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Blaze Jordan Has ARRIVED! Nolan Gorman Optioned, Bullpen Woes · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory
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  Speaker 1: Jim Hayes with Kyle Gibson and Matt Holliday.
• 0:15
  Speaker 2: Hello, gentlemen.
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  Speaker 1: The Cardinals will open up a three game set quick
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: homestand with the Padres tonight. And they just got off
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  Speaker 1: the road trip three and three, and the offense has
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  Speaker 1: been clicking six point two runs per game since June second.
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  Speaker 1: On this road trip they hit fourteen home runs. They're
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  Speaker 1: suddenly murderers row a team that loves the long ball.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna start with you, Kyle, what are we
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  Speaker 1: seeing from this bunch?
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  Speaker 3: I think we are seeing the bottom of the lineup
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  Speaker 3: have a little bit of an uptick. Church has had
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  Speaker 3: a few good games, obviously, Lars. You know, springbok on
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  Speaker 3: there with a big search for me and has been
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  Speaker 3: hitting them all better. And we got a few of
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  Speaker 3: those guys at the bottom that are really either setting
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  Speaker 3: the table for the top or you know, doing their
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  Speaker 3: own damage. And you know that adds a lot to it.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Burley seems like he's on a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of a little bit of a homer stretch here, and
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna talk about him a little bit. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: I've seen Weatherholt with a few more RBIs and and
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  Speaker 3: the reason your leadoff guy has more RBIs obviously is
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  Speaker 3: that seven eight nine is really doing their job. So
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  Speaker 3: you know that really linkedins the lineup out. We've talked
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  Speaker 3: about it a little bit when Newton was coming back,
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  Speaker 3: when when he was thrown back into the lineup and healthy,
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  Speaker 3: we really thought he was going to add a lot
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  Speaker 3: to making this you know, five six, seven deep and
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  Speaker 3: making it really tough for pictures to navigate. And now
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  Speaker 3: if if guys who are you know in there for
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  Speaker 3: primarily I say primarily defense. You know Churches is a
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  Speaker 3: good hitter. For me, it's a good hitter. But you
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  Speaker 3: know those guys are there for different reasons. But when
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  Speaker 3: those guys really set the table and start commenting to
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  Speaker 3: their own and really put you know, pressure on the
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  Speaker 3: defense and on the starting pitcher, man, you get to
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  Speaker 3: the top of the lineup with one out in the
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  Speaker 3: third or fourth inning at two guys on, that makes
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  Speaker 3: a big difference on the starting pitcher.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about Place Jordan, the guy that the Cardinals
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  Speaker 1: picked up via trade for Madness. Three games under his
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  Speaker 1: belt right big league debut on the road, and he's
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  Speaker 1: already got a homer and a triple under his belt,
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  Speaker 1: and there was some question could he play third base.
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  Speaker 1: He was playing third base on and off in the minors,
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  Speaker 1: plays first base. Actually looked really good defensively at first base.
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  Speaker 1: But we're seeing this young guy, Blaze Jordan, another guy
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  Speaker 1: that the Cardinals called up, and he hits the ground
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  Speaker 1: running Matt.
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  Speaker 2: That's not easy to do, is it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's impressive.
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  Speaker 5: I think that anytime you get called up, I mean,
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  Speaker 5: never played in the big leagues, the pitching is obviously better.
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  Speaker 5: There's this pressure, you know, this this excitement that you
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  Speaker 5: need to harness. But you know, he's been on the
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  Speaker 5: map a long time. He was like a childlihood sensation.
