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The Bolt Report | 10 February · The Bolt Report

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  Speaker 1: He's the bold reform tonight. Now the son of fake
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  Speaker 1: Aboriginally Bruce Pasco gets a massive ground after claiming his
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  Speaker 1: Aboriginal That amazing story tonight, And what a by election
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  Speaker 1: in Victoria. It's such bad news for Anthony ALBINIZI I'll
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  Speaker 1: tell you why. And shocking sees some the latest hostage
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  Speaker 1: release and did Donald Trump go too far and insulting
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  Speaker 1: Megan Markle, Prince Harry suaw bites back. Much more coming up,
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  Speaker 1: But first now, before I actually get to the big
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  Speaker 1: wack that Donald Trump just gave us, I need to
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  Speaker 1: tell the truth where almost all politicians lie. Now, as
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  Speaker 1: I said later in the show, will tell you about
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  Speaker 1: Bruce Pasco's son, Jack, who identifies his average has just
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  Speaker 1: got this big grunt. It's actually meant for Aboriginal researchers
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  Speaker 1: eight hundred and sixty thousand dollars. But today we heard
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  Speaker 1: something else that should tell every politician that just shut up,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, shut up with the woke bull and the
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  Speaker 1: patronizing and the scams, that whole culture of lies around
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  Speaker 1: Aboriginal welfare that we always hear on this day, this day,
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  Speaker 1: I mean every year, around this time, our politicians put
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  Speaker 1: on their sad faces and they give their serious speeches.
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  Speaker 1: You know, as a federal government releases the annual Closing
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  Speaker 1: the Gap Report on how we're closing or not closing
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  Speaker 1: the poverty and welfare gap between Aborigines and everyone else,
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  Speaker 1: and it's never a surprise. I mean every single year
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  Speaker 1: we told us grim this year, same story, same sad speeches.
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  Speaker 1: Of the nineteen measures that they take, child welfare, jobs, finlence, whatever,
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  Speaker 1: just five are on target, six more are improving a little,
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  Speaker 1: and the rest are not. On domestic violence, I mean
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  Speaker 1: that all the territories, Chief Minister today said there's actually
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  Speaker 1: been an eighty two percent increase in domestic family violence
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  Speaker 1: in eight years, eighty two percent among average, these twelve
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  Speaker 1: Aboriginal women killed in that all the territory since just
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  Speaker 1: last June. But you know, today woke stuff, that bull
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  Speaker 1: that patronizing, the stuff that actually makes things worse, you know,
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  Speaker 1: but by peddling that old deceitful dream.
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  Speaker 2: A nation which every one of us should have pride
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  Speaker 2: in sharing with the oldest continuous living culture on Earth.
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  Speaker 1: One, it's not the oldest continuing living culture. I mean
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  Speaker 1: Aboriginal culture as it was when the Europeans arrived is
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  Speaker 1: largely gone. Two, why should anyone be proud of a
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  Speaker 1: culture if it seems to ultimately lead to this, to
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  Speaker 1: producing this level of poverty and violence.
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  Speaker 2: First Nations women are currently thirty three times more likely
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  Speaker 2: than non Indigenous Australian women to be hospitalized due to
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  Speaker 2: family violence and seven times more likely to die. This
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  Speaker 2: cannot stand.
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  Speaker 1: Not that you need to Peter dunt't today. I have
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  Speaker 1: to say he disappointed me. He decided today to feed
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  Speaker 1: that kind of victim culture, to feed the kind of
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  Speaker 1: excuse making that in some way what we see is
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  Speaker 1: the fault of racist spices. He repeated some of that story,
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion, that racist officials stole thousands of children
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  Speaker 1: from their parents just because they were Aboriginal, when our
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  Speaker 1: courts to this day have not identified even one.
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  Speaker 3: Between nineteen ten and nineteen seventy, thousands of Indigenous children
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  Speaker 3: were forcibly taken from their families under the laws and
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  Speaker 3: policies of successive Australian governments. The loss, the pain.
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  Speaker 1: How can Dutton fail to make the connection here is
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  Speaker 1: jumping on the stolen generation bandwagon when we're actually having
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  Speaker 1: to remove even more Aboriginal children from their homes now
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  Speaker 1: than we did back then, according to the Productivity Commission's
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  Speaker 1: latest starter Closing the Gap data. Plus, we've now got
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  Speaker 1: more suicides and even more average than his jailed which
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  Speaker 1: is usually for domestic family violence. How can anyone know
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  Speaker 1: expect anything but this failure When we tell Aboriginal children
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  Speaker 1: white culture is racist and terrible and then fundholding communities
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  Speaker 1: out there where there are almost no real jobs and
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  Speaker 1: no real hope, what do you expect? This is matter badness.
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  Speaker 1: All of our welcomes to the country, all of our
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  Speaker 1: pain of respects, all of our grunts and prizes that
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  Speaker 1: Bruce Pascal or whatever. It's all useless and it was
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  Speaker 1: always going to be useless. Also useless most of the
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  Speaker 1: things the Preme ministers of today. In his response, this
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  Speaker 1: is his way of tackling this gap that's been there
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  Speaker 1: for hundreds of years now, haven't we learned? Much of
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  Speaker 1: what he said was just like, you know, let's just
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  Speaker 1: put the ambulance to the bottom of the cliffdweis. He said,
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  Speaker 1: send more money and more people to pick up the
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  Speaker 1: broken bodies caused with this rampant domestic and sexual violence.
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  Speaker 1: It had even more free monagement so called stolen Generation survivors.
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  Speaker 1: It built even more free houses out bush out and
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  Speaker 1: largely welfare dependent communities, encouraging people to actually stay out there.
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  Speaker 2: More than two hundred were built last year. No longer
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  Speaker 2: a dream, but a life affirming reality. Another sixty four
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  Speaker 2: are due to be completed by.
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  Speaker 1: And it also give more money for and I shall
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  Speaker 1: quote because you won't believe it, digitization of at risk
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  Speaker 1: audio and video collections held by First Nations broadcasters and
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  Speaker 1: community organizations. And that's going to fix things. Not I know.
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  Speaker 1: One of the kind of things I say is too
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  Speaker 1: is you just's missus racist? And politicians run a mile
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  Speaker 1: from this. I got all this legally and blah blah,
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  Speaker 1: I got it. But listen, Assimilation, not separatism is the
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  Speaker 1: only real way to close the gap. And that would
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  Speaker 1: require more praising of our Western society, not our Aboriginal one.
