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You Get to Fire Your Doctor · Made, Not Found

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SPEAKER_01: I just got a blood test back that showed that I was high in PFOA, so that's forever chemicals, essentially plastic, right?
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SPEAKER_01: And I was having a call with our doctor, and he said, like, I'm surprised by this you guys live really healthy.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, has anything changed?
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SPEAKER_02: I think people think that I'm super strict sometimes and that I, you know, am a psycho, and I'm really not.
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SPEAKER_02: For a period of time, you know, I grew up on the standard American diet, and then I got super excited about health and wellness, and I wanted to share everyone all my information, and I found out that I was really annoyed.
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SPEAKER_02: And I went like very extreme.
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SPEAKER_01: We have more tools and knowledge about health and wellness now than ever.
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SPEAKER_01: So why are we sicker than ever?
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SPEAKER_02: It's a big question.
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SPEAKER_02: Welcome to Made Not Found.
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SPEAKER_01: So we have more tools and knowledge about health and wellness now than ever.
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SPEAKER_01: So why are we sicker than ever?
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SPEAKER_02: Hmm.
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SPEAKER_02: That's a big question.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh I think there's a lot of reasons we're sicker than ever.
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SPEAKER_02: We do not live this is not the same times.
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SPEAKER_02: We are raising kids in a time that are very unlike how our grandparents were raised.
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SPEAKER_02: And so it's interesting because we have been, you and I as parents have been judged quite a bit by uh even family members about how we raise our children.
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SPEAKER_02: And I think that the disconnect is that people don't understand that we cannot do the same things that our grandparents did because we don't live in the same world.
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SPEAKER_02: We have we live in a toxic world.
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SPEAKER_02: There's I don't even know how many hundreds of thousands of chemicals that are in our environments, not just our food, that did not exist when our grandparents were growing up.
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SPEAKER_02: And so I think there's so many reasons.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, food is one of them, toxins are another one.
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SPEAKER_02: The environment that we live in, you know, nobody really like slows down, takes time to take care of themselves, stops and reads.
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SPEAKER_02: We're all walking around like zombies on our phone, we're not connecting, you know, as a community.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, the the question goes on and on.
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SPEAKER_02: So, where do you want to start?
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SPEAKER_01: Well, there's a couple a couple of topics there.
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SPEAKER_01: I think the toxic overload is an interesting one, but but because of the timing, like Halloween's coming up um in a week, two weeks, whatever it may be.
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SPEAKER_01: Sooner than that.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, wh whatever it is.
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SPEAKER_01: And um, and that makes me think of of this idea of like food and what our parents or grandparents used to eat and what was allowable and what is now.
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SPEAKER_01: And so we've heard over time the idea of, well, I had that when I was a kid, it's fine.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
2:42
SPEAKER_01: And and I'm in the food industry, food and beverage industry, and I know that that's it's not the same as you said.
2:49
SPEAKER_01: And I've talked to executives at some of these companies, and they've explained why, which is you know, profit is driving their decisions.
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SPEAKER_01: There are there's pressure often to get more and more margin out of these items.
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SPEAKER_01: And so the example that I heard was ketchup.
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SPEAKER_01: Each year they have to have a cost savings uh or a margin enhancement, and so they take a little more uh tomato out and they put a little more high fructose corn syrup in.
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SPEAKER_01: And so the point is, after 20, 30, 40 years of that, ketchup's not what it was back then, and that's one example of a million.
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SPEAKER_01: 100%.
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SPEAKER_01: And so um with that idea, it's it's really but it's really hard to explain to somebody.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, my mom would want to give the boys treats every day.
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SPEAKER_02: 100%.
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SPEAKER_01: And it's not only that, but it's dyes, it's so let's talk about food for a minute.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, actually, I was gonna go somewhere else because but we can we can go wherever you want.
3:43
SPEAKER_02: Okay, well, what you just said reminded me that about vaccines, which is a very controversial topic and one that people love to shy away from.
3:53
SPEAKER_02: And I think our story is very unique, right?
3:56
SPEAKER_02: We were both vaccinated as kids.
3:58
SPEAKER_02: And when it came time for our kids, for our oldest to get vaccinated, he was a baby, and I was started just asking questions.
4:06
SPEAKER_02: And the pediatrician was so rude to me, she told me that m uh our son was gonna get meningitis and he was gonna die if I did not vaccinate.
4:14
SPEAKER_02: And I left the office in tears.
4:17
SPEAKER_02: Now remember, your postpartum, your first-time mother, everything is overwhelming.
4:21
SPEAKER_02: All we're trying to do is keep this like amazing being safe and alive, and she scared the Jesus out of me.
4:29
SPEAKER_02: And so, fast forward, I just we decided to do a delayed schedule, and fast forward to when he was four or five years old.
4:37
SPEAKER_02: We just moved to California, and he had his last pneumococcal, Prevnar's the brand name, vaccine.
4:44
SPEAKER_02: So he had already had three three or four of them.
4:48
SPEAKER_02: And he had the most terrifying, maybe not the most terrifying, there's a lot, but he had a very terrifying vaccine reaction, which I think is worth telling.
4:58
SPEAKER_02: He had his shot on a Thursday, and you ha you were traveling, and you traveled a lot at this period, you know, you traveled a lot their whole lives.
5:06
SPEAKER_02: Uh and and so interestingly, when we were in the doctor's office, he literally tried to escape.
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SPEAKER_02: I had to like hold him down, which was horrible in in itself.
5:17
SPEAKER_02: We he we got vaccinated, I take him home, and our son is very lively, very spirited.
5:25
SPEAKER_02: I read I read a book, Raising Your Spirited Child, because I was like, somebody needs me to help help, some I need help.
5:31
SPEAKER_02: And I took this child home and he sat on the couch and didn't want to do anything.
5:36
SPEAKER_02: Super strange.
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SPEAKER_02: I get him outside to play with his best friend who lived across the street, Jack, who he played with all the time.
5:43
SPEAKER_02: And within minutes, our oldest son had an absolute meltdown.
5:47
SPEAKER_02: And the mom, Jack's mom, said to me, like, what is going on with him?
5:51
SPEAKER_02: And I she noticed.
5:53
SPEAKER_02: Oh, 100%.
5:54
SPEAKER_02: And I said, He did I'm gonna cry.
5:57
SPEAKER_02: He just had a vaccine and he's not normal.
6:00
SPEAKER_02: And so that was that night, and honestly, like I don't even remember the rest of the night.
6:04
SPEAKER_02: Like, we went through the thing, but he just was not himself.
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SPEAKER_02: The next morning, we're rushing to get to school, take him to school, and you had got home, so we went to pick him up.
6:17
SPEAKER_02: And I will never forget that moment because I was standing maybe like I don't know, 20 yards away from you, and you walked up to him and he's there to you like he did not know you.
6:31
SPEAKER_02: And you also, because we hadn't even had a time to like really talk.
