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Is Tik Tok Vanishing? #203 · The Magic Guys

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They're guys. They do magic. They are the Magic Guys.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to episode 203 of the Magic Guys.
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I know, I know last week I said 102.
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Thank you for the comments to remember I was 100 episodes behind.
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To my left, we've got Nick K. It's good to know that people are actually listening.
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It is very good. And down below, we have the return of Douglas.
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Look, I found my way back.
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What's up, y'all? Happy New Year, Merry Christmas, and, you know,
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salutations to the kindred spirits.
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Absolutely. It's good to have you back, man. We've heard about Daddy Doug.
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Everyone was just like, where's Daddy Doug? I was like, you had to buy a pack
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of smokes and kind of never came back.
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No, that was the appropriate vibe to have. It was a challenging holiday season
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for yours, truly, but, you know.
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Insane. Ebbs and flows. We're here in Australia watching just all of this crazy
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shit happen in the U.S. This country. This country.
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Bloody hell. I mean, it is pretty gnarly.
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So, I mean, at the time of this recording, because people might listen back
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to this, like Los Angeles is on fire.
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And like, it is the most expensive billions of dollars that have been damaged
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and houses that have been burned.
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Like he did his house burned down, which he's stoked about.
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Mel Gibson's lost his house. All these mansions have gone up.
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I'll tell you, the magic castle was this close.
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I was watching it. i'm thinking because of their you know maybe their notoriety
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and also their locale which my understanding they allowed some staging to happen
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for the fire departments there it's
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now a distribution point for you know people that need help or was and.
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Yeah whoa that was a close one you're just
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tragic it's it's so and our hearts our
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thoughts and prayers go out to everyone who's been affected by it most
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definitely i actually caught up with simon coronel now
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the fism winner and i saw him
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yesterday and same thing i was just like are you okay in la and
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he's like it got close man it got really close and he's flying out
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in two days to see what the sort of you know
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and yeah for god's sake be be safe and you
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know we wish you guys well everyone in la so
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yeah and then outside of that the inauguration
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everyone's been asking me about that like hey what do you think
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i'm like i've not even gotten around it not once or watched it or
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anything but the main thing that people are talking
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about outside of that is the whole tiktok game going on because
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supposedly we're supposed to have been shut down but then
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i believe it's been extended for another 90 days yeah doug give us the lowdown
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what happened when you first heard about it like actually going to be banned
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so you know i followed this since trump wanted to shut it down in 2020 and it's
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been a roller coaster ever since and they released some news about four or five months ago,
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I told my wife, I said, they're going to shut it down this time.
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And sure enough, they did.
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Is there an extension? No, not really. Trump wants everyone to think there is
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and that he saved TikTok.
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But in the bill that was passed, this 90-day extension, Biden was prepared to
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grant it, but pushed it to Trump, allowing him to do it. He hasn't done it yet.
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So, you know, right now it's all kind of in limbo.
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And even when this extension happens, it's only saving TikTok if it is sold.
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So speaking of it being sold, I did see a video earlier today,
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and Thomas Conger just mentioned in the chat that mr beast is buying
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it i literally saw a video of mr beast famous youtuber
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mr beast on his plane going i'm
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on my way to make an offer i can't say what it is but wish me luck type of thing
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and i was like that's a great social media clip huh that is you know at the
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end of the day it's 200 billion dollars value and there's only a few people
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that could do that trump has friends that are that person but you know what
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is the problem china doesn't want it to be sold.
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ByteDance doesn't want to sell their, their, their business. So.
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I think I really expect a ban in 90 days. I don't know that it's going to survive past that.
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But I also have faith in the shenanigans of the American government,
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and they'll figure out a new lie to tell us that'll keep it going.
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I was listening to a podcast with Gary V, and he mentioned something, which is Vine.
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Were you ever on Vine, Doug? I wasn't making videos back then.
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You know, I watch my kids play on it, but I was kind of late to TikTok even.
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So Vine, for those who might not know, was the first short form video platform
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where it was six second videos.
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And that's it. You can only make six second videos.
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And that is where most of the famous YouTubers and social media stars you see today started.
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David Dobrik started there. josh peck started there
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logan paul started there like the list
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goes on they all started there and
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then one day they said oh in 24 hours
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vine is going to be deleted and what
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happened was everyone like freaked out i think
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because they weren't paying the people
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that were the social media stars that were on that platform vine didn't
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want to pay them so they were like well we're going to make videos elsewhere they weren't
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making money now because there weren't viral videos being made on
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there anyway they went and people jumped
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to places like youtube and instagram and stuff this is before tiktok and but
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the thing is when elon bought twitter he also then it also meant that he bought
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vine so vine didn't like it's still an entity and it's still a machine that
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exists but it's turned off.
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It's part of the Twitter empire, the x.com family.
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Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah. So Gary was saying, what if...
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Elon waits till tiktok is gone and then all of a sudden decides to push the
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green light and launch vine again wow how about no and i don't want to get too
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political ever in my life but after elon musk's shenanigans today how about
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we don't do anything that supports his products well.
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I can we can we roll it back for just a second because
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what i'm what i'm trying to understand is now admittedly i don't i
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don't tinker with this stuff a lot and in fact i i'm gonna very
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openly say that like my knowledge of this whole social media
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game is very poor i mean i don't even manage my own
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socials i got somebody does it for me very well and the
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first thing i want to sort of establish in this chat if i may is what are the
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motivations for getting rid of tiktok is it the fact that it's information going
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to china and there's some sort of spy element let me speak on I am an expert
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on the matter, studied it in depth.
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So when Trump tried to shut it down years ago, they said that it's the security that's the problem.
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So TikTok said, how can we appease you?
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And America said, how's the American data on American soil owned by an American company?
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So now in Texas, under the Oracle brand, which is an American company,
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all of the American data is there. So they accommodated them in that respect.
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Okay. big, but yes, it is a considerable threat to have all of this information
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of Americans available to the Chinese government F they so choose to get it.
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There's been zero proof.
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They've done so generally in this company, in this country, we give the burden
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of proof, you know, to the accuser, not the innocent and that they were going
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to penalize the company.
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Maybe they would be found guilty of something. They haven't been right.
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So there's issues in that respect.
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So just to reiterate we're talking about tick tock a
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platform in which people mime songs
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poorly and shake their hold on no
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we're talking about a platform where i get important news
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we're talking about a platform where i connect with like-minded individuals
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and reach reach tens of thousands of interested fans on an hourly basis i get
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recipes on there i watch my wrestling stories yeah sometimes I'll put a dancing
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girl in my face and I'll swipe by it. But there's everything on TikTok.
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It's all there. It's a wonderful platform. I have a sneaking suspicion that
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some of the media that comes on there, the government doesn't like the Americans to receive.
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Some news that they would prefer filtered through the major media conglomerates.
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There's only five big ones in this country. We get drip thread.
