAKER_01: And then when it actually happens, it's you know, yeah, it's heartening and disheartening at the same time.
14:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
14:36
SPEAKER_00: And I I agree.
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SPEAKER_00: I I can't help but um feel, you know, you just start to go through all of these feelings of did I was I there enough and all of that.
14:47
SPEAKER_00: I've second guessed everything.
14:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, but I know I was there for a lot of it, and I know you were a great mom, and you are, so I can tell you that.
14:54
SPEAKER_00: And I thank you.
14:56
SPEAKER_00: I'll I'll I'll take it.
14:58
SPEAKER_00: But I think maybe it's just part of it.
15:00
SPEAKER_00: My um Steve, I say to him, How are you feeling?
15:02
SPEAKER_00: He's fine.
15:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
15:04
SPEAKER_01: I don't think my husband, Austin, mourned at all.
15:09
SPEAKER_01: Right.
15:09
SPEAKER_01: In fact, he might have shut our kids' doors for because they were so messy in the room.
15:14
SPEAKER_01: He didn't want to have to look at it.
15:15
SPEAKER_01: Not because of uh, you know, any kind of big feelings around it.
15:20
SPEAKER_01: I think it's kind of he's very excited to be able to just go out on a random Tuesday night and not have to accommodate everyone.
15:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well we're gonna we're gonna see.
15:31
SPEAKER_00: We'll we'll keep checking in.
15:32
SPEAKER_00: We're gonna see how our how we continue on.
15:35
SPEAKER_00: I hopefully will um you know be crying less, and uh I'm sure I will be.
15:41
SPEAKER_01: I I mean if you're not then we we don't have an intervention in six months.
15:45
SPEAKER_00: Right, like get a life kind of get a life, get a life.
15:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
15:48
SPEAKER_00: I mean, so speaking of get a life, we were out to um we were out to dinner, we were actually celebrating your birthday, we were with um some of our friends, and the main topic, uh other than of course you, because it was celebrating you, yes, was the Lindsay Clancy case.
16:05
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
16:05
SPEAKER_01: And which has I I don't know about everybody else, but I have been uh my days have kind of been dominated, like every podcast on it, you know, every little clips from the courtroom, all of the conspiracy theories.
16:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I have been down the rabbit hole on each of them.
16:25
SPEAKER_00: I and and so, and and we talked about some of those, and um, I don't know that I I it's in my feed.
16:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I try not to go too deep.
16:34
SPEAKER_00: Like I just I know that recently it's like been so there's the mistrial and 11 to 1.
16:40
SPEAKER_00: And then I guess now there's one of the jurors has said that he had reasonable doubt, so there might be some groundwork for a potential dismissal, it's happening.
16:49
SPEAKER_00: But why do you think, without getting into all that, but why do you think it's so divided?
16:54
SPEAKER_00: At this table of six women we were at, most of us felt compassion, but why do you feel there's just such uh divided, um the the the country seems so divided on it?
17:03
SPEAKER_01: I I yeah, I think it's not just our table.
17:06
SPEAKER_01: I think it's the country.
17:07
SPEAKER_01: And I think that um many women are happy that it shines light on this very real postpartum depression.
17:16
SPEAKER_01: I feel lucky that I did not experience that, but I've had many friends who did, and it's a real thing.
17:23
SPEAKER_01: And the fact that it's not in the DSM three or four, I don't know what number they're on now, but like of diagnoses, it's not even a diagnosis, um, I think is crazy.
17:35
SPEAKER_01: And so I think that got a lot of women um excited to kind of jump on that bandwagon.
17:41
SPEAKER_01: People are telling their stories and all that.
17:44
SPEAKER_01: But then on the other side, we have three, you know, young, beautiful children whose lives have ended.
17:53
SPEAKER_01: But this case, um, I read recently, and when I say read, I mean I watched it on Instagram.
17:58
SPEAKER_01: Oh, or TikTok.
17:59
SPEAKER_01: Or I'm not even a I'm not a TikTok girl.
18:01
SPEAKER_01: It's an Insta, it's an Insta for me.
18:03
SPEAKER_01: Um, but I saw posted that uh there have been five to seven, it's hard to track, but five to seven um family mass killings just since the Clancy trial started.
18:18
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
18:18
SPEAKER_01: And you know, why is this one so big?
