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Sharri | 13 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News this is Sharry Good Evening. Well,
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Speaker 1: no one is going to fall for Fatima Payments act.
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Speaker 1: She's claiming there that there's no place in our society
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Speaker 1: for division when she is creating division. She voted in
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Speaker 1: the Senate today to sanction Israel for daring to respond
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Speaker 1: to the Hamas terror attacks. She claims there's no place
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Speaker 1: for hatred, yet she continues to utter a hateful and
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Speaker 1: anti Semitic phrase that calls for the destruction of the
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Speaker 1: Jewish homeland. She talks about being wholesome as a nation,
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Speaker 1: but what we've seen from so many pro Palestinian activists
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Speaker 1: is firebombing, anti semitism, of violence, and hate speech. None
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Speaker 1: of that is wholesome. Well, I'd like to know if
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Speaker 1: Fatima payment or anyone else on that program condemns the
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Speaker 1: violent attacks on politicians' offices, labor politicians. That's far from wholesome.
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Speaker 1: Fatimah Payman and the Greens condemn Israel constantly, as we
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Speaker 1: just heard, but how often do they speak passionately about
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Speaker 1: the hostages, including babies and children, still held by terrorists
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Speaker 1: in Gaza. None of them would dare to admit that
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Speaker 1: Israel's war against himas would stop immediately if the terrorist
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Speaker 1: group simply surrendered and returned the hostages. Instead of having
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Speaker 1: a whole Muslim political movement putting pressure on Labor to
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Speaker 1: do more on Israel, why don't these Islamic leaders instead
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Speaker 1: pressure hermus directly to return hostages and stop their violent
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Speaker 1: barbaric regime. Let's only cause bloodshed and loss of life
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Speaker 1: for both Palestinians and Israelis. Now, I've got to say
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Speaker 1: I disagree with almost every word that was uttered in
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Speaker 1: that program. Apart from three sensible voices James Patterson, David
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Speaker 1: Adler and Jamal Riffi.
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Speaker 2: They have little understanding about the ramification of what they
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Speaker 2: are doing, not in southwestern Sydney, but across the nation.
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Speaker 2: It's very divisive in my opinion and in the opinion
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Speaker 2: of the majority of people that I consulted with.
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Speaker 3: They've sought to weaponize a foreign conflict for domestic political
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Speaker 3: advantage irresponsibly. They've whipped up a lot of anger in
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Speaker 3: the community and directed it towards the electorate offices of
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Speaker 3: Labor MPs in a way that's deeply dangerous and unprincipled.
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Speaker 1: And James Patterson will be on my show later tonight.
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Speaker 1: We've seen anger at what's happening in Gaza. Well that
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Speaker 1: anger should be directed at Hermas, yet it's been directed
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Speaker 1: at Jewish Australians and labor politicians. We are all Australians first,
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Speaker 1: and the biggest social problem that Australia faces right now
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Speaker 1: is lawlessness, violence, anti Semitism and aggression on our streets.
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Speaker 1: Islamic extremism is the top terror threat. That's the problem
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Speaker 1: we face, not what's unfolding in Israel and Gaza. Now,
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Speaker 1: let's have a look at the economy now, and we
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Speaker 1: are seeing what is quite an historic conflict between the
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Speaker 1: RBA and the Albenese government play out on a daily basis.
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Speaker 1: The RBA seeks to take money out of the economy
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Speaker 1: through rate rises, while the government insists on injecting money
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Speaker 1: back into the economy through big spending. Albanesi's latest pay
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Speaker 1: rise of fifteen percent for childcare workers came just two
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Speaker 1: days after the RBA specifically said the government in spending
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Speaker 1: was keeping inflation high and that more rate rises may
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Speaker 1: be necessary. Well, we might have to pay even higher
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Speaker 1: interest rates just so the Prime Minister can have an
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Speaker 1: announceable so to speak, and positive pr A massive fifteen
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Speaker 1: percent pay rises for childcare workers could now be replicated
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Speaker 1: in other sectors, with more unions pushing hard for similar
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Speaker 1: sized pay rises. As The Australian reported today, we're in
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Speaker 1: an inflation crisis and the Albanezer government is working against
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Speaker 1: the RBA. It's a potent political line of attack for
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Speaker 1: the opposition. Today, yet again, Peter Dutton hounded the Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister over his broken promise on the cost of living.
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Speaker 4: Before the election, the now Prime Minister promised to cut
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Speaker 4: electricity bills by two hundred and seventy five dollars, provide
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Speaker 4: cheaper mortgages and to ensure families will be better off
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Speaker 4: on the cost of living. Instead of reducing costs for
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Speaker 4: working families, he is delivered twelve mortgage rate increases, a
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Speaker 4: twenty two percent increase in electricity prices, and food and
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Speaker 4: groceries have jumped by over eleven percent. Why does this
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Speaker 4: tricky prime minister repeatedly promise one thing and do another.
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Speaker 5: After three filed budgets, labor has added over three hundred
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Speaker 5: and fifteen billion dollars is spending.
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Speaker 4: That's over thirty thousand dollars per household.
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Speaker 5: This Prime minister promised to reduce the cost of living,
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Speaker 5: but the RBA says his decisions.
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Speaker 6: Are pushing up the cost of living.
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Speaker 5: Why does this tricky Prime minister repeatedly promise one thing
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Speaker 5: and then do another.
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Speaker 1: Well, given the RBA statements are in black and white.
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Speaker 1: The government spending and it's both state and federal government
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Speaker 1: spending is keeping inflation high, there's really not much room
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Speaker 1: for Albinezi to move. So he paints Peter Dutton as
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Speaker 1: heartless for refusing to commit to the fifteen percent pay rise,
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Speaker 1: when really it's the PM who's heartless because his spending
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Speaker 1: is keeping inflation higher for longer and risking even more
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Speaker 1: rate rises. Albinze's predecessor as labor leader, Bill Shotten, may
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Speaker 1: have made things worse for the government. On Q and
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Speaker 1: A last night shoton eloquently highlighted all the areas where
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Speaker 1: labor was contributing to inflation. You also helpfully added that
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Speaker 1: some of it is home grown.
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Speaker 7: Have a look, it is not all the governments fault
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Speaker 7: about inflation the things they're criticizing. Yes, we have increased
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Speaker 7: the age pension by one hundred and twenty bucks a
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Speaker 7: fortnite in the last two years. Yes, We have increased
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Speaker 7: the Disability Support pension by about one hundred and twenty
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Speaker 7: bucks over the last two years. Yes, we are going
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Speaker 7: to pay early childhood educators a pay rise. Yes we
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Speaker 7: have supported wage rises for millions of people. Yes we
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Speaker 7: have supported two point eight million people under forty five
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Speaker 7: thousand dollars a year getting access to the tax cut
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Speaker 7: which was otherwise reserved for the top end. There is
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Speaker 7: some homegrown inflation. But I just think this argument that
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Speaker 7: somehow the government should just it's spending too much. What
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Speaker 7: I never hear from perhaps either the commentators or the
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Speaker 7: LIB policy is what are you going to cut?
