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Ohio State Football Insider: 5 Things We Learned While Talking To The Buckeye Defense · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to a very special live episode of Bucket Tomorrow
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  Speaker 1: Morning for Wednesday, December eighteenth.
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  Speaker 2: I'm your host, tom Or.
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  Speaker 3: The Tennessee game is in three days, the game against
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  Speaker 3: Michigan in three hundred.
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  Speaker 2: And forty six days.
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  Speaker 1: Spent the last hour or so talking to mostly the
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State defensive players and defensive coordinator Jim Knowles. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of that conversation was around tempo. Appropriately, this show
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  Speaker 1: is also going to be a tempo show because we're
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  Speaker 1: getting kicked out of here in about fifteen to twenty minutes,
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  Speaker 1: so we'll hustle through all of this. Joined by Tony
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  Speaker 1: Gerdermanfuck Aheadle dot Com. Tony, I think the first thing
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  Speaker 1: before we move on to all the Tennessee stuff we
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  Speaker 1: want to talk about. I did want to talk very
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  Speaker 1: briefly about Jim Knowles's reaction to the Michigan game because
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  Speaker 1: he used the exact same three word quote that we've
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  Speaker 1: heard previously from min Ohio State defensive coordinator after a
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  Speaker 1: Michigan game, but it had a very different message those
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  Speaker 1: three words, Tony, did we win right?
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  Speaker 4: Because the question post was Jenna any frustration when the
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  Speaker 4: miss High State defense plays well enough to win against
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  Speaker 4: Michigan on the offense doesn't get it done, and Knowle's like, stopped,
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure, like did we win? The if you don't,
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  Speaker 4: you didn't play well enough, and if you gave up points,
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  Speaker 4: you didn't play well enough. And it was very, very
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  Speaker 4: was that the twenty thirteen Michigan.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty thirteen Michigan game, Luke Fickle came out of ohioseate
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  Speaker 1: one forty two, forty one, I think, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: there were some questions about, hey, you gave up forty
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  Speaker 1: one points to a not particularly good Michigan team, and
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  Speaker 1: did we win And the answer at that point was yes.
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  Speaker 1: The answer the following week against Michigan State was no,
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  Speaker 1: in fact, because your safety plays rather poor, as it
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  Speaker 1: turns out. So now in this case, Jim Knowles kind
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  Speaker 1: of the opposite side of the point. They played great,
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  Speaker 1: They gave up ten points of Michigan's came on drives
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  Speaker 1: of three and two yards, so not really on the defense.
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  Speaker 3: But Jim Knowles, you know, did the very diplomatic.
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  Speaker 1: Approach because, as he said, you know, earlier in the
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  Speaker 1: year they had a game at Oregon where everyone was
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  Speaker 1: pointing fingers to the defense and the offense. Kind of
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  Speaker 1: the offense very easily could have said we did our
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  Speaker 1: part opposite situation with Michigan game. All right, that's probably
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  Speaker 1: enough Michigan talk for the Ohio State fan base. Let's
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  Speaker 1: talk a little bit about tempo. Tennessee obviously loves to
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  Speaker 1: use tempo in their games, in their offense get the
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  Speaker 1: opposing defense off balance. Fortunately, Jim Knowles, you've heard of
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  Speaker 1: the fastest drawing the West. He's to hit the goal
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  Speaker 1: to be the fastest play calling defense in the country.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and he said that started with David Kutcliffe at
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  Speaker 4: Duke twelve fourteen years ago. It kind of reminded me
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  Speaker 4: of when Jim Tressel in the two thousand going to
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  Speaker 4: be the twenty ten Rose Ball was asked, Hey, how
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  Speaker 4: are you going to deal with this up tempo Chip
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  Speaker 4: Kelly Oregon offense, and Jim Trestle said, well, we've got
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  Speaker 4: an up tempo defense. And when David Kutcliffe put Jim
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  Speaker 4: Knowles on the scene in the twenty twelve whatever it
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  Speaker 4: was ten Duke defense, He's like, we want to be
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  Speaker 4: calling these plays as fast as possible because that was
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  Speaker 4: the style at the time time was getting the offenses
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  Speaker 4: no onions on.
