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Green and Gold Brothers Episode 13 · Green and Gold Brothers

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_01: Hello and welcome to the Green and Gold Brothers Podcast, the place for all things Packers related.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_01: You can find us on X at GRNGLD Bros, on Facebook at Green and Gold Brothers, and anywhere you get your favorite podcasts.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome back to the Green and Gold Brothers.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_00: I'm Zach.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Cody.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_01: We are back after another win.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_01: Big win.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_01: Victory Tuesday again.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_01: We're a little late this week, but Victory Tuesday.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_01: You guys will probably hear it Friday, but this is when we're recording.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: They beat Dallas 23-13 on Sunday night football.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_01: It was 23 points for the Packers.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_01: It could have been more.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_01: Should have been more.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_01: Should have been more.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_01: We'll get into that as we go, but it should have been a lot worse than 10 points.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_01: Jordan Love was excellent.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_01: Excellent again.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_01: He did have a pick, but it was a nice play by the linebacker.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_01: And then he also ran for a touchdown.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_01: He threw for 276 yards.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_01: Completion percentage wasn't there.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_01: Again, we'll get into why.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: No run game really.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_01: We kind of struggled there.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_01: A little bit unfortunate, getting kind of tired of saying the run game.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_01: But I do think with the the points that we did sort of miss.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_01: We were just talking about this before we came on that the way that we left those points on the board, they were drop passes.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_01: We had uh Golden had for sure two drop touchdowns.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Christian Watson had a ball hit him in the hands.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not giving it a drop.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_01: The ball was tipped.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was tipped right before it got to his hands.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_00: Really tough play to follow through on that.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, hopefully it doesn't happen again.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_00: And it's it is what it is.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's just one of those fluky plays.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: So with how close it was to him by the time it got tipped, sort of, you know, compare it to uh a catcher in baseball trying to catch a foul tip.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, they have you know literally zero reaction time.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you can ask just about any catcher that's ever played, you know, decently high-level baseball.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't even have to be that high level, but trying to catch a foul tip, there is zero skill involved.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_01: It is either you catch it or you don't.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_01: So that was kind of what that play reminded me of.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, it got tipped and the the trajectory of the ball totally changed within you know two feet of him.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, in real time it looked brutal.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, come on, you gotta be kidding me.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: Then they slowed it down on replay, definitely tipped.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_01: I had the same thought, like the wide angle was like, come on, Christian, catch that, and then they they zoomed in and like, oh, okay, I I see what happened.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_00: It makes sense now.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so back to the good though, still getting a lot of explosives.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, Jordan was just chucking it, and it doesn't feel like they're just blind, you know, all right, just go deep.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_01: That I've seen some people say, you know, the the haters and the fans of other teams are like, oh, you know, all they do is just they just throw it up and see what happens.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_00: No, there's a method to their madness with how they're getting these explosives right now.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_01: They are very calculated.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I think the way that Matt talked about, he got asked the question.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_01: I remembered today, it was before the week one game, and they asked them about the team's identity.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember him answering something along the lines of, Well, if you can't tell, like you better be able to tell what our identity is.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_01: And maybe it took a few weeks, you know, they kind of had a rough start to the year, but I think the identity is very clear at this point.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_00: Drop back, sling it, play action.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_00: Explosives.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_00: They're they're hunting explosives.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_00: I've heard him say that many times.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_01: So they have fast receivers who can go get it, and Jordan has been absolutely credited rightfully so as one of, if not the best, deep ball throwers in the league right now.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_01: He's gotten much better at it.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, absolutely.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_01: Early on, that was kind of where his game left a little to be desired.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_01: And now I feel like if he drops back and hits that back foot and he's going deep, get ready.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like, here come the fireworks.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, injuries, I suppose, we'll hop into unless you have uh anything else to do.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_01: No, we we can we can jump into that.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_00: I think I maybe even got a little ahead of myself.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you're good.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_00: Uh injuries, not really anything this week.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_00: No cart came out this week.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_00: Can we celebrate?
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_00: There was no cart.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's it's very promising for the first time in a couple weeks.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_00: There wasn't a player being carted off.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_00: Uh CISA is the only one that left the game, and I don't think he came back.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it looked like a stinger.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_00: We had mentioned that, texting back and forth during the game, and it was a stinger.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's I saw that he said that today, today or yesterday, he said it himself that it was just a stinger and he's fine.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_00: So he should be back this next week against Detroit.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_00: Hopefully there's no setbacks there.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_00: Jordan Riley, Cody, you brought him up last week.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_00: We weren't really sure what his timeline was, but we knew he was getting close, and a few days after the episode, or after we recorded the episode, he's cleared to start practicing.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think so I I there are tiers to that, which I did forget about until we activated Savion this week.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_01: What they did is they opened his window.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_01: So that means he has three weeks to be activated now, where I think we maybe mentioned that once they started practicing, I think we just kind of made it seem like that meant they were good to go.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_01: But obviously there's still a second step, so Riley does still need to be activated even though he is practicing.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but they have they have two weeks left now, and I could I think it's gonna happen.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_01: I I would see it happening potentially this week.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_01: Uh especially with our matchup against a very good run game.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_00: And then you mentioned Savion, he came back from um IR and had a pretty good game.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_00: I thought he looked he looked like himself, uh, consistent, strong hands, had a couple runs that or a couple passes that he broke for mediocre gains.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't wouldn't say anything too crazy, but he was involved in the offense.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_01: I think he had two or three catches on the first drive, including he picked up a big first down.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it may have been a third down that he picked up, actually.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, it was it was real nice seeing 83 back out there.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_01: He's not at the point right now where he's you know a game changer, but just to have another guy that you hopefully can rely on is is very nice, and they definitely do script some of the stuff for him specifically.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_01: I think that was kind of clear that I think it was probably the first or second play that they threw it to him right away, wanted to get him back involved.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_00: Uh we'll just hop into uh some game stuff here.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_00: You had mentioned already the um no run game.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's been kind of frustrating throughout the season here so far, our lack of run game.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_00: I I know they're trying to get it to work, but it's it's not working right now.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think we against Chicago, I think we had 97-ish yards.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think we cracked 100 yards.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't 100, it was yeah, upper 80s, 90, something like that.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_01: I forget what I believe we mentioned it, so check the episode.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think the most frustrating part is there are holes to run through.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_00: I've we've talked about it, we've seen multiple clips.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: There's multiple times where whether it's Marshawn Lloyd, Caleb Williams, sorry, Caleb Johnson, and uh Pierre Strong, I guess he's only been up two weeks now with us.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_00: Correct.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: There's been multiple times where there's a lane to run through the offensive line, and Marshawn Lloyd specifically feels the need to try and bounce it outside and takes a tackle for loss.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_00: We can't have that on early downs.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_00: To be fair, that is what got him drafted.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he was a big play guy at USC.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_01: He used his speed in college.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_01: He could outrun guys.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_01: You see it every single year, every single draft class.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's one of my favorite sort of welcome to the big boy league with a lot of players, most players actually, where you know, in college, that's what they do.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_01: They just they can run circles around everybody on the field, and then they get up here to the to the league, to the NFL, and all of a sudden those guys that are twice their size are catching them from behind.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_01: They're just as fast as you.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_01: And guys are kind of like, Who caught are you kidding me?