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  Speaker 5: I remember my boys watching you know, him hit homers
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  Speaker 5: on on YouTube and and however else you you know,
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  Speaker 5: streaming uh stuff. So this guy's been, uh, he's been,
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  Speaker 5: you know, sort of a name in baseball for a
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  Speaker 5: long time, and uh for him to get his chance
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  Speaker 5: and come up and do well and contribute to the
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  Speaker 5: Cardinals is uh is pretty cool. So it's it's been
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  Speaker 5: it's been pretty amazing to watch, you know. I think
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  Speaker 5: their offense, I think coming into the season, you probably
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  Speaker 5: wouldn't have guessed they would hit this many home runs,
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  Speaker 5: and looking at their roster, that they would have had
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  Speaker 5: manufacture a few more runs than this offense might struggle
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  Speaker 5: to hit some home runs, but a lot of guys
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  Speaker 5: are are are are hitting well. I think it's contagious.
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  Speaker 5: I think guys are relaxed. I think new Bar comes
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  Speaker 5: off the DL. He doesn't feel the.
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  Speaker 4: Pressure to carry the team.
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  Speaker 5: You don't have to slide him back in and and
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  Speaker 5: and say, okay, larger hitting third.
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  Speaker 4: And we need you to hit homers.
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  Speaker 5: You know, he can kind of just come back in
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  Speaker 5: and and and kind of, you know, gradually work his
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  Speaker 5: way back and get get healthy and comfortable. And when
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  Speaker 5: you don't have that pressure, when you kind of can
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  Speaker 5: just feel like you can go out there and contribute.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's the best case scenario for guys that
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  Speaker 5: are coming off injury, your guys that are coming up
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  Speaker 5: from the minor leagues, the expectation is just be you know,
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  Speaker 5: have a good at bat and pass it to the
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  Speaker 5: next guy. I think that's a that's a healthy way
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  Speaker 5: to break in new players and bring players off the
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  Speaker 5: d L.
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  Speaker 1: Now we talk about Burley. We'll talk more about him
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  Speaker 1: in a second. Walker continues to crush. But let's talk
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  Speaker 1: about JJ Weatherhole. Let's not forget this is croaked season
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  Speaker 1: and he's doing everything. He played short stuff the other day,
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  Speaker 1: but double digit homers always seems to hit with runners
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  Speaker 1: in scoring position. What are your thoughts on what JJ
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  Speaker 1: has been able to do? And again, he's new to MLB.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think he's uh, you know, he's
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  Speaker 3: somebody that I picked for my homer, you know, picked
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  Speaker 3: the click quite a bit becau. I just feel like
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  Speaker 3: he has a little bit of a slow heartbeat. You know,
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  Speaker 3: he gets up there in his first few games at
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  Speaker 3: Bush Stadium and he's singing his walk up song and
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  Speaker 3: he's just you know, having fun and playing baseball. Already defensively,
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  Speaker 3: one of the better second basements according to quite a
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  Speaker 3: few metrics, which is, you know, a big bonus to have.
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  Speaker 3: Normally at second base, you've got some kind of a
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  Speaker 3: defensive player or an offensive player that you know struggles
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  Speaker 3: a little bit defensively. When you have both, it's it's
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  Speaker 3: a game changer. Let me say that again. Second base
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  Speaker 3: normally is not a game changing position in the game.
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  Speaker 3: But when you can add that to your lineup, it
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  Speaker 3: can make a big difference and allow you to get
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  Speaker 3: by with maybe some holes on your team in another area.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I think it's pretty impressive with what he's doing. Obviously,
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  Speaker 3: his makeup is off the charts from what I've heard
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  Speaker 3: and from what people are saying, and you know, that
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  Speaker 3: makes a big difference. I think it allows guys to
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  Speaker 3: weather maybe a few games where you go over. And
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  Speaker 3: it also allows you to keep your head about you
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  Speaker 3: a little bit whenever you're on a tear and and
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  Speaker 3: we're always told you're never as good as your best times,
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  Speaker 3: and you're never as bad as your bad times. You're
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  Speaker 3: always somewhere in the middle. So if he can keep
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  Speaker 3: going and keep playing well above average baseball all around
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  Speaker 3: the diamond, on both sides of the ball, you know,
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  Speaker 3: he's exactly what the Cardinals were hoping for.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you kind of forget that he's a rookie, the
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  Speaker 1: way he plays defense, the way he hits, the way
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  Speaker 1: he carries himself. Matt, what's the most impressive thing to
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  Speaker 1: you about J. J.