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Speaker 1: Look, here's a very clever politician shot and so that
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Speaker 1: response is actually quite funny and shot and saying it's
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Speaker 1: not all the government's fault and inflation and yes, some
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Speaker 1: of it is homegrown. I mean, he's basically mounting the
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Speaker 1: coalition's argument for them. And by the way, Jane Hume
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Speaker 1: did have a list of ideas about well what the
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Speaker 1: government could cut.
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Speaker 8: Have a look, what about two billion dollars on a
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Speaker 8: suburban rail loop in Victoria, a project that doesn't even
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Speaker 8: have a business case that's stacked up. What about a
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Speaker 8: billion dollars to create solar SunShot solar panels that are
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Speaker 8: never going to be competitive. Half a billion on an
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Speaker 8: American company's an American company's quantum computing project. And if
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Speaker 8: you want to get right down to brass tax bill,
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Speaker 8: how about six hundred and twenty thousand dollars on your
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Speaker 8: speech writer so that you can sound more empathetic or
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Speaker 8: the ice forpins Well.
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Speaker 1: Six hundred and twenty thousand isn't nothing but voter anger
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Speaker 1: at the Prime Minister for working against the Central Bank
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Speaker 1: is now growing. Figures show that thirty five percent of
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Speaker 1: Australians have a mortgage. That's three point three million households
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Speaker 1: going through financial pain, just so ALB and Easy can
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Speaker 1: have some positive pr to try and win votes ahead
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Speaker 1: of the election. The RBA's blunt instrument of raising rates
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Speaker 1: does unfairly shoulder the burden of fighting inflation on mortgage holders.
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Speaker 1: Those three point three million households, they're usually middle income
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Speaker 1: families working nine to five jobs, trying to raise kids.
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Speaker 1: There are fairer ways of bringing down inflation that could
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Speaker 1: work even faster now. There are two cutting edge ideas
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Speaker 1: being discussed at the moment by the country's leading economists,
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Speaker 1: one is to have a variable rate of GST, whether
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Speaker 1: RBA or another independent authority could adjust the rate higher
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Speaker 1: or lower. This would reduce demand. It would affect all
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Speaker 1: Australians equally. But there's another option that economists say would
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Speaker 1: be an elegant solution to calling the economy and fast.
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Speaker 1: It's adjusting the of the superannuation guarantee. In times like
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Speaker 1: wherein now the RBA or again another independent body could
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Speaker 1: lift the super guarantee to say fifteen percent, it reduces
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Speaker 1: disposable income and thus spending. It's fairer than only having
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Speaker 1: mortgage holders fight inflation. And then in other times when
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Speaker 1: the economy is weaker and you need stimulation, the super
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Speaker 1: guarantee could be cut to say five percent, and everyone
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Speaker 1: takes home more money and is able to spend it,
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Speaker 1: stimulating the economy. Unlike with rate rises where you never
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Speaker 1: see the extra money you're paying again, when you're paying
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Speaker 1: more super you do actually get to keep the money
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Speaker 1: for your retirement. The Sydney Morning Herald's economics editor Russ
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Speaker 1: Gittens wrote about these ideas briefly. He said, I'm attracted
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Speaker 1: to the idea of temporary changes to the rate of
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Speaker 1: compulsory superannuation contributions. He said the reliance on interest rates
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Speaker 1: to reduce demand and is hugely unfair, but it's also
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Speaker 1: lacking in effectiveness. All of us have contributed to the
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Speaker 1: excessive demand for goods and services, but only the minority
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Speaker 1: of us with big mortgages have been pressed directly to
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Speaker 1: pull back our spending. And he argues there's a strong
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Speaker 1: case for reform in the macro economy and why should
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Speaker 1: average Australians shoulder the burden of fighting the cost of
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Speaker 1: living crisis while Albanese doesn't take the hint from the
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Speaker 1: RBA to cut spending.
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Speaker 9: All right?
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Speaker 1: Also coming up on the show My Exclusive tonight, the
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Speaker 1: Coalition is demanding that the Albanese government follow Germany's example
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Speaker 1: and deport her mus supporters. That exclusive story coming up.
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump wants an iron Dome for America. He made
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Speaker 1: the remarks in an interview with Elon Musk today that
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Speaker 1: the White House wanted to shut down and Raygun mocked
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Speaker 1: by Jimmy Fallon. While videos of kids doing better than
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Speaker 1: the Australian Olympian go viral, but the only thing worse
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Speaker 1: than Raygun's breakdancing are her academic papers.
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Speaker 5: She's trying to tie it to colonial structures. Everything's about
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Speaker 5: racialized theory.
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Speaker 1: All right, Lots to get through tonight, So let's get
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Speaker 1: straight into it with my panel, Former Speaker of the
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Speaker 1: House Bronwin Bishop Ansky, news host Caleb Bond. Welcome to
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Speaker 1: you both. Look, let's start with Peter Dutton's attack on
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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister over cost of living. Bron went absolutely
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Speaker 1: brutal remarks from the RBA that government spending is contributing
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Speaker 1: to the inflation crisis. It has fueled Peter Dutton's attacks
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Speaker 1: and really the Prime Minister can't argue with it.
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Speaker 10: No, he can't, because the whole point is that monetary
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Speaker 10: and fiscal policy have to be in balance and they're not.
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Speaker 10: You've got the RBA who has only one tool, and
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Speaker 10: that's the razy interestrates, and that not only affects mortgage holders,
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Speaker 10: but it also affects renters because it's passed on through
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Speaker 10: the mortgage over a rental property. So in that context
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Speaker 10: that the Reserve Bank has put up its interst rates,
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Speaker 10: but the Government has not done its bit.
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Speaker 11: I think.
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Speaker 10: Robert got leaves and showed some very good comments from
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Speaker 10: Saul Eastleck saying that over the period from June twenty
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Speaker 10: twenty two to March twenty twenty four that the state
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Speaker 10: and federal expenditure on fixed capital and goods and service
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Speaker 10: rose eleven point nine percent, whereas private consumption rose only
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Speaker 10: three percent. And that says it all the government and
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Speaker 10: most of those through that period of time, most of
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Speaker 10: the state governments are also Labor are just spending now.
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Speaker 10: I think I said right from the beginning when the
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Speaker 10: first of the twelve rating increases that labor has given
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Speaker 10: was that they are pushing wages up, they are pushing
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Speaker 10: costs up, and if you try to have one chase
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Speaker 10: the other, then it's disaster. And that's what you've got.
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Speaker 10: People get more money in their pocket, but you can
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Speaker 10: buy less with it, and so your standard of living drops.
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Speaker 10: And that's what Albinizi is responsible for, plus the snake
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Speaker 10: charmer who likes adjectives and adverbs much better than nouns.
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Speaker 1: I suspect that front page in the Australian today that
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Speaker 1: it looks like unions for other social sectors are going
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Speaker 1: to now start pushing for massive pay rises of fifteen percent. Taylor,
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Speaker 1: what did you make of Bill Shotton's comments last night
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Speaker 1: where he just listed all the areas that the government
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Speaker 1: has pushed up spending in the past couple of years.