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_01: It was that guy?
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_01: There's no way.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_01: So I that's I think sort of a a rude awakening for a lot of guys, and I think Marshall is ex experiencing that right now.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's not to say that he can't eventually get over that, but but I think I think I yelled at the TV at least twice, stop bouncing it.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_01: Like hit up you gotta hit it and and go forward.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_01: You're not gonna outrun these guys, so it's better to to hit the hole and and get three or four than trying to bounce it outside and now instead of second and eight or second and seven, you're in second and twelve.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's it's been frustrating.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_00: I think you know, the offense line plays a key role in that, but the O line up until you know this point, we've been pretty decent.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_00: They've been trending upwards, and there were holes.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_00: There are multiple, like I said, clips that I've seen that you've seen, we've talked about it.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_00: Go find them online if you want.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, just play the game back.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: There's multiple holes that you could fit two human beings through, and he doesn't even look at the hole, he it's instantly cut outside and try to get to the edge.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: So he he'll figure it out, I think.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I he's gonna have to.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I just thought of this now.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_01: I almost wonder if worst case scenario was his second touchdown against Chicago.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_01: He was able to bounce and hit the edge.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_01: So he thought and he scored.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he was he was playing his best football of his career in the first three quarters of that game, and then he was able to get to the outside, and that sort of, you know, maybe reiterated that hey, maybe I can do this, but you have to know the situation.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: I get it on a dead play, maybe if the line just gets jammed up and there's nothing there.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_00: Go ahead and bounce it outside.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_00: But when you have when you have a hole like the size as wide of as a pickup truck, I mean you need you need to commit to it.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_00: That's what the play call is.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: Has to be a little more patient.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_00: I think he's kind of got this anxiety, you know, not not that he's a rookie, but I think he's he's amped up and kind of like you said, he's used to college ball because he's only played limited snaps in the NFL where he is faster, he is quicker than a lot of these guys, and it's worked for him in the past.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_00: So I I hope he can figure it out here because we're gonna need him.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: I do think a lot of it is I hate to keep using this word.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_01: We're six weeks in now as a starter, but I think it is rust, and when I say rust, I mean play speed and and almost not necessarily game shape, but just you can't replicate what happens between the lines on Sunday.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_01: You can practice, you can scrimmage, you can do ever anything that you can think of to try and replicate it, but you you are not it's it's really not possible to replicate a full game and just the game speed and how everybody is going a hundred percent all the time.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's tough.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_01: So not to excuse him, but I do think that that does play into this a little bit.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but totally agree that it's it's gotta get better and in a hurry.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_01: I I do still really like him in space.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_01: If we can, you know, game plan some some swing passes.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: He's still looked good doing that.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I think that's where he would succeed most is screen passes, little swing passes.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_00: That's get him in space and let him run.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_01: Bring back their uh what was it, the pony package where they have two running backs in the backfield, so you can't just oh, okay, he's gonna throw here.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_01: If you bring them both in, well, now what's gonna happen?
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, somebody gonna run, or are you gonna run that play action swing pass?
