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SHOCK: 3-year-old tot girl sent to daycare ALONE in LYFT! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Well, I have talked till
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Speaker 1: I'm blue in the face about being careful, not getting
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Speaker 1: in cars with people you don't know, not accepting rides,
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Speaker 1: all about personal safety. I've even written a book on it.
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Speaker 1: Don't be a victim? And what does this mother do?
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Speaker 1: A thirty four year old mother. She puts her little girl,
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Speaker 1: a little tiny girl, into a car with a stranger
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Speaker 1: and sends her off. How does she know whether that
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Speaker 1: lift driver was a registered sex offender closet purv Who
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Speaker 1: knows who he was a kidnapper? How do I know
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Speaker 1: he and his wife didn't always want a little girl?
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Speaker 1: Just like her Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, It never ends,
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Speaker 1: doesn't I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us here at Fox Nation. And Sirius
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Speaker 1: XM one eleven. Well, I guess I know the answer
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Speaker 1: to that, Cheryl McCallum. It does never end, It will
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Speaker 1: not ever end. But you know what, we can take
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Speaker 1: care of this woman. What is her name, Stephanie? Good
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Speaker 1: do take a listen to our friends a crime online.
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Speaker 1: New Hampshire Police get a call that two of Stephanie
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Speaker 1: Gaudu's children had not been picked up from daycare. Childcare
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Speaker 1: workers report they tried to call his thirty four year
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Speaker 1: old mother, but we're unable to reach her. Police beginning
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Speaker 1: and investigation finding out Godhu also has a three month
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Speaker 1: old baby. Officers go to Godhu's home and find her
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Speaker 1: allegedly incoherent and disoriented. Then they uncover that the mom
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Speaker 1: sent her three year old to daycare alone using lift.
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Speaker 1: If there was any confusion that she has sent the
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Speaker 1: eight year old to school alone, no, no, let's be clear.
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Speaker 1: It was the three year old top girl that was
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Speaker 1: sent alone with a man they've never seen before and
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Speaker 1: their lies. They don't know him. From Adam's housecat to
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Speaker 1: who knows where daycare? We hope have you ever heard
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Speaker 1: of such a thing? Every day there's a brand new
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Speaker 1: way to mistreat your child, isn't there. Let me introduce
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Speaker 1: to you an all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 1: it all. First of all, James shell Nutt, twenty seven
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Speaker 1: years Metro major case including swat now lawyer at shell
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Speaker 1: Nutt Law Firm dot com. Renowned clinical psychiatrists and I
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Speaker 1: mean renowned professor behavioral Medicine at Truro College. Doctor Jeff
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Speaker 1: Guardier dot com, author of the Causes of Autism and
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Speaker 1: I think several other books on Amazon. Cheryl McCollum, director
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Speaker 1: of the Cold Case Research Institute and crime scene Expert.
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Speaker 1: Special guests are joining me Daphne Young, National chief Communications
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Speaker 1: officer at one of my favorite organizations, Childhelp dot Org.
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Speaker 1: But first to the lead news anchor W Dbo Ray Kaputo, Ray,
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Speaker 1: it never ends, it never ends. I used to think,
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Speaker 1: Ray Kaputo, as I would sit in court, what's in
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Speaker 1: a while to see Cheryl McCollum wander through as a witness.
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Speaker 1: I would sit in court and I see about one
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Speaker 1: hundred new felons every week from me to figure out
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Speaker 1: do I try them? Do I plead them? Do I
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Speaker 1: cut them loose? Not likely? And I would think, well,
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Speaker 1: I ever see anything new under the sun? Will ever end? Well? Obviously,
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Speaker 1: thank you Stephanie got Do, thirty four year old victim's
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Speaker 1: mother for proving it never will end. What happened? Ray Nan.
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Speaker 1: This is in Manchester, New Hampshire, northern New England, and
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Speaker 1: this is the first Monday in the new year. Wait,
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Speaker 1: an a lot of people wait, wait, you know where
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Speaker 1: I want to start? Where is this Manchester? And New Hampshire.
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Speaker 1: What is that? Is it residential? Is it all high rises?
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Speaker 1: When you say New England, I have these thoughts in
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Speaker 1: like the front of a Christmas card and a little
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Speaker 1: village and snow, maybe a ski slope in the back.
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Speaker 1: What is Manchester, New Hampshire. I wouldn't say that it's
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Speaker 1: that idealistic, but it's the biggest metro area in northern
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Speaker 1: New England. It's not far from Boston. It's like, I
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Speaker 1: wouldn't call it a college time, but there are several colleges.
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Speaker 1: There are a lot of young people and you know,
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Speaker 1: bottom line, it's a nice affordable place to live if
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Speaker 1: you don't mind a little snow and cold in the winter.
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Speaker 1: So when you say you wouldn't call it a collegetown,
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Speaker 1: which colleges isn't there? I know that there's a community college.