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  Speaker 1: Otherwise I predict now already, don't you. I mean, next
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  Speaker 1: year's Closing the Gap report will be yet another miserable read.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get to the state by elections of Victoria. Why
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  Speaker 1: should you care what happens in some by election Victoria?
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  Speaker 1: Except this time, what happened on Saturday should really scare
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  Speaker 1: the Albaneze government should scare and shame it into no
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  Speaker 1: longer making deals with the then Green So there, I
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  Speaker 1: might be a little naive. Two by elections of Victoria,
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  Speaker 1: one in working class Werriby, the other in inner urban Paran.
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  Speaker 1: I think hipster's had huge swings against the state labor
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  Speaker 1: government ten to forty percent. I mean really huge. Now, yes,
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  Speaker 1: you know you could just oh, it's state issues. You
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  Speaker 1: know it's Alan government clearly asking for a hiding Andrews
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  Speaker 1: before create the conditions. Labour's driving the state broke. You
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  Speaker 1: know that it's totally incompetent. You know that. And crime
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  Speaker 1: is now spectacularly scary. I mentioned crime. Just in the
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  Speaker 1: last week. You had boys allegedly threatening shoppers with fake guns.
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  Speaker 1: You had home invaders stealing three cars from one house
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  Speaker 1: and one or just fifteen leisurely driving one of them
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  Speaker 1: two hundred and forty kilimeters an hour down the freeway.
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  Speaker 1: Had a man walking home from work stabbed. You had
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  Speaker 1: a couple of other home invasionsicularly one of African appearance, threatening,
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  Speaker 1: ones of African appearance, threatening two women inside with knives,
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  Speaker 1: and more. But there's something else about these results that
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  Speaker 1: says no, this is actually more than just proof that
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  Speaker 1: the state labor government has finished really and heading for
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  Speaker 1: a harding at the next selection. Look at the seat
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  Speaker 1: of Peru. The Greens lost that seat for the first
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  Speaker 1: time in eleven years and lost it to a liberal
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  Speaker 1: Rachel West the way the West may wouldn't have won
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  Speaker 1: it if it hadn't been for a former labor politician,
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  Speaker 1: Tony Lupton. He decided to run as an independent and
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  Speaker 1: got his supporters seventy percent of them anyway, to give
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  Speaker 1: their preferences to her the Liberals, and not to the Greens.
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  Speaker 1: Now Lupton was running as a protest against everything the
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  Speaker 1: Greens have done to incite due hatred, but also protesting
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  Speaker 1: against labor for not fighting that and not fighting the
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  Speaker 1: Greens now. London told me yesterday, this result now shows
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  Speaker 1: that many Labor voters hate what the Greens have done,
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  Speaker 1: and Albanize must stop making preference deals with them, deals
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  Speaker 1: that effectively help the Greens get elected. Join miss the Panel.
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  Speaker 1: Michael Kroger. Former Victorian Liberal president Steve Connory back for
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  Speaker 1: the first time after spending valuable weeks in Donald Trump's
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  Speaker 1: New America. Boy Steve I'll get to that a second,
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  Speaker 1: because I'm kind of waiting to see some road to
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  Speaker 1: Damascus epiphany. But this result should labor now put the
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  Speaker 1: Greens last, no more helping this evil party. Let me
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  Speaker 1: stress evil party get elected.
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  Speaker 4: Well, firstly, congratulations to Tony Lupton for the role he
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  Speaker 4: played in helping defead a Green candidate on the weekend.
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  Speaker 1: He showed a lot of courage.
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  Speaker 4: The Lobor Party made a decision to not contest, so
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  Speaker 4: anybody formal or current member of the Low party could run,
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  Speaker 4: and Tony stood on his values. He got a significant
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  Speaker 4: core chunk of the vote and he directed it to
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  Speaker 4: the Liberal Party as a total repudiation of the anti
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  Speaker 4: Smidic Greens, particularly here in Victoria. I mean the continual
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  Speaker 4: rolling protests, the intimidation, the attacks, attempts at fire bombings.
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  Speaker 4: You know, this has to stop. And I hope that
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  Speaker 4: everybody gets the message from the courage of Tony Lupton
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  Speaker 4: that the sort of well said, but should you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, outrageous Greens last?
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  Speaker 4: Well, that's a decision that ultimately we made by the
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  Speaker 4: ALP National Executive. I would think that my best guess
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  Speaker 4: is there wouldn't be a uniform there wouldn't be a
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  Speaker 4: uniform position across the country.
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  Speaker 1: Here in Victoria.
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  Speaker 4: I would think that in a seat like McNamara, it
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  Speaker 4: would be political suicide for the Labor. Josh Burns, a good,
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  Speaker 4: strong member of the Jewish community, it will be electoral
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  Speaker 4: suicide if he was to advocate a second preference. So
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  Speaker 4: I think there'll be a different position in different seats,
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  Speaker 4: and the more that Labor doesn't preference Greens, the better
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  Speaker 4: that will be.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So Michael, you heard there. According to Steve, you
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  Speaker 1: should deal with the devil if it helps you, but
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  Speaker 1: not deal with the devil if it doesn't. Is that
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  Speaker 1: good enough.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it's worse than that. It's worse than McNamara of
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  Speaker 5: the old Melbourne Ports as we know on the Bay
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  Speaker 5: side here in Melbourne, near Albert Park, et cetera, South Melbourne.
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  Speaker 5: So effectively that would be well, because of a lot
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  Speaker 5: of Jews in McNamara will give you a sop, you know,
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  Speaker 5: we'll give you a sop. Well, we're not going to
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  Speaker 5: adivocate voting green because you're all Jewish here, but in
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  Speaker 5: a lot of the other seats we are going to
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, don't Labor shouldn't treat the Jewish
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  Speaker 5: community like marks. I mean, the truth of the matter
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  Speaker 5: is Tony Lapton is a Bob Hawk labor man, right.