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  Speaker 2: Weather.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think people forget that. I think
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  Speaker 5: coming into his junior year, a lot of the mock
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  Speaker 5: drafts had him won one and they I.
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  Speaker 4: Think he had an injury his junior year.
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  Speaker 5: He missed some time and and ended up, you know,
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  Speaker 5: still having a good year. But I think that there
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  Speaker 5: was there was a big contingent of people that thought
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  Speaker 5: he was the best player uh coming into that draft
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  Speaker 5: and and ended up I think I don't know what
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  Speaker 5: pick the Cardinals got him at, but I think they
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  Speaker 5: they felt really lucky and and and with that opportunity
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  Speaker 5: to pick him, and so having been around him a
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  Speaker 5: little bit with uh, you know, Oaklhoma State has one
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  Speaker 5: of the coaches at West Virginia that helped get him
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  Speaker 5: there and coach him and knew a little bit about
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  Speaker 5: JJ even before the Cardinals drafted him.
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  Speaker 4: That was the talk.
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  Speaker 5: Is a great great character, great work ethic, loves baseball baseball,
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  Speaker 5: rat loves to play, loves to practice. And I think
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  Speaker 5: that that you're seeing that any He's a college kid
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  Speaker 5: that played three years. So I think when you've played,
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  Speaker 5: when you've played college and played three years, UH, you
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  Speaker 5: can move up the you know, the the minor leagues
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  Speaker 5: pretty fast. The stage has not bothered him. Like like
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  Speaker 5: Kyle said, he's he seems very comfortable in his own skin,
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  Speaker 5: very comfortable in the box, with the with the team.
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  Speaker 5: He played shortstop in college, so that always helps when
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  Speaker 5: you when you move over to second, you have more
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  Speaker 5: arm strength and maybe the average second basement because you've
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  Speaker 5: played shortstop your whole life, which helps you can go
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  Speaker 5: the ball up the middle and make the strong throw
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  Speaker 5: on the double play, you get that extra step on
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  Speaker 5: the runner. So I think that that he adds a
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  Speaker 5: lot when you start talking about everything he does on
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  Speaker 5: a baseball field and in the clubhouse and and uh,
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  Speaker 5: you know, he's one of these guys that that you
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  Speaker 5: can kind of start to think about building around. He's
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  Speaker 5: kind of like a pillar of the organization. If he
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  Speaker 5: continues to get better, you're looking at, you know, a
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  Speaker 5: perennial all star type of talent and player.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 5: These are the guys that you need to develop. And
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  Speaker 5: if you can develop them and and get them up
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  Speaker 5: there and they produce and then you can resign them.
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  Speaker 5: Uh if you can, if you can produce your own
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  Speaker 5: superstar players, that's your best chance to have long term
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  Speaker 5: uh success and winning, and particularly if you're if you're
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  Speaker 5: not going to be in the free agent market every
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  Speaker 5: year if you can develop your own all star players,
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  Speaker 5: you give yourself a chance to win every year.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that that's when you.
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  Speaker 5: Start talking about Jordan Walker and and Mason Winn and
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  Speaker 5: and jj and and and Burrelson, some of these guys
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  Speaker 5: that have come up through the Cardinals system. It looks
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  Speaker 5: more and more like it did when when we were
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  Speaker 5: able to have the sustainable run where you're every year
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  Speaker 5: in the playoffs. And so I think that that's exciting
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  Speaker 5: as as a Cardinal fan, and you know, I think
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  Speaker 5: they should be excited about some of the development that
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  Speaker 5: they're seeing from these young players.
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  Speaker 1: It was unbelievable. All right, let's talk about Nolan Morman.
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  Speaker 1: So before uh we did our last episode the Cardinals,
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, after we did our last episode, the Cardinals
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  Speaker 1: sent Gorman. Now he was strung right, he was in
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  Speaker 1: a bad way, striking out an awful lot.
