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Missing Jayme Closs -- Wisconsin girl disappears as both parents are shot dead at home · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Grace in this small town of the news traveled fast
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Speaker 1: from the w t m J Breaking News Center and
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Speaker 1: Amber alert issued for a thirteen year old from Baron
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Speaker 1: Jamie Cross has been missing for nearly twenty four hours. Now,
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Speaker 1: every scenario starts racing through your mind. You know where
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Speaker 1: is she? Is she okay? Is she scared? Christine Fink
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Speaker 1: has taught Jamie dance for the past seven years. She's
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Speaker 1: one of the kids here and I we just have
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Speaker 1: to find her. Jamie went missing overnight from this home
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Speaker 1: off Highway eight, according to the Sheriff's Department. That's where
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Speaker 1: she lived with her parents. Just after one am, Sheriff's
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Speaker 1: Department responded to a nine one one call here and
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Speaker 1: found James and Denise Class debt tipline tipline eight five
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Speaker 1: five five seven four four three eight seven nine. Police
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Speaker 1: now tracing a nine one one call after a Wisconsin girl,
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Speaker 1: a little Wisconsin girl goes missing and her parents found dead.
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Speaker 1: The search is on right now for Jamie Class Imancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: You were just hearing our friend at k A r
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Speaker 1: E t VS. Danny Spewalk reporting along with Christine Fink,
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Speaker 1: who runs a dance studio where Jamie was a student.
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Speaker 1: Where is this girl? Straight out to John Limley, Crime
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Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter where you can find the
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Speaker 1: whole story as it's progressing. John Limley first, Who, what, Where? When? Why?
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Speaker 1: Hit me? Nancy? This case is just about his heartbreaking
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Speaker 1: and his baffling as they come. One of the Class
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Speaker 1: family's relatives, Ed Downing, says that this is a family
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Speaker 1: that was happy, go lucky. Those are his words. Uh.
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Speaker 1: Ed says that Denise and Jamie especially got along exceptionally well.
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Speaker 1: Jamie a bright, intelligent girl, always with a big smile
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Speaker 1: on her face, just like her mother. And as for
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Speaker 1: the whole family, they always seemed like everything was going
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Speaker 1: great for them. Both Denise and her husband, James Class
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Speaker 1: worked at Jenny O, a turkey plant in Baron. This
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Speaker 1: is a town of about thirty people. Need to tell
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Speaker 1: me about Gennio because that's what we used for Thanksgiving
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Speaker 1: and Christmas. You can't mess it up. I wonder where that. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you gotta get one. One time, I got one all
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Speaker 1: the way in California and put in the cargo bay
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Speaker 1: so I could get it back. Okay, forget about Jenny.
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Speaker 1: I want to get back to this because I'm telling
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Speaker 1: you what's really disturbing me. John Limley, you're kind of
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Speaker 1: burying the lead, Limly, because this little girl, Jamie class
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Speaker 1: right now, cops deploying k nines and releasing brand new
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Speaker 1: photos of Jamie, the little girl who's missing. Parents found
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Speaker 1: dead in the family Wisconsin home. Because we are learning
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Speaker 1: now from relatives, those sources that the front door of
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Speaker 1: the house was shot in and the parents were shot dead.
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Speaker 1: The little girl is gone, Limly, is that correct? That
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Speaker 1: is correct? This is the wee hours of Monday morning.
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Speaker 1: The Baron County Sheriff's Department receives a strange nine one
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Speaker 1: one call. It's almost like a misplaced call, like when
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Speaker 1: you accidentally place a call. There's lots of shuffling, a
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Speaker 1: lot of noise in the background. According to some sources,
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Speaker 1: the uh the word help is heard in the background.
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Speaker 1: As with such aces, of course, officers are dispatched. They
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Speaker 1: find the two adults dead inside and as you said,
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Speaker 1: a violent scene involving gunshots. I want you to take
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Speaker 1: a listen to more reporting what we are learning right
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Speaker 1: now about Jamie's disappearance. Boom and then boom. Just seconds
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Speaker 1: after this neighbor heard two gunshots. Other than that, Sheriff
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Speaker 1: Chris Fitzgerald says the home seemed in order with cars
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Speaker 1: still in the driveway, and we believe everything is accounted. Um,
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Speaker 1: we just don't know where this thirteen year old girl
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Speaker 1: is and Jamie Claus is her name. By three thirty pm,
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Speaker 1: and Amber Alert had been issued, meaning law enforcement has
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Speaker 1: reason to believe in abduction occurred and that Jamie could
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Speaker 1: be in immediate danger. The FBI and National Center for
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Speaker 1: Missing and Exploited Children are working on this case, but
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Speaker 1: they have not said anything about how Jamie disappeared or
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Speaker 1: who may have taken her with me. In addition to
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Speaker 1: John Limley, Crime online dot com reporter Ashley Wilcot, Juveni'll
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Speaker 1: judge lawyer, founder of child crime watch dot com. Dr
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Speaker 1: Brian Russell, lawyer, psychologist, host of the hit show Fatal
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Speaker 1: Vows on Investigation, Discovery and forensics, expert Professor Forensics Jacksonville
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Speaker 1: State University and author of Blood Beneath My Feet. Joseph
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan Ashley, the door is shot in, both parents dead.
