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180: This Movie is our Baby · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian and
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  Speaker 1: this week we have three special guest co-hosts. I'll let
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  Speaker 1: you guys introduce yourselves.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Amy Simons and I'm the director of Sun Don't Shine.
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  Speaker 7: I'm Caitlin Shiel, and I acted in Sun Don't Shine.
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  Speaker 6: I'm Kit Tucker-Odley, and I acted in Sun Don't Shine.
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  Speaker 6: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So obviously you guys are here to show your film,
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  Speaker 1: Sun Don't Shine. I guess we can start with that,
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  Speaker 1: with the movie as a whole. I like that in
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  Speaker 1: the rundown on the film, it's got you, Amy, listed
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  Speaker 1: as an indie film veteran. Which I only then pictured
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  Speaker 1: celluloid shrapnel and some sort of battle scars. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I guess you want to go into any of that.
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  Speaker 1: How much of that has gone into what led you
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  Speaker 1: to make this movie? Working in many indie films over
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  Speaker 1: the years now.
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  Speaker 2: I like the indie film veteran because it makes it
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  Speaker 2: feel like I'm retired. So now there's no pressure to
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  Speaker 2: do anything else. Already I'm a veteran. So that's kind
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  Speaker 2: of nice. I like that wording. But no, I write, act, produce, direct.
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  Speaker 2: So I guess that's why I would be a veteran.
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  Speaker 2: It's a, yeah. It's a big term for not really
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  Speaker 2: much work.
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  Speaker 1: She's just going. Oh, let's see. So I guess, just
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  Speaker 1: getting into this movie, is it you had been doing
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  Speaker 1: other movies and were having issues with trying to direct
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  Speaker 1: other people's films? Is that what sort of planted the
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  Speaker 1: seed to get this one rolling?
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  Speaker 2: I started out as writing and directing, and then eventually...
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  Speaker 2: I would put myself in my stuff and then eventually
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  Speaker 2: started acting for other people. And so, but yes, when
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  Speaker 2: I was, I knew I needed to make another movie
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  Speaker 2: again when I was telling the director what would be better. So, um,
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  Speaker 2: but we do, I mean, like, like at this, by
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  Speaker 2: the same, the same token, we've got, we've got another
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  Speaker 2: guest in the background. Um, by that same token, we
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  Speaker 2: all work in very collaborative, uh, in a very collaborative way.
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  Speaker 2: with filmmakers or, you know, not all the time, but
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  Speaker 2: with filmmakers who are open to suggestions. So it's easy
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  Speaker 2: to find yourself in a situation where you feel like
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  Speaker 2: your opinion is going to be considered. But for some directors,
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  Speaker 2: they don't really want the actors to be doing that.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I knew that I needed to do something. Plus,
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  Speaker 2: it's nice to have something that's like, you know... It's
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  Speaker 2: nice to have something that's your own and you have
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  Speaker 2: control over each aspect and you're kind of running the ship,
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  Speaker 2: I guess.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: At that point you knew you needed to make something.
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  Speaker 1: Had this idea already been sort of rolling around up
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  Speaker 1: there or did it just make you want to come
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  Speaker 1: up with a story?
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  Speaker 2: I knew that I wanted to work with... Kentucky and
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  Speaker 2: Kate and that was it and Kentucky and I were
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  Speaker 2: trying to come up with ideas and we were discussing
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  Speaker 2: sort of like I really wanted to make something that
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  Speaker 2: was really entertaining and thrillery and I think early on
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  Speaker 2: Kentucky and I were talking about we wanted to make
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  Speaker 2: something that audiences would really get excited or would enjoy
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  Speaker 2: watching outside of film festivals something that's exciting and and
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  Speaker 2: works within some genre elements whether it's a comedy or
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  Speaker 2: a thriller or a horror it's like you know with
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  Speaker 2: film with independent film um you sometimes are making films
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  Speaker 2: for festival audiences and we wanted to make something that
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  Speaker 2: could transcend it and so we had been tossing around
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  Speaker 2: a lot of ideas and and then i had had
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  Speaker 2: this reoccurring nightmare for a really long time and i
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  Speaker 2: told him that and then we decided that that was
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  Speaker 2: better than whatever we could come up.
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  Speaker 1: With so those usually work it's it's those deep-seated thoughts
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  Speaker 1: that yeah they kind of usually play really well with
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  Speaker 1: everybody they fears that everybody has probably so yeah i
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  Speaker 1: guess just um i mean getting into this with you
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  Speaker 1: guys how how collaborative was it as far as just
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  Speaker 1: piecing the you know did you have the overall story
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  Speaker 1: or did you start sort of working with it as
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  Speaker 1: you went along or Amy.
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  Speaker 7: Would send us emails for probably, what, six months before
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  Speaker 7: we actually went to Florida and started filming, so she
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  Speaker 7: was sort of working out the plot on her own
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  Speaker 7: and then keeping us abreast of the developments. But in
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  Speaker 7: terms of, I mean, we talked a lot about the character,
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  Speaker 7: but the script was, at least by my estimation, entirely
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  Speaker 7: created by Amy and then delivered to me at various increments.
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  Speaker 7: there was some minimal improvisation on set. I think probably
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  Speaker 7: more on Kentucky's part than mine.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I wasn't like a stickler for dialogue and
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  Speaker 2: that's always like the, everyone wants to know if it's improvised. We,
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  Speaker 2: we've all worked in improvised settings, so there's benefits to that.
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  Speaker 2: And then there's, there's downsides to that. And we were
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  Speaker 2: shooting on film, so it couldn't, I didn't, I didn't
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  Speaker 2: want it to be completely improvised dialogue because we needed
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  Speaker 2: to it's very plot oriented. And so there's certain things
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  Speaker 2: that need to be revealed. So there's certain things that
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  Speaker 2: need to be said. So, um, I sent it in
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  Speaker 2: prose to them as it was developing. I mean, the
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  Speaker 2: idea in an, in a nutshell, um, I hate when
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  Speaker 2: I say nutshell, but I use it all the time. Um, is, was,
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  Speaker 2: is based, is basically, is basically, is basically what, um, my,
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  Speaker 2: my nightmare was, which is these lovers on the run. And,
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  Speaker 2: And then I translated it for them because I wrote
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  Speaker 2: it for them, the characters for Kate and Kentucky. And
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  Speaker 2: because I did that, it was easier for us to
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  Speaker 2: be looser on the dialogue because I wrote it, I
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  Speaker 2: catered it to them and I knew that they both are,
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  Speaker 2: he's a filmmaker and she's a writer and actress and
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  Speaker 2: so I knew that they would be able to come
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  Speaker 2: up with ideas that could, improvising or ideas we could
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  Speaker 2: work out before we started shooting that would be a
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  Speaker 2: part of the script.
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  Speaker 1: Did you, again, going into any, any film, once you
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  Speaker 1: get it done, that's, you know, probably less trouble than
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  Speaker 1: getting it out there to people. Did you already have
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  Speaker 1: sort of a plan on how you were going to
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  Speaker 1: get it out to people or was it planned out
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  Speaker 1: as Film Fest or, you know, now there's so many
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  Speaker 1: other options as far as ways that you can find
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  Speaker 1: your audience as far as, you know, streaming or internet or.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll talk a little bit about that, but then
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  Speaker 2: Tucker should talk about what he's doing with that specifically
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  Speaker 2: because it's really exciting. We just planned on doing the
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  Speaker 2: festival route just because I knew we could get it
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  Speaker 2: into festivals. And if it turned out good, that sounds serious,
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  Speaker 2: but if it turned out good, we can get it
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  Speaker 2: in somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of festivals.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that we're at a point where
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  Speaker 2: we're straddling... um, whether we need festival, the festival structure,
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  Speaker 2: or if you just release it yourself. And if you
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  Speaker 2: don't have it built in from the beginning, it's almost
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  Speaker 2: like you kind of have to try for the festivals.