18:22
SPEAKER_01: You know, usually it's men.
18:25
SPEAKER_01: So I think that the fact that it's a woman is of note and already makes it stand out.
18:31
SPEAKER_01: They are such a small percentage of family annihilators, which is what they call them.
18:37
SPEAKER_01: Like she's she's such or women in general are such a small one.
18:40
SPEAKER_01: And so, like when something like this comes up, it's very easy to bring up the other ones because there's so few, but they're so well known.
18:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that is interesting.
18:49
SPEAKER_00: I mean, they say that about so many of these cases.
18:51
SPEAKER_00: It's sort of what what is it about this that's captured the nation's attention, right?
18:56
SPEAKER_00: Versus like things that happen all the time.
18:58
SPEAKER_00: I don't, I don't know.
18:59
SPEAKER_00: I I mean I I think she's, you know, maybe she's, you know, uh an attractive woman.
19:06
SPEAKER_00: Uh the fact that she is paralyzed, the fact that like this there's so right, there's so many sort of pieces to it.
19:12
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, my take is that um is that it's so um is that well so many women that we know have gone through some sort of depression and on a spectrum uh of postpartum depression.
19:30
SPEAKER_00: And and so many of us know that um, you know, people don't, I don't know if they don't take it seriously, but there's just it's real in a sense.
19:39
SPEAKER_00: The psychosis aspect I don't know enough about.
19:43
SPEAKER_00: And and so I think there's this feeling of wow, like that, you know, that's real and and we don't know enough about it.
19:49
SPEAKER_00: Right.
19:50
SPEAKER_00: But then um then the fact that um someone would kill their three children, it's really it is it's a horrible story.
20:00
SPEAKER_01: It's a horrible, a horrible story.
20:01
SPEAKER_01: Horrible.
20:02
SPEAKER_01: And I think um there's so many questions.
20:05
SPEAKER_01: Like I I was on a walk last night with my husband, and he was like, So what's this whole trial thing?
20:10
SPEAKER_01: Like he knew nothing.
20:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
20:12
SPEAKER_01: And I went through it and he goes, Okay, so there's two uh groups.
20:16
SPEAKER_01: There's the group that's like, she, it was premeditated, she planned it, she's a criminal, she should be in jail for the rest of her life.
20:24
SPEAKER_01: And then there's the group that's like she wasn't herself, she wasn't cared for by the system, she was turned away by a suicide hotline, she was on six different medications and it drove her to it.
20:37
SPEAKER_01: So she is not guilty by reason of insanity.
20:39
SPEAKER_01: Um, and so you know, you mentioned that there was one juror that was a holdout.
20:43
SPEAKER_01: He was a holdout with not being able to like sign his name to the idea that she is not guilty.
20:50
SPEAKER_01: And I I understand that that language is really hard to get your head around because she's admitted to doing it.
20:57
SPEAKER_01: We know that she did it.
20:59
SPEAKER_01: Um so it almost feels to me like it should be guilty by reason of insanity, and and then it's a different.
21:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't again, I don't know the legal aspect beyond the fact that I believe that there are grounds if this juror really did have reasonable doubt and and still didn't vote that way.
21:18
SPEAKER_00: So he had reasonable voted the other way, meaning that she was that she is not he voted that she was guilty.
21:27
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
21:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um and criminally liable.
21:30
SPEAKER_00: Right, but he had reasonable doubt, and so I think based on that, he should have maybe they're saying voted that way.
21:35
SPEAKER_00: So I don't know.
21:35
SPEAKER_00: I just think that um uh the people that are there's no doubt in my mind that maybe he was a neglectful husband.
21:43
SPEAKER_01: Well, that's what I was gonna say is that you know, when my husband said, like, okay, so there's two camps.
21:48
SPEAKER_01: There's the the guilty, not guilty, um, and that's and I'm like, no, no, no, there's three camps because then there's the Patrick Clancy had some role in it, and there's all of these like
22:00
SPEAKER_00: But he did not have a role in it.
22:02
SPEAKER_00: Other than oh, you're saying that some people think so some people think that he actually did it.
22:10
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
22:10
SPEAKER_01: Or that he crushed up pills because there were crushed up pills on the counter.
22:14
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
22:14
SPEAKER_01: And that's a horrible way to take pills.
22:16
SPEAKER_01: I did it one time and it was I do not recommend.