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  Speaker 2: The belt, no onons on the belts, call.
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  Speaker 4: The plays fast, and then that has continued to carry
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  Speaker 4: over and he said they still have the fastest play
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  Speaker 4: calling defense.
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  Speaker 2: In the nation.
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  Speaker 1: Tennessee, he may have one of the faster running backs
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  Speaker 1: in the nation. Dylan Samson set a bunch of Tennessee
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  Speaker 1: records and led the SEC in a bunch of categories.
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  Speaker 3: Is sure.
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  Speaker 1: I think he had thirteen categories where he ranked first
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  Speaker 1: in the SEC. And he's someone who presents a unique
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  Speaker 1: challenge to this Ohio State defense because he's you know,
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  Speaker 1: Sonny styles.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was talked about, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, yeah, you get the speed, and yeah, you've got
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  Speaker 1: the push and the strength, but the.
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  Speaker 3: Patience that he has really sets him apart.
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  Speaker 4: And everybody that was asked about Dylan Sampson mentioned patients
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  Speaker 4: and it's it's just a funny thing. You've got this
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  Speaker 4: uptempo thing that you're running, you running, you running, and
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  Speaker 4: then you're talking about the running back who is at
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  Speaker 4: the head of it. Is like he's just a really
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  Speaker 4: patient guy, waits for the crease, finds it and then
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  Speaker 4: can go and he as we've watched these four games
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  Speaker 4: over the course of the season, he's okay getting four
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  Speaker 4: yards and then you know, falling forward for a fifth,
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  Speaker 4: Like he's he's not gonna I'm gonna spin out and
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  Speaker 4: try to make something happen. He's like, I'm gonna get
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  Speaker 4: what I can get, and if there's something else there,
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna do it. But like he's very patient. If
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  Speaker 4: there's nothing there, he'll just go and you know, try
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  Speaker 4: to get whatever he can two yards or whatever and
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  Speaker 4: keep them ahead of things. And he's got a really
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  Speaker 4: good knack of finding the right place to be in
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  Speaker 4: the right place to go. And we've seen it all
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  Speaker 4: the time. It's like it doesn't always look special, but
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  Speaker 4: it's just productive. And to me, that's the epitome of
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  Speaker 4: patients of us.
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  Speaker 1: It's so interesting that Tennessee is such a tempo offense
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  Speaker 1: and then you're talking about patients. It's like the it's
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  Speaker 1: sort of an offshoot of the old hurry up and wait,
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  Speaker 1: which normally is a negative thing because you're being told
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  Speaker 1: to be somewhere and then you stand around a bunch.
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  Speaker 1: This is hurry up, which is brackets complementary and also
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  Speaker 1: weight brackets also complimentary, So kind of an interesting combination there.
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  Speaker 1: You talked about not trying to do too much with
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  Speaker 1: Dylan san s Nico iyam Alaiava, the quarterback sometimes does
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  Speaker 1: try to do too much, and it's okay because sometimes
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  Speaker 1: it works. Because he has a very very big, very
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  Speaker 1: very quick, long strider in the open field, also an
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  Speaker 1: incredibly strong arm.
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  Speaker 3: He presents a bunch of different challenges to the Buckeyes.
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  Speaker 4: Well, and as Jim Knowles said, he's he can make
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  Speaker 4: all of those things. They have those wide splits and
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  Speaker 4: the receivers that we've talked about for weeks now where
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  Speaker 4: they're out past the numbers, they're to the numbers. So
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  Speaker 4: you have to have a quarterback that can throw from
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  Speaker 4: the hash to the numbers like that, and they've got one.
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  Speaker 4: But one of the last things Jimil said about it
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  Speaker 4: is like he's faster than people think, and if you
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  Speaker 4: don't prepare for that, if you don't expect that, then
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  Speaker 4: he's going to have the angle and he's going to
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  Speaker 4: get around you. So he is tough to bring down.