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  Speaker 5: He's a Bob Hawk labor man. He's not a Jeremy
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  Speaker 5: Corbyn labor man from a UK, and he objected to
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  Speaker 5: what Labour's doing. I continue, in seven or eight years time,
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  Speaker 5: when the cycles change back again, they're going to thank
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  Speaker 5: Lapton for extracting the Labor Party from the jaws of
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  Speaker 5: Albanesi Wong and these extremists and their relationship with the Greens,
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  Speaker 5: and they'll thank Lapton for bringing Labor back to the
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  Speaker 5: Steve Brax, Bob Hawk, Paul Keating sensible center of Labor
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  Speaker 5: Party politics. But of course they should put the Greens last.
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  Speaker 5: As Darton says, the Greens are going last in every
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  Speaker 5: seat on the Liberal preferences. You look at a seat
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  Speaker 5: like Griffiths in Queensland. Now Chandler May, they got thirty
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  Speaker 5: four zero point six percent of the vote Andrew at
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  Speaker 5: the twenty twenty two election. He got elected, this bloke,
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  Speaker 5: Chandler May. They got elected on Labor preferences. So is
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  Speaker 5: Albo going to give him preferences because Labor come third,
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  Speaker 5: are they going to get Chandler may that elected again,
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  Speaker 5: the bloke that spoke at the CFMU Rallies et cetera,
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  Speaker 5: et cetera, or are they going to put someone more
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  Speaker 5: moderate in like the liberal candidate. So Albernese has got
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  Speaker 5: this challenge. And by the way, everyone knows, you know,
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  Speaker 5: Stevens is a federal executive.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 5: As I understand that the federal executive Labor Party is
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  Speaker 5: ten left wing, ten right wing, and Albanesi there's twenty
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  Speaker 5: one members. So as far as I can add up,
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  Speaker 5: that means Albanesi is a swing vote. This is Albanesi's decision.
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  Speaker 5: He's got to come out and explain to people. Are
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  Speaker 5: the Labor Parties still the party of Bob Hawk? Because
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  Speaker 5: you know what Bob Hawk would do, right. You would
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  Speaker 5: know what Hawk would do in a situation like this.
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  Speaker 5: He would put the Greens last, and he would have
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  Speaker 5: endorsed Lupton, and he would have agreed with Lupton, and
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  Speaker 5: he would have said Lupton is absolutely right to put
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  Speaker 5: the Greens eleventh out of eleven in Paran, which is
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  Speaker 5: what Lupton did.
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  Speaker 1: We also know what Tony, what John Howard would do
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  Speaker 1: for right or wrong, he put the One Nation Party laugh.
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  Speaker 1: So there is a precedent for this, and let's see
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  Speaker 1: if Albani says the churage to do it. There is
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  Speaker 1: another way. This election is a warning for labor. I
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  Speaker 1: think Stephen put me right here. If you don't agree
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  Speaker 1: crime is really a state issue. I've got that crime
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  Speaker 1: is a state issue. But a result Pole from last
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  Speaker 1: year already was showing that crime is now fifth in
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  Speaker 1: the list of issues which worried voters, above even climate change.
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  Speaker 1: I think it would have got worse because I think
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  Speaker 1: for the federal government you've got these anti very angry,
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  Speaker 1: anti Jewish and anti Israel protests that seemed to bleed
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  Speaker 1: into this issue to make crime a federal issue as well.
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  Speaker 1: How do you see it?
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  Speaker 4: No, I think that's a fair call, Andrew. You've got
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  Speaker 4: a circumstance where the Queensland government, they've admitted it themselves
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  Speaker 4: after they lost The former premier Stephen Miles said, look,
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  Speaker 4: you know we did not move fast enough.
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  Speaker 1: And to justinto.
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  Speaker 4: Allen's credit, she started talking about the bail laws last
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  Speaker 4: week and now she's got to carry that through and
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  Speaker 4: we need to as a Victorian state labor government, we
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  Speaker 4: need to be seen to be doing more to deal
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  Speaker 4: with these on the ground issues, and you've just highlighted
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  Speaker 4: some of them. Otherwise, just Sinter Allen and Ben Carroll
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  Speaker 4: will be standing there staring two years down the track, saying, well,
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  Speaker 4: perhaps we should have done something a bit more about
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  Speaker 4: that crime and law and order. Law and order is
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  Speaker 4: not a Liberal Party issue. Law in order is about
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  Speaker 4: protecting ordinary people from crimes that take their property threaten
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  Speaker 4: their lives.
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  Speaker 1: This shouldn't be.
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  Speaker 4: Allowed to be a liberal mantra that were the party
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  Speaker 4: of law and order. There is nothing embarrassing for the
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  Speaker 4: Labor Party to want to look after citizens in the
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  Speaker 4: streets so they can go about their business without the
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  Speaker 4: sort of threats in timidation that you showed just a
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  Speaker 4: few clips there a little earlier.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a shock of what's going on. I
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  Speaker 1: feel that our society is being changed into unrecognizable ways.
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  Speaker 1: It's just incredible, Michael, just enter Price on Wednesday will
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  Speaker 1: be It's just quite extremely She's just been there for
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  Speaker 1: not even one term, and she was already a key
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  Speaker 1: front bencher. And now she's released her biography called an
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  Speaker 1: autobiography called Matters of the Heart Memoirs what if you
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  Speaker 1: want to call it. There were exit There are stories
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  Speaker 1: about her on Saturday's a lot of secrecy about this book,
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  Speaker 1: But the big meaty bit of it is that she
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  Speaker 1: was in a very low spot. She claims was a
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  Speaker 1: victim of some domestic abuse by a former partner or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: It was very difficult, It was in a spiral and
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  Speaker 1: she took drugs MDMA and things like that. I thought
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  Speaker 1: it was interesting. I was wondering whether she had done
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  Speaker 1: this to get ahead of this story coming out in
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  Speaker 1: other ways, is this going to damage her.
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  Speaker 5: Knowing quite the opposite. A lot of young people in
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  Speaker 5: this country, particularly people in the Aboriginal community, have suffered
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  Speaker 5: extraordinary adversity in the youth for a whole host of reasons,
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  Speaker 5: and this woman, who was a great Australian, has overcome
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  Speaker 5: the most extraordinary adversity, including all the deaths in and
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  Speaker 5: around her family, domestic violence, etc.
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  Speaker 1: She is.
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  Speaker 5: A symbol of what can be done by people who
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  Speaker 5: recover from extraordinary adversity. I mean, she is a shining
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  Speaker 5: example of how through personal discipline, through hard work, dedication,
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  Speaker 5: a belief system and a strong family unit around her
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  Speaker 5: as to what you can achieve as an individual far
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  Speaker 5: from harming her. People in a look at her and
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  Speaker 5: say you're an absolute rock star. You are a hero.