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  Speaker 2: How did the Cardinals handle that?
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  Speaker 1: And and I'll go with Holiday because he's a header
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  Speaker 1: on this what does he have to do to.
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  Speaker 2: Sort of correct himself?
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  Speaker 1: We know what's in there because we've seen it, and
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  Speaker 1: he has to kind of power very few hitters.
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  Speaker 2: What does he have to do to get right?
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  Speaker 5: Look, I think at this point you're looking at some
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  Speaker 5: sort of change. You have to make a mechanical change.
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  Speaker 5: You can't keep rolling out the same move, whether it's
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  Speaker 5: your load or your timing or your path. So whatever
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  Speaker 5: whatever he's got going right now, it's gonna have to
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  Speaker 5: change a little bit. And you're gonna have to either
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  Speaker 5: try a stance change or try some sort of hand move,
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  Speaker 5: or maybe an earlier load or a different load. But
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  Speaker 5: I think sometimes with hitting, if if you just keep
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  Speaker 5: running the same thing out there, it's not going to
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  Speaker 5: get much better. And I think that that's one of
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  Speaker 5: the things where I don't know. I mean, I haven't
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  Speaker 5: watched him enough to give you my personal opinion on
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  Speaker 5: what I would do to change him. But like you said,
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  Speaker 5: the raw power obviously has been there forever, and you know,
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  Speaker 5: at times has shown it. It's just been the consistency, right,
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  Speaker 5: just consistence, consistency.
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  Speaker 4: Of the bat path.
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  Speaker 5: When you have that kind of power, if you can
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  Speaker 5: keep the bat and the strike zone long enough to
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  Speaker 5: touch enough balls, then you can have you can have
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  Speaker 5: more sustained success and you can find hits and they
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  Speaker 5: don't always have to be home runs. Where it seemingly
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  Speaker 5: is is for you know, lately, it's been for him,
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  Speaker 5: it's been all or nothing, And that could be a
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  Speaker 5: tough that could be a tough place to be where
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  Speaker 5: you know you're relying on the home run, you're striking
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  Speaker 5: out a lot, it's a it's a and you're not
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  Speaker 5: hitting a bunch of them, and so it's a stagnant offense,
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  Speaker 5: you know when you get there to his spot. So
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  Speaker 5: I think, you know, sort of just some sort of
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  Speaker 5: change would be my suggestion of let's do something different
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  Speaker 5: that feels different because we've got to unlock that that
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  Speaker 5: power potential.
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  Speaker 4: That would be what I would say.
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  Speaker 1: And if you look, Kyle and what the Cardinals are
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  Speaker 1: doing now, still win it, right, still seven games over
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  Speaker 1: five hundred, but the lineup they've kind of renovated it
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  Speaker 1: on the fly, and this is a year that's a reset.
