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The Bolt Report | 12 February · The Bolt Report

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  Speaker 1: He's the bulk reform.
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  Speaker 2: It tonight the fallout from Monday's violent ant Israel protest.
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  Speaker 2: Now Muslim activists call the Muslims to pray in public
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  Speaker 2: this weekend in a protest against police. Plus Grace Thames
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  Speaker 2: Lie exposed and the Canadian child killer what the woke
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  Speaker 2: media didn't dare say. But let's go to the big
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  Speaker 2: and breaking news from Canberra. The challenges is on Angus
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  Speaker 2: Taylor will at nine am tomorrow challengees In Leed for
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  Speaker 2: the leadership of the Liberal Party that is facing total destruction,
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  Speaker 2: and the number suggest he will win. But the mystery continues.
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  Speaker 2: What difference will Taylor actually make? What changes will he make?
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  Speaker 2: What new direction will he take? Well, last night I
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  Speaker 2: upset some viewers. I said it was shocked by Taylor
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  Speaker 2: not giving us a clue when he quit about any
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  Speaker 2: of that when he announced he was going as Lee's
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  Speaker 2: defense spokesman so that he could then challenge it.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Taylor is a Rhodes scholar, it's.
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  Speaker 2: Been successful in business, and it's been a minister and
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  Speaker 2: a shadow minister as twelve years of politics. But still
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  Speaker 2: we don't know and he wouldn't explain his values, his
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  Speaker 2: new ideas, his new direction. Nothing now, I being told
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  Speaker 2: it was unfair of me to criticize him. He'll do
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  Speaker 2: it in good time. Well, okay, then explained today once again. Well,
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  Speaker 2: we had a number of other Liberal front benches also
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  Speaker 2: quitting Lee's team to free them to also speak against
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  Speaker 2: so and to back Angus Taylor. Eight of them, in fact,
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  Speaker 2: quite a lot, including one man in particular very much
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  Speaker 2: respect Senator James Patterson, rual superstar, who spoke very highly
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  Speaker 2: of Taylor and very dramatically about the need for the
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  Speaker 2: Liberals to.
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  Speaker 1: Change and change a lot or else.
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  Speaker 3: Angus is the smartest policy brain in the shadow cabinet.
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  Speaker 3: He's a man of deep conviction and courage and values.
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  Speaker 3: And most importantly, Angus understands that this is a change
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  Speaker 3: or die moment for the Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 1: But here we go again.
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  Speaker 2: Patterson was then asked if he, I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 2: this big backer of Taylor, this man of courage, conviction
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  Speaker 2: and values, whether he knew what change Taylor would actually
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  Speaker 2: make to stop the Liberal Party dying. And even Patterson
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  Speaker 2: couldn't say what.
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  Speaker 4: Policies will change if the leadership changes.
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  Speaker 3: Look, I'm not Angus's spokesman. It's up to him to
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  Speaker 3: outline his agenda.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, but let me be fair.
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  Speaker 2: Patterson then claim that Taylor out learning that very agenda
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  Speaker 2: to local to his MPs, but alas not yet to you.
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  Speaker 3: He's doing that right now with colleagues and if he's successful,
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  Speaker 3: he will stand up and articulate an agenda. But he's
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  Speaker 3: also made it very clear in the public comments that
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  Speaker 3: he's made so far that he has two priorities. The
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  Speaker 3: first is to restore Australian's standard of living, which have
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  Speaker 3: been absolutely smashed under this government over the last four years.
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  Speaker 3: Australians feel poorer and that's because they are. The second
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  Speaker 3: is to defend the Australian way of life.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, but how we're still looking for all that we know?
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  Speaker 2: How will Taylor to do this? Since what's the difference
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  Speaker 2: he'll make? Well, today we got this video from him
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  Speaker 2: to introduce himself to voters who might still not know
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  Speaker 2: who he is after more than a decade in politics
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  Speaker 2: and much of that in senior positions. But again, to
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  Speaker 2: be really fair, I'm going to play the whole lot
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  Speaker 2: of it and let you decay.
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  Speaker 4: Our country is in trouble. The Labor government has failed
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  Speaker 4: and a Liberal Party has lost its way. I'm running
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  Speaker 4: to be the leader of the Liberal Party because I
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  Speaker 4: believe that Australia is worth fighting for. I believe we
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  Speaker 4: need strong and decisive leadership that gives Australians clarity, courage
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  Speaker 4: and confidence in providing a vision for the future. We
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  Speaker 4: must start by holding this failing Labor government to account
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  Speaker 4: for their total mismanagement of our country and advocate for
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  Speaker 4: solutions to the problems that Australians are facing. I'm dedicated
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  Speaker 4: to serving you, the Australian people, and giving you a
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  Speaker 4: strong alternative that re enlivened the great Australian Dream. I'm
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  Speaker 4: committing myself to the cause of restoring our party so
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  Speaker 4: that it can be the party that Australians expect and deserve,
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  Speaker 4: because we're running out of time and Australia is worth
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  Speaker 4: fighting for.
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  Speaker 2: Now, to the people who said it was too unfair
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  Speaker 2: and Taylor last night and probably going to be telling
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  Speaker 2: me I'm too unfair on him, now, can I ask you,
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  Speaker 2: having seen that, what changes do you think he'd make
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  Speaker 2: to a party that is bigger? Booster says must change
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  Speaker 2: or die now. I'm sure he'll get to it at
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  Speaker 2: some time. Maybe even tomorrow when he wins the leadership.
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  Speaker 2: But don't you at least think it's curious that none
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  Speaker 2: of us know or can say what change Taylor represents.
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  Speaker 1: Now to those critics saying.
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  Speaker 2: Not just critics a nice sky I heard saying it
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  Speaker 2: even on TV that I must have some grudge against
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  Speaker 2: Angus Taylor.
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  Speaker 1: I do not. I like him.
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  Speaker 2: I like that it's a conservative, he's smart, he's nice
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  Speaker 2: as a gentleman. He's pretty smart with the figures. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 2: but I am demanding from the Liberals much much more
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  Speaker 2: than a change of face. Patterson is absolutely right. The
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  Speaker 2: party must change, must, must must. It's never never had
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  Speaker 2: so little pole support than now, when even one nation
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  Speaker 2: gets fifty more backing in the polls one nation. And
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  Speaker 2: what's more, the Liberals must not change, just not only change,
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  Speaker 2: They've got to be seen to change and be seen
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  Speaker 2: to be desperately serious about change. And that is why
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  Speaker 2: I cannot accept anything less. I cannot accept waffle or
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  Speaker 2: Motherhood's statements or the vibe. Now I should, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: listen for you these seven other shadow ministers who've quit
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  Speaker 2: today in supported Taylor and might have even missed some
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  Speaker 2: who knows Senator Claire Chandler, Phil Thompson, Matt O'Sullivan, Michaulia Cash,
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  Speaker 2: James mcgraham and Senator Jonathan Dunnian another guy I respect,
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  Speaker 2: Dante and great guy.
