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AMA & Hangout with Contributors (Jan 2026) | Yaron Brook Show · Yaron Brook Show

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  Speaker 1: Oh lad, undamental princes, how national, self interesting and individual
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  Speaker 1: undamental principle.
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  Speaker 2: I echo your rush show, got rid of it all right, everybody,
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  Speaker 2: welcome to you one book show on this Saturday, January
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  Speaker 2: twenty fourth.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody's having a crew week weekends. So far, my panel
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  Speaker 1: has not showed up yet. I shouldn't say that.
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  Speaker 2: Jennifer and Andrew are here, so we have a two
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  Speaker 2: member panel, but many more people said they would come
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  Speaker 2: and haven't showed up, so we will see.
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  Speaker 1: Audio. Okay, yeah, okay, so let's see what I want
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  Speaker 1: to say.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sadly you've probably seen the news, but sadly I'm
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  Speaker 2: right again.
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  Speaker 1: It's horrible to be right.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, another somebody else was killed today in
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  Speaker 2: Minneapolis by ice. Uh you know it's you know, the
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  Speaker 2: the information is I don't want to, I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to yet definitely say what happened, but it doesn't look
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  Speaker 2: good for Ice. But the guy was carrying. The guy
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  Speaker 2: was carrying, so that that's the complication that they have.
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  Speaker 1: But they just attacked him for filming them.
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  Speaker 2: And then it looks like discovered he had a gun
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  Speaker 2: and it took the gun away from him. And then
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  Speaker 2: it looks like again looks like still you know, we'll
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  Speaker 2: have to see what happens, But it looks like they
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  Speaker 2: took a gun away from him and they shot him
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  Speaker 2: four five times and killed him.
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  Speaker 1: So we will see.
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  Speaker 2: It does look like Minnesota police or Minneapolis police.
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  Speaker 1: Are involved this time.
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  Speaker 2: They have secured the area and they're taking witnesses even
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  Speaker 2: though ice tried to shoot them away and try to
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  Speaker 2: get the witnesses out of there. It does look like
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  Speaker 2: Minnesota or Minneapolis police are taking the lead on this.
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  Speaker 2: We will we will see. In in Minneapolis, there is
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  Speaker 2: a legal right to open carry.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, the fact that he was carrying is
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  Speaker 1: not an excuse. The question was did he pose a
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  Speaker 1: legit threat? Did he reach for the gun?
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't look like in the videos suddenly not while
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  Speaker 2: he was on standing up. Maybe you have to be
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  Speaker 2: knocked to the ground by five six agents and beaten
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  Speaker 2: with her. Anyway, we will see how this all develops.
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  Speaker 2: But it's not surprising when you have gangs of thugs
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  Speaker 2: roaming around the streets. You are asking for violence, and
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  Speaker 2: violence will find them one way or the other. And
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  Speaker 2: so we will we will see what what what happens.
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  Speaker 1: With that? All right?
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  Speaker 2: The other thing that I'm on the lookout for just
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  Speaker 2: as we speak is whether an attack on you run
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  Speaker 2: is going to happen. I will say I don't expect
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  Speaker 2: it tonight, but wouldn't be surprised if something happened tomorrow
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  Speaker 2: or Monday nights. So we'll be on the lookout for
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  Speaker 2: for those. All right, people are people are people.
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  Speaker 1: Are showing up?
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's get let's get started with our panel.
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  Speaker 2: Don't forget those of you who are on YouTube live watching.
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  Speaker 2: You can still use the super chat to ask questions
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  Speaker 2: about anything. It's ask me anything sessions, So feel free
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  Speaker 2: to ask.
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  Speaker 1: Me anything about anything you know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure I can answer questions about anything, or
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  Speaker 2: at least not truthfully, but but you can certainly you
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  Speaker 2: can certainly ask me the questions and then we can see.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, here's a challenge.
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  Speaker 2: Find a question I can you know, stump me, not
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  Speaker 2: you in the panel, them on the on the on
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  Speaker 2: the super chat.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Uh, let's tell Jennifer.
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  Speaker 3: I know that the left can have dictators, of course,
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  Speaker 3: but do you think that maybe the right ends up
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  Speaker 3: having is more prone to in the long run because
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  Speaker 3: they're religious, So religion is authoring from on high and
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  Speaker 3: you don't question it. I mean, I know you've said
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  Speaker 3: before the left is maybe more intellectual, so might that
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  Speaker 3: cause them to drift that way more necessarily?
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  Speaker 2: Not necessarily, I mean, uh, I mean the left has
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  Speaker 2: had dictators obviously, Communism and and Paul pot and uh and.
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  Speaker 1: So on, so I don't think so.
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  Speaker 2: I think the issue really is does the left have
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  Speaker 2: a unifying ideology that can they can and and the
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  Speaker 2: whole look, the whole terminology of left and right is
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  Speaker 2: somewhat bogus. What does the left even mean? Who is
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  Speaker 2: the left? But the left doesn't have a unifying ideology.
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  Speaker 2: It's ideology of I think it's ideology of kind of postcolonialism,
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  Speaker 2: and what do you call it? Postmodernism? Everything based on postmodernism.
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  Speaker 2: It's by definition fragmented. It's not an integrating ideology. It
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  Speaker 2: doesn't sum up to anything. It's not come fight for
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  Speaker 2: this cause, what's the cause? The causes elevate these people,
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  Speaker 2: suppress those people, and which people and everybody's it's just fragments.
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  Speaker 1: They used to have an ideology communism. Communism.
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  Speaker 2: Communism is a kind of more of a unifying ideology.
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  Speaker 2: It's a vision, there's a utopia the end. What is
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  Speaker 2: the utopia of the left today?
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  Speaker 1: There is none.
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  Speaker 2: They have nothing other than once in a while that
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  Speaker 2: bobus something from Marx. So there's nothing to rally and
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  Speaker 2: excite people and get people super motivate except nihilism. They
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  Speaker 2: are explicitly nihilistic. Now that that can last for a
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  Speaker 2: little while.
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  Speaker 1: In a place like Cambodia, where you know, you capture,
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  Speaker 1: you give.
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  Speaker 2: A bunch of people guns and they go out and
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  Speaker 2: they've been oppressed for so long they're willing to pretty
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  Speaker 2: much kill anybody and oppress anybody. But I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 2: But in Cambodia didn't last very long. I mean, even
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  Speaker 2: the communist Vietnamese was so horrified by what the Kami
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  Speaker 2: Rouge were doing in Cambodia that they evaded and got
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  Speaker 2: rid of the Cameo Rouge. Right, That's how that regime ended.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't survive for very long, and I don't think
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  Speaker 2: it can survive for very long. On the other hand,
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  Speaker 2: the right has an ideology that can unify, particularly in America,
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  Speaker 2: and that ideology is in nationalism combined with religion, kind
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  Speaker 2: of Christian nationalism. Now, I don't think that ideology yet
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  Speaker 2: has anyway close to the majority of Americans. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that's the good thing is Trump is unpopular. The ideology
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  Speaker 2: behind Vance is even more popular than Trump. People are
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  Speaker 2: not rallying to the cross or to the flag, except
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  Speaker 2: for you know, some young, crazy guys. It seems that
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  Speaker 2: way because Twitter is dominated by them, and maybe other
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  Speaker 2: social media dominated, But in reality, there's just not that
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  Speaker 2: many people who are, as you know, ready yet to
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  Speaker 2: go sacrifice themselves for the nation and for the Cross,
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  Speaker 2: and there's real opposition. In this sense, the left serves
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  Speaker 2: a good purpose, at least in the short run, is
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  Speaker 2: actually opposing what the.
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  Speaker 1: Right is doing.
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  Speaker 2: So I mean, right now in Minneapolis, if you oppose ice,
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  Speaker 2: you rely on the left to go out into the
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  Speaker 2: streets and be the opposition. So I mean, you've got
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  Speaker 2: to rally with the left on the issue of ice,
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  Speaker 2: and I do.
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  Speaker 4: So.
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  Speaker 2: We are still a divided country, and as long as
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  Speaker 2: we're very divided country, and as long as we're that divided,
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  Speaker 2: I don't see anybody unifying under one banner and leading
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  Speaker 2: us towards au thoroitonism. The other way we get to
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  Speaker 2: a thoroitonism is by default. It's like Trump's style, right
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  Speaker 2: not through ideology, but through just a slow erosion in
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  Speaker 2: liberties and just practically making it impossible for us for
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  Speaker 2: people to do anything about it. So slowly, you know,
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  Speaker 2: slowly taking command of all the meaningful parts of life
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  Speaker 2: and allowing for symbolic elections. But the manipulating the numbers
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  Speaker 2: and cleaning you in. I mean, I think that's what
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  Speaker 2: he's going to try to do in the terms. And
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  Speaker 2: who knows what happens twenty twenty eight. You have an election,
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  Speaker 2: you lose it, but then mean you manipulate the numbers,
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  Speaker 2: or you have people on the ground manipulating the numbers,
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  Speaker 2: and you pretend you win and you act. And I
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  Speaker 2: don't think you get away with it in America today,
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  Speaker 2: but we will see. And and the fact that people
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  Speaker 2: are standing up to ICE. I you know, I know
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  Speaker 2: people don't like demonstration and stuff like that, but you
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  Speaker 2: got to say that there's a good chance that ICE
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  Speaker 2: is going to be withdrawn from Minneapolis and Minnesota. And
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  Speaker 2: this is Trump is taking such a beating on this
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  Speaker 2: issue in the polls that he might capitulate. And that's
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  Speaker 2: due to the people taking photographs, taking videos, going out
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  Speaker 2: in the unbelievable cold of I mean it's even colder
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  Speaker 2: than Michigan in Minnesota right now, and filming this and
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  Speaker 2: standing up and yelling at them and making the case
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  Speaker 2: that might have an effect, So good for them. That's
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  Speaker 2: a long answer, Thanks Jennifer Andrew.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, what did rand mean when she said that anarchists
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  Speaker 5: are collectivists?
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  Speaker 1: What she meant?
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  Speaker 2: I think this is me trying to interpret it right.
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  Speaker 2: What she meant was that they reject individual rights. They
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  Speaker 2: reject the idea that individuals have ineliable rights, that the
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  Speaker 2: individual is what matter and must be protected, and what
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  Speaker 2: is the alternative to that?
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  Speaker 1: The alternative is.
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  Speaker 2: Individuals foam gangs, which are these private armies, private governments,
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  Speaker 2: private whatever that then serve as little tribes that they
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  Speaker 2: fight over, you know, the different tribes than negotiate or
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  Speaker 2: fights or you know, sold disputes.
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  Speaker 1: But the unit at the end is not the individual.
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  Speaker 2: You could see that even with my debate with Brian Kaplan,
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  Speaker 2: Danny conceded that there's no guarantees in anarchy that the
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  Speaker 2: individual rights where we protected. It's quite likely that they'll
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  Speaker 2: be negotiated in some circumstances. A way, Well, what does
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  Speaker 2: that mean? That means there's something above the individual.
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  Speaker 1: And that is the right or the.
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  Speaker 2: Might of a particular groups. It becomes a group thing,
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  Speaker 2: a collective thing, rather than an individual individual thing.
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  Speaker 1: They don't you can't be an anarchist.
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  Speaker 2: You can't believe in anarchy and still believe in individualism.
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  Speaker 2: And the only therefore you cluster in collectives. And that
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  Speaker 2: is the essence of collectivism.
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  Speaker 1: Got it?
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  Speaker 2: And you can see that by the way, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know it works of like people like Jope who advocates.
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  Speaker 1: For what's going on here was it for.
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  Speaker 2: Small states with monarchies, and you know that's ideal. The
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  Speaker 2: Enlightenment was a disaster. What we really need is going
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  Speaker 2: back to Europe in the Middle Ages. You can see
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  Speaker 2: that kind of tribalism collectivism in that. All right, thank you, Andrew,
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  Speaker 2: Catherine if I meet yourself, Catherine.
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  Speaker 4: Lego, Oh sorry, okay, I'm going to type my question
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  Speaker 4: in the chat is that Okay, I can also say
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  Speaker 4: it out loud. Okay, this is my question. Okay, given
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  Speaker 4: the Trump administration and the breaking news and just the
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  Speaker 4: state of things, what advice do you have or how
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  Speaker 4: do you personally stay positive and optimistic about life and
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  Speaker 4: not become jaded or cynical or angry or frustrated and
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  Speaker 4: want to just feel I don't know, how do you stay.
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  Speaker 1: Now?