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Here's some news. TikTok gives it all to the country. Yeah.
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So that's the other thing. That's the other thing that Doug's saying
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is that America well apparently America feels
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like they can't control the content that
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is flowed to the Americans on that channel I'll
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explain it briefly I was telling my wife for example if
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a train goes off the tracks in Mississippi and the chemicals
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land in the lake and pollute the lake maybe the major media can contain that
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story and then there won't be lawsuits against the corporations and so on they
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can keep making their products but this kind of news gets out everyone knows
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about it and And this is just a small example of perhaps,
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you know, the kind of media that, you know.
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The at least corporations which really control this country,
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they pay the congressman to do what they want.
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And this is why I don't talk politics too much. Passionate about it.
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Well, good. I just want to establish that as a base, man, because like I wasn't
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sure if it like so it's a it's national security in a sense.
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It's not really sort of information to be leaked in the Chinese against us per se.
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But it is just information that can be shared freely, which to my knowledge,
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other people slander Elon a lot. He is for free speech. He is like, do what you want to say.
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That's a freedom that everyone should be afforded. But by shutting it down,
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are we saying that Trump, and is it Trump's administration,
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just to keep it broadly, like is all about controlling information in that sense?
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I would think his hope, he's publicly stated his intent. If you listen to Donald
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Trump quote that his intent is for America to buy 50% of TikTok and control it that way.
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Right. Because that's going to stop the Chinese from getting that information
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that threatens the country.
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It's ludicrous that he makes statements. America is going to buy TikTok.
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Yeah. So you're saying that like, that's what he's proclaiming.
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But really the underlying notion is that he can control everything being shared to Americans.
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If you're the company that controls like the algorithm and
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maybe yeah theoretically you could you know
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censor some of the media that comes through there
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well let's not talk
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about theories because there's great facts we can talk about you know
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oh well you know so look if it gets banned again
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or whatever's happening i guess people already don't
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trust it now so they're probably not going to invest their time in it where's
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the next eyeballs going do you think doug like do
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you think everyone's going to move to youtube reels instagram reels
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from my point of view the best alternative currently is youtube
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shorts but honestly i think the best move and
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one that will probably grow the most is blue sky once
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they need to integrate some video features to kind of let this
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happen but they provide a platform that lets the
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content creator own own their content and also the technology that interacts
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with the blue sky platform is much more open source and flexible than anything
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that's come before it what is the elevator pitch of blue sky this is the first
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time it's twitter it's twitter but not controlled by you know.
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Okay you know.
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It's it's it blue sky was developed by
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the former owners of twitter and they're just doing it you know
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it seems to me the right way so it's is it text-based
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currently text photos i think small videos
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maybe it's limited to a minute so it doesn't offer all
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of the flexibility of tick tock and and youtube
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and ultimately the tick tock conundrum is that
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this algorithm they developed really works so well to
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provide the viewer with what they are seeking like i
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said before i watch my wrestling stories there i get gaming content
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and and what my wife watches is 100
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different i'll look over there and it's puppy dogs and kittens and
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babies you know she sees something completely different than me and
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this is the challenge to replicate that really
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can't be done so you say is there an alternative not
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one that i see but maybe it's from
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the ashes the interest-based algorithm has been
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so freaking world-changing isn't it
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that any video can go viral because it's just if
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that individual video is good not the creator
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i've noticed but i mean i have noticed the
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same thing with even instagram reels are doing it now
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like in the well they copy tiktok they
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would you know if you look at the recent update it very much
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is tiktoky yeah and days ago they're.
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Like we're tiktok now yeah exactly what you
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just described with your wife i'm the same like i look at sandy like my feed
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is a lot of uh podcast clips and like motivational clips occasionally magic
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hers is like people farting in public like dogs being cute and she's like Like
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she can't get enough of it. Like cringe comedy.
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I'm like, what planet are our phones on? Like, it's so smart.
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So smart. Go on Facebook Reels and see what you get.
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What I'm curious about, gentlemen, is that there is a very vast amount of people
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on TikTok who rely on this for their income. I mean, that's their main source of income.
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What's going to happen in that regards?
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Like, what does it mean is what I'm asking? Imagine being one of the 7 million small businesses.
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There's a few people. You know, I think the number is 300,000 earn their living.
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And then there's 7 million small businesses like me that count on maybe the
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TikTok income to pay their internet bill or whatever, you know,
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I'm making a big difference in my life, but I don't have that money every month.
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It does make a little difference the other way, which no one can afford these days.
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And then all of a sudden you wake up and maybe your business is big.
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You know, what if you're doing hundreds of thousands of dollars on the TikTok
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shop and they rip it all the way because of fear and, you know, no facts. Yeah.
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Or response. Let me state one more thing for anyone that's listening.
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The way this bill was passed, it was part of a larger bill that was sending
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foreign aid money to Ukraine.
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This bill was destined to pass. There's no way it wouldn't.
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So if you were going to vote for the foreign aid bill, you had to vote for the TikTok bill.
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They'll tell you it's a bipartisan bill that passed through for flying colors.
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Of course it is because everyone was going to vote for this other thing.
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It's an underhanded, underhanded American past laws.
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They want to push through. And that's how this happened.
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We didn't get a voice as the freedom, the land of the free American people never voted for this.
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And I don't think it was ever made clear that your representative might be voting
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that way for this topic. So you.
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Yeah no one got to say they just slipped
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it in amongst this other stuff that was being voted imagine
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that happening and your big business goes away
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because of that well just circle back to that question of like my business my
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income there's there's individuals who have sponsorships through products or
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whatever else and like mention my product and we'll give you x amount of dollars
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a month for example those guys are effectively now having their entire incomes
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cut yeah dead in the water,
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like go work a fast food.
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Well, that's, let's go into magic a little bit here. And then we can segue in
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a little bit. One of my dreams and hopes for the last year was to open a TikTok shop.
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I've done some affiliate things. I've looked at some options.
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I've talked to some people and that dream was ripped away, you know, last week.
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And now I have another potential dream.
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My future employer left me a message today that we're going to open a TikTok shop,
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and we'll talk about maybe where I'm going next but
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I have the ability to open this stream and gosh darn
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it you know what I have to do now is do this for 90
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days to see if they're going to let me keep it or not when you
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know I have no choice in the matter and it's all based on fear it's sad it is
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sad and it's the best place to be able to like just magic wise like to be able
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to go live for a long period of time connect with live viewers and have your
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product linked on the live by now, you know?
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Yeah. There's nothing like that happening.
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Amazon has some options, but that's not what I'm talking about.
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You know, there's a lot of folks in the chat who are saying that,
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like, it's not going anywhere. They're pretty, you know, TikTok.
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Now, dude, do you think this could just possibly be a kind of strong...
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Bluff strategy, if you will, to which, all right, look, we'll,
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we'll bend, we'll bend the knee and we'll give you your own servers.
