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Miles Mikolas joins CT · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to Cardinal Territory.
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  Speaker 2: I'm your host, Katie wu here with the very special
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  Speaker 2: guest Miles Michaelis is our player interview today. We are
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  Speaker 2: recording on Monday, April fourteenth, but you are seeing this
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  Speaker 2: on Wednesday, April sixteenth. Miles one of my personal faves.
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  Speaker 2: Always great to see you. Thank you so much for
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  Speaker 2: doing this today.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on a little a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of free time before I head into the field.
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  Speaker 4: So I thought this would be this would be fun.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so let's just go right into it.
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  Speaker 2: Your your fresh off a bounce back start, five innings,
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  Speaker 2: three yearn runs, and we've talked to like all spring
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  Speaker 2: and early season about the things that you're doing differently
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  Speaker 2: this year in terms of sequencing and essentially sounds weird
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  Speaker 2: not throwing as many strikes. Is that a difficult concept
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  Speaker 2: for you to fathom at first?
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  Speaker 3: Maybe a little bit, because you know, I grew up
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  Speaker 3: watching baseball a certain way and like reading certain you know,
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  Speaker 3: I had, you know, when I was in middle school,
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  Speaker 3: in high school, I had all the pitching books, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the Leo Mazzoni and the Noan Ryan Pitcher's Bible and
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  Speaker 3: all those things.
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  Speaker 4: And even in some of those books.
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  Speaker 3: Like they talk about like those two one two counts,
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  Speaker 3: you know, hitters are vulnerable. Hitters are vulnerable. A lot
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  Speaker 3: of guys are just trying to put the ball in play.
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  Speaker 3: And you can throw a quality pitch fairly close or
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  Speaker 3: in the strike zone on the edges, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: I feel like the hitters approach.
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  Speaker 4: Guys used to not like to strike out. So you
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  Speaker 4: saw a lot of like just oh, I want to
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  Speaker 4: put it in play kind of.
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  Speaker 3: Some of the two strikes, guys just trying not to
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  Speaker 3: strike out. And if you're nibbling at the edges of
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  Speaker 3: the zone and throwing strikes in those counts and the
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  Speaker 3: guy hitting has that mentality, you know, you're throwing quality pitches,
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  Speaker 3: quality strikes, and he's popping up and he's grabbing out
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  Speaker 3: and rolling over. But the way the game has changed,
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  Speaker 3: the way they with analytics and they value guys and
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  Speaker 3: they value players, guys don't have like a two. A
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  Speaker 3: lot of players don't have this two strike. I don't
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  Speaker 3: want to strike out, like check swing. There's a handful
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  Speaker 3: of guys, we know who they are. You know, they
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  Speaker 3: back it up with two strikes. They're just trying to
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  Speaker 3: sheet stuff, you know, down the first baseline, stand alive
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  Speaker 3: waist and pitches. But most guys are still trying to
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  Speaker 3: get off their a or you know, aus type swings
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  Speaker 3: even with two strikes, you know, trying to do damage
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  Speaker 3: and stuff like that. So all of a sudden, throwing
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  Speaker 3: pitches that are you know, anywhere close to the zone.
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  Speaker 4: It's it's almost like not even worth it.
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  Speaker 3: So so like for the philosophies and things to change
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  Speaker 3: is different. It's also interesting to be around the game
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  Speaker 3: long enough to see those those shifts. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: I've you know, drafted an nine you know, minor leagues
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  Speaker 3: debut in twelve, so it's been you know, thirteen years
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  Speaker 3: since my big league debut and I had my little
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  Speaker 3: Japanese hiatus, and this is my ninth here in the league.