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  Speaker 2: It's a great question and super relevant, And I mean
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  Speaker 2: two things. One, I get to yell at this microphone
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  Speaker 2: every day about Trump and about everything that's going on
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  Speaker 2: in the world.
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  Speaker 1: And I get to express myself.
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  Speaker 2: And I get to in a sense, do something about
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  Speaker 2: it the only thing I know how to do about it,
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  Speaker 2: which I think helps, right, It helps my sanity. I
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  Speaker 2: think it's you know, my wife, who is a listener,
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  Speaker 2: she just absorbs it. If it's more difficult because she's
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  Speaker 2: just hearing me, Whereas I finished the show and I'm
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  Speaker 2: all excited and ready to engage in life.
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  Speaker 1: For her, it's harder. So that's part of it.
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  Speaker 2: The second part is, Look, you've got to focus on
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  Speaker 2: your own values. That is, you've got to constantly rearrange
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  Speaker 2: yourself towards what's important to you in your life at
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  Speaker 2: the moment every day, the things that you love, the
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  Speaker 2: things that you find beauty and the work that you do,
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  Speaker 2: the you know, your passions, the things that you really
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  Speaker 2: really love to do, and and so constantly returning to
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  Speaker 2: those things and making sure that you're surrounded.
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  Speaker 1: By them, and that they are always the.
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  Speaker 2: Most important thing in your life is how you stay positive.
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  Speaker 2: It's you know, you've got to You've got to You've
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  Speaker 2: got to maintain a sense of control over the values
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  Speaker 2: that are closest to you, uh, and the values that
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  Speaker 2: are distant from you, like freedom.
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  Speaker 1: You don't have control over. And while it's upsetting and.
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  Speaker 2: You can do what you can do to fight for
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  Speaker 2: those values, you don't have control over the situation. So
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  Speaker 2: you know, you have to narrow you focus on those
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  Speaker 2: things you do have control over and fight for those.
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  Speaker 2: And those are the people you love and the and
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  Speaker 2: the and the work that you do, and the and
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  Speaker 2: and and.
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  Speaker 1: The life that you live. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you there's nothing to be positive about
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  Speaker 2: in the world out there, accept what I just mentioned,
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  Speaker 2: which is which is that you know, Trump is not popular.
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  Speaker 2: Ice is not popular, Taking Greenland is not popular. All
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  Speaker 2: the really crazy things that Trump is doing are not popular.
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  Speaker 2: And and yes, there is a certain percentage of the
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  Speaker 2: population that loves him and adores him and follows him
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  Speaker 2: and does everything. And sadly that the disease of Trump's
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  Speaker 2: zombism has infected some people within the objective's community, so
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  Speaker 2: they're closer to us. But but yes, those people exist,
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  Speaker 2: but the vast majority of Americans.
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  Speaker 1: Are not buying this. They're not they're not They're not.
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  Speaker 2: Accepting this, and that means it probably is not sustainable.
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  Speaker 2: It'll probably fall apart. What comes next is how to tell.
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  Speaker 2: But there is a chance that what comes next is
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  Speaker 2: at least a pause from the insanity around us. So
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  Speaker 2: I just think, I mean, what's really would be scary
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  Speaker 2: right now is if Ice was doing what was doing
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  Speaker 2: and nobody said anything.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I just have friends who feel like with everything
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  Speaker 4: happening with Trump, it just feels like they want to
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  Speaker 4: give up or it's like why should I work so
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  Speaker 4: hard at my job? It just feels like this crony
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  Speaker 4: who's like a thief and a liar is like getting ahead,
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  Speaker 4: Like it just feels kind of like hard to stay motivated.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's right, But that is too much of
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  Speaker 2: another focus, right, The focus should be on you and
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  Speaker 2: your life. I mean, you go into a card and
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: make more money, not so Trump contacts it more, but
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  Speaker 2: so that you can so that you can enjoy your life,
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  Speaker 2: and and and and maybe maybe this is a town
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  Speaker 2: to think about how how do I enjoy that my life?
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  Speaker 2: What are the things I really enjoy doing and go
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  Speaker 2: and do them, and you know, and focus really spend
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  Speaker 2: time focusing on that. But yes, it's very disheartening that
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  Speaker 2: a buffoon like him as president of the United States.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think about the reverence in which Iinrand
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  Speaker 2: held the office of the presidency, and and how she,
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  Speaker 2: even when she disagreed with the president and so on,
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  Speaker 2: she still held the office and the idea of the
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  Speaker 2: president of the United States with such reverence. I think
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  Speaker 2: of what this man is doing to that office. Uh
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  Speaker 2: and uh and and it really is depressing and horrific.
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  Speaker 2: But your life is there's so many things within your
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  Speaker 2: life are still your control. Focus on those and and
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  Speaker 2: and and uh and do those And I think that
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  Speaker 2: is that that is the way to stay to stay positive. Well, look,
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  Speaker 2: you can't be completely positive. This is an element where yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it really really really really sucks, and it's really really
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  Speaker 2: really depressing, and that that's just part of life in
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  Speaker 2: the world in which we live right now. I think
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  Speaker 2: it will pass. I think batter times I head for us,
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  Speaker 2: but not inevitably, And we're gonna have to fight for
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  Speaker 2: it and yeah, I mean that's the best I can do.
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  Speaker 4: That's good. And I like the advice about how you
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  Speaker 4: speak out, and so I think it can be helpful
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  Speaker 4: for others to continue to speak out and voice there
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  Speaker 4: because it keeps you feeling like hopeful, like you still
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  Speaker 4: have a voice.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, as long as you don't overdo it, so, you know,
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  Speaker 2: as long as you're not I know people who live
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  Speaker 2: on Facebook or live on Twitter. Yeah, you know, speak up,
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  Speaker 2: do say your piece and then walk away, because there
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  Speaker 2: are a lot of people out there who who will
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  Speaker 2: suck a lot of your energy up with very little reward.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, Sure, thanks toth Uh, I'm learning.
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  Speaker 6: Hey you're run.
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  Speaker 1: Hey.
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  Speaker 6: So a couple of weeks ago, I think on the
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  Speaker 6: twelfth of January on your show, somebody asked a question
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  Speaker 6: and they brought up an ran Center UK and they
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  Speaker 6: would have to do around the ice, around the Ice shooting.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think that they didn't ask the question clear enough.
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  Speaker 6: I believe what they were specifically asking was around Valiant,
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  Speaker 6: who was on the show a couple of times, and
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  Speaker 6: he brought up some interesting perspectives on the shooting. Now,
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  Speaker 6: Valiant is by no means that Trump supporter. He's not
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  Speaker 6: bought the kool aid like Bernstein those guys. Now, I
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  Speaker 6: know there's other issues of valiant perhaps, but you know,
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  Speaker 6: setting that aside, I was just wondering, you know, if
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  Speaker 6: it might not be interesting to have kind of a
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  Speaker 6: discussion with him, just because you know, you both brought
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  Speaker 6: up some very good points and I think it would
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  Speaker 6: be interesting just to see, you know, like objectively, objectively
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  Speaker 6: from the perspective of the law and from your perspective,
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: his perspective, you know, how to how to look at
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  Speaker 6: something like that. We may still are different conclusions, but
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  Speaker 6: maybe just how to examine these kind of incidents, because
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  Speaker 6: I'm pretty sure it won't be the last one.
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  Speaker 1: No, we got one.
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  Speaker 6: We got one now and how okay, Yeah, an.
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  Speaker 2: Hour ago they shot dead it protests you know somebody
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  Speaker 2: who's filming them in Minneapolis.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: So really yes, wow, And there's.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Already a dispute about what exactly happened. So and there
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: are lots of videos circulating the web already about that.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: And so it's not, as I said at the time,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: it won't be the last one.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: No, it's going to continue to happen.
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And it's and it's horrific because you know, it's
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: also you know, I mean, one one question I always
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: want to ask people like Bernstein and stuff is like,
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: you know, okay, if if you think this was a
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: legitimate thing, then why why the reluctance to have it investigated. Yeah, like,
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: let somebody who's not part of the same organization investigate,
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: which is the way that these things are normally done.
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: But anyway, setting that aside, going back to I mean.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: I see that I think.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'll watch I'll watch Valiance video and I'll
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: see if I think is some.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Legitimate thing to debate. But you know, the.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Fundamental to me is is I mean, the whole thing
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: is wrong and they shouldn't be there. They shouldn't be
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: doing what they're doing. You know, they are thugs there.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: I think that they're outside, from my perspective, the outside
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: the rule of the law. Everything they do, from the
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: entire approach, their entire approach is anti American and anti
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: again the principle of the rule of law. So you know,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: we might disagree about the technicality. You know, was he
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: was it legit for him to shoot given that I
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: don't know he viewed his life as being threatened or
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: something like that, which I'm very very skeptical about, as
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: you know. But that's not even the main issue. The
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: main issue is I shouldn't be there, they shouldn't be
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: in the streets, they shouldn't be walking on neighborhoods, they
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be driving on mock cause, they shouldn't be masked,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: they shouldn't be.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Dressed the way they're dressed.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Nothing about the functioning is legitimate, and there is there
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: is no, there's no, there's nothing to debate from my perspective,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: at least, there's something debate with regards to that. I mean,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: I agree, I'm not an expert on hoppily should respond
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: to you know, somebody driving towards them, although again I
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: don't think she was driving towards him, but in a
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: threatening way. But but that is that is not the
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: primary issue from my perspective.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: I'll check it out.
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: No, No, and I absolutely, I mean I totally agree
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: with you here, and I think it's more and in
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: fairness to what value brought up, I think there was
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: there were some aspects of the technicality, but there were
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: some aspects of the bigger picture, if you want to
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: call it that. In his points and I think what
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: he was trying to do was to differentiate sort of
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: what we would consider the moral where I don't And
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: again I don't want to try to put words in
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: his mouth, but I don't believe he would disagree with
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: anything you're saying, but from the legal right. And I
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: think that's the part that I just think it would
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: be an interesting discussion to.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Have, you know, I mean, I think.
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: Supporters actually having maybe it's like a different views.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I I don't know if you saw my show yet,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: was it yesterday where the heavy bin swaying a piece
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: which I think is ultimately the issue regarding the issue
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: of the rule of law and and not resisting. But look,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: I you know, I believe in civil disobedience. Maybe Valiant doesn't.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: I believe in civil disobedience. I believe that the civil
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: rights movement was right to engage in civil disobedience because
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: of the unjust laws. And I believe this is this
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: is an example of where civil disobedience is appropriate. And yeah,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: take it to court, but we're talking about court that
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: would take it could take a year, you know, to
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: go through the motions and all of that, which I
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: think is what I'm saying no, don't take it to court.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: I'm saying take it to court through civil disobedience. Take
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: it to court by obstructing. And you know, somebody has
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: to be brave enough to be arrested, and that will happen.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: I don't I think she was trying to drive away.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: If she had driven away, she would have been arrested
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: later because she was asked to get out of the corn.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: She didn't, so I guess they would have arrested it later.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: That is proper police procedure. It's not to shoot the
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: person running away when they haven't committed a crime.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: But that's what civil disobedience is about.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: It's about getting arrested and then having your day in
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: court and being willing to take a stand. And I
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: think it's I think there are certain issues in America,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: in American history where you have to take a stand.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: I think right now, ice is one of those issues.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Am yeah, as I said, I'll look at what he
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: said and see if there's enough.
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And and again, you know, like I said, it's
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: it's it's more from my perspective, it's more just. And
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: I don't know, I you know, like people accuse you
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: of TDS, and people accuse me of TDS, right because
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: we you know, people like us say, hey, what the hell,
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: like most of what this guy does is what is wrong.