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You can have your own Tik TOK and the rest of the planet can have this.
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So it was signed into law. The president signed it. It was appealed.
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It went to the Supreme court.
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The Supreme court said there is reason to have concerns for security risk.
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And this law is valid these same supreme
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court members i'm sure are close friends with you know
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i'm going to start
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talking about the people that contribute to mark zuckerberg and
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his lobbyists in congress that pay them to vote the way
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that they want so that the meta products get the
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views instead of when tick tock goes away and their
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stock goes up more you know it's
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all about the money it's all about the money
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it's made of wins if tiktok goes away zuckerberg just gets
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richer and we all have to watch reels you know
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if you don't know how to find schwartz does he
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even does money even even a thing
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to him anymore i think you know once you get that rich money's like
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no it's all about control and having power same thing though right right
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right i wouldn't mind a bit of
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money and power just give me a little bit no i
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just want to pay my bills that's all that's exactly right that's
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right we just want to be able to live you know it's the type of thing where i mean
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if we can just talk about the state of
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things in australia you know we say things to the effect of well unemployment's up
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to four percent now right and people are complaining it they have the audacity
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to say like oh but we're generating all these jobs and it's like yes you are
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generating all these jobs but there is a vast majority of our population who
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have to work three of them just to make ends meet nine to five is not a thing
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anymore you need to have multiple streams of income,
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if you are going to have anything or build any sort of future that you can actually
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take a step back and go, you know what.
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I think I might be able to live off my superannuation or my 401k in your sense.
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So the world is a state. Yeah, I had a relative comment about how great things
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are in America, like all of our stock prices are and everyone's making money.
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But you know what? There's still 40 million Americans living below the poverty
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line. I think there's a lot of wealthy people and a lot of them are winning right now.
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And they're having a little bit of a, you know, if you're wealthy,
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it's easy to smell the roses, right?
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But if you're struggling, you know, if you're, it's just, you know,
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there's 40 million Americans that can't afford to pay their bills.
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Well, you know, there's something that was said to, I saw it in a video and
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it's really hit me because I'm guilty of this.
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And what it said was that like, there's a lot of bad things that are happening effectively.
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And we're not doing anything to stop it or to change it. All we're trying to
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do is become wealthy enough that it doesn't affect us.
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And that was exactly what i was doing and i
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went who am i i'm one guy and you
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just realize that you're sort of beat by the system and it's
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so much bigger than all of us i i don't i'm hoping
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one of the one of the fat cats get smart and start
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sharing the wealth like all right 400 billion's enough
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i can spread around 100 billion of it to the
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people give everyone
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a little bit man how many billions you
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need 500 billion a trillion i have
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a trillion just lower the lower the cost of gas for
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god's sakes we gotta buy eggs right now they're ten dollars a dozen in the grocery
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store granted there's something going on with eggs but even when they're on
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sale at normal price it's five bucks for a dozen eggs used to be a dollar i
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don't even why is that happening doug why is that like what's happening that
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well i think there's a bird flu thing right now limiting eggs but what about five X.
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And what happened is after the pandemic, inflation raised all the prices and
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the corporations never lowered the prices.
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So our minimum wage is still $7 an hour, but everything costs $25 an hour to live.
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So speaking of pricing and stuff and costs of living in certain areas,
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and then the LA fires happening,
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Doug, that's sort of helped you have a awakening moment, right that sort of
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leads us into this fun discussion looking about las vegas i i am.
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Of the universe affected this decision it's
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mainly the result of me butting my head against the wall for you
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know several months and watching my wife work
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really hard and have to pay more than her share of the bills
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these days and i've had a i've had a dream really
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since i came to new orleans about 35 years ago
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i was going to the west coast i came here for the winter and i
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was just going to keep going west and stop by las vegas and then go to california
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and so on so i've been speaking with this gentleman who has a store in las vegas
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tricksupply.com this man is wolfgang
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wallet what a jimmy is i've enjoyed every time i've spent with him.
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If you've been in America, you've seen his booth at all the major magic conventions,
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Wolfgang's always displaying, if you're going to MagiFest, he'll be there.
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Stop by at MagiFest, tell him Doug said to say hi and buy something.
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He tried to talk me into working for him a few years ago, but because I had
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my own retail situation, it was a conflict.
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And as I've winded down my retail endeavors, I'm able to have this conversation
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with someone that might be able to use my skills.
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So I'm moving to Vegas. oh sunday
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temporary airbnb for
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a month we'll be easing into this store and opening the brick and mortar and
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blowing up the socials that's what i'm doing that is insane moving a magician
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moving to vegas is like every bloody kid's dream yeah hell so here's the here's
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the beauty of this store.
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Wolfgang has been in business for over 20 years and he accumulates magic a number
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of ways. One of them is buying estates.
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So he's got a large inventory of everything.
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And my requirement will not be to be to sell the latest, greatest thing that
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everyone thinks they need.
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But when someone genuinely, genuinely wants to improve their magic,
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I'll be able to help them.
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You know, what do you do? And I won't have to say, oh, I have,
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I'll be able to say, yes, I know what you need.
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I can help you and so looking forward to having a new point of view for my social
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media audience, my YouTube viewers, my shorts viewers.
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I've got so many interesting plans to educate you as I get educated with all
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this magic that I'm not familiar with, right?
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I don't know how the, all the Macamay wood stuff and the parlor magic.
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So I'm going to get an education and share all that as well.
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It's just, I couldn't be more excited.
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Plus I'm in Vegas with the best magic in the world.
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Excuse me hey man you're gonna fit
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right in if that's the case right i'm three hours from the magic castle
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now how about that much more attainable to go
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do that gig that's insane
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now am i lagging by the way just quick check
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because you guys were lagging but you were both no i haven't
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shut up for 10 minutes no we're good okay sweet
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sweet i think it was the amount i think it was it was
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probably actually elon trying to tune in and and stuff up
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our stream for a second but yes we're
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on the radar now we will prevail how amazing
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and now that's gonna you know people will have
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another reason to go to vegas magicians will maybe
24:39
go to magic live the shop is near the airport so when
24:42
you get off the plane you or when you're going home stop by trick supply
24:45
and come say hi to me you know oh he's gonna be appointment only during
24:48
february this will give me a chance to learn the inventory learn
24:51
all the stuff and i also gotta move so once i get
24:54
uh i'm there temp for a month and then the wife's coming out in
24:57
march so that'll happen in march and then we'll have the doors open rig
25:00
wow it's all happening real quick yeah well that's incredible what are you going
25:07
to miss about new orleans you know i've been here so long it won't be much it'll
25:11
be my my girls that's about it right now i have some very close friends here that i'll miss a couple.