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Speaker 12: I mean clearly when he was saying it, he thought
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Speaker 12: they were things that would play well to the audience
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Speaker 12: in the broader public. Look at all the things we've
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Speaker 12: done to alleviate your cost of living doubles. But it's
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Speaker 12: again a case of the federal government trying to have
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Speaker 12: its cake and eat it too, because it understands that
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Speaker 12: it will come in for criticism if it doesn't do
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Speaker 12: so to provide a level of support to people who
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Speaker 12: are struggling with the cost of living. But at the
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Speaker 12: same time, it is that spending that entrenches the issues
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Speaker 12: with cost of living because it entrenches the increases in inflation,
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Speaker 12: or certainly the lack of a reduction in inflation, and
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Speaker 12: the concept of having another model to deal with inflation
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Speaker 12: apart from interstrates I think has great merit because it
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Speaker 12: is a blunt instrument, and I have criticized the RBA
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Speaker 12: heavily before, but we do have to recognize that the
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Speaker 12: only thing the RBA has available to it is to
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Speaker 12: increase or cut interest rates. That's the only thing it has,
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Speaker 12: and if the government won't play ball, and they haven't
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Speaker 12: been playing ball. And the RBA has been very clear
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Speaker 12: that government spending has put pressure on inflation. Then the
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Speaker 12: only thing they can do is increase interest rates. And
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Speaker 12: if you look at who is spending, it's not anyone
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Speaker 12: under the age of fifty five. Pretty much everyone statistically
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Speaker 12: under the age of fifty five has reached use they're spending.
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Speaker 12: People over the age of fifty five have increased their
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Speaker 12: spending because if you've got money in the bank, exactly,
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Speaker 12: the indust rates going up is good for you because
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Speaker 12: you're making more money, which they then go and putting exactly.
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Speaker 1: And so wanted to me today that the cruise industry,
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Speaker 1: for example, is we're going to the right exactly, so.
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Speaker 12: That the poor mortgage holder and the renters who are
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Speaker 12: living in the mortgage homes down here are suffering while
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Speaker 12: everyone else is doing okay and has money in the
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Speaker 12: bank is actually making more money than they did before.
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Speaker 12: I mean, it's a lose lose from the perspective of
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Speaker 12: trying to reduce inflation continuing to increase interest rates, because
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Speaker 12: it doesn't work well.
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Speaker 1: When I first heard the idea about adjusting the superannuation guarantee,
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Speaker 1: I thought it seemed radical, but perhaps as you just outline,
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Speaker 1: it is unfair and the current system does eventually have
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Speaker 1: to change because three point three million people to be
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Speaker 1: under such financial pressure with families, it's not shouldering the burden,
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Speaker 1: and especially when the Albaneze government insists on mass of
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Speaker 1: pay rises a fifteen percent at this time, and if
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Speaker 1: they want to get inflation down faster, they can just stop.
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Speaker 12: I think from the consumption perspective, the GST idea makes
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Speaker 12: sense as well, because of course if you're spending the
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Speaker 12: extra money you've made from interest rates going up, it
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Speaker 12: may will be on things that you have.
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Speaker 10: You can talk about the GST till the cows come home.
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Speaker 10: It's not going to change. It's in trench locked in
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Speaker 10: because all the states haveft aug greet and it's never
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Speaker 10: going to happen, So it's not worth talking about.
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Speaker 1: Other ideas are super guarantee. What do you think about
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Speaker 1: that one?
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Speaker 10: Well, I'd like to think about that. It looked a
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Speaker 10: little bit too tricky for me. I about it, and
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Speaker 10: I just want to see I just remember Simon Crean's
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Speaker 10: father saying when he was part of the Widam government,
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Speaker 10: when the insanity that is going on now looks remarkably
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Speaker 10: like it was then. And his father said, one man's
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Speaker 10: pay increase is another man's job. And that's the situation
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Speaker 10: we're getting to, not in the public sector, but in
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Speaker 10: the sector. It's small family businesses that are going broke.
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Speaker 10: And what we're seeing is is that the middle class
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Speaker 10: is now public sector, public aligned. It's not the small
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Speaker 10: business people, the entrepreneurs who were the backbone of this country,
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Speaker 10: but their percentage of wealth of GDP, if you want
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Speaker 10: to express it in those terms, has dropped. And what
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Speaker 10: we're seeing I don't know. Perhaps it's deliberate by the government,
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Speaker 10: but they are deliberately trying to wipe out the small
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Speaker 10: business sector.
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Speaker 4: Hope.
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Speaker 1: Let's hope not Let's have a look now at Ygun
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Speaker 1: because her antics have now been ridiculed on the international stage.
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Speaker 1: We even saw her mocked on Jimmy Fallon.
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Speaker 11: Have a look.
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Speaker 13: You have to wonder where Raygun is right now?
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Speaker 10: What's that music coming from.
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Speaker 1: How are you feeling since your performance? I'm like, oh no, no,
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Speaker 1: we don't know me what many bands with you?
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Speaker 4: How can do that?
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Speaker 11: I have to ask you because because it's it's all
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Speaker 11: that me and my friends have been talking about last night,
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Speaker 11: after the show and today, and I'm not saying anything.
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Speaker 1: I'm you know, I think it's taken out.
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Speaker 14: I think it's the best thing that's happened in the
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Speaker 14: Olympics the entire time.
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Speaker 11: Did anyone see the break dancing Lady.
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Speaker 1: Brom And it's such a pity that instead of the
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Speaker 1: Australian team being known for our amazing metal tally, this
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Speaker 1: is what we've become known for this embarrassment.
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Speaker 10: Well, I think they know we did very well in
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Speaker 10: the medal tarrying, and that we won many metals that
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Speaker 10: they might have liked to have won as well. But
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Speaker 10: honestly and truly, I think we're all profoundly believed that
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Speaker 10: it will no longer be in the Olympics. It's gone,
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Speaker 10: So it's yesterday's story.
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Speaker 15: What do you think, Kayla, Well, that may well be
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Speaker 15: the silver lining is that she has proven how preposterous
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Speaker 15: the whole idea of breakdancing being a part of the
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Speaker 15: Olympics was.
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Speaker 12: Because if you look into how she actually ended up
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Speaker 12: at the Olympics, the World Sport Dance Federation, whateverything called
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Speaker 12: they wanted ballroom dancing, the IOC wouldn't allow it because
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Speaker 12: they said it was two old fashions, so they put
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Speaker 12: up break dancing, and there's no global breakdancing body anywhere,
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Speaker 12: so they had to come up with an idea for
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Speaker 12: how they would actually get people to qualify, and it
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Speaker 12: eventually came down to a body that was put together
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Speaker 12: in Australia, which was a small group of people who
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Speaker 12: run some sort of breakdancing competition. It's got about fifteen
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Speaker 12: participants in it, of which Raygun was one. So the
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Speaker 12: number of people who actually knew they could even qualify
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Speaker 12: to go to break dancing in the Olympics for Australia
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Speaker 12: was so small. That's how we ended up with this
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Speaker 12: ray Gun woman. And I'm not convinced that the whole
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Speaker 12: thing is not a bit part of ire with the
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Speaker 12: other night of.