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  Speaker 3: But I can only imagine the the changes that you know,
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  Speaker 3: the guys before me, like Wainwright and YACHTI saw from
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  Speaker 3: you know, two thousand and six, you know to two
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  Speaker 3: thousand and twenty five, how much the game change. So
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  Speaker 3: it's it's an interesting thing to be a part of
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  Speaker 3: something I kind of embrace a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's a great point. I mean, it's it's
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  Speaker 2: hard to stay in this league. It's hard to return
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  Speaker 2: to this league after some hiatuses if you will. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think what what people forget is like the longevity
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  Speaker 2: of this league says something about who you are as
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  Speaker 2: a pitcher and what you do. And it's adaptability that
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  Speaker 2: keeps you in this game. It can be really hard
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  Speaker 2: to tell a picture. Hey, you need to stop throwing strikes,
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  Speaker 2: which I know is not exactly crazy, but to simplify it.
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  Speaker 3: And and it's it's not to say I'm not throwing strikes,
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  Speaker 3: but I would rather have swinging strikes then because a
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  Speaker 3: lot of guys also aren't looking anymore. They're not they're
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  Speaker 3: not you know, anything close. Let a rip kid as
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  Speaker 3: opposed to this, like you know, and there's there's older guys.
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  Speaker 3: There's older guys where you can throw that like o
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  Speaker 3: too fastball, like down and away for the zone and
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  Speaker 3: they'll just get it to you.
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  Speaker 4: They're like, that's not my pitch. I'll give it to you.
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  Speaker 3: And but but the majority of the league is you know,
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  Speaker 3: if it's close, I'm swinging.
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  Speaker 4: So all you have to do is like be close.
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  Speaker 3: You know, guys are on guys are on green from
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  Speaker 3: from the get go.
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  Speaker 4: As a majority, I think, so.
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  Speaker 2: How do you incorporate what this new style? It's not
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  Speaker 2: like a necessarily new style of pitch. And we talked
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  Speaker 2: about this on Saturday, Like you've had swing and miss
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  Speaker 2: in your game before.
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  Speaker 1: It's just finding a different way to get there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then and it's it's you know, with it's
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  Speaker 3: another shift in the game, right because.
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  Speaker 4: It it all works together.
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  Speaker 3: Right, So if I want to throw, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: want to throw seven innings.
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  Speaker 4: I want to throw nine innings.
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  Speaker 3: I wanna through the whole game. They're not gonna let
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  Speaker 3: me throw one hundred and twenty pitches unless it's like
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  Speaker 3: a no hitter, right, They're gonna let you get two
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  Speaker 3: hundred like wherever that is five innings, six.
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  Speaker 4: Innings, seven innings.
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  Speaker 3: If you're getting past one hundred pitch, it's like a
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  Speaker 3: complete game shutout. Or you know, you're the ace, and
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  Speaker 3: it's the playoffs, even the ace in the playoffs guys
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  Speaker 3: getting pulled after one hundred pitches because bullpens are so stacked.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the you know you've got guys coming in
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  Speaker 3: the sixth seventh. It an't throw ninety seven to ninety
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  Speaker 3: eight hundred miles an hour on some teams, and it's like, sure,
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  Speaker 3: I'll get through five or six innings on one hundred pitches, Like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, do.
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  Speaker 4: You have to be happy with that now?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, when I came back in twenty eighteen, you know,
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  Speaker 3: blessed with having a guy like Weno on the staff
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  Speaker 3: and he's got all his one liners. You gotta go seven,
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  Speaker 3: you know, if you want the win, you gotta go seven.
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  Speaker 3: Like that's the mindset. And he came up in the
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  Speaker 3: early two thousands, mid mid you know, two thousand and six, seven,
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  Speaker 3: eight nine, and there was that men title like you're
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  Speaker 3: going seven innings regard, and that was almost like regardless
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  Speaker 3: of how many pitches you're throwing, you're going hundred hundred
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  Speaker 3: and ten hundred and twenty. They were just letting dudes go.
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  Speaker 3: With the injuries and stuff and all the information that
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  Speaker 3: they're having and the way that they're you know, going
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  Speaker 3: about it with everyone you know, doing what they're doing.
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  Speaker 4: You know that's changed and you just don't see it
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  Speaker 4: as much. And it's you know, if I want.