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  Speaker 1: They're still winning, but they put different pieces. It seems
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  Speaker 1: people they call up are doing a good job than
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  Speaker 1: the people they got to send down to work on things.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever they do, it seems to.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean I think that's something that you know,
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  Speaker 3: is a is a sign of good process. I think
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  Speaker 3: that's something that's a sign of a front office that
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  Speaker 3: has a good plan. And this is not to contrast
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  Speaker 3: with what Mo and the previous front office did. I think,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the Cardinals had a lot of prosperous times
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  Speaker 3: where they would bring up players and would be really
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  Speaker 3: good and had stretches of long success. Right, So I
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  Speaker 3: don't make that statement as to say, you know what
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  Speaker 3: him is doing is you know, uncharted territories for Cardinal
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  Speaker 3: fans because it's not but you notice it more when
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  Speaker 3: you're winning. You notice it more when it's an immediate
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  Speaker 3: impact or when it's a player that you don't necessarily
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  Speaker 3: expect it to come from. So that's a good thing,
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  Speaker 3: you know. And I think you know, in a situation
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  Speaker 3: with Blaze Jordan or Hunter Dobbins or or you know
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  Speaker 3: some of these other players that have been traded for,
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  Speaker 3: you know, that's that's also a welcoming site is when
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  Speaker 3: you when as a fan base, you feel like you
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  Speaker 3: gave away, uh, you know, trade away three or four
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  Speaker 3: players that you're pretty excited to watch and thought you
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  Speaker 3: made your team better. And now when these young guys
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  Speaker 3: come up and are showing the kind of player and
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: the reason why they were traded for, you know, that
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: can definitely help. So I think when it comes to Gorman,
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: I mean, I agree with Holiday, I think, uh, I
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: think some sort of change is probably important, even if
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: it's just trying to remember his identity as a player
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: when he's gone through some of these good stretches, because
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: let's face it, he's been above average hitter for many
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: stretches in his career. It's just you know, in the
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: Cardinals fans and probably in his mind right now, he
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: remembers the struggles a little bit more because he's just
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: had him more recently. But you know, he's a player that,
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: as I talked to Cardinals fans before I was with
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: the Cardinals and and after is you know, he was
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: a thirty to forty homer power guy. And you know,
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: how can how can the hitter, the hitting development guys
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: and the hitting coaches get together and figure out, you know,
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: how can we put Nolan in the best place physically
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: in the box, mentally in the box to get the
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: best out of them? You know, that's what what really
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: good coach is doing, what really did good development staffs do.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I hope nothing for the best for him.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: I hope that he can, you know, make some adjustments
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: and come back up because I've I've always said since
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: my time there, I think he has a chance to
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: be a huge piece of making this team take the
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: next step because of his power and his defense and.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Still young, right, still young guys, Soo's got plenty of
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: time to to straighten things out.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: When we come back from a quick break, we'll talk
• 18:01
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  Speaker 2: All right, so let's talk a little Burley.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: He's got five homers in his last six game, which
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: he's got a fourteen game heading streak.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Look, I know we all know how good Burley can be.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: And he's another guy who's by any standard, not an
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: old guy, still a young player. But Matt, he seems
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: to be getting better and better and better, and he
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: can do it all. He can drive an outside pitch.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: You want to throw him a neck high fastball, he's
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: going to crush that too. What do you see in
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Alan Burlason?
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think this is such a throwback
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: like hitter. And I saw on the MLB Network the
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: other day they put us side by side up of
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: him and John Cruck and maybe, you know, just because
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: of the beard and the physical maybe appearance, but I
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: think he's such a he's such a throwback hitter of like,
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: he just can hit. Like the hit skill is the
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: one that stands out out right. He got to the
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: big leagues not because he hit a ton of home runs,
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: but because he can hit the ball to all fields
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: and he's he's got a good swing and he's just
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: he's just kind of a classic hitter. And now it
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: looks to me like he's starting to pick out balls
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: that he can hit over the fence, and now he's
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: hitting for more power and home runs. And I think that, like,
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: that's the best evolution of hitting. I think for me,
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: is like a guy that can hit the ball all
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: over the field, hits for a lot of doubles, hits
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: for a high average, and then as they get older
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: and more experienced and maybe even a little bit stronger,
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: they start those doubles start turning into home runs, they
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: start looking for pitches to hit over the fence, and
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: they develop into an all star hitter or maybe even
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: you know, a silver Slowger type of bat. And I
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: think that that's the maturation that we're looking at with him,
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: is that he can hit like he flat out knows
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: what he's doing. He's always hit, and now you know,
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: he's hitting more home runs. Obviously, Bush Stadium is not,
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: you know, the best place to hit home runs, but
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: he's hitting homers and and he and Ordan Walker, you know,
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: to me, as as the middle of the order, are
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: allowing the Cardinals to hope for like this is not
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: just a reset, like we can actually make the playoffs
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: and maybe we go out and add a piece or
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: two to our team and and and.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: See what happens.
