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AI, Art, and the Era of Slop | Guapdad 4000 x Joy Taylor · Two Personal with Joy Taylor

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  Speaker 1: But I'm living in illusion, you know, I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: dip unfathomable, unfathomable nuggets in the sauce of the cosmos.
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  Speaker 2: Every day we have more dumb fucks than we've ever had.
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  Speaker 2: It is a chosen stupidity, is a chosen ignorance that
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  Speaker 2: I think so many people are operating with.
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  Speaker 3: I'm in our kiss in that way.
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  Speaker 1: I really believe on setting shit on far Dan, you know,
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  Speaker 1: sweeping the ashes off.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, guys, welcome to Personal. I'm Joy Taylor. Make sure
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  Speaker 2: you hit subscribe if you haven't already. Really excited to
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  Speaker 2: talk to gwap Dad four thousand today onto Personal. He's
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  Speaker 2: a Grammy Grammy nominated recording artists, a rapper, performer, and
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  Speaker 2: actor and a good friend of mine and that is
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  Speaker 2: going to be a great conversation.
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  Speaker 3: But before we get to that.
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  Speaker 2: In today's episode of men will Do Anything But Go
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  Speaker 2: to Therapy, I came across this article that you know,
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  Speaker 2: it takes a lot to shock me on the Internet
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  Speaker 2: these days, just quite a bit of stuff on there,
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  Speaker 2: but this story really really put it over the edge
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  Speaker 2: for me. It was an article published by The New
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  Speaker 2: York Post that men are using AI software to create
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  Speaker 2: hyper realistic romantic partners, only to berate and degrade them.
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  Speaker 2: So basically, they're creating AI girlfriends that they have these
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  Speaker 2: sexual relationships with, and then after they verbally abuse them,
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  Speaker 2: they threaten to uninstall the app, They call them super
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  Speaker 2: degrading names, and basically have a verbally abusive relationship with
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  Speaker 2: their AI girlfriends. Are y'all okay? Like, are you okay?
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  Speaker 2: I'm sending out the are men okay? As someone who
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  Speaker 2: is a survivor. Obviously this is incredibly triggering and the
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  Speaker 2: sound of the story is really insane, But I actually
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  Speaker 2: think I'm starting to believe that it's really a problem.
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  Speaker 2: The idea of creating a fake girlfriend for you to
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  Speaker 2: abuse that should be a sign that you need to
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  Speaker 2: talk to someone. And I'm not being sarcastic. It's time.
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  Speaker 2: It's time. It's not okay because it's a robot. It
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  Speaker 2: is very troubling that someone would even have the idea
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  Speaker 2: of this, let alone this being an actual thing that
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  Speaker 2: men are doing. And I understand that there is this
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  Speaker 2: loneliness epidemic going on with men in society. One third
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  Speaker 2: of young men feel that no one will fall in
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  Speaker 2: love with them. Men feel like they can't fill the
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  Speaker 2: role of provider, so there's sixteen point three times more
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  Speaker 2: likely to contemplate suicide. Sixty nine percent of young men
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  Speaker 2: agree with the statement that no one cares if men
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  Speaker 2: are okay. A lot of young people feel like they
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  Speaker 2: will never find love in their life. I understand that
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  Speaker 2: there are some real issues facing people and their ability
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  Speaker 2: to connect with others, and the gender war that we
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  Speaker 2: sometimes have kind of playful conversations about actually is a
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  Speaker 2: real thing that affects people. That being said, it's not
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  Speaker 2: women's faults that men are having trouble connecting with human women.
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  Speaker 2: It is not women's faults that the patriarchy has created
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  Speaker 2: these gender roles where men are supposed to provide and
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  Speaker 2: women are supposed to take care of the home. And
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  Speaker 2: now that women have finally achieved some autonomy to be
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  Speaker 2: able to have control over their finances so that I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, if their husband is beating them, they can
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  Speaker 2: take their kids and leave. And circling back to how
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  Speaker 2: this conversation started, men are creating fake women to abuse online,
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  Speaker 2: so the idea that women were getting abused at home
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  Speaker 2: should not be that crazy to hear.
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  Speaker 3: It is the patriarchy's fault.
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  Speaker 2: And when we talk about the patriarchy all there's this
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  Speaker 2: immediate eye roll that comes to everyone. But the fact
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  Speaker 2: of the matter is the patriarchy doesn't just hurt women.
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  Speaker 2: It creates a space where men cannot be empathetic, they
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  Speaker 2: cannot have feelings, they cannot provide something other than money,
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  Speaker 2: and that seems to be something that is emotionally affecting
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  Speaker 2: a lot of young men and men in general. If
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  Speaker 2: you don't want to be looked at as only the provider,
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  Speaker 2: then bring more to the table than provisions. But in
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  Speaker 2: order to do that, you have to develop a personality.
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  Speaker 2: You have to be an empathetic person. You have to
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  Speaker 2: care about what other people want that goes beyond money.