6:35
SPEAKER_02: You're like, what is going on with him?
6:36
SPEAKER_02: And I knew I was like, he had a vaccine yesterday.
6:39
SPEAKER_02: Anyway, we started him on a detox program.
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SPEAKER_02: That was a Friday.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, he also had a rash from like his shoulder to his elbow that was extremely angry, and and but I remember even the car ride home, I put on his favorite song, which normally he would bounce off and sing and dance, and he's staring out the window.
6:55
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, this is a shell of my child.
6:59
SPEAKER_02: So thankfully, we had resources, we got him on a detox program.
7:03
SPEAKER_02: Come Monday, he was like starting to come out of his fog.
7:07
SPEAKER_02: But people want to tell you, all the everyone wants to tell you their opinion about vaccines, and you know, that they were vaccinated and they're fine.
7:15
SPEAKER_02: And God love your mom.
7:17
SPEAKER_02: I have no idea how she has your vaccine card when she doesn't have anything else that's here.
7:21
SPEAKER_02: But she had your vaccine card from you or a child, and you had a total of 10 vaccines.
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SPEAKER_02: A total of 10 vaccines.
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SPEAKER_02: Now, people might not realize that that is nowhere near what we're talking about kids get today.
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SPEAKER_02: I think the number, and I could be wrong, but it's roughly like 36 vaccines by the time they're six.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: You had 10 vs.
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SPEAKER_02: Triple.
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unknown: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: More than.
7:42
SPEAKER_02: Right.
7:43
SPEAKER_02: And so if you want to talk about, you know, we don't have time to get into all of it, but we want to talk about toxins.
7:47
SPEAKER_02: There's a ton of toxins in vaccines.
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SPEAKER_02: Look it up yourself.
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SPEAKER_02: There's a million of them.
7:52
SPEAKER_02: And so from the get-go, we we babies are born, first of all, with toxins in their umbilical cord.
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SPEAKER_02: They have tested this, and there's a hundred and some toxins in a baby's umbilical cord when they come out.
8:03
SPEAKER_01: Which are from us because we live in a toxic world and you're you're then passing it to the baby.
8:09
SPEAKER_02: Right.
8:10
SPEAKER_02: And then within 24 hours, we give them vaccines.
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SPEAKER_02: And then, you know, often babies are given formula, which are often contain genetically modified ingredients or corn or all of these other things that are are sprayed heavily with glyphosate and and toxic too.
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SPEAKER_02: So we don't even have a chance.
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SPEAKER_02: Like we're off starting off the gate, we're we're just bombarded with toxins.
8:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I remember that specifically as well, and I just was talking about that this week, and I showed someone the picture of his arm.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
8:39
SPEAKER_01: Because the thing that pissed me off the most was when we went to the doctor and talked to them about it, and they blamed it on me.
8:46
SPEAKER_01: And they said he was just punishing you for traveling.
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SPEAKER_01: And you know that I I have a temper that luckily I was able to hold in that day because I wanted to strangle the guy.
8:56
SPEAKER_02: It was a woman, and I wanted to scratch her face off.
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SPEAKER_02: And I will never forget because she did not know us, first of all.
9:00
SPEAKER_02: We were new to San Diego.
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SPEAKER_02: We found I found her, I don't even remember, somebody recommended her, I believe, or maybe I found her online.
9:07
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_02: She met our son one visit, which is what, 15 minutes, and that's it.
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SPEAKER_02: She didn't know him at all.
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SPEAKER_02: And we went in there to talk about it, and she sat there and said that he was angry at you for traveling.
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SPEAKER_02: And I was, my mama bear was so fierce too, because I'm like, you do not know our child.
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SPEAKER_02: And to sit here and tell me that the vaccine had nothing to do with it and that you know him well enough, that you know how he responds to to his father coming home was the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
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SPEAKER_02: Thankfully, I knew that you can report those things.
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SPEAKER_02: There's bears, bars, I don't know how to say anything, I mispronounce everything.
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SPEAKER_02: But anyway, where they're they report it's you can report adverse reactions from vaccines, and she would not report it for us.
9:49
SPEAKER_01: I you asked her to report it and she said no.
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SPEAKER_02: She said no.
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SPEAKER_01: And so you had to report it yourself.
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SPEAKER_01: I did.
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SPEAKER_01: Which you also said was a really difficult process.
9:58
SPEAKER_02: I don't think it was easy.
9:58
SPEAKER_02: I don't even remember to be honest.
10:00
SPEAKER_02: But the whole none none of that during that time, nothing was easy.
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SPEAKER_02: I was then trying to figure out how do I get a vaccine exemption because whatever.
10:07
SPEAKER_02: And none of it was easy.
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SPEAKER_02: But you know, moms, we are fierce, we will do whatever we need to.
10:12
SPEAKER_01: Well, the second part of that doctor visit I remember was there was physical evidence of the issue.
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SPEAKER_01: There was this rash that just had daily moved down his arm and was now down at his elbow, and it was a really bright red rash.
10:26
SPEAKER_01: And she said that's normal.
10:28
SPEAKER_01: And I don't care what standard you're looking at, that's not normal.
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SPEAKER_01: It may be common as a side effect to that shot, but normal is not the right word to use.
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SPEAKER_01: So going back further than that, though, I remember when we were in Chicago before he was born, and and you kind of had suggested, like, let's look into this, let me think about this delayed schedule.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
10:50
SPEAKER_01: And I kind of humored you.
10:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
10:52
SPEAKER_01: Whatever.
10:53
SPEAKER_01: And it wasn't until we went into the doctor's office and I heard firsthand how rude they were to you about just a simple question, which is is does it have to all be at once?
11:04
SPEAKER_01: Can we delay it?
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SPEAKER_01: Can we separate some of these shots?
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SPEAKER_01: Because I think people don't realize that they're also not one vaccine per shot.
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SPEAKER_01: They're now stacked.
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SPEAKER_01: You may have two or three in some of these shots.
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SPEAKER_01: And the idea that you even asked that question was so appalling to this doctor.
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SPEAKER_01: It was.
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SPEAKER_01: And if there's anything I can say, it's it's that if you ask a question and somebody is defensive or appalled by it, there's really something there.
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SPEAKER_01: There's a reason.
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SPEAKER_02: 100%.
11:30
SPEAKER_02: And I think that we come from generations where they went to the doctor and the doctor was always right, and you did what the doctor said because they were the expert.
11:39
SPEAKER_02: And what I think is amazing about where we are now and where we're going is that people are becoming very knowledgeable because there's so much information, and now we get to be the the advocates for our own health.
11:51
SPEAKER_02: And if you have a doctor that you can't ask a question, find a new doctor.
11:54
SPEAKER_02: You get to fire that doctor, you don't have to go back to that doctor.
