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Kindergarten Con: Serial killer volunteers at school! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: For the last two years, Carla Hamolka has lived in
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  Speaker 1: this cozy cottage. We're told she's a stay at home
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  Speaker 1: mom with three children. A new life for the convicted
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  Speaker 1: schoolgirl killer. We don't want her there. Along with her
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  Speaker 1: then husband Paul Bernardo, she played a role in the
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  Speaker 1: sex killings of two schoolgirls and her fifteen year old sister.
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  Speaker 1: How would you feel knowing that your child is interacting
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  Speaker 1: with with a person who's a fearial killer. Since September,
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  Speaker 1: Homolka has been a regular fixture at Grieve's Adventist Academy.
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  Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. These moms and
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  Speaker 1: dads want Amolka to stay far away from the school.
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  Speaker 1: Is he's not supposed to be there? Why is she
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  Speaker 1: allowed to be in the school? Was a sex offender?
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  Speaker 1: I was a sex offender, carl I can I ask
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  Speaker 1: you a question? Do you volunteer or work a few school?
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  Speaker 1: Who are you? You know who I am? No? I
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  Speaker 1: don't know who we are? Who are you a news
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  Speaker 1: reporter for you? Did everybody see the movie? I think
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  Speaker 1: it was called Monster with Shirley's Theron and she was
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  Speaker 1: a serial killer. Female serial killers are extremely rare. And
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  Speaker 1: today it is proved that women are treated differently than
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  Speaker 1: men because a serial killer, a female serial killer who
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  Speaker 1: is implicated in the rape and murders of three teen girls,
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  Speaker 1: including her own sister, has been volunteering at the teen
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  Speaker 1: school girls school. Yeah, she's out of jail and it's
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  Speaker 1: volunteering at the victims schools. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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  Speaker 1: crime stories and the case of Carla Hamilica proves fact
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  Speaker 1: a stranger than fiction. I will never forget the case
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  Speaker 1: of Carlamulka. She is a killer who was jailed for
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  Speaker 1: the brutal rapes and murders of three little girls that
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  Speaker 1: we know of, including her own sister. She has gotten
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  Speaker 1: out of jail and just twelve years, actually less than
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  Speaker 1: twelve years, and has been spotted volunteering at the elementary
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  Speaker 1: school she served about twelve years after the conviction on
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  Speaker 1: the rapes and tortures of Christen French Leslie Mahaffee. She
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  Speaker 1: did this along with her then husband Paul Bernardo. Now
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  Speaker 1: this is what they would do. They would go trolling
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  Speaker 1: in the car for victims. They would get a little
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  Speaker 1: girl in the car, torture her with curling irons, hot
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  Speaker 1: curling irons all sorts of torture, rape them and kill them,
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  Speaker 1: and she got some kind of a crazy thrill out
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  Speaker 1: of doing this along with her freaky husband. It's just oh, now,
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  Speaker 1: this killer female rapist volunteers at a private Christian school
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  Speaker 1: where now her children are enrolled. I mean, it's more
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  Speaker 1: than I can even take in. I wonder if the
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  Speaker 1: moms and dads know who she is. I mean, the
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  Speaker 1: convicted killer recently supervised a group of kindergarten students during
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  Speaker 1: a field trip and was invited in to show the
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  Speaker 1: children how to knit, according to reports. I just keep
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  Speaker 1: looking at the photos of the three victims that we
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  Speaker 1: know off school girls, Kristen French, Leslie Mahaffy and her
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  Speaker 1: own fifteen year old sister Tammy. Mm hmm. This is
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  Speaker 1: um a seventh day at Venice Church where she is
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  Speaker 1: volunteering in the school, and they say they're fully aware
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  Speaker 1: of her history. Okay with me? Right now? Is Alan
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  Speaker 1: Duke on the story? I mean, Alan, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: anyone will ever forget, especially crime sleuths and crime aficionados,
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  Speaker 1: will forget the case of Carla Halmonka. Awful, awful, Carla.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't her who did the rape and murders. She
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  Speaker 1: was with her husband who had abused her. That's what
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  Speaker 1: the court record shows. That she was an unwilling accomplice.
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  Speaker 1: She got twelve years in prison three times. Three times.