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_01: And then yeah, you get Marshawn Lloyd out on the edge where he wants to be anyway.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_01: But if you design him to be out there, I could definitely see some some benefits to it.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_00: Agreed.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_00: We'll talk about another thing here, real quick.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: That's frustrating.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: It's been frustrating all year.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry to no, we're moving on.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_00: Talk about all the negative stuff, but drops, drops and penalties.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's been a year-long problem.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: We've seen teams in the past, you know, Green Bay teams struggle with drops, and you know, eventually it gets a little better.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_00: Uh this game it hurt hurt us quite a bit.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_00: Just the the few plays, you know, Golden had two in the end zone would have been touchdowns, and then we already talked about the Watson one.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_00: And then Pierre Strong had one.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_00: It was garbage time, fourth quarter.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_00: But if he picks up, if he catches that ball, he picks up a first down, and we can pretty much just probably run the clock up.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, start taking these and game over.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if it's just a concentration issue.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if I don't know what the issue is.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_00: It it needs to be cleaned up.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_00: So that's my take on it.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm with you there.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't know exactly what the problem is, where it stems from, but yeah, it's something that man, I really don't want it to cost us in January.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: We've seen we've seen that seen that movie before.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_00: Penalties as well.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_00: I mentioned that it's it's been a year-long problem.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: They cleaned it up a little bit, you know, throughout I think against this three-game winning streak, it's it's been better.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_00: This was the worst out of the three-game winning streak.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: I will caveat it with this.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_01: This one, take it with a little bit of a grain of salt.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: I thought the officiating was terrible in this game.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_01: There were 22 combined flags, so I think actually I think it was even, so you can't even say, oh, they're out to get one team or another.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_00: It was a time and place that the flags got thrown.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_01: I thought that was just it's disgusting.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_01: Took a pick off the play or off the off the board, you know, Valentine made a nice play on it.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: But even Wayne Larvey, go to Wayne, was very just very, very upset about it, and he doesn't do that.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_01: He he is very good at not criticizing the officials in real time.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like he's great at his job.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_01: He's the radio guy for for the Packers, if you are unaware.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but he was he was just blown away.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like that was a bad call.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_01: And then there that was one of many.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, there was a a call on Hopper that was not even close to the play that doesn't get called all the time, rarely gets called.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_01: There was on the flip side then, I texted you as soon as it happened, it it didn't end up mattering, but on the play that Dallas scored their second touchdown late in the fourth, the receiver ran into Javon Bullard and shoved him eight yards and put him on his back.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_00: That's what frustrates me the most.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_00: They're gonna focus on all these I don't want to say bogus, but they want to focus on a lot of these calls that are ticky-tacky kind of, but then the very egregious, obvious ones, there's nothing.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, come on, there has to be some sort of consistent consistency here, and there hasn't been.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_00: We've mentioned it before, it's becoming a league-wide problem.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_00: I I talk to people who are fans of other teams, and they they agree that I mean the refs have been pretty bad throughout the first six weeks of the season.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_00: We watch football every week.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's there's always gonna be a call or two where you're questioning it, but when it's over and over and over, and I mean, even into the college ranks, too.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: We both watch a lot of college football, and I don't know, it's I understand it is a difficult job.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_01: I believe I went on a rant on this a couple weeks ago.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it's tough.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: It it's not something that anybody can just, oh, I could get up and go do it.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_01: It it's hard.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_01: These guys are big, they're fast, they're strong, they're moving very quickly, but that's what you do.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like, a lot of these are are happening from veteran officials.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: These are guys that this isn't their first time, and they're they're missing or they're calling ones that don't need to be called.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: And the one that I was talking about they didn't call, and Dallas scored.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: What happens if that was what if we were up by four?
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: Or that tied the game, and it couldn't have been more obvious.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it kind of spooks me a little bit.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want this to happen down the road where all of a sudden stuff's not getting called when it needs to be called, and it costs us a crucial game because the officiating was so poor.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: They've got a lot of season left.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: Hopefully it gets better.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: That's all I really have to say.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_01: I will say, I texted you this, we kinda have talked about this a little.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_01: I am it it's good that they are making improvements.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm happy with that.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: Uh that they have shown at least a little bit of an ability to overcome some of the, you know, maybe questionable, to put it politely, questionable calls or non-calls.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_01: The Minnesota game, I think we went on a nice long rant about that, that there were three on one drive and Minnesota ended up scoring and either tying or taking the lead, whatever that one was.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_01: They they couldn't overcome that one.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we weren't the same team after that series there.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_01: And and this week it could have done it could have gone in the same direction.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they had uh a taunting penalty that b pushed them right back out of the red zone on one of Matthew Golden's first big catches.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they were down at the 10 and a questionable taunting call that pushed them back into the 30.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: And then there was uh an unsportsman like that eliminated a third down stop and then they picked it up.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: They didn't score on that drive, but they could have.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: And then the roughing the passers that took away the interception and then it extended the drive again later.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: There was another one, and it it was tough, but it was a spot that they they didn't let it snowball and get out of out of their hands.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: They they were able to overcome it.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: So I think that definitely was some growth.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: Well, let's talk about some positive things here since we've been focusing on the negative.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: The defense balled out.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: They shut Dallas down for the most part.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like you had said, it was garbage time touchdown that they scored that last touchdown.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: But they had Dak Prescott flustered all night.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: They played great coverage.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: Jonathan Gannon, he's he's a baller right now.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: Are we happy with Gannon yet?
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: Was it the right hire?
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: I like it.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_01: We were just talking about this before, too.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_01: Some of the guys that we did want instead.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Christian Parker in Dallas.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: That defense has looked rough.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: He's struggling right now.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Jim Leonard, Buffalo, they're I think they're four and one, but that defense gives up a ton.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I couldn't be happier with Jonathan Gannon.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: The way he he's been scheming up games.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: Dak Prescott's one of those quarterbacks that I mean, he usually gets his flowers for being one of the guys that is comfortable at the line of scrimmage, he can diagnose pre-snap stuff.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_00: He's just really good at you know, understanding what the defense is going to throw at you.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: He's played a lot of football before it happens.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: And you could tell there were multiple times in this game where he was clueless.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_00: Jonathan Gannon did a really good job of scheming up a lot of the same looks, but then after the ball was snapped, you had defensive backs that were on the line of scrimmage, looking like they're about to blitz, dropping back into coverage, and then the next time he would have the same look, and then that defensive backs coming at the quarterback, you know.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_01: So it wasn't quite to the extent of you know him seeing ghosts, that's kind of a some terminology you hear, but he was definitely hesitant.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: And that's exactly where you want the quarterback to be.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: I think it all changed for him after that hit by Zaire Franklin.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: Franklin, they blitzed, I think, Bullard and Franklin.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: Bullard got picked up.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: Franklin came untouched, untouched, and just laid the wood.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: Perfectly legal, clean hit, but textbook.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: And I think Dak stayed down for a few seconds after that.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: Next play, interception.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: And then from that point on, Dak Prescott did not look the same the rest of the night, at least in my opinion.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: They didn't eclipse 300 yards until that last touchdown drive.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: So kudos to the defense for sure.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: And uh special teams.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, do you want to touch on the defense anymore?