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  Speaker 1: So that's pretty formidable move for change.
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  Speaker 2: And I guess, along with Patterson, they're the Liberals you'd
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  Speaker 2: most expect to be right behind Taylor pushing him to
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  Speaker 2: change the party. And there must be that push Slash immigration,
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  Speaker 2: curb multiculturalism, cut spending, defend free speech, unleash business, cut
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  Speaker 2: green tape and scrap so much of that net zero waste.
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  Speaker 2: Now I hear too many people in the Liberals, from politicians,
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  Speaker 2: the key officials, saying when you talk like that, oh
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  Speaker 2: two right wing, or just don't listen to Sky News
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  Speaker 2: as if we don't talk straight to their base, don't
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  Speaker 2: chase one nation votes.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no.
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  Speaker 2: And I asked them, guys, how well is your own
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  Speaker 2: labor light go with the flow managerialism worked out for
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  Speaker 2: you in Canberra, in New South Wales, the Victoria and
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  Speaker 2: South Australia. So again I say change must come. And
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  Speaker 2: let me go back to Patterson one last time, because
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  Speaker 2: the statistics tell us so very clearly that business as usual,
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  Speaker 2: or just a tweak here and a press release there,
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  Speaker 2: a nice video with stirring music.
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  Speaker 1: Perhaps that's Look, none of that is going to do.
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  Speaker 1: This is the Liberal decline.
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  Speaker 3: Almost five million Australians voted for US, they put their
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  Speaker 3: trust in US. Over the last nine months. According to
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  Speaker 3: the most recent opinion polls, two point one million of
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  Speaker 3: those people have since deserted the coalition. That's more than
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  Speaker 3: two hundred thousand votes a month. It's more than fifty
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  Speaker 3: thousand votes a week. It's more than seven thousand votes
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  Speaker 3: a day. This cannot go on. If it goes on,
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  Speaker 3: there'll be nothing left of the Liberal Party via the
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  Speaker 3: next selection.
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  Speaker 2: I've told James Patterson to his face, you know that's
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  Speaker 2: the man that should one day be Prime Minister. But
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  Speaker 2: he's going to move down to the lower House now.
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  Speaker 2: I do think there is one thing that Angus Taylor
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  Speaker 2: will do, and do fast, and it will help the
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  Speaker 2: Liberals too. Many of the party's best talent is now
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  Speaker 2: on the back bench. Just sent to Dampa jimper Price
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  Speaker 2: Darling of the Liberal branches, she's got to be put
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  Speaker 2: back on the front bench. I suspect she will be
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  Speaker 2: saying with Andrew hasty. Also, a popular man has got
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  Speaker 2: to get a senior job, and I suspect Jane Hume
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  Speaker 2: will also be brought back. But good talkers, they need
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  Speaker 2: something good to talk about. So to Angus Taylor, I
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  Speaker 2: mean tell us your change. You've got to mean your change.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to represent that change. You've got to show
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  Speaker 2: a passion for that change, because what you've shown so
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  Speaker 2: far doesn't cut it. Now, the Abadiza government certainly thinks
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  Speaker 2: that Angus Taylor will win the liberal leadership tomorrow. That's
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  Speaker 2: my steed off on or Taylor all through question time
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  Speaker 2: today and blizzard on social media. I mean playground stuff Taylor.
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  Speaker 2: He's born to rule, you know, Oh, Rhodes scholars, if
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  Speaker 2: that's a terrible thing, you don't have a brain. Oh
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  Speaker 2: he was no good, a shadow treasure, always focused on
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  Speaker 2: the liberal leadership and not the country.
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  Speaker 1: Is absolutely rubbish.
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  Speaker 2: Oh Aly cut medicare and other labour lie and blah
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  Speaker 2: blah blah. Labor is so brilliant a childish insults. It
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  Speaker 2: is brilliant at insults if only were half as good
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  Speaker 2: and actually running our economy. But he was a typical
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  Speaker 2: cheap shot today that Angus Taylor is a man trying
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  Speaker 2: to replace a woman as Liberal leader.
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  Speaker 5: He went to the last election promising both higher taxes
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  Speaker 5: and higher deficits. It was reported that a prominent Liberal
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  Speaker 5: woman said of the member for Hume, he is a
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  Speaker 5: caricature of a liberal male males who have managed to
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  Speaker 5: progressively alienate women from the Liberal Party. It does seem
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  Speaker 5: to me, mister speaker, that any day of the week,
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  Speaker 5: an average bloke in the Liberal Party wins over a woman.
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  Speaker 5: And the only real qualification you need are the ex
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  Speaker 5: y chromosomes.
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  Speaker 2: Ten you bly sick frame by two token women right
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  Speaker 2: behind her, perfect perfect.
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  Speaker 1: That card old identity politics.
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  Speaker 2: Look the Liberals have For the part, he had a
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  Speaker 2: woman as a leader as well as a leader and
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  Speaker 2: deputy leader in the Senate, and what happened. The party
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  Speaker 2: crashed to its lowest ever support since it was founded
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  Speaker 2: in nineteen forty four. So changing leader is not a
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  Speaker 2: sign of misogyny. It's a sign that you're serious about
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  Speaker 2: replacing failure. And if labor really thinks, oh, women should
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  Speaker 2: vote according to a politician's chromosomes, as if women really
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  Speaker 2: are you know, that's how they go. They just say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you're a woman, I'll vote for you, I don't care. Well,
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  Speaker 2: then maybe Labors should be telling voters that back the
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  Speaker 2: woman who now leads the second most popular party in
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  Speaker 2: the country. But let's check how the numbers are falling
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  Speaker 2: for Susan Lee and for Angus Taylor. Which MP's are
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  Speaker 2: siding with which joining me from Canberra sco and News
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  Speaker 2: political reporter Julia Bradley, Julia, thank you for your time.
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  Speaker 2: Who is most likely to win tomorrow?
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  Speaker 1: Well?
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  Speaker 6: Andrew, thank you for are your company tonight on Sky
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  Speaker 6: News and I've been spending a bit of time over
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  Speaker 6: the last few hours doing the numbers and it does
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  Speaker 6: appear as though the numbers are falling away from Susan Lee.