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Speaker 1: I think there's a Southern New Hampshire College and there's
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Speaker 1: another one. So there's like three colleges right in that
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Speaker 1: town and not far from Boston, not far from Boston
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Speaker 1: at all. Say when you say Boston, that conjures images
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Speaker 1: from me of the Freedom Trail, the Parker House where
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Speaker 1: JFK proposed to Jackie Parker House, Rolls, Betsy Ross l
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Speaker 1: North Church, all good things, right, So it's hard for
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Speaker 1: me to get my mind around where this is. And
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Speaker 1: also it's very important to me, Ray Kiputo, where the
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Speaker 1: child was picked up. You go ahead, go ahead with
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Speaker 1: your story. Yeah, well it was a Monday after years,
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Speaker 1: so the child just picked up right at their house,
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Speaker 1: right right at their house in a residential area. The
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Speaker 1: daycare is actually not far away. But the problem was
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Speaker 1: is a lift driver, a person who had no known
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Speaker 1: affiliation for that family, a complete stranger if you will,
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Speaker 1: was the one that picked up that child and brought
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Speaker 1: the little girl to dcare on Monday after New Year.
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Speaker 1: I've just learned something about Manchester, New Hampshire. It's small.
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Speaker 1: The entire metro area if you could call it that,
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Speaker 1: as one hundred and nine thousand people. I grew up
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Speaker 1: outside of a city, making Georgia, in an unincorporated area
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Speaker 1: which was all rural and the population was I don't
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Speaker 1: know maybe about that at the time. That's a very
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Speaker 1: small community and that's significant why Cheryl McCollum Nancy has
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Speaker 1: signifted it. Because this club is central to this location,
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Speaker 1: meaning the drugs in the area, the other sex offenders
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Speaker 1: in the area. All of this is going to come
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Speaker 1: into play when this woman this child into a lift
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Speaker 1: with no care and continuing, what's going to happen after
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Speaker 1: that car pool aways a whole You know, to doctor
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Speaker 1: Jeff Gardier, renowned clinical psychologist, professor behavioral medicine, Doctor Jeff,
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Speaker 1: you and I've covered a lot of cases together. We've
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Speaker 1: studied a lot of cases. Have you noticed that people
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Speaker 1: seem to think they have a familiarity with people they
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Speaker 1: don't even know. For instance, the guy, the cashier at
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Speaker 1: the grocery store, the delivery person, the person you see
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Speaker 1: on TV. You think you know them. I think that
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Speaker 1: I actually know certain people that I've watched for a
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Speaker 1: really long time on TV, and then I find out, no,
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Speaker 1: they did something crazy, And it's hard to take in.
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Speaker 1: What I'm getting at is just because you order up
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Speaker 1: a lift on your cell phone, you don't know that
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Speaker 1: person absolutely. And let me tell you that there have
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Speaker 1: been incidents where people have been attacked by some of
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Speaker 1: these private companies that you get on your phone, and
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Speaker 1: they have been very dangerous situations. Even though my understanding
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Speaker 1: is companies like Lift and Uber and others do very
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Speaker 1: strict screening, do training. There are rules that the drivers
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Speaker 1: have to follow, but it's a wild card. You never
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Speaker 1: know who the person is who is unstable. And we
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Speaker 1: also notice the luck of the draw as to who
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Speaker 1: you get as a driver. It's not like you get
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Speaker 1: the same driver every time. So certainly putting a child
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Speaker 1: in a car with an adult and an adult you
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Speaker 1: don't know is very dangerous. And let me wrap that
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Speaker 1: up by saying, I have put my seventeen or eighteen
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Speaker 1: year old in cars with a lift or uber driver,
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Speaker 1: but I made sure that I was also in the
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Speaker 1: car too, because I just don't trust that process. You mean,
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Speaker 1: you ride along with them, or you went to the car,
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Speaker 1: you look at the driver and all that. I rode
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Speaker 1: along in the car with them, And I've also looked
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Speaker 1: at the driver for the eighteen year old, looked at
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Speaker 1: the driver, spoke to the driver, knew who the driver was,
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Speaker 1: and made sure that I tracked the driver all the way.
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Speaker 1: And even then, it's not one hundred percent safe. So
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Speaker 1: doing this with a three year old is absolutely not
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Speaker 1: just dangerous but crazy irresponsible. Time Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we are talking about a three year old little talk
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Speaker 1: girl being put in a lift with a man mommy
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Speaker 1: has never seen in her life much less than three
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Speaker 1: year old to send her to daycare. Just let that
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Speaker 1: sink in for a moment. Speaking lift drivers, take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our new friend Torsten, and experienced driver for
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Speaker 1: both Uber and Lift truly blown away that this lift
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Speaker 1: driver would actually take a little three year old boy
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Speaker 1: to a day care center alone. Right, should have refused
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Speaker 1: this mother in the first place. And shame on the
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Speaker 1: mother for just trying to send a three year old
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Speaker 1: off with some strange lift driver that she doesn't even know. Right,
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Speaker 1: it's not even accompanying her child. Both have to face charges,
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Speaker 1: not just the mother. You know you've got You've got
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Speaker 1: to set standards here. People know what they signed up
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Speaker 1: with for Lift and Uber and that clearly clearly breaks
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Speaker 1: the lot. You know, I have done some research as
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Speaker 1: I found out about this mother putting her child or
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Speaker 1: three year old little girl on a lift driver, research
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Speaker 1: into attacks alleged attacks by lift and Uber drivers. And
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Speaker 1: we use Uber a lot, a lot, But with me,
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Speaker 1: I use Uber. If I have one of the twins
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Speaker 1: who are now thirteen, I'm with them. Like Jeff Gardier
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Speaker 1: just said, deaths attributed to Uber and lyft. Woman dies
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Speaker 1: after being struck by Uber Uber driver North Philadelphia, Florida.