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I think that was about it.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we'll get there when we move on here a little bit later in this episode.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I the defense looked awesome.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: Definitely probably the bright spot.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, as good as Jordan Love looked, the defense looked probably better.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: So that was that was very exciting.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's gonna be a big, big piece this year.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, not that the offense struggled, offense did fine, but when you have a defense that's playing at that level, it takes the pressure off your quarterback, it takes the pressure off your offense as a whole.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: And I think we need a little bit more of that back and forth.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say it goes both ways.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_01: If you have a defense that you can trust, the offense is gonna play better.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: And when the defense knows that the offense is gonna get you out of you know some situations, then they're gonna be better.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_00: So not saying the offense is gonna score every single time when the defense gets on the ball back, but you know that there's a possibility down the road where your defense is gonna come up big for you, whether it's a fourth down stop, interception, a forced fumble.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: And so far our defense, minus the Atlanta game a few weeks ago, has been flawless.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: Especially the way that things are going right now.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: If you know that all right, right now.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Now the Packers lead the league in picks, and I understand we played a couple backup quarterbacks and an undrafted rookie.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I get it.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: You still have to make the plays that are in front of you.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: They lead the league in picks, and our offense is super explosive.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: So if you can get a couple takeaways, and then all of a sudden now you hit a big, big shot for a touchdown.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that can swing the whole game.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: We talked about that in the the Minnesota loss.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: How big of a player momentum is in these games.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_00: Well, special teams as well.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: Trace Mac bounced back five for five, three field goals, made both uh PATs.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: Daniel Wheeler had himself a night, averaged 50 yards.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: He had a monster one.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: I was just telling you about, too, that they were he was kicking out of the back of his own end zone.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: His feet were literally on the back line.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: And that's a situation where you know it's probably 50-50.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: If Dallas is getting the ball on the plus side, you know, in in enemy territory, he kicks a boomer.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: And then there was also a hold.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, Dallas is all right, we got to stop.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: We're probably gonna get the ball maybe at the 40, might be in field goal range already.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: All of a sudden, they're starting to drive at their own 30.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I think they punted.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: So, I mean, that that is a very much a weapon.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_00: If he can kick like that.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: And then one last person, uh, Coleman Owen, kind of a tongue twister if you say it a little too fast, but uh practice squad elevation.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: I think we picked him up a few weeks ago.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: He was returning punts for us this week with uh Sky Moore being out for a little while here.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: They just put Sky Moore on IR last week, so probably be couple more weeks, yeah.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, Coleman Owen came in, looked comfortable.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: He had a 16-yard return, so I think that's just something to keep an eye on in the future.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_00: He looked he looked like a natural back there in my very much so.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_01: Matt did say something about uh him fair catching at the six.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_01: He probably could have let that one bounce, but at the same time, the way that these punters aren't manipulating the ball right now, if he doesn't catch that, maybe it's down at the one.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: Or the two even.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like it I understand his thinking on that.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but in case we haven't uh driven this home enough yet, as bad as our special teams has been in our lifetime, Coleman Owen with a 16-yard return in his first game as a Packer would have been the longest return for the Packers last year.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: So tip of the cap to to him on that one.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you know, we're we're definitely in brighter days on the special teams.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'll take it.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: I'll take anything we can get.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_00: Studs and duds.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, we can get into that.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I'll start.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: My absolute number one stud from from this evening or from Sunday's game, Evan Williams.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: You want to talk about a baller?
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: This dude is playing lights out right now.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: He's carving himself up a pretty pretty good season.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, absolutely.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_01: He had five tackles and that pick that you mentioned with the the disguise, which was insane.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't even realize it at the at the time until they showed the replay.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_01: I thought he was playing back in in a shell.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like he was in zone from the start at the the goal line and just made a nice play on the ball.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: Then they showed the replay.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: No, he was at the line of scrimmage at the snap and beat the receiver to the spot.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's it's not unheard of, but it it was very impressive.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: He's he's an absolute weapon uh with Edrin Cooper being out for the season.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_00: Kind of Evan Williams was a guy I kind of looked to, you know.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_00: He's got the tangibles, he has all the ability in the world, and he's he stepped into that role.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_00: Different positions, obviously, but just a big playmaker, in the right place at the right time, solid tackler, just a guy you can rely on.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_00: I love watching him play.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: Totally agree.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: Seems like a really good leader for a young guy, too.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_01: He's in year three now, and just the way that he, you know, can get guys in the right spot and and knows the game.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: He's very cerebral and just super intelligent guy.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: And he knows how to draw a star the right way, too.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: That was a funny video.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's a video clip uh mid-game.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_00: The defensive backs were sitting on the bench and they were all discussing the proper way to draw a star.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: And it's stupid, but if you get a chance, go look it up.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: The Green Bay Packers posted it, so it's out there.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's out there for sure.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: It was pretty funny.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, next guy on the list, Keyshawn Nixon.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_00: I hate to put him on this list because last time we put him on the studs list, he followed it up with uh pretty poor performance.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: But since then, he's he's been, I don't want to say lockdown, but he's been very, very good.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: He had eight tackles on the day, eight solo tackles, which that was kind of the big thing.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_00: That was his big knock, at least from us.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_00: His inability, not not that he can't tackle, but it just seemed like a lot of times he shied away from tackling.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: The willingness.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_00: So he had eight tackles to himself.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: Don't think he gave up any big plays.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: There were no penalties.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: He kind of he did his talking before the game.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: If you get anybody saw that uh pre-game, there was not a scuffle, but exchanging of words on the sidelines, and Keyshawn Nixon was leading the charge.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: So they don't the Packers don't shadow receivers, you know, that the corners stay on their side of the field, which most teams do nowadays.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_01: That there's not really a whole lot of you know one guy running with one receiver.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: Uh George Pickens, I believe, Nixon was on for most of the game, and he was very quiet.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he did not have a very good game at all.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I understand you you got CD Lamb on the other side.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: There's games where both are open, you can only throw to one.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: So I get it.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes, you know, maybe the guy's open and the ball doesn't get to him, but it was very encouraging that George Pickens had a very quiet game, and I think Nixon did have a lot to do with that.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: Next, another secondary guy, Brandon Cise.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: He had four tackles, and his first career pick, it was on a slip.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_01: CeeDee Lamb fell down.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: You should know about it.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_01: He's played in Lamble before.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I was actually surprised at how many guys were slipping.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: It didn't seem like it was that type of an environment on Sunday night.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: I know that it can get you know a little slippery when the temperature starts cooling down and you know when when it is colder, but it was it was warmer, like it was a warmer game.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't think that that was gonna be an issue, but there were a lot of guys.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_01: I think George Pickens slipped at one point.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: Even George Pickens he blew a cleat.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_00: He lost a chunk of his cleat, yeah, which is odd.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think I've ever seen that.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_00: Not in football.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think I have.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, CSA, I thought, um do you have that oh that stat from earlier?