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  Speaker 3: To throw one hundred pitches, like I sidetracked back to
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  Speaker 3: my ooser point, if I want to get seven in
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  Speaker 3: in's and I only have one hundred pitches.
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  Speaker 4: I have to get some quick outs. I need contact.
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  Speaker 3: And if I get a guy oh two, waste one
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  Speaker 3: in the dirt, that's one two.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe he'll chase a fastball up. Now it's two two.
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  Speaker 4: Now it's you know, now he's battling. I'm battling. Now
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  Speaker 4: I have to finish. Get that.
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  Speaker 3: So maybe I'm throwing something on the corners and he
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  Speaker 3: fouls one or two off, and then maybe he takes
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  Speaker 3: a close pitch and all of a sudden, I went
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  Speaker 3: from O two and now it's full count and I've
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  Speaker 3: thrown seven pitches chasing a strikeout. Now I have to
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  Speaker 3: throw something where he's got weak contact, or maybe he
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  Speaker 3: strikes out looking finally, or he just he doesn't want
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  Speaker 3: to walk. He wants to hit so bad. I throw
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  Speaker 3: like a slider in the dirty, swings at it. Maybe
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  Speaker 3: they get the strikeout, maybe he grounds out, pap up
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  Speaker 3: gets a hit. But either way, I've now seven or
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  Speaker 3: eight pitches, when before I was like, oh two, Oh,
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  Speaker 3: I'll throw like a little curveball down the way.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe in the strike zone he's off balance.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe I sequence it right, and here's like my chopper
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  Speaker 3: to short there's an out in three pitches.
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  Speaker 4: I love that.
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  Speaker 3: There's a time for that, and there's a time for
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  Speaker 3: not that guy on third base, guy on second base,
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  Speaker 3: two outs, go for the strikeout.
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  Speaker 4: Don't let him put it in play, don't let him
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  Speaker 4: bloop it.
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  Speaker 3: So I think there's there there is a whole nuance
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  Speaker 3: to it as a whole picture, like am I chasing
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  Speaker 3: strikeouts from the get go?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I'd love to strike out everyone.
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  Speaker 3: Every picture would say that I'd love to strike out everybody,
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  Speaker 3: but that's not.
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  Speaker 4: Always the case.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, you see guys rack up pitch counts
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  Speaker 3: quick now because it's six or seven pitch to everybody
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  Speaker 3: and he strikes out or walks or you know, gets
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  Speaker 3: to full counter to two before the guy rolls over
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  Speaker 3: or pops up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point.
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  Speaker 4: And it's just everything.
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  Speaker 3: It's like everything compounds, and it's where do you want
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  Speaker 3: to be? I want to throw so many innings, but
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  Speaker 3: if I'm giving up runs early because I'm trying to
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  Speaker 3: do things on less pitches, well, I'm never going to
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  Speaker 3: get to the six inning anyway, because I gave up
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  Speaker 3: a couple of runs and now the bullpen's in the
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  Speaker 3: game because the game's tight, it's a one run game,
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  Speaker 3: as opposed to I got through five innings.
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  Speaker 4: Great, Like you know, am.
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  Speaker 3: I happy with that seven six years ago? No, because
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  Speaker 3: I want to go seven because everyone, you know, everyone
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  Speaker 3: wants to throw two hundred innings.
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  Speaker 4: You know, or more like you want to be a workhorse.
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  Speaker 4: But what what teams are looking for?
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  Speaker 3: That's that's more rare, and that's like more you know,
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  Speaker 3: more difficult than ever to to hit, you know, numbers
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  Speaker 3: like that. Teams are almost really just looking for you know,
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  Speaker 3: they would love us six or seven innings, but if
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  Speaker 3: you give them five innings or six innings of you know,
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  Speaker 3: one two, three run ball and they can get the
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  Speaker 3: bullpen involved and hope the offense clicks. You know, analytics
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  Speaker 3: are saying like that's great and it and you know,
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  Speaker 3: maybe it comes at the expense of you know, bullpen,
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  Speaker 3: like using more bullpen you know, bullpen arms and stuff
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  Speaker 3: like that. But you know, the what what teams want
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  Speaker 3: I think is even changing. I think that's some of
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  Speaker 3: the the overall issue with with baseball.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's I think you're spot on, because
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  Speaker 2: this is not like you know, when I was growing up,
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  Speaker 2: if you will, in high school and watching guys Adam's
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  Speaker 2: gonna hate this. When I was watching Adam Wayne right
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  Speaker 2: in high school, it was so.
