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Ross Fulton Analysis: Jim Knowles Changing Things Up On Ohio State Defense · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 2: So today we're talking about the Ohio State defense, and
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  Speaker 2: the Ohio State defense has been on a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of a journey since the Oregon game. It felt like
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  Speaker 2: after that game, Ryan Day and Jim Knowles and pretty
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  Speaker 2: much everyone else in the building recognized, Okay, some things
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  Speaker 2: need to change, and they have kind of continued to
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  Speaker 2: make changes. Every week. You see some new stuff, you
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  Speaker 2: see some different stuff every week. Some of it works,
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  Speaker 2: some of it doesn't work as well. Today we're going
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  Speaker 2: to be breaking down at three different plays that kind
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  Speaker 2: of showcase all of that, and we're going to start with, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: it has finally happened. The jack has arrived at Ohio State.
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  Speaker 2: Did it work Eh, Maybe, but definitely a big change
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  Speaker 2: three down instead of four down on that defensive front
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  Speaker 2: and the long awaited arrival of the jack.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I would say as a general matter, since the Oregon game,
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  Speaker 3: Ohio State has used more disguise, right, They've used more
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  Speaker 3: variety both in the pass rush and a coverage, and
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  Speaker 3: they're doing a better job of match routes or carrying
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  Speaker 3: routes or you know, covering guys in the secondary in
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  Speaker 3: different coverages rather than sort of staying in spots right
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  Speaker 3: as spot chopping. So those are like the big three
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  Speaker 3: things as a general matter. Then yes, then we get
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  Speaker 3: to the third series of Purdue and they pull out
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  Speaker 3: the odd front with the jack. I joked that they
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  Speaker 3: it's sort of like a troll on everyone who's been
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  Speaker 3: focused on this for years that they were going they
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  Speaker 3: decided that we're going to run this and do it
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  Speaker 3: as simplistically and poorly as possible, as a you know,
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  Speaker 3: a joke on everyone.
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  Speaker 1: But they did, in fact do it as simply as possible.
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  Speaker 3: And so the reason I say that, so, like we
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  Speaker 3: can see this play right and on Mitchell Melton, who
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  Speaker 3: is in the jack roll. He starts out lined up
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  Speaker 3: between the guard and the tackle in the B gap.
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  Speaker 3: And part of the reason that Jimnals liked the use
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  Speaker 3: of this jack concept at Oklahoma State was that he
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  Speaker 3: could float this player around to cancel out inside gaps
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  Speaker 3: like this to change it up for the offense in
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  Speaker 3: terms of their blocking schemes, not knowing exactly who they're
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  Speaker 3: going to block pre snap. It also allowed them to
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  Speaker 3: cancel gaps to do you know, more of the three
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  Speaker 3: high stuff in the secondary. And so we do have
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  Speaker 3: an odd front here, right, so Kate McDonald's light up
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  Speaker 3: head over the nose, but then Mitchell Melton jumps outside.
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  Speaker 3: So this is the only way they used the jack
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  Speaker 3: on Saturday, So there was none of this sort of
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  Speaker 3: moving him around. They gave a hint of it, but
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  Speaker 3: he inevitably and then after he got hurt.
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  Speaker 1: CJ.
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  Speaker 3: Hicks at that role came outside and rushed wide off
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  Speaker 3: the D gap, and so that they this is just
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  Speaker 3: a simple split wide zone. The problem being that they
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  Speaker 3: continue to have is they were not fitting the gaps correctly,
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  Speaker 3: whether because of just jumping him outside the jack I mean,
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  Speaker 3: or just lack of familiarity with it. They you know,
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  Speaker 3: when I joke about the on the one hand, we're
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  Speaker 3: going to run. On the other hand, we're going to
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  Speaker 3: do it as poorly as possible. That's certainly contributed to
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  Speaker 3: by having a large group of backups in.
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  Speaker 1: Including CJ.
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  Speaker 3: Hicks here at will linebacker who you know, apparently himself
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  Speaker 3: postgame even he announced that he shouldn't be playing linebacker,
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  Speaker 3: uh since he said he should be an edge player.