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  Speaker 2: That's why a lot of women are talking about now
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  Speaker 2: connecting with men and the idea that the traditional roles
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  Speaker 2: don't play the same factor in dating. Yes, there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of propaganda online that women only want to be
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  Speaker 2: with millionaires. There's also a lot of propaganda online that
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  Speaker 2: men only want to be with women with bbls. The
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  Speaker 2: reality is, if you go outside and touch grass, there
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  Speaker 2: are millions of people, billions of people who are just
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  Speaker 2: out there looking for love, looking for connection, looking for relationships,
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  Speaker 2: but you have to provide more than just provisions. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: there's a new age and sometimes you might meet a
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  Speaker 2: woman who wants just material things and guess what, She's
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  Speaker 2: not for you. And if it's a woman who has
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  Speaker 2: access to material things or her own material things, then
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  Speaker 2: she might want just personality And if you don't have
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  Speaker 2: one of those, she's not for you. But I would
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  Speaker 2: encourage if you are someone who has decided to make
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  Speaker 2: an AI bot to abuse, not joking, please seek. This
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  Speaker 2: is so deeply disturbing that we have reached this point
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  Speaker 2: in society where this is a thing. It's not like
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  Speaker 2: one guy did this. Like not only do they think
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  Speaker 2: this is something that they should do, but they actually
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  Speaker 2: think it's positive because they're not abusing a real person.
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  Speaker 2: This is where we are, guys, All right, Time to
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  Speaker 2: talk to my friend gap Dad. I am so excited
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  Speaker 2: to have Grammy nominated artists gab Dad four thousand on
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  Speaker 2: the show Rappers, songwriter, actor, creative and a dear friend.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome Wop. Thank you for having me in your summer fit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah, big boy pants.
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  Speaker 2: Big boy pants.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Goop is quite the dresser. What is your style
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  Speaker 3: inspiration right now?
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  Speaker 1: It swings in between like the fifties and the seventies,
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  Speaker 1: pulling from a lot of black brown silhouettes, from like
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  Speaker 1: traditional to dandy like hippi shit. Sometimes, yeah, do.
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  Speaker 2: You feel like sometimes in style for men there like
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  Speaker 2: there's a hesitation to go back to those eras because
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  Speaker 2: we've won, not us. But you know, some people have
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  Speaker 2: made it seem like it's like feminine to.
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  Speaker 3: Do all that. Why is that?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think because it's still you know how
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  Speaker 1: every six months you gonna see a tweet from like
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  Speaker 1: some random, like really burly black looking dude about how
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  Speaker 1: it was like a gay agenda or something that's that's
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  Speaker 1: always in rotation.
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  Speaker 3: He's got to be burly, you know, patchy beerd but
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  Speaker 3: like it.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't connect, you know what, it's always the beards that
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  Speaker 2: doesn't connect for the gay agenda.
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  Speaker 1: Every time you're gonna see some shit like that. I
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  Speaker 1: can't really describe the root of it, but I think
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  Speaker 1: that's like the essence of that hate. And then it
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  Speaker 1: kind of waters down and people just not rocking with
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  Speaker 1: certain things.
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  Speaker 2: You know. The irony of it is there's like a
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  Speaker 2: trend on TikTok and I see it on ID two
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  Speaker 2: of dressing for the female gaze versus dressing for the
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  Speaker 2: male gaze and gays gays, I gaze not gaye. Just
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  Speaker 2: so everyone is paying attention.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's kind of like a double entendre.
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  Speaker 2: But I am saying I gaze and when you're dressed
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  Speaker 2: for women, it's like this, and it is more tailored,
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  Speaker 2: it's more specific, it's more intentional. And the irony is
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  Speaker 2: that is what will be labeled as the gay agenda.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean that's people who maybe those dudes
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  Speaker 1: really want a woman who only has those type of
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  Speaker 1: ideals in black and white about what masculine effeminine food
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  Speaker 1: for them, niggas. I like women and I want women
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  Speaker 1: to like me, So I'm dressing for the female gags
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  Speaker 1: and the female gags.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe stealing fish for me too.
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  Speaker 2: Where you get your confidence in that though, because you
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  Speaker 2: are you are an extremely confident person, but your confidence
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  Speaker 2: is understated, if I might say, because.
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  Speaker 1: I like to keep it at confidence. The problem with
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  Speaker 1: having such big uh admiration for myself and belief in
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  Speaker 1: my ability or abilities, it's a thin line between holding
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  Speaker 1: that and then just being vain or like pure out
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  Speaker 1: of the ego, So I like to keep it under rasper.
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  Speaker 1: I like to you scaled it that way, because I
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  Speaker 1: feel like anything on the other side, it's just kind
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  Speaker 1: of poisonous to this self.
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  Speaker 2: Do have you had an experience with your ego that
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  Speaker 2: you didn't like?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, all the time. All the time. I don't really
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  Speaker 3: feel awkwardness, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I have to like look at body language to know
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  Speaker 1: when somebody feels awkward or uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 3: That was a learned thing for me.
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  Speaker 1: So being as blunt a speaker as I am, I
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  Speaker 1: done ran into all kind of miscommunications. People call me
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  Speaker 1: a gig or think I don't care about things that
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  Speaker 1: I'm really passionate about. But I wasn't able to look
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  Speaker 1: outside of my own ego and perceive myself in the moments.