11:57
SPEAKER_02: Find someone who is willing to listen to you and have a conversation about your concerns.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I think the toxic overload idea is interesting though.
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SPEAKER_01: We talked about it because this idea of a cup, right, that gets filled with things, and in this case toxins.
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SPEAKER_01: And when you add in toxins from food or environmental toxins, whether it's from the air or from the water, and then you add in toxins from your fabrics, and there could be a theory that even if it were, which it's not, even if it were the same vaccine, and you were adding that in, that could be the thing that overfills the cup.
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SPEAKER_01: 100%.
12:36
SPEAKER_01: There's always this argument um about the the dose makes the poison, I think is the saying.
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SPEAKER_01: Um and and everything is measured in almost like segmented um measurements.
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SPEAKER_01: The level of mercury as an example, or whatever the ingredient is in a vaccine is so low that it's irrelevant.
12:59
SPEAKER_01: Okay, but we don't live in a world that that's the only place that you're getting that thing.
13:04
SPEAKER_01: And and apply that to anything.
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SPEAKER_01: 100%.
13:06
SPEAKER_01: And so it becomes so um so difficult to have the conversation because it is so such a broad discussion.
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SPEAKER_01: You can't just dig into one thing.
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SPEAKER_01: You're really talking about an entire macro environment where you're constantly bombarded with toxins.
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SPEAKER_02: 100%.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, you think you know, heavy metals are in everything.
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SPEAKER_02: And so there are standard allowances of heavy metals because you there have to be, because they exist in kale and cacao.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, literally.
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SPEAKER_01: Things that grow out of the ground and where they grow.
13:36
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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SPEAKER_02: And so they're unavoidable.
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SPEAKER_02: And so what's interesting though is that we're a part of this human experiment where we're getting heavy metals from kale that's very healthy, and we're getting them from vaccines, and we're getting them from the the aluminum can we drink out of, and we're getting them all of these things, and so there really is there's no way to test all of those inputs.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, there are, but essentially we're all we are all have toxic heavy metals.
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SPEAKER_02: We all have toxins in our body.
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SPEAKER_02: And so then it becomes like, how do we we can't we live in a toxic world and that is what it is.
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SPEAKER_02: So how do we lessen our toxins?
14:12
SPEAKER_02: How do we live the best we can?
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SPEAKER_02: How do we work on our detox pathways to get rid of them most efficiently?
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SPEAKER_02: Because the world we live in is the world we live in.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, it's it's really hard to replicate a real world experience because you may eat, live, experience different things than I do, and then there's billions of people that all have these different inputs and practices, and you you may use the sauna and I may not, and all these examples.
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SPEAKER_01: So, but the reality is what you said we live in a toxic world and we have to understand how to limit our inputs and um maximize our our outputs or our shedding of those toxic materials.
14:49
SPEAKER_01: I I just got a blood test back that showed that I was high in PFOAs, so that's forever chemicals, essentially plastic, right?
14:57
SPEAKER_02: Plastic, which are in everything.
14:59
SPEAKER_01: And and I was having a call with our doctor, and he said, like, I'm surprised by this, you guys live really healthy.
15:04
SPEAKER_01: Like, is has anything changed?
15:06
SPEAKER_01: And I don't maybe it's changed.
15:08
SPEAKER_01: I don't think anything has dramatically changed in in our diet or environment.
15:12
SPEAKER_01: Um, possibly.
15:13
SPEAKER_01: There are a couple things that I identified.
15:16
SPEAKER_01: So I had to look at that and maybe make some changes.
15:18
SPEAKER_01: But the second question I asked them is okay, it is what it is.
15:21
SPEAKER_01: How do I get rid of it?
15:23
SPEAKER_01: Right.
15:23
SPEAKER_01: And so then we started talking about that about um the sauna needs to be more common, you know, use maybe daily, which I'm I have not been good at.
15:31
SPEAKER_01: But uh we know there are options, which is the point.
15:34
SPEAKER_01: There are things that we can do now that and more research that we know.
15:38
SPEAKER_01: I think it's funny that um, you know, saunas are all the rage right now, just like uh cold plunges and other things.
15:43
SPEAKER_01: And then if you look historically in the Finnish countries, like saunas have been a part of their culture, like every house has uh a sauna and it's part of their daily rituals, and so we can study that and see the benefits of it, and that we're now just incorporating it.
15:58
SPEAKER_01: So there are tools, but we have to know that it's a bit overwhelming.
16:04
SPEAKER_01: How did how do you break it down when you think about it?
16:07
SPEAKER_01: Because you're in this world, you're a certified holistic nutritionalist, you thrive on the the newest knowledge about food or or toxicity or detoxing or biohacking or whatever it may be.
16:19
SPEAKER_01: How, if you're not you, whether you don't have the passion, you don't have the time, you don't have the whatever it may be, how do you even get started?
16:28
SPEAKER_02: I think that first of all, just knowing that what is now common is not normal.
16:36
SPEAKER_02: Like let's just start there, right?
16:38
SPEAKER_02: So for years, I was like a w the weirdo or the black sheep or the health freak or whatever it is, you know, which I think is is we're getting away from that.
16:47
SPEAKER_02: But but I think that let's just start out with the fact that 90% of the food that you're in the aisles at your grocery store outside of the perimeter that's you know center center store.
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SPEAKER_02: Center store in a in a typical grocery store is not real food.
17:04
SPEAKER_02: And so just because everyone's doing it doesn't make it okay, right?
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SPEAKER_02: So I think that interestingly talking to people, and I and I've done some one-on-one consulting with holistic nutrition consulting, I don't love it, so but everyone says that they're pretty healthy.
17:20
SPEAKER_01: And so what that means you've never asked somebody uh how they live and they said I'm terrible.
17:27
SPEAKER_01: No, they they always say I'm I'm pretty healthy.
17:29
SPEAKER_02: I'm pretty healthy, and that's always by comparison.
17:32
SPEAKER_02: So maybe I go to I do not, but maybe I go to get fast food once a week, and my neighbors go three times a week, so I'm doing much better than they are.
17:42
SPEAKER_02: Maybe I cut back on my diet coke to one a day.
17:47
SPEAKER_02: Maybe I don't smoke cigarettes anymore.
17:49
SPEAKER_02: It all depends, you know, so it's all what are you comparing to.
17:53
SPEAKER_02: And so I would say, first of all, look at yourself honestly and just just realize where you are, and not from a judgmental place, because it's also not about perfection.
18:02
SPEAKER_02: I am not about perfection.
18:03
SPEAKER_02: I feel like for a period of time, you know, I grew up in the standard American diet, and then I got super excited about health and wellness, and I wanted to share every all my information.
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SPEAKER_02: I found out that I was really annoying.
18:14
SPEAKER_02: And I went like very extreme.
18:16
SPEAKER_02: And now I've swung back into I think what I would consider, you know, my my normal.
18:21
SPEAKER_02: And so it's not about perfection, but what is the lowest hanging fruit that you can easily start with?