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  Speaker 2: If you don't have like a plan for exactly what
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  Speaker 2: you're going to do with it, self distribution wise. Cause
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  Speaker 2: I really think that the films benefit if you plan
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  Speaker 2: on doing self distribution, I think they really benefit when
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  Speaker 2: you have that idea in your brain from the get
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  Speaker 2: go and that you're going to do it yourself. Um,
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  Speaker 2: But again, no one really knows because it's like a
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  Speaker 2: turning point for everything.
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  Speaker 8: Definitely.
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  Speaker 2: But Kentucky's doing these no-budget screenings online. You should talk
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  Speaker 2: about that.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm, of course, in the dark equally, probably even
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  Speaker 10: more so than everybody else that's trying to figure out
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  Speaker 10: the transition.
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  Speaker 6: To more.
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  Speaker 7: Of a.
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  Speaker 10: digital VOD relationship with seeing our work and not expecting
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  Speaker 10: to have a theatrical or DVD life necessarily so it's
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  Speaker 10: it's a very strange time but yeah what I'm doing
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  Speaker 10: with I started a website called No Buds that is
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  Speaker 10: just online cinema tech basically that has special screenings and live.
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  Speaker 6: Q & A' s with independent films But that doesn't really
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  Speaker 6: make sense for.
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  Speaker 10: Films other than really, really personal, no-budget movies, because there's
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  Speaker 10: no money involved, and there's really not a huge audience
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  Speaker 10: for people who are interested in watching movies online, and
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  Speaker 10: that being the only way they're available. So I'm very
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  Speaker 10: interested to see how this film will play out, because
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  Speaker 10: I think it's very, very accessible.
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  Speaker 6: I think it should be in theaters.
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  Speaker 10: And it's a fun, visceral, exciting movie to see in
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  Speaker 10: theaters and with a good sound and a good big projection.
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  Speaker 10: I don't know where we stand with that, but I
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  Speaker 10: don't think that online or even DVD is sufficient for
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  Speaker 10: a film like this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, in one way, it's opening up so
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  Speaker 1: many new doors that you can get the film out
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  Speaker 1: to people. But yeah, it is sort of... robbing that
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  Speaker 1: basic element of, of, you know, showing movies the way
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  Speaker 1: they were meant to be seen.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But that, and that's why I think it's interesting. Like
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  Speaker 2: what I was saying before is like, I think that the,
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  Speaker 2: the films we're going to see that are going to
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  Speaker 2: do really well are films that know that they're not
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  Speaker 2: going to have a theatrical and they know that like
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  Speaker 2: maybe they'll, they'll do a theatrical in like New York
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  Speaker 2: or LA just to get, um, reviewed, which is basically
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  Speaker 2: why you really need theatrical anyways these days, which is
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  Speaker 2: sad because no one's going to movies. But, um, But
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  Speaker 2: I think when people have that knowledge, you'll see a
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  Speaker 2: shift in the way stories are told. And they'll probably
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  Speaker 2: be much shorter. I don't know. I see it in
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  Speaker 2: film festivals anyways. Movies are getting shorter and shorter and shorter.
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  Speaker 2: The cutoff for a feature, even like five years ago,
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  Speaker 2: I think it was 80 minutes. And it was really
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  Speaker 2: hard to get these in-between numbers, like 50 minutes, 60 minutes,
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  Speaker 2: 70 minutes into festivals as a feature. And now I
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  Speaker 2: think the cutoff is 60, and in some festivals, 50
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  Speaker 2: minutes for a feature. And I think it's because of
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  Speaker 2: the attention span and how movies are being viewed now,
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  Speaker 2: which is online. And I think people just have a
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  Speaker 2: shorter attention span.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I just was going to go into sort of
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  Speaker 1: the whole scene more or less. I mean, you've all
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  Speaker 1: worked in a lot of movies and have worked together
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  Speaker 1: in a lot of different movies. Is it just the
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  Speaker 1: indie film scene and sort of the family that it's
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  Speaker 1: built in all the filmmakers and the actors?
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  Speaker 12: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: How do you see that versus working in like the
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  Speaker 1: big studio system? And is it something that, Because I've
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  Speaker 1: asked this from people before. Is it something that you
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  Speaker 1: specifically try to keep on that path so that you
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  Speaker 1: don't have to deal with a lot of the problems
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  Speaker 1: that the bigger studios come up with?
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's a complicated question. Because I think that when
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  Speaker 2: I was 20 or 18, 19, 20, when I decided
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  Speaker 2: to do films in general, I think that even though
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  Speaker 2: I was making these really strange, strange, strange movies early on,
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  Speaker 2: I thought that a, that I could be just as
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  Speaker 2: big and make as much money as Steven Spielberg. But like,
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  Speaker 2: it was like, like I was like, and I'm glad
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  Speaker 2: I was that delusional. Cause I was just like making
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  Speaker 2: these movies that I just wanted to make and like
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  Speaker 2: had no concept of how they fit in the world.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that that's like, I think, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: obviously I can't tell people they have to find their
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  Speaker 2: own path, but I think that people lose that, um,
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  Speaker 2: that idea of just making movies that you want to
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  Speaker 2: see and being like slightly delusional. Cause I think you
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  Speaker 2: do have to be delusional in order to go into it.
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  Speaker 2: And like you, I always go back to like what,
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  Speaker 2: what I was making when I was 18, which is like, well, what,
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  Speaker 2: what do I want to see? Cause like anytime I
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  Speaker 2: sit down the right to like, be like, this is
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  Speaker 2: going to be, this is, yeah, she's upset by this too. What,
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  Speaker 2: what are people gonna, what are people gonna like? You know,
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  Speaker 2: she like, it's, I can't, I get frozen. I have
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  Speaker 2: no idea how to do that. And so, so like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I, I always feel like you have
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  Speaker 2: to start with, with what you, what you want or
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  Speaker 2: be a little delusional and think that you actually can
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  Speaker 2: fit in to like the, like not see the distinctions
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  Speaker 2: between experimental or Hollywood or all this stuff and just
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  Speaker 2: be making stuff. And then later after getting rejected, you realize.
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  Speaker 9: Where you fit in.
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  Speaker 6: Um, should we explain that this is our, um, Amy
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  Speaker 6: and Kate.
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  Speaker 12: And I's baby.
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  Speaker 2: We made this baby on set. Aside from having a
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  Speaker 2: beautiful film, we now have a 10-month-old baby. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 2: we had a baby. Where were we? Oh, but the...
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know where we are.
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  Speaker 6: Well, about the scene.
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  Speaker 6: I'm just of the opinion that... Well, not of the opinion.