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  Speaker 2: Bec then, I think I struggle with ego a lot
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  Speaker 2: because I'm a man and I kind of feel like
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  Speaker 2: in some ways, I don't want to I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to lose the benefits of having an ego because I
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  Speaker 2: think ego and confidence are sort of and power are
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  Speaker 2: kind of all intertwined. And in order to move around
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  Speaker 2: a world that doesn't want you in a lot of spaces,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, defending yourself from the power of haters
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  Speaker 2: and showing up as yourself in your full you know, glory.
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  Speaker 2: It kind of requires a little bit of delusion.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a delusional ass nigga. I'm gonna tell you that
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  Speaker 1: right now. But for me, my delusion isn't really attached
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  Speaker 1: to my ego so directly, you know, it's really attached
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  Speaker 1: to every Like I think everything is possible, whether I
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  Speaker 1: am physically capable of doing it currently or not. I
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  Speaker 1: feel like that's where my ego gets checked. But I'm
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  Speaker 1: living in delusion, you know. I'm trying to dip unfathomable,
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  Speaker 1: unfathomable nuggets in the salt of the cosmos every day.
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  Speaker 2: I love you. Where's your creativity take you? Most times?
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  Speaker 2: Because I find when I'm in a creative space, I'm
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  Speaker 2: usually a little sad.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely get creative when I'm sad.
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  Speaker 3: For sure?
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  Speaker 2: Is that your best creative space? Because in some ways
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  Speaker 2: I believe. I believe when I look at certain artists
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  Speaker 2: and you look at what's happening in their life, sometimes
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  Speaker 2: their best work is tied to their you know, raws
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  Speaker 2: moments or most painful moments.
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  Speaker 3: I think, for me.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe my realist songs is when I pull from note
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  Speaker 1: from that trauma for those experiences, and it is like
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  Speaker 1: the bottom line, but like things that I feel like
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  Speaker 1: super ring true to me when I'm making a song.
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  Speaker 3: But I think I'm the happy.
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  Speaker 1: I like am the most creative when my life is lit,
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  Speaker 1: when I'm seeing progress in like all my endeavors, and
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  Speaker 1: I just have the freedom to clock out and make
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  Speaker 1: a song, That's when I make the best.
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  Speaker 3: Shit.
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  Speaker 2: Do you like to write? Does it hit you random
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  Speaker 2: times or do you have to make time to write,
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  Speaker 2: because I have to make time to write.
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  Speaker 3: It depends on what it is.
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  Speaker 1: When I was doing like the freestyle series I was trying.
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  Speaker 1: I took the time out to write those and study
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  Speaker 1: and do the homework so I could deliver them and
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  Speaker 1: execute them in the.
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  Speaker 3: Way that people will respect. But I was just in Chicago.
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  Speaker 1: Chance to Rapper had a skating rink party and they
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  Speaker 1: would playing a chechno instrumental. I freestyled to that bitch
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  Speaker 1: for like eight minutes on loop, doing laps around the ring.
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about sweating. I had to come out the shirt.
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  Speaker 3: It was weird. I got sweaty, But I was just
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  Speaker 3: typing on my phone the whole.
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  Speaker 2: Time you were skating and typing, feeling it too, feeling
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  Speaker 2: it You didn't fall?
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm way more played in it. I've
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  Speaker 1: been through that already. I spent my time on the
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  Speaker 1: hardwood like the rest of us.
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  Speaker 2: Can you do the like a the crossover move?
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  Speaker 3: Yep?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my big move at the skating rink.
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't do shit, but across the other foot, I'll
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  Speaker 2: be aul dramatic about it, like I'm doing something.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, skating backwards, are still fall or I could still fall?
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  Speaker 2: But nah, I can't do no skating backwards. I don't
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  Speaker 2: even I haven't been roller skating in quite some time.
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: Ice skating is tough, though it messes up my ankles
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: are too skinny. Not for me, not for me. We
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  Speaker 2: always have really interesting conversations about society and politics. I obviously,
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  Speaker 2: like most people, am super exhausted with watching people burn
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  Speaker 2: the world to the ground. Yeah, save save How are
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  Speaker 2: you handling all the barrage of news every day?
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  Speaker 3: You know?
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  Speaker 1: I expected it, right, I expected it when honestly, either
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  Speaker 1: candidate that was just in this last race, whoever would
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  Speaker 1: have won. I expected it, But this year, we was
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  Speaker 1: kind of barreling into this. Regardless, I think our current
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  Speaker 1: president is clearly amplified that put us on the fast
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  Speaker 1: track to what I felt like was coming anyway, But
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: here it go.
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  Speaker 2: You felt like the collapse of the empire was coming.
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  Speaker 3: I prayed for it. Actually I didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Prayed on our downfall. Why do you think that it
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  Speaker 2: needs to fall?
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  Speaker 1: I'm an ar kiss in that way. I'm from Oakland, California.
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  Speaker 1: I really believe on setting shit on fire, then you know,
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  Speaker 1: sweeping the ashes off. And at this point, especially with
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  Speaker 1: all that has been revealed, for the politicians in our government,
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  Speaker 1: the whole cabinet, everybody is a compromise like Zionist supporter.
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  Speaker 1: All these things keep getting deleted and everybody I had
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  Speaker 1: to stop.