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  Speaker 5: What you've overcome to become a senior member of the
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  Speaker 5: opposition in this Australian Parliament. No people are going to
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  Speaker 5: say good on you. They're going to say what an
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  Speaker 5: outstanding woman to recover from such adversity and reach that side.
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  Speaker 1: Andrew Stephen, would you also give a credit for overcoming
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  Speaker 1: adversity and really sticking to it? Look absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: I mean I've only read a few excerpts that have
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  Speaker 4: been in the paper, so I haven't made a chance,
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  Speaker 4: obviously to see the book. But given what she's described,
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  Speaker 4: it is a credit to her that she's continued to
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: put one foot in front of the other and built
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  Speaker 4: herself up into a significant figure in the political world,
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  Speaker 4: and she deserves credit for that. The only thing I
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  Speaker 4: would say is I hope she's been fully frank and honest.
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  Speaker 4: We've had four other former politicians they've wanted to talk
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  Speaker 4: about their tough luck when they were growing up and
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  Speaker 4: then down the track they've perhaps not necessarily painted the
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  Speaker 4: full picture. So I just hope when we see the
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  Speaker 4: book in full, it paints the full picture, because it
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  Speaker 4: does sound terrible the circumstances she's been through.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yes, I always assume that the truth is being told,
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  Speaker 1: the full truth. But we'll see, we'll see. Just the
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  Speaker 1: Sports Minister Anika Wells, Michael, I have to say I
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  Speaker 1: was offended by a claim on the weekend that all
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: the strands are behind Sam Kerr, the captain of Matilda's
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  Speaker 1: now before court in London for abusing a police officer.
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  Speaker 1: Is stupid and white. She vomited in an attax and
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: refused to pay and then had a girlfriend kick out
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  Speaker 1: the back window. Here it is.
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  Speaker 6: I think it has been a rocky road for Sam
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  Speaker 6: and her partner. The more we find out about that incident,
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  Speaker 6: I think the more you can understand why they've acted
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  Speaker 6: the way that they have. But being an explawyer myself,
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  Speaker 6: I would never seek to interfere or comment on a
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  Speaker 6: court trial process whilst it's in action. But I think
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  Speaker 6: Australia certainly has Sam certainly has Australia behind it.
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  Speaker 1: Michael, Why on earth would the Sports Minister assume Australians
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  Speaker 1: were behind Sam Kirk.
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  Speaker 5: We're using the Anaka Wells subjudacy exception, which is you
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  Speaker 5: can't comment on legal proceedings unless you want to comment
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  Speaker 5: on them. I think she's wrong to assume that. Yeah,
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: I think people are so I'm not commenting on it, Andrew.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: But having said that we can't comment on it, let
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: me say that I think most people look at that
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: and they're appalled by her behavior. I mean, dumb and white.
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: Why was she provoking that police officer and he wants
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: to go to work and cop that she's a great
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: soccer player. We all know that, but the way she
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: lauded it over that person and as her the prosecuting
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: council said, if he'd said to her, you know, you're
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: dumb and black and whatever, will that be racist?
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Of course?
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: So I think her behavior was appalling and I don't
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: think Australians are behind her whatsoever, and I don't think
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: they believe her excuses. I mean, she's a multi mi
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: a multi millionaire, lavishing in in extraordinary surroundings in London,
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: playing soccer full time, and that young police officer cops
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: that abuse, and the taxi driver cops that abyus.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Sorry for the taxi driver, what about the sorry of course?
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: And I have to say Michael Kraeger stif yeah, Michael Kraeger,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Stieph Conrad, thank you very much to you both. Welcome back, Stephen.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: I've got to say one quick thing before the break.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: On the weekend, we were reminded again that Israel's war
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: against Samas really is a war against evil. Now, whatever
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: criticisms you might have of Israel, whatever sympathies you might
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: have for the Palace in civilians, this battle is against evil.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Have us on Saturday released another three of the one
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty one hostages. It took sixteen months ago,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: and it's like seeing men released from Auschwitz, starved, clearly traumatized,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: but still made to perform in the grotesque AMAS public
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: relations circus to prove that AMAS still runs Gaza. I mean,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: look how those hostages are now and compare them to
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: how they look before they were taken. I mean, it's
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: just shocking. Left is now right is before? You can
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: see what how musk captivity does. One of those people
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: is Elie Sharabi. He said on his release he was
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: hoping now to see his wife and daughters. I must
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: haven't told them that killed them all, set fire to
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: their home with them inside, killed his brother as well.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Unbelievable after the break. Bruce Pasco is a fake Aboriginy.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: So why has his son just got one hundred, eight
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: hundred and sixty thousand dollars in a grant meant for
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Aboriginal academics. And to Jack Pasco some of the fake
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Aboriginy Bruce Pascoe. You know, even in woke Canada, ultra
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: woke Canada, they are tough on people who falsely claim
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: they are Indigenous. A singer, Buffy Saint Marie, has been
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: stripped of her prestigious Order of Canada now following claims
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: that I've covered here that she'd lied about being a
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Native American, that she wasn't what she claimed. I'm the
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: first Indigenous winner of an oscar that was for the
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: song up where We Belong. She was, in fact just
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: the daughter of white parents. What do you think the
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: consequences would be here of something similar? Well, I was
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: amazed to read that Jack Pascoe has just won an
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: eight hundred and sixty thousand taxpayer funded grant meant for
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Aboriginal researchers. I thought, hello, Jack Pasco, son of Bruce,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: the fake Aborigine who wrote dark Emu is Aboriginal to
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: our Education bureaucross of a check with our academic certentifying
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: as Aborigines really are, because it seems not. Melbourne University
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: is hired Bruce for a start as an enterprise professor.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: It also hid Jack awarded him as its Excellency Diversity
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Fellowship for Aboriginal scholars, and now is also one this
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: eight hundred and sixty thousand dollars grant, an Australian Research
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Council grant which is meant apparently to integrate traditional ecological
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: knowledge into the management of my country that's in Victoria,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: to help teach Aborigines Aboriginal ways. It's incredible. Now there's