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Speaker 1: You just heard a neighbor along with Danny Spiewalk describing
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Speaker 1: hearing two gunshot wounds only and she's gone. The cars
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Speaker 1: are in the driveway. That tells me there was no carjack.
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Speaker 1: They said the house was in order. That means no robbery.
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Speaker 1: What does that mean? No sex attack? They went in
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Speaker 1: to get the girl, Ashley, right, and so she's a victim.
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Speaker 1: Whether she walked out literally on her own two feet,
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Speaker 1: or was abducted carried out. Either way, she was abducted.
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Speaker 1: She's the victim. It reminds me of a smart it
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Speaker 1: really does, because she's been abducted. I think she's still alive.
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Speaker 1: Hopes and prayers she's still alive, but who knows what
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Speaker 1: purposes they've taken her for and she's now a victim
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Speaker 1: and has been kidnapped. I want you to take a
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Speaker 1: listen to Jamie Claus's dance instructorcared that nobody knows anything,
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Speaker 1: I think says she had just been texting with Denise
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Speaker 1: Class over the weekend about Jamie's dance schedule today. Coming
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Speaker 1: into work, I was going to try to find another
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Speaker 1: class for her, and instead we're doing that. I think
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Speaker 1: described the feeling in town as a panic. But there's nothing,
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Speaker 1: there's no information, and somebody needs to come forward with
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Speaker 1: some information. We have to find her. To Dr Brian Russell,
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Speaker 1: host of I d s hit series Fatal Vows Think
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Speaker 1: about it. Dr Brian think she is on a dance team.
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Speaker 1: She is also a runner in the cross country team.
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Speaker 1: She this little girl who was is turned thirteen, she's
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Speaker 1: just a little over twelve years old, is in a
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Speaker 1: lot of positions where predators can see her. Not only that,
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Speaker 1: but she's also and involved enough and connected enough to things.
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Speaker 1: Is one of the things that we look at when
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Speaker 1: we're trying to figure out if somebody is a runaway
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Speaker 1: or somebody is you know, taken against their will, is
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Speaker 1: were they enjoying things they were involved in? Did they
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Speaker 1: have plans to see people and do things in the
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Speaker 1: near future. And it sounds like this girl really did.
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Speaker 1: And also obviously, you know, the shooting in at the
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Speaker 1: front door suggests that you know, she was not you know,
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Speaker 1: involved in letting the people into the house who were
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Speaker 1: involved in doing the shooting or anything like that. But
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Speaker 1: it just it all comes together to sort of further
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Speaker 1: the idea that this is not what I think maybe
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Speaker 1: a lot of people might have assumed when they first heard, okay, uh,
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Speaker 1: these two parents are killed in the girl is missing
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Speaker 1: that that maybe you know, she and a boyfriend did it.
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Speaker 1: Or something into God. Yeah, we're not hearing that. And
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Speaker 1: you know what, Dr Brian, I don't think that happened,
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Speaker 1: and I never even suspected it. But there are those
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Speaker 1: bizarre cases where the child is involved. Joseph Scott Morrigan,
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Speaker 1: the sheriff, is saying she is not a suspect, the
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Speaker 1: little girl, she's a victim, right, Yeah, yeah, that's what
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Speaker 1: I'm hearing, Nancy. And back to the scene. I'm thinking,
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Speaker 1: you know, wy fire through the door, if that is
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Speaker 1: in fact what happened. Uh, we're hearing the neighbors saying
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Speaker 1: that they heard gunshots and uh it has at least
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Speaker 1: been alluded to that the parents have been shot as well.
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Speaker 1: Is this And this is another big concern I have, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: there's no guarantee that this little girl has not been
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Speaker 1: harmed in all of this, including trying to specuber the house.
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Speaker 1: You can imagine how terrified she was if she was
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Speaker 1: present when her parents were murdered. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: the Baron County Sheriff Christmas SHERYLD Middle School where she
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Speaker 1: attends school. We have officers are today working with anybody
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Speaker 1: that may have any bit of information. Well, I won't
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Speaker 1: say the public. There's no immediate danger that we know of,
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Speaker 1: but we don't. We have a lot of unknowns in
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Speaker 1: this case. And that's the frustrating part in the law
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Speaker 1: enforce of world is the unknowns that we were hitting
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Speaker 1: with this case. So to say the public is not
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Speaker 1: in danger, I can't say that, but I want the
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Speaker 1: public to be aware. We know of no immediate danger
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Speaker 1: tipline eight five five seven four four three eight seven
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Speaker 1: nine repeat eight five five seven four four three eight
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Speaker 1: seven nine in this small town of thirty The news
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Speaker 1: traveled fast from the w t m J Breaking News
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Speaker 1: Center and amber alert issued for a thirteen year old
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Speaker 1: from Baron. Jamie Coross has been missing for nearly twenty
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Speaker 1: four hours. Now, every scenario starts racing through your mind.