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Speaker 1: Crash victims family files negligent's lawsuit against Seminole County Uber driver.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Uber shoots and kills six people one to
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Speaker 1: two others Uber driver Pedestrians struck by Uber driver. Uber
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Speaker 1: and Uber drivers suited for a negligent after collision kills passenger,
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Speaker 1: wrongful death, blah blah blah, being run, Ober attacked, hit,
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Speaker 1: dragged down the street. I mean, I haven't even gotten
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Speaker 1: past the first paragraph. These are alleged incidents by drivers,
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Speaker 1: and it could be Uber, it could be Lived, it
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Speaker 1: could be any one of the ride for pay drivers.
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Speaker 1: The point is, why would you put your three year
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Speaker 1: old child in the care of someone you've never met before,
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Speaker 1: never laid eyes on them. Straight out to Daphne Young,
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Speaker 1: our special guests joining us the National Chief Communications Officer
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Speaker 1: with Childhelp dot Org, Daphanie. So often we read about
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Speaker 1: babysitters and nanny's from hell that beat, torture, abuse, or
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Speaker 1: kill a child. How is this different? There, you're trusting
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Speaker 1: a babysitter or nanny. Here, you're trusting a man who statistically,
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Speaker 1: males commit more violent acts than women. With your baby girl,
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Speaker 1: who's to say he's not going to drive off with
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Speaker 1: her and never be seen again. Well, this is absolutely horrific,
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Speaker 1: and to put your child in the hands of any
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Speaker 1: string or just defies logic. But I'm going to go
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Speaker 1: at one step further and say the danger was coming
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Speaker 1: from inside the house. And we know that the majority
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Speaker 1: of abuse is by someone the child knows. And looking
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Speaker 1: at this story, looking at these mugshots, doing a little
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Speaker 1: research into this area, you had an entire community, you know,
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Speaker 1: as you were discussing where are they located? I also
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Speaker 1: thought was this a rural farmhouse? And it was a
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Speaker 1: complex with neighbors, and there was a playground across the street,
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Speaker 1: And I thought, how many eyes have been on these children?
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Speaker 1: How many people have seen this disheveled figure walking through
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Speaker 1: the neighborhood or push shoving a child in a lift
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Speaker 1: in an area where in a small town where neighbors talked.
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Speaker 1: And it bothered me to no end that this mother
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Speaker 1: did this act, that this lift driver took the child
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Speaker 1: and apparently didn't just go straight to a police station.
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Speaker 1: But there's so many people that I hope made a
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Speaker 1: call or reported this circumstance because this is not a
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Speaker 1: one off. You do not shove your child in an
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Speaker 1: uber in a urine soaked blanket as a one off. Guys,
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Speaker 1: I want to go to raik computer on this WDBO.
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Speaker 1: How did find out about the woman basically farmer three
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Speaker 1: year old little girl out to a lift driver. Well,
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Speaker 1: this is the scary part. It wasn't the actual act
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Speaker 1: of the lift driver bringing the kids to school. It
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Speaker 1: was like two days later when miss Godu didn't take
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Speaker 1: up her kids from school. She just left him at daycare.
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Speaker 1: So the daycare calls police and Mom's not picking up
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Speaker 1: these two kids, and that's when police go to the
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Speaker 1: house and at that moment learned about the lift driver
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Speaker 1: bringing the other child to school on a Monday. So
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Speaker 1: it wasn't the day that had happened. It was like
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Speaker 1: two days later that police catch window of it. I
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Speaker 1: don't know if mommy would have even known if the
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Speaker 1: baby didn't come home that day at all. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our friends at crime online dot Com. Officers
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Speaker 1: had a major concern. After visiting Stephanie Gordo's home, they
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Speaker 1: found her month old baby strapped to an infant carrier seat.
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Speaker 1: The child was wearing extremely warm clothing and covered with
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Speaker 1: a blanket. What's more, there reports that the carrier was
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Speaker 1: not more than six feet away from a heater. There
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Speaker 1: were concerns that the child could overheat. The child was
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Speaker 1: also found to be soaked in urine. The condition of
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Speaker 1: the infant and the unsupervised right to daycare led police
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Speaker 1: to charge godd The child also found soaked in a urine.
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Speaker 1: James Shellnut twenty seven years Metro major case including Swat
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Speaker 1: now lawyer at Shelnut Law Firm dot com. James, how
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Speaker 1: many times did you go to a crime saying as
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Speaker 1: a cap and look around and just see the children
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Speaker 1: in squalor MENI times you walk into an apartment or
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Speaker 1: walk into the home and it's just unbelievable that people
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Speaker 1: can live like that. And you got these in the
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Speaker 1: victims of these innocent little children who they have no
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Speaker 1: control over it. They're forced to live in this Environment's heartbreaking,
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Speaker 1: you know what, Cheryl McCullum. My grandmother Lucy helped raise me.