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  Speaker 6: I've also been speaking with some keybackers of Angus Taylor,
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  Speaker 6: her leadership rival, and they put his support at about
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  Speaker 6: thirty At the moment. My list has at least twenty six,
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  Speaker 6: and some of them today have been pretty obvious because
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  Speaker 6: there's a long list of people who have come out
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  Speaker 6: to say they're resigning from the Liberal front bench, and
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  Speaker 6: the latest of those has of course been Dan Tee
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  Speaker 6: in the shadow Energy Minister, but also on that list
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  Speaker 6: in a few a few hours ago was of course
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  Speaker 6: Michayla Cash, Shadow Foreign Affairs Minister too, and those conservative
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  Speaker 6: powerbrokers in Jonathan Dunham and also James Patterson and a
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  Speaker 6: few of those others that you mentioned before in your
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  Speaker 6: opening remarks. We also saw this morning Phil Thompson and
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  Speaker 6: Jess Collins come out to say that they would be
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  Speaker 6: the ones that would move that spill motion intomorrow's party
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  Speaker 6: room meeting. They say that it's time for change. So
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  Speaker 6: many other people we would know would also be on
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  Speaker 6: that list as backing in Angus Taylor too. We heard
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  Speaker 6: even on Chris Kenny's show a little bit earlier, Tony
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  Speaker 6: Passon calling on Susan Lee to resign ahead of all
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  Speaker 6: of this, so it'll be an interesting race to watch tomorrow.
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  Speaker 6: It does appear as though the numbers are falling in
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  Speaker 6: behind Angus Taylor. It's not just that leadership role that
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  Speaker 6: we should be looking at for, but also deputy because
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  Speaker 6: there's going to be quite a lot of people who
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  Speaker 6: will be going for that also. Jane Hume, one of
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  Speaker 6: the key backers of Angus Taylor, has been out and
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  Speaker 6: about calling colleagues trying to do some numbers as well
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  Speaker 6: and sure up her support. Lissa McIntosh we know is
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  Speaker 6: also keen for that role. Tim Wilson too, So all
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  Speaker 6: be revealed Andrew, as we see this part of our
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  Speaker 6: meeting take place nine o'clock tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm pretty sure the deputy leader will be a
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  Speaker 2: woman because Angus Taylor is going to cop a lot
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  Speaker 2: of that gender attack and they need, I think a
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  Speaker 2: woman there by his side. Julia Brandley, thank you so much. Indeed,
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  Speaker 2: twenty six is more than half of fifty one Liberal
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  Speaker 2: MP so I think that if Julie's right, then yes
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  Speaker 2: it is Angus Taylor. Now, the biggest reason that the
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  Speaker 2: Liberals look like changing leaders tomorrow is one nation. Now,
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  Speaker 2: the Liberals would always have struggled against labor on their
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  Speaker 2: current settings and management under their current management, but one
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  Speaker 2: nation has absolutely gutted it. It's stolen two million voters
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  Speaker 2: from the Liberals, devastating the party. And the man that
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  Speaker 2: helped give one nation that extra credibility, that extra is
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  Speaker 2: zipping the poles is its new recruit, of course, former
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  Speaker 2: Deputy Preme Miiter of Bannaby Joyce, who has been for many, many,
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  Speaker 2: many many months our Thursday regular Badaby Joyce, thank you
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  Speaker 2: so much for joining me.
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  Speaker 1: To Angus Taylor.
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  Speaker 2: If it occurs, tell us a bit about the Angus Taylor.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Is this the man you think could actually rescue the
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  Speaker 2: Liberal Party and make it start being more competitive against
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  Speaker 2: one nation.
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  Speaker 7: Look, I think that Angus is a nice guy, a
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  Speaker 7: good Guy's a gentleman. I don't doubt for one second
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  Speaker 7: that he has acumen, that he's got a brain between
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  Speaker 7: his ears. It's going to be up to Angus whether
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  Speaker 7: he can put her on the paddock.
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  Speaker 1: That's always been the issue. It's as they.
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  Speaker 7: Say in boxing, when the ref comes into a fighter,
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  Speaker 7: he says, show us something, otherwise I'm going to call
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  Speaker 7: the fight over. And I think that's the biggest issue.
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  Speaker 7: Angus didn't have a good run in the park against
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  Speaker 7: Jim Chalmers when he should have had him on the
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  Speaker 7: mat in regards to economic debate the last election. And
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  Speaker 7: I think his colleagues will be watching, watching closely.
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  Speaker 1: But I wish I wish them all the best.
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  Speaker 7: I don't wish for bad for him, I wish for
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  Speaker 7: good because we haven't had any coordination in what's been
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  Speaker 7: going on, the government has been getting away with blue murder.
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  Speaker 1: They should be on the mat.
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  Speaker 7: We have record insolvencies of small business and people who
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  Speaker 7: really need this to for Parliament to hold this government
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  Speaker 7: to account, have not had that. And you can see
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  Speaker 7: that also in the polling. People are very angry at
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  Speaker 7: the lack of people being paid a very good way
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  Speaker 7: to do their job to be in opposition have just
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  Speaker 7: been completely and utterly delinquent in it, and the Labor
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  Speaker 7: Party have reveled in basically having clear sailing.
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  Speaker 1: But how do you.
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  Speaker 2: Think you'd change the Liberals to make it more competitive?
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  Speaker 2: You said, you know he hasn't put it on the paddic.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure why that is. I mean, I've noticed
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  Speaker 2: this lost a few internal debates, et cetera, et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes he seems to lack a little confidence. Maybe you'll
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  Speaker 2: get it as a leader, I do not know. But
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  Speaker 2: what do you think he'll actually do for the Liberals
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  Speaker 2: that make their party a little bit more competitive against you?
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  Speaker 7: Sometimes I think all it is is we'll try anything,
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  Speaker 7: and so we'll try change when really it's issues. As
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  Speaker 7: I said, the will the one Nation are getting head
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  Speaker 7: because of clarity, unity, strength, clarity and our message on immigration, clarity,
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  Speaker 7: our message on building coal, fire power, stations again, Clarity
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  Speaker 7: on our message in making sure that we start putting
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  Speaker 7: some ring roads about around the ends, because this is
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  Speaker 7: completely out of control. Clarity in our economic understanding that
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  Speaker 7: if you don't have substantial assets in your balance sheet,
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  Speaker 7: you can't have any hope of meeting your expenses on
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  Speaker 7: your P and L. With the Liberal Party, it's there's
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  Speaker 7: a confusion. They're out of net zero, but they're still
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  Speaker 7: in the Paris Agreement, and that's with a coalition they've been.