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: So it's not it's not to try to refute that
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: is just to like I said, present a different perspective
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: from people that are not just Trump zombies, and and
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: just to see kind of you know, where that discussion goes,
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: and and maybe everybody kind of lightens up at a
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: point that makes more sense than Yeah, anyway, just was
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: a perspective. So thanks, thanks your.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Own sure, sure, all right, thanks guys. Thanks someone, Let's
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: let's go.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: To our panel, not to our panel, to our You've
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: got two twenty dollars questions. We'll start with them, and
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: then we'll go to back top panel, and then we'll
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: get to the other questions. Michael, Michael, imagine the equivalent
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: of Youran Brooks show three hundred years from now, when
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: the news reports will be big farmers celebrated for curing
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: all disease and reverse aging and average per capital income
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: reaches ten million. Well, I mean, yeah, yeah, you have
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: to put that in real terms, right, we don't we
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: don't inflation to make that ten million meaningless, but yes,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: that would be I'm really hoping we reverse aging before
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: three hundred years from now. I'm hoping we do it
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: in the next couple of decades so that I.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Can benefit from it.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Probably not happening, but you know, if you're going to
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: hope for anything, that's what I'm hoping for, so reverse
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: aging in the next three years that that would be good.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing, the point that you bring up, Michael,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: which is why you should all be depressed.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: We could be so much better off.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Materially and spiritually and in every dimension of our lives
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: right now. We could be so much richer, We could
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: be so much happier, We could be so much so
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: much more.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Richer spiritually, the arts.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: You know, we could be seeing great movies, we could
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: be doing amazing things, and instead we're stuck in this
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: history repeating itself, kind of barbaric ideologies from our past
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: and barbaric ideas from our past resurrecting themselves and infecting
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: our lives. So the sense in which the real sense
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: in which it's depressing, if you want to be depressed
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: about it, is what is possible to human beings, what
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: is possible to us what the last two hundred and
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: fifty years have given us a glimpse of the future.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: And iron Rand and his philosophy gives us a glimpse
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: of what is possible to human beings. And you know,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: not having that, and knowing you won't have it probably
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: for another three hundred years, that is the most depressing
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: thing of all. So thank you. Michael Schasbutt quote Timany
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: requires constant effort, it breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Oppression is the mask of fear. This is a NMICS
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: manifesto from endor Ando has some good lines on authoritarianism.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: The sad thing is that, in spite of that it
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: requires constant effort and so on, it can survive a
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: long long time. I mean in in the Star Wars universe,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: the the the Empire seems to keep surviving. It keeps
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: to keep being around in spite of in spite of
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: all the chipping away at it and the disks Star
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: being blown up and everything, it seems to still be there.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: But so and you can look at North Korea and
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: think how many decades now those poor people have lived
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: under some of the most oppressed, one of the most
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: oppressive regimes in all of human history. You look at
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: how long the Soviet Union lasted. And even when authoritarians
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: or tyrants, you know, Timannes die, their ideas don't die,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: and and and therefore they go and infect some other
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: part of the world and they rise up again. So yes,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: there's no question authoritarianism is brittle, and oppression is the
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: mask of fear, and yet it can somehow hold on
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: for much longer than.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Of us, any of us would like or really expect.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, the rational ip the Trump and administration confused Belgium
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: with Belarus on the border Peace Country's list really.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Amateurs.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Belgium PM whoever, also criticized Trump for crossing red lines
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: on Greenland during a panel in Davos.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I'm glad he did. I don't think.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: They I don't think they really confused. I think both
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: countries got an invitation. I think both Belgium and Belarus
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: got an invitation. Why wouldn't Why wouldn't Trump invite the dictator.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Of Belarus to the border piece.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: He's invited every other dictator in the world, Why would
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: he invite that one? So I don't think he confused it.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: I think that was on purpose. He invited them both and.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Good.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, the one thing that's coming out of this
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: is Europe did stand up to Trump, and Trump did
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: seem to back down. And maybe this is a lesson
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: to Europe to back down to Trump, not to back
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: down to Trump, to stand up to him, and maybe
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: that learn that standing up to Trump is actually a
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: way to uh, you know, standing up to Trump is
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: actually the way to deal with him rather than groveling
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: and and uh and and being overly nice to him.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: So maybe Europe is waking up. You know, we can
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: only pray to the gods. But uh, I don't know,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: but I'm I'm hoping that that Europe is indeed waking
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: up and that we will see the consequences of that
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: in the years to come, as they spend moment on
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: their own defense, as they they they build an industrial
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: military industrial kind of complex.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: As they as they establish.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Their own strategic military strategy, uh and and as they
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: take responsibility for Ukraine and for standing up to Russia,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: because it it certainly does not he certainly does not
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: seem like.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: The United States is going to stand up for Russia too. Russia,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: not full Russia. Two.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, actually they will stand up full Russia. But not
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: too Russia. All right, thank you, rational Ip all right.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Lots of five to ten dollars questions, two dollar questions.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: We'll get to those in a minute. Let's start with
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: a panel, Jennifer, I.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Wanted to say, and in regards to not being depressed
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: and lingering on the band news too much, like you said,
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: your job and your relationships, how your personal life.
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: That's important, But you.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: Know what else I do, Like I'll look around, Like
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: I'll go out in the backyard and watch the airplanes
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: that fly through the house yep, And you can press
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: a button on the phone and Amazon truck will come
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: up and you know, bringing you something cool and you
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: can switch on the light switch. I mean that would
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: have been Witchcraft five hund years ago.
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: Just stuff like that.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: So I try to concentrate and stuff like that. That's
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: all around you all the time. It's still here. I mean,
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: I know it could be better, but it's amazing. So
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: I try to look out sometimes things.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Definitely, there's definitely there's definitely there's so much amazing in
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: our lives.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: There's so much goodness in our lives.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Focusing on that is I think the key.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, all right, Andrew. Yeah.
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: You know what I think is funny about people's representation
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: of Trump.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: As like a manly man.
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: Or strong is he is hyper sensitive, and he treats
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: not even threats, like verbal threats, but like verbal anything
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: that's challenging to him in any way as though it's
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: a personal attack.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: That's not very manly. Yeah, I mean I don't that's right.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: But people still have a attitude towards manningness that is
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: rooted in you know, physical you know, physical force and
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: and thuggery. They can say that mafiosis is manly and uh.
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: This is why movies of criminals are so popular often
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: because the criminals is represented as manly and strong and able.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Right. I always use the movie Heat.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: It's an old movie, well not so old, from the
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: nineties maybe Heat with Robert de Niro and al Pacino,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: where you know, one of them plays the cop in
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: one of them plays that the cook, and the cook
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: is manly. Is he's strong, he's he's uh, you know,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: he's he's got, he's got a woman, he's got uh,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: he's got money, he's he enjoys life. He doesn't give
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: a damn about anything, and and the cop who's the
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: good guy is weak and and and he's divorced, and
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: he's depressed, and he doesn't enjoy life, and he has
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: the real values and he other than you know, going
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: after bad guys, and and the culture.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Really has that. You know, it kind of glorifies.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: The violent because there's it's it's really rebellion against altruism. Right,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: so you know, we're off it to alternatives. Right, you
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: can be the altruistic sacrifice everything, give it up to
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: others and and don't pursue your values, or you can
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: be aligned, cheating, murdering, s ob and pursue your values
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: by line cheating, stealing, and deep down a lot of
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: people don't want to be altruists, so they kind of
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: admire and respect and the thug.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: And I think I think some of that is Trump.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: They you know, he says what he wants to say,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: he doesn't he doesn't seem to care. He says whatever
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: comes into his mind. He's got a he's a big guy,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: so he's got a certain you know, physical presence. He
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: seems like a guy who would who would punch somebody
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: or slap somebody. He likes the US military, and he
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: would likes to parade it around.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: And use it. So I think they're attracted to that
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: view of that that kind.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Of Uh, the masculine is the manly is the guy
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: who goes and does what he wants, gets his values,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: gets the stuff that he wants, you know, grabs women
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: by the you know what. That's a man's man, right
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: that that and and that's that's kind of a barbaric
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: view and a view coming from altruism, because try be
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: a man and an altruist at the same time. Uh,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: it's coming from that perspective. And uh, they have not
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: until they get rid of altruism and until they in
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: a sense modernize the concept of masculinity to include human
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: reason as part of it.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: It's not there.
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: And yeat.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Trump is insecure, he lacks self esteem, he's super sensitive.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: He gets offended by the smallest little thing. He lashes out.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: He's a complete and utter emotionalist.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: He's not a thinker, he's not a reasoner, he's not
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: a strategist. He is a manipulator.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: And that is the opposite of a heroic masculine character.
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think he's.
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: I don't respect the fact that he treats like speech
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: as though it's a physical attack on him.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Anyway, yes, you know that that is a sign of
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: lack of confidence, lack of self esteem, of being insecure.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Somebody says something to you, you take it as a
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: slap in the face, and you immediately slap back.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: Yep, Catherine, I don't really have any other questions, but
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: back to my original question, yep, I guess to add
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: on to it, kind of like when Israel was going
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: through everything, for me, it felt a little hopeless because
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: it felt like the world wasn't supporting Israel. And I
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: very much see and saw them as the good guys.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: But in the end they did the good guys win.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: And I guess that is my question is like, how
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: do you believe that like the good wins out? And
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: I guess I guess it doesn't necessarily just like win
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: out on its own, right, like we have to do stuff.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: But that's my like, ques, I guess that goes back
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: to my question of how to.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Not yeah, and and and look as well one but
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: not really and there's still a lot of fighting to
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: do and it's not over. But but but yes, how
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: do we know that the wind wins out?
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: I mean in the very you know, because we know
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: that the good is is true. It's it's in concombinant.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Is that the wood with reality.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: It's it's one, you know, it is one with reality and.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Human history.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Human beings generally, over time, sometimes over a long period
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: of time, gravitate towards truth. It can take a long time.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: And as somebody said, you know, tyranny is fragile. Uh
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: and and and people people when they get a sense
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: of that their freedom's under attack in a significant way,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: they they they want to lash out. They they want
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: to fight for it. So, you know, it is Al's
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: a good example. I mean, before October seventh, the general
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: view in Israel was that the young generation was soft.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: They were soft, they didn't care about Israel. They were weak,
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: they would never fight. I mean, there was real concern
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: in Israel for the next war whether it's soldiers could
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: could live up to the demands. And this generation, i
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: mean the generation of young people in Israel, when it
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: became real to them that their lives and their families
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: lives were really in danger, it was a real threat,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: they rose to the challenge like no other generation.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, they really did.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: And they took on an incredibly difficult war, and in
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: spite of the rest of the world hating on them,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: and even some within their own country hating on them,
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: they executed about as good of a war, as good
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: of a job as as the politicians allowed them to do,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: and they won.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: And I think that's at the end of the day.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: I do believe that people who have tasted freedom and
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: live under freedom and are not easily going to give
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: it up. They're not just going to walk away from it.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: And they're going to rise up to the occasion. And
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: they might not get it right in terms of when
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: to rise up and how to rise up and what
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: issues to rise up on. But it's not just all
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: going to go to darkness suddenly. And certainly there's going
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: to be a period where there's going to be a fight,
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: and maybe that period's starting now, maybe this is just
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: the very beginning of it.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: And and when that happens, we're gonna have to just
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: like those Israeli kids that rise up and to fight.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: We're gonna have to rise up, and we're gonna have
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: to be willing to fight intellectually, morally, and maybe physically
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: for the values that we really care about but you know,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: as Michael suggested three hundred years ago, I'm pretty sure
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: we win, because sure truth wins.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: I don't want to.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: You know, three hundred years ago, they could check this
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: show and they can tell me if.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: I was right or not.
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I got no, this is all true. I think
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: this is just a personal question for me because some
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: days I feel very cynical.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: But it's very easy to it's very easy.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: I've never it's never. I don't think it's ever been
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: this bad in the US. I mean, now, I didn't live.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: I didn't.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: I was a teenager in the seventies in the US,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: and the seventies were pretty bad, and I then suddenly
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: thought it was really bad in the seventies. But I
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: think this is much worse because it's it's a it's
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: almost like it's a constant campaign to shake us up,
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: almost on a daily basis.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: What tweeted, you know, wake up to today?
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: Right, that's how I well, I be like with my
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: job and everything, Like sometimes it's hard to just like
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: go about your daily life and stay positive, and then
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: you read the news and it just seems like the
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: most insane, absurd things and it's just like having to
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: I don't know, like either tune it out or say
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: like this isn't going to last because it's crazy and
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: it's just like a constant struggle.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you got to tune it out. You
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: got to tune it out to a large extent.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: You can't do anything about it, and you've got to
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: pick your battles and you've got to just you got.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: To live your life.
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, thanks, sure, Unline, this will be an easier question.