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Speaker 1: When my mother would go to work. She lived in
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Speaker 1: a wooden house on old farm with a rusty tin roof.
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Speaker 1: My great grandmother lived in a mobile home, a trailer
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Speaker 1: pulled up on the farm property. And I've never seen
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Speaker 1: floors and tables as clean as they were. And my
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Speaker 1: grandmother's and my Grannie's house. I remember going over to
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Speaker 1: my Grannie's house. A little bitty lady I always wore
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Speaker 1: a white apron with her hair back in a bum.
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Speaker 1: And I would thread needles for her because she still sewed,
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Speaker 1: but she couldn't see to thread the needles, and I
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Speaker 1: would thread twenty or thirty needles and then poke them
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Speaker 1: into a pincushion. It looked like a tomato for her.
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Speaker 1: And God help whoever tracked dirt, left dust anything in
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Speaker 1: either one of those two homes. And my grandmother would
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Speaker 1: even sweep the walkway leading up to her front porch,
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Speaker 1: front porch, as it was an old wooden home with
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Speaker 1: a rusty tin roof. Now, if they could provide that clean,
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Speaker 1: loving home for us, why is this child left soaked
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Speaker 1: in urine, strapped in covered in a blanket. Buy a
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Speaker 1: space heater. You know what it came to my mind, Nancy, Bill,
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Speaker 1: was one night you and I were working as domestic
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Speaker 1: in Thomas Hille. Oh Lord, if we got there the
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Speaker 1: parents were just yelling and screaming at each other still,
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Speaker 1: and each one was trying to tell their side and
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Speaker 1: how the other one had done great harm to them.
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Speaker 1: There was a little fella sitting on the floor playing
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Speaker 1: with a matchbox truck and he just like, you know,
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Speaker 1: making the sounds of a truck, and he just playing.
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Speaker 1: And what struck you and I was how normal this
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Speaker 1: was for him. He wasn't even affected by the police
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Speaker 1: being there, He wasn't affected by his parent jelling and screaming.
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Speaker 1: He was just playing. So again, for this child, maybe
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Speaker 1: this wasn't the first lift they took along. Maybe this
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Speaker 1: wasn't the first time the school had seen somebody they
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Speaker 1: didn't know drop the child off. They may not even
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Speaker 1: know it was a lift driver, you know. Sometimes they
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Speaker 1: just come out and take the child and welcome into school.
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Speaker 1: This might be normal for them because their mother clearly
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Speaker 1: is a drug at it crime stories with Nancy Grace, Guys,
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Speaker 1: we are talking about dodging a bullet. Dodging a bullet. Now,
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Speaker 1: maybe I've seen too much crime, maybe I've been on
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Speaker 1: too many crime scenes, but I know this. When you
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Speaker 1: send your three year old little girl off for this
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Speaker 1: stranger you are courting heartbreak and disaster. But that is
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Speaker 1: what happened. According to police, thirty four year old Stephanie
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Speaker 1: godd sends off her little top to daycare play school
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Speaker 1: with a lift driver she's never seen and cops only
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Speaker 1: find out about this by chance. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: tie our hunt at crime Online. These charges are not
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Speaker 1: the first time time Godhu has been in trouble with
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Speaker 1: the law. In twenty fifteen, an infant was found dead
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Speaker 1: in Stephanie Gadhu, then known as Stephanie Carmelo's apartment. News
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Speaker 1: reports say the woman was found on the bathroom floor,
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Speaker 1: drooling and with dilated pupils. During that investigation, police alleged
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Speaker 1: that Godu often put the baby in the care of
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Speaker 1: her eight year old daughter. She was also accused of
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Speaker 1: putting a blanket over the infant's face on several occasions.
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Speaker 1: WMU R nine reported court documents as stating the eight
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Speaker 1: year old was expected to feed, change, and care for
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Speaker 1: the baby overnight. Godu was never specifically charged with her
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Speaker 1: newborn's twenty fifteen death, but was charged with two counts
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Speaker 1: of endangering the welfare of a child and one count
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Speaker 1: of requist conduct. You know What I don't understand right there,
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Speaker 1: Ray Kiputo w Dbo, is why on that occasion Stephanie
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Speaker 1: Gadou was not charged. It's murder. I know everybody in
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Speaker 1: the study I was shuddering that I said murder. But
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Speaker 1: it's felony murder when you are in the act of
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Speaker 1: a felony, in this case, felony child neglect, and a
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Speaker 1: death occurs, whether you meant the child to die or not.
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Speaker 1: If a death occurs during a felony, that's felony murder.
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Speaker 1: Why does she still have children in the home with her? Well, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: your guess is as good as mine, and the only
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Speaker 1: thing I could speculate is that you know these people
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Speaker 1: who come in and look at the parents and decide
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Speaker 1: whether they're going to take their parent or rights away.