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: a particular grant goes to Aboriginal researchers, this Discovery Indigenous Grant,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: that's what it's called, which the he says, it's the
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: back research led by Aboriginal and or Torres Strait Islander researchers, Okay,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: And in fact it's now just late last year singled
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: out three such researchers, all identifying as Aboriginal, all of
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: them that it said, got one of these grants. They
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: were Jared Miles, who identifies as a Youwi man one
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: hundred and forty nine thousand dollars. There's Jessica Harris, who
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: identifies as a dark and jung woman three hundred and
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: twenty six thousand dollars. And there's Jack Pasco named as
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: the recipient and a chief investigator of his grant. So
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: how is Jack Pasco Aboriginal? Now, by the way, I
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: don't say the other people I showed you don't have
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Aboriginal ancestry. I just wonder why we hand out grants
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: to the likes of them because of their race. But
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: back to Jack, he's aboriginal apparently is he? You see
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Jack's mother does an I does not identify as Aboriginal,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: which leaves just this dodgy dad Bruce, whose career took
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: off when he late in life, claimed to be Aboriginal.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: He's on the right of this picture. Pasco's fake history
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: darkim You then won a new Southwest Premier Literary Award
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: meant for Aboriginal writers. Pasco was then promoted by the ABC.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Is an Aboriginal guru, promoted to schools. He was appointed
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: in Melbourne University, has been given grants for Aboriginal organizations
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: for his farm. But there's a problem. As I've told
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: you for years, there's no evidence that Bruce Pasco Jack's
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: dad is Aboriginal. And it's been quite funny, I mean tragic.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Maybe you're known in only three already, right, So that's
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: what thirty years ago nearly more, he advertised in the
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Koori mail for help to prove that he had an
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Aboriginal great grandmother on his mother's side. He wrote, Oh, look,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: I've been looking for years from my couri or average
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: ancestor you know. But Sarah Matthews. Now she was born
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: in Dudley, South Gipsland, in Bunnerong Country, but he said
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: she may have come South Gibson on a ceiling vessel.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Apparently thought she might have been a Tasmanian aboriginal brought
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: over by seilers. All bad luck, Bruce, because Sarah Matthews,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: the aboriginally born in Dudley, Victoria, actually turned out to
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: be Sarah Dudley, the English woman born in Dudley, England
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: who came here on an immigrant ship. And Pascoe did
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: later he had been wrong about her, but then said,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: well wait a minute, my average answer might in fact
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: now be from my father's side and from Tasmania. But no,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: the Tasmanian Aboriginal Center said Pasco's claims were false, and
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: trained genealogists connected to the darkim You exposed dot org
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: website website. They found that every single one of Pasco's
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: answstors were actually a British decept particularly from Cornwall. Now,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: maybe that made a mistake, and of asked Bruce Pasco repeatedly,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: if there is, tell me what it is. But he's
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: refused every question, not just from me, to identify his
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Aboriginal ancestor. It still calls himself aboriginal. Funny thing is
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: got handbushed. I think three years ago he went on
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: SBS and he was challenged by of all people presented
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Carla Grant herself Aboriginal, and he made this admission.
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: Bruce, you wrote dark Emu, a best seller about Aboriginal
• 28:40
  Speaker 7: society at the time of first contact. How do you identify?
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: I identify as Ewan and bonna Ow and Kasminie because
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: we can trace our family back to those.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Regions.
• 28:56
  Speaker 7: Do other members of your family agree you will have
• 28:59
  Speaker 7: Aboriginal health heritage?
• 29:01
  Speaker 8: Some do, many don't.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Still, son Jack must at least have believed his dad,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: because Jack too identifies now as Ewan on the websites
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: of the Melbourne University and the Biodiversity Council, funded by
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: eleven universities. This council where is one of eleven lead counselors.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: So I wrote to Jack Pasco last week. I said, Jack,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: you know your aboriginal Now? I asked two questions, specifically,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: who is your apical aboriginal answers that's the first in
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: your bloodline right that you know of? And what genealogical
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: evidence do you have of your aboriginality? Given that this
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: is eight hundred and sixty thousand dollars a text by
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: money that was meant for Aboriginal researchers some time to ask.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Jack did not reply, but Melbourne University's Dean of Science,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Professor Moira O'Brien did, and her replies such a no
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: response that I will quote it in full. Doctor Jack
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Pascoe is a valued and respected member of the academic community,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: and his extensive knowledge and experience makes a significant contribution
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: to public knowledge and land management, none of which I
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: dispute I haven't asked about that. She goes on. Dr
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Pascoe fulfilled the requirements for his Australian Research Council grant
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: right back saying, you realize, of course, that you've answered
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: not one, not a single question I put, and I said,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: is there a reason for this? A concession that Jack
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Pascoe was not aboriginal or cannot prove it? No response,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: your worship. So we get this grant meant for aborigines
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: handed to the son of a man who is an
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: aboriginal by all the public evidence, and the university doesn't
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: think that's an issue. That's your money. Joining me is
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: the man who uncovered this story and wrote about on
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: his superb website dark emuexposed dot org. Roger Cash, Roger Kash,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time. Like I said,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Jack Pasco, he didn't answer my email. Melbourne University's Dean
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: of Science did, but she didn't answer the actual questions
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I put. Who was his aboriginal ancestor and where was
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Jack Pasco's proof that is aboriginal? Is this response from
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: the university good enough? Well?
• 31:28
  Speaker 9: I don't think so, Andrew, And there's quite a few
• 31:30
  Speaker 9: reasons as to why it's not. But initially it's just
• 31:33
  Speaker 9: the ethical and moral position of it. If I'm driving
• 31:37
  Speaker 9: down the highway in a car and the police pull
• 31:40
  Speaker 9: me over and they say, excuse me, sir, show me
• 31:42
  Speaker 9: your license. I can't turn to them and say, look,
• 31:45
  Speaker 9: I identify as a driver. Everyone else on the roads
• 31:48
  Speaker 9: recognizes me as a driver. I'm offended that you're asking
• 31:51
  Speaker 9: to see my license.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's ridiculous.
• 31:54
  Speaker 9: So he's Dr Pascoe, and he could be really good
• 31:57
  Speaker 9: scientist for all I know. But he's received just under
• 32:01
  Speaker 9: nine hundred thousand dollars for a grant. It's an Indigenous
• 32:04
  Speaker 9: discovery indigenous grant from the taxpayer from Israel government. And
• 32:10
  Speaker 9: my understanding is part of that process is the lead
• 32:13
  Speaker 9: investigators have to be indigenous, and he's saying he's indigenous.