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Speaker 1: The just for the subject of one of her papers exactly, she.
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Speaker 12: Is going to turn this into some sort of academic pursuit. Now,
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Speaker 12: the reaction to it, the fact.
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Speaker 1: That about university course.
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Speaker 12: I know why universities, it's it's too good to be true.
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Speaker 12: It's actually too bad to be true, and we're going
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Speaker 12: to pay for it through the public system. So you
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Speaker 12: can write the paper, no doubt, but I reckon that.
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Speaker 10: She's already written the paper, hasn't she She's so then.
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Speaker 1: We're going to have a look at some of those
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Speaker 1: papers a bit later on the show. But my biggest
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Speaker 1: issue is that she stole the thunder of all of
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Speaker 1: those amazing athletes that deserve to be celebrated. Now, last
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Speaker 1: topic before we go, Ban Fordham exposed this morning Bill
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Speaker 1: Shorten yet again featuring on the show tonight, for spending
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Speaker 1: forty thousand dollars tax pay dollars on what Fordham described
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Speaker 1: as a ritzy event for bureaucrats.
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Speaker 14: Have a listened now on the issue of spending money.
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Speaker 14: You would think that Bill Shorten would be really careful
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Speaker 14: at the moment as the Minister for the National Disability
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Speaker 14: Insurance Scheme, which is in all sorts of financial trouble.
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Speaker 14: But Bill has spent forty thousand dollars of taxpayers money
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Speaker 14: on a ritzy event for bureaucrats. The forty grand was
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Speaker 14: spent on a senior executive service leadership forum at Canberra's
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Speaker 14: five star high At Hotel. This was in April.
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Speaker 11: Rumman.
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Speaker 1: On top of the six hundred thousand dollars this speech,
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Speaker 1: this isn't a good look for Porod Shotten Well.
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Speaker 10: Parol Shorten, of course, is the man who is that
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Speaker 10: comes out really on a regular basis and says he's
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Speaker 10: going to solve the problem of the exploding costs of
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Speaker 10: the d NDIS. He talks a lot and delivers nothing.
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Speaker 10: But this was another talka on money doesn't mean anything
21:58
Speaker 10: to him. It just doesn't mean anything. He set up
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Speaker 10: the NDIS. Now he's got forty thousand dollars expenditure trying
22:05
Speaker 10: to talk to the people who are running it, say what,
22:07
Speaker 10: we've got to reduce expenditure. I mean, it's a joke,
22:10
Speaker 10: and so is Bill Shorten, but he does desperately want
22:13
Speaker 10: to be Brandt Minister.
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Speaker 8: He does indeed.
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Speaker 1: All right, Roman Bishop Caleb bon calibacy at ten o'clock,
22:18
Speaker 1: of course, thank you both so much. All right, now
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Speaker 1: to our exclusive tonight, I can reveal the coalition is
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Speaker 1: demanding that the Albanezy government followed Germany's example and deport
22:29
Speaker 1: her Mus supporters from the country. This comes after Asiobus
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Speaker 1: Mike Burgess admitted that Palestinians who expressed rhetorical support for
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Speaker 1: her Mus wouldn't be blocked from coming to our country.
22:42
Speaker 1: He also said that not all visas had gone to
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Speaker 1: ASIO for security checks. This is an unforgivable national security
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Speaker 1: failure that's put Australians at risk. Well, I spoke with
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Speaker 1: Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson just a little while ago.
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Speaker 1: How Many is introducing legislation to debat HAMAS supporters. Do
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Speaker 1: you think Australia should be doing the same.
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Speaker 3: Well, we should absolutely be deporting anyone we can identify
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Speaker 3: as supporting a terrorist organization Shari. But the good news
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Speaker 3: is we don't need legislation to do it. We've already
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Speaker 3: got that legislation. It's been passed by previous parliaments. It
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Speaker 3: includes the character test in the Migration Act that says
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Speaker 3: that people who are a threat to our community can
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Speaker 3: have their visas revoked by the Minister for Home Affairs.
23:27
Speaker 3: And that's an important test for Tony Burke. Will he
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Speaker 3: step up? Will he act? Will he cancel the visas
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Speaker 3: of Hamas supporters as well as stopping any new ones
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Speaker 3: from coming to our country?
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Speaker 15: And it doesn't.
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Speaker 1: Seem like that's happening at the moment, does it. I
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Speaker 1: mean the comments we heard from the AZIO Director General
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Speaker 1: Mike Burgis on the weekend seem to be that the
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Speaker 1: government's policy is that it might be fine for some
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Speaker 1: Hamas supporters to come to Australia on these temporary visas.
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Speaker 3: I'm deeply concerned Shari by the of the government to
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Speaker 3: clarify in the last couple of days whether or not
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Speaker 3: they are willing to bring Hamas supporters into Australia if
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Speaker 3: they are only rhetorical or political supporters of Hamas. This
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Speaker 3: is a question of government policy. This is a question
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Speaker 3: of migration policy. Tony Burke is responsible for that. If
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Speaker 3: he disagrees that Hamas supporters should not be able to
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Speaker 3: be brought into our country, he should say so. If
24:21
Speaker 3: he agrees that we should stop the mass supporters coming
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Speaker 3: into our country, he should tell the public what he's
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Speaker 3: doing to make sure that happens. But from so far
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Speaker 3: we've had nothing but silence from the Minister of Home
24:31
Speaker 3: Affairs and it's not good enough.
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Speaker 1: Now you and Julian Lisa and other politicians have actually
24:37
Speaker 1: organized a petition to go to Tony Burke on this
24:40
Speaker 1: very topic. Can you tell us what you're calling for?
24:45
Speaker 12: Look, this is a.
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Speaker 3: Great initiative by my colleague Julian Lisa, and in just
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Speaker 3: the first twenty four hours. More than seventy politicians have
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Speaker 3: signed this letter to the Minister of Home Affairs asking
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Speaker 3: him to be upfront and be straight with the Australian people.
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Speaker 3: Is it this government's policy that political supporters of hamas
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Speaker 3: are welcome in this country? And if so why? And secondly,
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Speaker 3: what is he going to do about existing supporters of
25:08
Speaker 3: hamas and the community who are here on visas? Will
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Speaker 3: he cancel those visas and will he send them home
25:12
Speaker 3: as the German government has promised to do.
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Speaker 1: We big political news today that there's a Muslim candidate
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Speaker 1: running against Tony Burke in his seat of Watson. Do
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Speaker 1: you think his position is now under threat? And do
25:25
Speaker 1: you think his personal fight to hold onto his own
25:28
Speaker 1: seat is influencing Australia's foreign policy and national security.