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: So around the public defender concept, is this something that
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: the state should provide, and if it is proper to
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: be provided, how to make sure that, Okay, you know
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: you're actually getting good representation. I mean, do you engage
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: law firms? Is a state paid for it then or
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: you know, like what's what's what's your view on that.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm not sure that the state has
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: to provide It's I think it is a it is
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: a challenge because if the if the states starts hiring lawyers,
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: that that can't be right. The state shouldn't hire the lawyers.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: And then if they do hire the lawyers, you're right
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: in the sense that well, you know, these are probably
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: a lot of them are going to be maybe second
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: rate lawyers who could have you know, couldn't make it in.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: The private sector.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: And would there be enough pro bono like charity work
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: coming out of law firms to in the name of
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: the rule of law and in the name of you know,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: all of that.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: To represent.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Every criminal out there, you know, I I would hope
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: the answer to that is yes.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: That there would be. Uh.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: That would just be part of what law firms do
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: is instead of giving to charity, they would they would
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: represent people who can't afford to be represented. They do
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: it even to they do it today of course, you know,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: even with public defense.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Is they go in and they they represented.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: I think in a I generally think a capitalist society
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: is so benevolent and much more beleivated and cares about
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: issues like the rule of law and understands why things
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: like that are important.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: That they would do it. But now I guess it's possible.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: I've seen objectives debate this point, and I don't have
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: a strong view about it. Could it be that, you know,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: the the government pays for that, that is, if nobody
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: will do it pro bono, that the government pays a
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: lawyer in a hypotectic come in and represent this person.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: I guess that's possible. I mean, it's not obvious to
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: me that it's a violation of rights. It could be
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: part of the raising money for the judiciary is to
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: raise money for that. It could be that there's a
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: separate you know, your your taxes might be such that
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: when you pay them, you click boxes of where you
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: do money to go, and it could be one of
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: those boxes where people in a sense of contributing towards
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: that and that determine how much can be paid. So
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: I think there's solutions to the issue, assuming benevolence and
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: assuming you know, once we get there, we figure these
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: things out.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:18
  Speaker 6: I mean, for one thing, there would be a lot
• 46:20
  Speaker 6: less criminal cases because there'd be so many laws that
• 46:23
  Speaker 6: we have today that wouldn't exist.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, probably a lot of those are where contentious things happen,
• 46:29
  Speaker 6: like drug in the whole drug war thing. I mean,
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: I'm sure there's all kinds of corrupt cases that are brought.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Should absolutely and I mean dug laws wouldn't exist, and yeah,
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: and a lot of other laws.
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: Were criminal laws and gambling laws and all those kind
• 46:43
  Speaker 6: of nonsense that would be gone. However, you know, the
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: different like you've made the point many times that you know,
• 46:50
  Speaker 6: medical services are not something that the state should be providing.
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: And if you can't afford it, too bad. You rely
• 46:57
  Speaker 6: on charity and if nobody wants to support you, well,
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: so be it. Right, Yeah, that's it. But the difference
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: here is that this is actually the government taking a
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: specific action against you.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and and I think that's right, the government.
• 47:10
  Speaker 6: Having you know, an effect on limited resources that.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well do they?
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: I mean that the other advantage of capitalisms. They don't
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: have unlimited resources. They have very limited resources.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: By the people are voting with their dollars.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: Not only yeah, but yes, I agree, and and so
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: it is reasonable to assume that there would be some
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: pool of money available for that, but that mostly would
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: rely on some kind of pro bono and that the
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: law firms would be eager to do it again because
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: they understand what the system demands, and they put in
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: some of these things and they get off everything you
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: just said, and they therefore they want to they want
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: to make sure people are well represented.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: Sorry, just on a related note, like one of the
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: things I think with the current system is that even
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: if you're lawyer, thinks you're guilty. Yeah, and maybe I'm
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: going too much off TV and movies here. But you know,
• 48:07
  Speaker 6: even if they think you're guilty, you know, they still
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: say that, Okay, my job is to try to, you know,
• 48:13
  Speaker 6: get you off. I guess yep.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: It.
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: You know, would you still see that as kind of
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: what the role of the defense lawyer should be or
• 48:21
  Speaker 6: is it more sort of the supposedly the European approach
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: where you're together trying to discover the facts of the truth.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think the approach of I know
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: you're guilty, but I'm going to get you off anyway
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: is right. So that can be right, it can be
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: you know, you're you're you're part of the judiciary, you're
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: part of the system. Your job is discovered the truth
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: one way or the other. How exactly you structure it,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: whether it's the EUPEM model where both the prosecutor and
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: the defense lawyer basically are working with a judge and
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: the judge is really an investigator and there's.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: No you know, I don't know.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: I'd have to really study what the pluses and minuses
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: of that is. And maybe we need a completely news system,
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: one that still maintains a jury. But you know, you'd
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: have to really think that through.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: I haven't.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: So you'd have to have a legal somebody really interested
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: in law think about what is the best way to
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: structure a justice system like that.
• 49:20
  Speaker 6: It'd be an interesting discussion for one of your guests,
• 49:22
  Speaker 6: like I guess somebody like Tara Smith or something like
• 49:25
  Speaker 6: that that.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know that she's looked at it. I
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: know that Lena Peacock.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Basically came down on the side of the European system.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: So he rejected, he rejected the American system, the the.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: What do we call it, the adversarial.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: System, adversarial and and and you know, and this is
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: in the nineties, I think, after after the O. J.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Simpson trial, and basically came down strongly on the European model,
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: where the role of the court is to discover truth.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: It's not to defend, it's not to prosecute, it's discover truth.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: And and so it's it's definitely around the O. J.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Simpsons. So what was that ninety early nineties, right mid nineties,
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: And it.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Might be in this talk about the O. J. Simpson trial.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: So that's available online. If you put I think Lennapik
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: off OJ Simpson, you can find it, okay, but he
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: definitely comes down strongly on the on the European model. Okay,
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety five, I'm told nineteen ninety five.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, thank you, yep, all right, Thanks Alan, Thanks
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: you guys. Let's see somebody else is ninety two not
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: ninety five, right, It's easy enough to figure it. Ryan.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Thank you one hundred and thirty nine Canadian dollars. Sorry
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: I cannot join today. Have a great show reason purpose
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: self esteem. Thank you, Ian, really really really appreciate the support.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Not jav y'allgo with him. Is the American
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: experiment coming to an end?
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: I mean I hope not, And in any case, it
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: will still be an experiment because how we respond to this,
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: how how you know, the different branches of government respond
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: to it, how the Constitution is used, what exactly happens,
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: is still going to be part of that experiment.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: So I don't think so.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: I think we're still We're still going to have We
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: still have some fighting out to do, some fighting out
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: to do in the next couple of decades before we
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: can declare total defeat.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: I'm not quite ready to do that yet, Nae.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: Every is very discorting to see how many people take
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: joy in the suffering of others. Was a subset of
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: American population always as bigoted and hateful?
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Or is this const seeping into the culture.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, it's it's in a sense seeping into
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: the culture. But COND was a long long time ago,
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: and conta seeped into the culture and if different ways,
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: in a variety of different means, through a variety of
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: different thinkers over time. It's not like more people are
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: reading cont right now. Quite the opposite. Probably, So First,
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: there's probably always been a upset of people like this. Second,
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: it's much worse, and it's worse because the tribalism is worse,
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: because the unthinking is worse, because educational system has been
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: at play.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: This is maybe the cont for longer.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: It's worse because we have a certain configuration of people
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: and events that have brought out this tribalism in a
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: on large scale. Again, I think starting in nine to
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: eleven and only getting kind of worse since then, great
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: financial crisis and COVID and all of that has.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: Led us to this moment.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: But fundamentally, when when you write the history sometimes in
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: the future, Yeah, it's the battle of ideas. So the
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: battle of ideas was lost. It was lost in the sixties,
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: you know, it was lost one hundred years ago maybe,
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: And and the battle of ideas, it keeps getting worse.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: And sometimes we get some reprieve because of some combination
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: that is getting is getting better, or a particular person
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: or some set of ideas that combat the BT ideas
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: for a little while but then abandoned. But overall it's
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: the it's the bad ideas seeping for them further into
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: the culture. And tribalism is a feature of unreason. Tribalism
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: is a feature of fear, which is a feature of unreason.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: And as we over many decades have undermined, reason is
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: man's basic means of survival. People are turning, people are
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: becoming fearful, they're turning to the tribe, and they're turning
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: to an authority, a political authority, to tell them what
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: they should think and what they should do and how
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: they should behave. So it's there's an element that's always
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: been there, but on scale, it's a phenomena that is
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: the consequence of the education people have received over the
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: last hundred years. Liam we cannot in a new we
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: may not be in a new dark age, but we
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: are on a new ice age.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: It's clever. These are gestapo units. I'm worried about how
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: they will be deployed once Trump loses big in the midterms.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: I don't think that yet Gestapo units. Not yet. You know,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: we will see this still.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: I was just reading a thing about a judge that
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: refused five arrest warrants to the FAED over the what
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: was going on in the church last weekend. And you
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: know there's still the law that is standing up to
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: Ice on certain funds. We'll see what happens with this
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: latest shooting. I just don't see it. I don't see
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: it as gestopo yet. They have the same mentality, and
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: it could become that, but I don't think it's quite
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: they yet.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: There's still a battle to be fought.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: And you know, as I look out, I see resistance,
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: and I see people standing in their way, and I
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: see people engaging in civil disobedience, and that that civil
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: disobedience was not present in Germany in nineteen thirties, so
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: it was easy for the Geestopo to take on more
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: and more and more and more power. It's not clear
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: that that can happen here, given the amount of resistance
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: they are facing. And I think if Trump, for example,
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: try to deploy ice during the elections, the judiciary would
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: be against him. And would he really be willing to
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: just abandon all adherents in judiciary?
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: Would he really be willing.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: To just ignore just say a constitution has ended on
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: declaring dictatorship. I don't know if he'd actually be willing
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: to do that, and I don't know how many of
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: the people around him would actually be willing to do that.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: I think they'll chip away, they'll push, they'll stretch, they'll
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: keep going as much as they can, but they're cowards
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: in the end. And I don't think Trump wants to
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: go down in history in spite of everything as the
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: guy who ended America, the American experiment. Somebody said, right,
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: And I don't. So, you know, we'll see maybe next
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: week or the week after. I don't know whenever we
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: get this decision from the Supreme Court. Once the Supreme
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: Court decides, if it decides that the tariffs are against
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: the constitution, what will Trump's response be. We'll get a
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: good indication about his willingness to abide by the courts.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: With that amen, have you found it difficult to.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: Maintain a friendly, respectful relation ship with the people close
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: to you who are adamant MEGA supporters, in particular family,
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: close friends, close friends. That says, that's part one of
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: a two part question.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, here it goes.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: It seems at times the divide reaches beyond we can
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: agree to disagree. By the way, thanks to Gupta for
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: clarifying my question. Whereas Gupta, I don't see yeah anyway,
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: Right now, in terms of my friends and my friends,
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: I don't have any who are supportive of MEGA. I
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: don't have that many friends, and the friends that I
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: have are all in agreement. I don't think there's anybody
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: who disagrees about this, about Trump, about MEGA, among my friends,
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: about people I hold close. Now, maybe I'm wrong. I mean,
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: I I've got a couple of friends. I've got one
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: friend who's I'd say. His attitude is, you know, this
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: too will pass. He's not really doing that much damage.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: The deregulation is worth it, and we shouldn't get that excited.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: We shouldn't get that upset because.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: It'll pass, and the economy is doing fine. Look at
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: the stock market and deregulation. Deregulation emphasises that. And you know,
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: I can manage that. It's not like he's defending any
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: If I say, look what Ice is doing, he says, yeah,
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: that's insane. But he's not going to defend anything Trump
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: is doing. But he's not going to get super excited
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: about the bad stuff.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: He thinks I overreact, But beyond that, all my friends
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: are with me on these issues. And then family, God,
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: I mean my family lives far away. I disagree with
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: my family on a thousand different things. We probably agree
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: on Trump, but they all left us. I mean they're
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: more left and they left us. And economic issues generally,
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: I generally say no politics, I'm not talking to you.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: I have an uncle who every time I'm with him,
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: he wants a debate socialized medicine, and I've told him
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: it's just, you know, let's just not talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to talk about it. I
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  Speaker 1: don't see them that often.
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  Speaker 6: You know.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: I have an uncle in London who is a straight
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: out socialist and has been forever, and I don't go
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: see him. I don't go visit him because I and
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: I really when I was a kid. I loved this uncle.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, he was my favorite uncle. We host around,
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: we had a great time, and I have really really
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: positive memories of him. And because of that, I don't
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: want to get into arguments with him. There's no value
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: to be gained from that. So I just and I
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: know we probably will or it'll just be like a
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: cloud hanging over us, because he knows I disagree with
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: him about everything. It'll just be a cloud hanging over us.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: So I just don't and I prefer to just remember
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: him as it was. So you know, it's and when
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: and my parents. I don't talk politics with my parents,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: I don't talk my siblings. I don't talk politics with
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: and when I do, you know, they don't really argue
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: with me, so but I don't see them that often.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: So you know, I don't have that situation. So I'm
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: sure you guys do, maybe because because you have friends
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: at work, your friends in your community. My work is objectivism,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: so all my friends, almost all my friends are objectivists.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: So I don't really face that. And you probably live
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: close to your family.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: I don't, which was a great you know, I think,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: and ultimately a good strategic decision for my life.