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Speaker 1: That's a big deal and it's a cost of benefit.
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Speaker 1: Is the cost of pulling kids away from their parents?
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Speaker 1: Who got dead baby? Are you actually did he actually say?
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Speaker 1: Did he say the words cost benefit analysis? Did you
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Speaker 1: say that, Ray, computer? Because Jackie does not want to
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Speaker 1: wrap you out a cost analysis with a dead baby?
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Speaker 1: I did, But let me be clear, I think this
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Speaker 1: woman should have never seen another child. She had never
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Speaker 1: seen the life of day, much less another child. There
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Speaker 1: you go again, Daphne Young, National Chief Communications also Childhelp
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Speaker 1: dot Org. I will scream it out in the wilderness
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Speaker 1: yet again. I might as well roll the window down
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Speaker 1: on Third Avenue and yelling out the window. But CPS
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Speaker 1: leaves another child in a home. You've got a mom
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Speaker 1: not picking up her children, not taking them, ignoring them
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Speaker 1: as you described earlier, what neighbors saw, what, and now
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Speaker 1: we find out there is a dead baby in her history. Absolutely, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: You know you're good friends with our founders, Sarah and
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Speaker 1: Yvon who've been doing this work for over sixty years,
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Speaker 1: and one of their great heartbreaks when you talk to
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Speaker 1: them is the system. Time and time again, they said,
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Speaker 1: we can do everything. We can. Bring these children in
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Speaker 1: covered in lice and scabies and dirt, clean them, care
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Speaker 1: for them, give them therapy, nurture them. But if you
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Speaker 1: have kids that keep getting back into the system, keep
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Speaker 1: getting back to those parents, if there's not enough oversight
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Speaker 1: at the law don't change, then we have no legal
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Speaker 1: right to hold them, despite getting every lawyer and every
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Speaker 1: doctor and everybody we can possibly put on the case.
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Speaker 1: And it is heartbreaking. That's why we're so adamant about
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Speaker 1: doing amazing interviews and making sure that they are fail safe.
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Speaker 1: Though when we get that case to a lawyer, they
23:19
Speaker 1: have everything they need to nail them to the wall,
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Speaker 1: because it breaks our heart when a kid comes back
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Speaker 1: through that system time and time again. You just increase
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Speaker 1: the chance for that child to one day show up
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Speaker 1: as a statistic the one in five kids that die
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Speaker 1: every day from abuse. One in five children, You know,
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, I dream of a day when CPS, Child
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Speaker 1: protect With Services Defects Department Family Children Services are hell
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Speaker 1: responsible for leaving children like this in a home. Can
23:54
Speaker 1: you imagine leaving your baby in the care of an
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Speaker 1: eight year old child share? You know. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if you remember this, but I used to tell the
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Speaker 1: children when they were little, turn the lights. No, no, no.
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Speaker 1: It was worse than me just telling them. I would
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Speaker 1: make David, my husband, sneak out and ring the doorbell
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Speaker 1: at eight o'clock and go it's DFACTS Department Family Shoulder Services.
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Speaker 1: They know you're still awake. Do you want mommy arrested
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Speaker 1: for child neglect? Now get in the bed right now
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Speaker 1: and cut the light off. If they see the light on.
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Speaker 1: They don't know you're in the bedroom with the light on.
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Speaker 1: And I remember that, Say, Mommy, do they walk around
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Speaker 1: the house and look? And I'm like, yes, of course
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Speaker 1: they do. And I happened to pull up a picture.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember the child Catcher on What was the movie?
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Speaker 1: Was it Chivy Chivy Bang Bang? Yes? And I happened
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Speaker 1: to insinuate that that was DFAX looking for children that
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Speaker 1: were out on their own. And and last, thank goodness,
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Speaker 1: it lasted a long time. When they were up in
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Speaker 1: the fourth and fifth grade, I'm like, we've got to
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Speaker 1: wash your hair. Fhly, mom. If de facts finds out
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Speaker 1: that I'm sending you to school without your hair washed
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Speaker 1: and shiny, they'll arrest mommy. You put her in jail
25:16
Speaker 1: for child neglect. Oh, how I wish you know. Forget
25:19
Speaker 1: about the hair washing and the staying up late, what
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Speaker 1: about the mistreated children. I mean, how could they not
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Speaker 1: take the children away from this mother? Once they find
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Speaker 1: one dead baby in the home, I think it's going
25:34
Speaker 1: to be a simple search of her left activity. Talking
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Speaker 1: to people at the school, I'm gonna tell again this
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Speaker 1: hit the first time that child took a trip and
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Speaker 1: a lift by the self. Can you imagine, at three
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Speaker 1: years old, find time to put Lucy in a car
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Speaker 1: by herself to go somewhere she would have had a fetch.