22:19
SPEAKER_01: So there were crushed up pills.
22:21
SPEAKER_01: So did she knowingly take the pills and she heard a man's voice?
22:24
SPEAKER_01: Was it his voice?
22:26
SPEAKER_01: Like there's all sorts of questions about the timeline, about how he looks on camera in the CVS versus the restaurant.
22:33
SPEAKER_01: But it's hard to get around the fact that she Googled the amount of time that it would take him to run those two errands.
22:41
SPEAKER_01: Right.
22:41
SPEAKER_01: So she knew she knew her window.
22:45
SPEAKER_01: And so for psychosis to set in in a very specific window like that feels and and to have never had it before and never had it since is what gives me pause about it.
22:58
SPEAKER_01: And I will tell you, I've been on every bandwagon.
23:01
SPEAKER_01: I was even on the Patrick one for a while.
23:03
SPEAKER_01: I think maybe even last week when we had dinner, I was like, well, that Patrick is pretty suspicious.
23:08
SPEAKER_01: But I think you can be a bad husband and not you know.
23:12
SPEAKER_01: I mean, when would he how would he ever think that that would happen?
23:15
SPEAKER_01: No.
23:15
SPEAKER_01: You know?
23:16
SPEAKER_01: Even her own attorney never even dangled that as an option.
23:20
SPEAKER_01: And if there were any way out of this, he would have brought that up.
23:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
23:25
SPEAKER_00: No, it uh there's so so it's not black and white as you know, as Austin wanted it to be.
23:30
SPEAKER_00: I think it is very much complicated.
23:33
SPEAKER_00: And I think the aspect, I think, too, that complicates it is that this insanity piece is to many people, means if she is found not guilty by reason of insanity, that she could be out very soon.
23:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because you would then be able to have a place and then uh and then the the timing is very short.
23:54
SPEAKER_00: Right.
23:54
SPEAKER_00: And they, I guess what they do is they decide is this person have this issue anymore.
23:59
SPEAKER_00: Right.
24:00
SPEAKER_00: And are they okay?
24:01
SPEAKER_00: And they could decide that she is okay.
24:04
SPEAKER_01: Okay, or she has to keep staying.
24:05
SPEAKER_00: Andrea Yates, I don't know if you remember her, but she's another um woman who murdered her children.
24:11
SPEAKER_01: Yes, exactly.
24:12
SPEAKER_01: So she was not guilty by reason of insanity, and she went into a facility and she reached the point where she was allowed to leave and she elected to stay because she didn't want to be out in the world that created the circumstances that led her down that path.
24:28
SPEAKER_01: So I mean, I guess it could go a lot of a lot of ways.
24:31
SPEAKER_01: I know.
24:32
SPEAKER_01: Um I did I did hear a podcaster say something interesting, and he said, if you are very quick to say that Lindsay Clancy is not guilty by reason of insanity um because she went into a psychosis, then you also have to apply that same logic to Nick Reiner, who murdered his parents.
24:53
SPEAKER_01: Right.
24:53
SPEAKER_01: And so if you are not willing to do that, then you are telling me that this is all gender.
24:59
SPEAKER_00: So funny that you brought that up.
25:00
SPEAKER_00: I'm not funny, but it's so interesting that you brought that up because I was just talking with my family about it and brought up Nick Reiner and said that while I think maybe I could uh potentially see it as not guilty by an reason of insanity for Lindsay Clancy, that I couldn't see that at all for Nick Reiner.
25:21
SPEAKER_00: And what you're saying is that, you know, they're s they're they're too similar.
25:25
SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's what this podcaster, Zach Peters, said.
25:28
SPEAKER_01: Okay, but I and it it was enough to give me pause.
25:30
SPEAKER_01: I don't know that I fully buy into it because he was an addict and he made choices.
25:35
SPEAKER_01: Right, you know, she made choices, meaning he was put in places and he would get out, but he was put on the wrong medications and the wrong doses there at the end when he fell off.
25:46
SPEAKER_01: So they're similar to it.
25:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:50
SPEAKER_00: And he was an addict and but that he had had either violent tendencies or he had done other things that were pretty violent.
25:57
SPEAKER_00: I could be wrong.
25:58
SPEAKER_00: I mean, so don't take anything that we are saying on this podcast as true.