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  Speaker 1: And not because I dislike my family. You know, my
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: family is great as families go, but just because it's
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: it's not that important value to me, but it Yeah,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: so I'm not the best person to answer that question,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: but yeah, my general advice is deal with family.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: Members and family members, let's say, deal with family members
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  Speaker 2: on those things that you enjoy dealing with them, and
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: avoid engaging them on things that you know are just
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: going to turn into yelling matches or whatever. And with friends, Yeah, friends,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know. You know, it depends on what the
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: friendship is, how deep it is. If it's just a
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: work friend and you enjoy talking about work, or enjoy
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: talking about software, enjoy talking about some narrow issue, then
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: keep it at that, don't talk about politics. If they're
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: a broader category of a real friend, then you have
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: to talk about these things and then you have to
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: get pissed off at.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: Them and you have to.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: Battle it out and see where that takes your friendship
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: and if the friendship can survive it, and maybe it
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: can't and maybe it can. So but again, politics is
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: not everything in life. You can be friendly with somebody
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: you disagree with on politics and love to go to
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: concerts with them and talk about music with them and
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: talk you know, the lyrics of Rush with them, look
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: at Jennifer.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: So or whatever, right, and they love that. But on
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: politics you disagree and you just don't talk about it.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: And they're not a major friend. It's a limited friendship.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: But that limit is good. It's it's you know, so
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: they had work in places like that. You might add
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: limited friendships. So don't make life about politics. Politics is
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: one aspect of life. It's not all of life, all right,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: thank you, Abram Harpercampbell. Facts last longer than fascism. The
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: day is coming. Yeah, I would say truth lasts longer
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: than fascism.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: That is true.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: Gail says, are you concerned about Canada's growing relations with China?
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: Not really? I mean, what are the Chinese going to do?
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  Speaker 2: They're not invading, they're not getting of age Canada. Then
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: I'm I mean, I'm generally I'm not that concerned about China.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'll talk about this on Monday Show. But
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: China is not as strong as people think it is.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: They just fired basically, like three quarters of the entire
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: military leadership in China has just been arrested. There's a
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: major battle going on among Chinese leadership for control of
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: the Communist Party and control of the future of China.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: The economy is not doing well, the people are restless,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: there's massive corruption. I don't think their weapons systems work
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: anywhere near as well as they think they work. We
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: certainly still in Venezuela that they didn't work. China is
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: not a military threat. I mean, it might be to Taiwan,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: and it would be ugly if China tried to invade Taiwan,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: and they might, but it's not a threat to Canada.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: So what's gonna happen.
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  Speaker 2: You're gonna buy cheap electric cause from from from the Chinese,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: and they'll buy your oil, and nothing really bad is
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: going to happen from that transaction other than to actend that.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: You know, you're trading with China. China benefits, and the China.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: Indish regime I might use that benefit to oppress their
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: own people.
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  Speaker 1: So you could argue that.
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  Speaker 2: We shouldn't trade with China and as individuals because it
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: supports oppression. But it's not a I don't view China
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: as an actual real threat. If we maintain our sanity,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: that's a big gift granted I mean the threat China
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: post us is in the weakness that we manifest.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: All right, last ship to check question and then I'll
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: go back to the panel. Mark, can we can you
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  Speaker 1: expound on miss Rand's quote, Defiance, not obedience is the
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: America's answer to overbear authority? Yeah, I mean it's it's
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: captured in what New Hampshire state flag. Don't tread on me.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's the idea that when people tell you you
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: can't do that, we don't allow.
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  Speaker 1: You to do that.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: You say, to hell, who are you to tell me
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: I can't do it? Who they help you to stop me?
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: What gives you the right to hold me back? It's
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: in the story of Dagonese's grandfather, right, who build a railroad?
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: And you know, if you had to bribe some people,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: and if you had to you know, rumor has it,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: maybe you know somebody stood in his way, disappeared. He
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: did what was necessary to get stuff done. He didn't
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: accept the authoritarian's foot on the neck. He stood up
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: against them. And to defy is to stand up against.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: To defy is.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: To act, to move forward, to advance towards your values.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: Obedience is death, It's passivity. It's passivity.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: So in the face of the moral, in the face
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: of the unjust, it sometimes is necessary to.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: Be to to be defiant.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: Now, how you have to be defiant and still be
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: safe and still because of your values and still you know,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: not support anarchy and not support not support uh not
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: land up in jail and all of that and not
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: land up dead like some some people in Minneapolis. It's
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: it's difficult, but yeah, I mean this is an This
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: is a country that was created through defiance. They defied
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: a king, they defied the mightiest military force in history
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: to that point. They they defied, they rebelled. They were revolutionaries.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: They weren't conservatives they want status squo people. They were
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: revolutionaries stood up and said no, no, you can't text
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: our teeth. You can't, you can't do this all this
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: stuff to us. We are gonna, you know, stand up
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: to you, and we're gonna fight you. Remember, this is
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: a country born of revolution and uh. It was that
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: Jefferson who said, maybe we need a revolution every now
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: and then in order to refresh that spirit of defiance,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: that spirit of liberty.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: And and Iman viewed that defiance.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: In the face of authority in the fence of of
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: the in the face of overbearing authority.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: Notice overbearing authority.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: She understood that as being a characteristic of the American
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: spirit of what it is to be an American. Candace says,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: he's not leaving Minnesota. Every illegal must go, all right.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: There is no such thing as an illegal person. There
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: is no such thing, from a moral perspective, as anything
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: wrong with immigration.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: There's zero problem with illegal immigrants. If they're criminals, put
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: them in jail. You put them. I don't care.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: If they're not criminals, there's no issue. There literally is
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: no issue. I think they're gonna be Yeah. Anyway, Well,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: I have to do the most shows than immigration. All right,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: I'll lose I'll lose a lot more subscribers. Yeah, that's
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: the massachist in me. I guess, all right, Jennifer. Why
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: should they be vetted?
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: Vetted for what? And who are they?
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: Why the guys working in the Mexican restaurant doing the
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: dishes needs to be vetted for what?
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: You should be vetted, right, Every human being on the
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: planet should be vetted. I mean you might turn around
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: and be a murderer or a cook, or a rapist
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: or whatever.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: Every American citizen should be vetted.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: Everybody should go through a police and they should put
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: a chip in your so they know everywhere you go,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: and maybe a chip in your brain so they know
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: if you thought you have so before you commit the rape,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: they can arrest you.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: I mean vetting. Vetting is the essence of authoritarianism. Vetting
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: for what I mean anyway, Yes, Jennifer.
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  Speaker 3: You know that phrase, be careful what you wish for
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: you just might get it, you know.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I was just I'm not sure what this and because
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: in a sense, you could say, make sure you think
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: it through what you want to value or pursue. But
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: on the other hand, I always sort of took it
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: like like they're kind of discouraging you, like, well, you
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: don't really know what you want and it's not going
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: to turn out good. And I always kind of took
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: it like as a negative, like what do you think
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: of that?
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: No, I think it's more of a well, I mean,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: it depends who's using it.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: I guess maybe people use it in different ways, but
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: I think it's mostly used as you know, think about
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: what the wish is, because if you get it, what
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: are you going to do?
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: Is it actually good? For you, is it actually? Is
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: it actually? Do you really want it? Do you really
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: want it?
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people engage in wishes
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: that are not positive and not good for them.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 6: I think, at least the way I've always used it
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 6: and understood it as like the people that are sitting
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 6: there saying, oh, we want Trump to be a dictator.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 6: It's like, okay, be careful what you want, because fine,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 6: you get the dictatorship and then see what's going to
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 6: happen kind of deal. So I actually have always taken
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 6: as a very positive kind of response of think of
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 6: the consequences. Uh yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: But it's like implying that what you're wishing for isn't
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: necessarily good something.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, because you haven't thought it really through, thought of
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: all the consequences. Yeah.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: So let's say I think I did, and why you're
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: telling me that, you know what I mean?
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Then it then it's then it's it's it's not applicable, right, right,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: I thank you? Yeah, thanks, Andrew.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, you made a comment that you think that
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 5: people who read Ran nowadays are getting less out.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: Of the books over time. What what did you mean
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: by that? Oh?
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: I mean I think I think as educational system, the
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: two you reach, people can understand less and you know
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: respond unless Now I don't have any data to prove this,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: so that's me just talking. So I don't have any data.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: But it strikes me as education gets worse, you read
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: those books, you're going to get less from them. You're
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: gonna you know, as let's say, your ability to conceptualize
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: is hampered, your ability to use your reason is hampered.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: You know, few and fewer people will be able to
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: If there are fewer people who are rising the conceptual level,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: fewer people will be able to completely grasp what she's
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: getting in.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 5: I mean her her books are very challenging, and yes,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 5: I think that. Yeah, you have the risk of people
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 5: like reading Atlas Shrunk and just getting a very superficial economics.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: It's always been the case for a certain number of people.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: The question is is the is the percentage of people
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: who get it when they read the books growing or declining?
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: That that that's the and I think it's going But
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: they've always been.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, millions and millions of people have read Iron
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: Ran and very few got it. So that's that's the
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: reality of the past that's the reality of the presence,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: probably the reality of the future. But the challenges I
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: think it might be getting worse now. The more.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: The more people they are, like the more shows that
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: are like you're on book show, and the more programs
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: there out there in an institute, the more guides they
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: are for reading Iran, the more points of contact they are.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: You know, people can then revisit and and learn more
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: and build and and and so on.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: So I think that's how we grow.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: Uh, we have to supplement Ironman's books. You know, for
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: many of us that was enough, but for me out
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: there in the culture, it's not. Yeah, sure, Catherine, I
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: don't know if you want to ask a.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: Question of skip.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: Okay, I have a kind of question because I use
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: AI a lot in my job, and I find that
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 4: it's great for doing like grunt work type stuff that
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 4: I don't want to do or didn't like consolidating notes
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: or just drunk work things. Sure, but do you feel
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 4: like it's going to I worry, and I think people
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 4: worry about like creativity and if it's going to like
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 4: make movies, it's just going to make terrible movies because
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 4: it's just going to borrow from here, there, there, and
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 4: they're lack of originality. That will happen because people are
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: just using computers to be creative instead of like actually
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: having the creativity come from human source.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, here's the challenge.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: You know, I think that most of the movies made
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: today lack of creativity and lack originality. I'm not sure
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: an AI created movie would be any worse than any
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: of the latest versions of superhuman movies or any of
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: the latest movie versions of artsy movies that pretend to
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: have deep meaning and are just just.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: Just nothing ness.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: So is it gonna be a lot worse than what
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: is being produced today by Hollywood? It what what we'll
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: miss is the real the real genius that what if
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: the AI movies will not be able to be really
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: really creative And to the extent there's still creativity in
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: movies that we won't have, we won't get, But in
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: terms of most of the movies made, it'll be part
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: of the course.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: I think that.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: Says more about our current state of movies.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: I think that's right.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: But it also but it's probably true of any era
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: that is. Think about all the painters in the Renaissance, right,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: and this probably you know, a handful. You know, Renaissance
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: is maybe more than a handful of maybe a couple
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: of dozen, maybe three dozen.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know of geniuses.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: Of really people really pushing that forward, really creating something special.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: But there were hundreds of painters and most of them
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: were mediocre. They were I mean most of us looking
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: at the paintings with say, wow, that's beautiful, because they
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: were copying Leonardo in a sense, and they were, they were,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: they were, but they had nothing original. And I think
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: that's true of any era. There's there's there's a few
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: people who really bringing great creativity and great genius to
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: the task, and then there were a lot of people
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: who in a sense copying, and some of them are
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: copying brilliantly. That is a really really good at copying.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: And so I don't know that that's that different than
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: any era.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that we ever live in an era
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: where everybody working in film is really pushing the medium
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: forward and really doing something exciting and new and creating
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: really new stories. Maybe we would one day, but I
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: would still entertain us. For most of us, we couldn't
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: tell the difference.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think of like my favorite movie as
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: lame is and like, I'm like, hey, I could never
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 4: make this because it's so special. But I think that
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 4: there's like not that many that are so special.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: But also if you gave Ai, maybe not today, but
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: in twenty years, if you gave AI the novel and said,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: turn this into a musical, here, successful musical is of
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: the past. So the kind of music to generate, Yeah,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: and here's the kind of dialogue.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: That is typical in the musical. Could could it do it?