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  Speaker 7: They got married, they got divorced, they got married to
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  Speaker 7: each other again, and they got divorced, they got married
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  Speaker 7: to each other again, and then they sort of I
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  Speaker 7: don't know, then one of the parties in the marriage
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  Speaker 7: split off and they bought in a new person for
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  Speaker 7: the marriage. And it just rings of being in a
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  Speaker 7: febrile environment. It's a lack of people have a lack
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  Speaker 7: of confidence. If they are are local accountants, and it
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  Speaker 7: was like that, you'd probably take your business somewhere else,
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  Speaker 7: going to be.
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  Speaker 2: I've positive this as a sort of one nation Liberal battle,
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  Speaker 2: but obviously their main game has to be to get
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  Speaker 2: rid of what I consider an incompetent Labor Party government
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  Speaker 2: that is unloved right the Labor Party. It's thirty percent
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  Speaker 2: in our scone News poll this week, just thirty percent,
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  Speaker 2: even with a you know, a dead horse is the opposition.
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  Speaker 2: It's still can't get the love of more than thirty
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  Speaker 2: percent of voters, so it must go.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm just wondering.
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  Speaker 2: In this same poll, one nation was only two points behind,
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  Speaker 2: only two points behind, twenty eight percent of Labor thirty
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  Speaker 2: What can I mean you seriously a competitor to Labor?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think? Yeah?
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  Speaker 7: I think the Australian people are calling it that it's
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  Speaker 7: their vote or indicator of their vote. It's obviously not
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  Speaker 7: their vote because we haven't an election. It's an indicator
• 19:32
  Speaker 7: of their vote. And it set so mighty task for us,
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: and we have to be responsible and how we rise
• 19:38
  Speaker 7: to that task and we will hold the Labor Party
• 19:41
  Speaker 7: to account. We can see even in issues such as
• 19:47
  Speaker 7: this hidden capacity investment schemes which underpin this ridiculous notion
• 19:51
  Speaker 7: that Chris Bowen, even with all his fancy tis can
• 19:55
  Speaker 7: change the climate.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: It's suffer like that.
• 19:58
  Speaker 7: It's cut through clarity and messag and stuff like that
• 20:01
  Speaker 7: gives one nation. It's boosting polling and immigration of course,
• 20:06
  Speaker 7: calling for the clarity that if you keep bringing the
• 20:10
  Speaker 7: wrong people, you'll keep on getting the same problems. And
• 20:15
  Speaker 7: you know these are the message to the Australian people,
• 20:19
  Speaker 7: may in the past have found abrupt but now find
• 20:22
  Speaker 7: necessary to discuss. And you know, the Labor Party are atrocious.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 20:28
  Speaker 7: They have taken us to record debt, record insolvencies. They
• 20:32
  Speaker 7: have done nothing of any form of inspiration to the
• 20:35
  Speaker 7: national balance sheet. No dams, no freight rail. It's just
• 20:38
  Speaker 7: it's just a it's a nowhere. It's all about how
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: they can spend more of your money, not about how
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: they can earn more money for the nation. And they
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: are unpopular.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, if any.
• 20:49
  Speaker 7: Person tolds you, look, I'm on thirty percent, you'd say
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: you're about to lose your seat.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: That's atrocious.
• 20:54
  Speaker 7: It's just that the coalition worse and what a what
• 20:58
  Speaker 7: a shocking Indie.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: But Barnaby, I have to say.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: You know, as you know a lot of people are saying, well,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: one nation is great for a protest gesture to a poll.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Come election day it will disappear. You've also got lots
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: of parties preferencing against you. You'll struggle to win seats
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: in the lower House. And I think all of that
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: is pretty spot on. What is the key here, as
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: far as I can tell, is your recruitment. Who you
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: get on board to make I mean, your recruitment has
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: been supercharging the one nation vote. You need people and apologies,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: I know you've got accountancy background, but you need people
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: with serious financial clout to at least give that economic
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: background be potentially you know, being able to diagnose the
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: country's finances. Can is that how you see it too,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: That you've got to go and successfully cruit between now
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: and the election to be taken really seriously.
• 22:06
  Speaker 7: Well, most certainly you want candidates that have the capacity
• 22:10
  Speaker 7: to take on respective portfolios for which we hope that
• 22:14
  Speaker 7: they will be responsible for. Andrew, I do believe that
• 22:18
  Speaker 7: a lot of people grow into the job if you
• 22:21
  Speaker 7: look at it actually the credentials. For instance, of Jim Chalmers,
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: he is not an economist, he's a political scientist. And
• 22:28
  Speaker 7: we've seen that in the past that so many people
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: who've been so called the treasurer of the nation have
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: no real degree in economics, or were not accountants, or
• 22:37
  Speaker 7: that's that was not the seed stock.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Of their of their of their of their bearing.
• 22:43
  Speaker 7: It's also important, Andrew, to have around you very competent
• 22:46
  Speaker 7: people in your office, in your staffing. I think a
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: lot of times it's it's a capacity of a politician
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: to take counsel from expert people around them more than
• 22:57
  Speaker 7: than to believe that sort of they're divinely have a
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: divine attribute to be completely across seven hundred billion dollars
• 23:04
  Speaker 7: of spending in the budget. That's probably not going to happen.
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: And any person who's r own accountsy firm would know
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: that you've got to have people in the office who
• 23:13
  Speaker 7: are expert in the areas where you're not. And that's
• 23:16
  Speaker 7: how you present a good product you to your client base.
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: That's and as far as the vote goes, well, that's
• 23:26
  Speaker 7: the role of the people this train. People decide who's
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: going to be the government this round. People will decide
• 23:31
  Speaker 7: in every electorate who they're going to have as their
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: local member. And you know, our job is to make
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: sure we get clarity, yearity, strength, and yes, we have
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: to make sure that we got good candidates and we're
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: doing that. I was in conversations with Pauline as recently
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: as this morning, where we go through the process of
• 23:52
  Speaker 7: finding good candidates that we will need to be standing
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: in seats.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Bus. Thank you so much for your time, Absolute pleasure.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: That's gone news. We'll have role in coverage of tomorrow's
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: leadership battle.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: From eight a m. Set the alarm, don't miss it
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: after the break.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: How the media wouldn't tell you the truth about the
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Canadian gunman who just shot dead children.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: At a Canadian school.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: We've just had two brutal reminders this week that honestly
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: about gender really matters. Over note, we were told astonishing news,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: tragic as well, a woman in Canada had murdered eight people,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: most of them school children. In fact, not detail, a
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: woman with brown hair wearing a dress.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Yes, said our ABC.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: It was confirmed by police the killer was a woman.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: But almost always mass murderer shooters are men. So a
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: female mass murder, of course, would challenge our understanding of
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: such crimes, made me set up, would have made U
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: sit up a woman. But how strange police started talking
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: about a gun person, not gunmn.