18:26
SPEAKER_02: Because us included, we didn't decide one day we were gonna be gluten-free, dairy-free, fat, do fasting and do sauna.
18:34
SPEAKER_02: And you know, it's years and years of discovery and trial and error and feeling, figuring out how you feel.
18:41
SPEAKER_02: And that would be my other thing, which I try to teach the boys so much, is just pay attention to how you feel when you're doing something.
18:46
SPEAKER_02: Because the reality is we're not gonna always make perfect decisions, and you get to make that decision as an adult.
18:51
SPEAKER_02: You know, our kids were starting to allow them to make decisions that they didn't get to use, they didn't use to get to make.
18:57
SPEAKER_02: And so it's, you know, maybe instead of saying don't eat whatever it is that you really want to eat, it's eat it and then pay attention to how you feel after in the next maybe 24 to 48 hours.
19:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the the best example I can think of that is when I took our oldest up to Tennessee to go hunting, and we were staying at your cousin's house who had much of the standard, you know, food available, and it definitely wasn't gluten-free, and there were candies out, and and I wasn't gonna restrict him on what he could eat.
19:23
SPEAKER_01: I said the same thing.
19:24
SPEAKER_01: You taught me that, like, pay attention to how you feel, and he went crazy.
19:28
SPEAKER_01: He ate everything and he didn't sleep that great, and we were up early hunting and all these things, and we got on the plane to come home, and he said, I don't feel good, and he pulled out the the barf bag and threw up.
19:40
SPEAKER_01: And whether it was that or whether it was something else, I said, You see the result of what you did, you ate like crap, and that was the result.
19:48
SPEAKER_01: And um, and I noticed for a while, maybe not that long, but he definitely modified how he ate.
19:53
SPEAKER_01: So I think it's a great, great way to um approach approach them because there is a point where we can't control it anymore.
20:02
SPEAKER_01: They go to a birthday party, they go to a friend's house, and we don't get to decide, and so just them having the foundational experience at our home, but then the knowledge of how this makes you feel um is valuable.
20:14
SPEAKER_01: It's a journey, is what you said.
20:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I think that's really kind of goes to our mentality of you have to have a growth mindset.
20:21
SPEAKER_01: I remember when we lived in Chicago and we would drive back to Ohio to see family, and there was a specific truck stop.
20:28
SPEAKER_01: I remember it because we stopped all the time there, um, and it had a subway.
20:33
SPEAKER_01: And we stopped there because we felt like that was the healthy option.
20:37
SPEAKER_01: And compared to McDonald's and Arby's and whatever else, it probably was the healthy option.
20:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
20:43
SPEAKER_01: Fast forward five years later, we wouldn't even eat gluten, we would never stop and eat there.
20:49
SPEAKER_02: And there was like a whole thing about there being plastic in Subway's bread.
20:53
SPEAKER_02: We're like, okay, maybe no more.
20:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so so I guess the you know, looking even further back, you you told me in high school you used to eat Doritos and drink coke.
21:02
SPEAKER_01: Like, so it's a it's a journey.
21:04
SPEAKER_01: I don't think it you should expect yourself or anybody else to be perfect to think that's what you're saying, but also to know like iterations will happen and you'll learn new things and um just being open to that.
21:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, I think people think that I'm super strict sometimes and that I, you know, am a psycho, and I'm really not.
21:23
SPEAKER_02: I think in our house, first of all, our pantry is s stocked, and they're better for you junk food.
21:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and that's what it is.
21:31
SPEAKER_02: And I don't kid myself, like I'm very aware of that.
21:33
SPEAKER_02: Like, do we have chips in our house?
21:34
SPEAKER_02: Yes, our kids, our kids are not deprived, like I think people thought they were deprived.
21:40
SPEAKER_02: And honestly, sometimes I'll buy this stuff and I'm like, I don't even feel good about buying this, but I try to limit what I'm buying, and I try to buy the best version of whatever it is, right?
21:50
SPEAKER_02: Like I would never buy Oreos, but there are cookies that I would buy that I feel are better.
21:55
SPEAKER_02: And and so it's not perfect, and we have Pizza Fridays and we eat I.
22:00
SPEAKER_02: Cream and the kids now, I think you know, our oldest is 14, and so he's got a lot of independence of of choosing what he he eats.
22:08
SPEAKER_02: And and we will see, you know, they have a good foundation, they know how to read labels, they've heard me talk, you know, way more than they ever want to hear someone talk about food and wellness and health.
22:17
SPEAKER_02: And so, yeah, we'll you know, we'll see how they do with their own choices.
22:20
SPEAKER_01: Well, to that point, I mean, being in the food and beverage industry, I know that there are better options for everything now.
22:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah and it's continuing to get better.
22:27
SPEAKER_01: And and we discussed this a long time ago, which is ultimately you can say whatever you want, you can try to educate people, but the way you really make a difference is you vote with your wallet.
22:36
SPEAKER_01: And it's not always the least expensive option.
22:39
SPEAKER_01: I think people tend to to forget or maybe don't have a complete picture to look at it this way, but you can either spend the money now on your health, or you can spend the money later on your treatment or recovery, right?
22:53
SPEAKER_01: Um in a in a hospital or medical environment.
22:57
SPEAKER_01: Totally.
22:58
SPEAKER_01: But when we first became gluten-free, I mean, I'm Italian, we ate pasta every Sunday.
23:03
SPEAKER_01: The joke was me and your mom used to fight about bread at dinner.
23:06
SPEAKER_02: For sure.
23:07
SPEAKER_01: I was I had no clue how I was going to be gluten-free.
23:11
SPEAKER_01: And to be honest, I thought it was bullshit until we did an elimination diet because our middle son was having all these like stomach issues, and you would reintroduce uh a different potential allergen each day.
23:24
SPEAKER_01: And I had the the exact same meal one day, it was a chipotle bowl with no wrap, and and I had it the next day in a wrap, so I reintroduced gluten, and it was very obvious very quickly that I was sensitive to gluten.
23:40
SPEAKER_02: I mean You were such an asshole.
23:43
SPEAKER_02: You were tired, you were grumpy, you were moody, you were bloated, you were all out of sorts.
23:48
SPEAKER_02: And it was so interesting.
23:50
SPEAKER_02: And I was really glad because it's so much more powerful to experience it than for me to harp in your ear.
23:55
SPEAKER_02: Like I'm not one to tell you what to do ever, right?
23:57
SPEAKER_02: I'll share information, you make your own choices.
24:00
SPEAKER_02: But you were like, whoa, this is crazy.
24:02
SPEAKER_02: And it was.
24:03
SPEAKER_01: And then fast forward, this would be, I don't know, 10 years from that moment.
24:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
24:10
SPEAKER_01: And we now have started to experiment with with and reintroducing sourdough, which is technically not gluten-free, but learning that fermented, you know, breads can ferment out some of the gluten or maybe some of the chemicals.