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  Speaker 4: What I'm saying is if there was no book, if
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: there was no like like create the original Like I mean, yeah,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: I'm sure it could take a screenplayer a book and
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: like make a movie out of it. But I'm saying
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: like the originality of the story.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that, And and and certain acting
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: performances it couldn't recreate because they are truly acts of
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: original genius. And so there's a lot that I don't
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: think AI could recreate, but there's a lot that it could.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: And and most people.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: Of people or more can't tell the difference between great
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: arts and medio cards. Yeah, I mean, how many people
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: even read Limitless?
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: So yeah, but that's sad, but yeah.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, I mean it's sad, but on the flip side
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: of that is we get to read mess and enjoy it,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: So focus on positive. Thanks Catherine, thank you. Good question.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: And it's going to be a question we keep asking
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: ourselves and keep having to think about the answer as
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: AI gets more sophisticated what it does.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: And.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: It's not it's not it's not done.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: We're gonna have to figure out what's actually going.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 4: On because it does a ton of stuff for me,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: Like I'll take executive notes and say, hey, take all
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: of these notes from all these things and like consolidate
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 4: them in a way, and it does things that it's
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: just like I don't want to do that anyway because
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: it's not interesting. But I do think it's there's like
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: something about human life that only humans can create that
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: we don't want to go away.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: I think that's right. I think that's right.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: It's it's we're gonna have to figure out what that
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: is exactly and how we do it and get better
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: at it because the AI is going to infringe more
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: and more on more and more things the way that
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: feature is not being applied.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, thanks un.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah, just just maybe an add on on the point
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 6: that Catherine just raised. I mean, to me, I think
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 6: the market's going to drive that too.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 6: It's like with special effects, when when George Lucas you know,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 6: really broke the you know, broke the barriers on special
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 6: effects with Star Wars, and every movie was trying to
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 6: do it and most of them failed. So I think
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 6: we'd end up with the same. But anyway, my question
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 6: is more, you know, I just spent late last year
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 6: about six weeks in Vietnam traveling around, had a great time,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 6: and I thought there was a lot of energy in
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 6: the country. But my question would be is do you
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 6: do you think there's kind of an absolute limit in again,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 6: absolutely somewhat flexible, but an absolute limit on on on
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 6: wealth that a country didn't create under ostensibly communist systems
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 6: like Vietnam. Like, they're not overly oppressed that I think,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 6: as long as you don't criticize the government too much.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 6: People seem to be doing a lot of you know,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 6: entrepreneurial type stuff that doesn't seem to be that much
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 6: resentment of people with wealth.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean, here's the thing about countries
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: like Vietnam and the supplies to China as well, Yeah,
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: is they massively benefit from the freedom that we enjoy.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: So it's still true that the innovation happens here and
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: they benefit from it. They're free writing in a sense
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: off of that innovation. So I do think there's a
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: limit to the wealth because there's only so they because
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: they're always in a sense be behind us in the
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: sense that they'll always depend on us to the extent
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: we stay free. And there's a certain type of innovation.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: This goes to AI, right, It's similar to the AI
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: question in a sense.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: Right, there's a certain type of.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: Innovation that only free people can can do because it
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: requires the ability to think without the constraints of which
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: bureaucrat am are going to piss off. And to that
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: and to that extent, that's always going to limit them
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: and and it's always going to constrain them. I also
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: think that, and I think this is true in China
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: as well. Ultimately, as a middle class grows in these countries,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: they will want.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: More than economic freedom.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: So this system is inherently unstable, and I think that's
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: what's going on. I mean, there's something going on in
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: China right now. There's a there seems to be a
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: real struggle for leadership. And I think this is some
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: people within the party realizing that the the enhanced authoritarianism
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: of Khi has actually destroyed this engine of growth that
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: they had fifteen years ago, and maybe they need something different.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: They don't want to go freedom, They're not looking for freedom,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: but they're looking to loosen things up a little bit
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: because the people unhappy and because the economy is not
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: doing well. And I think that's inevitable, and it's only
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: going to get worse even if nothing happens now, that
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: trend will only get worse. But yes, there is a
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: limit how much wealth you can accumulate under authoritarianism.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, hice, all right, we've got a bunch of super chats.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: All right, defleshing, deflestion, something like that, he says, considering
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: Bernando cuts up essential foundation. Promoting the primacy of consciousness
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: is gaining some traction. Do you think people just need
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: something to believe in, something to believe in? Are their
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: interests behind people believing in something? So looks people suddenly
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: do need something to believe in. But look, the primacy
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: of consciousness is a very appealing idea once you get
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: rid of reason.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: That is our educational system. I think.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: I think I always go back to that educational system
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: and not intellectuals basically tell us constantly not to rely
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: on reason, to be suspicious of reason, to.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: Be cynical and skeptical.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: And you know, educational system emphasises emotions for example.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: Well, but but then how do we know anything? And
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: what is there to know?
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: And if reality is what it is, if kind of reality,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: if we have the privacy of existence.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: Well then I can't know it.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: It's impossible for me to know anything because I'm, you know,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: outside of existence. Well not outside of existence, I'm observing existence,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: but I can't trust my reason. But if you then
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: teach them that, no, they're actually making up reality in
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: some sense, right, Primacy of consciousness kind of idea. It's
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: a consciousness makes up the world constantly. Then it gives
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: them a false sense of control, it gives them a
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: false sense of legitimacy, and it basically justifies the emotionalism.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: So I think the reason you know privacy of consciousness
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: is on the rise is the kind of reason.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: So primacy of consciousness will always fill in the gap emotions,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: and privacy of consciousness will always fill in the gap
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: when reason is gone, when you, reason is gone because
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: we need something.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: In a sense, something to believe in or something to
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: some way in which to know in you know, quotation marks,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: it's not real knowledge and partisive consciousness kind of in
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: a sense. So religion fills in that gap when we've
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: lost our primary means of knowledge. But I don't and
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: I don't think there's necessarily a conspiracy around it's it's
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: more just the prevalent philosophy, the prevalent ideology.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: All right, James. The United States is losing its own identity,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: which is alarming not only for its own citizens, but
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: there is the world. Aha.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: That's absolutely true, and that reminds me of this. I've
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: bean stemming at it all along, and I forgot to
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: mention this. I am giving a talk on, in a sense,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: what is America or it's it's going to be. I
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: mean the title, the formal title is America Nation of Ideas,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: American Nation of Ideas. The talk is going to be
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: in Austin, Texas at the University on Thursday, February fifth.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: It's actually going to be at the Union, Texas Union
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: Building on Thursday February fifth at.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: Five point thirty pm.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: Five thirty pm Austin, Texas, America a nation of ideas
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: and will be me talking. And it's under the the
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: program of the Civitus Civitas Institute. So I'll actually put
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: put the link in the chain for you guys, and
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: if I I'll try not to put it in the description.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: But also information about this is available on my website.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: But if you live in Austin, Texas, it'd be great
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: if you if you came. So I see Ian has
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: joined us. I'll get to Ian in a minute. But Rob,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: are you? Rob is asking are you familiar with Robert
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: Green's forty eight Loads of Power? And what do you
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: think of Mechaveelian tactics to climb one's way to the top.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: So I'm vaguely familiar with it. I mean people have
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: mentioned it to me. I haven't read the book, so
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: I'm not familiar with it in detail. In general, I
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: think Mechiavelli is Mechiavelli's rules. You know, this is pragmatism
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: in politics. It's anti principle.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: And it's about power, not necessarily about success and flourishing.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: And I would just caution, I mean, it might have
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: some very good advice, a lot of these books often
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: have good advice and and I sided I don't. I
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: wouldn't want you to dismiss the good stuff in it.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: If just beware the Machiavelli himself is Uh, it's about
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: political power over others. And it's it's it's real pragmatism.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: That is, it's a negation of any kind of marravel
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: principles in in guiding yourself.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: It's it's and it doesn't have a proper conception. I don't.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know about Robert Green, but it doesn't have
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: a proper conception of self interest.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: It has a pragmatic conception of doing your doing what's
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: in your interest, right. Uh, questions of flowing in Noah says,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: if Canada makes a deal with China, Oh this is
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: from Donald Trump. Yes, I saw this this morning. I'm
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: going to talk about it on Monday. If Canada makes
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: a deal with China, it will immediately be hit with
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent tariff against all Canadian goods and products
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: coming into the United States. Thank you for your attention
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: to this matter. That's I mean, he's nuts. What can
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: I say? He's an economic ignoramus and he's nuts. It
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: basically is a declaration that we're going to stop being
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: putting stuff from Canada and that I mean, just think
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: about the I don't know how many millions of bollos
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: of oil the United States brings in from Canada. I mean,
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: think about what fuel prices will do in the Midwest
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: and elsewhere. I mean, Canada has that heavy oil. I
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: guess now we're getting it for Venezuela, so maybe maybe
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: we don't need it from Canada. It means that, you know,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: everything we input from Canada's gone it we just stop
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: trading with Canada. It's devastating for the auto companies. Although
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: he might do exclusions.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: Of course, it's crazy and it's insane and it's stupid
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: and it makes no sense.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: So trade is good, but you see, Trump thinks trade
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: is bad. So why shouldn't China make a deal with Canada,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: make a deal with China to trade value for value?