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Speaker 3: Look, this appears to be a very serious independent challenge
25:38
Speaker 3: against Tony Burke. It's something that's been organized well in
25:40
Speaker 3: advance of the next election, with a candidate whose credentials
25:43
Speaker 3: seem on paper to be impressive, and I think it
25:46
Speaker 3: will be a very serious political threat to Tony Burke.
25:48
Speaker 3: The problem is that Tony Burke is now going to
25:50
Speaker 3: be forced to choose between his political interest and the
25:53
Speaker 3: national interest. If he wants to appease communities in his seat,
25:56
Speaker 3: he might make one decision. If he wants to protect Australians,
25:59
Speaker 3: he might make a different decision. And frankly, the Prime
26:01
Speaker 3: Minister has placed him in an in enviable position. No
26:04
Speaker 3: minister should be placed in a position where they have
26:07
Speaker 3: to choose between their political interests and the national interest. Frankly,
26:09
Speaker 3: I don't have confident that Tony Burke would make the
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Speaker 3: right decisions in those circumstances. So it was a bizarre
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Speaker 3: decision by the Prime Minister to appoint him to this portfolio.
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Speaker 3: And it's up to the Prime Minister to reassure the
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Speaker 3: Australian people that the political interests of Tony Burk won't
26:23
Speaker 3: I ride the national interest.
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Speaker 1: Already, it seems to me that the national interest, that
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Speaker 1: national security, has been put at risk by the lack
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Speaker 1: of concern about flying in her Musk supporters to Australia.
26:34
Speaker 1: You know, it just beggars belief, It truly does.
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Speaker 5: Look we just at the.
26:38
Speaker 1: Start of or just before my show, we heard Fatima
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Speaker 1: Payman speak in the sky News mini documentary about having
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Speaker 1: a wholesome country, about not having any division here. Yet
26:50
Speaker 1: just today she supported the Greens in the Senate. They
26:54
Speaker 1: moved a motion to sanction Israel, no mention of the hostages,
26:59
Speaker 1: no mention of Hamas or condemning hermas. Do you think
27:03
Speaker 1: we have seen from her moves to heal division in
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Speaker 1: this country or is she doing the precise opposite.
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Speaker 3: Well, they find sentiments, but I don't think Senator Payment
27:14
Speaker 3: all the Greens have lipped up to those sentiments. In fact,
27:17
Speaker 3: since the seventh October, both of them have sought every
27:19
Speaker 3: opportunity to weaponize this conflict for political purposes. Nothing is
27:24
Speaker 3: gained by this endless moving of motions in the Senate
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Speaker 3: except elevating the political interests of Senator Payment and the Greens.
27:31
Speaker 3: They know before they move these motions that there's no
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Speaker 3: prospect of them passing. If they wanted to pass the motions,
27:36
Speaker 3: they would word them very differently. They would include condemnations
27:39
Speaker 3: of hostage taking, they would include condemnations of Hamas. But
27:42
Speaker 3: they don't do that because this is about politics, not
27:45
Speaker 3: about bringing our country together. So I think we should
27:47
Speaker 3: look at those words from Senator Payment and others in
27:49
Speaker 3: that documentary as hollow words, as insincere words, and I
27:53
Speaker 3: think she should reflect if she really wants to deliver
27:55
Speaker 3: those outcomes in Australia, a different approach is necessary.
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Speaker 1: Look, we've heard the head of AZIO say on multiple
28:02
Speaker 1: occasions now that politicians need to be careful about their
28:06
Speaker 1: language so that he's effectively saying so that it doesn't
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Speaker 1: incite violence or make the situation worse. Already, the terror
28:13
Speaker 1: threat level has risen to probable, meaning there's more than
28:17
Speaker 1: a fifty percent chance of a terror attack the next
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Speaker 1: twelve months. Do you think the Greens here really need
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Speaker 1: to listen to the ASIO Director general's words because they
28:26
Speaker 1: are continually and wrongly accusing Israel of genocide, of deliberately
28:32
Speaker 1: targeting civilians, and that makes people angry when it couldn't
28:36
Speaker 1: be further from the truth.
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Speaker 3: I'm deeply concerned about this, Shari. I think it is
28:42
Speaker 3: a very significant risking we've seen the increase in the
28:45
Speaker 3: terrorism threat level in this country, that people could be
28:48
Speaker 3: incited into committing an act of violence in our country
28:50
Speaker 3: in response to inflame tensions abroad and all of this.
28:54
Speaker 3: As political leaders have an obligation to turn down the
28:56
Speaker 3: temperature and not turn it up. I think the Greens
28:59
Speaker 3: have been easily the worst since the start of this conflict.
29:02
Speaker 3: Were they've sought political advantage out of this with that
29:04
Speaker 3: amped up conflict rather than turned it down with it
29:07
Speaker 3: basis claims, for example, about Australia's supplying weapons to Israel
29:10
Speaker 3: in this conflict, something that is not factual And the
29:13
Speaker 3: only reason why you would do that is if you
29:15
Speaker 3: want to roll people up to get take political advantage
29:17
Speaker 3: out of it. That's irresponsible, that is dangerous and I
29:20
Speaker 3: fear it'll end very badly.
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Speaker 1: Do you think maybe the Boss of Asia needs to
29:23
Speaker 1: provide a specific security briefing to the Greens given we
29:27
Speaker 1: are seeing aggression outside the officers of politicians that is dangerous.
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Speaker 3: In my experienced, security briefings like that are always on
29:36
Speaker 3: offer and always available for those who want to take
29:38
Speaker 3: it up. Whether the Greens would be willing to take
29:40
Speaker 3: up a briefing like that, let alone take out the
29:43
Speaker 3: lessons from that briefing is another question.
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Speaker 1: All right, James Patterson, really appreciate your time as always,
29:49
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thanks Arry, And coming up after the break,
29:54
Speaker 1: how Elon Musk is turning the NBN satellite business into
29:58
Speaker 1: a white elephant, plus the worst of Raygun's academic papers revealed,
30:03
Speaker 1: and they're even more cringeworthy than her break dancing. All
30:07
Speaker 1: of that coming up, Welcome back, well. Elon Musk is
30:16
Speaker 1: turning the NBN satellite business into a white elephant. Mask's
30:21
Speaker 1: satellite service, Starlink, is providing better Internet service to those
30:25
Speaker 1: in the bush. As many of you watching will know,
30:28
Speaker 1: starlink speed is much faster and it's more reliable than
30:31
Speaker 1: the NBN satellite business. Starlink now has two hundred thousand
30:36
Speaker 1: customers according to figures quoted by the A Triple C,
30:40
Speaker 1: and in NBN's latest report, it showed that their satellite
30:43
Speaker 1: customers had crashed by twenty three percent and they were
30:47
Speaker 1: down to just eighty six thousand customers. It seems they
30:51
Speaker 1: were so embarrassed by being beaten by the take billionaire
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Speaker 1: that they've decided to kill off any notion of transparency.
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Speaker 1: The NBN has stopped its decade long practice of publishing
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Speaker 1: weekly data on their customers. To discuss this, let's bringing
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Speaker 1: now Shadow Communications Minister David Coleman. David, great to see you.