• 25:07
  Speaker 7: That includes the deceased gunperson.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: And then it turned out, I mean you could see
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: this coming mile offt the killer who shot himself was
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: a man after all, a man an eighteen year old
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: who'd called himself a woman for six years, and that
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: was enough just to him calling himself a woman for
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Canadian police to repeat what's really a biological falsehood.
• 25:31
  Speaker 8: We identify the suspect as they chose to be identified
• 25:35
  Speaker 8: in public and in social media. I can say that
• 25:37
  Speaker 8: Jesse was born as a biological male who approximately the
• 25:41
  Speaker 8: information that I have, approximately sixty years ago, began to
• 25:44
  Speaker 8: transition to female and identified as female both socially and publicly.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Bizarre.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: But in Australia too, you get that same biological lie,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: and with terrible consequences for one Victorian woman. The Herald
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: sund broke the news that Victoria's ultra work labor government
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: and not just How's the male murderer called Clinton Rintoul
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: in a woman's jail after he had treatment to supposedly
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: and in my opinion, supposedly if that's legal to say,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: supposedly turned them into a woman.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: But big surprise, he then.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Sexually assaulted a female prisoner there, and the government paid
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: that victim compensation. But Victoria's Premier, Justina Allen, also would
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: come clean this week, and some very obvious questions about
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: this scandal.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: How much did the government pay.
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: I'm not in a position to comment on those private matters.
• 26:41
  Speaker 9: Given tax payers to know whether their tax pay money is.
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: Going towards that, I'm not in a position, consistent with
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: practice for any of these matters to comment on those details.
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: Rental undergone general assignment surgery and was that paid for
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: by That is not a matter.
• 26:57
  Speaker 10: That is not a matter that I have information on.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Hey again, look at all the women there. The chromosomes
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: are all there. In the Victorian government, no one can
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: doubt that it's also the worst worst government to anywhere
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: in Australia that you could find, probably anywhere in my
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: lifetime anyway.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Joining me is Rowan Deane.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: That's are in chief of the Spectator Australia, hosts of
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Outsiders every Sunday at nine am and host of his
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: own show and Fridays at seven pm. I don't know
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: how you spared time to be here, Rowan, but thank
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: you so much. The idea that gender is just what
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: you say it is, you know you are you say
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: you are, regardless of what your chromosomes are actually screaming.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: It's not just turning us into liars.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: It's making vulnerable children make dangerous in life. Alternating decisions
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: as well. But we've also now seen it's also dangerous
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: for others.
• 27:51
  Speaker 11: Yeah, Andrew, isn't it fascinating? Tanya Plipasek earlier on your
• 27:55
  Speaker 11: show was very quick to call out X and Y
• 27:57
  Speaker 11: chromosomes for angus Taylor. I bet if she was for
• 28:00
  Speaker 11: the ABC or the Guardian and reporting on the chromosomes
• 28:04
  Speaker 11: of the alleged killer in Canada, she would be less
• 28:07
  Speaker 11: hesitant to be so crystal clear cut on what is
• 28:10
  Speaker 11: a man what is a woman? And this is the
• 28:13
  Speaker 11: great lie at the heart of the left's gender identity scheme,
• 28:18
  Speaker 11: which has been running for a decade or so now.
• 28:21
  Speaker 11: And let's be absolutely clear. If a guy or a
• 28:25
  Speaker 11: girl wants to live their life as a member of
• 28:27
  Speaker 11: the opposite sex, fantastic, go for it. I have friends
• 28:30
  Speaker 11: who've done exactly that and wish them all the best
• 28:33
  Speaker 11: of it, and I will do whatever I can to
• 28:34
  Speaker 11: accommodate their particular preferences in how they're addressed or whatever.
• 28:39
  Speaker 11: But the idea that we must I must accept the
• 28:45
  Speaker 11: identification and change our entire world round to it is
• 28:49
  Speaker 11: just a disgrace. Now, Like you, as soon as it
• 28:52
  Speaker 11: said there was a woman involved, and she'd be in
• 28:55
  Speaker 11: this horrible, horrific murder and killings. I immediately thought, as
• 29:01
  Speaker 11: did many people, that's a first, that's new. And of
• 29:06
  Speaker 11: course it turns out that it was a transgender woman,
• 29:08
  Speaker 11: ie biological male. And yet Andrew, even after that is announced,
• 29:13
  Speaker 11: I flipped through this afternoon, you know, just at random
• 29:16
  Speaker 11: newspaper stories from around the world online, different reporting of
• 29:21
  Speaker 11: the story, and they all almost universally insist on playing
• 29:26
  Speaker 11: this game and saying she was this, and she was that,
• 29:29
  Speaker 11: and her this and her that, and she also killed
• 29:32
  Speaker 11: her so and so and so so, and they play
• 29:34
  Speaker 11: this game and then buried way down at the end
• 29:36
  Speaker 11: of the story, you'll get a little bit about, oh,
• 29:39
  Speaker 11: she transitioned six or seven years ago. And it was
• 29:43
  Speaker 11: Donald Trump who last year, rightly or wrongly, I'm just
• 29:46
  Speaker 11: quoting what Donald Trump suggested. That there is transgender women
• 29:52
  Speaker 11: i e. Biological males who transitioned do pop up in
• 29:57
  Speaker 11: various killings and crimes. That doesn't mean they're more likely
• 30:01
  Speaker 11: to or less likely to. But try and find that out,
• 30:05
  Speaker 11: and you won't be able to find that information out
• 30:08
  Speaker 11: for the simple reason that statistically, for the last decade
• 30:12
  Speaker 11: or so, all most media and most government authorities have
• 30:16
  Speaker 11: gone along with the lie. So the information just simply
• 30:19
  Speaker 11: isn't there, and I think that is irresponsible. And that's
• 30:22
  Speaker 11: where you're correct to say that there is a danger
• 30:25
  Speaker 11: because we rely on the truth. Whether it's a Calithumpian,
• 30:28
  Speaker 11: whether it's someone who who grew up within grown toenails,
• 30:32
  Speaker 11: or whatever it might be that drives them to do X,
• 30:34
  Speaker 11: Y or Z. We deserve to know the statistics, and
• 30:37
  Speaker 11: we deserve to know whether or not there are certain things.