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: And why is it any of America's business? But that's
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: the you know, that's the kind of This is why
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: this mareme court needs to take away this power from Trump.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: This is why Congress needs to do its job finally
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: and really take away this power from Trump, like take
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: it away, not just regard to one law, but completely.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: This is why the president shouldn't have content blanch of
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: raising taxes on Americans. It should have to go through
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: a legislative process. It should be hard, it should be difficult,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: it should have to pass a fillibuster. It's you know,
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: raising taxes is bad and a serious thing, and we
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: want to create barriers to it. We do not want
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: Trump running around the world, you know, attacking people with tariffs,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: you know, as if they're going to pay it, and
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: instead of you know, the fact that it's hooting Americans.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: Think about what happens the price of TIMBA in the
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: United States, which affects housing directly. I mean you could
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: go on and on and on. I'm sure there are
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: other other areas. It's just it's just absurd and ridiculous.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you're on though, I don't. I don't know if
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 6: he's speaking to Americans. I think he's speaking to Canadians
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 6: with that.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's threating you guys, Yes, I know.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah, no, no, but he's but he's he's speaking to
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 6: all the Canadians that are that are scared as hell
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 6: about anything that the guy says, and they're afraid to say, Okay,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 6: raise your taxes and your people screw you, and when
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 6: your people complain, that's your problem.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 6: Very but Canadians are too scared to do that. And
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 6: and maybe maybe the example of Greenland, and as much
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 6: as I hate Carneie, you know, maybe he'll be ready
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 6: to sort of say that.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: You know what's more likely, it's more likely it's gone.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: He says, we'll raise one hundred percent tarists on everything
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: you bring in.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, of course that's probably what he's going to say.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 6: It's what you have said. So that's what I would
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 6: expect from Canada.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: You know, which is still something because it'll still hurt America,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: so so in a hold American businesses that might then
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: lobby Trump to change his mind, so you know it.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: But it's this is why again, this is why you
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: shouldn't have this power. You can't give the president of
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: power to at will whenever he feels like it, just
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: raised taxes on whoever he feels like doing it.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: It's just so arbitrary and random.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: It's exactly what this country, the whole mechanisms of this
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: country were put.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: In place to avoid.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: how that plays out. But I did see that this morning,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: all right, James. Is oppression the mask of fear. If
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: you want to oppress other people, it must be because
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: you're afraid of them in some capacit or of their
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: free will, of their capacity to achieve.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, the most fundamental fear of other people.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: Is their capacity to no reality.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: Again, this goes back to the.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: Source of most fear is the idea that you have
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: that you cannot deal with reality. And you look around
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: and you see people who can deal with reality, and
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: you hate them. You're afraid. Your fear is not of
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: other people. Primarily your fear is of reality. And so
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: I don't think oppression is the mask of fear, but
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: not a fear of the people. Fear of life, fear
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: of reality, fear of truth. That's what dictators are afraid of.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: And that's why no matter how many people they kill,
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: they're still afraid because their fear is not person x,
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: it's the very nature of reality.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: So it is the mask of fear, but not fear
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: from people, fear from reality. Neil, did you listen to
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: Mark Connie's speech? How realistic is it? I listened to
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: his first speech. I know he did a second one.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's true that we are heading
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: towards a new geopolitical era. That is, I think the
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: old world order basically Trump is Trump is killing it.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: I think the Europeans and the Canadians and even the
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: Saudist and maybe these Raelis will see if these radies
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: wake up a learning that they can't rely on America,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: and they are, they're coming.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: To the right conclusion.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: That is, they're not just saying they can't rely on Trump,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: they can't rely in America because they're looking at who
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: comes after Trump. Somebody at JD. Evans can't rely on
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: him either. So I do think that there are there
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: are there's a real re thinking of geopolitics right now happening,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: a real angst about relationships with America in the United States,
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: and that is what is causing a complete realignment of
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: geopolitics now. Whether it happens and I will see, but
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: it seems like it's happening. And Connie was pointing that out,
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: and I think he's right, Like numbers, should objectivists be
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: brave enough to get arrested by ICE? I don't know
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: some of you, Maybe it depends on you I'm not
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: going to tell you to be brave enough. I'm certainly
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: not going to tell you to go out and try
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: to get yourself arrested. It depends on your values, how
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: much this issue in particular is important to you, and
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: what else you've got going on in your life. So yeah,
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't have I'm not giving advice to
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: objectivists to go out.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: And get themselves arrested. Run.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: Trump seems to be getting crazy and crazy, yes, And
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: I do think there's a sense in which he's losing
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: his mind.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: That is, I do think he's not completely there.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: Michael Trump is clearly deteriorating mentally, I agree, and physically.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: Will the stress and the public turning on him over
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: Ice force him to step down? No, I don't think
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: he's gonna step down. I think he'll drop dad maybe,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: but he's not going to step down. But no, I
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: don't think the stress is going to force him to
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: step down. It might force him to withdraw ICE from Minneapolis.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if they did that, because, I mean,
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: what's hurts him his popularity, it's it's the polls he
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: doesn't like.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: He doesn't like the Poles Clark. What did you say
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: that Dave Harriman, Atlanta, Peiccof's birthday party? Nothing, zero, zilch, nada.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: All right, we'll take one more question, then we'll go panel,
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: and then we'll do one more round of super chests
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: and we'll call it a day. All right, Nick, how
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: much should you go in disagreeing with someone you find
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: false or dishonest or is dishonest to counter bad information
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: but not get caught up in it? God, I'm not
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: sure I understand. How much should you go in disagreeing
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: with someone you find false or is dishonest? I mean,
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't spend much time on people who are dishonest.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: There's no points.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: I separate myself as quickly as possible for anybody you
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: decide is dishonest. So if that's the question, I'd say,
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: don't go much in at all. Try to figure that
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: out and walk away. To counter bad information, but not
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: get caught up in it. You can let people know
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: that's wrong, here's an alternative, and walk away. You don't
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: have to engage, you don't have to go back and forth.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: All right, let's sell with the end.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 7: Hey you're on. Hey, I didn't think I can join
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 7: your day, So this would just be a quick, a quick,
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 7: fun question. So I know there's a couple of song
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 7: reviews as standing. Do you have any thoughts on when
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 7: you might get to them.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 8: Oh, no, I'm traveling over the next two weeks, so
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 8: it'll be probably mid February at the soonest.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 7: And then just a quick thing on that Carney speech,
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 7: if it's the one I was thinking of. It was
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 7: actually a really interesting speech, just because you can see
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 7: him do in his brain. It's like he wants to
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 7: be anti globalist, but it's like a pro globalist thing.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 6: So there's this.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 7: Weird mix in the speech of disparaging things about globalism
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 7: but maintaining trade.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: And yes, it's.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 7: Really interesting and subtle and odd speech.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: It's yes, it's and he doesn't want to quite name
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: anything right. He wants to give you a sense of
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: what he's saying, but not actually name it right, not
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: actually point to it, because at the end of the day,
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: Connie stands for nothing, right, it's not the Connie stands
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: for anything. And I think that's what comes across is
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: something's changing. It's big, it's important, but I don't know
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: what it is. I don't know where it's going. I
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: don't I don't have a vision for what the end
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: result is. I just know something really big is happening.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: I think that's at the end of the day and
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: has to happen according to him, But.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: He doesn't know.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: He doesn't have a position where we're going, what it
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: should be. He has no positive position.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and that the little guys should stick together.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: Yea, Yeah, we've got a bully and we should stick
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: together in face of the bully.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: But okay, Yeah, I found it interesting because it was
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: more it was more explicit than anything else he said
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: or anything else as Canadian leaders in a long time.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: But as you say, still no vision, no alternative, nothing
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Thanks Ian, Jennifer, I'm done for today. Thank you,
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: Thanks Jennifer. Andrew. Yeah, you've said that.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 9: It's important to study the Enlightenment in terms of how
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 9: to advance the objectivist objectivism in the culture they're trying
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 9: to get, like, you know, ideas on how that was
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 9: done in the past.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 5: Can you share some observations that you've made in that regard.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, the main thing that you observe when you
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: observe the Enlightenment is the the extent that it was
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: done by a minority. It was done by intellectuals. It
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: was done by intellectuals engaging with one another with ideas
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: and writing, speaking, interacting, discussing, debating, disagreeing, you know, and
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: you know, the intellectuals. It was called the Republic of
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: Letters because they in those days the only means of
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: communication was through letters, and they communicated through letters, and
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: it involved several thousand people and the influence.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: And then of course you had.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: The great geniuses of the error, somebody like Newton and
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: Locke who really have a massive impact. And everybody's writing
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: about Newton and Locke and what they mean and what
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: this and interpreting.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: Them and analyzing them. But it's intellectuals working and influencing
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: and writing and writing and writing and writing and writing
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: and writing and this nothing you just that cannot be replaced.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's any other way to do it.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: And and and challenging the authorities up to a point,
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: right without going to jail. In those days, if you
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: wrote bad things, they put you in jail. So, uh,
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: you know, making sure it can be maybe to be
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: uh an atheist, but not to be too atheistic, and
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: uh uh, or not to be publicly atheist or like
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: or Voltaire hated all religion, but he lived in He
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: lived in Switzerland instead of living in France because in
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: Fancy would have been prosecuted. So uh, pushing ideas and
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: having the courage to push ideas, but also realizing what
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: couldn't be said and what couldn't be done right and
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: and and skirting away from that.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: So that not a end up in jail and how
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: to be silenced forever. Thank you? Yeah, all right, Catherine.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 4: Okay, this is like a question I have or this
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 4: is just a comment. I guess there's a question in there.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 4: But well, two things. One it's strange because I feel
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 4: like Trump and jd. Vance both you know, they don't
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 4: like immigrants, but they're both married to immigrants, which is
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 4: kind of strange to me. Yeah, And the other question
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 4: I have is like, I this is and I'm not
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 4: that educated on this, but Congress, in my opinion, their
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 4: first allegiance should be to the country and to the Constitution,
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 4: and the same with the Supreme Court. But it feels
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 4: like today there that's kind of not the case anymore.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 4: Like I just feel like in my job, like if
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 4: someone was like the CEO of our company became really
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 4: crazy and was asking us to do awful things. I
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 4: would leave and quit. Like it just seems strange that
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 4: like our govern as leaders, I just I don't know
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 4: if they have no backbone, or they have no ideas,
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 4: or they're just big puppets, or they behind closed doors
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 4: like jd Vance's wife is, like, I don't like ice.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 4: But then it's just all very psychologically strange to be.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: See, I don't think Trump and Vans hate immigrants. I
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: really don't think. I think they play to what will,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: what they know will bring the power. They play to
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: the masses. They played the maga. Trump is married immigrants.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: I think to both his wives he had two or three.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: I came from remember, but two of his wives are immigrants.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: He hires immigrants, He's hired illegal immigrants.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: Trump doesn't believe in anything.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: So the only thing he hates that we know is
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: trade because he hates the concept of win win, so
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: he hates He's a zero sum all the way through.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: So he doesn't hate immigrants, but he realizes that immigration
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: is his winning ticket. It's why he won in twenty
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: twenty four, So he plays to that and I think
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: Vance feels the same way. I mean, obviously married an immigrant.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: I don't think he hates immigrants. I don't think he's
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: really racist in that sense, but he knows that's where
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: his audience is and he has to play to that.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: In terms of Congress, yeah, I mean it's Congress has
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: no principles, no idea what the constitution means, and they
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: have no backbone. So they're tribalists. Congress is completely tribalists.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: The Democrats and the Republicans over the last twenty years
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: have become tribes and they've not become ideological movements or
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: movements that believe in anything. They really don't believe in anything.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: And the consequence of that is what is happening right now.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: They're not there to protect the country or the constitution.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: They're there to promote and to defend, primarily defend, not
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: even promote. They tried, and Trump is the tribal lita,
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: and they'll defendive. They also afraid of losing their jobs.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: They've got a very cushy job. Most of these congressmen
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: go into Congress poor and they come up pretty rich.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: It's a pretty it's quite a magic trick and they
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: they're afraid of it. It's a gravy train, and they're
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: afraid of they're afraid.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: Of losing it.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: So and and it gives them power of other people,
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: which they love. So I think it's all of that.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: It's I have no respect for I can't think of
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: a congressman a senator who have any respectful But.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 6: You're on is there really Congress as I mean, obviously
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 6: it's not really Congress as the problem, right, I mean,
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 6: if you had somebody that you would have respect for,
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 6: they wouldn't be in Congress because they wouldn't get elected.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: Well, they could at least try, right, So what's happening,
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: what actually happened in the past under Trump, is that
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: the better people have all quit Congress and not even
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: gone for reelection, not even taking the opportunity to voice
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: their opposition to Trump in front of voters. They've just said,
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: I'll probably lose. I'm just gonna walk away. And that's sad.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: I think that's sad. Like like Paul Ryan. Take somebody
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: like Paul Ryan, who I think represents a better part
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: of the Republican Party. I know everybody hates him, but
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: I actually have some respect for him.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: He could have stayed and fought, and he didn't. He
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: decided just fade away or take.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: The senator is actually dying now of cancer. Ben Sass,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: who I think is one of the better guys. He
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: left the Senate and went to run a university. He said,
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: I don't need this bullshit, and he just left. And
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: what that happens is that leaves it to the worst people,
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: the worst people possible.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 4: I personally like, I'd rather be a trash lady than
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 4: work in Congress or be president.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, And that's that.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: But then what we get is people worse than trash.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: They're not very intelligent.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: They're I'm very smart, then I'm impressive people, and they
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: have no principles.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know I have.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: I used to meet congress and I think ive told
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: this story. I used to meet congressman as sentences when
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: I speak to Congressional staff, and I would go into
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: the offices and spend it a little time with him,
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: and I literally did not meet one that I respected
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: any respectful.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 4: My high school best friend, John Ossoff is my federal senator,
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 4: and he's like not a bad person, he's just not
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 4: like super impressive. But I feel like that's my bar.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 4: It's like he's really not a bad person.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: So it looks like it looks like Governor Weltz is
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: deploying the Minnesota National Guard to Minneapolis, which is going
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: to be interesting because what's their job is the job
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: to to stand up to Ice? Is their job to
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: stand up to demonstrate is what exactly it's going to be.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: You know, there could be a lot more shooting unless
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: the Fed's back down.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: We will see. Yeah, I'm on.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Maybe just coming back to the Carnie thing.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: I to in again, maybe.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 6: Because I just I think the guy's pathetic, but I
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 6: think it's completely just a political movement his part. It's
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 6: smart political move because I look at a lot of
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 6: my Canadian friends and colleagues and everybody, and they're all like,
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 6: oh my god, the best beach ever. It's like, you know, like,
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 6: you know, nobody said it, but I can hear them
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 6: say no. It's like Churchill talking, you know, the invasion
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 6: on the beaches thing, right, and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 6: And I mean the guy's probably just kind of you know,
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 6: insulated himself from being brought down in his government because
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 6: you know, he's got such a thing, So don't. I
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 6: don't think there's a lot of because at the end
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 6: of the day, I'm not seeing the action that Canada
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 6: needs to take coming out of this guy, right, Like,
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 6: you know, we've got to bloated bureaucracy, have bloated regulatory state.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 6: The government has grown like one hundred percent in the
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 6: past ten years of some ridiculous number. He doesn't talk
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 6: anything about that, you know, and all that sort of stuff.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 6: He hasn't cut regulations hardly, so you know, what the hell,
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 6: great great speech, but go to hell.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know they don't work on a lot of
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: that's sadly, don't work on a lot of Canadians.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: That's sadly what's going on in Europe. I think they
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: they all want to do something because they'll see this threat,
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: but they don't have the guts and they don't have
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: the ideas of what exactly.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: To do, and I don't the people behind they take
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: two steps backwards.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they don't have the people behind them to do it,
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 6: Like Canadians will not do what needs to be done
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 6: to stand up to the threat.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, that's sad, sad but true. And Europeans
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: the same way.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the Europeans in the Canadians basically support
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: the status quo, and the static quo.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: Won't cut it.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's run through these questions. Has Trump
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: been the seen the Godfather too too much? And is
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: issuing a keep your enemies closer approached to Putin et cetera.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: Is there any legitacy to that approach and farm policy?