• 32:17
  Speaker 9: He's saying he's Ewan. So I don't see why it's
• 32:20
  Speaker 9: not incumbent on him to satisfy me as a taxpayer
• 32:24
  Speaker 9: and say, all right, I'm going to do all this
• 32:26
  Speaker 9: research at UNI. I've got nine hundred thousand. Here you go, Roger,
• 32:29
  Speaker 9: I am indigenous, so I'm entitled to it. But when
• 32:32
  Speaker 9: I write to him, might I get an answer?
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, there you go. I mean, like you say, you
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: could be an excellent guy. And he might not have
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: done this knowing that he was an Aboriginal. You know,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: it might be he honestly believed he was aboriginal. I mean,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: given what his father's been telling him. But of course
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: you would in particular have shown that Bruce Pasco his father,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: does not have any aboriginality. And I just think we
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: need to be told if this is for average and academics,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: we need to know that it's going to aboriginal academics.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: That's a pretty simple proposition. Now you have asked similar questions, though, Roger,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: of other universities who've employed academics who claim to be aboriginal,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: some holding positions for aborigines, when your researchers, your genealogical
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: researchers going through the records, have found out they probably
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: almost certainly are not. How often has this happened? And
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: have you ever got a straight answer from a university.
• 33:33
  Speaker 9: No, I've never got a straight answer from the university.
• 33:35
  Speaker 9: I've got possibly one or two legal letters from the
• 33:39
  Speaker 9: person involved threatening to sue me, but then they never
• 33:42
  Speaker 9: go beyond that. All we do I've never actually got
• 33:45
  Speaker 9: an answer from the university, only a couple from the
• 33:47
  Speaker 9: academics of challenge, but then they backed off when they
• 33:51
  Speaker 9: realize we're correct. So what we're doing now we've got
• 33:53
  Speaker 9: some lawyers on our team, so we're going to the
• 33:55
  Speaker 9: next level. So, for example, in twenty thirteen, Professor brom
• 34:00
  Speaker 9: Carlson applied for the Stanner Award, and I've actually under
• 34:03
  Speaker 9: Freedom Information down to get the application form that she
• 34:07
  Speaker 9: filled in trying to find out how she convinced them
• 34:11
  Speaker 9: that she was aboriginal. Right, And basically, the form says,
• 34:16
  Speaker 9: I've supported my claim to indigenaty through supplying please tick
• 34:20
  Speaker 9: one of the following two options a confirmation of aboriginality,
• 34:24
  Speaker 9: which is certificate from an aboriginal corporation. She didn't tick
• 34:27
  Speaker 9: that box, or providing the details of two referees who
• 34:32
  Speaker 9: can vouch for me. Right, And she's ticked that box,
• 34:36
  Speaker 9: and there's two referees, but their names have been blacked
• 34:38
  Speaker 9: out for privacy.
• 34:39
  Speaker 8: That's okay.
• 34:40
  Speaker 9: But basically, now to convince universities or the government that
• 34:44
  Speaker 9: you're aboriginal, you don't need birth certificates, you don't need
• 34:47
  Speaker 9: a certificate of aboriginality. You just need to find two
• 34:51
  Speaker 9: mates down the pub that will vouch for you, and
• 34:53
  Speaker 9: as long as they're culturally appropriate, there you go. So
• 34:56
  Speaker 9: she up collected that award and since then she's received
• 35:00
  Speaker 9: something like four government grants from two hundred thousand to
• 35:04
  Speaker 9: five hundred thousand from Macquarie University. When I contacted mccari
• 35:09
  Speaker 9: University and Professor Bronwin Carlson, I provided information and I
• 35:14
  Speaker 9: challenged her to provide the proof that she was Aboriginal.
• 35:17
  Speaker 9: She did not say she was not Aboriginal. But what
• 35:20
  Speaker 9: she did she removed the reference to her Aboriginal heritage
• 35:25
  Speaker 9: which used to be on her university biographical page. So
• 35:30
  Speaker 9: she hasn't actually admitted she's not Aboriginal, but she started
• 35:33
  Speaker 9: to move the reference away that she's claiming to be Aboriginal.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: What is the issue here? Because as far as I
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: can tell, look, I can't even keep up with all
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: the people that you've been questioning here, Bro, I'd say
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: that from about five or six universities now something like that,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: and not one has given an appropriately No one has
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: given an appropriate answer to your questions. I mean, what
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: is the problem here? Why are they so scared of
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: being honest and transparent?
• 36:03
  Speaker 7: Because it's because truth.
• 36:05
  Speaker 9: If you shine a light on the truth, they're exposed.
• 36:09
  Speaker 9: What it is at the moment is they're hiding behind
• 36:11
  Speaker 9: It's not actually law this three part test that you
• 36:14
  Speaker 9: have to be dissent, self identify, and be recognized.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: That's only very.
• 36:19
  Speaker 9: Specific to some legislation where it's law. In the general population,
• 36:24
  Speaker 9: you just have people say, where's you descent?
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Well, they say, we don't.
• 36:29
  Speaker 9: We don't demand firm evidence. All we need someone is
• 36:32
  Speaker 9: to sign a stat deck. That's evidence enough for us.
• 36:35
  Speaker 9: So technically the universities are not breaking the law. They're
• 36:39
  Speaker 9: making millions of dollars because by having more Indigenous students
• 36:43
  Speaker 9: and professors, they get more government grants. Right, So ands
• 36:48
  Speaker 9: fakes make very good Aboriginal academics in some ways. I
• 36:51
  Speaker 9: shouldn't say this, but sometimes they make a better Aboriginal
• 36:54
  Speaker 9: academic than a real Aboriginal person because they come from
• 36:57
  Speaker 9: different backgrounds and they know the talk, they know how
• 37:00
  Speaker 9: to speak, they know how to do it. And that's
• 37:03
  Speaker 9: why the universities are very scared because it's a cash cow,
• 37:08
  Speaker 9: and if the vice chances on a million dollars or
• 37:11
  Speaker 9: a million and a half, he needs all the money
• 37:13
  Speaker 9: he can get, simple as that ross cash.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: You have done brilliant work on darkimoexposed dot org trying
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: to uncover some of this. It's an absolute scandal, And
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: the biggest scandal for me is that even though you've
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: done all the work, almost no media organization is picking
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: up on this and asking the same questions themselves. But
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: you keep doing it, and I think there'll be a
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: breakthrough one day. Thank you so much. All right, thank you, Andrew.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: After the break Donald Trump threatens to hit Australia with tariffs.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Why didn't Alvin Easy know? And will it hurt us?