25:18
Food the freedom this there's no freer
25:22
city in this country than new orleans if you want
25:25
to come enjoy your life however you'd like this is the place
25:28
to do it but man it's hot man it's stupid it's been getting stupider and there's
25:33
hurricanes and i've done everything there is for me to do here i really am not
25:38
interested in street performing anymore and been medically advised not to be
25:42
in the sun so it's like that shouldn't be a primary focus of my life.
25:46
And yeah, I think I've found my current calling and I'm going to follow it.
25:52
He called a few years ago. I should have just gone when he called the first time.
25:56
Yeah. I think Vegas is going to be pretty excited to have you, man.
25:59
I think that once you, I just imagine you, for whatever reason,
26:02
you're just going to connect immediately with Bizarro and it's going to be like,
26:04
Hey, I messaged him yesterday.
26:06
I said, Biz, I'm coming to town. I knew it. Yeah.
26:10
It's going to be like, great. We go back a ways, you know,
26:14
like he was staying at my house in New Orleans 20 years ago so yeah
26:17
you know we're uh we're bros yeah yeah
26:20
and and that's awesome and that guy's down with everything
26:23
like he's got you know the the whole business with um
26:26
escape rooms and so forth that he does and well he's
26:29
a message to him like one of the first yeah yeah i'll be in apparently i'll
26:35
be in jeff mcbride's neighborhood as well paradise valley where the rbnb is
26:39
and i've been eyeballing the townhouse apartment right across from the shop
26:43
so maybe i'm walking to work even and near Jeff McBride.
26:47
So maybe I'm mystery schooling sometime. So great.
26:51
You've got to do that. So many things, man. All the shows. Go to the West Coast.
26:56
Watch Frank DeVille work Santa Monica Pier.
26:59
Get in line there and tell them.
27:03
That's crazy. West Coast Lecture Corps. Been on my list for years.
27:07
For us listening, this geography isn't amazing of the States.
27:12
I know where Vegas is. It's kind of on the West Coast, right?
27:17
Where's New Orleans? It's a two-day drive. If I drive it straight, it's 29 hours nonstop.
27:23
So to drive it, it's going to take two days. Is it in the middle? Where is it?
27:28
New Orleans is southeast compared.
27:32
It's like near Florida Panhandle. If you were to look at the Gulf of Mexico,
27:36
we're curving into that.
27:38
The mississippi river dumps into the gulf of mexico right as we hit kind of
27:42
mississippi florida there okay like what is it like the ball sack of peen of
27:47
the the florida penile extension.
27:51
So just for a bit sorry how far is you from texas in badges yeah i'm in houston
27:58
in three or four hours i think that's okay yeah now now i can sort of gauge
28:02
what that is but yeah you haul all the way there and i think we're gonna pot
28:07
it get a box here put everything in a box and they,
28:11
it's like a big shipping box oh yeah nice will yeah will you guys have a presence
28:17
at magic live out of curiosity ask me later probably i would i would assume
28:22
he does but maybe having that storefront in town means he doesn't so and i don't
28:27
know okay it's like this every time i've
28:29
onto a convention at the sam i saw wolfgang at the taom i saw wolfgang he's
28:35
them he's setting up at the magi fest you know he gets around so i'm assuming
28:40
he does the magic live but i'm not 100.
28:42
Yeah nice well you would have
28:45
seen him last year nick if if that was the case yeah but
28:48
i was booth and 100 other dealers so exactly yeah
28:52
i'm certain i actually just googled the website us were
28:55
chatting real quick and i'm like i guaranteed i i was i was
28:59
there and i'm pretty sure i bought stuff as well so wolfgang's
29:02
wolfgang's one of the the booze where he's not maybe demoing a specific product
29:07
or the latest greatest thing but he has a plethora of amazing items you know
29:12
picked up maybe one ofs and books the the bins of lecture notes you might go through,
29:19
you know maybe a bargain bin of tenue stuff and then some higher class items
29:24
you know shining in the back got everything so i'm great yeah i'm trying to
29:32
slide of hand.org we're gonna have a new sponsor whether you like it or not.
29:38
Bring it yeah because i've i've been trying to track down a david p abbott book
29:43
that was released about eight nine years ago it's like the final workings of
29:46
that i'm and i was just perusing the website once that was happening.
29:49
There was only an X amount of them made, I think 400 copies made.
29:53
So yeah, I've been very curious about that book. So...
29:57
Doug, when you move to Vegas, is LearnSlideOfHand.org still operating?
30:01
100% keeping all of that ship rolling. You know, I'm leaning towards a different
30:06
model of distributing this information, even considering making most of it free
30:12
just so people have access to it.
30:14
Absolutely part of my business model. I'll be able to introduce people to my
30:18
products at the store, and that will be valuable to me, you know, in that respect.
30:23
Oh, you like Slide of Hand? You might like this. Take my card, check me out.
30:26
Things like that. oh that's beautiful like yeah but
30:29
you might yeah great buy these props and whatever but if
30:32
you're really getting serious boom yeah and then
30:35
today i was thinking like maybe an episode is you know maybe one of my learning
30:39
sessions is all the you know the accessories that a sleight of hand performer
30:44
might need and now because i'm in this space i have all of them so i can literally
30:48
show students everything they would need where now i'm limited to what's in
30:52
this room and if i I want to order it and spend money.
30:55
So, yeah, I feel the library, all the books, you know, so now when I'm referencing
31:00
a book, maybe I don't have, I can pull it off the shelf, show it to the people,
31:04
and then maybe they buy that book. So everyone wins. You learn.
31:08
I learn. Wolfgang sells stuff, which allows us to learn.
31:12
I really feel it's a good mix.
31:15
I totally agree with you, man. I mean, it's, you know, I say this with all respect,
31:21
how you are the senior statesman of our podcast here, but it's just like you
31:25
never want to stop learning.
31:27
You just don't. Not when it comes to magic.
31:29
Consuming magic is one of the greatest things, and I've just been ripping books
31:33
off the shelf this week as well as we did our New Year's resolution last week.
31:36
I'm sort of learning a new trick every week.
31:38
Maybe not performing it, but just reading it, studying it, and I'm enjoying
31:42
a lot of theory right now.
31:43
I'm revisiting Darwin Ortiz's Strong Magic because I just felt like I didn't
31:48
absorb it well enough before reading Designing Miracles, so I'm reading that,
31:51
yeah you've you've got it you've got to absorb that a lot you gotta
31:54
yeah you gotta soak it in yeah but
31:57
i just i just cracked open oh it's right here actually so
32:01
that's that but i was reading dark uh
32:04
the dark corners by ben hart with the really
32:07
crazy idea with the matchbox and
32:10
performing a trick in the dark who thinks
32:14
of that it's the first trick in the book and it's very simple it's like you
32:19
have it's pitch black you give someone a box they shake it they identify it's
32:23
a box of matches ask them to reach in take a match out and light it once it's
32:28
lit you can then turn the lights on blow out the match and away you go.