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  Speaker 3: Talking about this.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe like last year, I was losing deals and shit,
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  Speaker 1: everybody was like, no, that's anti semitic. I'm happy that
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: the Internet is caught up to that knowledge. But clearly
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: with the release, with the renag of the Epstein fucking
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  Speaker 1: crist shit, it's like, bro, they could really they really
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  Speaker 1: think that everybody in this country is dumb as fuck.
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  Speaker 2: Well, a lot of people in this country are dumb
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  Speaker 2: as fuck up a lot. I think more are dumb
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  Speaker 2: as fuck than are not.
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  Speaker 3: Dumb as fuck. I'd agree, I think more.
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  Speaker 2: We have more dumb fucks than we've ever had because
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that it's just a matter of access
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  Speaker 2: to information or education. There are brilliant people who do
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  Speaker 2: not have high levels of education or experience that are
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  Speaker 2: just born gifted, that can figure things out, build things,
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  Speaker 2: create things, run things. It is a chosen stupidity, is
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  Speaker 2: a chosen ignorance that I think so many people are
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  Speaker 2: operating with. And as an intellectual, it's exhausting because I
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  Speaker 2: know how much I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a privilege to know what I do know,
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  Speaker 2: but I know how much I don't know, And I
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  Speaker 2: don't think it is cool, like cute to talk about
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  Speaker 2: things I don't know anything about.
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  Speaker 1: It's like an addiction for people, especially because they get
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  Speaker 1: so many people to support them wrong or right. It's
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  Speaker 1: that's really it's more than like ease of access or
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: you know, the air of information. It's really the area
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  Speaker 1: like baby cults, influencers have come to the point where
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  Speaker 1: you can really like control somebody's whole day from everything
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  Speaker 1: you recommend to how they sleep. I think that there's
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  Speaker 1: a moral line that needs to be drawn eventually when
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: all this shit is said and done.
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  Speaker 3: About who really gets to talk about what?
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  Speaker 1: Because it's too much power right now, or it'll get
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  Speaker 1: too much right now. As a person who wants to
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  Speaker 1: see it burn, some of those people still need the
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  Speaker 1: power because they got to burn it down. I'm saying
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  Speaker 1: they got to burn it down, but then't after that,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna have to have some checks and balance and around
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  Speaker 1: his mother.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there used to be gate keeping, but of course,
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  Speaker 2: like anything, they abuse the gatekeeping. So it could only
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  Speaker 2: be certain demographics of people that had access to this
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: level of education and these kind of resources. And so
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  Speaker 2: therefore those people were the only ones that got hired
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  Speaker 2: to work in media. They were the only ones that
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: got put in positions to be doctors. They're the only
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: ones that put in position to be politicians. So there
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  Speaker 2: was now they weren't necessarily unqualified, but they were still
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  Speaker 2: selected because of who and what they were. So there
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  Speaker 2: was there was this level of gatekeeping that made sense,
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  Speaker 2: except for you weren't allowing other people into the space.
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  Speaker 2: So now the over correction is everybody can talk and
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  Speaker 2: it's like, no, you don't know what the fuck you're
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  Speaker 2: talking about. And if your provision to society is to
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  Speaker 2: just talk about how you feel or whatever, like cool.
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  Speaker 2: My issue is people showing up as subject matter experts
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  Speaker 2: on shit they don't know nothing the fuck about. And
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: it's very obvious from the start, but I think there
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: is because we have devalued. We've devalued experts so much
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  Speaker 2: that now if somebody says something that you like to hear,
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  Speaker 2: you just put them on a pedestal.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's remnant of like clickbait culture. You know
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  Speaker 1: how some people just believe whatever big bold black text
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  Speaker 1: is over topped the meme subconsciously. Now that has rolled
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  Speaker 1: over into favorite on the internet with downloading information and
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: processing that, Like people really just plan and choose your
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  Speaker 1: own truth.
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  Speaker 3: Live in our face.
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  Speaker 2: If you when everything burns to the ground because it's inevitable,
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  Speaker 2: what would be the first thing that.
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  Speaker 1: You do, Man, try to salvage whatever I feel like
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  Speaker 1: could have worked or was working from the ashes and
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: let the wind blow away the rest.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Do you think that AI is as problematic as everyone?