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: And so I think that the maturation of him and
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: Jordan have allowed the rest of the lineup sort of
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: to fall into place, and guys are plugged in where
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: they where they are most comfortable. And and so now
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: all of a sudden, their lineup and their offense is
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: is is in a much better place than than last
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: year at this time. So the combination of him and
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: obviously the pitching and the young pitching is has been helpful.
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: But I look at I look at him and Jordan Walker,
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: and I said, this is why we're talking about the
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: Cardinals in the first playoffs or first wild card spot
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: as we head, you know, towards the All Star break
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: of this team's not they're not looking to sell or
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: at least they're gonna have to consider adding as opposed
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: to tory trading off players. So I'm excited about about him.
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: And he's, like I said, I enjoy watching him hit.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: He's he's kind of a throwback.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Seems to be getting better.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Look, I've been around baseball a long time, but what
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: I do is ask bad questions. So professional, Yes, you do, Kyle,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: you're a pitcher, so you've seen Burley hit. It seems
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: to me like you're always trying to attack the weak
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: spots for a hitter, and I just don't see.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: A lot of weak spots from Burley.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: How would you attack this guy if there's a way
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: that seems plausible?
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, by the way holiday marginal.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: It is a good question, except you know, when I
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: go back and look at our list of things to
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: talk about, it just said Burley. So it didn't say
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: come up with a plan to get him out. You know.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: So you're asking me on the fly.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: Here on the fly. That's why you get paid the
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: big bucks, buddy.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: You know, it would normally take me thirty minutes to
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: dig into you know, So so here goes nothing. So
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: I think one thing that stood out about Burley to
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: me was how he prepared and how he he took
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: the time to kind of figure out in his mind
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: what a picture was going to do. He understands his swing,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: he understands it strengths really well. But then he also
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: has a good idea of what the picture does and
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: what the picture strengths are. So there's just times where
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: to me, it seems like he's not gonna let the
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: picture get him out with the same pitch two times
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: in a row, you know, which seems like standard stuff.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: But there's a lot of hitters that'll go up there
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: and stick to their plan the whole game. You know.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: I think he's just somebody that's able to make in
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: a bad adjustments and even location to location, which you know,
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I would think that that might even
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: be a little bit harder than you know, from fastball
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: to off speed, you know, looking different speeds and different
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: sides of the plate. You know, if you're able to
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: adjust like that, it makes you a pretty good hitter.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: I think. So if I were to start, you know,
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: and face Burley right now, what I normally did was
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: I looked for where is his least amount of damage
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: on a heater early in counts, and that's where I'm
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: starting to hit her off, and then I I would
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: look and see, you know, which off speed pitches he's
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: struggling with, and then I would go after that. You know,
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Burley is a guy just like you know Matt said.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: He can put the bat on the ball in any
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: count he wants to. Because his back to ball skills
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: are elite. His strikeouts probably mostly come from, you know,
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: taking a big swing at a pitch that looked like
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: something he could do damage on. But he does a
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: great job of fating the ball all directions, which makes
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: him tough to pitch to. A guy that just hooks
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: the ball is going to try to hook the off
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: speed and the fastball and the same at bat versus
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Burley can kind of, you know, be on time to
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: pull the off speed and then still flick the heater
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: the other way and stay on it. His bat stays
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: in the zone a long time. And you know, I think,
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: like Matt said, this is the harder way to teach hitting.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: From what I have talked to people, It's a little
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: bit easier to tell somebody to just swing hard and
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: try to hit the ball farther. It's not as easy
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: to teach somebody the contact skill. It's not as easy
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: to teach somebody the put the ball and play and
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: hit for average. So the fact that Burley can do
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: that and now he's developing, Okay, this is gonna be
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: my swing, and I'm gonna see what I can do
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: to this ball. If I get this pitch, I'm i
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: try to take my shot and then go back to
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: his approach. That's why he's got a silver Slugger, and
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: that's why I think, you know, he's got a chance
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: to get a few more in his career because he
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: he really understands that cat and mouse in the box
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: and he has the adjustability in it. Bat also, I
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: feel like, and Matt, I don't know what you think,
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: but I just feel like he has the ability to
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: get his swing off quickly. You know, he gets loaded
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: and when he chooses to swing, he can go quickly,
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: just you know, a touch faster than most big leaguers
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: and most guys that I've seen.