32:32
Not an amazing feat of magic in itself but where the magic
32:34
is is when you open the box and tip out its contents they lit
32:37
the only matchstick that wasn't already
32:41
burnt yes and all the other ones are and it's like that's great and and and
32:49
and like i've never thought to myself like if i have to do a trick in the in
32:52
pitch blackness and make it magical you know what i mean like that's the Who thinks of that?
32:58
Who thinks of, oh, what effect should I do with all the lines? It's crazy. Yeah.
33:03
Yeah. And it's just, it's so fun to have that knowledge and stuff.
33:05
And I think that'd be great.
33:06
And I think it would be a great value add to the listeners here as well,
33:10
you know, and it's great that we can direct them to the shop.
33:13
Yeah. I also like his, um, I like his plot on Russian roulette where there's five envelopes,
33:21
but instead of there being like a spike for
33:23
the magician or just like one of them has money or whatever it's
33:26
like one of these envelopes is loaded with
33:29
confetti like minute miniature little glitter
33:33
it's like a glitter bomb like a glitter bomb and we're
33:36
gonna each one you choose we're gonna cut open above your bag
33:39
like the lady's bag that's come on stage so the goal is to not pick a glitter
33:44
bomb that you're never going to get out of your bag ever again so they're actually
33:48
like invested in the trick it's you know just a fun different plot whimsical
33:52
plot and he has a great way of thinking. Yeah.
33:57
Absolutely. And yeah, so that, and the beauty of having things from the estate,
34:03
is it's not always about the latest and greatest. And a lot of people seek that.
34:07
And just while we've stepped away from a TikTok idea,
34:11
i penn and teller are in town we had a
34:13
great conversation yesterday we did a
34:16
performance at the laneway theater which is tim ellis's theater who's been on
34:19
the podcast prior and they both came and we put on a show of like 13 magicians
34:24
doing five minute sets and it was awesome but we're having lots of conversations
34:28
about new was this just but you gotta slow down a little bit you just start
34:32
dropping penn and teller in the convo here so penn and teller in.
34:36
Australia turing and yep came
34:40
to tim ellis's theater just to see you guys
34:43
was it a show going on anyway yes no just to
34:45
hang out so we're gonna we're gonna put in a show anyway and we extended the
34:48
hand of friendship to tell her and said we're doing a thing do you want to come
34:51
and hang out with all our magician friends and he was like absolutely you
34:54
guys are like my most wonderful friends he considers us friends
34:57
as you said in the car ride so i picked them up
35:00
from his hotel we went there we had a wonderful feed
35:03
of beautiful italian cuisine had an absolute laugh
35:06
pen arrived a little bit later they watched the entire show
35:09
had a lot of skips the magic he's like i'll be there after the
35:12
magic's over yeah i
35:15
had a laugh and a half and away we went but he was saying that like a
35:18
lot of the ideas and thoughts that he sort of pulled together he pulled from
35:21
old school burglas books and it's like
35:24
that's where the treasures are man and i
35:27
think it's um well there you go yeah there's a photograph for
35:30
those that watching on youtube right now of all the guys that were involved um
35:33
yeah and we had a wonderful time so
35:36
you see coronel there dom chambers was there chian io is another amazing card
35:41
magician from there anthony demazi lawrence lung a good friend teller's in the
35:45
shorts he's like i'm just gonna wear the shorts to this yeah he actually messaged
35:49
he was like it was like given the weather is it is acceptable to wear t-shirt
35:53
and shorts and And I said, yeah, and if you really want to fit in, wear thongs.
35:56
Sorry, I said flip-flops.
36:00
That's funny. Yeah. Yeah.
36:03
Yeah, so they start performing as of today. So it was basically their only day
36:06
off, and they came to hang out with us. So we're deeply grateful for their time.
36:10
That's so cool. Come on. Super lovely.
36:11
All the cool stuff they find, like the Wacka Teller routine and so forth,
36:15
it's in these old school books.
36:16
And I think it's so important that if you have an opportunity,
36:19
Doug, to find those ideas and bring them to light.
36:21
Even if you just go, I'm going to crack open one book, find one cool idea,
36:25
and talk about it. And go, if you like it, it's in here.
36:28
Boom. I would watch the crap out of that if you did that. You know,
36:34
one of the things that breaks my heart in my current situation is I don't possess
36:38
the library that I have owned in my life.
36:41
I've managed to lose a couple of considerable large libraries.
36:47
Katrina took a big chunk. And when I was young, I lost one when I moved from
36:51
my house. Now all the books will be there.
36:54
So I'll have my own library to say, here's what you need to know.
36:58
And yes, I'd love to do Doug's book reports and so on.
37:02
There's so many so many possibilities now yeah yeah well okay so what let's
37:08
talk about that let's talk about like what are we to expect in the months to
37:12
come once you've established yourself in in vegas and you're now working with
37:16
trick supply what are we to expect you.
37:20
Wow. So first and foremost, for me, it's got to be to understand the business,
37:25
right? The lay of the land.
37:26
He's got hundreds of thousands of dollars of inventory. I can't imagine what
37:29
that warehouse looks like.
37:30
So February, we'll be learning, you know, that in Las Vegas for me.
37:35
And then moving forward, like I said, I got the message today.
37:38
He wants to do a TikTok shop and I wanted to do a TikTok shop forever.
37:42
That will take considerable effort and learning what's appropriate for that medium.
37:47
We'll figure that out. and then also developing the brick and mortar which you know is going to be.
37:54
You know figuring out what days to open probably friday
37:57
saturday maybe thursday friday saturday hopefully all the days it'd
38:00
be great if we could do that setting up a new studio and getting a new point
38:05
of view really for everything that i'm doing and i was looking to change everything
38:08
anyway as far as the you know my current production we've all seen this for
38:14
enough years let's let's look at it from a new way. I'll give you one brief example today.
38:19
Like when I think about how am I going to demonstrate tricks from a trick supply,
38:24
you know what I want to do?
38:25
I want to film the magicians that come in the store and have them share their
38:29
favorite piece of magic that maybe we offer.
38:32
So now you're not looking at me doing it. I'm giving other guys,
38:34
you know, a spotlight if they want it.
38:36
And I think that's an example of how I might be able to
38:39
share magic in a
38:42
different way and benefits people well to
38:45
think about how great that would be because i mean so many people release things
38:49
at magic live long before they ever ever hit
38:51
you know the the airway so to speak you
38:55
know morton christensen's jumbo card was a perfect example of
38:58
that and how cool would it be if like magic lives
39:01
in town hey man this is our platform why
39:04
didn't you come by it's only a stone throw from the airport you're
39:07
in town anyway yeah come and do a little thing on
39:10
the camera we can share it to everyone and give an opportunity you know
39:14
and this should be something that creators find desirable because i'm pretty
39:18
good at social media i'll make you look good and you know now more than ever
39:22
am i you know because it's not just for me now it's for another business that's
39:26
entrusting me with their products so i'm going to dial it up even more and be you know as best.