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  Speaker 3: Uh so so we're they're playing him and will linebacker
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  Speaker 3: here inside zone. You can see like at the snap
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  Speaker 3: Hicks points to Cody Simon that the Titans blocking back
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  Speaker 3: and so that the linebacker should fall back. That's there's
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  Speaker 3: a couple of ways you can handle split zone action
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  Speaker 3: like this, right, because you're you're moving a blocker from
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  Speaker 3: one side to the other, and so that changes the gaps, right,
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  Speaker 3: it pushes them all back, and so one way to
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  Speaker 3: handle that is you have the linebackers each fall back
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  Speaker 3: at gap. The problem here is they don't seem to
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  Speaker 3: have all the gaps covered as a result of that,
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  Speaker 3: Like when you if you can watch it, you know
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  Speaker 3: Mitchell and has outside the tackle or the D gap,
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  Speaker 3: Kin Curry has outside the guard or the C gap.
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  Speaker 3: It seems like CJ. Hicks has the B gap then,
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  Speaker 3: but he falls back to play the A gap and
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  Speaker 3: Cody Simon falls back even more. But the problem is
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  Speaker 3: you now have they're running like a cover one. Here
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  Speaker 3: you can see like Latham Ransom roll back and Caleb
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  Speaker 3: downs is coming down to the weak side.
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  Speaker 1: So they now have four guys to the left of the.
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  Speaker 3: Center from behind the line of scrimmage, so to the
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  Speaker 3: defense is right, and only three guys to the right
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  Speaker 3: of the line of scrimmage. But there's four gaps over
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  Speaker 3: there and so see, yes CJ. Hicks catches the line
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  Speaker 3: the offensive guard four yards back off the line of scrimmage,
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  Speaker 3: but he is now seemingly responsible for both the B
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  Speaker 3: gap between the guard and the tackle and the A
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  Speaker 3: gap between the guard and the center because the Kate
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  Speaker 3: McDonald is playing to the backside from uh you know,
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  Speaker 3: he's not actually two gapping that, he's just playing the
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  Speaker 3: backside a gap.
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  Speaker 1: So this just continued to seem to happen.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't seem to have it fit very well, and
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  Speaker 3: this obviously contributed to some of the issues with it.
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  Speaker 1: Like it didn't help that, you know, one.
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  Speaker 3: Play, Cody Simon, you know, who is your starting middle linebacker, like,
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  Speaker 3: could have made the tackle in the hole.
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  Speaker 1: He missed the tackle. CJ.
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  Speaker 3: Hicks from the aforementioned edge came unblocked one time and
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  Speaker 3: missed the quarterback. So there were some execution issues as well.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, I don't think hopefully they don't, you know,
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  Speaker 3: throw it out and it doesn't seem like I didn't
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  Speaker 3: take Ryan Day's comments either postgame or after the game
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  Speaker 3: to or on Tuesday, I should say, to indicate that
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  Speaker 3: they would never use it again. As I said, they
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  Speaker 3: may have put it out there as simply as possible
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  Speaker 3: so that teams have a scheme for it going forward,
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  Speaker 3: and then maybe you do move the jackground to sort
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  Speaker 3: of plug some of those into your gaps in a
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  Speaker 3: game of greater magnitude.
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  Speaker 2: One of the other changes that we've seen somewhat consistently
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  Speaker 2: since that Oregon game is they're increasing the amount of
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  Speaker 2: pressure they're bringing in. It feels like they're increasing the
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  Speaker 2: different ways in which they're bringing that pressure. One of
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  Speaker 2: the things they did on Saturday against Purdue was this
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  Speaker 2: was a line stunt. This is Jack Stoyer kind of
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  Speaker 2: looping around and going inside. And this was the play
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  Speaker 2: that they talked about on the broadcast where Sunny Styles
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  Speaker 2: is the first guy through and his job is basically
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  Speaker 2: to block the offensive lineman, which is kind of a
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  Speaker 2: change of how you typically think of that dynamic. But
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  Speaker 2: he kind of blocked those linemen and opened a lane
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  Speaker 2: for Jack Sawyer on this one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this play captures both we're talking about more variety
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  Speaker 3: out of the defense as well as carrying routes more
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  Speaker 3: in the secondary. And so we've talked about this a
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  Speaker 3: few times post organ When they're they're obviously using more
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  Speaker 3: and different types of pressure. But as I said last week,
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  Speaker 3: I think they're also being more purposeful about it. So
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  Speaker 3: you're seeing a lot of this where you're basically using
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  Speaker 3: one rusher to essentially sacrifice himself to get picked up
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  Speaker 3: by an offensive lineman so that a teammate can come free.