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I can't remember all the numbers, but uh week one, you know, to uh week six.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: So here is Brandon Brandon C say's passer rating allowed by week.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: So this is for a rookie, obviously.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: Week one, he allowed 135.4 passer rating, and this is when targeted.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_01: Uh week two, one nineteen point four.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_01: Week three, a little bit better at one thirteen point seven.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_01: Then he went to 81.3 in week four, week five, it was 70.8, and then Sunday night, 9.4.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: And those are probably the best receivers they've that that they've seen.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Minnesota's pretty good.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: He's getting comfortable.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: He is, he's learning the defense, he's understanding his role, he's understanding how to be a pro.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I thought he looked awesome.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he has two sacks on the season, too, which for a defensive back, I mean, that's that's not very common.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_00: I think you know the things are trending up big time for him.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_00: There's gonna be more mistakes throughout the season.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's a rookie, and even veterans make mistakes, and it it's how the game goes, but as long as you don't let it beat you twice.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's a good um a good quote that I've heard.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna say who because it's been said a hundred times, but basically uh Sean McVeigh has said it before too, and college coach, like you don't let it beat you twice.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: So what that basically means is you make a mistake, you learn from it, and then don't make that mistake again.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_01: So if he can continue building on that, feel very, very good about his future.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_00: Next guy, Jordan Morgan, uh only allowed one pressure, which is phenomenal.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_00: I know he's been struggling a little bit.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_00: Pressures have been kind of a thing that he's allowed.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think he's allowed a ton of sacks on the season.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'd have to look up the numbers on that.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_00: Just from me thinking back now to all the games, I don't think he's allowed a ton of sacks, but only allowing one pressure for a guy who has been allowing a pretty significant amount is it's it's good.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: I will say this.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_01: I had I had this thought after last week, I believe.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_01: I forgot to bring it up.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: Left tackle typically is your your spot that is gonna give up the most pressures.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_01: Think about it, that's where the defense will put their best rusher.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's why the left tackles get paid because it's the quarterback's blind side most of the time.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there are some lefties, but most of the time the defense will put their best rusher on the quarterback's blind side, so the left side of the offense, the right side of the defense.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_01: So that is gonna be typically your toughest assignment as a pass rusher.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: So left tackles, I mean, there are some just stonewall guys that just are good, but outside of those honestly like four or five guys, maybe in the league, left tackle is where you're giving up most of your pressures anyway.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_01: So yes, his numbers were a little bit higher, but also that's that's gonna be expected.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he was the highest graded um player on the offensive line this week, which as of late, it's been still up and down.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_00: I think they put together three solid weeks this week.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: I think they took a step back as a whole on the offensive line, and we can talk about that in a little bit here if you want.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: But overall, I thought Morgan did very well compared to you know how he has been.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_00: I think I don't know if we've had him on the duds list yet, but he's been pretty close to being on that list for sure.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: I think so, yeah.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe one week he was, but but yeah, nice uh nice improvement from from Jordan Morgan.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_01: Let's uh keep that rolling forward.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_01: Now for the duds.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_01: You want to hit Carl Brooks too?
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: We got him right there.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yep.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, I didn't we have that jumping the gun.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_01: I missed that on my notes.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: Carl Brooks, this is this is more of just an overall shout-out.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: Uh he didn't have any, you know, sort of jump off the stats or jump off the page stats this week, but Carl Brooks has been very solid.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: And we did mention at the beginning uh in our season preview that maybe switching back to this type of defense was gonna be good for Carl Brooks.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, it very much has been.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_01: He has I think he's been the snap leader in the D-tackle room.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_00: I think he's the best defensive lineman we have right now, as far as so the snap counts going up, it's it's for a reason.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: And Devontae Wyatt maybe has a little more juice as a pass rusher.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: Agreed.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_01: But I think Carl Brooks overall has definitely been more solid.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he had a really nice play.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was the first drive, gotten into the backfield and got a two-yard tackle for loss, which we've talked about before with our offense.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_00: That's something that we don't want.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: You don't want a first down play to be now you're looking at second and twelve.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_00: And there Dallas was looking at, I think it was on a first down run that they had.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_00: It might have been second down run, either either way.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_01: Probably they threw the ball a lot, so there were only a handful of runs.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, just a quick shout-out to him.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was more of a, like I said, not necessarily from this game, but just overall, he's having a solid season so far.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: Now the Duds.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_01: Marshawn Lloyd.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_01: Pretty obvious one.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we were talking about this before we came on.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure what you do with Marshawn Lloyd.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: He had eight carries for 10 yards, and he continues to want to bounce the ball outside, like we mentioned.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: Jacobs sounds like he's gonna be back.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_01: He was removed from the commissioner's list this week.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Matt said on Monday that he's gonna practice all week, and I have to imagine if he's in enough, good enough game shape, he's gonna play, and he's gonna get a majority because what we have right now isn't cutting it.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_01: So you're getting Jacobs back.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_01: Chris Brooks is on the IR, but that was believed to be short term.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_01: That was just just an ankle sprain.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so he he'll be back eventually.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: Pierre Strong, I thought, looked the best out of the backs on Sunday.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_00: Especially his receptions that he had.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: If he can catch the ball and if he can if he can pass block as well as he did, he had a one where he picked up blitz.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_01: It I forget if it was a touchdown or it wasn't the touchdown because that one was shorter, but it was one of the bigger plays.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, he he picked up a blitzing linebacker just perfect.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_01: So if he can give you something, I mean you're not cutting Chris Brooks.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_01: You signed him to I don't want to say an uncuttable contract, but the what you signed him to, you would expect to keep him around.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_00: I think Chris Brooks is a big part of what this offense needs.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_01: So I so he's not going anywhere.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_01: Caleb Johnson.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_01: You traded for him.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think he's going anywhere.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_01: So it would be weird to do anything to get rid of him.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_01: And then, I mean, Pierre Strong maybe, but You let him go.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: He's been your best guy so far.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_01: Somebody's gonna scoop him up.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: I would think so too.