39:32
Will the studio be set up in the shop or will you still be operating so i very
39:36
much intend to do everything I'm doing currently, and I'll be doing shorts for myself.
39:40
I'll be doing a weekly live for my own channel, YouTube, Doug con,
39:45
and I hope to do some educational content, continuing to teach,
39:48
you know, the noobs on YouTube, how to do it. Right.
39:51
So yeah, I hope to find time to do all of that. And some of that will be from
39:54
the shop, but I do intend to build a studio out in Las Vegas and,
39:59
and yeah, just continue to offer what I've been offering.
40:03
I like it. We got a good, I made so many friends now, you know?
40:06
It's like, I can't stop now.
40:10
I got bros. Yeah. Maybe we could pop in when Magic Live comes around and we
40:17
can actually do a vlog, Josh, so we can sort of show.
40:20
We're getting enough space to host guests, for sure. That's one of the reasons
40:23
I want this townhouse. It's three bedrooms. Three bedrooms, three baths.
40:28
Yeah, nice. Three baths. That should be enough for Nick.
40:32
God will never wash my head in the same water. My balls are pissed.
40:36
Morning, afternoon, night.
40:39
Yeah, yeah. yeah you know what else
40:41
i could see happening doug is if you build a studio for
40:45
shooting content i don't see why
40:48
the other vegas magicians that have shows and stuff wouldn't come
40:51
to your house that's the other thing like i got
40:54
some cool guys here in new orleans that'll come say hi you know steve reynolds
40:57
comes over jimmy talks a lot sometimes guys come through
40:59
in town but guess what in vegas they're all there yeah hey
41:03
what are you doing right let's go say hi probably not
41:06
to shin them but maybe someone else yeah
41:10
for sure the tutorials filming tutorials in your in
41:14
your studio would be amazing but what i'm what what
41:16
i also mean is if you know because the thing is i've
41:19
seen a lot of the the vegas guys putting up
41:22
their own content and it's all not shot well like it's all
41:25
just literally off a phone or whatever like matt franco
41:28
makes a lot of videos just off his phone it looks
41:31
like from his phone you know and so if they know they can just roll up
41:34
to doug's studio you know hire that setup can
41:38
i just say to that to to your point
41:41
exactly that i i've been exploring the open prediction plot for
41:44
a while and peter turner and pick cake released a thing recently so i purchased
41:50
it just to further my knowledge and the way that was filmed was the most generic
41:57
two camera at his place in the uk where it's cold it was just so.
42:03
You know what i mean and for the 40 aussie
42:06
dollars it cost to purchase it it was like okay like this
42:09
could have been done better for sure it's good enough you know
42:12
it's fine but like to your
42:15
point exactly that sometimes people will be doing two doors and go sorry my
42:20
phone just died so i have to be quick you know like your phone you're filming
42:24
a tutorial on your phone okay like yeah i think a lot of maybe magic consumers
42:28
don't realize how how involved a good production is like it's not easy to get
42:33
something good on video,
42:34
especially if you're doing it like an in-depth tutorial.
42:37
I think we approach suppliers and say, we have this infrastructure and you should
42:42
be coming to us to do your video work for you. That's what I think.
42:46
Or the other thing is, you know, as an added value point is,
42:52
when you buy this new hot trick from Trick Supply, you get the tutorial,
42:57
but you also get the Doug Conn tutorial. Right.
42:59
You know on the list.
43:06
We'll see yeah yeah but like
43:09
exciting stuff bloody exciting and nick
43:12
just had yeah hung out with penn and teller we've got
43:15
penn and teller coming to brisbane next week i
43:18
think or the week after something like that sandy bought
43:21
my ticket they've already they'd already like almost sold out
43:24
so sandy bought me for christmas like a single ticket
43:27
because there weren't any sessions left where
43:30
there were two seats next to each other sandy likes
43:33
magic as much as pen does she's like i'll see you after the
43:36
magic show yeah she's totally
43:39
fine i can tell how much she supports magic
43:42
but doesn't attend it in that we've you know
43:45
i've been performing at the theater magic for 15 months now and
43:48
she's come zero times to watch sounds like
43:52
our ladies would get along marvelously i think
43:56
so yes yes but okay
43:59
look doug has his year carved out
44:02
and i can see the enthusiasm like he's pumped i am pumped come on yeah yeah
44:08
so what's what about nick what's nick pumped up for this year what's what's
44:12
happening my vacation that's what i'm pumped about yes yes Yes, I've done,
44:19
I am a workaholic by nature. I get that, but I haven't, I've traveled.
44:23
Yes, I've traveled, but it's all been magic orientated. It's always been either
44:27
to perform or for a convention.
44:29
And I've done nothing of leisure in a long time.
44:32
And I, after an incident at a gig, I think, I don't know if I mentioned it,
44:37
but like, I never told the story where like a guy died at my gig.
44:41
A guy died at my gig. Yeah. Oh no, a long time ago. But the notion still sticks.
44:46
So the venue that this thing happened in, we're like, there's a psychiatrist. We need you to go see.
44:53
It's just part of our duty of care, blah, blah, blah.
44:55
And when you're suing us with post-traumatic, whatever else,
44:58
please go chat to our person just to make sure that you're okay with the guy
45:01
dying in the parking lot after you were working for us.
45:05
And I was like, no problem. So I had a chat with them. And I sat with this psychiatrist.
45:09
We had a lovely, lovely chat. She was like, you are so solid.
45:11
You're a super solid guy.
45:13
This doesn't affect you. I can tell you put it together. you're this and that
45:16
there's only one thing i have to say about you and it's that downtime.
45:22
You treat it as a luxury and you need to treat it
45:25
as a necessity and it's okay to stop it's okay to relax and not work so much
45:30
like that's that's the only thing i can say about you and anyone who knows me
45:34
and knows my work ethic knows yes i'm flat out i get it right and i prioritize
45:39
i do my notion is i do too many things so i'm never doing nothing,
45:44
And I have too many people to take care of. So I'm never taking care of like,
45:47
I'm seldom ever taking care of myself.
45:50
So yeah. So the vacation is something I'm looking forward to where I'm just
45:53
going to be on a mountain in the snow with probably poor reception.
45:58
And I'm just, that's going to be me, man. That's going to be me.
46:01
Just three weeks of two weeks in Canada, one week in Japan, and then I'll be
46:04
home. It is just, yeah. Yeah.
46:08
Yeah. Yeah. So I'm going to be gone. Good and proper, but I intend on bringing
46:13
my mic with me. And if there's an opportunity that we're having a snow in day
46:16
that I'll, I think that it falls around 4 PM.
46:19
I think if I'm in Vancouver, so might be able to pop on and hang with you guys during that time.
46:24
So I will be prepared, but that's what I'm looking forward to right now.