25:55
Speaker 1: She would still be talking about that. She would still
25:58
Speaker 1: be talking about that traumaticking experience. And you know another
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Speaker 1: thing that Cheryl mcculluugh mentioned earlier to you, Doctor Jeff Gardier,
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Speaker 1: board certified clinical psychologists joining me out of New York
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Speaker 1: today is the sense I'm normal see. She described as
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Speaker 1: saying that she and I saw early in our careers
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Speaker 1: of a child just sitting there playing with his car
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Speaker 1: while as parents, after we were already on the scene,
26:22
Speaker 1: we're still yelling and screaming. Doctor Gardier. Did you ever
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Speaker 1: see Cops, the show Cops, Yeah, okay, there would be
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Speaker 1: a scene where there'd be a guy sitting on his
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Speaker 1: easy chair drinking a beer, watching TV, and suddenly swat
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Speaker 1: would break in and start running through the house and
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Speaker 1: he would just sit there, still watching TV, drinking his beer.
26:43
Speaker 1: And that always struck me that he didn't think there
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Speaker 1: was anything unusual about that because it was so normal.
26:51
Speaker 1: It was sop standard operating procedure. How many times have
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Speaker 1: these children been abused neglected or mistreated, not fed, not bathed.
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Speaker 1: How many times have this baby been less soaked in
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Speaker 1: urine for hours on ants, strapped in a car seat
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Speaker 1: by a space heater. How many times had they been
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Speaker 1: ignored until it was sp Well, what we're really seeing
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Speaker 1: here is the level of damage that these parents have
27:27
Speaker 1: their pathology in that what we call in psychology egosyntonic,
27:32
Speaker 1: meaning they just go along to get along. They don't
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Speaker 1: see anything is wrong, and so when they are approached
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Speaker 1: by neighbors or by child protective services, they're like, what what, No,
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Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong here, Everything is okay. But that speaks
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Speaker 1: to the pathology where they're not able to recognize that
27:53
Speaker 1: they are involved in child abuse child neglect, and therefore
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Speaker 1: they don't ask for help in some ways. And I
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Speaker 1: know this is going to sound strange, Nancy, but thank
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Speaker 1: god that you called that lift driver, because that sent
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Speaker 1: a clear signal to someone, Hey, something is going on
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Speaker 1: in this house. We need to find out what's happening,
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Speaker 1: because this abuse in the home could have gone on
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Speaker 1: for years and years and years and no one would
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Speaker 1: have known. And I just don't know how the system
28:28
Speaker 1: failed the children in that house. After that first incident
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Speaker 1: where someone was found dead in her home. Time Stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace guys Hey. Thirty four year old mother
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Speaker 1: sends her three year old baby girl with a man
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Speaker 1: she never met, a lift driver to drop off at
29:03
Speaker 1: daycare while mommy what late home in the bottle? Who knows?
29:08
Speaker 1: But it's not the first time cases like this have
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Speaker 1: made headlines. Take a listen to our friends at WWL.
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Speaker 1: New Orleans. A New Orleans bounce artist was arrested in
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Speaker 1: Saint Bernard Parish after she allegedly sent her five year
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Speaker 1: old child alone in a ride sharing service. Rihanna Oliver,
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Speaker 1: a bounce artist known as Game of a Ready, took
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Speaker 1: the driver, told the driver rather to take the child
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Speaker 1: from a home and shall met to a school in
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Speaker 1: New Orleans. The driver told Oliver that he could not
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Speaker 1: give a ride to a child without an adult, but
29:42
Speaker 1: she went back inside the hall. The driver then took
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Speaker 1: the child to the Saint Bernard's Sheriff substation in Araby.
29:48
Speaker 1: Oliver was booked with child desertion. Child desertion. James Shellnutt,
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Speaker 1: twenty seven years met Major kse Swat Now lawyer James
29:57
Speaker 1: Shellnutt explained the desertion charge. Well, you know, you've got
30:01
Speaker 1: several different types of abuse that is legal. You've got
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Speaker 1: active abuse, which is where we commonly think of as
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Speaker 1: someone you know, punching or hitting a child or physically
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Speaker 1: sexually abusing a child. And then you have passive abuse
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Speaker 1: that can be illegal as well, which is failed to
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Speaker 1: provide proper care and adequate supervision for a child. And
30:19
Speaker 1: that's what that would fall in. Uys. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to the host of breakfast Club Power one oh five
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Speaker 1: point one FM, Charlemagne game overready listening. We live in
30:29
Speaker 1: this era where child trafficking is at an all time
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Speaker 1: high in America. Oh, I don't know if it's at
30:34
Speaker 1: an all time high, but I do know one point
30:36
Speaker 1: two million people are trafficking trafficked each year. Okay, why
30:39
Speaker 1: are you making it easy for them? All right, there's
30:41
Speaker 1: nothing a five year old is capable of doing without
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Speaker 1: adult supervision. Not to mention the way my anxiety is
30:46
Speaker 1: set up, the way my PARENTI paranoia works, the way
30:49
Speaker 1: I constantly worry about the safety of all three of
30:52
Speaker 1: my children. I need to know how you, as a parent,
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Speaker 1: felt comfortable putting your five year old in a lift
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Speaker 1: with a total scrange. That's what the driver was. Well, Charloma,
31:02
Speaker 1: ain't those breakfast club power is absolutely right. Yeah it
31:06
Speaker 1: has happened again. Straight back out to Daphne Young, national
31:10
Speaker 1: chief communications officer with one of my favorite organizations, childhelp
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Speaker 1: dot Org. He's right. Tell me about child sex trafficking. Well,
31:21
Speaker 1: the scary thing is your child has a better chance
31:24
Speaker 1: to be trafficked by someone. You know, someone in that household,
31:28
Speaker 1: one of the rotating boyfriends that comes in when somebody's
31:31
Speaker 1: a drug addict. Well wait, wait, wait, there's nobody rotating
31:35
Speaker 1: in this house. Oh, nobody's rotating? What not my house?