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_01: So it's it's turning into a real numbers crunch, and we're not gonna give you a solution because we don't have one, but it's gonna be interesting to see.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it'll be definitely interesting to keep an eye on that situation as the season progresses.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_00: I think Lloyd had a perfect opportunity the first six weeks of the season to kind of solidify his role.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_00: As we all knew, you know, however Jacob's situation panned out, if he was allowed to come back, he was most likely going to be back, and that's what's happening.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_00: But what I'm getting at is Lloyd had a perfect opportunity, not just for this season, but for the future as well.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_01: We mentioned it before, and I still still uh feel pretty confident in this, even if none of the off-the-field stuff happens with Jacobs, this was probably his last year as a Packer, just the way that they structured his contract, and moving forward, he's you know starting to get to the cliff when it comes to running backs age, and it's just one of those things that it would have very much made sense to move on from.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: So I I think you were spot on with that.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_01: This was sort of an addition for Marshawn Lloyd to say, hey, yeah, I can be the guy.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't know that he's given any sort of sign that he can do it.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_01: I want him to.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_01: It was he's exciting, you know, every year.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, Marshawn Lloyd's looking awesome.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's not there, and maybe it will be, but right now, right now, you cannot get to where you want to go with him being the lead back.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: Especially after his performance in Chicago.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_00: I know he didn't have crazy amount of yards, but he he ran hard, he ran aggressive, he ran between the tackles.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he did the right things, and then to bounce back this week, and you know just there's a reason he's on the dead list.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_00: We all know it.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_00: I've been seeing people talk about it, been hearing people saying the same things.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's he's gotta be better, so yeah.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_00: Totally agree.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_01: We have a couple more, and this this is more nitpicking.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_01: Uh we had a pretty good week, you know.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_01: There weren't a weren't a ton of situations where it felt like we left a lot out there or anything like that.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_01: So these are these are very, you know, take it with a grain of salt.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but the first one, DDS, uh, he still living in the backfield, but he had a penalty on a third down that allowed them to stay on the field, try again.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_01: There were offsetting penalties, thankfully.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_01: So it didn't just straight up give them a first down.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_01: But either way, they picked up the third down on the retry and ended up you know moving the ball then after that.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: So those are penalties that cannot happen.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe it was a soft one, it was uh an unsportsman like where he didn't do anything except he said something.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_00: He said the magical word, whatever it is.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_01: Must have been.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_01: We couldn't hear it, we couldn't see it, but the ref did, and he it was enough to draw flags.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_01: So gotta be smarter than that.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_01: He knows it.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: Matt was upset with him when that did happen, and then rightfully so.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'll add to that too, earlier in the game.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_00: I thought he had a sack on Dak, Prescott.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_00: I'm pretty sure it was DDS, who just completely whiffed on a second.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_00: I think you're right.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_00: So I he's on the duds list.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_00: I might as well, like I said, we're getting it picky, so I'm gonna point that out too.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_01: He's still getting a ton of pressures and has looked every bit of a steal as a fourth round pick.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'd just like to see a guy come up with that sack there.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you're the first one in the backfield.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_00: You got a guy like Dak who's not super mobile.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he can use his legs and uh DDS just whiffed completely.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: So yes.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's it for studs and duds.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the other one, again, take it for what you will.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_01: Matthew Golden.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yep.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_01: He could have had a monster game.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he he did have a good game.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_01: First receiver since Devontae Adams, I believe, in 2017, uh, to have back-to-back 100 yard games.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_01: He scored a touchdown, but dropped two more.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he could have been he he could have won your fantasy week for sure, with you know well probably well over 200 yards and three touchdowns, and Jordan would have had a monster week.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_01: But the drops, and he'll be the first to tell you it can't happen.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't drop the ball.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_00: That's the weird thing about this is coming out of college, seeing his hands in training camp, he's he's very sure-handed.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_00: He always has been, and some of the catches he makes are ridiculous.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we talked about it last week, just his ability to high point the ball and just his route running is getting better.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_00: You gotta fix the drop.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_01: The first one was really bad down the left sideline that I think it just was too easy.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_01: He dropped.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_01: The other one was yes, it was a drop, but it was a tougher catch.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I'm sure he'll tell you he's gotta have it.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it looked like he kind of double clutched it and almost knocked the ball out of his own hands.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_00: So that one's gotta be frustrating.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, that's it for studs and duds.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I believe that's it for Dallas.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're moving on to Detroit now.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_00: Green Bay plays Detroit this Sunday, 325, I believe.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, it is America's game of the week.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_00: In Detroit.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_00: Another division opponent.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_00: Gonna be a tough one.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_01: This is a very good offense.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_01: There's no two things about it.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_01: Jared Goff, stud, top five in passing yards.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, when when things are going right for him, they're going really right.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_00: And Jameer Gibbs, don't really need to say much about him.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: Probably maybe the best running back in football.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_01: Definitely can make the argument.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'd put him above Bijan for sure.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_00: He's top two.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_00: Scary, so we gotta find a way to slow him down.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_00: And then they're pass catchers too.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_00: You have Amin Ross St.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_00: Brown, you have Jamison Williams, Laporta.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_00: Laporta.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_00: I'll even throw Isaac Tesla out there.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_00: He's kind of a boomer bust guy, but yeah, he's an athletic freak, and you gotta keep eyes on him as well.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_01: So totally agree.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we basically just kind of you know, building off of that, just you you gotta find a way to not let Atlanta come back again.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you you cannot play that way.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_01: If you do, it's gonna be a long night or afternoon.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be a long afternoon playing in Detroit.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_00: It'll be a long night too.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_01: Trickle into the night, yes.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh their defense, they do give up a ton of explosive.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_01: They're they are last in the league in explosive plays.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the weird stat to me, they give up a ton of explosives.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_01: They lead the league in sacks.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_01: They have 20 sacks coming into this week.