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Speaker 4: Look.
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Speaker 1: What do you make of this new lack of transparency
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Speaker 1: from the NBN?
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Speaker 6: Oh to disgrace Sharhi so the NBN is getting smashed
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Speaker 6: by Elon Musk. It's creating embarrassing headlines for the NBN
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Speaker 6: and for the government. You led some of the early
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Speaker 6: reporting on that, and that's been followed up by media
31:29
Speaker 6: outlets right across the board. Its satellite business is collapsing.
31:34
Speaker 6: It's also lost about eighty thousand customers from traditional homes,
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Speaker 6: what they call the brownfields business. And so what the
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Speaker 6: NBN has now done is stop publishing a report that
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Speaker 6: has existed for a decade. And this from a government
31:50
Speaker 6: that was supposedly all about transparency and integrity. It is
31:55
Speaker 6: a disgrace and that report has to be reinstated.
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Speaker 1: Why do you think it is that Elon Musk's starlink
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Speaker 1: is able to provide much better service than the NBN.
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Speaker 6: Well, look, he innovated technically. I mean, he has a
32:11
Speaker 6: track record of doing that across many industries and he's
32:14
Speaker 6: certainly done that with satellite and related space exploration, no question.
32:20
Speaker 6: You know, the government's response, Michelle Rowland's response was to
32:24
Speaker 6: organize a round table of academics. So you know, Elon
32:29
Speaker 6: Musk entrepreneur on one side, government round table of academics
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Speaker 6: on the other. Who's going to win, and Elon Musk
32:37
Speaker 6: is winning. But the issue I think for the public
32:40
Speaker 6: Shari is that we deserve to know what is going
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Speaker 6: on in the NBN. It's completely unacceptable for this information
32:50
Speaker 6: to be hidden. This has been around for a decade
32:53
Speaker 6: and they've got to reinstate this, and there's further steps
32:56
Speaker 6: we can take if they don't.
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Speaker 1: Look, we have to ask how much the NBN satellite
33:01
Speaker 1: services continuing to cost taxpayers, given that it's been so
33:05
Speaker 1: quickly outshine by Elon Musk's new technology. I mean, what
33:09
Speaker 1: is the cost of this so far to taxpayers?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's huge, Sharion. The overall cost to the NBN
33:15
Speaker 6: of taxpayers is increasing. So in the last six months
33:20
Speaker 6: that they reported on the NBN's cash loss effectively was
33:24
Speaker 6: one point one billion dollars, which was up by more
33:28
Speaker 6: than four hundred million on the previous period. They're losing
33:32
Speaker 6: customers because their prices are going up. So satellite broadband
33:36
Speaker 6: prices are up about fourteen percent since October alone, So
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Speaker 6: losing customers, losing money, and now not even giving us
33:45
Speaker 6: the information that we all deserve.
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Speaker 1: Look, he's far from perfect. Elon Musk and labor in
33:51
Speaker 1: particular like to paint him as a villain, but you know,
33:54
Speaker 1: to say he's fixing the problem of internet outages in
33:57
Speaker 1: the bush, which successive governments haven't been able to do.
34:00
Speaker 1: And we've spoken before about how important it is in
34:03
Speaker 1: times of bushfires or floods or other emergencies. You really
34:07
Speaker 1: do need connectivity just quickly before you go. The Albaneze
34:12
Speaker 1: government looks like it is going to reject cause for
34:15
Speaker 1: a blanket ban on gambling advertising. Instead labors pushing forward
34:20
Speaker 1: with a partial band so it'll be during children's shows
34:23
Speaker 1: and live spots broadcasts. David, do you support do you
34:27
Speaker 1: think there should be a ban on gambling advertising?
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Speaker 6: Well, look, Sherry were Back in May last year, Peter
34:34
Speaker 6: Dutton announced in his Budget reply speech that we would
34:37
Speaker 6: ban gambling advertising during live sport one hour before one
34:41
Speaker 6: hour after. We think that's the right thing to do.
34:43
Speaker 6: Very concerned about the impact of those ads on especially
34:46
Speaker 6: on kids and family viewing. I mean in terms of
34:49
Speaker 6: what the government's doing, I mean, who knows, mean, it's
34:51
Speaker 6: been going on for so long, we don't have anything
34:54
Speaker 6: to respond to. Once we do, we'll review it, but
34:58
Speaker 6: we certainly want to see the that ban on live
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Speaker 6: sport advertising and we'll see what the government comes up
35:04
Speaker 6: with and then respond in due courts.
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Speaker 1: All right, David Coleman, thank you very much, great to
35:09
Speaker 1: see you. Now still to come. Tony Abbott calls out
35:12
Speaker 1: alban Easy's snub of Woodside, apparently supporting a successful Australian
35:17
Speaker 1: business isn't in line with his green crusade. Plus videos
35:22
Speaker 1: of children break dancing better than Raygun and we'll look
35:26
Speaker 1: at the only thing worse than her Olympic performance, the
35:29
Speaker 1: worst of her woke academic papers that is coming up
35:33
Speaker 1: after this quick break. Welcome back. Well, let's bring in
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Speaker 1: tonight's political panel, Sky News contributor Gary Hargrave and abral
35:44
Speaker 1: MP Zoey Mackenzie. Great to see you both, Gary and Brisbane,
35:48
Speaker 1: Zoe and Canberra. Well, let's start with Tony Abbott. He's
35:52
Speaker 1: accused Anthony Alberizi and his ministers of snubbing Woodside seventieth
35:56
Speaker 1: anniversary party over the weekend. He says that not even
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Speaker 1: Rezos's minister, Madeline King, a West Australian, attended the celebrations
36:05
Speaker 1: for the gas producer, because she was on leave. Tony
36:09
Speaker 1: Abbott said that gas is our second largest export earner
36:12
Speaker 1: and the only way to ensure that the transition to
36:14
Speaker 1: renewable energy doesn't put the lights out yet because it's
36:17
Speaker 1: an evil fossil fuel. And he says, yet not a
36:20
Speaker 1: single labor MP could attend this milestone, Zoe, what do
36:25
Speaker 1: you think? Is this a pretty rude snub?
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Speaker 16: It's extraordinary, right, So you have an entire slate of
36:33
Speaker 16: Liberal Coalition MP's former prime ministers. They're celebrating this great
36:39
Speaker 16: Australian company, this great export, and no one wants to
36:42
Speaker 16: turn up because theoretically it's a fossil fuel. I went
36:45
Speaker 16: to COP twenty seven, the one that was held in
36:47
Speaker 16: Egypt a couple of years ago, and I met with
36:49
Speaker 16: parliamentarians across the political spectrum and across the planet, and
36:53
Speaker 16: every single one said to me, oh, climate change and energy,
36:55
Speaker 16: it's been conflicted in Australia, hasn't I said, well, to
36:59
Speaker 16: some extent, yes, but what's your solution, what's your baseload solution?