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I think I think if you really got a problem
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: with AI on it from a creative standpoint. When to
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: come of business information and the government, we always should
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: be I'm always going to be leaning towards giving them
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: less power. Yeah, less god level actions to conduct secretly
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: or lie or it's about but creative.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: If you are creative, you scare the AI.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Then unfortunately for you, technology has passed up the years
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: that you dedicated to whever that specific trade is that
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: you feel so endangered in. You should be now using
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: this as a tool to empower whatever it is. And
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: if you can't learn something else, my boy, I'm tired
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: of people. I got a million ways to incorporate it
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: in the workflow. As somebody who draws everything from scratch,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: sketch everything from scratch, I've been drawing my whole life.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: I could find a way to use that to empower
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: the workflow and not take away from real art.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Like I'm not.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Everybody got a chat GPT flyer up right now. I
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: know the exact style, the exact art, the filter, the
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: little brown shitty thing is going to put on that.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I'd be even telling people if you had chat GPT
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: designed something, you like it so much, send it to me,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: I'll redraw it for you. Put it in an illustrator,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: change it to your company colors, and you can have
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: a real graphic asset.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: People ain't even doing that.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: They're like, don't send me no AI, slop bully, you
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: don't want no bread.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: All this puris shit.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: I would love to hear how like an aol peuris
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: felt about Wi Fi when that shit came out, you.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Know, like a dial up, like it's over, Like come on.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: You think Blockbuster was really fucking with the Netflix boxes.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: When you come across something that's so so dynamic, with
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: so much power and it is changing the field, you
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: gotta roll with the punches.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: That's how I feel. I agree.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think as far as like the government
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: and all that stuff, I'm with you, like they shouldn't
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: be able to control everything anyway. But when it comes
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: to being creative. I was just having this conversation who
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: was I talking to, I don't know, somebody the other
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: day about how you know how dangerous AI is, and
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, but I I think if you
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: spend time with it and study how you can master
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: it and how you can make yourself more efficient, then
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: you'll always have a job, like even in the creative space.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: But I also fundamentally believe, because you know, I'd be
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: paying attention to young people that as much as we
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: get more and more technologically advanced and rely more on technology,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: people in the contrast, are craving more authentic things.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: We're craving more individual art.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: We're craving more things we can touch and feel and
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: that really feel like true creativity and connection. So they
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: were talking about, like, you know, creating an AI like show.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, but who I'm not watching an AI
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: show like. I'm not watching that no matter how good
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: I don't want to watch that.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: I want to watch person talk to me like, I
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: don't have that level of disconnection to the planet. And
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: I know some people do, but I don't think enough
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: to yet. Maybe I'm delusional.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know there are certain situations right now
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: that are happening in Asia.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: These like virtual creators have.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Millions of followers and subscribers for like AI things, but
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: it hasn't rolled over into the greater world yet. I
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: will say that those that's what people why people shouldn't
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: be scared AI cannot I follow this dude. I think
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: his name is koy Son koy s Un. He is
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: an Asian American sign painter. I love his work, really
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: details stuff. He makes great content. No matter what I
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: type into any image generator, I won't get what he's
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: able to do physically ever, that type of work. Nowaday,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: he had to make content and put his shit out
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: there to get known. In like two years, he's finna
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: be one of the most coveted people because everybody can
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: do the cheap one. Everybody can do the slop We
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: got to make it through the slop air for then
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: we I feel like we can have a craftsman renaissance almost,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I agree that it'll be a demand
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: for those type of people.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: I agree. I agree. I I don't have the fear
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: of change and so much that everything has a dark
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: side to it and there's no way to get around that.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Specifically when it comes to technology. Yeah, I mean, the
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Internet has created unbelievable opportunities for us to connect, to
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: create things, to make money, to sell whares like, create
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: and announce movements, all kinds of things, and it's also
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: a desperately dark place at the same time, and there's
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: no way to regulate that out of it, Like they
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: can try to shut things, but it's too far gone.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you take the good with the bad with.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: That, and it's already so many powerful tools that are
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: open source. So this code, the access to this power,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: even in this early stages, is already public. This is
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: going to snowball into something that we can't control, regardless regulations.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: It's already They already didn't put the current models that
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: you can find on it's do You could download it
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: on GitHub right now, put it on yours and build
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: off of it.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: Anybody can do that.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's over with. It's too late.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: It's too late.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Speaking of the dark side of the Internet, do you
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: believe in the male loneliness epidemic?
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do believe in the loneliness epidemic. But I
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: don't really feel sorry for a lot of them niggas though,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: But I do believe it's a thing.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know where.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: I really think the influence of the weird influencers like
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: DJ academics Andrew Tate all, like the the people who
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: empowered in cels to hate women, that shit has rolled over.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Like when I was in high school, there would be
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: this is before it's a great shift like we used to.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Everybody remembers when niggas would bully the dark skinned kids
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: in high school. In middle school, niggas was calling them
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: African Buddhist gratchers. Now it's the whole shift, and you
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: watch Love Island all the top bitches on their chocolate
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: and pretty as hell and everybody empowering it. And then
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: I've even watched them on Twitter like y'all act like
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah. I'm like, wow, But then when you
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: talk to the when you see the dudes in the
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: comments from popular counts, it's all negativity. So I'm like,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: what has shifted to where media is now boosting these
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: silhouettes but men are still tearing them down like it's
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: the high school shit kind of got perpetuated somehow because
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: of the Internet. Like I'm literally trying to wrap my
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: mind around this expression into you, But these.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: Are major factors where I feel like we have so.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Many communities of niggas who just isolating theyselves from actually
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: getting some coucie and touching some grass. I really don't
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: understand how they felt like this was cool. I would