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  Speaker 4: He keeps plays alive, he is looking downfield almost constantly,
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  Speaker 4: and the one one of the constants that we've seen
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  Speaker 4: with him is you can't hit him and he will
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  Speaker 4: take some shots and he does not slide, so there'll
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  Speaker 4: be opportunities plainly to maybe make him rethink something.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's someone who is a really exciting player and
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  Speaker 1: a really nerve wracking player for both teams because he
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  Speaker 1: gets out of the pocket and it's you know you.
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  Speaker 1: He might run for thirty yards. We saw him run
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  Speaker 1: for forty or fifty yards at one point. He also
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  Speaker 1: might run around and have a receiver downfield and goh,
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  Speaker 1: I can probably fit it in there.
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  Speaker 2: And the answer is, sometimes you can and sometimes you can't.
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  Speaker 2: He is he has.
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  Speaker 1: We have seen him make some very poor decisions. It's
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  Speaker 1: just not someone who throws the ball away a lot,
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  Speaker 1: which means good news. It's going to be exciting. Which
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  Speaker 1: team isn't going to be good news for? Well, we'll
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  Speaker 1: wait when the football lands and or a defender contacts him.
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  Speaker 1: Is it is a show? I am really excited to
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  Speaker 1: see him in person. I asked Sonny Styles about him
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  Speaker 1: and just the challenge of defending him. He go, Iamaliava
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  Speaker 1: just showing off. Now, it's fine. I don't know why
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  Speaker 1: you keep bringing it up. He when he's scrambling out there,
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  Speaker 1: you've got to be so disciplined in your rush lanes
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  Speaker 1: because I feel like deal has to pass. Brush is
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  Speaker 1: going to be able to get pressure. But if Ianmalaiava
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  Speaker 1: is able to get out of there, then you're in
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  Speaker 1: the open field. And we'll talk about the wide splits
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  Speaker 1: and a little more and some of the challenges those
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  Speaker 1: percent But if he's able to get out of there
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  Speaker 1: a little bit and get into the open field, whether
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  Speaker 1: it's scrambling to buy time to throw the ball downfield,
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  Speaker 1: which he has a very strong arm, but also you know,
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  Speaker 1: just being able to run. I asked Sonny about this,
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  Speaker 1: and this is a this is an AI generated transcript,
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  Speaker 1: so it's probably mostly accurate.
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  Speaker 2: This is not a verbatim quote, but it's going to
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  Speaker 2: be very good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it takes all eleven starts with the
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  Speaker 1: rush line lanes, like you said, everyone being in the
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  Speaker 1: rush lanes where they're supposed to be. And then if
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  Speaker 1: he does happen to get out because he's a great
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  Speaker 1: athlete and obviously you gonna have a chance to make
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  Speaker 1: some great plays, you got to be able to hang on,
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  Speaker 1: hang in there whoever you're on, stay on them, be
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  Speaker 1: disciplined in your coverage because again he's buying time.
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  Speaker 2: You may have to cover for four or five.
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  Speaker 1: Seconds, which is not a normal thing, but I mean
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  Speaker 1: it sucks for a defense when you feel like you
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  Speaker 1: got everyone covered and he just gets out of the
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  Speaker 1: pocket runs for twenty yards. That's like dang, it sucks
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  Speaker 1: for a defense. That's difficult to work with. So we're
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  Speaker 1: obviously going to have to have a plan for that
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  Speaker 1: and be able to counteract that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's he is a unique.
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  Speaker 3: Talent and he presents some unique challenges.
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  Speaker 4: There's a lot of him to hit. He's six six,
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  Speaker 4: he's about two hundred and fifteen pounds. I think when
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  Speaker 4: they do blitz them wrap him up and at least
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  Speaker 4: slow him down a little bit and change some things up.
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  Speaker 4: But if you if you rush and you miss him,
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  Speaker 4: and now he's out of the pocket and you're down
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  Speaker 4: a defender, it's going to create some issues. And then
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  Speaker 4: you're going to have defenders that are in conflict like
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  Speaker 4: do I come off with my guy and come help
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  Speaker 4: out or because if you do that, then boom, You've
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  Speaker 4: left your guy open. So if you have an opportunity
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  Speaker 4: when they do blitz him, and they have an opportunity,
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  Speaker 4: they need to bring him down and if you.