37:02
Speaker 16: What keeps the lights on in your country? And to
37:04
Speaker 16: a man and a woman, it was nuclear number one
37:08
Speaker 16: and gas number two. And so there's not a fraud conversation.
37:13
Speaker 16: People just get on with keeping the lights on. Elsewhere.
37:17
Speaker 16: In my own electric in Flinders, do you know how
37:18
Speaker 16: we're powered over Summer eight diesel generators. We need to
37:22
Speaker 16: be honest about the energy sources we have now and
37:26
Speaker 16: what we're going to need to power Australian industry in
37:28
Speaker 16: the Australian economy in the future. Guess has to be
37:31
Speaker 16: part of that. There's no reason to treat Woodside like
37:34
Speaker 16: it's a leprosy colony.
37:35
Speaker 1: But Garyot's not only that. As Tony Abbott says, Woodside
37:38
Speaker 1: has paid more than forty billion dollars in federal royalties alone.
37:44
Speaker 1: I mean that's a lot to be grateful for when
37:46
Speaker 1: it comes to the budget and the economy.
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Speaker 17: Yeah, plus the great ambassadors for Australia and update economies
37:54
Speaker 17: that need our gas. You know, nobody from the Federal
37:58
Speaker 17: Labor Party went along to dealers and biggers. That's the
38:00
Speaker 17: big gathering of all people in all of the resources.
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Speaker 11: So it's not just.
38:04
Speaker 17: Simply those who are involved in carbon industries, it's all
38:08
Speaker 17: of the resources industry. I mean, I thought Madeline King
38:11
Speaker 17: was a courageous appointment. She's the Minister for Northern Australia
38:14
Speaker 17: and she's in Southwest Western Australia. This mob are completely
38:18
Speaker 17: out of touched. It's all about the factions, and it's
38:21
Speaker 17: all about trying to appease those lefty greenee elements who
38:25
Speaker 17: want to kill off carbon. And I'm from Queensland, and
38:29
Speaker 17: just a few hundred kilometers north and northwest of where
38:32
Speaker 17: I am right now is the world's greatest supply of
38:34
Speaker 17: that beautiful black stuff coal, the first full letters of
38:37
Speaker 17: the word coalition. And I'm going to tell you we've
38:40
Speaker 17: got to keep using that coal to keep the power
38:42
Speaker 17: on because Victoria is going to need a lot more
38:44
Speaker 17: diesel generators based on everything I've seen about its future
38:48
Speaker 17: electricity needs. We just need to produce more and more
38:52
Speaker 17: electricity at cheaper and cheaper prices like we used to
38:55
Speaker 17: do about forty years ago when we were growing our economy.
38:58
Speaker 17: This mob got no idea, no idea.
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Speaker 1: It all all right. Let's return to Raygun because in
39:04
Speaker 1: the wake of her viral performance, there are countless videos
39:07
Speaker 1: and now being posted online of children dancing better than
39:11
Speaker 1: our olympian Have a look.
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Speaker 9: Musca, How good are they?
39:42
Speaker 1: But the only thing worse than Rachel Gun's break dancing
39:46
Speaker 1: are her woke academic papers. Have a look at Sky
39:49
Speaker 1: News Digital editor Jack Hadden speaking about this.
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Speaker 5: You've got a person who has forged this very niche
39:56
Speaker 5: career in breaking in breakdancing, and she's trying to high
40:00
Speaker 5: it to colonial structures. Everything's about racialized theory, everything's americanized,
40:06
Speaker 5: the spellings americanized because they need to try and publish
40:10
Speaker 5: in these americanized journals, and so everything has to be
40:13
Speaker 5: about critical race theory. And she somehow managed to tie
40:18
Speaker 5: breakdancing to colonial structures, to being institutionalized, to racism.
40:26
Speaker 1: All right, And I'm actually going to read you guys
40:28
Speaker 1: a quote from one of her papers, and I mean
40:30
Speaker 1: it's almost unintelligible. She says that we argue that breakings
40:35
Speaker 1: institutionalization via the Olympics will place breaking more firmly within
40:41
Speaker 1: this sporting nations hegemonic settler colonial structures that rely upon
40:47
Speaker 1: racialized and gendered hierarchies. I actually don't know what the
40:51
Speaker 1: hell she's talking about. How breakdancing can do any of that, Zoe,
40:55
Speaker 1: what do you think?
40:57
Speaker 16: Honestly? Look, break dancing was always the rogue sport in
41:01
Speaker 16: the Paris Olympics. I remember eight years ago, whenever it
41:03
Speaker 16: was that Paris was selected. I said to my kids,
41:06
Speaker 16: this is it. Kids, learn breakdancing. It's going to be
41:08
Speaker 16: the one where no one's got the gold medal. Go
41:11
Speaker 16: out and learn how to do it. And if they'd
41:13
Speaker 16: taken me seriously, I'll tell you what, there'd be a
41:14
Speaker 16: gold medal in my home today. So, look, I haven't
41:18
Speaker 16: really followed the breakdancing saga. I have to admit it's
41:21
Speaker 16: not my preferred sport. I'm more of a rower myself,
41:24
Speaker 16: and so I haven't really followed it. But look it
41:26
Speaker 16: was rogue. I'm not sure it'll be back next time
41:28
Speaker 16: given the success or.
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Speaker 17: Like they're off this.
41:30
Speaker 16: I'm not just for us, but everyone. This might be
41:32
Speaker 16: the first and last time we see breakdancing. But I say, girl,
41:34
Speaker 16: Aussie's whatever the sport is. They got up tonight and
41:36
Speaker 16: celebrated for local olympias, my electorate who all did great.
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Speaker 1: Well, good on them, Good on them.
41:42
Speaker 9: Gary.
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Speaker 1: I think ray Gun is going to be the Halloween
41:45
Speaker 1: costume of twenty twenty four. What do you racket and
41:48
Speaker 1: what do you think of those academic papers?
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Speaker 17: Yeah, the papers frightened me more than anything else. I
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Speaker 17: actually think she's done cultural appropriation. I think she's actually
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Speaker 17: decided to send the whole thing up, and somebody within
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Speaker 17: the Australian Olympic Committee allowed it. Agun of course, now
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Speaker 17: they're so embarrassed by the whole thing they're arguing how
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Speaker 17: great she is. Look, I'm more on the I love
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Speaker 17: Arissa true page, the fourteen year old fourteen in eighty
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Speaker 17: six days, that girl from the Gold Coast won a
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Speaker 17: gold medal. She better get her Order of Australia because
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Speaker 17: otherwise if she doesn't, it'll be ages. They're all meant
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Speaker 17: to get Orders of Australia. I think all of the
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Speaker 17: great Olympians have competed against a lot of other great
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Speaker 17: Australians to get there, and they've done us proud. Ray
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Speaker 17: Gun was courageous, a courageous choice in Australia's name.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed, indeed all right do Zoe Mackenzie, Gary Hargrave,
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Speaker 1: Thank you both so much for joining me. Now, up
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Speaker 1: next is the UK Prime Minister turning into Big Brother,
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Speaker 1: how free speech is coming under serious attack and the
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Speaker 1: latest on the violent riots will cross live to Tom Slater
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Speaker 1: in London right after the break Welcome back Well. Today,
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Speaker 1: Elon Musk had a two hour interview with Donald Trump
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Speaker 1: and more a conversation than an interview on his platform X.