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: never I like, if Andrew Tate walked past me at Tomorrow,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I think he sailed cologne. How did people start worshiping
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: these weird ass, corny ass niggas like that, and they
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: set the standard.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: That's who the kids got to grow up and watch.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: And then.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: It ain't like when they have black influencers like Speed
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: or car right, all the speed Pattners, all the katterness,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: they all got hosts. You only see the two most
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: important dudes being the most politically correct. But we don't
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: even have nobody to lean on people and really start
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: giving advice on how to move like a gentleman.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: You know. It's just like, oh, I'm the start of this.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: This is a thing. Look at these spectacles like nobody.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: There's no representation for just al a cool male figure.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Like who do they really got to look up to
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: that has the platform that we're talking about people podcasts
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: or popular influencers, Like who do they have other than
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: these dudes who only promote the smallest dick mindset I
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: have ever seen in my life.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. Who do you have to
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: look up to? Because a lot of young men are
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: definitely struggling with connectivity and I think that you know,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: I'm a bit older, so I grew up before the Internet,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: and yeah, like there was bullying. There was teasing and
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: all that, but you everyone got it and it was
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: in person. And then you still went outside like you
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: still went and made friends. You found your own community,
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: but you found your own community of people, not people
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: on the internet who you didn't actually ever know or
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: see or talk to. And I think that the shift
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: really for those men is that, on top of feeling
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: like they can't get anyone, the women that they believe
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: they should get would never talk to them in any
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: version of society. They were never they were never for them.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: So it's like there's this constant barrage of beautiful women
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: that they feel like they have access too. They're seeing
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: women from all over the world, and these women are
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: projecting this idea that they're living these amazing, lavish lives
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: that these men cannot or boys cannot provide, and so
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: they feel bad about themselves. So they try to find
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: a place where someone tells them that the reason they
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: feel bad about themselves is because of these bitches and
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: not because they won't go outside and touch grass.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: I just figured out it's white people fault. Well, yeah,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: it's white people fault. I mean, yes, black people leave
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: the world. Today's kids do whatever the black youth does.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: The black home was already broken up generationally by white people.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: It forced black women and then hyper excel in academics.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Black men have then failed because of all the systematic
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: things behind that. So then we have this whole separation
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: because we got these hyper achieving black women, super successful
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: black women, and then those who are not but still
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: be able to be that type of pretty or lid
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: at lifestyle combined with the Internet, and then nobody's fucking
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: with niggas, and then that rolls over to the rest
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: of the youth.
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: It's white people fault. I mean, I don't disagree. It
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: usually is. Damn it usually is.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: When you think about it. Most of these in cells
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: are young white men, and they're broken and they're easier
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: to manipulate, and then the alt right finds them and
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: pumps through the algorithm more and more of this propaganda,
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: in this rhetoric that it's women having rights, it's the
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: crazy liberals, it's gay people, it's black women, it's black
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: men that look better than you and have more money
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: than you, and they're athletes and they talk too much
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: and all of that. So yeah, and then they won
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: the election, so you're actually right, I.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Wonder what it would be like in the world if
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: white people just when like a solid maybe just two weeks,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: fourteen days, and didn't didn't ask about.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Nobody else mind business.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like what what if white people took all that
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: business that they got and and minded it just for
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: two weeks, two weeks of don't think about that immigrants,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: don't think about abortion, abortion, don't even think about yeah,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: you know, just only think about white people business for
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: two weeks.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: Just try it out, y'all. See how you like it.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Never know, you might want to stay there. You might
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: be like, man, we've been all this business. We could
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: have been minded this shit. It's so just try it out.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: I know it might be hard.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: It's a big ask to only care about yourself, but
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: please be a little Just try to be selfish for once.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Y'are always caring about everybody else, and you see the
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: rest of the world.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: Hey when you care, so stop paring. Stay out of
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: our business.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: That's not gonna happen.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: I know it's not. But they are generations American dream, right,
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: I can only dream, you can only dream.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: They're generationally nosy. Yeah, but I will say now that
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: the world is kind of separated off from the well,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: the rest of America has figured out that the rest
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: of the world, even the I call them the ancestral whites,
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: are not trying to come here. They're not bothering with us. Yeah,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: they're fine there. And the more you travel, the more
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: you realize there's so many places as you can live
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: and have wonderful lives. And the pitch for this country
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: is that there's nowhere else to go.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: And that's kind.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Of the pain for me is trying to explain to people,
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: even the people that are close to me that don't
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: don't see the rest of the world. And I understand
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: it's the privilege to travel, but I think you can
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: just like leave your neighborhood and like see how other
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: people live and then appreciate the ship that you have
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: and what you do. And that's like, that's the fundamental
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: of mind in your business is understanding other people have
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: their business and you have your business, and yours business
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: is yours.
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: To mind, it's a lot of it too, like usually
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: be hell a business. White people have a lot of business,
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: a turn of it, most of it, I'd say, statistically,
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: there's a lot to mind. What is uh, what is
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: one solve you would have for the Internet, like if
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: you could, if you could change something on the Internet
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: like mine would be Mine would be that if you
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: are going to comment on social media, you have to
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: have your full name and address.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: I was going a little similar but a little bit
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: more targeted. I just we need to unplug, unplug a
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: decent part of India from the Internet for like a
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: week and see what happens.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: So you just want just unplugged them really everything people?
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Nah, we just need to see how many accounts really
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: don't exist anymore?
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Theot farms.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Oh we go do China after all right, let's see
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: who's still tweeting, who's still posting on the ground, because
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: we know it's not nobody from over there. All right,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: plug them back in?