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Speaker 1: You know where is she? Is she okay? Is she scared?
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Speaker 1: Christine Fink has taught Jamie dance for the past seven years.
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Speaker 1: She's one of the kids here and I we just
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Speaker 1: have to find her. Jamie went missing overnight from this
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Speaker 1: home off Highway eight, according to the Sheriff's Department. That's
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Speaker 1: where she lived with her parents. Just after one am,
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Speaker 1: the Sheriff's department responded to a nine one one call
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Speaker 1: here and found James and Denise Class Day. We are
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Speaker 1: taking your calls everyone. This little girl who has just
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Speaker 1: turned thirteen years old, Jamie Class, is missing from her
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Speaker 1: family's home in Wisconsin. The mother and the father have
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Speaker 1: been found dead the front door. According to family sources,
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Speaker 1: they're telling us the front door was shot in to
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Speaker 1: open it. Clearly whoever it was didn't have a key,
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Speaker 1: did not have access, and the doors were locked with
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Speaker 1: the parents and the little girl inside. Just like we are.
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Speaker 1: Every night, you go to sleep with your children tucked
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Speaker 1: in bed. That's what the Class family did. They never
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Speaker 1: woke up. A neighbor reports hearing two distinct gun shots.
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Speaker 1: There are two gunshot victims. Clearly they were shot and
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Speaker 1: that's their mode of death. Although police are not releasing it. Jamie,
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Speaker 1: the little girl is missing. We are taking your calls.
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Speaker 1: Nine zero nine four nine crime nine zero nine four
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Speaker 1: nine two seven four six three Straight out to Stacy
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Speaker 1: in Alabama. Hi, Stacy, what's your question? Dear Hi Nancy.
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Speaker 1: I have been um consumed by this since I started
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Speaker 1: reading about it, and my question is you guys have
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Speaker 1: kind of already answered. There's no question that you guys
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Speaker 1: are saying that there was an involvement by the child.
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Speaker 1: Is that correct. Well, in the last hours police in
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Speaker 1: Wisconsin they have said she, the little girl Jamie Class,
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Speaker 1: is not a suspect. And you know, there's bizarre cases
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Speaker 1: that I have reported on many times, said, dating back
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Speaker 1: to my days at court TV. I'll never forget the
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Speaker 1: very first one that I covered. A young girl shot
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Speaker 1: her mother and she wore her um let's see house
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Speaker 1: roband backwards to cover her chest and like a shower
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Speaker 1: cap so blood spatter would not get on her body.
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Speaker 1: She shot her mother because the mother would not let
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Speaker 1: her date a much older boyfriend, like a nineteen year
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Speaker 1: old boyfriend, and she was thirteen or fourteen, so she
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Speaker 1: shot the mother dead. Uh, there's been a lot of cases,
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Speaker 1: well not a lot, but there have been several cases
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Speaker 1: where the child is involved, typically because the parents intervene
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Speaker 1: in a love triangle. There is no indication at all
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Speaker 1: that that has happened here. In fact, police are coming
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Speaker 1: out and saying she's not a suspect, she's a victim.
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Speaker 1: Is that your question, miss Stacy? Actually yes, And also
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Speaker 1: I'm curious to see what computer forensics will find out.
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Speaker 1: Has she been talking to someone online you know, what
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Speaker 1: are the male figures in her life? Because you know
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Speaker 1: this sounds like a male crime. Shooting through the door. Um,
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Speaker 1: I would just be curious to see what kind of
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Speaker 1: comes uncovered as far as you know her online contact,
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Speaker 1: you know what, you just stay with me. Stacy in
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Speaker 1: Alabama to Dr Brian Russell, lawyer, psychologists and host of
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Speaker 1: Ideas Hit Fatal Vow series. Stacy just said something very
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Speaker 1: important and that is it's a male crime. And I'll
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Speaker 1: follow it with you, Joe Scott, because statistically she's right
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Speaker 1: on women typically and I'm not judging or commenting in
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Speaker 1: any way, just statistically, do not shoot a door in
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Speaker 1: Dr Brian. So I'm pretty sure we're looking for a
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Speaker 1: male Yeah, I think absolutely. And when you think about this,
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Speaker 1: that the um shooting through the door and then which
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Speaker 1: is an awfully messy way to enter a home. It's
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Speaker 1: a messy wave even to forcibly enter a home, and
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Speaker 1: then you get inside, and what we're hearing for the
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Speaker 1: neighbors apparently is one gun shot per parent, which is
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Speaker 1: a fairly clean way to basically execute two people. And
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Speaker 1: it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It's
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Speaker 1: like you're you're gonna you're gonna come in with with
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Speaker 1: guns blazing to get into the house, and then you're
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Speaker 1: gonna come in and you're gonna you're gonna show restraint
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Speaker 1: and do a very efficient job once you get in there. Um,
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Speaker 1: it's nothing. Is that really adding up to what we
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Speaker 1: normally would see? You know, usually if somebody is enraged
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Speaker 1: for some reason and they're going in with guns blazing,
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Speaker 1: then they get inside and the guns keep blazing, and
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Speaker 1: the parents would each have, you know, five ten shots.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm just thinking about what you're signed, Dr
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Speaker 1: Brian Russell, And you're right. Because the neighbor says you're
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Speaker 1: he she her two shots, you would assume that's one
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Speaker 1: shot per parent. But what about shooting the door open?