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: President Donald Trump was on his plane to go watch
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: today's Super Bowl. What a boring one that world turned
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: out to be when he lowered the boom tariffs on
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: all imports to the US of steel and aluminum, no exceptions,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: including for Australia. Very simply, if they charge us, we
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: charged them.
• 38:18
  Speaker 9: Any Steele coming into the United States is going to
• 38:21
  Speaker 9: have a twenty five percent terrify every country.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Every country. It seems the Prime Minister Anthony alban Easy
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: and our ambassador Kevin Rudd, we're both blindsided. Hadn't seen
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: this announcement coming exactly. Although Albaniz, you did say you
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: really had a call schedule with Trump in the next
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: twenty four hours. Turns out that to good timing. But
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: it is only a second phone call since Trump was
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: elected three months ago, probably his second phone call ever
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: joined me as Saul Cavonic, Head of Energy Australia at
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: MST Financial Soul. Great to see you again. Now on
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: its own, this shouldn't be a body blow, right. We
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: export less than what is it, six and forty million
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: dollars of steel to the US last year. Oh, that's right.
• 39:08
  Speaker 8: It's not a huge hit to our economy the way,
• 39:10
  Speaker 8: and if the government can actually find an opportunity here
• 39:13
  Speaker 8: to find a way for us to become exempt, it's
• 39:15
  Speaker 8: actually an opportunity. But it is a big deal if
• 39:20
  Speaker 8: the government fails in that regard, and particularly if they
• 39:23
  Speaker 8: allow more dumping of some of the surplus stock, that
• 39:25
  Speaker 8: will result into Australia very big deal to some of
• 39:28
  Speaker 8: Australia's steel workers. A lot of blue collar workers in
• 39:31
  Speaker 8: Australia are already suffering job losses or potentially more job
• 39:36
  Speaker 8: losses because of hyked energy and security and energy costs.
• 39:40
  Speaker 8: And it's these kind of increasing global competition where this
• 39:45
  Speaker 8: America first under Trump, where they're charging ahead, unburdened by
• 39:49
  Speaker 8: things like climate policy and over regulation, and in that
• 39:53
  Speaker 8: global arena, just like with sports, Unfortunately, Australia with energy
• 39:59
  Speaker 8: used to be our competitive advantage, and now we are
• 40:02
  Speaker 8: shedding that economic muscle mass due to the policies of
• 40:05
  Speaker 8: the last two years, which is killing our competitive advantage
• 40:08
  Speaker 8: we've built up over four decades.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: You've written a couple of brilliant pieces for The Australian
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: recently on exactly this point. I mean, to me, you're right.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, this just proves the insanity of the global
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: warming schemes that have made literacy is so expensive and
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: unreliable and therefore harder for us still makes Xeno million
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: plants sustained business. But so I just wonder how you
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: know it's clear that energie Minister Crispon's plans to go
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: green are and chaos. Yet another example today, just today,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: it's like almost every day now. Nearly a decade ago,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: you had a shonky British industrial list saying hit come
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: it by wireless steel Works, which you did, and it's
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: saved them by going green. Here is.
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  Speaker 10: British industrialist and owner of Wireless steel Works, Sanjeev Gupta,
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  Speaker 10: has began to use hydrogen instead to make what's known
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  Speaker 10: as green steel.
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  Speaker 1: For US, this is our one best hoop for the
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  Speaker 1: illegiate future. So just last year Chris Bowen announced he
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  Speaker 1: was giving Gupta's Bayola Steel Works sixty three million dollars
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  Speaker 1: of our money to go green. But today the South
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  Speaker 1: Austrian premier is warning to pay the steelworks bills because
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  Speaker 1: it knows tens of millions of dollars to the government
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  Speaker 1: more money to supplies. It looks like it's going belly up.
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  Speaker 1: What does all this stell you.
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  Speaker 8: Well, it's just another example of Minster, Chris Bowen being
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  Speaker 8: in this case duped into green steel. He fell for
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  Speaker 8: the hydrogen hype. We've seen a procession of essentially picking
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  Speaker 8: winners which have turned out to be losers since twenty
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  Speaker 8: twenty two. Like the truth is, Andrew, If this is
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  Speaker 8: just a case of Chris Bowen and the Labor government
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  Speaker 8: picking some winners and having some losers, most governments do that,
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  Speaker 8: and we can disagree on the direction. But the bigger
• 42:03
  Speaker 8: problem we have here is we've witnessed almost this special
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  Speaker 8: level of a neptitude where every single part of our
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  Speaker 8: energy system is a loser at the moment. You know,
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  Speaker 8: there's this misconception that the one's prioritized renewables over fossil fuels,
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  Speaker 8: and there's a very good debate there, But I just
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  Speaker 8: want to be clear. The renewables industry is deeply disappointed.
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  Speaker 8: Renewables growth is at record lows, far below the growth
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  Speaker 8: we saw during the Coalition. Gas investment is down, Coal
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  Speaker 8: investment is down. The tax burden to subsidize energy generation
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  Speaker 8: and users is higher. Right, jobs are being lost in
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  Speaker 8: our manufacturing sector. It's almost impossible to discern a winner here.
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  Speaker 8: So the ideological preferences aside the issue we're facing. It
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  Speaker 8: is just a thorough level of incompetence and being able
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  Speaker 8: to manage the department to deliver any kind of outcomes.
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  Speaker 8: And the anti business hostility we've seen in is seeing energy,
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  Speaker 8: is seeing investment appetite drop across the board, across every
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  Speaker 8: energy type, across every stakeholder and energy market.