46:28
And yeah, a long, long flights and books. I'm looking forward to that.
46:33
Yeah. Yeah. That was kind of me by necessity the last few weeks. Now you haven't seen me.
46:38
It was like my whole universe said, Doug, you got to not do everything all the time,
46:43
every day all day long worrying about everything magic magic magic magic do
46:46
this do this do this and literally my body brain and universe said pause yeah
46:53
um then look what happened.
46:57
Yeah nick asked an interesting um question our friend drago tear he says my
47:02
wife asked if you guys really want your significant others at your gig to support
47:06
you or do you feel like you would be too nervous to perform because they would
47:11
never let you live it down.
47:15
Yeah, that's what my wife does is make fun of me after my gigs.
47:20
Slash the pass, the top change is sock, your double lift needs work,
47:24
and your cups and balls is weak.
47:26
So the way I see it going down, it's like you flashed your double,
47:29
your palming's bad, you left the socks on the floor, you didn't put them in
47:33
the basket, you left your coffee mug in the back.
47:35
It just turns from being your magic about being personal.
47:40
That's funny. You know, I have no nerves when anyone comes to see me perform.
47:45
Like it doesn't affect the way I perform, but when I do get nervous is when
47:50
I get a phone call while we're driving and like I get an inquiry on the phone
47:55
while we're driving and Sandy's sitting next to me because she is a customer service ninja.
48:01
So me knowing she's listening to me trying to sell this client,
48:06
that's what's nerve wracking because the moment I get off the call,
48:10
I know I'm going to hear something like, Like, oh, you could have given them
48:14
more energy, or you could have been nicer to them at the end,
48:17
or you could have had a bit more chitchat before you got into the actual meat of it.
48:22
I'm like, so that's what's actually nerve wracking for me, that the sales call,
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if she's in the car listening, I can perform all goddamn day.
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But that I'm like, I know she's going to say something about this.
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Truthfully, I've had this experience with Erin. We've been on lecture tours together.
48:37
So she sat and watched the events. And then that's what happens is I get constructive
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criticism, some good feedback post event.
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And genuinely, it's a good thing to have them around.
48:46
I never really, Nick, answering your question, I'm never nervous about having her there.
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It's always a benefit. And, you know, if you get a chance to have your significant
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other around at the show, it's probably a good thing.
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Yeah, they'll see stuff that you don't see, like they'll see how the audience
49:05
is watching you or whatever. Yeah, right.
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Or that was funny. do that again and then also
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if something stupid happens you can commiserate about it after the
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show and as opposed to having to like try to express it to
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someone who wasn't there you know someone that was there you
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can yeah i remember watching a video of
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um vin yang a lot of magicians will know or remember maybe remember encyclopedia
49:27
of magic when he launched that but you know he built up his career to being
49:32
a keynote speaker that caught in australia his fee was ten thousand dollars
49:36
Australian to hire him to give a one hour keynote.
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And at the time he was signed by the biggest speaking agency in Australia called Saxton's.
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So he's doing like half a million dollars in.
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Keynote speaking a year, like gross. And so he's like flying here,
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flying there, giving these talks.
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He gets standing ovations because he's just so good at it.
49:58
Anyway, his wife, pay one, like, you know, she's just, he is her husband to
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her. Like that's just who he is. He's not this.
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So one day he finally gets a keynote in Adelaide where they live.
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And he's like, oh, I'm so excited for you to come and watch me speak.
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And he's just, he's donating his time to speak for
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like a local entrepreneurs group
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or something like that anyway he freaking gives
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it all because he knows his wife's in the audience and then he he's
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filming while they're driving home he's like so pay one
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like were you proud of me like what did you think of my talk and she's just
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like yeah it's very good yeah good job you know but i think you need that you
50:45
can't have like some like your partner can't be fangirling over right your work
50:49
then it's a bit weird you know.
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Here's your reality check you're not all that yeah well
50:57
you know what i'm curious about you know how we say like do we get nervous and
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whatever else like do you guys remember when you
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would perform things and you'd get away with it like you'd
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get away with a watch steal or something like that and you'd feel that adrenaline
51:09
rush of like you did something
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really really wonderful those moments are kind
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of few and far between like now it's just like it's just
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what i do like for someone else experiencing it it's
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like wow but you know when you go for kind
51:23
of those miracle like oh just look at the card you see one and
51:26
then you have somebody point to a deck and then all the and it
51:29
all hits open prediction stuff whatever it is like i kind of feel like those
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moments are now few and far between you know and they're more scary than they're
51:39
more scary than they are exhilarating is what i think yeah you need a vacation
51:45
what is it so you need a vacation,
51:51
should we do a quick gig stories have you been doing any gigs nick i've done
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a lot but i have a gig story that a friend told me yesterday and i'm gonna keep
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their name out of this equation but you guys need to hear this story it's one
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of the most ridiculous things i've ever heard in my life are you ready for this
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let's let's well let let me roll the clip.
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So gig stories a section of the show we like to talk about
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gig stories either from from our personal lives performing or in this instance
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from a friend this particular friend of mine i've known for many many years
52:27
and we've been working alongside each other and supporting each other in the
52:31
magic realm for a very long time this person since then has now evolved into
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somebody who does ships,
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or should I say did ships.
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So
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The cruise director was asking for their blurb, and that person wrote their blurb.
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But this person has quite a sense of humor, quite a sense of humor,
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and wrote the whole blurb.
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And then in the last line, wrote
52:56
something rather inappropriate and wrote just 9-11 was an inside job.
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And the person who read the blurb and went, funny, deleted that line and then published it.
53:11
As time passed they got a new
53:14
director they got a new director
53:17
and they were like oh i need
53:20
your blurb again please that person said not
53:23
a problem they copied it posted it
53:26
still including the 9-11 was an inside job the new director didn't proofread
53:34
it and ended up printing this blurb in over 300 pamphlets that went into every
53:40
room of the cruise ship. Oh, no.
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But it was an inside job.
53:57
So then what happened? You squashed TikTok. Who's at fault here then?
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The director or the magician? well i think there's got to be a shared blame
54:07
the american government.
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Well it's got to be a shared blame you know what i mean like yeah so what they got fired,
54:22
well you know there was a that they had like
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he like this person was like you
54:28
need to go and pull everything back out of these
54:31
rooms and reprint it immediately and and it was just sort
54:34
of like well look at this problem you caused for me if you
54:37
just weren't it weren't a dick and so
54:40
i mean that that could be a good test to
54:43
see how many people are actually reading the pamphlets they
54:46
give you on the ships every day like and i think it
54:48
was that person's sort of motivation it's like i bet you don't even can read
54:53
these i'll just say whatever and then like what's it really gonna do yeah but
54:59
when this person told me that yesterday i was like that is like that's funny
55:03
right and i and i said i need to tell that story i go but i'm not going to mention your name,
55:08
and they were like yep appreciate that so the job to be clear i well yeah you know i i don't know,
55:20
sort of what ramifications came from that or what sort of you know like,
55:24
There's obviously some sort of paper trail of what this person was like working
55:29
with this person and so forth, I imagine.