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  Speaker 10: I just feel like the people that I'm most excited
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  Speaker 10: about working with just happen to be making movies on
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  Speaker 10: their own. And I certainly don't feel in a rush
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  Speaker 10: to make movies in a different style or with more
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  Speaker 10: money involved just because the people... The most exciting artists
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  Speaker 10: are really doing it in a maverick way and doing
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  Speaker 10: it on their own.
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  Speaker 13: And I.
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  Speaker 10: I don't want to hurry to get away from that.
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  Speaker 10: So it just happens. It's not that I'm particularly trying
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  Speaker 10: to avoid making movies for studios or being involved in
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  Speaker 10: that world.
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  Speaker 6: It's just I don't see the.
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  Speaker 10: I'm not as excited about those films because, you know,
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  Speaker 10: for whatever reason, I guess primarily because of this financial
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  Speaker 10: situation and them having to make money and not being
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  Speaker 10: able to take artistic risk.
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  Speaker 2: There's that, and it's also like when you, there's so,
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  Speaker 2: there's so many routes to go about it, to go
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  Speaker 2: about making films. And the, the most frustrating and depressing
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  Speaker 2: is to do the traditional Hollywood route because you, because
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  Speaker 2: it's just like, I don't, it's, I don't know. It's
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  Speaker 2: just really, it's filled with rejection. And, and I'm not
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  Speaker 2: saying that like, it doesn't work, you know, for some people,
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  Speaker 2: but you can sit around for years and years and
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  Speaker 2: years and keep trying and trying and trying for that
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  Speaker 2: thing and not generate any work and keep calling yourself
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  Speaker 2: a filmmaker or keep calling yourself an actor. And I
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  Speaker 2: don't mean that as a condescending thing because I've done
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  Speaker 2: it before. I tried it and then I just realized
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  Speaker 2: I just always go back to making my own stuff
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  Speaker 2: because one, all of my favorite films from years past
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  Speaker 2: are all independent films and they become iconic and classic
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  Speaker 2: in a way that some like pop or a lot
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  Speaker 2: of hollywood films don't they don't stick yeah for me personally.
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  Speaker 1: I think i mean the way that you were describing
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  Speaker 1: you making your early films i think any good filmmaker
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  Speaker 1: like even people who end up making huge mainstream movies
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  Speaker 1: you really i mean to make something good you kind
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  Speaker 1: of have to go into it with that selfish idea
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  Speaker 1: of you know what you want to make right i
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  Speaker 1: would i would think otherwise it is going to be
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  Speaker 1: one of those you doing nothing but worrying about what
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  Speaker 1: other people like, and it gets to be this weird
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  Speaker 1: watered down thing. So yeah, I don't know. I would hope,
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  Speaker 1: you know, even the few, the few filmmakers that have
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  Speaker 1: sort of broken through and become like big filmmakers in the,
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  Speaker 1: in the studio system still seem like they kind of
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  Speaker 1: have that, that same idea that they'll, they're still fighting
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  Speaker 1: for that idea of what they.
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  Speaker 12: Want to make.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Um, other stuff I know, you know, you've mentioned some
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  Speaker 1: of the stuff you've done. You've done a lot of
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  Speaker 1: other jobs. Like, on the movies that you've done in
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  Speaker 1: the past, you end up doing several jobs. Is that
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  Speaker 1: just how you operate? Is it just your work ethic
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  Speaker 1: is being an actress and producer, you know? And a writer.
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  Speaker 1: Is it, I don't know, just how you work as
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  Speaker 1: far as a basic work ethic?
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  Speaker 2: I think that... Yeah. That's such a weird... I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the thing is, is I.
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  Speaker 2: Like kate and kentucky can talk about this too is
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  Speaker 2: like on this on on smaller movies but even on
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  Speaker 2: like bigger movies too if you're if because you generate
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  Speaker 2: your own work and because you're because you're making your
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  Speaker 2: own stuff or because you're collaborating with so many people
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: like a lot of a lot of times i always
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: just initially when i would um a lot of stuff
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: that i would produce that i didn't wouldn't get credit
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: for i refused to get credit for was because i
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: was just being a conduit for people and just be
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: like oh this guy's great and it's all about connecting
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: people yeah Whereas the concept, and this is later when
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: people would bring me into these larger companies to try
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: to produce for them, I realized that they were trying
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: to exploit those resources, and I didn't realize they were resources.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to connect artists to people that were
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: good at something and wanted to be working and wanted
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: to do this and that. So it's it's a little
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: amorphous to me, but I guess it's, it's the same
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: thing in Hollywood, in Hollywood of what producing is. I
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: didn't know that that was producing. And I guess that's
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: how I ended up producing.
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Like again, naive and sort of, and sort of like
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: delusional about it being like, Oh, I'm not a producer
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: and I just will help you do whatever you want. And, um,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: and obviously it gets time consuming if that becomes your,
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: your goal. But I, I guess I, I started getting
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: producer credits just because I would be doing it, and
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: then later was like, even with people now, I'll help
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: them with casting or help them with locations or whatever,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: and I don't need to build up my resume so
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: that I can get a giant job in the studio system.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: And again, when we did Silver Bullets, Kate and I,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: there were scenes that I was in, and it was
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: just me, Joe, and Kate shooting this movie And so
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: there were times when it was just Joe and Kate
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: in a scene and I'd be operating camera and holding
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: a boom. And then sometimes it'd be me and Joe
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: in a scene and Kate would be operating camera and
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: holding a boom. And so you just, I feel like
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: the group of people that we like working with are
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: people that know how to do everything or are not
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: offended when they're asked to do another job, I guess.
• 21:06
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: I think that's, yeah, kind of important.
• 21:10
  Speaker 7: I guess, yeah.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: I guess. I guess they are. There's exceptions. There's real assholes, too, so.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Here's the list.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: That's why I didn't include Kit Tucker in this conversation.
• 21:20
  Speaker 12: Wow.
• 21:21
  Speaker 9: That reminded me of her a second. I can't handle it.
• 21:28
  Speaker 14: Well, I don't care if the sun don't shine I
• 21:31
  Speaker 14: get my lovin' in the evening time when I'm With
• 21:35
  Speaker 14: my baby Well, it ain't no fun with the sun
• 21:39
  Speaker 14: around I get going when the sun goes down And
• 21:42
  Speaker 14: I'm with my baby Well, that's when we're.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Gonna kiss and kiss and kiss and kiss.
• 21:48
  Speaker 14: And we're gonna kiss some more Who cares how many
• 21:51
  Speaker 14: times we kiss?
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Cause at a time like this, who keeps going?
• 21:54
  Speaker 9: Well, I don't care.
• 21:56
  Speaker 14: If the sun don't shine I get my lovin' in
• 21:58
  Speaker 14: the evening time When I meet my baby.
• 22:08
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• 22:11
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• 22:14
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• 23:00
  Speaker 5: Don, let me put it to you straight. We're not
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: here to get you. But you've got to understand, you're
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: in junior high now. This goes in the computer, on
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: your record.
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: Hey, Lena, what are you looking at?
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Nothing.
• 23:15
  Speaker 9: You didn't come in here to wash your hands.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, I did.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Hi, Dawn.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: We were just wondering, are you a lesbian?
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: Brandon, I can't be your girlfriend.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: I'm in love with someone else.
• 23:28
  Speaker 13: Who?
• 23:29
  Speaker 7: Steve Rogers in high school.
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: Who's Steve Rogers?
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: Well, Steve Rogers is only like one of the most
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: popular guys in class. Steve, Steve, you will fall in
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: love with me.