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  Speaker 4: Was I in high school. So was I.
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  Speaker 1: There we go, see I'm not as bad.
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  Speaker 2: It'd be seven innings, and now you're seeing more of
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  Speaker 2: the five and dive is considered a good start because
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  Speaker 2: there are It used.
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  Speaker 4: To be five and dive. It's not five and dive anymore.
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  Speaker 4: It's like pat them on the back.
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  Speaker 3: You know. It's like, straight up, if you went five
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  Speaker 3: innings with maybe even like eight strikeouts, that threw one
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  Speaker 3: hundred pitches. Now, guys in the mid two thousands would
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  Speaker 3: have been like man element five things.
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  Speaker 4: They said, Hey, those strikeouts are great. I like it.
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  Speaker 3: I gave up to five innings. You know, it's you know,
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  Speaker 3: you give your team a chance, is your starting pitcher,
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  Speaker 3: keep your team in the game as long as you can,
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  Speaker 3: and ideally save the bullpen from getting you know it
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  Speaker 3: emptied out ideally, But yeah, it's things change.
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  Speaker 1: Times are changing.
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  Speaker 2: I want to get into a little bit about where
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  Speaker 2: you're at physically right now, how do you feel you're pitching?
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  Speaker 1: But first we got to do our first abage of
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  Speaker 6: No doubt. I was there today, I've been there before.
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  Speaker 6: Last time I was there, they gave me this killer gap.
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  Speaker 6: You look at that sweet spot, Scott, it is warm now.
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  Speaker 6: That is right in this sweet spot right there. So
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  Speaker 6: I went and got new clubs today, new irons. But
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  Speaker 2: Perfect segue. Because you're a golf guy, but only during season. Correct,
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  Speaker 2: you don't golf in the off season?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I you know, you only have I tell people
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  Speaker 4: a lot.
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  Speaker 3: You have time for like one hobby in the off season,
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  Speaker 3: even less than half a hobby if you have a
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  Speaker 3: family in the off season. So my off season hobby
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  Speaker 3: is fishing, but my end season hobby is mostly golf
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  Speaker 3: because it's harder to find places to fish, you know,
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  Speaker 3: when you're bouncing across the country.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so who's your like go to teammate that you
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  Speaker 2: play with? Do you have an ideal foursome? Like, what's
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  Speaker 2: your ideal golf day on the road?
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  Speaker 3: You know, ideally I like to get up early. My
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  Speaker 3: most ideal golf on the road ever, has I think been.
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  Speaker 3: We're playing Texas and the hotel we stay has a golf.
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  Speaker 4: Course on premise. Yeah, so like you just wake up.
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  Speaker 3: You know, eat breakfast and go downstairs or even just
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  Speaker 3: go play around at golf at eight o'clock, be the
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  Speaker 3: first one out, and I'm the first one in at
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  Speaker 3: like ten thirty. And I can need a late breakfast
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  Speaker 3: and not have to go anywhere. But I like to
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  Speaker 3: get up, get out early it's not too hot, and
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  Speaker 3: played a lot of golf in summer.
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  Speaker 4: Get it early, it's not too hot. And you know,
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  Speaker 4: the foursome has changed over the years.
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  Speaker 3: From when I got here, I had the pleasure of
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  Speaker 3: playing with guys like Adam Is a tremendous golfer, Bud
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  Speaker 3: Norris one of the better golfers I've ever played with,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Holland Waka Long. I mean, we had we
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  Speaker 3: had some good some good golf groups in the past.
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  Speaker 3: And now it's a little bit different. There's not as
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  Speaker 3: many golfers, but people are willing to go golfing.