55:31
But what I'm getting at, I think, ultimately is that, hey, mind your actions
55:37
because they can follow you around.
55:40
I've made mistakes for sure, but I'm also a very private person as far as my personal life for sure.
55:47
But as far as my working mentality, it's like it's entirely professional and
55:51
no squeeze is worth the juice.
55:54
You know what i mean so be easy to work
55:56
with be talented be on time if you're looking for yourself
55:59
there's some wiggle room to get a little weird but yeah
56:02
if you're like hired by another company to represent their brand
56:05
squeaky clean right yeah yeah
56:08
all right well i got a not a not a dicey
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story but just a cool thing that happened for me that magicians might
56:15
appreciate that do stack work so we
56:18
had a lunch on sunday for the
56:21
management of the hotel that the theater of magic runs at so this they the husband
56:27
so the lady that that runs the events at this hotel her husband is like a top
56:32
chef like he's amazing cooking us food there obviously we're magicians so before we leave like.
56:42
It gets brought up in conversation. The lady's like, man, I watch all your Instagrams.
56:45
Like, how do you even know how to just find someone's card in two seconds?
56:50
Like, it's like, they're just saying a card, like the seven of diamonds.
56:52
And then you're able to just like somehow find it in two seconds.
56:55
I'm like, well, it's funny you ask that.
56:57
And I just sit a deck of cards on the table and they're like, no way, no way.
57:01
I'm like, yeah, let's just see. And I like, they see me shuffle the deck, sit the deck down.
57:06
And I'm like, so you want the seven of diamonds or do you want to change it?
57:09
And her husband leans over to her and is like, when magician
57:12
says that you should always change your card i'm like
57:15
do it so she names the three of
57:18
hearts instead okay now for anyone who
57:21
does in the monica knows where the seven of diamonds
57:24
is and where the three of hearts is and i'm like okay
57:26
great so go ahead cut the deck in half like cut
57:29
it like to the middle and she cuts the deck and
57:32
sits it on the table and i know that she
57:35
is two cards away from the three of
57:38
hearts like there's two cards on top of it but there's also
57:41
two cards on top of this first pile to where
57:45
the seven of diamonds is from before i'm like
57:48
this is too perfect so i just look at the guy
57:51
next to her the their daughter's boyfriend
57:54
i'm like name a small number and he goes two
57:57
i'm like i'm like this is inside
58:01
i'm like god damn it why am i not filming this
58:04
i'm like all right take two cards of both
58:07
piles they do that i'm like now you could you at the start you just said seven
58:11
of diamonds then you change your mind to three of hearts let's let's see what
58:15
the cards are that are left on these two piles boom seven of diamonds three
58:20
of hearts i walk out of there like a fucking gangster that's the bomb.
58:26
We signed it you know we're signed for another 10 years.
58:31
That's a close it was it was insane i i
58:34
given i was probably more excited than them because
58:37
i know like i couldn't replicate that but to them
58:40
they probably like he does this all the time which is the the beauty
58:43
of that jazzing did you play it cool or were
58:46
you like a high school girl it worked
58:49
no no i was just like yeah yeah i don't even
58:52
know how i do it which i literally don't know how that all just
58:55
happened but but it was great it
58:58
was great that's that's when you
59:01
have a magic effect where there is even like it
59:04
doesn't literally have to be but there needs to be a perception of maybe it
59:08
was a little bit of luck like the moment that happens their brain like that
59:15
tries to figure things out just goes that's just ridiculous yeah and because
59:19
the notion i let them with, I was like,
59:22
what's really going to annoy you when I leave is what if you had not changed a mind?
59:28
What if you had cut the deck anywhere else? What if you had said any other number
59:32
than two? Like you did all of that. I didn't touch the cards.
59:35
I'll just leave you with that. And, you know, I'll probably still get questions
59:39
about that when I see them this week. Like it's right.
59:43
Leaving things to luck and it working is so untraceable backwards,
59:47
unless they listen to this podcast in which case
59:50
i'm screwed but i'd highly doubt that yeah yeah
59:55
that was fun that was very fun and look
59:58
we're we're rolling we've been made it
1:00:01
to the end of a another fantastic episode you guys
1:00:04
have been great listening to us complaining about social
1:00:08
media platforms that are free for us to post on anyway but
1:00:11
you know i feel like the attention will is just
1:00:14
going to get redirected but hopefully you know it all plays out and youtube shorts
1:00:17
i think that's a good one you still doing lives
1:00:20
there norbita you do vertical lives on short still yeah look given i haven't
1:00:25
done one in a couple of weeks now but my i'm i'm like 200 subscribers away from
1:00:31
hitting 20 000 subscribers on on on youtube which is for me insane oh man way to go.
1:00:40
Over there in a while you that's that's very nice there's quite a tribe starting
1:00:46
to build over there which is, I'm so thankful for.
1:00:48
And like, I'm getting people saying, I'm planning my trip to come and see you
1:00:53
at the theater. I'm like, you got a seat if you make it.
1:00:56
And what a great way to grow organically, right? You're plugging that every
1:00:59
night at the theater. Let's go.
1:01:01
Yeah yeah yeah so it's wild over there i
1:01:04
i love doing lives i just on it just it's so
1:01:06
hard to find like i've just seen them more on the shorts feed like they're
1:01:09
coming up right you know vertical live streaming on youtube
1:01:12
is alive and well and yeah it will have
1:01:15
some of my attention moving forward for sure 100 it's on it's on the it's on
1:01:20
the board maybe it's just i'm live streaming the shop when i'm demoing stuff
1:01:24
maybe it's just on there you know that's a great idea live from two to four
1:01:30
and watch Doug demo stuff like that maybe I don't know,
1:01:34
document don't create right yeah I love it you should do a live tonight if you're
1:01:40
not busy well hey look don't tempt me with a good time I may just do it,
1:01:47
yeah all right ladies and gentlemen look let's leave we're gonna give Nick the
1:01:52
final word today and then we'll see you next week.
1:01:59
So the final word today, friends, is that we know that TikTok may or may not
1:02:03
exist in the times, in the weeks ahead, but erroneous or whatever they are,
1:02:08
it's not an excuse to stop doing your magic.
1:02:10
And we will always find other mediums to do that. We have this podcast,
1:02:14
we have our discords, we have Instagram.
1:02:16
And I think that as far as TikTok affecting the magic community,
1:02:20
we'll find a way to shine through.
1:02:21
So stay positive, test negative, keep doing magic.
1:02:26
Thanks for listening. It's time for us to disappear now.
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But we'll see you again on the next episode of The Magic Guys.