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Speaker 1: What about those shots? And your theory that if you're
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Speaker 1: so angry and your guns blazing, as you say, and
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Speaker 1: you shoot open the door, and then why would you
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Speaker 1: do us very cleanly, concisely used one bullet prepared. The
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Speaker 1: only explanation I would have is the neighbor didn't wake
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Speaker 1: up during the first series of shots and only heard
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Speaker 1: two shots. That's the only thing I can come up with.
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Speaker 1: But hold on, just a moment, we're getting a little
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Speaker 1: bit more information. John Limley, Crime online dot Com reporter,
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Speaker 1: I'm just learning now that um on the call. As
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Speaker 1: you said, you can hear a call for help a
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Speaker 1: little information. But we do know that the weapon was
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Speaker 1: not found nearby. They have searched carefully for the weapon.
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Speaker 1: That tells me that the perps or perps were in
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Speaker 1: a car and took the weapon with them. That means
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Speaker 1: they came with a weapon, They left with a weapon.
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Speaker 1: This was their intent to kill. What about it, John Lily,
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Speaker 1: what do you know about the weapon? Just as striking
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Speaker 1: as what was in the home, the bodies of the parents,
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Speaker 1: is what was not found there. Who was not found there?
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Speaker 1: Both the weapon and of course thirteen year old Jamie.
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Speaker 1: She was actually seen by a family member just the
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Speaker 1: night before at a family gathering that she attended. Authorities
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Speaker 1: believed that she was though in the home when her
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Speaker 1: parents were killed. Officials say gunshots were involved, but they
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Speaker 1: didn't describe the situation any further. Little Jamie could not
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Speaker 1: be located after the Barron County Sheriff's Office got that
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Speaker 1: nine one one call around one a m. Central time,
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Speaker 1: that's two a m. Eastern from an address there in
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Speaker 1: the town of Barron, which is about forty five miles
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Speaker 1: northwest though Claire, Wisconsin. Now the sheriff as Gerald said
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Speaker 1: he could hear some kind of yelling muffled yelling on
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Speaker 1: the call, including a cry for help, but they gave
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Speaker 1: very little information beyond that. Take a listen to Sheriff Fitzgerald.
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Speaker 1: One call was given that night from the residents on
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Speaker 1: a cell phone, UM, but no contact was made with
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Speaker 1: somebody that was on the other line. And that's what's
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Speaker 1: unusual about that nine on one call. There was no
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Speaker 1: one communicating with our dispatch the word help. Did you
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Speaker 1: hear that? The dispatcher and hearing that, I don't know that.
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Speaker 1: If I don't know if the word help was said,
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Speaker 1: I can't comment on that. I don't know what that
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Speaker 1: was said. UM. But there was some kind of disturbance
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Speaker 1: going on, and that's why law enforcement was sent to
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Speaker 1: the hall. To Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert, joining us, everybody,
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Speaker 1: we are bringing you this story live. We are taking
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Speaker 1: your calls at nine nine Crime nine O nine four
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Speaker 1: nine two seven four six three the tip line to
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Speaker 1: bring Jamie home eight five five seven four four three eight, seven, nine,
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Speaker 1: eight five, five, seven, four four three eight seven nine.
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Speaker 1: Especially you listening right now on your mobile devices or
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Speaker 1: on Sirius XM, keep your eyes open, all you truckers
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Speaker 1: joined together, help us find Jamie. She was taken alive
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Speaker 1: for a reason. She was taken. She appears to be
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Speaker 1: the target. Joseph's got Morgan way in. You know. One
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Speaker 1: of the other things I'm thinking about, Nancy, is what
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Speaker 1: population centers are nearby within easy driving distance. You had
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Speaker 1: mentioned one town, but I've got to tell you, I
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Speaker 1: think that the Twin cities are only about an hour
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Speaker 1: and a half hour and forty five minutes to the
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Speaker 1: almost the do well not do but south southwest of
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Speaker 1: what this location, We've got Chicago. That's not too far away.