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  Speaker 4: Andre Is is like learning to golf, so he's fine golfin.
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  Speaker 4: He's fun to take golfing. You know, Hellsley.
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  Speaker 3: Is getting better at golf. If it's an off day,
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  Speaker 3: the position players will get involved. Not as a great golfer, Sonny.
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  Speaker 3: I think of the guys I know that will beat
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  Speaker 3: me on a golf course is probably like Sonny and Aeronauta.
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: I was not familiar with Sonny's game. I knew Nolan
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  Speaker 1: was good. Sometimes he is really good, and I was
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  Speaker 1: really good golfer. I don't notice about Sunny.
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  Speaker 3: Sunny is a really good golfer. Steven Mattz can hit
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  Speaker 3: the golf ball like a country mile. He got three
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  Speaker 3: homers in the show. He swings right handed. And we
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  Speaker 3: golf the other day and I was like, hey, man,
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  Speaker 3: if if you approached golfing like your bullpen.
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  Speaker 4: You know you might be. He's like, He's like, no, man,
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  Speaker 4: I see that ball sitting there on the team. I
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  Speaker 4: just got to smash it. I'm like, all right, I
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  Speaker 4: like that. I like that style.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm that way most of the time.
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  Speaker 3: But if my score gets two out of hand, I
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  Speaker 3: try to try to rein it in a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: But we've got some good golfers. Everyone will golf a
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  Speaker 3: little bit. Lars Siani, you know some other guys I
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  Speaker 3: haven't golf with. Lebby said he's pretty good at golf.
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  Speaker 3: I needn't get him on the golf course. That would
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  Speaker 3: be fun. I just like being outside. You you know,
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  Speaker 3: you wake up on the road. Some places are tough.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna we run up in the Mets in a
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  Speaker 3: couple of days. That's a tough You know, you're in
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  Speaker 3: the city. If you're gonna play golf, it's like taking.
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  Speaker 4: An hour to get there. You gotta get It's tough.
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  Speaker 3: You ALUs have to if you're gonna play golf in
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  Speaker 3: New York, you have to really like go out out
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  Speaker 3: of Long Island and then just hit City Field on
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  Speaker 3: your way back in and then just take everything back
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  Speaker 3: with the bus at night before.
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  Speaker 1: Except I left my clubs at the front. I went
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  Speaker 1: out to satish Long Island.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not bringing my clubs to the press box on
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  Speaker 2: the subway, Are you kidding me?
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  Speaker 1: It was I was linked to work. It was fun though.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah we got Yeah, and then I think Sonny has
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  Speaker 3: has some really nice golf line up for us in Atlanta,
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  Speaker 3: so I'm excited about that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: It's like I said, I'd rather I'd rather be outside.
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: And every once in a while I'll go on like
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: golf now and just whatever course I can get.
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: It's closed, if it's a dog track, if it's nice
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: not nice, I don't really care. Sometimes I show up
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: and I have someone with me. It's just like I
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: got like the random Yeah, who was it? It was
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: like last year and it was the you know, the.
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: Like the sixty five year old guy who plays the
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: course like every Wednesday for like the last twenty years,
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: and he's got the first tea time out and he
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: goes off by himself. But I signed up for too
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: because I'm trying to get and just golf with random guy.
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: It's nice. I met him USU. He was a pretty
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: nice guy.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: That's how you make friends.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: You'll have to you have to update me on how
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: the golf in Atlanta does. I don't know if you've
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: ever played golf with Pedro. He's been a victim on the.
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: Show's Good Golfer, but.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: No one posted good shots.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: I think he's sandbagged me once, like the first time.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: He's like, oh, I'm not in good at golf, Like
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: I'm not really good, And he had his first ball
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: like right down the mill and I was like, you lie,
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: people lying snake.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: Well there there's been a lot of a lot of
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: posts on Instagram on Twitter of all of his bad shots,
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: and he is he's he said it does. He doesn't
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: think it's very fair because no one ever posts the
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: good shots, but I don't know I get to one.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: But apparently, yeah.