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Okay? Who started back up? All right?
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Got y'all?
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: That's what I do with the Internet. I just start
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: to cut niggas water off, like hold on the fuck
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: y'all doing?
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: So many bots, there's so much fake ship.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's so like we really fin enter the era
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: of slot. I can go. I could use Google vieo,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: hey lou o, any video generator right now for free
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: for most of the day and make you eat chips
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: you ain't. The flavors aren't even real. Got you pulling
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: out of mysterious Dorito bags right now, craziest Doritos you've
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: ever seen. I make you pull a Kiden out of
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Dorito bag? Joy, How you put it? How you get
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: it in there?
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: You didn't?
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: The air of slop is so real though.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. And you know what's so crazy about the
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: AI video shit too. I just said this yesterday with
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: my brother. People got the chance to do anything, Like
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: I said, you can make anything. And the first shit
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: that started going viral is people from different races making
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: racist videos about people from other races.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: That's all we see is like.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: I'm Shana Cuisha Cravrion Christ and these are my twelve
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Nigga disciples, just like pure racist things.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: It's like Indian woes, Chinese woes.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: That's what people did the first time they got their
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: hands off some power.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: That's what the fuck society is on right now.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: You know, I was saying it on the way over here.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: I just think like, wow, how how strange it is?
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Like when you really think about racism, particularly in this country,
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: like how weird it is that you wake up and
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: you think that you are literally superior to another person
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: because of your race and where you were born.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: That is so crazy to me.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: I think I'm superior because I actually am, because I
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: have worked my entire life to be superior, not because
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: I rolled out of bed in a certain state with
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: white skin. Like what who even came up with this concept?
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Like and your white knuckle to it so hard that
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: you're willing to destroy an entire empire? It is so
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: funneling to me and asking someone to explain why you
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: white person, white male, you are you are fundamentally better
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: than the next person who is not you?
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: Why you know?
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: I think right now it may have shifted before. It
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: may have been an insecurity and a grab for power,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: but now it's they need to survive for sure, because
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: they're leaving them a right, So it's about seems like
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: survival to me. You know, you ever get some turtles
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: from Santilli as a kid, You know how they used
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: to sell turtles in the little thing you get it
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: for like twenty.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: Them for like thirty dollars, Right, it was crazy that
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: by the.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Time you go home with the turtles, like four of
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: them left yep, and then the turtles started acting frantic.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Now I hate the other turtles somehow, and you ain't
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: never even seen turtles fight up until then. That's white
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: people right now.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, if you didn't have that turtle experience.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: It's gonna be a tough It's gonna be real tough.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: That's anology for you. But you had to have done
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: the turtle thing.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is I'm against that now. That was animal cruelty.
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  Speaker 1: But we of course didn't know that.
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  Speaker 2: We did not We didn't know everything.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: Ten year old kids.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: How do you think all this, uh this, what is it?
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: The era of slop that what we're calling it. How
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: do you think that affects music?
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: You know, it's harder to get.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: It.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Don't affect real music because real musicians, if they ever
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: did use a you really wouldn't know.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: But not even a I just like the copying, just
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: the kind of vanilla, the lack of creativity, the sound.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: You know, every era has a sound to it, but
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: you know, the static of it.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think music is already leaning more towards that,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: back to the art, back to the craftsman, back to
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: the original talent display more so than it is the
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: step and repeat, copy and paste type thing that's been
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: going on for a while. I think all of that
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: is done. I can't give to you the honest next
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: steps because I don't know, but I know the music
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: that I see people making is absolutely of the highest
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: caliber right now versus what they may have even been
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: trying to make last year or the year before that.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: The attention back to creativity and instrumentation has shifted musicality
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: in general. People are trying to pay attention to the details,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: and there's an obvious want for it. Especially after the
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Kendrick thing. You could see it right now happen in
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Live with the clips and their rollout. People are begging
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: for a lot more substance. So I'm excited about that.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: That's good.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: I'm glad to hear that. I think Kendrick that was
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: a big moment for that you're seeing it. I think
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: in movies as well, sinners like a more original concepts,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: more going back to, like you said, musicality, instruments live,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: the feeling of spontaneity, the jazz of it all, if
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: you will. I think that's important because, especially with everything
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: that's happening right now, art always preserves history. In a
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: very specific way that you know, they're trying to erase
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: history in a lot of different spaces. Of course, the
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Internet exists, so I don't know why they're even trying this,
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: but good luck, I guess I don't know, Like do
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: you control in nor Way? Is internet like what bigg
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: we just send the books there. It's it is weird.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: I think it's it's weird that they're getting they're trying
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: to erase history when like it's one hundred percent preserved
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: on the Internet. But that aside, art through every era has,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: whether it's through music, movies, paintings, writings, preserves the energy
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: and the feeling of the era. And what's what kind
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: of scares me about art right now, which is why
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: I'm glad to hear that and I'm glad to see
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: things that are like truly creative, is because this is
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: a time the era of slop, where things are super
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: watered down. There's bots, there's ai, everything is filter, everything
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: is like is this real? You got to make sure
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: that your mom knows that the lizard crawling on the
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: you know, Eiffel Tower is not happening.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: I'm like that baby in Puerto Rico did not see
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: an a wing, the angel Grandma, that's not real. That's
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: not real. The baby got eight fingers, it's not really.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: AI has got to work on their hands.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: No, I mean it's there's some fixes. Now, there are
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: some fixes. It's catching up. It's catching guys.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: It's good the original AI answer.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's it's getting scary.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well yeah, so the art thing to me is important,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: like as an artist, I think it will be important
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: years from now. How we how we captured this time?