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Speaker 1: So could these individuals be headed there. Another thing that
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Speaker 1: I'd like to think about is what kind of connection
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Speaker 1: would this little family have in this little bitty town. Uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, it's not necessarily out in the middle of nowhere,
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Speaker 1: but it's kind of isolated. What kind of connection would
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Speaker 1: they have with two individuals that would come in potentially
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Speaker 1: two individuals and kidnapped this little girl after slaughtering her
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Speaker 1: parents for the second day, in a row. Investigators searched
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Speaker 1: this home off Away eight looking for any clue that
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Speaker 1: may point them towards Jamie Class. So far, no breakthrough.
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are just in shocks still,
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Speaker 1: it's pretty surreal. Pattie Gerbery is the parish director at
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Speaker 1: the local Catholic church. She's known Jamie since preschool and
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Speaker 1: taught her first communion classes. It's just hard to believe
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Speaker 1: that it actually happened, and we don't know all the details,
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Speaker 1: but um, I think a lot of people are hurting.
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Speaker 1: That's K A R. E. T VS Danny Speewalk reporting
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Speaker 1: on the search for Jamie Class. Her parents found shot dead,
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Speaker 1: the front door shot in to gain entry, and I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna go to Brian Russell and Joe's got Morrigan on
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Speaker 1: what that means that the door was shot open. But
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Speaker 1: also in the last hours, a tip emerges that Jamie
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Speaker 1: Class was spots spotted at in Miami gas station all
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Speaker 1: the way from Wisconsin with to quote, well dressed Middle
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Speaker 1: Eastern men. Okay to you, John Limley crime online dot Com,
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Speaker 1: explain to me what exactly why is the tip? Well,
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Speaker 1: there was even surveillance video to go with this tip.
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Speaker 1: There is a young woman, maybe a girl, scene with
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Speaker 1: these two well dressed men at a gas station in Miami.
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Speaker 1: Um And there was a lot of excitement there for
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Speaker 1: a while because they thought, you know, even though this
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Speaker 1: is twenty five hours if and that's NonStop driving from Baron, Wisconsin,
21:26
Speaker 1: they thought, well, here's something, maybe this is our lead.
21:30
Speaker 1: But then by four o'clock, uh, we heard that the
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Speaker 1: Wisconsin sheriff was telling the press that the Miami report
21:39
Speaker 1: not considered credible and was released without consultation. Yeah, the
21:45
Speaker 1: content of that tip was that Jamie just turned thirteen,
21:50
Speaker 1: was spotted and the Miami gas stations all the way
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Speaker 1: across the country with quote too well dressed Middle Eastern
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Speaker 1: men and limely is correct. There is video surveillance I've
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Speaker 1: watched it over and over and over of these guys
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Speaker 1: pulling up and a shiny black suv. A person reporting
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Speaker 1: that a girl resembling Jamie was seen at a sun
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Speaker 1: Flex gas station in a black Ford Explorer on Monday
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Speaker 1: with two guys that appeared to be in their thirties.
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Speaker 1: You can see the video on crime online dot com
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Speaker 1: and look for yourself. Is that Jamie. Police now believe
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Speaker 1: that was not Jamie, but look for yourself. The men
22:27
Speaker 1: were described at five seven and five nine each way,
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Speaker 1: two hundred fifty pounds, both having beards and well dressed.
22:34
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at the guy and one
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Speaker 1: of them, it looks like he's got on a suit
22:38
Speaker 1: in a tie. The one that's driving, Um isn't a fake.
22:43
Speaker 1: Is somebody just simply mistaken. They were driving a blackboard
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Speaker 1: Explorer Wisconsin license plate tag I six zero w e
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Speaker 1: R I six zero w E R and the fact
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Speaker 1: that it had a was Canon tag plate really got
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Speaker 1: the interest of everything. Now, isn't it correct to Joe
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Miami's about two thousand miles away from Wisconsin,
23:12
Speaker 1: and it's about a twenty five hour drive, which would
23:14
Speaker 1: have fit in with the time of her disappearance. Joe Scott, Yeah,
23:18
Speaker 1: it would, but it's John. As John points out, twenty
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Speaker 1: five hours you're talking to that that drive Tom is
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Speaker 1: pushing straight through. I guess you could do it and
23:27
Speaker 1: shifts with with two guys if you're stopping along the