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: No one posts a picture of a minnow. It's always
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: a guy with the marlin.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: That's right, Miles, Where do you think you're at right now?
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, I know twenty three and twenty four did
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: not go the way you wanted, both from a team
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: performance and a personal performance. We'll call that Boston start
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: out the window. But I really thought on Saturday there
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: were some a lot of good things to look forward
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: or just to spin off of, especially coming after that
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: first inning.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you know, it's always nice to see
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: like weird swings when you throw some pitches, like guys
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: like the weird check swings or you know, guys not
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: seeing it.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: I think maybe I was hiding.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: The ball better the other day, you know, staying close
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: a little bit longer.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: But you know, my you know, physically, my.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: Body everything, everything feels great, which is one of those
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: things like you know, you do you want to like
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: be pitching great, but like maybe like you don't feel good,
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: like your body heards, you're like pitching through things, but
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: pitching the good or you know, I had a rough one,
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: but other than that, I feel good about my stuff.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: I like my stuff, and like, physically I feel really good,
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: So I know that, you know, things will only tread
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: in the right direction.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: Like I'm not battling anything. I'm not really battling any.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: Like unnormal soreness as far as like throwing or baseball goes.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: So I know that just as the season progresses, and
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: you know, there's like a running joke, my best fastballs
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: will come in August.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: Actually, yeah, you can actually go.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: I've actually I've looked, because you know, every year you
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: show up the spring training, you're like, damn, I swear
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: at the end of last year, I was strolling like
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: ninety five ninety six. Every once in a while, I
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: could really reach back, and like you're reaching back early
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: in the season, you're like, dang, I really wish it
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: was there.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: You're getting older, You're always thinking like did I lose it?
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: Is this?
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: It is this the year that I just don't have
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: any extra heat in the back pocket.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: And then I went on and looked, and it's like,
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: you know, there's this.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: Graph of like your fastball and my best ones are
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: always like July, August and even September some years. So yeah,
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: you know, you know I'm like like a sea biscuit,
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: you know, like the second half, you know, second half horse,
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: you know, coming from behind, underdog. Maybe I don't know,
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: but so there's like a running joke like, oh, you know,
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: I just got to get warmed up. The weather's it's cold,
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: the weather's got a.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Warm Yeah, I'll give you that, But no, I really
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: do think this stuff looks better. And you know, it's
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: it's a weird season. You're the longest tenured cardinal from
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: the major league team, and I get this is the
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: youngest clubhouse you and I have ever seen.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: So it's a little different. Everything's a little different. That's
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: all right.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: Different can be good. I mean we're we're hitting the
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: ball super good. We're hitting all so well. I mean
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: we got to Wheeler the other day, and and Nola.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: I mean that's too. The better guys in the league,
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: especially Wheeler and and Nola the last couple of years.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: So to get to those guys when we scored, you know,
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: we got to schemes in Pittsburgh, and most of the
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: games we lost, you know, aside from even in Boston,
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: like you know, the one game we lost in Boston,
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: you know, extra innings and all the games for the Angels,
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: you know, those games, all those close games are falling
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: our way, and.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: It's a it's it's it's a way different story.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: I don't think you guys are you know, seven and
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: eight before the Houston series. We'll see how this is
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: at the end of the month, but you know, stay
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: around right like right around five hundred.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: I think you guys will be just fine from there.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: But we'll see on the on the better half of that,
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: i'd like to imagine.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not doubting.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: I really do feel like this team has a lot
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: of positive attributes that we're probably not seen all the
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: way just because of the fan apathy and frustration based
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: off the off season, which, as you know, it doesn't
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: really have much to do with the players.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, and you know, we sweep the first
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: series and then I get like the weather's not great,
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: but like we sweep the first series, and then like
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: the first game of the next series is like not
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: as many people as you'd like to see at the game.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: You know, sometimes the fan base will turn around that
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: they swept the series. They're back, They're great, this is