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: You will take me away from this place.
• 23:43
  Speaker 9: Dawn, for you.
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: I'm thinking of using this one for my first album cover.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, Steve, they're all so beautiful.
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: You better get ready.
• 23:51
  Speaker 9: Steve! I have to talk to you.
• 23:54
  Speaker 12: Well, Steve is horny.
• 23:55
  Speaker 9: How horny.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: He'd go out with anyone as long as it was
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: a girl and willing.
• 23:59
  Speaker 9: You mean, having a divorce?
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Duh. You're her older sister, and Missy loves you.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: I love you.
• 24:12
  Speaker 9: You do not.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: I do not.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: You are not leaving this table until you tell your
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: sister that you love.
• 24:20
  Speaker 13: Her.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Do you think about girls?
• 24:24
  Speaker 11: What, are you kidding?
• 24:25
  Speaker 9: I want to get into a good school.
• 24:28
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• 25:12
  Speaker 12: Hey kids, it's time again for the Fright Night Horror Weekend.
• 25:16
  Speaker 12: Coming June 29th through July 1st, at the Galthouse Hotel
• 25:19
  Speaker 12: and Convention Center in Louisville, Kentucky. This year's guests include
• 25:23
  Speaker 12: Bruce Campbell, Sean Astin, Corey Feldman, John Rhys-Davies, the fifth
• 25:28
  Speaker 12: Doctor himself, Peter Davison, plus James Marsters and Nicholas Brendan,
• 25:33
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• 25:38
  Speaker 12: Elise McCarthy, Sid Haig, Caroline Williams, and Luke Perry. Plus,
• 25:43
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• 25:46
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• 25:49
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• 25:51
  Speaker 12: Squad reunion, and an Evil Dead 2 reunion. Plus a
• 25:55
  Speaker 12: wide array of filmmakers, artists, and vendors will be on hand,
• 25:58
  Speaker 12: including a special appearance by your friends at Movie Meltdown.
• 26:02
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• 26:06
  Speaker 12: two conventions combined to bring you all the pop culture
• 26:08
  Speaker 12: action you can cram into one weekend. That's June 29th
• 26:11
  Speaker 12: through July 1st at the Gold House Hotel and Convention
• 26:14
  Speaker 12: Center in Louisville, Kentucky. So just go to FrightNightFilmFest.com for
• 26:18
  Speaker 12: all the details.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: Two minutes till showtime.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Talk to you about something very important today. That's outside
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: the cinema. I know a lot of you listening now
• 26:41
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• 26:44
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• 27:00
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• 27:32
  Speaker 9: Hi, this is Jess Wexler. You're listening to Movie Meltdown.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Our movie's The Lie.
• 27:39
  Speaker 11: And hi, this is Joshua Leonard.
• 27:40
  Speaker 8: You're listening to Movie Meltdown.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Thanks for being with us today or tonight or whenever
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: you happen to be listening to this.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: It's part of your problem, you know.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: You haven't seen enough movies.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: All of life's riddles are answered in the movies.
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: And now, on with the show.
• 28:09
  Speaker 15: But I am here to say That I like vitamin
• 28:16
  Speaker 15: love But I can't get vitamin love With that doggone sun.
• 28:24
  Speaker 11: Above I don't care if the sun don't shine I
• 28:30
  Speaker 11: get my lovin' in the evening time When I'm with
• 28:35
  Speaker 11: my baby It's no fun with the sun around But
• 28:41
  Speaker 11: I get going when the sun goes down And I
• 28:45
  Speaker 11: meet my baby That's when we kiss and kiss and
• 28:51
  Speaker 11: kiss and then we kiss some more.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: It's kind of true. With filmmaking, especially even with Alison Bagnell,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: with producing her movie, my concept for all of that stuff,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: and even with Joe, is if you can just get
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: people into a town and have a camera, then there
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: will be a movie made. And even when it doesn't
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: seem like it's going to happen, You just buy plane
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: tickets and make sure there's a camera there. Yeah. And
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: then you just know that something's going to happen, whether
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: or not it's whatever you intended. I guess that's all
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: you need.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: That gets it going.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:31
  Speaker 12: Oh, man.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Well, I usually like to go into you know sort
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: of what what led you down this path um what
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: was there a movie or like a series of movies
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: that that sort of inspired you to not only you
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: know be interested in movies but actually want to work
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: in film.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Were there movies that um I guess I grew up
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: in Florida and I didn't grow up in in culture
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: with like artist parents um or anything like that. And
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: that's not to diss my parents, it's just they weren't
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: into the arts. But my mom works in a hospital
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: and my dad was a real estate broker. And so
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: I wasn't in that world. And so I came to
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: a lot of things that people were exposed to earlier
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: a lot later. And so I started out with just
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: sort of the 90s, the typical 90s independent films.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the wave of indie films that hit.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: I loved, well, John Waters. I loved John Waters. And
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: mostly because I hadn't, my family, aside from having very
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: normal jobs, they're really strange people. And I didn't ever
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: feel like I saw them in movies until I started
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: watching movies. weird off like people pink flamingos is closer
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: to a family reunion than like um what is it
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: the family stone or what's another good one see i
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: don't even remember any john who huh john who john
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: who yeah yeah yeah or um or or and then
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: i also liked um Welcome to the Dollhouse.
• 31:22
  Speaker 12: Oh, yeah.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: That was one of the reasons that I applied to NYU. Yeah.
• 31:27
  Speaker 9: That's what I was going to say, too.
• 31:28
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Dollhouse was just, like, so... It just
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: hit a tenor of humor and weirdness that I didn't
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: know you could do. I didn't know it was allowed.
• 31:38
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: And the same thing with John Waters is, like, these
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: are people that were doing things that I didn't know
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: was allowed on screen.
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: And you.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: And it's funny because I still love them. I still
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: think those films are fantastic. And it's the same thing
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: in writing, too. I went to school for literature and writing,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: and you learn all these rules, and then they keep
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: telling you that you can break them later. And I'm like,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: I don't understand this concept. Why not just break them
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: and make whatever you want right now, and you'll just
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: learn along the way what works?
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, why give you the rules if they then turn
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: around and tell you to break them?
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah.
• 32:16
  Speaker 10: Uh, when I was in eighth grade, I saw the
• 32:17
  Speaker 10: MTV movie awards and on that, uh, there was a,
• 32:20
  Speaker 10: one of the awards went to Wes Anderson for bottle
• 32:22
  Speaker 10: rocket and I had never heard of it. And then
• 32:23
  Speaker 10: when I, um, I went back and watched it based
• 32:27
  Speaker 10: on that and just gradually became obsessed with it. Um,
• 32:31
  Speaker 10: the author high school, I was obsessed with, with it and, uh,
• 32:35
  Speaker 10: made a pilgrimage to meet Wes Anderson and Jason Schwartzman
• 32:38
  Speaker 10: when they were on a Rushmore bus tour.
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: And, um, talked with the guys for a bit, took
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: some snapshots.