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's crazy.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how that happens.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_00: They are getting Brian Branch back this week, I believe.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I think that's what I saw.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_01: So that that could change things for that defense.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_00: That'll help them for sure.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_00: Ganon on defense, I mean, Ganon's gonna have to have to find a way to you don't have to replicate what you did in Dallas, but you have to find certain things that are gonna work in your favor.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, we're gonna have to get pressure.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_00: I think Jared Goff, he's he's a pocket passer, it's what he is.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: High completion percentage.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_00: He's gonna sit back there and he's gonna find his targets that we we talked about earlier.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_00: There's gonna be a lot of dump dumped passes off to Gibbs.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_00: You gotta find a way to get Gibbs to the ground.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, sometimes even even a five to seven yard gain isn't terrible.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_00: You can't you can't let him take it for 30 plus.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_00: Correct.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_01: Limit the explosives, which they are still I I think top five in limiting explosives um as a defense.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_01: So it's gonna be strength on strength, really.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: Both sides of the ball this week.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_01: It it could be uh a high-scoring, exciting uh game.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_00: I thought that not to go back to Dallas, but that's kind of what I thought our game with Dallas was gonna be.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_00: It was gonna be a shootout, a boat race, kind of back back and forth, you know.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_00: And our defense stepped up.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_00: Honestly, Dallas's defense played pretty good too.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_00: They did.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_00: But I I kind of see the same thing this week.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like you were saying, that I think it's gonna be high scoring.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_00: I think we're gonna have to we're gonna have to keep up with their offense.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_00: Like if their offense is humming and our defense can't slow them down, we're gonna have to keep scoring with them.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_00: It could be, you know, a flashback to Dallas last year when we played them on uh Sunday night.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_01: This thing this game definitely could get into the forties.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_01: It would not surprise me in the slightest.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what the the line.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't seen the over under either.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_00: But it'd be interesting.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_00: I'd probably take the over.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_01: So we talked about the offensive line uh sort of stabilizing a little bit.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_01: Off of that, though, even though they have over this three-game winning streak, I think this you had mentioned that this was probably the worst of the three games.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so I don't really think uh Travis Glover did anything to totally make him benchable or not like not allow you to bench him.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh he played fine, but I think if Kevin Zeitler is is finally ready, you play him.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_01: I think he's this is week the week where you see him.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't think we can you know necessarily just say, well, it was working, so we're gonna roll out again.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, it was, but that's what got us in trouble in the first place.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_01: And and Steno has said this the last couple weeks when they've asked him about it that yes, it is working, we're not gonna change just to change, but also at the same time, we gotta get our best guys out there.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't see a world where Kevin Zeitler is not one of those.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_01: So I would I don't necessarily want to say I expect to see him.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_01: I do kind of hope that it's time.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um also Aaron Banks sounds like he maybe is uh gonna be on track to play again.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_01: You had you had said something about what uh Matt LaFleur said about him.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you said it's the best he's will look the best he's looked in weeks, which makes me think that he's he's gonna play, and I know there's a there's a big price tag that belongs to Aaron Banks, so a lot of people think that well, you know, you you gotta play him because you Goody's Goodakunz isn't gonna you know not play a guy that he gave a huge contract to, but Matt doesn't talk like this very often.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_00: I think if he's saying this, Banks is getting healthy, he's looking good.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_00: He probably realizes that his job is up for grabs.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_00: So I think if he is off the injury report, he's gonna be our starting left guard.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_00: So then you gotta figure out what you're gonna do with Tomlinson.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_00: If Zeitler's not ready, are you gonna move Tomlinson to the right guard?
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_01: I could see that because he's looked pretty good.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the the interior was the lowest graded part of the offense this past week against Dallas.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: I do think some of that is definitely because of the talent that Dallas has on their D-line, especially their interior D-line.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_01: Quentin Williams is probably a top five D tackle.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_01: Kenny Clark probably used to be.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if he is anymore.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_00: Bull point for sure.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_01: But he is still a heck of a player.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_01: So their interior guys are very good.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_01: So I think that had a lot to do with the grades for the interior guys.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't be opposed to what you just mentioned, moving Tomlinson over to right guard.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_01: He has played both, so he's very comfortable.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um again, Glover was fine, but I don't think it was a situation where it's oh no, we can't take him out of the lineup.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_01: So it it'll be interesting to see.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I think I do think at the end of the day, your best offensive line when healthy probably is Morgan, Banks, Ryan, Zeitler, and Belton.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_01: And and I would feel very comfortable rolling with those guys as long as they can stay healthy.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we had mentioned Jacobs being back too.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_00: I think this is a perfect recipe to get that run game going finally.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not asking for 200 rushing yards.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_00: We all know that's probably not gonna happen.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_00: But 60, 70 as a team.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_00: Just keep Detroit's defense guessing.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you want you want to be able to go out there and pick up some of those runs, but you also want to be able to build your play action, which I think is one of our best tools in the toolbox.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_01: Which is exciting, maybe.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_01: I guess you could look at it this way.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_01: They dropped their percentage again last week.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_01: So against Chicago, they ran it over 30% of the time, and the offense looked great.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_01: Last week, I think it was due mostly to a lack of run game.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_01: They they dropped back down to about 15%.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_01: And while the offense still functioned, they still didn't necessarily score as many points as they should have.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_01: So, yes, it doesn't have to be give Jacobs the ball or whoever the ball 25, 30 times, and we're gonna run it first and then we'll throw off of it.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_01: Jordan Love has proven, has shown this is his offense, he's driving it, and Matt LaFleur is leaning into it and it's working.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think there's any reason to change that.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_01: We all know Matt LaFleur wants to run the ball.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_01: He comes from the Shanahan tree, and I'm talking Mike Shanahan tree.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_01: They want to run.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_01: Sean McVeigh runs the ball.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_01: Kyle Shanahan runs the ball.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_01: Kevin O'Connell runs the ball.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like all of these guys that come out of the system want to run the football.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_01: It just it's the building blocks of the offense.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't mean they need to be a run first, lead the league, and rushing type of team.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_01: They just need to be able to run it efficiently so that they can build off of it.