24:23
SPEAKER_01: I don't I don't know what it may be.
24:25
SPEAKER_02: The gluten, you still have to worry about the glyphosate, but yeah.
24:27
SPEAKER_01: So again, the evolution, right?
24:29
SPEAKER_01: Being open to learning and and new things.
24:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think it 100% has been evolution, and I think that like there's there's very few rules that I really feel like we live by, right?
24:40
SPEAKER_02: And I think because as you gain information, you change the rules.
24:44
SPEAKER_02: And I think our youngest son has such an issue with that, he'll tell me, You keep changing the rules on me.
24:49
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, well, as I gain more information, they're gonna keep changing, right?
24:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
24:53
SPEAKER_02: I mean, for years we were dairy free, and then we ate goat and sheep's cheese, and now I allow my I will I will buy mozzarella sticks because I'm like, cheese sticks are better than them eating chips.
25:06
SPEAKER_01: Well, also, I just had my blood work back, and one of the doctors' essentially prescriptions was eat a block of pecorino cheese every day because of whatever it had in it.
25:16
SPEAKER_02: Specific for you for whatever the nutrients that you were, you know, not were not optimized.
25:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
25:21
SPEAKER_02: So I think that we have to be open-minded and know that the food system's constantly changing, the laws are changing, you know, what our information is changing, they'll do new studies, and we have to be flexible and know that it's it's nothing is you know set in stone.
25:35
SPEAKER_02: I do have some, you know, like really nose, like like food dyes.
25:39
SPEAKER_01: So t tell us your absolute nose.
25:41
SPEAKER_02: Well, I don't smoke cigarettes anymore, but I used to, right?
25:44
SPEAKER_02: Like who would have thought?
25:45
SPEAKER_02: I used to smoke cigarettes when I drank for like a decade.
25:49
SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's wild.
25:50
SPEAKER_02: My dad used to make fun of me and be like, do you just run on the treadmill with a cigarette in your mouth?
25:54
SPEAKER_02: Like, now I do those a separate times, but I did I did both.
25:57
SPEAKER_02: But I have not smoked a cigarette since uh I got pregnant with our oldest son, so it's been like 15 years and no plans to do that.
26:05
SPEAKER_02: Um, I mean, currently gave up alcohol, although I think I will have some kind of balance of allowing some degree of alcohol in my life, but what that means, I don't know.
26:15
SPEAKER_02: But food dies are my big no-no for the kids.
26:18
SPEAKER_02: And do we break it?
26:20
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
26:21
SPEAKER_02: Very infrequently though.
26:22
SPEAKER_02: I mean, there are times where like Halloween, they will pick their candy that they get to that they get to keep and that I will not mess with or swap out with my better for you options, and I will I will let them have whatever they choose, even though I hate it.
26:37
SPEAKER_02: And I will also remind them when our youngest is bouncing off the walls and he can't sleep that it's because of the food dye.
26:44
SPEAKER_01: Well, I think that's one of the more interesting things about food dye that I remember is we used to tell the kids um about food dye and the the impact of it, and they would argue with us.
26:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
26:54
SPEAKER_01: And they actually argued that it made things taste better, which we had to we had to explain to them there is no taste associated with that.
27:00
SPEAKER_01: But it is an interesting visual cue when you see the color.
27:04
SPEAKER_02: You know, you red tastes better than brown.
27:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
27:07
SPEAKER_01: Um, but then I remember a time where we let uh one of our sons have food dye and he was out of his mind.
27:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
27:15
SPEAKER_01: And not only him recognized that he was out of his mind, but his brothers said, Wow, okay.
27:20
SPEAKER_01: And so it's become a joke now where if they're acting crazy, they must have had food die.
27:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
27:25
SPEAKER_02: And actually, our oldest now, he'll say, like, I can handle myself, and he can.
27:29
SPEAKER_02: And yet he can also see our youngest not being able to handle himself.
27:32
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, this it's still happening.
27:34
SPEAKER_02: The same chemical reaction is happening in your body as his body.
27:37
SPEAKER_02: He just doesn't have his brain is not developed enough to control it where yours can, right?
27:42
SPEAKER_02: And so I think that's good.
27:43
SPEAKER_02: I mean, uh, last year, I think it was, or maybe the year before that, Halloween, our youngest was so wound up that you had him do like a hundred jumping jacks.
27:51
SPEAKER_01: And he happily did them.
27:52
SPEAKER_02: He happily did them because he literally could not sit still.
27:55
SPEAKER_02: He was like off the charts.
27:56
SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, so Halloween's a really interest uh a really difficult one because of the norm, right?
28:01
SPEAKER_01: It's it's max candy, max sugar, max food diet, everything.
28:04
SPEAKER_01: And I I think the approach that we came up with is can be relevant to other people.
28:09
SPEAKER_01: It's not exclusive.
28:10
SPEAKER_01: It's not um, they're not uh what did you say earlier, they're not deprived.
28:16
SPEAKER_01: They're not deprived.
28:16
SPEAKER_01: They get the full experience, they get candy, but explain what the approach with Halloween is.
28:21
SPEAKER_02: So it's changed a little bit through the years, but essentially what and you know when they're small, it was much more strict.
28:27
SPEAKER_02: But now as they've gotten bigger, if you know, I want them to experience Halloween.
28:31
SPEAKER_02: And and it used to give me anxiety because I hated the whole thing, but now I feel like we're good.
28:34
SPEAKER_02: So we get to depending on their age, they get to eat a certain amount that that night while they're trick-or-treating.
28:41
SPEAKER_02: And then also depending on their age, I get to keep a certain number of candies.
28:45
SPEAKER_02: And so let's call that 10 to 20 that they get to keep in a jar and they can have one per day after Halloween, essentially.
28:53
SPEAKER_02: And then the rest they can swap out for my candy, which by the way, I buy the expensive stupid organic candy because to give out to people because I'm like, I'm not buying the traditional crap, I just can't bring myself to do it.
29:06
SPEAKER_02: So don't come to my house if you don't want to.
29:09
SPEAKER_02: That kind of thing.
29:10
SPEAKER_02: And so they can swap it out, or they can trade it in essentially for the switch witch who would will come and bring them a prize of some kind, usually Lego sets, or for the older boys, it can be cash because the switch witch no longer works.
29:29
SPEAKER_01: And so they never feel deprived.
29:31
SPEAKER_01: I mean, they might argue that they should get 11 pieces versus 10 or whatever may be, but there's no uh deprived, you know, nature to this.
29:40
SPEAKER_01: They're they're actually feeling like they're making out because they get a toy or money and candy in the experience.
29:46
SPEAKER_01: So I I I think that's a good example of like the balance that you've struck with our family.
29:50
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and you know, it's been interesting.