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  Speaker 1: No, I haven't seen anything like Chris Bones since I
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: once saw a drunkard a casino at Alice Springs at
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: about three am in the morning or whatever it was.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that's the vision I'm getting a sort
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: of ONNICA may just say your articles have been splendid,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: I which people have read them on these trains website
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: thank you very much. After the break, Prince Harry bites
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  Speaker 1: back after Donald Trump insults his wife, but does Trump
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  Speaker 1: care as it's cheer At the super Bowl, Donald Trump
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: has made more history. He was today the first sitting
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: US president to attend the super Bowl, which is found
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: incredible meeting first responders but being treated himself as a
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: bit of a hero. Fun but pop superstar Taylor Swift,
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  Speaker 1: who told fans to vote for Kamala Harrison instead, was booed, or,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: to be fair, her boyfriend was playing for one of
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: the teams. The Kansas City Chiefs joined me. His author
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  Speaker 1: broadcasting column sister Crek it's there. I think it's the
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  Speaker 1: first time I've ever seen the politician getting more cheers
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  Speaker 1: than the pop star there. But he's absolutely swamping the media.
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  Speaker 1: I've never seen this domination before from any leader, well
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  Speaker 1: not in my recent lifetime anyway.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, it's really kind of a natural revolution. It's very
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  Speaker 10: g grassroots, you know, people led revolution. The fact, I
• 44:46
  Speaker 10: never thought in my life I would ever see Taylor
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  Speaker 10: Swift to get booed. I think you should have taken
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  Speaker 10: her parents advice and stayed out with politics. It's a
• 44:53
  Speaker 10: strange fixation on the narcissists in Hollywood that think that
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  Speaker 10: actually they hold enough sway in public opinion that they
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  Speaker 10: the millionaire class of society somehow should tell the ordinary
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  Speaker 10: people who to vote for because they have the same problems.
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  Speaker 1: It's completely ludicrous.
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  Speaker 10: They often forget that they're there to entertain and not
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  Speaker 10: to be moral arbiters or political philosophers. But Trump helped
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  Speaker 10: didn't hold back on truth social basically mocking Taylor Swift,
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  Speaker 10: which is, you know, a bit juvenile and it's not
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  Speaker 10: the classy thing you want to see from an American president. However,
• 45:20
  Speaker 10: it's a bit of shardened for it because people that
• 45:22
  Speaker 10: were maligned for the four years of Biden's presidency, called
• 45:26
  Speaker 10: racists and deplorables and and all sorts of you know,
• 45:30
  Speaker 10: unsavory words, they feel like they're getting their vengeance now.
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  Speaker 10: And it's this is what happens when you kind of
• 45:35
  Speaker 10: reduce politics to just you know, tasteless name calling. Eventually
• 45:38
  Speaker 10: your time will come up, and then Trump is enjoying
• 45:40
  Speaker 10: his time right now.
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  Speaker 1: Of off absolutely well, you mentioned class list there esther,
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  Speaker 1: and this is the problem and it's very entertaining, but yes,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: it is classless. Trump did and this is the good
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: bit he did, at least tell Prince Harry not to worry.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: He's not going to do what a lot of people
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: have wanted him to do and throw Prince Harry out
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  Speaker 1: of the US because of his admitted history of drug use,
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  Speaker 1: which is an immigration No, no, you can't do that,
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  Speaker 1: he said. And this is where he then spoil it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. I'll leave him alone.
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  Speaker 1: He's got enough problems with his wife. She's terrible. Now
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  Speaker 1: Harry is now hit back with a little speech of
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  Speaker 1: the Victor's Games, seeming to reference Trump at.
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  Speaker 11: This moment when there is no shortage of crisis, no
• 46:28
  Speaker 11: absence of uncertainty, no lack of weak moral character.
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  Speaker 1: In the world, weak moral character. Look, it was very
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: brutal of Donald Trump, wasn't it? Or did you find
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  Speaker 1: it entertaining?
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  Speaker 10: I can tell you now the whole of Britain was laughing.
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  Speaker 1: It was probably the funniest thing.
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  Speaker 10: On social media and in mainstream media as well, which
• 46:56
  Speaker 10: laps it up. Unfortunately, many people didn't seem to disagree.
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  Speaker 10: I mean, I don't know if you saw Megan's impromptu
• 47:02
  Speaker 10: speech and the victims in Victors Games, where she wasn't
• 47:05
  Speaker 10: planning on speaking, but somehow managed to talk people's ears off.
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  Speaker 10: But you know, many people in this country just have
• 47:10
  Speaker 10: the sense that, like Harry is not very intelligent, and
• 47:13
  Speaker 10: he's being led like a dog wagging its tail by
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  Speaker 10: his very American, very very headstrong wife. Now, of course,
• 47:24
  Speaker 10: again this was annecessary comment from Trump, but he's who
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  Speaker 10: he is. He's giving us entertainment, even if it's not
• 47:30
  Speaker 10: necessarily very high brow. And unfortunately, you know, Harry has
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  Speaker 10: no comebacks. This is a couple that said that they
• 47:36
  Speaker 10: wanted their privacy and then did everything in their power
• 47:38
  Speaker 10: to not get their privacy. I can't imagine anything that
• 47:40
  Speaker 10: shats is their privacy more than the leader of the
• 47:42
  Speaker 10: United States calling your wife terrible, which is like, it's
• 47:46
  Speaker 10: just hilarious. Who can deny that?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I gotta say, I mean, again, you mentioned Shad
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: and Freuda or the opposite in Trump's case, Mega Michael
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  Speaker 1: has said pretty worse things about the Royals, So I
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: guess she's got it coming back at it.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, certainly. I mean I can tell you who was laughing,
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  Speaker 10: the Prince and Princess of Wales. I can absolutely guarantee
• 48:12
  Speaker 10: that the entire Royal Court were having the time of
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  Speaker 10: their lives laughing at this, because you have to remember
• 48:17
  Speaker 10: the President Trump still holds the Royal family in some regard,
• 48:19
  Speaker 10: which is kissed on the saving grace, and I'm pretty
• 48:22
  Speaker 10: sure they've done a lot of heavy lifting in terms
• 48:23
  Speaker 10: of smoothing over the relationship between the US and the UK.
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  Speaker 1: So for them to.
• 48:27
  Speaker 10: See sort of their their prodigal son and being trashed
• 48:30
  Speaker 10: in this way, but the American President certainly feels satisfying
• 48:33
  Speaker 10: and in many ways gratifying.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: I think so too. It's the crack. You're always great
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  Speaker 1: to speak to you. Thank you so much. That's suit
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  Speaker 1: for me. Coming up next, Cherry maxon good Night