26:03
SPEAKER_01: We need to discuss our opinions.
26:05
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna run a disclaimer because also I don't want anyone coming for us on these things, but because they're really just our opinions and and our opinions are based on TikTok.
26:12
SPEAKER_00: So Instagram.
26:14
SPEAKER_00: Okay, okay, and Instagram.
26:15
SPEAKER_00: Let me just tell you Instagram and TikTok are have very similar content.
26:19
SPEAKER_01: So Yes, I think they cross points.
26:21
SPEAKER_00: When people tell me that they only do reels and they don't do TikTok, I just want to say to them that your reels are just um not as recent as TikTok.
26:31
SPEAKER_00: Right.
26:32
SPEAKER_01: Right.
26:32
SPEAKER_00: So you think that it's like the same, it's not all the same content.
26:35
SPEAKER_00: Right.
26:36
SPEAKER_00: And I'm sure the algorithm is slightly different.
26:38
SPEAKER_00: I would imagine it's pretty different.
26:39
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna ask chat to look into it for.
26:41
SPEAKER_01: Yes, please do that.
26:42
SPEAKER_01: Ask your assistant.
26:43
SPEAKER_01: Yes, my assistant or chat or whatever.
26:45
SPEAKER_00: Um I think that, yeah.
26:48
SPEAKER_00: So you're seeing you're getting a lot of the same information.
26:50
SPEAKER_01: I do.
26:51
SPEAKER_01: I get a lot, I think I think the same people, if they are savvy, will post their inflammatory opinions on both.
26:58
SPEAKER_00: I think what troubles me is that in today's times that there is such, and maybe could I mean certainly conspiracies have been around for so long that I just feel like they there's so many of them on TikTok.
27:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
27:12
SPEAKER_01: And there's so many.
27:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
27:14
SPEAKER_01: I saw on Instagram recently.
27:17
SPEAKER_01: So American.
27:19
SPEAKER_01: I do actually read.
27:20
SPEAKER_01: I just got the Atlantic Monthly, which I hope that redeems me a little bit.
27:23
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
27:23
SPEAKER_01: But I did, I did see that um when our kids look for news, that their biggest news sources are TikTok, YouTube, Reddit.
27:34
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
27:35
SPEAKER_01: It is, it is not, you know, ye old NBC CNN.
27:40
SPEAKER_01: I know.
27:41
SPEAKER_01: You know, they they're not, that's not where they look right for their.
27:44
SPEAKER_00: Although I do get TikTok videos of CVS and uh the New York Times, like the real news, I don't even know if we call it real.
27:55
SPEAKER_00: What's yeah, but the or I should call it more can traditional, traditional media, traditional media um are on TikTok and Instagram as well.
28:03
SPEAKER_00: They all have accounts and they're all on there.
28:06
SPEAKER_00: But I think that there's just so much more commentary and opinion now.
28:10
SPEAKER_00: And some of these um these sources that, you know, uh who knows where they're getting their information.
28:16
SPEAKER_00: But um so I I like that we have a lot of like a deep well of content and entertainment and news.
28:24
SPEAKER_00: I know and misinformation.
28:26
SPEAKER_00: You really never know.
28:27
SPEAKER_00: That you never know, right?
28:28
SPEAKER_00: Right.
28:28
SPEAKER_01: But it does make you think about a lot of things that maybe you wouldn't have thought of because they're being given to you in these tiny little bites all day.
28:37
SPEAKER_00: What else is in your algorithm, like when you go through that's a good question.
28:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
28:42
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
28:43
SPEAKER_01: So um on Instagram, obviously all my friends and all my friends.
28:48
SPEAKER_01: Obviously, like I mean, okay.
28:50
SPEAKER_01: I follow and support all my friends, but um, I would say I have a lot of like um fashion, even though I don't consider myself someone who's that fashionable or interested in fashion, I like to see like all the things that I come, yeah, coming out and what goes with what.
29:06
SPEAKER_01: So that's like the the um more shallow side, I guess.
29:11
SPEAKER_01: And then it's not shallow.
29:13
SPEAKER_01: I mean, okay, that's not my deepest side.
29:16
SPEAKER_01: I'm just gonna say um I am very fearful of um getting dementia.
29:21
SPEAKER_01: And so I follow every podcast that relates to brain health.