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  Speaker 2: Do get pressure on him.
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  Speaker 1: We have seen him make bad choices and we have
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  Speaker 1: seen him not have great ball security when he's kind
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  Speaker 1: of trying to he got someone grabbing on and he's
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  Speaker 1: kind of try to rush and break away. Sometimes that
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  Speaker 1: ball gets out there a little bit. You want it
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  Speaker 1: high and tight, and it is not always high in
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  Speaker 1: tight with him. So again, opportunities for big plays for
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  Speaker 1: the offense, opportunities for big plays for the defense. That
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  Speaker 1: whether there are more or one than the other in
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  Speaker 1: a game that could be as low story and close
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  Speaker 1: as this, that could be the difference. So one other
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  Speaker 1: thing that I did want to ask you about was
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  Speaker 1: we talked a bunch about Tennessee's wide splits, not as
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  Speaker 1: much I thought this was going to be like the
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  Speaker 1: Jack level of the conversation in terms of, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it becomes like the story of the month. And we've
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  Speaker 1: kind of talked about it a few times, but not
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  Speaker 1: as much as I thought. Kinnesse's split their wide receivers
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  Speaker 1: out way wider than normal, like they're outside the numbers,
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  Speaker 1: which is very unusual. On both sides of the field
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  Speaker 1: to the field and end of the boundary, you would
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  Speaker 1: get a chance to talk to lath and Ransom. We
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  Speaker 1: got a chance to talk to Caleb Downs, both of
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  Speaker 1: the Ohio states starting safeties. What does that do to
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  Speaker 1: them in you know, and their roles and in terms
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  Speaker 1: of what's a little bit of additional stress on them
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  Speaker 1: and sort of forces you to make a decision a
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  Speaker 1: little earlier maybe.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And as Caleb said, it turns it into a
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  Speaker 4: one on one. Basically, it's a one on one game
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  Speaker 4: in the secondary where you are spread out and if
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  Speaker 4: you do miss your tackle, as we've seen that guy,
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  Speaker 4: that guy can be gone down to Thornton, you know,
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  Speaker 4: eighty six yards on a pretty simple rpo that if
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  Speaker 4: you don't make your play, then there's nobody else around
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  Speaker 4: because everybody is all spread out, and so they'll throw
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  Speaker 4: some quick stuff and you have to make those plays.
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  Speaker 4: Leith and Ransom has to make those plays. The corners
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  Speaker 4: have to tackle. We've seen over in years past, like
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  Speaker 4: Fash the seasoning oh season opener in twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 4: where you don't make a tackle and that guy goes.
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  Speaker 4: That's going to be key in this one. They're going
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  Speaker 4: to be out all by their lonesome. A lot of
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  Speaker 4: these safeties and so you have to bring somebody down,
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  Speaker 4: and you've got to be disciplined, and you've got to
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  Speaker 4: be aware, and you've got to be on your toes.
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  Speaker 4: As I think, as Caleb and lath and Rants both said,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you've got to get your cleats in the
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  Speaker 4: dirt and be ready to go.
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  Speaker 1: Get your cleetes in the chopped up tires and possibly
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  Speaker 1: frozen artificial turf.
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  Speaker 2: It is going to be definitely a challenge.
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  Speaker 1: We did get a chance also today to sort of
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  Speaker 1: wrap up the Monday interviews with a Mecca Abuca. Monday
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  Speaker 1: was offense, but Amca wasn't available, so we got a
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  Speaker 1: chance to talk to him today. Nothing earth shattering from him,
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  Speaker 1: but I think there's a lot of opportunity for redemption
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  Speaker 1: like this. This is a chance for He talked about
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  Speaker 1: Will Howard and having complete faith in Will Howard.
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  Speaker 3: This is a chance for Will Howard to go out
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  Speaker 3: on a better note at home than he did.