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: Or is it only suitable for mobsters? It's not suitable
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: for mobsters, or for it's not suitable for anybody.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, how does it work? Exactly?
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: In Godfather, everybody dies if I remember right right, everybody
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: by the end of The Godfather three is dead, So
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: you know it doesn't work. Keeping keeping mobsters close, keeping
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: thugs close is a self destructive policy. Now, if you're
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: a gangster, maybe it's the best you can do, But
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: the best survival strategy is not.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: To be a gangster. Maybe it's too late for Trump.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: And am you mentioned that you thought Peacoff was pro Ice.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: Did it happen to come up when you saw him
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: about whether he changed on Ice in the second term. No,
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: I haven't spoken to Peacoff, and I can't remember that
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: I suggested that. But given his views, and immigration. I
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: just extrapolated that he might be pro vice, but I
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: don't I don't know.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: I have no first hand information.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 2: Michael, I are we moving closer to authoritarianism on the
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: Trump than under FDR. FDR did have Japanese and tournament
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: camps and heavily regulated and distorted the economy, while Trump
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: is deregulating bit a bit. Yeah, I mean we didn't
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: have we don't have a war under Trump, so there's
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: no reason for internment camps. The internal camps were very limited,
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: and again it was a war with the people being
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: interned or with it a country where.
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  Speaker 1: These people originated. I do think he's worse, he's closer
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  Speaker 1: because we've already accepted all the violations that FDR made.
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  Speaker 1: All the ways in FDR violated the constitution is now
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  Speaker 1: standard practice.
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  Speaker 2: And now we're moving to the next phase. Now we're
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 2: going in next to the next you know kind of level.
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  Speaker 2: And we've had you know what ninety years since FDR
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  Speaker 2: or sixty years and CFDR to absorb all of FDR's
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  Speaker 2: violations into the system and and now and in some
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: cases making the worse, in some cases a little bit better.
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  Speaker 2: And now we're taking a next step in the direction
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: of authoritarianism.
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  Speaker 1: But standing on the shoulders of FDR if.
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  Speaker 2: You will, right, because because we were not challenging anything
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: that he challenged. All right, Michael, why does Trump support
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: deregulation and not tax cuts? He cut coupate taxes his
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: first term. Do his populist handlers oppose taxes.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: They cut a lot of taxes this term as well.
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  Speaker 2: They cut taxes on tips and Texas security.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: In Texas.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: They have figured out that the best way to do
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  Speaker 2: it is take special interest groups and give them the little.
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  Speaker 1: Tax cuts, and that way by their votes. And that's
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  Speaker 1: how they're doing it.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: So they absolutely favor tax cuts selectively to get the
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: most bang for the buck in terms of voting, but
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: not in terms of the economy or the terms of freedom.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: Rational ip.
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  Speaker 2: Concerning my earlier comment, the administration wrongly listed Belgium as
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: a joining country. Oh, in that sense, they confused that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: The Belgian minister also made a statement, all right, thank
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  Speaker 2: you for clarifying. That was the area. It wasn't the invitation,
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: It was in adjoining Steve O, can you tell us
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: what you think of Grover Cleveland? Was you a good president?
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 2: What was the best thing he did. What was the worst?
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know Global Cleveland really that well. I started
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: reading a biography of his. I need to finish it up.
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  Speaker 2: But from the little I know, he might have been
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: one of the top one of the best presidents in
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: American history, maybe after the Founding generation, the best president
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: in American history. Global Cleveland vetoed almost everything Congress sent him.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: He was anti regulation, anti controls, he was pro bit
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: he was pro freedom in business. He was anti tariffs.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: He's a Democrat and Republicans were the pro tariff party,
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: and he was anti tariffs. He was, but he was
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: pro gold standard. The Democrats were pro depreciating the currency.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: They were pro inflation, and he was anti inflation and
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: his party was poor inflation. He was anti inflation. So
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: he was very good and limiting limited government. Now I'm
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: sure he did some bad things, but nothing comes to
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: the top of my mind, so I'll have to return
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: to that in another time. But everything I know about
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: him puts him up there in the pantheon of one
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: of the best presidents. He should be up there in
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: Mount Rushmore instead of some of the people who are
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: there p guped up doesn't adversarial court system support the principle,
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 2: that is, the prosecution's owners to prove, prove guilt or
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: let go because better to let a criminal go rather
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: than have an innocent be convicted. Yes, but it sacrifices
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 2: the discovery of truth. So I think what Lenin's approach was,
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: or the European approaches by seeking the truth, we either
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 2: find out that he's guilty or if we can't. If
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 2: we can't, it's still you're innocent until proven guilty. But
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 2: now the entire court system is trying to figure out
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: whether he is guilty or not. Again, I'm not a
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 2: legal expert. Sorry, I don't know how that exactly works.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: And to what what are the pitfalls? Maybe what you're
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: saying is the pitfall, and we'd have to think about it,
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: so you need legal scholars to actually walk on it
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 2: and figure out a good, good solution. Why it says,
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 2: are you saying rand would support fighting the law? Well,
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you mean by fighting the law.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: I mean supported disagreeing with the law all the time. Right,
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: she disagreed with most of the laws or many of
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: the laws being passed, and she fought them right verbally,
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: she fought them intellectually. So do I mean, I rand
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  Speaker 2: it would would support a revolution gaining Oh, disobeying Ice, Now,
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know what I would think.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: I think you should disobey Ice. I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: I arnould think.
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  Speaker 2: I hope she would agree with me. She definitely agreed
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: with civil disobedience. She recognized its importance and necessity. She
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: also realized you disobey that if you do civil disobedience,
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: you would have to you don't accept the consequences because
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: it is the law. So in that sense, I you know,
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 2: there's no question in my mind you would oppose Ice.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: And I think I strongly believe she would.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: She would think that civil disobedience in the case of
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 2: Ice was appropriate. But again, I certainly don't speak fine men,
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 2: so I have no idea. Ultimately, she was a genius.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: I am not.
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  Speaker 2: Is there a difference between opening my immigration and open borders,
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what that means.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: I guess open borders is you can come in and
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: out whenever you want, but it doesn't imply you immigrating
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: to the country.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know what else open immigration would that mean.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think they're the same thing free
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: market capital. Could you clarify your point on vetting. I
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 2: get that it can be a sign of authoritarian but
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: isn't it reasonable at some point?
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: Well, here's the point. Having been saying, you make makes
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: which right? Now I'm sympathetic, you know, I'm sympathetic to
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: primarily in the face of what Ice is doing, in
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: the face of everybody opposing immigration. It's making me more radical.
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: I guess, by what right do you vet?
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 2: Like somebody's crossing the border and you stop them and
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 2: say I want to vet you, By what right I
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 2: unless they unless there's reason, some reasonable doubt to stop
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 2: them and to actually demand information from them. They have
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 2: a right to liberty, which means the right to move,
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 2: to right to go, the right to engage.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: So what is it.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: What is it that gives you the right to stop them?
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 2: As an individual, you don't have that right, and so
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know why a state does. We don't stop
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: people moving from one state to another. We don't stop
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 2: people moving from to vet them. We don't stop people
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: moving from town to town to vet them. Now, if
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: there's a war going on, or if there's some real
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 2: threat terrorism or something, you know, maybe some kind of
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 2: some kind of screening makes sense, but it can't be
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: the standing procedure can be the standing procedure. So Wyat says,
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 2: weren't you calling for vetting EU migrants?
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Today who there's a war going on, and not all
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: EU migrants Muslims. I'm for vetting Muslims and for making
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 2: sure they are not Islamists and kicking out.
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: But that's because there's a war going on.
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 2: And if I can't, if I can't separate Islamists, then
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 2: ban all Muslim immigration. I have no problem with that.
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 2: When you declare.
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  Speaker 1: There's a war, you'll you'll notice that every time I.
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: Say restricting migration and Muslims or monitoring all this, I
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 2: also say that we need the clear war. It's essential
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 2: for European and Western defense is to identify, recognize and
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 2: announce who your enemy is. Islamism was the Brotherhood, for example,
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: is an enemy and therefore you need to vet certain
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 2: people to make sure they're not members. And how you
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 2: do that, you know, is you need to figure out.
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: But you know, vetting in times of peace, where there's
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 2: no war and there's no threat, imminent threat, there's just
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 2: no there's no justification and the theory of rights for
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 2: stopping people from crossing line. And that line. All that
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: line represents is on this side of the line, these
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 2: laws apply, and on that side of the line, other
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 2: laws apply.
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 1: It's just an issue of jurisdiction.
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 2: But that jurisdiction also applies between state and state and
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 2: city and city. All right, when it comes to sexual abuse,
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 2: is there more over reporting or under reporting? Whom are
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: you more concerned about? Victims of defendants? I think it's
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 2: under reported. I'm more concerned with victims. I think generally,
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe that's changing in some places, but I
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 2: think generally the tendency has been for women not to
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 2: report uh and for men to get away with it.
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 2: And indeed, you know, and even when it is reported,
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 2: men mostly get away with it. So it's because it's
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 2: very difficult to prove. It's very difficult to prove sexual
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 2: abuse in a court of law. So I think more
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 2: of it happens.
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  Speaker 1: Than we're aware of.
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 2: Roman Ukrainians are freezing any rational solutions. Yeah, you know,
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 2: sell them the weapons to make it possible for them
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 2: to to to destroy the ability of the Russians to
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 2: deploy these weapons against them, make it possible for them
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 2: to bomb the bomb making facilities and the airport, the
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 2: airports where these planes launch and all of that.
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: So on them to the teeth Roland.
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 2: I just finished mister Sunshine, and I'm about to finish
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 2: mister my country any more Korean shows you to recommend? Yes, Uh,
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 2: eat to one class, eat to one class I T
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 2: O E W A N something like that class E
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 2: one class I. Mioslav has it I T A W
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 2: O N class startup is pretty good and and uh,
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 2: mister has been recommended. But it's one class I think
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 2: is the best of those. Well, I haven't seen Doctor Romantic,
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 2: so I don't know. Ian dealt with a difficult customer
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 2: and intrinsically wanted to appease, instinctively wanted to appease happy.
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 2: I can judge accordingly and stand on my conviction.
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 1: Sucks.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 2: Altruism is difficult to disintegrate. Thankful to objectivism? Is it
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 2: is difficult? It's so ingredied Neo.
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: We should listen to Polivar response message to Connie just released.
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: I'll check it out. I'll check it out.
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 2: Ron giant protests taking place in Minneapolis. Good for them, Absolutely,
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: Roman a Chinese soldier was shown controlling two hundred drones
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 2: with the help of AI at the same time yesterday,
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 2: what should we do how to defend against this? We
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 2: need we need anti drone technology like the lasers these
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 2: Raelis have.
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 1: We need our own drone technology.
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 2: And we need to also recognize the fact that China
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 2: is dysfunctional. It's military is dysfunctional, as I said, the
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 2: entire leadership of the military, seventy five percent of it,
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 2: of the very highest schelan of the military.
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 1: It was just arrested.
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 2: So it's not dysfunctional over there. So they have moti
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 2: worry from us than away from them. Roman our immigrants
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 2: hated because of rising vocism. Well, yes, call it vocism,
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 2: call it zenophobia, call it just fear and zero some thinking.
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of it is just zero somethinking.
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 2: Thank you guys, Thanks to all the super chatas, thanks
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  Speaker 2: to our panel. I will see you on Monday, probably
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 2: maybe a show tomorrow. Suddenly if there's an attack on Iran,
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 2: but also other things could happen. I might do a
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 2: show tomorrow, but suddenly I will do a show on Monday.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 1: Two shows.
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  Speaker 2: Oh Ben Interview with Ben Beero at eight pm eight
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  Speaker 2: pm seven pm East Coast Time on Monday, and a
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 2: regular news show at the regular time. See you all
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: on Monday or maybe tomorrow. Bye everybody, by Panel