29:27
SPEAKER_01: And then I also follow um stuff about physical health.
29:31
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
29:31
SPEAKER_01: And I don't know if you're like me.
29:33
SPEAKER_01: I you know, in Instagram I have all the folders like recipes, exercise.
29:39
SPEAKER_01: I never looked at my Instagram exercise reels that are showing me how to do things, and I'm like, that's important enough to save, but it's never important enough to make it.
29:49
SPEAKER_00: Do you know how many recipes that I have saved or forwarded to sit into my daughter?
29:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:54
SPEAKER_00: And she's like, This looks great, but I would never make any of these things.
29:57
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I make cottage cheese pancakes, protein pancakes.
30:00
SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's I just made cottage cheese mashed potatoes last night.
30:04
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
30:04
SPEAKER_01: They were really good.
30:05
SPEAKER_01: I'm obsessed with cottage cheese.
30:06
SPEAKER_01: Me too.
30:07
SPEAKER_01: I love it.
30:07
SPEAKER_01: So I have a lot of that.
30:08
SPEAKER_01: It's the new, like, remember, cauliflower was having a moment, and then uh before that it was kale.
30:14
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
30:14
SPEAKER_01: So I think we're cottage cheese is like the star right now.
30:17
SPEAKER_00: All right.
30:17
SPEAKER_00: Well, I love cottage cheese.
30:19
SPEAKER_00: I eat it every single day.
30:20
SPEAKER_00: So you're getting, you have your lot of recipes, you have your workout stuff, and you have um things.
30:26
SPEAKER_00: Okay, and your brain health, right?
30:27
SPEAKER_00: What about you?
30:28
SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, I I guess um this tells a lot about what's going on.
30:33
SPEAKER_00: It does.
30:34
SPEAKER_00: It's a little vulnerable in my kitchen.
30:36
SPEAKER_00: I don't I don't know what I'm gonna share.
30:38
SPEAKER_00: No, I'm just gonna you have to share all of it.
30:39
SPEAKER_00: I just shared mine.
30:40
SPEAKER_00: I think it depends because also it serves up new stuff to you that you then, if you start liking it, sort of switches.
30:46
SPEAKER_00: So, of course, fashion.
30:48
SPEAKER_00: I follow a lot of fashion influencers.
30:50
SPEAKER_00: I love all of that.
30:51
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
30:52
SPEAKER_00: And I am getting a lot of lioness content right now.
30:56
SPEAKER_00: That's one of my favorite new shows.
30:57
SPEAKER_00: Yes, so okay.
30:59
SPEAKER_00: It knows somehow it knows that.
31:00
SPEAKER_00: And so I love like the interviews with the with the um cast, and then they do like these fun things, and then I'll I'll see some of the cast um do their own TikToks and stuff.
31:12
SPEAKER_00: So I have a lot of things.
31:13
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
31:14
SPEAKER_01: I mean you know, I love a procedural, and so I do follow um Nathan Fillon, who's on the rookie, and they're always doing like funny little things.
31:23
SPEAKER_01: Okay, I love that.
31:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
31:24
SPEAKER_00: I have a lot of rush, sorority rush content.
31:28
SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's funny now because my daughter is going through it, and so um it'll be like, here's what I'm wearing for the day one and this is day two, or these dances that each of the sororities do.
31:39
SPEAKER_00: I mean, when we were in school a million and a half years ago, um, we did not have, well, first of all, we didn't have TikTok and Instagram.
31:47
SPEAKER_00: No, that's right.
31:48
SPEAKER_00: But I can't imagine we didn't have these dancers that we would put up front in and then we, you know, stand around.
31:55
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I guess we did like there was a Sigma Kai Derby days I participated in a million years ago.
32:01
SPEAKER_00: And there was a dance that we did.
32:03
SPEAKER_00: Um, I don't know how I was I did that with the SIGEP for a SIGEP one.
32:07
SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay, we had to do, and um it was in a pool.
32:12
SPEAKER_01: I don't know why.
32:12
SPEAKER_01: Oh, wow.
32:13
SPEAKER_01: And so at one point they tossed me up.
32:15
SPEAKER_01: I was the lightest.
32:16
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
32:16
SPEAKER_01: So I always was on top of the mattress for the mattress raising.
32:19
SPEAKER_01: I'd love to see that on video.
32:20
SPEAKER_01: Um, thank God.