29:52
SPEAKER_02: We had Easter, I think it was with my brother's kids one year, and and they were like, oh, your MMs don't have M's on them.
30:01
SPEAKER_02: But they didn't think they tasted any different.
30:03
SPEAKER_02: They just didn't have an M, right?
30:04
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like These are limited editions.
30:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, our Easter buddy knows what kind of food we like.
30:09
SPEAKER_02: And so I don't know, I think there's a million decisions you make as a parent.
30:13
SPEAKER_02: And for me, I care deeply about what they eat.
30:17
SPEAKER_02: I think that it matters, and it's not, I think that you know, our bodies are our vessel, and it's the baseline for me to then work on my spiritual health, my mental health, everything else.
30:27
SPEAKER_02: Like the foundation though is my physical body, and so for me, I'm sensitive and I have to treat it well, and and and that means exercise and eat good food and drink clean water and all the things, so that then I can work on mental, spiritual, emotional health.
30:42
SPEAKER_02: And so that's just like the basic level of force.
30:45
SPEAKER_01: Well, that's that's the foundation.
30:46
SPEAKER_01: And and I think that's the interesting part is that there's a foundation and then there's all kinds of things that you could build on top of that.
30:52
SPEAKER_01: And so you can think about vitamins and supplementation, you can think about things like peptides or or even medications, you can think about practices, saunas, cold plunges.
31:02
SPEAKER_01: Right.
31:03
SPEAKER_01: What has been the most impactful for you in that next level?
31:07
SPEAKER_01: The foundation's now laid.
31:09
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
31:11
SPEAKER_02: Um hard to say.
31:13
SPEAKER_02: I've done so many things.
31:14
SPEAKER_02: I think that the sauna is huge for sure.
31:17
SPEAKER_02: I think exercise is not negotiable.
31:19
SPEAKER_02: It is like therapy for me.
31:21
SPEAKER_00: I would say exercise is foundational.
31:22
SPEAKER_02: Okay, that's foundational.
31:23
SPEAKER_00: Sleep is foundational.
31:24
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
31:25
SPEAKER_02: Um peptides I have had an interesting experience with.
31:30
SPEAKER_02: I'm not sure they've been game-changing for me.
31:33
SPEAKER_02: I think that you've you would probably say they've been more game-changing for you than they have been for me.
31:37
SPEAKER_02: Um but super interesting, and I'm a fan.
31:40
SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm a big fan of supplements, not just because I make one, but because I believe that our soils are depleted.
31:46
SPEAKER_02: And even me, who I feel like I eat really clean, I mean people will tell me like you eat better than anyone I know, and I still will end up with nutrition nutritional deficiencies because we do blood work regularly and I test.
31:58
SPEAKER_02: And so I'm a big fan of supplements.
32:00
SPEAKER_02: I think those make a big difference personally.
32:03
SPEAKER_01: There's been an argument that I've heard, which I thought was was a good one, which is supplements essentially sell you something that you should start taking, or supplement companies sell you something that you should start taking and essentially take forever.
32:17
SPEAKER_01: And and how do you know if you're getting any benefit of it?
32:20
SPEAKER_01: And that's kind of where people feel a bit of bullshit around the industry.
32:26
SPEAKER_01: What I think has been valuable for me, and I think you is actually doing the blood work to know the value of the supplements.
32:34
SPEAKER_01: Where do you need supplementation?
32:35
SPEAKER_01: What supplementation do you need?
32:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
32:37
SPEAKER_01: Maybe why, right?
32:38
SPEAKER_01: Are there foundational things you can change that will change that?
32:42
SPEAKER_01: And then implementing those supplements, but not in perpetuity for a specific time.
32:47
SPEAKER_01: Maybe that's until your next blood test, maybe that's until the next year, maybe it's forever.
32:52
SPEAKER_01: Right, depending on the supplement.
32:53
SPEAKER_01: Right.
32:54
SPEAKER_02: I think it's interesting because most supplements you don't necessarily feel different.
32:58
SPEAKER_02: Now, it's not true for all of them.
33:00
SPEAKER_02: I think magnesium for me, I will literally get restless leg syndrome if I don't take enough magnesium.
33:05
SPEAKER_02: So for me, it's like a clear sign, and I will probably take magnesium for the rest of my life.
33:08
SPEAKER_02: However, there's a lot of things I take that you don't necessarily know if it's doing anything in your body, and so uh blood work is huge.
33:16
SPEAKER_02: And oftentimes, if I know the science and I just know my body well enough, I'll think that I need this, regardless if I don't feel it.
33:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:24
SPEAKER_01: I remember when um I had my mercury fillings taken out in San Diego, and you know, I didn't realize it was such a big deal.
33:31
SPEAKER_01: It was like a hazmat scene, and they were, you know, they were really making sure there was no mercury leaching into me or in the the environment.
33:38
SPEAKER_01: And that our dentist at that point told me to take liposomal vitamin C, which I had never heard of at that time, and the recommended dose is one.
33:45
SPEAKER_01: And he said, take five today, take four tomorrow, three, two, one, and then you're done.
33:50
SPEAKER_01: And I thought that was pretty fascinating because I always thought of vitamin C as something you should be taking every day.
33:55
SPEAKER_01: Right.
33:56
SPEAKER_01: And then when I researched it a little bit more, you can.
33:58
SPEAKER_01: You can, but the really big benefits are when you need it, which is when you're essentially fighting something off.
34:04
SPEAKER_01: So I tell my team now, they they all laugh about it, but I preach them like if you're feeling a little bit sick, five, four, three, two, one of these of these types of vitamins.
34:12
SPEAKER_01: I think that's a different way to think about and look at supplements, but it takes a little bit of research and knowledge.
34:20
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, it does.
34:21
SPEAKER_02: I actually I think this is boring and nobody wants to talk about it, but I think the biggest thing beyond food that has made the biggest impact to my life has been meditation.
34:31
SPEAKER_02: Personally, I know that it's like oh yawn and nobody wants to hear about meditation.
34:34
SPEAKER_02: And I understand it's hard and it's it it's a practice and it's a daily practice, but personally that has moved the lever significantly for me.
34:44
SPEAKER_01: Well, so there's two parts of health and wellness.
34:46
SPEAKER_01: I think one is is what you take, eat, and the other is what you do.
34:51
SPEAKER_01: And so this would fall in the what you do bucket, right?
34:53
SPEAKER_01: You exercise, you you do a sauna, but you would put meditation right at the top of that, probably neck and neck with exercise.
35:01
SPEAKER_02: I probably would.
35:02
SPEAKER_02: Meh.
35:03
SPEAKER_02: Exercise might have a little bit more of an impact, but I believe that meditation is equally as important, but I prioritize exercise slightly more.
35:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
35:12
SPEAKER_02: I don't ever really fall out of the habit of some form of exercise.
35:15
SPEAKER_02: I do follow the habit of meditation all the time.