• 30:41
  Speaker 11: One argument, and I'm not saying again whether this is
• 30:43
  Speaker 11: correct or not. I'm just saying that one argument put
• 30:46
  Speaker 11: forward is that in the process of transitioning, there are
• 30:50
  Speaker 11: a lot of drugs involved. There's a lot of and
• 30:53
  Speaker 11: they could have some long term effects. I don't know
• 30:55
  Speaker 11: if they do or they don't, but that is one
• 30:58
  Speaker 11: argument that's put forward. Ultimately, we deserve to know.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Well, I've heard seen one database in America which says
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: I've seen one database in America that says, in fact,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: transgender people are less likely to be mass killers based
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: on four killings, or more less likely in proportion. And
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: on that other I've read a very interesting article. I
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: think both psychologists psychiatrists that in fact, you know that
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: when you don't live in a binary world anymore, your
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: gender is what you say. You are a lot of
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: children with anxious children who don't know what's what, and
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: you know they feel the moorings have gone out of
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: their lives, and that is one of the destabilizing things
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: they have, particularly in this z era now where political violence
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: seems to be making a comeback very quickly. Rowan actually
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: out of time, but I'd like you quickly to tell
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: us talk about the culture wars in Fancy you have
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: the Liberals will fight them.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: If Angus Taylor becomes the leader.
• 32:03
  Speaker 11: Tomorrow, well he has to, Andrew, it's absolutely critical that
• 32:07
  Speaker 11: Angus Taylor comes out very very strongly. If he wants to,
• 32:11
  Speaker 11: he can pinch all one nation's policies because they're the
• 32:14
  Speaker 11: ones who are going gangbusters at the moment. But it's
• 32:16
  Speaker 11: absolutely critical that he opposes the becomes an opposition leader
• 32:20
  Speaker 11: who opposes every single thing that Labor does, every single policy,
• 32:25
  Speaker 11: every angle they take, every policy they put forward, he
• 32:29
  Speaker 11: has to oppose. And rather than holding the government to
• 32:32
  Speaker 11: account and expression I can no longer bear to hear
• 32:35
  Speaker 11: I want Angus Taylor to destroy the labor government on
• 32:39
  Speaker 11: behalf of the Australia so that they're dreadful policies that
• 32:43
  Speaker 11: they are destroying this country with are removed at the
• 32:46
  Speaker 11: next election. That is what he has to do, and
• 32:49
  Speaker 11: he can do.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Target rich environment, absolutely.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: The target rich environment. Indeed, Ron Dean, thank you so much,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: indeed for your time.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: After the break, the panel.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Proved right already, I said last night a strain of
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: the year. Grace Tame screaming for interfada in Australia was
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: not actually the most dangerous thing that we saw at
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: last Monday's anti Israel protest.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Ugly enough, though it.
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: Was from Gadigal to Gaza Globalize, the Intifada won.
• 33:22
  Speaker 11: More time from Gadigol to Gaza Globalife the Angifia.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: By the way, Tame also told the crowd a blatant
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: lie to whip up Histerea with the visit of Israeli
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: President Isaac Herzog, accusing Herzog of advocating genocide of Palestinians,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: a man.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: Who also said, and I quote, there are no innocent
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: civilians in Gaza.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: In fact, Herzog had said the exact opposite.
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: I agree, there are many many innocent tiens.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: That's grace tame for you.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: As I said, more dangerous was that a Muslim preacher
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: in that violent protest, the man who'd founded the Muslim
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Vote as an Islamic political force of the last election,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: defied police instructions to protests to clear the area, defined
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: by suddenly holding prayers and claiming oppression when police cleared
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: them too. Now top Muslim groups are not just demanding
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: now a public apology from police.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: The Australian National.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Mums Council and the Council of Imams of New South
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Wales are also calling a Muslims who publicly pray this
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Saturday Bankstown's Paul Keating Park and going viral on social
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: media is a call for Muslims all over Australia to
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: pray in public, which seems to me to be making
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Islamic prayer a political act against our police are now
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: accused of picking on devout Muslims.
• 34:58
  Speaker 12: We invite Muslims, families and friends to pray in public
• 35:03
  Speaker 12: spaces in their areas all across Australia. This is a
• 35:11
  Speaker 12: response to the violence we witnessed last Monday in Sydney's
• 35:16
  Speaker 12: CBD by New South Wales police forces attacking Muslims praying
• 35:22
  Speaker 12: in public.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Joining me are Christi Vicksweeney has worked for coalition prime
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: ministers and premiers. And Caroline Durasso, commentator and President of
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: the West Australian Liberals. Muslim prayers in public and that
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: seems to me to be a political protest against the police.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Fair enough, we're sign of trouble to mix Islam with
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: politics like that.
• 35:47
  Speaker 10: I think it is a deliberate attempt to conflate the
• 35:51
  Speaker 10: issues of politics and religion, and that is something that
• 35:55
  Speaker 10: we don't do in this country. And I do think
• 35:59
  Speaker 10: there are just to answer by the groups who stood
• 36:03
  Speaker 10: and protested and then prayed in the middle of a
• 36:07
  Speaker 10: riot when they were clearly told to move their protest elsewhere,
• 36:12
  Speaker 10: and then did not do that and decided to enact
• 36:15
  Speaker 10: prayer in the middle of a riot. I think it's
• 36:19
  Speaker 10: deliberate politicization. Of course, we have no issues with people
• 36:23
  Speaker 10: praying in large groups in this country. That's freedom of
• 36:26
  Speaker 10: speech and freedom of religion. However, it does look like
• 36:30
  Speaker 10: a politicized response.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: What do you make of a Caroline, I think I.
• 36:38
  Speaker 9: Think Christie's made the point very eloquently there. I mean
• 36:42
  Speaker 9: This ultimately comes back to if you receive an order
• 36:45
  Speaker 9: from the police, follow the order of the police, that
• 36:49
  Speaker 9: they know they're definitely trying to get quite a heated
• 36:52
  Speaker 9: situation under control. It was already a bit untidy and
• 36:56
  Speaker 9: it had already got a little bit belligerent. So in
• 36:58
  Speaker 9: those sorts of circumstance answers, just follow the instructions that
• 37:03
  Speaker 9: you're given. And, just like many of our other rights
• 37:06
  Speaker 9: to freedom of speech and whatever, freedom to practice your
• 37:10
  Speaker 9: religion is not absolute. You don't just get to click
• 37:13
  Speaker 9: your fingers and all of a sudden you know you're
• 37:15
  Speaker 9: beyond reproach for whatever it is that you're doing. And
• 37:19
  Speaker 9: in that case, the appropriate response was to follow the
• 37:23
  Speaker 9: order of police, not defy them and then claim that
• 37:26
  Speaker 9: there was violence. I think that that there's really quite untidy,
• 37:29
  Speaker 9: and I think most Australians can see through that.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: I think we've seen before a lot of there are
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: a number of Muslims who have insisted that the sharia
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: law Islam comes before the secular law. They don't stand
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: for number, don't stand for magistrates. A lot of Muslims
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: do that kind of thing. I think this is a
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: development that we've really got to look out for back
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: to Canberra politics, though, Christy, what difference to the Liberals
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: will Angus Taylor make?