• 32:47
  Speaker 10: Eventually, I grew out of that, but I realized that
• 32:53
  Speaker 10: before I ever wanted to make films, I had no
• 32:57
  Speaker 10: idea I wanted to make films this entire period of
• 32:59
  Speaker 10: being obsessed with this movie. And then I graduated, I thought, well,
• 33:02
  Speaker 10: I'm not obsessed with anything else the way I'm obsessed
• 33:04
  Speaker 10: with this movie. So that kind of led me into thinking, well,
• 33:08
  Speaker 10: maybe that's where I should head. So that's... the initial
• 33:13
  Speaker 10: film that got me into thinking about films, even though
• 33:15
  Speaker 10: it was probably five years after seeing it that I
• 33:18
  Speaker 10: even envisioned the possibility of doing it, because, like, Amy,
• 33:21
  Speaker 10: my family is not artistically inclined to people, and no
• 33:28
  Speaker 10: real connection to independent film or independent art in general.
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: I grew up here in Kentucky. Is this based in Kentucky?
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the show is, yeah.
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so I grew up in Lexington, and not a
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: real haven for... Artistic, progressive art.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, my family's great fodder for... They're
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: great fodder for film, but they're not. But you grew
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: up close to the city. Kate grew up close to
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: the city.
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I grew up in Jersey City, but we didn't
• 33:59
  Speaker 7: go into the city. We went to Broadway plays, musicals.
• 34:05
  Speaker 7: My dad is actually very interested in movies, but we.
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: You know, I wasn't really, it was like whatever new
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: movies were out, and he also liked old Hollywood stuff,
• 34:17
  Speaker 7: so I did watch quite a bit of that when
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: I was younger, but I mean, yeah, I remember watching
• 34:22
  Speaker 7: Welcome to the Dollhouse with him, and that was kind
• 34:24
  Speaker 7: of a seminal moment, and he was very silent, and
• 34:29
  Speaker 7: then the scene where Don gets fingered, my dad just
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: got up and turned off So.
• 34:38
  Speaker 9: I walked upstairs without saying anything. And then sometime later
• 34:45
  Speaker 9: I finished the movie on my own.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Which is probably for the best. Yeah. That is, I mean,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: I remember seeing that in the theater, that first release
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: when it came out. And it is one of those
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: that kind of hits you. Like you don't expect it to,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: I guess. You don't know what you're getting yourself into.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: And it's such a weird... connect with people that kind
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: of grew up like.
• 35:05
  Speaker 12: That more or less.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: I think it is one of those that hit you
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: in a weird personal way. So it's interesting that everybody
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: sort of had that response.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Because it just hits a tone and it hits like
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: and she's so likable and relatable and you have so
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: much like empathy and sympathy for her but it doesn't
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: lose its weirdness. It never goes out of the way
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: to like give you these moments that where it's like
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: It's like now we can see that all she wants
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: is to be a ballerina and she's trying really hard to...
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Or whatever. It just allowed it to just be this
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: girl that's having a hard time in life as opposed
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: to overly telling you it.
• 35:52
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: That movie's great for me.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, that sort of leads to... We like to
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: do a lot of... you know, things that you have
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: geeky obsessions with. So we, uh, I was going to
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: throw that out there too. Uh, what, what you're into,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: it can be, you know, more movie type stuff or
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: just in general, I throw it out there. And, uh,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: I should mention if, you know, I talked to you
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: about this, but yeah, we, Amy, you at least have
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: worked with, uh, with Jess Wexler, who we unofficially adopted
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: into the family of our show or the cult that
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: we are, whatever it is. And, um, Yeah, I posed
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: this to her, and this is when she veered off
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: into weird areas. So if you want to make fun
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: of her for it later, this is the point where
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: she went on a tangent of talking about how to
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: make cheese for like 15 or 20 minutes. She knows
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: how to make cheese?
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: This is a surprise to me.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Nut cheese.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, nut cheese. Yeah, she said that she's obsessed with
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: cashew cheese. Yeah, she's very specific. You use miso and, like, yeah.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: This is exactly... She did it for me when I
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: went to her house last day.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: That doesn't surprise me.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's really obsessed with cashew cheese. And she's, like,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: obsessed with the fact that it really tastes like cheese
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: and it does not taste like cheese. It's really good.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: And I was vegan for a long time, but I
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: was having dreams about ripping apart cows, and I decided
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: that I needed a hamburger.
• 37:17
  Speaker 15: So.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: I can't be a vegan, but she does it really well,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: but she insists that it tastes like cheddar, and it
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: does not. It tastes like cashew cheese, and it's great.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: It's really good, whatever it is, but it's not.
• 37:33
  Speaker 15: Cheese, Jess.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: She's threatened to come and make it next time she comes,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: so I'm looking forward to her nut cheese nachos, or
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: whatever she's going to call these things she makes.
• 37:42
  Speaker 9: She is, isn't she?
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: But, yeah, if you want to go down that terrible
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: road that she went down.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Making, I don't know. I mean, I like, I think,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: did I make us key lime pies? And I made
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: us key lime pies, Berry, Florida, and granola for our shoot.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: And I like, like, cooking and baking calms me down. Cooking, baking,
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: and sewing, as, like, aggressive as my movie is... the
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: like the things that calm me down are very like
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: domestic like I'm like I need to sew something if
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: I feel really crazy and out of sorts I think
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: it's because it's constructive and I can see the results
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: and no one like no one can talk to me
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: when I'm sewing like because the if they start talking
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: to me I can just turn the machine on and
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: then it shuts them up so it's like this very
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: focused mathematical thing and so is baking like it's all
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: mathematical and it just accesses this other part of your
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: brain that you don't have to, like, I will overanalyze
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: everything to the point where it's just, I don't even
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: know what it is anymore. Like, where it's like, oh,
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: my boyfriend broke up with me and by that point, like,
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: I don't even know that it happened because I've overanalyzed
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: it Like to the point where it's like, did it
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: really happen or didn't it? Am I dreaming or not dreaming?
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'll just bake because then I'll know
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: if it's real or not.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: And you come to and you have 4,000 brownies.
• 39:04
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Brownies, key lime pies. Yeah. Yeah.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Well, I like that you, yeah, you use that. It
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: could just be there's a grandmother hiding inside of you,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: but no, you've taken the scientific route.
• 39:17
  Speaker 12: I like that.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's really nice. It's really nice to do something
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: constructive while you're, being crazy. I once, wait, did I
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: ever tell you guys this? When I was when I
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: lived in San Francisco I don't know what I was
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: going through I moved there when I was like 20
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: and I I was so I don't know what now
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: looking back at it after having real problems I don't
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: know what I was so anxious and depressed about but
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: for whatever reason I had just like life and anxiety
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: and and I was having it, and I upholstered my
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: entire floor.
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: I upholstered.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: I took couch fabric. I bought scraps of couch fabric.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: So it's a patchwork as well as being upholstered?
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: It looks like this real, it was like, I'm messy anyways, but, like,
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: by that point, it was just, like, all this upholstery,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: different pieces of upholstery fabric all over the floor, and
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: it was, like, the most confusing and, like, anxiety invoking
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: room that you could possibly walk into. It looked like
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: a gypsy circus tent on the floor, but I like
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: pillowed it. So I carpet and I took the upholstery
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: fabric and like would like pillow the floor. So people
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: would walk in and it felt like I was like
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: almost patting myself.
• 40:31
  Speaker 9: Into this room.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Well, that says a lot.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: But I, because I was like, I don't know what
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: to do. I'll post upholster the floor. Which is just
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: wildly insane. And things that you do when you have
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: time when you're 20. Like, I don't have time to
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: do that anymore.
• 40:49
  Speaker 9: You would. I would.