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Speaker 1: way to get gas, go to the bathroom, that sort
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Speaker 1: of thing. But they run the risk of, you know,
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Speaker 1: of having an image of her captured at some point
23:36
Speaker 1: in time, maybe her crying out. I'm still you know,
23:39
Speaker 1: I'm still thinking, uh, you know, instead of this kind
23:43
Speaker 1: of exotic kind of thing like this, I'm thinking locally
23:46
Speaker 1: at this point in time, who's gonna know about this
23:49
Speaker 1: little girl within the confines of her little world that
23:52
Speaker 1: she lives in there and Baron Wisconsin. You know, I
23:56
Speaker 1: agree with you. I think that somebody saw the Wisconsin tag,
23:59
Speaker 1: they saw a girl in back, say they saw the
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Speaker 1: two guys and they put two and two together and
24:03
Speaker 1: got five. But you know, the bottom line is, thank God,
24:07
Speaker 1: thank Heaven. People are looking. The tip line is eight
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Speaker 1: five seven or four four three eight seven nine. Jamie Class,
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Speaker 1: just turned thirteen, has been taken from her family home
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Speaker 1: in Wisconsin. Both parents shot dead after somebody enters by
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Speaker 1: using a gun on the door. Listen. Thirty six hours
24:27
Speaker 1: into the search, the Barring Police share department decided to
24:29
Speaker 1: release new photos of Jamie to the public. The sheriff
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Speaker 1: says his department is received more than two hundred tips
24:35
Speaker 1: so far, coming mostly from this region. We're following up
24:38
Speaker 1: on phones, were following up on social media. Um that's
24:41
Speaker 1: where the expertise of both the Department of Criminal investigation,
24:43
Speaker 1: the FBI experts come into play as police frantically searched
24:47
Speaker 1: for Jamie. The community is also mourning the loss of
24:49
Speaker 1: her parents. Mourning the loss of her parents, does she
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Speaker 1: even know her parents are dead? To Askle Wilcott, juvenile judge,
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Speaker 1: lawyer and founder of Child Cry want to dot com
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Speaker 1: Ashley way In, here's the thing I want to say, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: We also need to keep in mind, I'm sure law
25:06
Speaker 1: enforcement is doing this. What about Jamie's friends? What do
25:11
Speaker 1: they know about her that parents don't know that adults
25:14
Speaker 1: don't know because all kids have their stuff with their
25:17
Speaker 1: friends and or any of her friends um somewhere they're
25:21
Speaker 1: not supposed to be or know who she's talking to.
25:24
Speaker 1: If anyone again, she's a victim no matter what. Even
25:26
Speaker 1: if she chose to run away, she'd be a victim.
25:28
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the case here, But all of
25:31
Speaker 1: the people that have touched her life, I'm sure we'll
25:33
Speaker 1: be interviewed and could hold crucial clues. And I agree
25:37
Speaker 1: with Joe Scott Morgan, we also have to look at
25:40
Speaker 1: what were these parents involved in because something's not adding
25:43
Speaker 1: up right. I don't know that this is a complete
25:45
Speaker 1: random crime. I think they targeted this child and they
25:49
Speaker 1: came in guns blazing and took her. I don't think
25:52
Speaker 1: that it's random. I think you're absolutely right about that,
25:55
Speaker 1: Ashley with Me juvenile judge and lawyer found with child
25:59
Speaker 1: crime watch dot com Ashley Willcott, It's it's not random.
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Speaker 1: They clearly went in there with the aim of getting Jamie. Again.
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Speaker 1: Police have said she is not suspected in any way
26:09
Speaker 1: of being part of this. In fact, her grandfather, Robert Nyberg,
26:13
Speaker 1: has said she was quiet as always and his grandson's
26:16
Speaker 1: birthday party just on Sunday, that she was a very
26:20
Speaker 1: quiet girl, very thoughtful. She even brought little gifts to
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Speaker 1: every single person at the party. The dad was working
26:28
Speaker 1: at the time of the party on Sunday. She has
26:30
Speaker 1: repeat not considered a suspect and she is in danger,
26:34
Speaker 1: according to the Chief of Police. Now also he the
26:38
Speaker 1: chief declined to elaborate or explain why investigators insist Jamie
26:44
Speaker 1: is not a runaway. He says that disclosing more information
26:49
Speaker 1: on that in that vein would harm the investigation. Now
26:54
Speaker 1: what does that mean to Dr Brian Russell? What does
26:58
Speaker 1: that mean if we tell you any more about Jamie?
27:01
Speaker 1: He could harm the investigation. Well, so if we go
27:04
Speaker 1: back to this idea that going into a house, shooting
27:09
Speaker 1: your way into a house, murdering the parents is a
27:14
Speaker 1: very messy way to go about abducting a thirteen year
27:19
Speaker 1: old girl. If what your goal was as the abductor
27:24
Speaker 1: murderer was to get this girl and get as far
27:28
Speaker 1: away as quickly as possible and go as long as
27:32
Speaker 1: you could, and definitely would be your hope. I imagine
27:36
Speaker 1: uh with the girl undetected, than than going in and
27:40
Speaker 1: making lots of noise and killing people. It's just a
27:43
Speaker 1: very messy way to go about it. So it makes
27:45
Speaker 1: me think that this was an emotionally driven person who
27:49
Speaker 1: had some desperation. And I agree with Ashley or you
27:52
Speaker 1: or whoever said looking at this girl's social media to
27:56
Speaker 1: see who may have sucked her in that I think
27:59
Speaker 1: you a lutely are right about that, Dr Brian. The
28:01
Speaker 1: answer may being and who was trying to get to
28:03
Speaker 1: her in social media? And coming up next is a
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Speaker 1: woman now now grown, that was actually lured by an
28:12
Speaker 1: online predator, Alicia Kostka Covic. Right now tipline four three
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Speaker 1: eight seven nine, Jamie Class is missing. Please help us
28:25
Speaker 1: surveillance video caught the moment that eleven year old Carly
28:28
Speaker 1: Bruccia was grabbed by a stranger, and after a massive manhunt,
28:31
Speaker 1: it was discovered that she had been raped and murdered.