31:42
Speaker 1: I make a shot. The front door to you is
31:46
Speaker 1: not Nancy Grace here, But I'm talking about you know,
31:48
Speaker 1: when these child children are at risk. You know, one
31:51
Speaker 1: of the things that you probably model strongly for your
31:53
Speaker 1: kids is parental resilience. They know mommy's story, they know
31:58
Speaker 1: to some degree, they know what you been through, They
32:00
Speaker 1: know your advocacy. So in a sense, you start to
32:03
Speaker 1: imp you impart that strength to them. When a child
32:07
Speaker 1: is with a parent that is falling down, drunk, a
32:10
Speaker 1: drug addict who maybe even considers themselves a victim and
32:14
Speaker 1: maybe of domestic violence, and other elements. These kids are
32:19
Speaker 1: are so unresilient and they start off with all these deficits,
32:24
Speaker 1: and then you have you know, who knows what kind
32:27
Speaker 1: of boyfriends or drug deliveries come around and they look
32:32
Speaker 1: for those vulnerable children. They look for a mother whose
32:35
Speaker 1: hair is disheveled, eyes are bleary, and is falling down drunk,
32:39
Speaker 1: and they know, I've got hours with these kids while
32:42
Speaker 1: she's passed out. So I actually am less afraid of
32:45
Speaker 1: I'm totally afraid of all the strangers that they're you know,
32:48
Speaker 1: where people put their kids in danger like that, But
32:51
Speaker 1: I'm less afraid of that list driver who is doing
32:53
Speaker 1: regular job, especially the one that took that child directly
32:56
Speaker 1: to the Sheriff's office. That one's a hero. And I'm
33:00
Speaker 1: aim more afraid of mom, the boyfriends who she's meeting online,
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Speaker 1: who she's getting drug deliveries from, who she's leading her
33:07
Speaker 1: kids with, an eight year old at home with a
33:10
Speaker 1: little child, and a neighbor knows about it. These are
33:12
Speaker 1: crimes of opportunity that these children are open to, and
33:16
Speaker 1: it breaks my heart. Take a listen again to our
33:19
Speaker 1: friends Charlemagne at breakfast Club Power one or five point
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Speaker 1: one FM. She said she wasn't feeling well and said
33:27
Speaker 1: that she had been told that it was okay to
33:29
Speaker 1: do that. All right. Here's the thing about being a parent.
33:31
Speaker 1: And I can only speak on this because I am
33:33
Speaker 1: indeed a parent. It's not about you, all right. You
33:36
Speaker 1: don't get six days when you're a parent. And VM
33:38
Speaker 1: my line. No, Okay, yesterday I tried to lay around
33:41
Speaker 1: the house all day for my three year old wasn't
33:43
Speaker 1: having it. Okay. My daughter wanted to play Nintendo. I
33:46
Speaker 1: gotta play Nintendo. My daughter wants to play people Pete
33:48
Speaker 1: board game. I gotta play people Pete board game. My
33:50
Speaker 1: daughter wants to play Barbie Dreamhouse. I gotta play Barbie Dreamhouse. Okay.