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  Speaker 3: And so that's what you get here with both linebackers. Actually,
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  Speaker 3: so you get Sunny Styles is going to pick off
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  Speaker 3: the guard right or like engage, so that guard is
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  Speaker 3: accounting for him. Cody Simon's then going to pick off
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  Speaker 3: the tackle, and that allows Sawyer to loop around inside. Now,
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  Speaker 3: in theory they have a running back to that side,
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  Speaker 3: but obviously like that running backs expecting that he's going
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  Speaker 3: to pick up the linebacker blitzing, and so you've basically
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  Speaker 3: now they've produe has three blockers for two linebackers and
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  Speaker 3: Sawyer coming untouched. And again this is like, as we've
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  Speaker 3: talked about repeatedly, this is how you help create pressure.
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  Speaker 3: Like no one can just create pressure by just rushing
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  Speaker 3: four guys in the same spot. So that's exactly what
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  Speaker 3: Nick Saban was referring to as antiquated. And so you're
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  Speaker 3: seeing that go away and like obviously, like the focus
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  Speaker 3: here right is this is a man coverage, but even
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  Speaker 3: still you're dropping JT. Twomlow as the offense opposite defensive
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  Speaker 3: end out as sort of like an underneath player both
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  Speaker 3: as like you know, around the hole slash.
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  Speaker 1: They liked their.
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  Speaker 3: Doing this a lot too, to probably handle some of
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  Speaker 3: the quarterback scrambling issues where they have a defensive lineman
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  Speaker 3: who's sort of, I guess, floating around near the line
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  Speaker 3: of scrimmage for lack of a better word, to sort
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  Speaker 3: of spy the quarterback. Because the pressure schemes really like
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  Speaker 3: designed to get Sawyer free here, and so there's less
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  Speaker 3: concern about like just rushing for guys and more about
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  Speaker 3: like we're going to target a particular way. The other
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  Speaker 3: thing I want to point out here too is in
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  Speaker 3: the back end of the secondary, as I said, they're
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  Speaker 3: doing a much better job of matching routes and carrying routes.
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  Speaker 1: And that is even on cover one too.
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  Speaker 3: Like one of the things we've discussed post organ was
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  Speaker 3: the way Ohive State was playing man coverage. It was
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  Speaker 3: like I've got this guy no matter where he goes,
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  Speaker 3: and that created all sorts of problems like we've seen them,
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  Speaker 3: you know, with offensives using pick routes against them or
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  Speaker 3: offenses trading off so that puts a person in conflict
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  Speaker 3: so that they have to both defend that player as
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  Speaker 3: well as have a run gap.
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  Speaker 1: It fit.
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  Speaker 3: And so one thing I noticed on Saturday is even
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  Speaker 3: with a heavy amount of cover one they're playing against,
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  Speaker 3: like pretty basic, they were doing a nice job of
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  Speaker 3: trade off routes in the secondary. So like, you'll see
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  Speaker 3: this guy coming in this inside motion here and run
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  Speaker 3: a deep over route, and like the whole goal of
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  Speaker 3: that is to pick players, right, because in theory, he
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  Speaker 3: starts out as the wide defender or wide receiver you know,
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  Speaker 3: number one to the outside and which Jermaine Matthews here
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  Speaker 3: would be responsible for, and he then becomes the inside defender, right.
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  Speaker 3: So the first thing they do is, rather than try
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  Speaker 3: to have Matthews fight through the traffic, they trade off receivers.
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  Speaker 1: So now Caleb Downs has that.
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  Speaker 3: Deep over, but then they even go further than that,
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  Speaker 3: and once he crosses to the other side of the field,
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  Speaker 3: Jordan Hancock, who is the deep cover one safety here,
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  Speaker 3: picks him up and Downs falls back as the cover
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  Speaker 3: one safety. So saw this several times on Saturday, you know,
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  Speaker 3: trade off routes, and I think that goes to you know,
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  Speaker 3: Day kind of mentioned that like less concern about getting
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  Speaker 3: the perfect matchup, more.