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Speaker 1: In that conversation, Donald Trump vowed to build a missile
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Speaker 1: defense shield similar to the Iron Dome over the United States.
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Speaker 1: Have a listen.
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Speaker 7: One of the things we're going to do is we're
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Speaker 7: going to build an iron dome over US.
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Speaker 4: You know, Israel has it.
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Speaker 7: We're going to have the best iron dome in the world.
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Speaker 7: We need it, and we're going to make it all
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Speaker 7: in the United States.
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Speaker 1: Well, for more insight on this discussion, that's cross Live
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Speaker 1: to the UK, where Spiked online editor Tom Slater joins me. Now, Tom,
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Speaker 1: good to see you again. Look what did you make
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Speaker 1: of this conversation that went on and on and on
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Speaker 1: between Elon Musk and Donald Trump?
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Speaker 11: And it's very much kind of election campaigns in the
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Speaker 11: twenty first century, wasn't it? This long, yawning conversation between
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Speaker 11: Donald Trump, the prospective Republican president, and also Elon Musker
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Speaker 11: has recently backed him quite famously. I mean, it was
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Speaker 11: classic Trump. Plenty of braggadoco, plenty of bobbastic statements. I
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Speaker 11: typically like the bit where he said he told once
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Speaker 11: told Ladimir Putin what he would do if Russia invaded
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Speaker 11: Ukraine and Putin said no way, and he said way.
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Speaker 11: It was you know, it was a wonder of what
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Speaker 11: fantastic entertainment value, if nothing else, that Donald Trump brings
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Speaker 11: all of this. And I think the fact that Elion
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Speaker 11: Musk was doing this was very significant. Is someone who,
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Speaker 11: despite being quite an eccentric and colorful character, was a
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Speaker 11: kind of moderate Democrat not that long ago. And I
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Speaker 11: think it's telling how far the Democrats have moved away
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Speaker 11: from a lot of moderate positions on a lot of
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Speaker 11: issues that someone like him, for all his eccentricities, is
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Speaker 11: backing Trump so emphatically.
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Speaker 1: Now, well, you wonder how much would be a business
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Speaker 1: decision of courtus because Donald Trump does have a lot
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Speaker 1: of supporters. But I thought it was extraordinary and I'll
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Speaker 1: probably play this clip on the show tomorrow night that
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Speaker 1: there was a Washington Post reporter at the White House
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Speaker 1: who actually asked the White House Press Secretary, in effect,
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Speaker 1: if she could shut down the conversation before it happened
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Speaker 1: because it might have misinformation in it. I mean, the idea,
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Speaker 1: this censorship of free speech, and tom that's what I
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Speaker 1: want to speak to you about because in the UK
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Speaker 1: Reform UK leader Nigel Farage has criticized Keir Starmer on
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Speaker 1: free speech. He's saying that he's going too far in
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Speaker 1: his response to the riots, and then it is suppressing
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Speaker 1: free speech.
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Speaker 13: Have a look what we are allowed to do on
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Speaker 13: social media, or should be allowed to do, is to speculate,
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Speaker 13: is to ask questions, is to trump put facts out.
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Speaker 13: Trump put facts out that wake up the rest of
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Speaker 13: the community. Starmer by cracking down on that poses I
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Speaker 13: think the biggest threat to free speech we've seen in
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Speaker 13: art history.
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Speaker 1: Tom that is a big accusation. But the Crown Prosecution
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Speaker 1: Servers has tweeted that people should think before they post.
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Speaker 1: So you know, how serious is this threat?
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Speaker 11: I think it's very serious. Think that Kirstarmer is a
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Speaker 11: classic figure of the British establishment. He seems to blame
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Speaker 11: free speech and social media for absolutely everything that goes
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Speaker 11: wrong in society. The people who rule over us think
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Speaker 11: that censorship is the only thing between civilization and barbaras.
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Speaker 11: We've seen that in the response. We've seen, as you say,
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Speaker 11: government Twitter accounts saying think before you post. We've had
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Speaker 11: the Chief Prosecutor going on the air to say that
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Speaker 11: not only our official scouring the internet, but even retweets
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Speaker 11: of potentially hateful or inciting material could potentially land you
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Speaker 11: in one of those fetching gray prison tracksuits that we have.
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Speaker 11: And the one thing I would say is that this
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Speaker 11: is not about Kirstarmer introducing any kind of new laws.
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Speaker 11: He's putting a bit of pressure on the authorities and
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Speaker 11: what not to speed up prosecutions. But this has been
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Speaker 11: an unpleasant sort of normal state of affairs for the
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Speaker 11: UK for quite some time now. Back in twenty seventeen,
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Speaker 11: The Times the newspaper found that nine people a day
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Speaker 11: were being arrested for things that they said online. And
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Speaker 11: I think it's a reminder that however odious, hateful, racist,
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Speaker 11: some of the speech that we might encounter on the internet.
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Speaker 11: In asking the States all the social media companies to
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Speaker 11: act as a kind of ministry of truth or as
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Speaker 11: an official censor, will corrode everyone's free speech and the
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Speaker 11: name of just targeting that kind of bigoted few, if you, And.
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Speaker 1: That is precisely what's also happening in Australia as well,
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Speaker 1: and it is scary. Look, let's have a quick look
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Speaker 1: at the riots before we go. There was horror in
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Speaker 1: central London yesterday, an eleven year old girl and her
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Speaker 1: mother stabbed. Keirs Starmer has had to cancel his summer
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Speaker 1: holiday plans to deal with these riots.
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Speaker 7: What do we know?
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Speaker 1: You know, what happened with this incident with the mother
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Speaker 1: and the girl and do we expect the riots to continue?
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Speaker 11: So information about this particular incident is pretty scant on
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Speaker 11: the ground at the moment. There's also very little we
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Speaker 11: could say because of the fact that charges have been
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Speaker 11: brought and so on. What we do know from the
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Speaker 11: police they don't believe it to be terror related. I
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Speaker 11: don't think they believe this person to be known to
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Speaker 11: the family in question. And there's also been a lot
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Speaker 11: of praise for a security on Leicester Square who intervened
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Speaker 11: to stop the attack getting any worse than it was.
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Speaker 11: So that's a kind of an early stage. How much
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Speaker 11: that connects to our broader conversation, not entirely sure, but
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Speaker 11: it seemed like across the country, at least for now,
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Speaker 11: the riots of sort of debated, and we're now looking
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Speaker 11: at getting into a discussion of how we got into
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Speaker 11: this position in the first place.
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Speaker 15: All right.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, Tom Slater, thank you so much for your time,
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Speaker 1: and thanks everyone for your company. Tonight. I'll see you
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Speaker 1: tomorrow at eight o'clock. And right now, here's Paul in
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Speaker 1: the man Cave.