32:21
SPEAKER_01: Thank God.
32:22
SPEAKER_01: It's not today because it would be on video, but it it is not right in heavens.
32:27
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
32:27
SPEAKER_00: So I have a lot of that going.
32:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's interesting.
32:30
SPEAKER_01: So will you unfollow all of that once Swary Rush is done for your youngest?
32:34
SPEAKER_00: You know, I think my algorithm will just swish switch, whereas I don't watch those as much.
32:38
SPEAKER_00: It just knows.
32:39
SPEAKER_00: I mean, do you talk and then all of a sudden you'll go and see something.
32:43
SPEAKER_00: All the time.
32:43
SPEAKER_00: An ads will pop up, and I'm like, I feel really invaded.
32:47
SPEAKER_00: I know, I do too.
32:48
SPEAKER_00: It's sort of scary.
32:49
SPEAKER_00: It's scary but then I'm like, oh, I need this.
32:51
SPEAKER_00: So this is good that it came up.
32:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
32:53
SPEAKER_00: Right.
32:53
SPEAKER_00: Um I need this.
32:54
SPEAKER_00: I need this.
32:55
SPEAKER_00: It's really helpful.
32:56
SPEAKER_00: I mean, right now I'm getting a lot of targeted ads coming to me on TikTok around um things to buy on TikTok.
33:04
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
33:04
SPEAKER_01: And I I will say I don't fully trust TikTok.
33:07
SPEAKER_01: I don't either.
33:07
SPEAKER_01: I haven't bought, I haven't bought yet anything.
33:09
SPEAKER_00: Then I will go to Amazon and see if I can find it on Amazon.
33:12
SPEAKER_01: Right, find the same thing.
33:13
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you know if there's a TikTok shop and Timu to me feel like places I'm never gonna visit.
33:19
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
33:20
SPEAKER_00: Timu.
33:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I've heard of that recently.
33:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like I think it's China.
33:24
SPEAKER_01: Okay, yes.
33:26
SPEAKER_01: But it it's they're pretty famous.
33:28
SPEAKER_01: That's okay.
33:28
SPEAKER_01: They're pretty famous for um having something that looks really good.
33:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and then people get it, and it's like completely not what the picture showed.
33:38
SPEAKER_01: One arm's longer than the other, or it's two sizes too small, and like it's just like famous for how bad the quality is, but every once in a while there's a gem, and so people keep ordering it.
33:51
SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah.
33:52
SPEAKER_00: Well, um, you gave them a nice little commercial there, so well, I I'm not supportive.
33:58
SPEAKER_01: I'm saying T M of TikTok.
33:59
SPEAKER_00: We don't know T T Boo.
34:01
SPEAKER_00: We don't know what it is.
34:02
SPEAKER_01: Team T Moo TikTok.
34:03
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so T Boo, right.
34:04
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I don't know.
34:05
SPEAKER_00: So we had talked about this.
34:06
SPEAKER_00: So since I uh just went to Mount Rushmore uh a week ago, uh, we thought it might be fun to um uh find our like talk about our Mount Rushmore of things.
34:18
SPEAKER_00: So uh what are your what would be your Mount Rushmore of of all-time TV shows?
34:25
SPEAKER_01: That's a hard one.
34:26
SPEAKER_00: So not like now.
34:27
SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes, yes.
34:28
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
34:28
SPEAKER_01: Um wow.
34:30
SPEAKER_01: I first of all, I wish that there were more than four presidents right now, because I'm not even sure like what my Lincoln would be or my Washington.
34:37
SPEAKER_01: Like I don't have an order for them, but I can't write these down.
34:41
SPEAKER_01: Don't order them.
34:42
SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna order them.
34:43
SPEAKER_01: And I don't even know if I can.
34:45
SPEAKER_00: It's essentially if anyone hasn't heard of that, like your Mount Rushmore just means there are like four.
34:49
SPEAKER_00: If you had to pick four, they do that in sports a lot.
34:52
SPEAKER_00: Who's your Mount Rushmore of a team or something?
34:54
SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna, I'm gonna um by saying that in I hope we do this again.
35:02
SPEAKER_01: Okay, yes, and we can talk about comfort shows, news shows.
35:05
SPEAKER_01: Because I am just gonna give like my don't worry.