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  Speaker 1: Concerned about it.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he's the term I think, like getting the
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  Speaker 3: cleats into the ground and being ready to play. And
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  Speaker 3: so I think that that's an example there, right, Like
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  Speaker 3: you're less worried about like, well, we've got our safety
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  Speaker 3: now on this receiver as opposed to our corner, and
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  Speaker 3: more like this matchup creates better leverage for us. We
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  Speaker 3: can trade routes off and we're in a better position
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  Speaker 3: to play.
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  Speaker 2: All right. And the third and final play we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: be talking about today seems like it's gonna be a
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  Speaker 2: very similar theme to the last one. You've got pressure,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna be talking about the the coverage on the
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  Speaker 2: back end. So let's just roll right into that one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, you know, I always enjoy talking about trap
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  Speaker 3: two when they run it. They ran it twice Saturday,
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  Speaker 3: this play that led led to a fourth down sack
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  Speaker 3: after the Edward Houston personal foul kept the drive alive
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  Speaker 3: at the first half, and then the second one was
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  Speaker 3: almost an interception. So both times again We've talked about
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  Speaker 3: this trap two concepts right where you're bringing pressure from
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  Speaker 3: the field.
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  Speaker 1: Here you have both Jordan.
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  Speaker 3: Hancock as a nickel and Cody Simon blitzing to the
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  Speaker 3: B and C gaps on each side of the guard right,
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  Speaker 3: so you're overloading one side with pressure and then you're
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  Speaker 3: playing you're dropping though to the other side.
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  Speaker 1: So JT.
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  Speaker 3: Twomloa again is dropping into the flat, so he's the
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  Speaker 3: cover two defender right, So you're playing a two deep
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  Speaker 3: four under Stille instead of a two deep five hunder,
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  Speaker 3: so you're still using his zone pressure.
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  Speaker 1: But what you do is the reason it's you know,
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  Speaker 1: trapped two.
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  Speaker 3: You have basically a whole player here in Latham Ransom,
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  Speaker 3: So like what looks like your other deep safety, he
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  Speaker 3: actually comes down to play to the side you're blitzing,
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  Speaker 3: and he's going to pick up this over route as
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  Speaker 3: like sort of the whole defender. So then you have
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  Speaker 3: the other deep cover two player actually becomes the cornerback
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  Speaker 3: of Davis and Abiginosen to that side, and as I said,
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  Speaker 3: like JT. T. Malow, so you're sort of rolling the
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  Speaker 3: coverage again with the concept that like quarterbacks like to
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  Speaker 3: often throw where to the side where the blitz is coming,
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  Speaker 3: thinking that they you know your down numbers, so that side,
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  Speaker 3: so you're trapping them into that. But the other thing
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  Speaker 3: I just want to point is, like you can notice here,
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  Speaker 3: like how much better Ohio State is matching routes. Again,
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  Speaker 3: I keep talking about that, so like even to the
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  Speaker 3: boundary side right like J. T. Tumolow, he's not just
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  Speaker 3: like sort of dropping into the flat and just standing
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  Speaker 3: there right, like he's actually covering that tight end running
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  Speaker 3: all the way to the flat there. Sunny Styles who
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  Speaker 3: is like the hook curl defender to that side. He
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  Speaker 3: is carrying vertically that corner route until if you know,
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  Speaker 3: some picks him up as a defaf safety there. Ranson obviously,
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  Speaker 3: like in this concept is picking up that over route.
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  Speaker 3: Caleb Downs is matching that deep dig. So I know
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  Speaker 3: this seems like a small thing, but there are countless times,
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  Speaker 3: like you and I discuss where you know, quarterbacks would
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  Speaker 3: eventually like hit a backside dig route against them, whether
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  Speaker 3: it be Iowa or whatever else. Because eventually, like when
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  Speaker 3: you're just sitting statically and coverage, guys can come open
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  Speaker 3: and it's just making a very large impact on making
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  Speaker 3: it difficult for quarterbacks, which is making them hold the
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  Speaker 3: ball longer, which is increasing the ability of these pressures
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  Speaker 3: to get home.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a pretty big sea.