35:17
SPEAKER_02: It's always about coming back to it.
35:18
SPEAKER_02: It's not perfect, it's not daily, it's I would love for it to be.
35:21
SPEAKER_02: It's that's not the reality.
35:23
SPEAKER_02: But it's something I always come back to because it makes an impact in my life.
35:25
SPEAKER_01: And how does it make an impact?
35:28
SPEAKER_02: I mean small meditations like five minutes are amazing to reset.
35:34
SPEAKER_02: I think that we have such a busy world, such busy lives, and everybody does, right?
35:38
SPEAKER_02: You're juggling so many different things.
35:40
SPEAKER_02: And to take five or ten minutes and just be with yourself is grounding.
35:45
SPEAKER_02: It helps to clear out all of the noise.
35:48
SPEAKER_02: I will get insights and I'll get answers to things that I could stew over and stress over for hours, but if I just am quiet, they will become clear to me.
35:57
SPEAKER_02: And then deeper, like Doda Spenza, like deep meditation, that's like a whole nother level where where I feel like I have literally experienced God in those.
36:06
SPEAKER_02: That's that's a whole nother thing.
36:08
SPEAKER_02: But it's been, and I think through deep meditation, like his, probably through any kind of medica meditation, but you can physically heal your entire body.
36:15
SPEAKER_02: I have seen it, I have been to these retreats, and people come in wheelchairs and at the end they are pushing their own wheelchair, and this happens again and again and again, and people get on stage that they healed from all kinds of crazy things that they could not heal from.
36:29
SPEAKER_02: And the mind is so powerful, and that's what I come back to always is that and Dr.
36:33
SPEAKER_02: Joe will make fun of like gluten-free diets and all this stuff.
36:36
SPEAKER_02: And like for me, I'm like, you know, it's foundational.
36:37
SPEAKER_02: I need to feel good to be able to meditate, to be able to sit and have the attention span.
36:41
SPEAKER_02: If I'm not doing the things, the basics, like I can't, I don't have any attention span, so I have to have that first.
36:46
SPEAKER_02: However, then it's like you're just reminded that we are actually energetically deeply powerful beings, and we forget that we are, and when we can step back in that power, it's when we can live our lives in a completely different way than than just being in the rat race and in the scramble.
37:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you've you've gone much deeper into that than I have, but I can say from a starting point, just waking up early in the morning and and going downstairs before anyone's up, and for me that's a red light cap because I'm trying to keep whatever hair I have left and a red light on me.
37:18
SPEAKER_01: But reading the Bible, meditating uh is game-changing just because you start with a much calmer mentality rather than waking up immediately looking at your phone and and the science behind it is and then going spiking your cortisol and and stress levels.
37:32
SPEAKER_02: Aaron Powell Yeah, and keeping your brain waves like out of beta.
37:35
SPEAKER_02: Beta is very fast and where we all live throughout the entire day.
37:38
SPEAKER_02: But when you wake up, you're not in beta.
37:39
SPEAKER_02: When you fall asleep, you're not, you're in the uh slower brain waves.
37:42
SPEAKER_02: And so if you can, you know, spend some time in there, it's really beneficial and can be very healing.
37:47
SPEAKER_02: But what would you say the bigger biggest levers have been for you for health and wellness?
37:51
SPEAKER_01: Well, I think uh a diet definitely.
37:53
SPEAKER_01: I I hate to say diet because I don't diet, but the way we eat what you eat, right?
37:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's the way the way we eat, and I think you've been the protector of that.
38:01
SPEAKER_01: I I was strict gluten-free for a long time with you, and then I travel a lot, so I would find myself breaking that either out of convenience, like it was just difficult to find gluten-free options, or if I was going to a really good restaurant, I'm not gonna ask them to modify the the dish that I was trying to eat.
38:18
SPEAKER_01: Um, but diet has definitely been uh, or the way I eat has definitely been a game changer for me.
38:25
SPEAKER_01: Um in terms of supplementation, I would say the one that I'm uh seeing the most impact from recently or feeling the most impact from is fiber.
38:34
SPEAKER_01: You love your fiber.
38:35
SPEAKER_01: I I do.
38:36
SPEAKER_01: I feel so much better, and I think I would often get not a thing, I would often get bloated after meals and feel sluggish, and fiber has really helped me with that.
38:45
SPEAKER_01: I love peptides.
38:47
SPEAKER_01: Uh just to be clear, for me, peptides is not here's my opinion.
38:52
SPEAKER_01: We are a Western society, which means if one's good, two is better.
38:57
SPEAKER_01: Right.
38:57
SPEAKER_01: If something's working, let's just keep doing it, do it forever.
39:01
SPEAKER_01: Right.
39:01
SPEAKER_01: And I don't think that's the right approach with most things.
39:04
SPEAKER_01: I think most things are in cycles or seasons.
39:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
39:07
SPEAKER_01: And so I would apply that to peptides.
39:10
SPEAKER_01: Even going back, I would apply that to fasting.
39:12
SPEAKER_01: You don't fast all the time.
39:13
SPEAKER_01: You fast at certain seasons.
39:15
SPEAKER_01: Right.
39:16
SPEAKER_01: And that cleans up your body and lets your body heal and all these things, right?
39:19
SPEAKER_01: But you don't in uh if it's done too long, there's actually negative effects or could be.
39:24
SPEAKER_02: 100%.
39:25
SPEAKER_01: So the same thing applies to peptides.
39:26
SPEAKER_01: So I would um, you know, I microdose uh GLP2s or GLP3s, retitrutide or uh trisepatide for two reasons.
39:36
SPEAKER_01: One, a little bit uh edge off of weight, which I kind of can carry in my midsection.
39:41
SPEAKER_01: So I like that.
39:42
SPEAKER_01: Two, um, for me, the biggest issue is inflammation and and cardiac concerns, and so it can reduce inflammation.
39:50
SPEAKER_01: And I've noticed that it has probably made it easier not to drink or these other kind of urges.
39:56
SPEAKER_01: Uh, but I don't do it forever.
39:59
SPEAKER_01: I will use a bottle for however long it lasts, let's call that three months, and then I'll take a month or two off, and then I'll do it again.
40:07
SPEAKER_01: Um, I've noticed uh a really big benefit uh physically from CJC Ipamorelin, um which helped me put uh mass on.
40:17
SPEAKER_01: I noticed a huge difference from Tessamarellin because I can never get like a uh physique where I can show my abs.
40:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I won't even go as far as six-pack, just like kind of see the outline.
40:27
SPEAKER_01: And I noticed with that I do.
40:29
SPEAKER_01: The problem is as soon as you're off of it, that goes away.
40:32
SPEAKER_01: Um, but it's a nice jump starter prior to vacation or something.
40:35
SPEAKER_01: Uh I like those.
40:37
SPEAKER_01: Um, I mean, for me, functional patterns has been game-changing.