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think that when that's what makes
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: a really good hitter, right, is a guy that that
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: it's a small move, Like he doesn't have a lot
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: of movement in his swing, so it's easily repeatable. And
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: and like Kyle said, like the timing of being ready
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: for the heater and then the ability to stay on
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: the off speed. And I think that's what separates him
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: is that he can hit the fastball the other way
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: and pull the off speed and when you look at him,
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: his load is repeatable. It's it looks very similar to
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: what he's done his whole life. There's not a big
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: move and and then he's ready on time. And I
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: think a lot of hitters, particularly now, with the velocity,
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: you don't have. You don't have time for excess movement,
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: you don't have time for over overloading.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: Or you know, a late hand move.
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: So I think he has a a simple swing that
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: allows him to be on today's velocity. But yet he's
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: got sort of an old school mentality where he hits
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: the ball all over the field. He's not caught up
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: in the hitting it high to the pull side where
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: you know everybody's calculating the biggest slug is high to
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: the pool side.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: Well we know that, we've.
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: Always known that, but it's like, how do you get
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: to the high to the pool side? And if you
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: sell out to hitting every everything high to the pool side,
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: you're very.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: Much more easy to pitch to.
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: You know, pitchers can live down in a way because
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: the pitch is almost impossible.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: To hit to hide to the pool side.
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: So when you have a guy that can spray the
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: ball and do damage the other way, now all of
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: a sudden they have to come closer to you, and
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: then you could pull those balls high to the pool
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: side and get the slug that everybody's talking about. But
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: if you never hit the ball the other way, and
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: you never show the ability to do damage and drive
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: in runs by using the outside part of the plate,
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: why would they ever come towards you. And so the
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: pitcher can just live out there. It's the easy, most
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: easy pitch to execute. If you miss it runs off
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: the plate, If you miss high, it runs up in
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: a way. And so I think that when you force
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: pitchers to come towards you, you have more chance of
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: would do damage to the pool side. And that's where
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: like some of the modern day hitting top of well
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: just you know, you want we want to hit it,
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: you know, high and and don't hit it on the
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: ground and pull it. And I just think we leave
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: a lot a lot out of how do we do
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: that and why you know, pictures are doing what they're doing,
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: and what do we do with that?
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: And so I think he does.
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: A great job of of of damaging the ball out
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: over and then when he knows that he's he's got
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: pictures to come towards him, then he's got the ability
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: to pull the ball in the air.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: And so.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: He's a he's a he's a like I said, he's
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: a he's a bit of a throwback hitter for me,
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: which I love to watch and and I think it's
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: been rubbing off on some of the other guys when
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: you talk about, you know, Jordan Walker's power.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: I think this is.