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_01: So if we can get back to that, I feel even better about the direction our offense is going.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_01: And it's looked pretty darn good the last three weeks.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_01: So if we can keep going that direction, we're gonna be a team that that nobody's gonna want to play.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_01: One of the things I think that is maybe in our favor, uh, if you didn't know, Detroit hired a new offensive coordinator this year, and it is Drew Petzing, who was with uh Jonathan Gannon in Arizona all three years that he was the head coach.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, so obviously there's some familiarity there.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_01: I was telling you that what I see as an advantage, Petsing obviously called the offense.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_01: Ganon did not call the defense in Arizona.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, it was his system, it's system, you know, that he's come out and said he doesn't have a system, but it was, you know, his ideology and and he definitely had a a fingerprint on the defense, but he wasn't the guy calling the plays.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't necessarily run the defense in practice.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_01: He did he wasn't the guy that Petsing was going up against in training camp and practice all the time.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_01: So while Gannon wasn't the guy calling the plays, Petsing was, so I feel like the tendencies and some of the the things that he wants to do from an offensive standpoint, Gannon should have an idea about, and the way that he's been in his bag and getting creative, I think can hopefully swing the advantage back to us.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_01: Even a handful of plays.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't have to be all game, but in in the big spots, you know, third downs and you know, maybe quick change if those happen or what whatever it may be.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_01: If if we can, you know, win those couple maybe handful of of swing plays on a possession, I think that definitely is is an advantage to to us in that regard.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_00: Keys keys to victory, I guess we'll just hammer home a few things here unless um Nope, you're you're good, and we kinda touched on the run game.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like we said, I mean, if you're gonna beat this Detroit team, I'm not gonna repeat myself over and over, but just have to have a semi-decent run game.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_00: And with Jacobs being back, we'll see you know what his snap percentage is, how often he's out there, but you gotta find a way to move the ball, open up the play action pass, and keep the explosives coming.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_01: Totally agree.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_01: That is, you know, like I said, it's it's gonna be it's gonna be good on bad a little bit both ways.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's strength on strength, uh, as far as the Packers not giving up explosives and the and the Lions being able to generate them on offense.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_01: But when it comes to to us being on offense, they give up so many that that's strength on weakness.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_01: So that that's two to one.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_01: Or yeah, that would be two to one for strengths that hopefully we can can lean into that and hit some big plays.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, they also, if they can continue to be good on third down, absolutely.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_01: They were they were 61% against Dallas, 11 for 18.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_01: I believe they were nine for nine at one point.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_01: So it it sort of maybe sputtered a little bit, but overall they were still very good.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you don't have to be 100%.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody would love that, obviously, but that's just not a reality.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_01: They're getting better though.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_00: That's something that they've struggled with.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_01: I think we mentioned it last week that Matt LaFleur's been good.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_01: Jordan Love has been good.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_01: They've literally led the league for third down percentage together.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_01: So it the the ability is there.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_01: So, like you said, an improvement, and just to keep keep building off of that.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, one more thing.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_00: I think just if special teams, you know, it's kind of been a back and forth.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, Daniel Whelan's been pretty solid the season the whole season.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_00: Trace Mack has kind of been for the most part solid.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_00: He did have a down week against Chicago, bounce back against Dallas.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_00: You're kicking in a dome, so there shouldn't be weather factors at all as far as wind or you know, rain, anything like that.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_00: Who knows?
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe kicks a couple 50 plus yarders this weekend.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_01: He's already done it, so he's got the leg for it.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_01: That you're right.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_01: That special teams and turnovers.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_01: I know we talked about this for Minnesota and Chicago.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_01: Now this is our third division game.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_01: Those are the big swing, you know, sort of boxes that you want to check in in your division games.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_01: Turnovers, special teams, penalties, you know, being able to get off the field, that's gonna be key.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, so while they improved as an offense on third down, we've got to keep doing a good job of getting off the field on third down and getting the ball back for your explosive offense.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_00: I agree.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'm really looking forward to it.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_00: Like you said, strength on strength.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be uh it's gonna be quite the battle on Sunday.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_00: Very much so.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_00: I like I like Green Bay in this one.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_00: I know we keep going back to our uh original season predictions.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_00: I think we gave them a loss here, but just the way the way they're playing right now, if they can limit the penalties, if they can limit the drops, if they can get somewhat of a run game going, I think we come ahead in this one.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_00: Sounds like a lot of ifs.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_00: A few of those I'm confident in that they they can make it happen, but I I want to be with you.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_01: I think we are playing much better.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_01: Optimistically, I know we can win this game.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_01: I think it could be 34-31, maybe a late field goal or a field goal at the end of the half that ends up holding, not obviously not nobody scoring in the second half, but to take maybe a 10-point lead, and then you continue to go back and forth um on offense.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_01: So I I know we're capable.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_01: I I want to say we're we're gonna go in and continue to play well and and come out with a win.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_01: I think that offense at home off a bye.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_01: I think it might just be a little bit too much firepower this week.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_00: That is true.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_00: They are coming off the bye, so they're a little rested up and extra week to prepare.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_01: Again.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'm still not changing my prediction.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_01: That's totally fair.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_01: So collectively, our original prediction was a loss.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_01: You you flipped.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_01: I want to flip, but I think I'm gonna stick with it.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_01: Flip, man.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_01: Come on.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_01: Come on.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_01: I I'm cautiously optimistic that we can win this.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_00: I could see us losing too.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_00: I just I I my heart's telling me we're gonna win.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_00: My head's telling me we're gonna win, my gut's telling me we're gonna win.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_01: I hope you're right.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_01: I very much hope I'm wrong.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_01: Let's make it a four-game win streak.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_01: Let's do it.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_01: I think we can, but I do have it as a loss.
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_01: So we'll see.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_01: We'll we'll see who ends up being right here.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_01: I thought I flipped you.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's close.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_01: You made a very good argument.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, that's that's today's episode.
• 56:07
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• 56:12
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• 56:16
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• 56:18
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