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, I'm excited for it, though I can't
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: help but be optimistic. I'm excited for the government to collapse.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: I'm excited for art to be in the renaissance. These
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: are my dreams.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: They're solid dreams, squab there and they're gonna happen, hope.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: So a little.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Bit as I'm really excited for this movie him produced
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: by Jordan Peele. It comes out September nineteenth. Yeah, you're
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: dropping new music around the movie.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: I know you can't talk about the movie too much.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but just you know, snowballing off of what we
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: were talking about because it looks super creative and interesting.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: To me, is that the vibe we're gonna get from
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: the movie.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: It's directed by my boy, Justin Tipping, and he's also
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Brenda Bay and Filipino Mutt like your boy, so it's
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: cool to be working with him.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: Why they were shooting all all.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Of this art type stuff because just all the references
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: were paintings and Renaissance and that era of art, you know,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: real oil painting as situations.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: So it's going to be a beautiful film.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: I play a football player and I'm super close with
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: the main character.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: I can't wait for it.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we reunite and we we do some shenanigans.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, I don't want to make you say anymore.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: But I got music on the soundtrack and also in
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: the movie.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Amazing.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I got to work with the composer, this guy
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: named Bobby, and it was super dyke. I got to
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: flip some of the stems from the score and work
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: on that.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Was that your first time working on the score.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, and hopefully it won't be my last, because that
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: was probably the dopest thing, just to just sort through
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: the strengths and the arrangement. I was like I could
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: hear everything. I felt so in control, but it was tight.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: I had to be super secretive though, Like even my roommates,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: I didn't let them come in the stew. I was
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: in there chopping it up by myself.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean it's a it's a big movie,
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: and congratulations. That's really thank you. That's an incredible accomplishment
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: to do and a lot of responsibility.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was fun.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Like I said earlier, I'm the most creative when I
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: just feel the most free.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: I was. I could do whatever I want.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: I could send them in anything that I made, anything
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: and would work around it if they felt like it
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: was tight enough. And I feel like I'm naturally tight enough.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: So I just I sent them so many ideas and they.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: Actually picked shit.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: I was like, yes, it's just going great.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Well I love that. So we're gonna check out him
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: produced by Jordan Peele, that comes out September nineteenth, and
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: your new music coming out around the movie.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: The White do Rag Party is on.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: I'm super excited for that. I've been planning that shit
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: on the phone all day. I made a coloring book
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: for it. We're doing a coloring hour in the morning
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: for kids, then yoga but the single mothers. My little
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: brother always liked to do stuff for single moms on
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: all our activations, So we're gonna do yoga with single moms,
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  Speaker 1: and then I made a coloring book.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: We're gonna color with the kids.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: I got horse back riding and lessons with the Black
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Cowboys coming down, car show throughout the whole parking lot,
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  Speaker 1: and a big stage. I can't say keep the sneakiest performing,
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  Speaker 1: but we got like a whole band situation that I'm
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  Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean it had to your point, I
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  Speaker 2: think it was a scam from the beginning because where's
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  Speaker 1: The It's almost like they should have believed me when
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  Speaker 2: who is afraid to come out? So I would say
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: the first thing would be to spend some time online researching.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: I'm sure there's plenty of material online to help you
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: form a conversation, to help emotionally and mentally prepare yourself
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  Speaker 2: for it. If you do have a therapist, definitely talk
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: to your therapist about it first and make sure that
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: you you know, have a plan for how you want
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: to do it. If you have anxiety about coming out.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: I've had multiple friends come out to me over the years,
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: and each was a very different situation, but I know
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: it was an extremely emotional experience for them and was
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: something that they were very afraid to do, which is
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: very heartbreaking for me because obviously I completely accept them
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: in many cases new So outside of you know, making
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: sure that you do some research to help manage your
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: anxiety and ask the people that you feel safe with
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: about if they did it. If you have friends that
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: are in the community or you know, family members, but
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: the person that you want to come out to, make
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: sure that you know a safe space for the two
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: of you to talk. I wouldn't introduce alcohol or you know,
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: any kind of drugs. It would should be someplace where
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: you feel comfortable, where they feel comfortable, so that you're
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: able to have an honest conversation with them and it
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: be a safe space for you to talk. It can
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: be a very emotional experience and you know, having to
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: have really hard conversations, you can build up the anxiety
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: about how someone's going to react and they may not
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: react in that way at all. So if you have
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: a support system, if you're lucky enough to have a
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: support system, definitely lean on them. Definitely, you know, read
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: some stories online and watch some videos people who have
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: come out themselves, and if you have a therapist, talk
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: with them as well. And there's lots of resources online
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: for people to have conversations with you before you do it,
• 51:35
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• 51:39
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