• 40:50
  Speaker 14: I would.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: If I had time, I'd totally do it.
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: It's like it's time to get back to that poster board.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: But I'm only in a city, like, you know, two
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: days at a time, so I don't have enough time.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Once you get this filmmaking out of the way, you
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: focus on that.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: Now that I'm a veteran.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you've retired, so you can get into that floor
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: upholstering business.
• 41:08
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: I want to hear what they're obsessed with.
• 41:11
  Speaker 9: Because now I'm embarrassed.
• 41:13
  Speaker 10: Well, I wish I had an alternative, constructive obsession other
• 41:17
  Speaker 10: than films or internet.
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I just watch movies all day. That's all I'm
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: obsessed with.
• 41:26
  Speaker 10: And then I go to the computer and figure out
• 41:28
  Speaker 10: how to program or figure out.
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: How to social medias. Gosh.
• 41:35
  Speaker 12: Gosh.
• 41:36
  Speaker 10: I'm a real lame person these days.
• 41:39
  Speaker 12: I really.
• 41:39
  Speaker 8: I.
• 41:41
  Speaker 10: Worry every day how lame I'm becoming. And I wish
• 41:45
  Speaker 10: that I knew something better to do with my time.
• 41:48
  Speaker 6: I think it's just temporary.
• 41:49
  Speaker 10: I think I'm going to get away from movies and
• 41:51
  Speaker 10: internet within a couple years. And then I'll have a
• 41:54
  Speaker 10: proper obsession. At this point, those are my two ones.
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: I'm probably equally.
• 42:05
  Speaker 7: boring but that doesn't sound boring to me it sounds
• 42:08
  Speaker 7: nice i watch movies i guess quite a bit and
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: i also like to cook um.
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: And bake i guess.
• 42:18
  Speaker 7: Accomplishable tasks are pretty pretty nice when acting is what
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: i do primarily and that's sort of you never know
• 42:26
  Speaker 7: there's no real like check that went well you know
• 42:30
  Speaker 7: so like something that you can do like a math
• 42:32
  Speaker 7: problem is really exciting to me like that worked.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah equations are great equations are you guys get it
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: though i'm really i was used to me i was
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: like that was what my family like i'm a failure
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: to my family because like i was supposed to be
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: like the math rock star and like i i applied
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: to all these i got into a bunch of schools
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: for math And I got a scholarship for math. And
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: then I'm like, I'm going to do film. But equations
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: are great to me because there's an answer. And that's why.
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: You still have the.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: The attraction to it? Yeah. Yeah, because there's an answer.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: It always has to equal equations. It always has to
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: equal zero. Like algebraically, if there's always... There is nothing
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: else it can be but zero. And, like, that is
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: probably the only thing in the world that's that perfect, is, like,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: an equation. There's nothing else.
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: You know that's all bullshit, right? That stuff doesn't make sense.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, now I need to bake, because now you're, like,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: rocking my world. You're making it explode. The only thing
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: that felt safe was an equation.
• 43:37
  Speaker 10: Simple math and equation-based math does not equate to the
• 43:41
  Speaker 10: real world.
• 43:42
  Speaker 6: See, like, this 1 plus 1 doesn't add up.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: That's not an equation.
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: I said simple math plus equation. One plus one equals two.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Are you sure?
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: You need the equals for equations.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: I'm not big on this fancy math.
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: It's dumb.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Were you officially a mathlete? I think that's my favorite.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: I was a mathlete. Oh, wow.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: That's my favorite nerdy term.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: I was straight up Reese Witherspoon in high school where
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: I did every Flick for mathly president. Yeah, I was
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: senior class president. And like, yeah.
• 44:25
  Speaker 8: Embarrassing.
• 44:28
  Speaker 10: Not really but you know again achievement is very embarrassing achievement.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Is so embarrassing like i was friends with bad girls
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: and i got made fun of for like i love
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: all my all my friends outside of school were bad
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: girls you should.
• 44:43
  Speaker 10: Have done what i did when i was when i
• 44:45
  Speaker 10: was that age i made sure that i was not
• 44:47
  Speaker 10: smart but i didn't try and i skyrocketed popularity and
• 44:52
  Speaker 10: and to this day that's That was a very fundamental
• 44:55
  Speaker 10: decision I made in my life, that I was not
• 44:57
  Speaker 10: going to be smart or cool.
• 44:58
  Speaker 6: I mean, I was going to be cool and not smart.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: That didn't work for me at all. Because I didn't
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: claim to be smart, and I wasn't. And I still
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: wasn't cool. There was no upside for me. As usual,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: I've been doing something wrong. If you ever go back,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I'll be right there with you. Well, they let me
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: back in grade school. I think they asked me not
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: to hang around the parking lot now.
• 45:19
  Speaker 9: No, they don't. It's a shame.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Oh well everybody sort of mentioned you know the the
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: love of watching movies there there's a a term that
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: one of the the guys on the show used recently
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: and i hadn't really used it before that but now
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: i'm i'm wondering how people take to it he he
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: was discussing comfort movies does anybody in you know essence
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: you know the same as a comfort food that you
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: you go back to is does anybody have something that
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: that sort of fits that bill that you return to.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: I watch um One of the other movies that is
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: an influence on Sundown Shine is, there's hints of it,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: is Urban Cowboy with John Travolta. And that, it's not
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: a nice movie. I don't know why my mother let
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: me watch that when I was like three or four
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: or five. Because it's 1981, I was born that year.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Because it was on cable nonstop.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, and I just would watch it. My sister
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: and I loved Urban Cowboy.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Because that's when I saw it many times.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Well, because they're dancing, they're riding bulls, and then, like,
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: there's other stuff, like, other really traumatic, awful things that
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: little girls should not be watching.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: You go back now and watch it and see some
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: of the weird abuse going on and then alcoholism.
• 46:35
  Speaker 9: Oh, my God.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But I also liked that it was, it wasn't,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: they were poor people, you know?
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: And I did.
• 46:43
  Speaker 6: You're poor.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: Huh?
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: I like how you're poor.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: I like that you guys are poor. It's fun. That
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: and another John Travolta movie, Saturday Night Fever, is another
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: comfort movie. That movie's so dark and so good, and
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: it's known for its dancing. Yeah, yeah. And I love
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: dance movies.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Even new ones? Even Step Up 2?
• 47:05
  Speaker 13: Oh, yes.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Step Up 3D? For sure.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Dancers are amazing. I can watch dancers... I don't care
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: what the plot's like. It's like, oh God, I'm about
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: to sit. It's like, I don't care what the plot's like.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: It's similar to the way that people who love porn
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: don't care what the plots are. I love watching dancing.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Dance porn.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Some people watch people get naked and have sex.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Dance porn.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Foot in your mouth, foot in your mouth.
• 47:31
  Speaker 10: I can't think of any comfort movies other than, I
• 47:34
  Speaker 10: love watching all the country music movies, any of them.
• 47:37
  Speaker 6: And I don't even, I make sure not to look
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: at their titles because I just, I don't even care.
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: I just love country music.
• 47:44
  Speaker 10: They're all very similar. It'll come up to, even country songs.
• 47:49
  Speaker 10: I'm like, any country music movie I love. What's the
• 47:52
  Speaker 10: one with Robert Duvall? Tender Mercy.
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: Tender Mercy.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: That started it all.