28:34
Speaker 1: Curly Brusia, a beautiful little girl walking home from a
28:37
Speaker 1: spend the night party at a little friend's home, only
28:40
Speaker 1: had about a block and a half to walk, Caught
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Speaker 1: on video her being abducted as she cut across behind
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Speaker 1: a car wash in her own neighborhood. Her body found
28:50
Speaker 1: later in a wooded, densely wooded area near a local church.
28:54
Speaker 1: She had been assaulted and murdered. What if anything, have
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Speaker 1: we learned? With me a very special guest, Alicia covid Kevic,
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Speaker 1: a survivor, a victims advocate, who was abducted, tortured, and
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Speaker 1: just before her murder, she was saved also with me
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Speaker 1: former federal prosecutor Francie Haigs. And and it all begs
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Speaker 1: the question. We read about these stories, we hear about
29:23
Speaker 1: these stories. We may send up a prayer or follow
29:25
Speaker 1: the story as it progresses. But what if God forbid
29:29
Speaker 1: this happened to us, to you, to me? Every year,
29:35
Speaker 1: over four hundred fifty thousand children are reported missing, four
29:40
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand children. And that is why Alicia
29:44
Speaker 1: and Francie had joined together with me and experts and
29:49
Speaker 1: survivors to bring you crime stops here, Justice Nation. Straight
29:55
Speaker 1: out to Francy Haigs, former federal prosecutor, the Carly Brusia case,
30:00
Speaker 1: the abduction, the rate, the murder of this little girl
30:03
Speaker 1: was a real call to arms. What can we do, Francy, Well, Nancy,
30:08
Speaker 1: I think unfortunately, there's not a lot that people can
30:11
Speaker 1: do with respect to their children. You can't put them
30:15
Speaker 1: in a bubble. But what I think that we can
30:17
Speaker 1: do that we're not doing is understanding offender behavior. That murderer,
30:22
Speaker 1: the man who took precious little Carly Bruce's life, had
30:25
Speaker 1: to have been exhibiting some signs and symptoms. He was
30:29
Speaker 1: clearly sexually interested in children, he was clearly violent. Someone
30:33
Speaker 1: in his life would have seen those signs, and I
30:37
Speaker 1: wonder what would have happened if they had understood those signs,
30:41
Speaker 1: understood what makes a predator tick, understand offender behavior so
30:46
Speaker 1: much that they would have been able to report it,
30:48
Speaker 1: and that might have saved Carly's life. Joining me right now,
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Speaker 1: Alicia Alicia now a motivational speaker. I victim's advocate, a survivor, Alicia,
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Speaker 1: because it Heavich is joining us. Alicia, I know that
31:03
Speaker 1: you just shudder when you hear about Carly Brusha's brutal kidnap,
31:09
Speaker 1: rape and murder. Her body found half clothed in a
31:13
Speaker 1: wooded area, just left behind like she was trashed. Because, Alicia,
31:18
Speaker 1: it brings back the memory of what happened to you
31:22
Speaker 1: as a little girl. What happened Carly story definitely brings
31:27
Speaker 1: back memories for me. When I was three teen years old,
31:32
Speaker 1: I was groomed and large from my home by an
31:34
Speaker 1: internet predator who kidnapped me and took me from Pizip, Pennsylvania,
31:39
Speaker 1: to Virginia, where I was held captive in his basement
31:41
Speaker 1: dungeon and suffered horrible atrocities. I was raped and beaten
31:46
Speaker 1: and tortured, chained to the floor by a locking dog collar.
31:51
Speaker 1: He didn't feed me, and my nose was broken in
31:53
Speaker 1: one of the struggles. I I am so lucky to
31:57
Speaker 1: be here. I am so incredibly lucky, and it's so
32:00
Speaker 1: sad to hear that that that's not the outcome for
32:03
Speaker 1: so many children and in Carle's story watching her in
32:07
Speaker 1: the surveillance video being led away, there weren't any It
32:12
Speaker 1: was so calm seeming, and how quickly and suddenly something
32:17
Speaker 1: like this can happen. And I like that. Francie said,
32:19
Speaker 1: you can't put your children in a bubble, because you
32:21
Speaker 1: really can't, even if you want to. That's not a
32:24
Speaker 1: possible thing. You have to educate your kids two be safe.
32:29
Speaker 1: We have to give them tolls to protect themselves, and
32:33
Speaker 1: we have to sit down and talk to them about dangers.
32:35
Speaker 1: You know, Alicia, Um, I'm listening to you. Everyone, You
32:39
Speaker 1: are hearing my friend and our colleague, Alicia kozy Keevic.