35:07
SPEAKER_00: We we know you have other shows that you want to share.
35:12
SPEAKER_01: So I do have a list here.
35:13
SPEAKER_01: So favorite all times.
35:15
SPEAKER_01: I'm obsessed with succession.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, yes.
35:17
SPEAKER_01: So that definitely makes my list.
35:19
SPEAKER_01: Um for comedy, I I really struggle.
35:23
SPEAKER_01: So I'm just gonna put these in the same bucket.
35:26
SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
35:26
SPEAKER_01: Uh The Office in Shits Creek are right there.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
35:30
SPEAKER_01: Um, I loved the marvelous Mrs.
35:31
SPEAKER_01: Mazel.
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SPEAKER_01: I thought that was a unique concept and it was really well executed in terms of grounding us in a space.
35:39
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
35:39
SPEAKER_01: Um, in a time.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
35:40
SPEAKER_00: And then You're already past four.
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SPEAKER_01: No, I put the two comedies together.
35:45
SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
35:46
SPEAKER_01: Wait, did I what I said succession?
35:49
SPEAKER_01: No, I I don't think you're right.
35:50
SPEAKER_01: Oh succession, Shits Creek, and the Office are oh, I see.
35:54
SPEAKER_01: And then uh Marvelous Mrs.
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SPEAKER_01: Mason.
35:56
SPEAKER_00: Okay, all right.
35:57
SPEAKER_01: And then um, uh, I'm having a hard time choosing.
36:00
SPEAKER_01: I have to say Breaking Bad.
36:02
SPEAKER_01: Like it's such a trite answer because everyone says it, but that's because it's true.
36:06
SPEAKER_00: You're so you're so regular.
36:07
SPEAKER_00: No, I'm just I am, I'm for me.
36:09
SPEAKER_00: Everyone loves that show.
36:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:10
SPEAKER_00: I I I love how seriously you took that.
36:12
SPEAKER_00: I had said to Pamela, like maybe, maybe I'm gonna ask this question of you later.
36:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:17
SPEAKER_00: Um, but uh I those are all good shows, and um, I think you um you hit it on the head.
36:24
SPEAKER_00: My four would be I think um Peaky Blinders.
36:28
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I know you love Sons of Anarchy.
36:31
SPEAKER_00: Um, it would be um I wrote mine down too.
36:35
SPEAKER_00: The Americans and Six Feet Under is my all-time show.
36:39
SPEAKER_01: Okay, I'm so glad you said Six Feet Under because that was on my list also.
36:42
SPEAKER_01: And I just think that's love that show.
36:44
SPEAKER_01: Just a yeah, classically great show.
36:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
36:47
SPEAKER_01: But crazily enough, I haven't seen the other three on your list.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not, that's not that crazy.
36:53
SPEAKER_00: They're very violent.
36:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:55
SPEAKER_00: And um but I like a violent, like I like the beef, yeah, but you know, beef shows like the give me a show that has like hot guys, some violence, and some sex.
37:05
SPEAKER_01: I do remember trying to get you to watch Breaking Bad back when it was still, you know, Aaron.
37:10
SPEAKER_01: You did.
37:10
SPEAKER_01: And you said there's no hot guy on there.
37:12
SPEAKER_01: No, like I'm not interested.
37:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
37:14
SPEAKER_01: I have said that about several shows.
37:16
SPEAKER_01: You have you you reject it.
37:17
SPEAKER_00: I stand by it.
37:18
SPEAKER_00: I need I need a good looking, uh, you know, leading person or some side characters that are really good.
37:25
SPEAKER_00: That's why I love like Lioness and a lot of these.
37:28
SPEAKER_01: Um But isn't Lioness like female focused?
37:31
SPEAKER_01: Like, are there a lot of men?
37:32
SPEAKER_00: They have a lot of men on it.
37:33
SPEAKER_00: They do have a lot of men, yeah.
37:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
37:34
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, they have to have men because this is America.
37:38
SPEAKER_00: We always have to have the men involved.
37:40
SPEAKER_00: Um we circle back.
37:42
SPEAKER_00: Can we circle back?
37:43
SPEAKER_00: Um, this has been super fun.
37:45
SPEAKER_01: Yes, so fun.
37:46
SPEAKER_00: I knew it would be, and uh we will for sure have you back.
37:50
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37:51
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37:58
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