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: gonna be awesome, Like, let's go people are holding back.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: I understand they're they're they're a little bit wary of us.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: But we got some great baseball coming up, especially if
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: this weather gets nice and hopefully the seeds start filling
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: up a little bit better.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: And one thing you and I both know about Cardinals
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: fans is that the Cardinals continue to win, the fans
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: will show up.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I don't think they see it.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, you know, for for the sake
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: of argument, Yeah, there's there's winning team, there's entertaining teams.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: We're very entertaining.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: You guys are very entertaining.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: The salesman in me is gonna pitch.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: You know, come, come out to the game, enjoy the game,
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: Enjoy the weather, especially in the spring when it's still
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: nice in August when it's one hundred for those day games.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: I understand that, you know, you want to make sure
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: you get a seat in the shade, but right now,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: fill up the stadium. The weather's nice, Come out and watch,
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: you know, watch the ball game, Appreciate the effort that
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: we're putting forth, and and enjoy it.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Miles were almost set time here, but I did want
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: to deserve some time for your rant on youth sports.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: And if you've ever listened to a Miles Michael's rant,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: it can go anywhere. So I'm listening and the floor
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: is yours.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: All I want to.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Say is like the emphasis on winning and the stuff
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: that I hear from other people, like emphasis on winning
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: at a young age, like I've had almost enough of it.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Maybe like that eleven to twelve, like the Little Big
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: World series age, then we can really focus on winning.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: But you got like machine pitch coaches arguing about how
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: many runs they scored kids six or seven years old.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: I think it's fun, Like with the walkup songs, I
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: think it's fun.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: Some of the stuff.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: I can't believe that the parents letting their children listen
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: to some of the music. I hope it's an edited
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: version even if it's not, like it's suggestive and kids
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: don't know what the words mean sometimes. But you know,
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: my kids listen to like the classic country, classic rock,
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: you know, things like that, and there's there's messages in
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: all the music. But some of the walkout songs, the
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: kids come out, So I'm like, that's not appropriate even
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: to editing, I don't think. But you also you don't
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: need to walk out song. I get like they want
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: to have the slag. They want to be like the
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: pros they see on TV. But I think it's a
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: little much. I mean, when I was in a little league,
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: all you had to do was were your hat backwards
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: like hanger for junior, and that was like the big thing.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: Now it's like, you know, arm inviting me.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: I heard someone complain his kids were a little older.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: I heard of a friend of mine complaining they they're
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: kids like ten years old, and they allow steals. The
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: kid gets on first base, he steals second. No catchers
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: can throw the ball to second base because he's only
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: ten years old.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: And then it's a bad throw, and then the kid
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: runs the third. Every hit is a triple stop, the stealing, stop,
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: rushing these kids.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: Let them work on the skills and the fundamentals, especially
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: at a younger age. In this machine pitch league. They
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: you know, like a routine ground ball to shortstop. Sometimes
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: the coaches will tell the shortstop to just eat it,
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: like don't throw it.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: Because if he throws it, it's a fifty to fifty.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: Chance or probably better than that, that the ball goes
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: to the fence and that the kid's going to be
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: on second base. If I was running these leagues. There's
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: no taking an extra base unless it's like a throw
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: to third base, you know, like maybe getting a force
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: out and then the guy can score, Like you can
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: take home plate if it's a bath, or to third.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: But like, let the kid run first base, let him
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: run all the way through. Make the kid at shortstop
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: or third base make the throw. Let him practice the
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: throw in real time, whether the guy safe or out
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: or he throws it over his head or throw his legs.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: But let him make the throw and leave the kid
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: on first base. Keep the force play at second base
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: in line so the kids can learn that when there's
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: a guy on first that you feel it, then you
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: can get an easier out at.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: Second because you end up with ground ball, short stoff.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: The kid throws it at the first base or you
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: know whatever, he's on second. Now there's no force play.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: Now the kids don't understand. They get the ball, the
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: kids on second, they're not understanding, like where to do
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: they throw it to third? But it's not a force
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: and it just like it it messes with the whole