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Will it make.
• 38:07
  Speaker 10: Any technical difference? However? I think it will make difference
• 38:11
  Speaker 10: in a sense that people are looking for hope and
• 38:15
  Speaker 10: they're looking for change and they're disappointed now that largely
• 38:19
  Speaker 10: I think could have been foreseen. Susan Lee was elected,
• 38:23
  Speaker 10: the leader stood in front of the party room committed
• 38:26
  Speaker 10: to take twelve months to determine policies which everybody agreed upon,
• 38:32
  Speaker 10: and of course momentum has moved on. There's a right
• 38:36
  Speaker 10: faction and a split right faction and then of course
• 38:39
  Speaker 10: a moderate faction, and that momentum has harnessed, and that
• 38:43
  Speaker 10: official position of throwing out policies after a twelve month
• 38:48
  Speaker 10: review has really gone by the wayside and has been
• 38:52
  Speaker 10: favored now over people wanting to capture that momentum and
• 38:56
  Speaker 10: people being really disappointed with the lack of policies. And
• 39:00
  Speaker 10: dare I say there's a great deal of factions in
• 39:03
  Speaker 10: the Liberal Party who are looking for a chess beating
• 39:07
  Speaker 10: candidate to fight for liberal values, whatever they may believe
• 39:12
  Speaker 10: those liberal values are, and that technocratic, cautious approach unfortunately,
• 39:20
  Speaker 10: isn't going to get her by when this current momentum
• 39:25
  Speaker 10: has moved on. Now, we must remember the last Leaderships film.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: I was there.
• 39:30
  Speaker 10: Ye, well they did agree.
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  Speaker 1: You make a good point.
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  Speaker 10: We agreed on it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yes, but the point is here that Susan Lee said,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to take a long time to listen and
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  Speaker 2: blah blah that turned out to be a fake. Doesn't
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  Speaker 2: work I think for her at any rate. Caroline, what
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  Speaker 2: do you what do you think about it?
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  Speaker 10: All?
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  Speaker 2: You've kept your You've held your tongue because of your
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: position in the Liberal Party for a long time.
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  Speaker 1: Bout Susan Lee. Is it loose now?
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  Speaker 9: No, it's not those the again, this is a matter
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  Speaker 9: for the party room and that I'll deal with that
• 40:04
  Speaker 9: at the moment. And I think, you know, I can
• 40:06
  Speaker 9: understand the position as you know Christie's just described, But
• 40:11
  Speaker 9: I think the political landscape has changed significantly since then.
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  Speaker 9: And I think it's one thing making a decision with
• 40:19
  Speaker 9: certain things that you have in mind at a certain time,
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  Speaker 9: and perhaps at that period of time, yes, everyone agreed
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  Speaker 9: on it, and perhaps that was the right decision. We
• 40:27
  Speaker 9: have seen significant movement. We have seen very quick movement
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  Speaker 9: and obviously, you know, the one Nation obviously doing very
• 40:35
  Speaker 9: well in the polls and this slipping away. So look,
• 40:38
  Speaker 9: I understand the concern, the broad concern that there needs
• 40:43
  Speaker 9: to be a quarterization of what is frankly hemorrhaging. But
• 40:47
  Speaker 9: the simple fact of the matter is I also don't
• 40:50
  Speaker 9: think that chest beating solves the issue. I think that
• 40:53
  Speaker 9: there's somewhere in the middle, Andrew and what needs to
• 40:56
  Speaker 9: be done is the work, and the work is always slow,
• 41:00
  Speaker 9: it is time consuming, and he's unclamorous because if the
• 41:04
  Speaker 9: Liberal Party wants her credibility back, they're going to have
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  Speaker 9: to earn it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Look, maybe not chest beating as the word, but certainly
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  Speaker 2: loud and proud would be. I mean a lot of
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Liberals will be cheering for that. Christop McSweeney, Caroline to Russo,
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  Speaker 2: thank you very much to you both. After the break,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Grace Thames big lie as she reaped up.
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  Speaker 1: A crowd to call for interparty here. Now, what we're seeing.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Here in Australia, you know, the rise of One Nation
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: actually seems to be much like we're seeing him in
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: the other countries, with of course, often the decline of
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: traditional conservative parties or at least the politicians within them.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: In Britain, you've.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Got the Anti Immigration Reform Party of Niger farage way
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: ahead of both Labor and the Conservatives. In the US,
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: there's been the Trump Revolution. It's basically taken over the
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: old Republican Party. Also on mass immigration, there was a
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: key policy for Donald Trump. In Germany, the anti immigration
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: af D party is also sawing the polls. In Italy,
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister Georgia Maloney shee won power promising to crack
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: down and legal immigration. In France, the anti immigration National
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Rally Party has also got more support than ever. I mean,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: something is happening, and it's something the most liberals he
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: still can't or won't or don't dare understand, or maybe
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: they simply rejected.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me from London after another successful tour of Australia
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  Speaker 2: is Brendan O'Neil, author, commentator and chief political writer for
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: the brilliant sput Online. Brendan always fantastic to catch up
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  Speaker 2: with you. What is happening here?
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  Speaker 13: Do you think something extraordinary is happening here? You know,
• 42:43
  Speaker 13: of course typically it sometimes gets written off as racist
• 42:48
  Speaker 13: or xenophobic. You know, the rise of all these immigration
• 42:50
  Speaker 13: skeptical parties, but it's nothing like that. I think we're
• 42:54
  Speaker 13: witnessing the revenge of reason. I think ordinary people are
• 42:58
  Speaker 13: sick and tired of seeing broken border, of seeing unprecedented
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  Speaker 13: numbers of people coming into our countries and often coming
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  Speaker 13: not to work, not to contribute to society, but actually
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  Speaker 13: to be a bit of a drain, both economically and
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  Speaker 13: culturally on our nations. People have been witnessing this now
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  Speaker 13: for the past twenty thirty forty years, and they've had
• 43:17
  Speaker 13: enough of it. And I think, you know, the rise
• 43:19
  Speaker 13: of something like reform in the UK is extraordinary. This
• 43:22
  Speaker 13: is an attempt by ordinary people to restore nationhood, to
• 43:26
  Speaker 13: fix the borders, to claim back the ideals of sovereignty
• 43:30
  Speaker 13: after years and years of globalist mayhem. It really is,
• 43:33
  Speaker 13: I think the most significant political movement of our times,
• 43:36
  Speaker 13: and the impact will have, I think could change the
• 43:39
  Speaker 13: course of history.