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  Speaker 3: Change in terms of how they're handling whether both man
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  Speaker 3: coverage like we talked about the previous example, or zone
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  Speaker 3: coverage in terms of you know, using frankly like more
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  Speaker 3: man principles within zone coverage and then in man coverage
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  Speaker 3: using some of these zone principles to trade off receivers
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  Speaker 3: when they go out out of an area, or it
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  Speaker 3: just you have better leverage, you know, with the zone
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  Speaker 3: player picking them up and then someone rolling back.
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  Speaker 1: So that's just really helping them in the back end.
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  Speaker 2: All right, And so just a real quick look ahead
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  Speaker 2: to this weekend's game at Northwestern. It feels like we
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  Speaker 2: spent a lot of time talking about, Hey, they're playing
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  Speaker 2: at Wrigley Field, and not a ton about Northwestern. The
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  Speaker 2: Wildcats one hundred and fourth in FBI in offense this year,
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  Speaker 2: thirty seventh the defense. So I don't know if there's
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  Speaker 2: a side of the ball that is more interesting to
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  Speaker 2: talk about. Maybe it's maybe it's the Ohio State offense
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  Speaker 2: going up against but could be a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: a challenging defense. We've talked about a lot of the
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  Speaker 2: different stuff they've been doing, just even the stuff that
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  Speaker 2: we've just talked about this week on these two shows.
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  Speaker 2: Is there anything that you think you're going to see
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  Speaker 2: like further iteration or you're going to see more of
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  Speaker 2: this but not necessarily see you know, other stuff. What
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  Speaker 2: are you looking for on Saturday against the Wildcats?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think defensively to start there, i'd
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  Speaker 3: say probably more the same. I mean, obviously the big
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  Speaker 3: ramp up for the defense comes with Indiana, and you
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  Speaker 3: know the amount of RPOs that Indiana uses, right, and
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  Speaker 3: so you know, one thing Michigan had a success against
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  Speaker 3: Indiana in the second half using a lot of man
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  Speaker 3: coverage to cancel out RPOs. Like we've talked about that
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  Speaker 3: like in theory, right that if you cover everyone up,
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  Speaker 3: you can't you're not going to pull the ball. Obviously,
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  Speaker 3: that was I would say, Ohiosa's game plan against Oregon.
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  Speaker 3: The problems came then as we just discussed, you know,
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  Speaker 3: trading off receivers or someone who also have a run
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  Speaker 3: gap having to follow a receiver, and so you know,
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  Speaker 3: interesting to see if they continue down this path of
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  Speaker 3: it within man coverage, being able to better trade off receivers.
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  Speaker 1: To prepare for that RPO heavy.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I do think offensetively, you're just gonna get
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  Speaker 3: certainly a better challenge than presented.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: Yes, the the Brown or Northwestern is sort of that
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: they're often seeing Big ten team that has a really
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: poor offense and a pretty decent to good defense, and
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: so you know, I think that this is an opportunity
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: like to keep building, you know, I continue to say,
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: like obviously people are again focused on on Ohio State
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: being with throw the football vertically. I just would like
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: to see them, you know, come out with a strong start,
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: particularly in the run game, and you know, be able
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: to hopefully get the ball spread around early and often
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: and get get a Mecca booka in particular, like back
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: involved with the passing game.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: All right, well, we will see whether that happens on Saturday.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: It could be a fun day out at Wrigley Field
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: and be a really unique and fun kind of venue.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Should be a fun game to watch, even on TV,
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: I would think. And then once that's done, then you
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: back into the deep end of the pool next week
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: Indiana Michigan and then potentially a big ten championship game
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: and much more so, this will probably be probably the
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: last one that you go into the game thinking all
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: season long. Oh boy, well, they certainly have this one
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: well under control. Nothing could possibly go wrong. So enjoy
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: the last Saturday of a nice, easy, relaxing football before
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: we head back into the deep end of the pool
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: next week. So we'll have Ross back next week to
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: talk about what we saw against Northwestern and probably give
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: a little look ahead to that Indiana game. And of
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• 17:42
  Speaker 2: a reservation today. That will do it for today. Thank
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: you guys all for joining us every great day. We'll
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: talk to you tomorrow.