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: flow of the game.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: Like, let him play the game the right way.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Encourage them to throw and make the play it, not
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: just like, oh, don't make an error, don't throw it
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: That drives me nuts. I'm like, throw the ball, just
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: throw it.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: And if I was a coach, when I am a
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: coach in the future, I'll try to get the other
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: coaches on board.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: I'll be like, hey, let's not take extra bases today.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: Let the kid throw it.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: Let's not take extra bases. I bet you the game
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: will go buy faster. The kid will still be safe,
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: he won't be out. Like keep the force play alive.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: The game might even move, The game would move quicker.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Maybe guys would get more bats or more reps and
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: this like it just you know, let them play, let
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: them play, let them let them develop. And then like
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: the kids doing the travel ball seven eight years old
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: travel team. There used to be one travel team in
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: Jupiter when I was growing up.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: When I got a little older, there were maybe two.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: Now there's like, you know, you.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Have like organizations, Yeah, like you know, the the Jupiter
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Whoever's they've got a ten or twelve and a fourteen
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: year old team. They've got an A team and a
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: B team for each age. And it's like, I don't know,
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know what we're doing. I didn't play. I
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: don't think I played travel ball. Really, you know, you
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: play Little League and then you play All Stars. I
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: know it's different now, but I think the I think
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: the reps are good. But driving halfway across the state
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: for nine year olds to have six of bets off
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: a coach or a machine and then not even throw
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: the ball across the diamond because they're worried about making
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: an air and the kids taking second base, I don't
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: I don't get it. And I read an article or
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: an excerpt from an article that was talking about the
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Tommy John surgeries over the last however long, and it
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: was twenty of them. Out of the twenty pictures, nineteen
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: of them were American born pictures, and one of them
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: was a Latin player. And it was a knock on
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: the travel ball, Like just do everything you can to
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: throw hard at a young age, and you know, mechanics
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: be danged, or you know, your body be darned, just
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: you gotta throw hard.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: You gotta throw hard, you gotta throw hard.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: And these kids are blown out, you know, younger than ever,
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: earlier than ever, and like.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: More often they ever travel culture.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: Not it, No, it's not and that that was the
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: whole point, is that at some point there has to
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: be a shift in the way that travel ball and
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: all these things kind of work so kids can stay
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: healthy and baseball can stay you know, the way it is.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: For those of you wondering what reporters and players talk
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: about in the hour of clubhouse every day, that that's
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Very little work. Some some reporters do work, not not
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: necessarily me.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Uh, my favorite thing about you, Miles is that I
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: never know what we're going to talk about.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: We've done.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, we've talked about the carnivore diet, We've talked about.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: This, so many things, like there's so.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: Many things going on in the you know, in today's
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: day and age.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: There's always you know, all I do.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: Is, you know, read the internet news for just a
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: for just a minute and got all different stuff.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: We never run out of things to talk about. I
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: also noticed that you've had a baseball in your hand
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: this entire podcast, and I've had a pen in my
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: hand this entire time. I think this is a true
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know, and body is the we're just master masters.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Of our craft.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: Lyndy had a great game the other day. Always has
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: a baseball in his hand. I'm seeing if maybe that's the.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Sunny does too.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: Sonny always has, always, always in a baseball, always like
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: messing with the grip. I'm on, you know, working on
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: your grips. So some days some grips feel great and
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: some days they feel like I don't even want to,
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Like I'm kind of like wash my hands on it.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: No, I don't want it.
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Well, hopefully your next start, which is Friday against the
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: New York Mets, is another great one.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: We'll see, but I.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Know you have to get to the stadium and so
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: do I. So, hey, thank you so much for doing this.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: I always appreciate it time outside of the work hours. Yeah,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: that's Miles Michaelis. You know him, you love him. I'm
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Katie Wu. This is Cardinal Territory. We'll be back later
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: in the week, Bernie Michlas and I will wrap up
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: the Astro series.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Until then, thanks for watching, Myles. I'll see you in
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: a little bit.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: Thank you so much, See you later.