40:40
SPEAKER_01: I think that changed the way my body moves, and that's that's more of a foundational exercise, but kind of the form of exercise.
40:47
SPEAKER_01: Um, I loved the the ice bath for a while, especially after I came back from Iceland doing that Wim Hof training.
40:54
SPEAKER_01: Uh, I've gotten bad at it.
40:57
SPEAKER_01: And and I think I need to do it again because I can kind of feel the heat and the inflammation, and I know what it does for me.
41:04
SPEAKER_01: And then I've gotten bad at the sauna, but I think that really helps.
41:06
SPEAKER_01: Like the sauna at night, when I get out of the sauna, I feel exhausted in a good way.
41:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
41:12
SPEAKER_01: Just kind of like cleaned out.
41:14
SPEAKER_01: And um those are the ones that come to the top of mind.
41:17
SPEAKER_02: You know, listening to you, I was thinking that a lot of these things are very privileged things that we have, right?
41:23
SPEAKER_02: We have a sauna.
41:24
SPEAKER_02: We have all I mean, honestly, I think every year for Christmas I was asking for something like that.
41:29
SPEAKER_01: I mean, we just need to open up a wellness center to put this stuff to work.
41:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
41:33
SPEAKER_02: However, when I really think about what moves the needle the most, when you're starting at zero, it's all, it's almost all almost free.
41:45
SPEAKER_02: So if you want to like think think about replacing foods, foods are a little bit tricky actually.
41:52
SPEAKER_02: Organic food is more expensive, and so I don't have like a great solution for that.
41:55
SPEAKER_02: It just is, except for if you can grow your food, grow your food, you know, food co-ops, things like that.
42:00
SPEAKER_02: But let's talk about, you know, if you're sedentary, just getting up and walking outside.
42:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
42:05
SPEAKER_02: A, because it's movement, b because nature is so healing.
42:08
SPEAKER_02: And don't take your phone with you because like that time to just be is hugely beneficial.
42:16
SPEAKER_02: And so, like, start there, right?
42:18
SPEAKER_02: Like, we don't have to worry about the peptides necessarily unless you know I feel like we were we spent years and years building this foundation and then we added peptides on, right?
42:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and yes, you can start with the peptides, but like let's let's like think about where you can start.
42:31
SPEAKER_01: No, I 100% agree that the foundation is the is the part.
42:34
SPEAKER_01: And so, like, I'll think of it in terms of what what would four things be that I would do, especially on a limited budget.
42:41
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
42:42
SPEAKER_01: I agree with you about walking, not only for the physical exercise, I feel better, especially when we go walk in the morning.
42:48
SPEAKER_01: One of the benefits of having a dog, although I was not in favor of you don't like the dog, but the walking like you like.
42:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
42:54
SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, exercise, I I guess that could be walking.
42:58
SPEAKER_01: Um, I think cold exposure is really valuable, and you don't have to do, you don't have to pay for anything.
43:03
SPEAKER_01: Just turning the shower to cold, which I still do every day when I get out of the shower, just kind of like sparks you into action, right?
43:10
SPEAKER_01: So I would say that would be number two.
43:13
SPEAKER_02: Um research is actually interesting about cold exposure for women.
43:17
SPEAKER_02: So I was doing the cold plunge and I really felt a difference afterwards, and so I kind of fell in love with the feeling of it.
43:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
43:23
SPEAKER_02: And then there's been a lot of research saying that that cold, the level of cold that you like, like 40 degrees, is actually not beneficial for women.
43:32
SPEAKER_01: And I was going to think it depends on the time and your cycle and the end day.
43:37
SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of nuances to this.
43:39
SPEAKER_02: However, I do think that like the cold shower you can control, and it's not gonna be 40 degrees.
43:46
SPEAKER_02: So I think that there's something that you can play with, but I do just want to say that cold exposure in women is a complicated topic.
43:52
SPEAKER_01: The third one I would add is sleep, which which the there's two ways to address what I think has helped me sleep the most.
43:58
SPEAKER_01: One is turn the thermostat down, right?
44:00
SPEAKER_01: And and get it cold in the room.
44:02
SPEAKER_01: That really helped me.
44:03
SPEAKER_01: Or the second, a little more bougie way, is if you can get one of these, you know, um cooling bed mats, that would be number three.
44:09
SPEAKER_01: So there's a there's a economical way, and then I uh definitely food.
44:14
SPEAKER_01: I mean uh just eliminating the bad stuff, that doesn't cost any more money, right?
44:19
SPEAKER_01: But if you can incorporate the better stuff, uh meaning organic and natural foods, I think those are four like foundational, not requiring a huge extra budget steps.
44:30
SPEAKER_01: But what would you change your hands?
44:31
SPEAKER_02: I would add a couple things.
44:32
SPEAKER_02: I agree with you.
44:33
SPEAKER_02: I would definitely add stress management.
44:36
SPEAKER_02: I think that that's one of the biggest contributors to chronic disease we have right now.
44:42
SPEAKER_02: We all live these crazy fast lives.
44:45
SPEAKER_02: Everything is getting faster, right?
44:47
SPEAKER_02: And so how do you step away from that?
44:50
SPEAKER_02: How do you manage your stress?
44:51
SPEAKER_02: And I think there's a lot of different ways to do it.
44:53
SPEAKER_02: I think the walk outside in nature without your phone could be enough.
44:56
SPEAKER_02: I think you can do breath work, you can um breath work's another good one.
45:01
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you you can meditate, maybe just community, but doing something healthy like playing paddle instead of going to the bar.
45:08
SPEAKER_02: Um, community would be the other aspect of that.
45:10
SPEAKER_02: I think that we are meant to be with hu other humans and we need to connect on deep levels and we need to be able to have interesting conversations and and that also feeds our soul and our and our health, and I think that that's really important too.
45:24
SPEAKER_02: So I would just probably add add those with an emphasis on stress management.
45:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
45:28
SPEAKER_01: Look, I think this topic is something we could talk about for days, and maybe we'll do follow-up episodes on like certain, you know, aspects of it, depending on um, you know, the the interest back.
45:38
SPEAKER_01: But as always, this isn't the end, it's just the beginning.
45:41
SPEAKER_01: You know, we're we're talking about a question that we asked, which is, you know, with more tools and awareness and options around health, why are we sicker than ever?
45:49
SPEAKER_01: And I think it's a an interesting topic for others to have the discussion around as well.
45:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I think to break that down on a micro level, it's you know, how are you really doing?
45:58
SPEAKER_02: How do you actually feel and where could you improve in your life?
46:01
SPEAKER_02: And that doesn't have to be something big that could be as simple as taking a walk.
46:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there you go.
46:07
SPEAKER_02: All right.
46:07
SPEAKER_02: Well, thank you so much for being here.
46:08
SPEAKER_02: We appreciate you guys.
46:10
SPEAKER_02: And uh see you next week.