33:54
Speaker 1: The Marlin story is no matter how tired I was,
33:56
Speaker 1: no matter how I was feeling, what my child wanted
33:58
Speaker 1: to do? Game first game over? Ready, That's what being
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Speaker 1: a parent is all about. Okay, if you didn't feel well,
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Speaker 1: call the lift, get in with your child, make sure
34:08
Speaker 1: your child gets to school, and then have to LI
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Speaker 1: bring you back home. What's so difficult about that? What
34:14
Speaker 1: is so difficult about that? But guess what it happens
34:19
Speaker 1: all the time. Take a listen to Chelsea Edwards News
34:21
Speaker 1: ten killing Texas Uber and Lyft drivers tell us they
34:25
Speaker 1: get regular requests from nearby schools during the day when
34:29
Speaker 1: school lets out. I guarantee you people are telling uber
34:33
Speaker 1: lyft to go pick up their kids. It might be
34:35
Speaker 1: a matter of convenience or lack of options. Some of
34:38
Speaker 1: the drivers may not report it because they want you know,
34:41
Speaker 1: that's their income. He drives for both services and doesn't
34:44
Speaker 1: want to show his face. He says he's even had
34:46
Speaker 1: to call a mom at three in the morning when
34:48
Speaker 1: her thirteen year old requested a ride hern and mother
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Speaker 1: was angry with me because she was going to have
34:54
Speaker 1: to get her clothes on and miss her TV show
34:57
Speaker 1: to come get her daughter. Mattor Raycipudo b DBO. What
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Speaker 1: is the evidence, if any, that this mother had anything
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Speaker 1: to do with drugs or alcohol. Well, I mean, look
35:09
Speaker 1: at her mugshot, Nancy. She looks to shovel. But we
35:12
Speaker 1: have all kinds of reports that she's incoherent, that she
35:16
Speaker 1: just she wasn't acted right. So I mean, I don't
35:19
Speaker 1: have toxology results any forced her to get drug tester
35:23
Speaker 1: get a bruntalizer, but clearly she's on something and my
35:26
Speaker 1: guess would be alcohol and possibly a combination of maybe
35:29
Speaker 1: prescription pills. Well, we can speculate until we're blue in
35:34
Speaker 1: the face, Like I said at the get Go, But
35:36
Speaker 1: we don't know this mother was under the influence of
35:40
Speaker 1: drugs or alcohol at the time. But we do know
35:44
Speaker 1: she had the wherewithal to call lift to pick up
35:48
Speaker 1: her three year old child. Back to Sean mccollin, director
35:53
Speaker 1: of the Coal Case Research Institute and crime scene expert,
35:56
Speaker 1: you know what situations like you. I mean, I've had
36:01
Speaker 1: cases where grandma lets the child play in the front
36:05
Speaker 1: yard and they're grabbed, they're taking they're killed. Cases where
36:11
Speaker 1: let's talk about Adam Walsh. He was a couple of
36:14
Speaker 1: rows over from his mom and a sears and he
36:18
Speaker 1: ended up taken and murdered. Let's look at Cherish. These
36:22
Speaker 1: are off the top of my head, cherished Periwinkle. Her
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Speaker 1: mom is a good Samaritan in a Walmart superstore and
36:32
Speaker 1: they go to the front of the store to get
36:33
Speaker 1: the hamburgers within the store. She's never seen alive again.
36:39
Speaker 1: It's people that you think you have some connection with,
36:43
Speaker 1: but you don't have a connection with the lift driver. No,
36:46
Speaker 1: But I want to be real clear. The lift driver
36:49
Speaker 1: did the right thing. He protected the child. The mama
36:53
Speaker 1: is the one that has failed to child. And I'll
36:55
Speaker 1: tell you something else. We don't even know that she's
36:57
Speaker 1: the one that did the lift driver. It could have
36:59
Speaker 1: been eight year old or'll be eleven year old that
37:02
Speaker 1: did that old mamma's cell phone. Well, you know what
37:04
Speaker 1: you're right about that Both of my children know how
37:07
Speaker 1: to use my phone to get an uber. They know
37:10
Speaker 1: how to do that. Are self sufficient. If they are
37:14
Speaker 1: going to eat, they make it. If they're gonna get
37:16
Speaker 1: to school, they figure out how to do it. Because
37:18
Speaker 1: Mama is m iag and I paid something else. If
37:20
Speaker 1: this was Nancy Grace's case, I know something that would
37:23
Speaker 1: happen in that courtroom. Mama in two fifteen became a
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Speaker 1: nurses assistant, and I know that you would blow that
37:31
Speaker 1: certificate up big as Dallas and let everybody in the
37:34
Speaker 1: courtroom look at it, because everybody in God and country
37:37
Speaker 1: needs to know not only does Mama no better, she's
37:41
Speaker 1: been trained to care for other people. Guys, I'm gonna
37:45
Speaker 1: leave you with something significant. Take us to our cup
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Speaker 1: thirteen from k etv Omaha. It is shocking even seasoned
37:55
Speaker 1: law enforcement officers are stunned the thirteen year old Kansas
37:58
Speaker 1: girl ended up at the ellew home of registered sex
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Speaker 1: offender Nicholas Avery for a young child, a thirteen year
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Speaker 1: old to get into a stranger's vehicle in the middle
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Speaker 1: of the night and be transported for hours into a
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Speaker 1: different state. Bellevue police say thirty four year old Avery
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Speaker 1: met the girl on social media sites and that he
38:20
Speaker 1: ordered and paid for the ride with Lift, a trip
38:24
Speaker 1: that was almost two hundred miles across state lines. You're
38:27
Speaker 1: charged with the felony account. Avery appeared before a Sarpee
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Speaker 1: County judge Monday, charged with first degree sexual assault of
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Speaker 1: a child. The Shawnee County, Kansas Sheriff's office tells me
38:38
Speaker 1: it is investigating the Lift driver. It's unclear what happened
38:42
Speaker 1: between the girl and the driver and why she ended
38:45
Speaker 1: up in Nebraska. Lift and Aber claim they do not
38:49
Speaker 1: sir policy not to allow solo riders under eighteen, But
38:53
Speaker 1: obviously it's happening. Thirteen year old girl delivered on a
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Speaker 1: silver platter to a register sex offender. That's what I'm
39:06
Speaker 1: talking about. We wait as just as unfalls. Nancy Gray's
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Speaker 1: crime story signing off goodbye friend,