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  Speaker 1: She was unwilling three times. What did you say to
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  Speaker 1: me the other day? Behind every bad woman is an
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  Speaker 1: even worse man. Yes, but I didn't say either of
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  Speaker 1: them should not go to jail or get the death penalty.
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  Speaker 1: I don't go along with She's been psychologically tested and
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  Speaker 1: she is not a psychopath according to all of the
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  Speaker 1: psychological testing that she's done. Yeah, she's just a stone
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  Speaker 1: cold killer. That's what she is. She was a wife,
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  Speaker 1: and she did her time twelve years. She's been out
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  Speaker 1: for twelve years and she's been fine. What's wrong with
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  Speaker 1: helping helping your your your relatives, your family, your community
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  Speaker 1: by supervising a field trip of kids at the local school.
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  Speaker 1: What's wrong with that? She's not alone with these kids.
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  Speaker 1: None of them have been murdered anything like that. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there's no indication that she's going to kill well. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: videotapes of the crimes surfaced after her plea bargain that
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  Speaker 1: proved she was a much more active participate it, and
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  Speaker 1: she had claimed and after those video tapes, they actually
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  Speaker 1: video taped raping and torturing these little girls before they
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  Speaker 1: killed them, and after the videos came out, the deal
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  Speaker 1: had already been struck. Prosecutors called it the deal with
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  Speaker 1: the Devil, and the public was outraged because the video
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  Speaker 1: show she was just as much a part of it
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  Speaker 1: as her husband. Little known fact, Alan missed that one.
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  Speaker 1: That is a little known fact. Video video tapes of
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  Speaker 1: the crimes surface after they strike the deal that showed
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  Speaker 1: that she is an active participant in the brutal rapes
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  Speaker 1: and murders of these little girls. Well, look, she's she
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  Speaker 1: she got out of prison, she got married, and she
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  Speaker 1: she had a son, she started a family. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: so she's just trying to get back into the life
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  Speaker 1: and into the world and volunteering at it. What's wrong
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  Speaker 1: with volunteering at a school. Well, she wouldn't be doing
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  Speaker 1: it with my kindergarten. I can tell that. What if
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  Speaker 1: it were a nursing home. Would you feel better if
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  Speaker 1: she was volunteering at a nursing home? Frankly, I don't
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  Speaker 1: feel good about her being out of jail because this
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  Speaker 1: was a huge travesty of justice. In my mind, the
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  Speaker 1: victims during the summer, Bernardo, the husband, became obsessed with
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  Speaker 1: her own younger sister, Tammy Homolka, and she agreed to
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  Speaker 1: help him. She drugged Tammy herself, and then they served
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  Speaker 1: Tammy a spaghetti dinner spiked with valium. She cooked the dinner,
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  Speaker 1: she spiked the food, and then they started raping and
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  Speaker 1: torturing her. It goes on and on and on. Then
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  Speaker 1: the girl started choking on her own vomit during this
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  Speaker 1: as she is being Then they used animal tranquilizers on her.
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  Speaker 1: I forgot that, and they both raped the girl while
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  Speaker 1: she was unconscious. Then Tammy, the little sister, choked on
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  Speaker 1: her own vomit and died before calling nine one one.
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  Speaker 1: She Karla Homolka, hid the evidence and redressed Tammy and
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  Speaker 1: moved her into a basement bedroom. That's what happened, and
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  Speaker 1: then she lied to police. I don't know how you
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  Speaker 1: excuse that by claiming the battered women's syndrome, which I'm
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  Speaker 1: not buying into this time. You don't believe it ever
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  Speaker 1: happens that a woman only I said this time, Alan,
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  Speaker 1: don't start with me. I volunteered at the Atlanta Battered
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  Speaker 1: Women's Center for ten years straight, volunteered, working the hotline
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  Speaker 1: and trying to raise money for them. So don't start
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  Speaker 1: with me about the batter woman syndrome. But batter women's
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  Speaker 1: syndrome is typically used when you finally snap and kill
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  Speaker 1: your abuser, not three separate girls that you torture with
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  Speaker 1: hot curling irons, rape and murder. Okay, that ain't working
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  Speaker 1: with me. Okay. The reason her husband was convicted was
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  Speaker 1: because she testified against him. Yeah, because she did that deal.