• 47:56
  Speaker 10: So it's like, that's a real comfort movie I'll go
• 48:00
  Speaker 10: back and watch that every once in a while but
• 48:03
  Speaker 10: anything there's country music songs I don't know I just
• 48:07
  Speaker 10: started to love country music in the last two years
• 48:09
  Speaker 10: but that's another.
• 48:10
  Speaker 7: That's a comfort yeah I like watching Gregory's Girl because
• 48:17
  Speaker 7: basically nothing happens.
• 48:20
  Speaker 9: And it's really nice it's.
• 48:23
  Speaker 7: Just such a nice movie to watch I just fall
• 48:25
  Speaker 7: asleep to that sometimes And for, like, thrillers from the
• 48:35
  Speaker 7: 80s and up to the mid-90s are, like, they just
• 48:40
  Speaker 7: feel so great to me when I watch them.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: Poison Ivy.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:44
  Speaker 9: I love Poison Ivy.
• 48:45
  Speaker 7: Like, basic instincts, jagged edge type movies. They're just so
• 48:49
  Speaker 7: much fun for me.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Fatal Attraction.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Anything with Michael Douglas.
• 48:52
  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah. I was just watching Disclosure the other night.
• 48:56
  Speaker 12: Ooh.
• 48:57
  Speaker 10: Um that sounds real fun was that that's a million
• 49:00
  Speaker 10: one million dollars okay that made me so upset i
• 49:08
  Speaker 10: never saw the plot is what it sounds like.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Million i'll give you a million dollars for what for
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: one night with you and your wife.
• 49:14
  Speaker 9: One night? Yeah.
• 49:15
  Speaker 6: Robert Redford.
• 49:17
  Speaker 13: Shit.
• 49:17
  Speaker 9: One night, huh? One night.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Contemplating this.
• 49:19
  Speaker 12: What happens?
• 49:20
  Speaker 6: What happens? Do you guys? I keep wanting to go.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: To Sundance and have that happen, everyone. I keep thinking
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: I'll show up at Sundance and Robert Redford will be like,
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: one million dollars.
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: With you.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: One night. And I'm like, this is awesome.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: For one night with Tucker.
• 49:35
  Speaker 9: There is no conflict.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: That's the thing, it wouldn't be you.
• 49:42
  Speaker 12: No.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: It's one night with Kentucky.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's one night with, yeah.
• 49:46
  Speaker 9: What?
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: You're like, well, let me think.
• 49:49
  Speaker 8: Okay, shit.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: That would be awesome, because it would be like Sundance Kid.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: It would be like, because he rents me a phone.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: Paul Newman.
• 49:58
  Speaker 6: I want to do Gigolo movies. That's what that reminds
• 50:02
  Speaker 6: me of. And I got one coming up, so stay tuned.
• 50:04
  Speaker 9: We're not even going to title it.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: This is one of those going straight to the internet.
• 50:12
  Speaker 9: I don't know.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Well, I guess in general, have you been watching anything recently?
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: That's new.
• 50:22
  Speaker 6: Three movies a day.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Either one, I guess, if you've seen anything recent. But yeah,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: just sort of stuff you've been watching lately.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: Festival stuff. I've just seen a lot of festival movies recently.
• 50:33
  Speaker 9: And then.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Let's see. What do we watch?
• 50:37
  Speaker 6: My favorite TV show. Can I talk about that?
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:39
  Speaker 9: That's better.
• 50:40
  Speaker 6: The only TV show I watch is TMZ. What does
• 50:42
  Speaker 6: that stand for?
• 50:43
  Speaker 8: Does anybody know?
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, TMZ.
• 50:44
  Speaker 6: No, I don't know.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Too much....
• 50:47
  Speaker 10: I don't know i don't know do you guys watch
• 50:50
  Speaker 10: that it's it's on constantly um yeah do i set
• 50:54
  Speaker 10: out to watch it no but every time i turn
• 50:56
  Speaker 10: around i'm like wait who do they have now it
• 50:58
  Speaker 10: doesn't matter who they're getting the dynamic in that office
• 51:01
  Speaker 10: is incredible.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: That's that's what became fascinating not the footage but yeah
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: the fact that we're supposed to care and then after
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: a while.
• 51:08
  Speaker 10: You like you do know the characters oh i know
• 51:11
  Speaker 10: you know they're the best people on tv because they
• 51:14
  Speaker 10: don't i mean no they don't really care either you
• 51:16
  Speaker 10: know like they don't care about celebrities or at least
• 51:18
  Speaker 10: they have a really interesting um uh they're they're really
• 51:23
  Speaker 10: they're like normal all the they're normal people they're like
• 51:26
  Speaker 10: the most normal people you can ever imagine and they're
• 51:29
  Speaker 10: basically just making fun of those people and it's really
• 51:31
  Speaker 10: there's a lot of different um social sociologies going on
• 51:36
  Speaker 10: there i think it's really fascinating.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: I guess it is at this point. I think it's
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: almost as fascinating, us watching it, as we need some
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: sort of psychological study being done on everybody involved.
• 51:48
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I love the whole celebrity thing. I'm Still Here
• 51:51
  Speaker 10: was one of my favorite movies of the last ten.
• 51:54
  Speaker 6: Years, probably.
• 51:55
  Speaker 9: I love that movie. It's one of the funniest movies.
• 51:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's one that.
• 52:02
  Speaker 10: When they first came out with Netflix on the computer,
• 52:04
  Speaker 10: on the TV, probably when I first got it, I
• 52:07
  Speaker 10: would just keep that movie on in my house all day.
• 52:12
  Speaker 10: And I've watched that movie more than any movie I know,
• 52:15
  Speaker 10: I think.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Anything, I know you're sort of working the circuit on
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: that one. Do you have new stuff that's already kind
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: of in the works that you need to put the
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: work out, or just stuff that you've got already planning
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: ahead on?
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have stuff, but I don't like talking about
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: it until it's done. That's kind of the fun thing
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: that we do. We didn't say that we even shot
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: a movie until it was completely done, which was great
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: for me.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: Or there's other stuff out there that people should look for.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: You've all got a lot of good stuff that's been
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: in the last few years, more or less. If you
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: want to put the word out on any of that.
• 52:58
  Speaker 8: Feel free to.
• 52:59
  Speaker 6: I'd like to say first that I would.
• 53:01
  Speaker 10: that I want Amy to let me be the first
• 53:04
  Speaker 10: to know about your new projects.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. She'll let you know what she's
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: done with it.
• 53:12
  Speaker 6: Give me some parts.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: The work for an actor never ends.
• 53:17
  Speaker 6: This is the right time to talk about it.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: Non-private.
• 53:24
  Speaker 10: If Amy doesn't give me parts in movies, I will
• 53:27
  Speaker 10: be a complete failure for the rest of my life.
• 53:29
  Speaker 10: And I would have been if she hadn't put me
• 53:31
  Speaker 10: in this movie. I'm only half joking. But, yeah, I
• 53:36
  Speaker 10: think we're all working on a lot of other stuff.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: Kate's in, like, 18 movies this year. She also worked
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: with Jess Weissel and somebody. And she's in the comedy
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: that's playing here.
• 53:51
  Speaker 9: It's playing tomorrow night.