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: Something that that Nolan Gorman could watch and and sort
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: of you know, take note of is the ability that
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: that Burlson has shown to use the whole field and
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: and I think that that's that's something that that he
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: could do as well. So I think that's why you're
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: seeing the production from Walker and Burlson that you're seeing
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: as they're using the whole field.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: A lot of insight that all right, Last thing, Kyle,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: this one's for you.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: During a season, sometimes the offense is hot, sometimes it's
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: starting rotation is hot, sometimes not. Sometimes the bullpen is good,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: sometimes a bullpen is not. Right now with the cardinal
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: bullpen kind of a match right now, tell me something
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: to make me understand that this too shall pass and
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: and they can get it together.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: I thought you were going into the next ad like
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: we had like a porta cool fan coming in. You know,
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: when you're hot and you need to cool off, this
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: is what you need.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Idea. Yeah, it's a good selling Okay, uh.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: No, you know, I was just kind of looking at
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: some bullpen and starter numbers. E RA A really is
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: pretty similar, honestly, between the two. The bullpenny RA gets
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: gets you know, more flat for being over four, just
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: because you know, it's shorter stints and less innings, you know,
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: and normally when you're giving up runs, you're probably giving
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: up runs at the end of the game like they
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: have here recently. And you know, when you're doing that
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: as a leverage guy, you're probably giving up the lead,
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: which also, you know, draws a lot more attention. So
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: I think the bullpen is still a spot where it
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: can be a shrink for this team. You know, we
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: still have guys down there that have had you know,
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: really really good seasons, and I've had really good stretches,
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: I know, you know, Standing you know, give up a
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: couple of runs recently, but he was on a fifteen
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: or seventeen game streak where he was really really reliable
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: and nasty. We know what Jojo can do. You know,
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: Jojo I feel like has been you know, snake bitten
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: by five or six of his twenty something outing, So
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: I still believe that he is, you know, the back
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: end leverage guy. And you know, we all have seen
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: Riley O'Brien be really nasty, and I think he's given
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: up a few runs in either non safe situations or
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: non blown saves where he's just you know, let the
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: game get closer. But I do think the bullpen was,
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: to me, would be a lot more magnified if the
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: offense wasn't doing what they were doing, Because I think
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: the offense is making up for some of those issues
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: right now. That's not always gonna be the case. So
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: I think there's gonna be stretches here, especially coming into
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: the next few weeks where you're playing some really really
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: good teams where if the bullpen falters, the offense may
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: not be you know, getting five six runs a game
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: and making up for some of them. So I do
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: think we're going to be in a stretcher where if
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: the back end of the bullpen and these guys can
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: you know, get going again and locking in here for
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: the next few weeks, it's gonna be a big deal
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: for this team and really allow them to get to
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: the All Star Break. Because if I remember right, there's
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: some some games coming up here against some some playoff
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: teams that are gonna you know, kind of determine here
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: going into the All Star Break where they're gonna be
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: sitting in the wildcard. So you know, this would be
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: a good stretch for the bullpen to you know, go
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: on a good run and you know, lock down the
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: leads at the end of the at the end of
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: the game and really take some of the pressure off
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: the offense as they're going up against these above five
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: hundred teams.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: So just to recap today's podcast, we've had a poorly
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: executed live read by me and lots of insight from YouTube. Gentlemen,
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate that and thank you for that. That's going
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  Speaker 1: to do it.
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  Speaker 3: For Don't be too hard on yourself, though you did
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  Speaker 3: wear a time. I think it's worth putting out.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's worth putting out that bullpen is the
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  Speaker 5: easiest thing to get at the trade deadline, Like that's
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  Speaker 5: where if the Cardinals are really going to go for it,
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  Speaker 5: this is something where you can go out and trade
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  Speaker 5: and get a couple of bullpen pieces because the teams
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  Speaker 5: that aren't in the playoffs are willing to trade bullpen pieces,
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  Speaker 5: So I think it, Like I said, if they keep
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  Speaker 5: going and they're in the in the race, closing in
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  Speaker 5: on the deadline, this is where you can add. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: so even if they are running out of gas a
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  Speaker 5: little bit in the back end, they might be able
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  Speaker 5: to go out and get a couple of pieces that
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  Speaker 5: would help them, you know, potentially push into the playoffs.
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  Speaker 5: So I think that if you're going to have struggles,
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  Speaker 5: that sometimes that's the easiest place to acquire.
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  Speaker 1: And him said, they're not gonna forego the long term
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  Speaker 1: plan just to add for this year just to get
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  Speaker 1: in he has.
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  Speaker 2: He said, we'll be creative about it.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that falls into you can get bullpen
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  Speaker 1: pieces without mortgaging your future. Gentlemen, that's gonna do it
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  Speaker 1: for this edition of Cardinal Territory. We'll see you next time.
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  Speaker 1: Hopefully that episode won't suck.