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  Speaker 1: She turned on him too. In fact, the prosecutor had
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  Speaker 1: the video tapes and said they show Homolka raping the
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  Speaker 1: four female victims, okay, having sex with a female prostitute
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  Speaker 1: in Atlantic City, and at another point drugging in another
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  Speaker 1: unconscious victim. So there's actually four victims, three and dead.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't see how you can use that theory.
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  Speaker 1: And now she's out up in an elementary school volunteering.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. I'm all fine for rehab, but not with
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  Speaker 1: my child in the class. That is not going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if these parents know, yes they do, In
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  Speaker 1: fact they don't. Some of them don't like it. There's
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  Speaker 1: one parent who said that that she doesn't like how
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  Speaker 1: it feels to know that your child is interacting with
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  Speaker 1: a person who is a serial killer. It's not right.
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  Speaker 1: That's a quote. Obviously, parents know. It's a private school,
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  Speaker 1: it's a Christian school. We're not talking about the government here.
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  Speaker 1: She's participating in things where she's not the only adult around.
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  Speaker 1: She goes to a show and tell in class, she
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  Speaker 1: drops in to pick up the children from school, she
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  Speaker 1: goes on a filled trip, actually making my stomach heart,
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  Speaker 1: My stomach is actually hurting thinking of some killer being
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  Speaker 1: around the twins. Because the prosecution's theory, and it was
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  Speaker 1: supported by witnesses, is that while the husband would rape
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  Speaker 1: the girls, she would be the one to actually kill them.
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  Speaker 1: And the revelations of that key piece of evidence that
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  Speaker 1: had been kept from police created a public furore when
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  Speaker 1: the public realized Homolka had been a willing accomplice. A
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  Speaker 1: willing accomplice. There's no do over on that kind of
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  Speaker 1: a thing, is there? No, there's no do ever. Once
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  Speaker 1: you strike a deal, it's a deal, and I would
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  Speaker 1: hate to be burned by that deal. Had you rather
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  Speaker 1: there be a known serial killer at your child's school,
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  Speaker 1: than an unknown serial killer. There's the bright side. They
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  Speaker 1: know who she is and they know to watch. Um,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, I don't think those are my only
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  Speaker 1: two choices, Alan, I don't think I have to have
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  Speaker 1: a serial killer around my children. Period. Okay, so she
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  Speaker 1: on that it's the law. No, actually they could banner there.
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  Speaker 1: But how I don't even know what you're saying. What's
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  Speaker 1: the law? She's free. She she's been out of prison
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  Speaker 1: for twelve years. She served as not the law, Alan,
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  Speaker 1: that she has to volunteer at an elementary school and
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  Speaker 1: they have to let her. Maybe prosecutors should have done
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  Speaker 1: and police should have done a better job in the
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  Speaker 1: first place. Why are prosecutors sometimes so easy? Maybe she
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't have killed three people. Maybe she shouldn't have killed
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  Speaker 1: three people and tortured them with hot curling iron. How
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  Speaker 1: about that? What's there to defend? She pled guilty. They
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  Speaker 1: followed the law, and she changed the law, changed the
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  Speaker 1: law then, or changed the prosecutors. Hey, I'm not talking
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  Speaker 1: about that, that's done. I'm talking about her volunteering in
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  Speaker 1: an elementary school. Well, she she's out of prison, she's off.
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  Speaker 1: There's nothing illegal about what she's doing. Follow the law.
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  Speaker 1: She's legally out. There's no law being broken here. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not saying the law is being broken, Alan, I'm saying
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  Speaker 1: it's wrong. What are you going to do about it?
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna put it on this podcast and hopefully something
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  Speaker 1: will come of it, because I think it's wrong to
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  Speaker 1: have a serial killer that prayed on little girls to
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  Speaker 1: be around little girls at an elementary school. It's not
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  Speaker 1: just a one time deal. There were multiple victims, multiple victims.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if you're just saying this
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  Speaker 1: just for the sake of argument, or if you actually
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  Speaker 1: believe it. But either way, it's crazy to suggest that
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  Speaker 1: she should be around children at this juncture. But there's
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  Speaker 1: no judge saying she shouldn't. There's no court order, there's
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  Speaker 1: no prohibition legally from her doing this. So change the
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  Speaker 1: law or or do something, file some documents or something.