32:44
Speaker 1: Alicia lived to tell the tale and defying all statistics,
32:49
Speaker 1: all odds after she was abducted as a girl from
32:55
Speaker 1: her neighborhood by a person she met online. She usually
32:59
Speaker 1: originally thought it was another little girl online and developed
33:04
Speaker 1: a friendship with the person, and so as it developed,
33:08
Speaker 1: thought nothing of the person. They had taught for so
33:11
Speaker 1: long they were friends, so long was a child her
33:15
Speaker 1: own age was a grown man, a thirty eight year
33:18
Speaker 1: old man, Scott Tyree, who grabbed her, forced her into
33:22
Speaker 1: a car, abducted her, put her into a dungeon hours
33:27
Speaker 1: away from home, shackled her to the floor with a
33:31
Speaker 1: shot collar around her neck, and sexually assaulted her for
33:37
Speaker 1: days and days and days. One afternoon, he's said, you
33:40
Speaker 1: know what, I've really started to like you too much now.
33:44
Speaker 1: She knew that evening she was going to be killed.
33:46
Speaker 1: As it turned out, Scott Tyree shared photos of her
33:51
Speaker 1: being tortured with another child porn a Thesionado, and he
33:57
Speaker 1: even that guy was so shocked he called police, And
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Speaker 1: that is how Alicia was saved. And that is how
34:04
Speaker 1: Alicia is here with us today to help you learn
34:09
Speaker 1: how to I remember Alicia telling me she realized how
34:13
Speaker 1: dangerous everything was when they went through a toll. Remember
34:17
Speaker 1: when you told me that, Alicia, that you got to
34:19
Speaker 1: a toll I think it was, and the guy gave
34:22
Speaker 1: the toll person some money and you were thinking, Oh,
34:24
Speaker 1: they're gonna see me, They're gonna save me. But then
34:27
Speaker 1: the car just kept going and that moment you just
34:31
Speaker 1: lost hope. It's heartbreaking, and it's heartbreaking that while this
34:36
Speaker 1: is a rare circumstance, it does happen, and it can
34:42
Speaker 1: be prevented, and that's what we need to work towards
34:45
Speaker 1: you know, Alicia, you have devoted your life, your entire life,
34:50
Speaker 1: after what you endured, which is it's hard for me
34:54
Speaker 1: to even take in what you endured. Even devoted your
34:57
Speaker 1: life to saving other people, to checked other children from
35:01
Speaker 1: what you went through. You've even had a law named
35:04
Speaker 1: after you in many US states. Alicia, when we got
35:09
Speaker 1: together in person for the first time to create crime
35:14
Speaker 1: stops here, what was your mission? Why did you devote
35:18
Speaker 1: so much time to crime stops here? Because this is
35:21
Speaker 1: a great way to get the message out. The whole
35:24
Speaker 1: point is raising awareness. And like I said, we need
35:28
Speaker 1: to sit down and we need to talk to our kids,
35:30
Speaker 1: and we need parents to have the tools to be
35:33
Speaker 1: able to do that. And it seems sometimes that parents
35:35
Speaker 1: almost need permission to say that, Okay, I can say no,
35:40
Speaker 1: or I can monitor what my children are doing online.
35:43
Speaker 1: I recently spoke at a preschool and they wanted to
35:46
Speaker 1: sit down and talk to their kids, but they were
35:48
Speaker 1: terrified of how to do it without terrifying them. And
35:52
Speaker 1: the sad part is that you do have to scare
35:54
Speaker 1: your kids a little bit. You don't want to debilitate them,
35:56
Speaker 1: but you do have to scare them. In the same
35:58
Speaker 1: way that you tell them to local crowd the street
36:00
Speaker 1: both ways before walking across, or don't touch the pot
36:03
Speaker 1: because it's hot, or to wear their seatbelt. There are
36:06
Speaker 1: dangers out there and we need to protect ourselves from it.
36:10
Speaker 1: To find out all about Alicia's story, Francie's advice, the
36:15
Speaker 1: story of other crime survivors, experts, technicians that help you
36:20
Speaker 1: with action information to protect what you love the most,
36:24
Speaker 1: your children and your family. Go to crime stops here
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Speaker 1: dot com or Nancy Grace dot com. If you know
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Speaker 1: of a child or child you want to help, call
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Speaker 1: one eight hundred the Lost one eight hundred, eight four three, five, six,
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Speaker 1: seven eight, Alicia and Francie, I can't thank you enough.
36:45
Speaker 1: And Alicia and France if you didn't know already. Proceeds
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Speaker 1: are going to National Center for Missing and Exploited Children
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Speaker 1: and Class Kids Foundation. Everyone for the sake of your children,
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Speaker 1: your family and what you love, go to crime stops
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Speaker 1: here dot com or Nancy Grace dot com. Alicia, Francy,
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Speaker 1: thank you, Nancy Grace Crime Stories. Signing off, goodbye friend,