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  Speaker 1: It's also a chance for the Ohio State team, the
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  Speaker 1: senior class that came back to achieve all of these goals,
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  Speaker 1: to go out with their last game, higher stadium, on
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  Speaker 1: a higher note than they would have otherwise.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, this is you can be a senior
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  Speaker 4: Day do over type of thing, and knowing that this
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  Speaker 4: is your last opportunity to play in the shoe and
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  Speaker 4: the way that they left the field on senior Day
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  Speaker 4: has to be crushing. So this is an opportunity to
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  Speaker 4: not erase that, but just go out on a better
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  Speaker 4: note at home, in a place where you've been for
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  Speaker 4: four years, some five years. You've had a ton of
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  Speaker 4: great memories with your brothers and all of that, and
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  Speaker 4: you don't want to be thinking your last two times
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  Speaker 4: here were losses. You certainly want to go out with
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  Speaker 4: a win for many many reasons, among them the fact that, God,
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  Speaker 4: it's the last game you're ever gonna play here. It's
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  Speaker 4: going to be your last memory here. The crowd, you
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  Speaker 4: keep hearing the the the imploring of help help the defense.
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  Speaker 4: This is an opportunity for the crowd to be part
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  Speaker 4: of the one twelfth of the defense. And if the
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  Speaker 4: crowd can do their one twelve, it's going to make
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  Speaker 4: everybody else else's job easier dealing with all of the
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  Speaker 4: tempo and everything is. If Tennessee has go silent, count
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  Speaker 4: that's an advantage for the for the defense immediately.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, and we've talked about that a bunch on the
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  Speaker 1: Buckeye Weekly shows that we've done. If you have not
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  Speaker 1: podcast and go ahead and download the last five or
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  Speaker 1: so shows. We spent a lot of time talking about Tennessee,
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  Speaker 1: the matchup between the Buckeyes and volunteers on that feed
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  Speaker 1: as well as on the Buckeyes Tomorrow Morning feed, as
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  Speaker 1: well as on our YouTube channel YouTube dot com slash
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  Speaker 1: Bucke Huddle, and we've picked up a bunch of Tennessee
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  Speaker 1: followers the last week or two who've mostly enjoyed our
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  Speaker 1: analysis of Tennessee's, you know, some of Tennessee's bigger game.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it takes a while for the mail, like the
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  Speaker 1: we're going to be doing a bunch of live shows
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  Speaker 1: this week and have a bunch of breakdowns. We try
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  Speaker 1: and have another Ross Fulton show with a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of an x's and o's look at Tennessee going to
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  Speaker 1: have some common I know Tennessee did their offensive and
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  Speaker 1: defensive coordinator press conference today, so I'll try and have
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of a breakdown of what we heard
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  Speaker 1: from them. Did a breakdown on the Buckey Huddle board
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  Speaker 1: that I'll try and turn into a video at some
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  Speaker 1: point of the fifteen most interesting stats and facts about
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  Speaker 1: Tennessee football that we learned from the information that the
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  Speaker 1: school put out.
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  Speaker 2: Did you know, Tony?
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  Speaker 1: This will not only be the first time Tennessee plays
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  Speaker 1: at Ohio State, it will be the first time they
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  Speaker 1: play in the state of Ohio, which is which is
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  Speaker 1: impossible because it's.
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  Speaker 2: Like four hours from Tennessee to Cincinnati.
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  Speaker 1: Like it feels like, at some point accidentally in the
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  Speaker 1: nineteen twenties you would have done that, but they have not.
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  Speaker 4: They are even afraid of like Ohio Wesley Capital.
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  Speaker 1: So yes, so we'll have it will be a historic
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  Speaker 1: day on Saturday as the Buckeyes and volunteers kick it off.
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  Speaker 2: At eight o'clock.
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  Speaker 1: We will be there probably much earlier than that on Saturday,
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  Speaker 1: have all of our usual live pre and postgame coverage
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  Speaker 1: for you at YouTube dot com. Uh Bucky Huddle. That'll
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  Speaker 1: do it for today Thank you guys all for joining us.
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  Speaker 1: Have a great day. We'll talk to you tomorrow.