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  Speaker 1: But nobody has done that. Well. Actually, upon her release,
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  Speaker 1: she was ordered forbidden to be with people under the
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  Speaker 1: age of sixteen. Then why aren't they enforcing it? So
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  Speaker 1: she is clearly violating that and nobody's doing anything about it. See,
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  Speaker 1: there's the problem. This is the violation of her order.
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  Speaker 1: There were nine points to her release conditions to tell
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  Speaker 1: police or home address, work address, and who she's living with,
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  Speaker 1: notified police if it changes, notified police if a change
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  Speaker 1: of her name. If she planned to be at home
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  Speaker 1: away from home more than forty eight hours, she had
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  Speaker 1: to give notice, could not contact co defendant number six
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  Speaker 1: for been, to be with people under sixteen drugs other
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  Speaker 1: than prescription forbidden, to continue therapy and counseling, and to
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  Speaker 1: provide police with the DNA sample. See, she's violating that
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  Speaker 1: and they're doing nothing. I agree something should be done
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  Speaker 1: if she's violating it. But my point is if if
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  Speaker 1: there is no order, is no prohibition, then she's got
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  Speaker 1: to be able to live her life. Well, you just
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  Speaker 1: heard me tell you what it want news to me.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. Well, I'm glad I couldn't liken you Allen.
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  Speaker 1: The school knows all about this. So this is what
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  Speaker 1: I know. Convicted teen killer. In other words, the girl
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  Speaker 1: Little Girls retains not her volunteering at a popular elementary school.
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  Speaker 1: M m mmmm mmmmm. And there's a picture of her
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  Speaker 1: with the dark glasses and the hair pull back, so
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  Speaker 1: nobody knows it's her. It's her, and she is in
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  Speaker 1: the media again. She's using a purse to hide her face.
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  Speaker 1: And I also don't understand how parents voice their concerns.
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  Speaker 1: Why they let it go on. The school knows about her.
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  Speaker 1: The school has said that they know who she is.
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  Speaker 1: They say she's not a regular volunteer and they rarely
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  Speaker 1: ever see her. But there are these occasions where she's
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  Speaker 1: been to the school and people are making such a
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  Speaker 1: big deal out of this, even though this is rare.
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  Speaker 1: She's never unsupervised. You know, they know who she is
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  Speaker 1: so they can watch her. A lawyer who represents the
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  Speaker 1: French and the Mahaffee families say, quote, it is still
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  Speaker 1: a kick in the guts to hear reports of Harmolka
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  Speaker 1: seemingly living a normal life when their beloved children have
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  Speaker 1: been kidnapped and murdered. They say, quote, these are joys
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  Speaker 1: the French and Mahaffee families will never enjoy because of
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  Speaker 1: Karla Homolka murdering their children. That's what the victims say.
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  Speaker 1: They add, I think she's dangerous and I would not
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  Speaker 1: take the chance with my children to be around her.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hm m mmmmmmmm. So your stance on this is
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  Speaker 1: that it's okay. You told me now that there's some
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  Speaker 1: kind of court order prohibiting her from doing that, then
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  Speaker 1: it's not okay. But my point is if there's not,
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  Speaker 1: then what are you gonna do. She's got to live
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  Speaker 1: her life. She has a family, she's doing normal things.
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  Speaker 1: She's been twelve years since she's been in prison. She
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  Speaker 1: got out and everything's fine. So just supervisor when she's
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  Speaker 1: there and it's rare. So she's got to live her life.
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  Speaker 1: She's out of prison. She am all for her living
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  Speaker 1: her life. Which is a bitter appeal for me to
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  Speaker 1: swallow that she's a three time killer. It's the law.
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  Speaker 1: But I was in the middle of the sentence Alan,
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  Speaker 1: but that does not mean she has to be around children,
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  Speaker 1: and I will leave it at that since we can
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  Speaker 1: agree to disagree. I'm talking about Carla Harmulica, serial killer
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  Speaker 1: now volunteering with little children in the school. Is letting her.
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  Speaker 1: That's just so bass backwards. Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off,
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  Speaker 1: Goodbye friend.