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  Speaker 2: It's interesting that it really does focus in immigration in particular,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: like people are feeling the sense of home is threatened.
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  Speaker 2: I think, now, Brennan, you've written a lot on Australian
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: politics as well, and may I say, with great insight,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: what should be the liston of this change for our
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Liberal party or is every you know, every country a
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: little unique the situation is a little difference that happenstance
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  Speaker 2: that it's all happened in so many at the same time,
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  Speaker 2: in so many countries.
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  Speaker 13: Well, you nailed it there, Andrew with your use of
• 44:17
  Speaker 13: the word home, because in the UK Nigel Farag refers
• 44:20
  Speaker 13: to it as the politics of home. This is about
• 44:23
  Speaker 13: giving people in the United Kingdom. And by the way,
• 44:26
  Speaker 13: this is not a racial thing. There are British people
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  Speaker 13: who come from Irish backgrounds like me, and Indian backgrounds
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  Speaker 13: and other backgrounds who want to do this, who want
• 44:34
  Speaker 13: a new politics of home, of cultural security, of feeling
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  Speaker 13: like you belong to the nation and that the nation
• 44:39
  Speaker 13: belongs to you. And I would suggest that the Liberals
• 44:42
  Speaker 13: take this on board and they recognize that you can't
• 44:45
  Speaker 13: just have open borders anymore. Sometimes you can't just have
• 44:48
  Speaker 13: completely free market policies. You have to listen to what
• 44:52
  Speaker 13: ordinary people want. You have to sometimes make compromises. And
• 44:55
  Speaker 13: Farag is kind of weaving an interesting path between both
• 44:59
  Speaker 13: the thatch right pol of neoliberalism and also the overbearing
• 45:03
  Speaker 13: statism of the Labor Party. He's trying to find a
• 45:06
  Speaker 13: new way between those two things that gives people cultural
• 45:09
  Speaker 13: security and economic security. That's what the Liberals need to
• 45:13
  Speaker 13: start pursuing as well.
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  Speaker 1: The Liberals should.
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  Speaker 13: Look at the Conservative Party in the UK. We've got
• 45:17
  Speaker 13: a good leader of the Conservative Party at the moment,
• 45:20
  Speaker 13: Kemmy Baidenock. She's a good leader, a good speaker, she's
• 45:22
  Speaker 13: got good ideas. But the Conservative Party is a busted flush.
• 45:26
  Speaker 13: It is on its way to historical decline and insignificance.
• 45:30
  Speaker 13: And if the Liberals don't want to go down that
• 45:32
  Speaker 13: same road, they really need to start bucking up their ideas.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: I think, well, one of the things that's killing the
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Conservative of course their past record is be you really
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: against them because they promise a lot of things that
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: they didn't deliver it, and they promise them again now
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: you know, fingers crossed, we really mean it. I think
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: the Liberals here are a little bit in that same
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: position on things like well immigration and zero. Meanwhile, something's
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: shocking in Britain Brendan. I mean another example that's insane
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: persecution of Jews that we see here, that you see
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: there in Brighton. You've now got anti Israeli activists going
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: door to door to check the people inside a Zionists
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: or anti Zionists. It's unbelievable. Are they pushing a boycott
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: of Israel here?
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  Speaker 1: They are?
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  Speaker 14: You're anti Zionist, yeah, because the the Zionist ideology is
• 46:26
  Speaker 14: and a part of ideology in our view.
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: But can you understand why people would be uncomfortable if
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: they dispute that view of you going door to door?
• 46:34
  Speaker 14: I mean people might feel uncomfortable, I suppose, but it's
• 46:37
  Speaker 14: only it's only a one on one conversation. We're not
• 46:41
  Speaker 14: We're very polite on the door.
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: If someone who's Jewish opens the door, that's going to
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: be uncomfortable.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: For them, isn't it.
• 46:47
  Speaker 14: Oh, we don't think so. It's no different from the
• 46:50
  Speaker 14: actions of a political party like the Conservative Party or
• 46:53
  Speaker 14: the Lay Party.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: No differentm Brendan to someone from a you know, labor
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: party saying I'd like you vote.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, what a croc that is? You know.
• 47:06
  Speaker 13: Part of me wishes that someone like that would knock
• 47:08
  Speaker 13: on my door so I could give them a piece
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  Speaker 13: of my mind, and I look.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: Forward to that exchange.
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  Speaker 13: But you know, I'm sick and tired of tiptoeing around
• 47:16
  Speaker 13: this Anti Zionism is anti Semitism. There is no question
• 47:19
  Speaker 13: of that in my mind. Because if you spend your
• 47:21
  Speaker 13: every waking hour dreaming of the destruction of the world's
• 47:25
  Speaker 13: only Jewish nation, going onto the streets of Sydney or
• 47:28
  Speaker 13: London and saying we need an into Fada, which means
• 47:31
  Speaker 13: violence against that Jewish nation, and your whole personality is
• 47:35
  Speaker 13: defined by your opposition to the idea of having a
• 47:38
  Speaker 13: Jewish homeland, then I'm sorry to say you clearly have
• 47:41
  Speaker 13: a problem with Jews, and anti Zionism to me just
• 47:44
  Speaker 13: seems like a pseudo resp respectable version of the kind
• 47:48
  Speaker 13: of hatred for Jews that we've seen for such a
• 47:50
  Speaker 13: long time in our societies. And the protests that you
• 47:53
  Speaker 13: guys had in Sydney during Herzog's visit were just so
• 47:57
  Speaker 13: shocking to me. You know, there was Herzog comforting a
• 48:01
  Speaker 13: widow at Bondi, comforting the people who survived that atrocity,
• 48:05
  Speaker 13: and people on the streets of Sydney were calling for
• 48:07
  Speaker 13: more into Fada, more violence against Jews. Perhaps fifteen dead
• 48:11
  Speaker 13: people weren't enough for them. They want more of it.
• 48:14
  Speaker 13: I think everyone can now see that what dresses itself
• 48:17
  Speaker 13: up as anti Zionism looks like an old fashioned hatred
• 48:20
  Speaker 13: come back to life, and that's deeply concerning.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, Brennan and Neil, always great to talk to you.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much indeed for your time. That's it
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: from me. Coming up next, Sherry Markson.
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  Speaker 1: Good night,