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  Speaker 7: Comedy. There's a movie called Empire Builder directed by Chris Swanberg,
• 53:58
  Speaker 7: that's playing around at festivals now that people should definitely
• 54:01
  Speaker 7: check out because Chris is super talented. And there's a
• 54:07
  Speaker 7: movie called First Winter that's also playing at festivals now that.
• 54:10
  Speaker 9: Was directed by Ben Dickinson.
• 54:14
  Speaker 7: There's a lot of good stuff that I was lucky
• 54:17
  Speaker 7: enough to be a part of.
• 54:19
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I think this is an amazing year for American
• 54:22
  Speaker 10: independent films and Kate's been in most of them.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: I see.
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  Speaker 6: No hyperbole.
• 54:29
  Speaker 12: It's true.
• 54:30
  Speaker 6: It's a really special, I think, year that's going on.
• 54:34
  Speaker 9: There's a lot of good stuff out there.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's always the backlog of stuff that I.
• 54:41
  Speaker 9: Could talk about.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I can talk about stuff. I
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: don't like talking about it until it's out, I guess.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 54:49
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I agree.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: It's such a hard game to.
• 54:54
  Speaker 9: to play.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: I don't, yeah. And I don't know if those people
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: want me talking about it.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: No.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: But, yeah. When I, last year, the off hours, I
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: think you can, you can still buy a DVD for that.
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: And, um, it's on Netflix. And, um, Tiny Furniture's on
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: Instant Now on Netflix. But, Lena, Lena Dunham's doing well
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: for herself, so, um, I really like that movie.
• 55:21
  Speaker 6: It's really funny.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: And then, um, Silver Bullets. You can still buy DVDs
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: through Factory 25. That's how Kate and I met. And
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: you can buy Open 5, which is how Kentucky and
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: I met as well.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: Do you want to play that one?
• 55:39
  Speaker 6: I make smaller movies, and that's one of them.
• 55:43
  Speaker 10: Amy acted in a part in, and then I'm making
• 55:46
  Speaker 10: a sequel to that, Open 5 2, which is not
• 55:50
  Speaker 10: a true sequel.
• 55:51
  Speaker 6: It's sort of a playing with the idea of a
• 55:53
  Speaker 6: sequel and.
• 55:55
  Speaker 10: That's about that's about done I've been working on that
• 55:58
  Speaker 10: for the last three years and that'll that'll be rounded
• 56:02
  Speaker 10: out by a third close the trilogy of a tiny
• 56:08
  Speaker 10: movie no one cared to see in the first place
• 56:10
  Speaker 10: but alright I wanted.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: To go ahead and make three of those that's the
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: way to do it I mean finish what you want
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: to do back to that you know don't worry about what.
• 56:20
  Speaker 6: Anybody else Like, no, I'm just going to put it
• 56:22
  Speaker 6: out of prediction.
• 56:23
  Speaker 10: I've got, like, at least, excuse you, I'm calling at
• 56:28
  Speaker 10: least 200 people will see this series 10 years from now.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: Once it finds that fan base.
• 56:36
  Speaker 6: There's 200 people out there 10 years from now.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: They're going to be really, like, like, like, avid fans.
• 56:44
  Speaker 6: Maybe not.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: Almost rabid.
• 56:46
  Speaker 6: No, I think at that point they'll just be like,
• 56:48
  Speaker 6: it won't even be that. It'll just be like, they
• 56:50
  Speaker 6: like it all right. I'll get 200 people to watch it.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: It'll be like this. Have you heard of that guy, Kentucky? Yeah,
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: I've heard of him. You've seen his movies?
• 56:56
  Speaker 6: Uh-huh.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: And somewhere you'll sense that and.
• 57:01
  Speaker 6: You'll be like, yes!
• 57:03
  Speaker 10: It's a weird thing that's happening because a couple of
• 57:06
  Speaker 10: acting jobs I've done is completely different than my personal films.
• 57:09
  Speaker 10: And people will see my acting and they're like, I
• 57:12
  Speaker 10: like that guy. Those are some good roles. And then
• 57:14
  Speaker 10: they'll watch my movies and they're like, that's not what
• 57:16
  Speaker 10: I expected. It happens all the time. They're really inaccessible.
• 57:21
  Speaker 10: I mean, they're hard to be excited about.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: I'm excited about them.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: Well, there you go. See, that was one.
• 57:29
  Speaker 6: I'm one of two.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: 199 more to go.
• 57:32
  Speaker 6: Petition.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: All right, well, if nothing else, you've pushed a few
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: of the movies that people need to go find, and
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: I agree. So is there places for them to go
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: look for you online? Do you want people to come
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: find you online? Are you worried about cyber stalking? It's
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: up to you, but if you'd like to... promote any, uh,
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: websites or, uh, anything for the current movie or just your,
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: your individual project? No, we have a.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: Facebook page for Sun Don't Shine. And, um, and I
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: honestly only use my Facebook page for, to just post
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: screenings so anyone can friend me. Um, that's all, that's
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: the honest truth. I don't really think about cyber stalking,
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: which is probably gotta stop. But that's really, that's really,
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: but isn't that like self-involved? Like, I'm really afraid of cyber-stalking.
• 58:21
  Speaker 6: If you're self-involved, say, um, uh, be my friend so
• 58:24
  Speaker 6: I can promote myself to you.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, be my friend to promote myself. Um, I'm not
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: really thinking about cyber-stalking. Or should I?
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: There's no happy medium, is there? There's no middle ground.
• 58:34
  Speaker 10: I will not field your messages. This is a one-sided interaction.
• 58:39
  Speaker 10: I will push accept.
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: This is a monologue.
• 58:42
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 58:42
  Speaker 10: Um, I have a, uh, website, kentuckarodley.com, and I, like
• 58:47
  Speaker 10: I said, I run a, uh, a blog that showcases, uh,
• 58:51
  Speaker 10: no budget films.
• 58:52
  Speaker 6: That's called no budge. That's no budge films.com. That's my presence.
• 58:58
  Speaker 7: Uh, I don't have a website. I, I am on
• 59:01
  Speaker 7: Facebook and I also at this point just post screenings
• 59:05
  Speaker 7: that people should check out.
• 59:10
  Speaker 9: Yeah, so that's my only online presence.
• 59:13
  Speaker 12: I guess.
• 59:13
  Speaker 6: Cool.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: We will tell everybody to find you if they're interested
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: in screenings and make use of your website maybe. I'm
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: sure there's some filmmakers out there, so yeah, definitely. Well, otherwise,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: I guess tonight you'll have your showing of your movie.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: So I guess we will go ahead to that and
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: leave it at that.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: Thanks.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much. So, yeah, thanks for being on
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: the show this week. And otherwise, that about does it.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: We will return next week. Same geek time, same geek feed.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. I just want to tell you.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: I always feel like I'm going to record ambient sounds
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: or just something cool.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 6: You would bring it with you, like Bjork?
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 9: I have it all the time, yeah.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 12: All right.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 9: I did bring it.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: She has her flute, so I thought maybe I would
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: record her playing flute, but it didn't work out.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 6: Nothing ever happens.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 9: Nothing ever happens for me.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 6: You've never made anything.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: This is how I'm going to start the interview. Nice.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: Nothing ever works out for me.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 9: I've never accomplished any of my goals.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: We didn't even make a movie.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 9: I have so many goals.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: I fail at every single one.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: This is an uplifting motivation.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: It'd be better if we were trying to make a movie.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 9: We were just trying to record him.
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