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The Death of Elvis Presley Pt. 4: The Incredible Hulk Investigates (Repost) · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Hey everybody, this is Adam, host of this podcast. Just
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  Speaker 1: here comes that pod.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Conspiracy, the show, the world's most trusted conspiracy
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  Speaker 2: theory podcast with your hosts, Adam Todd Brown and Olivia Haidar.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy, the show. I am your host,
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  Speaker 1: Adam Todd Brown. Joining me as co-host this week, my
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  Speaker 1: favorite co-host of all, no co-host, but I do have
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  Speaker 1: a couple of guests who are my co-hosts on another podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Andy fucking Sell and Travis motherfucking Clark are here.
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  Speaker 3: How's everybody doing? It's great to be here, everybody. Lovely
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  Speaker 3: to see you all.
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  Speaker 4: One, two, three.
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  Speaker 1: Andy and Travis are my co-hosts on a podcast called
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  Speaker 1: You Don't Even Like This Band, where we talk about music,
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  Speaker 1: things of the like, as you'd expect. And they're joining
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  Speaker 1: me this week because I'm wrapping up my four-part investigation.
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  Speaker 1: Into the strange death of Elvis Presley. It's not my investigation.
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  Speaker 1: People have looked into it. It's more my investigation of
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  Speaker 1: the various investigations and the books and all the Elvis
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  Speaker 1: is alive media that's out there. Not all of it.
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  Speaker 1: There's so much.
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  Speaker 4: But I think you could dedicate your entire life to
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  Speaker 4: it and not cover all of it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot to the Elvis conspiracy, sort of. It's
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  Speaker 1: not that there's a lot to the theory behind it.
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  Speaker 1: It's just there's a lot of stuff. Case in point,
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  Speaker 1: we're covering two television specials today.
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  Speaker 3: Two.
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  Speaker 1: The Elvis Files, 1991, and The Elvis Conspiracy, 1992. Both
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  Speaker 1: improbably hosted by Bill Bixby. Half of television's The Incredible Hulk.
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  Speaker 3: Bill Bixby.
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  Speaker 4: Where do you think Lou Ferrigno stands on the Elvis situation?
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  Speaker 1: He should have hosted the second one.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, right?
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  Speaker 3: Or there should have been a scene where somebody in
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  Speaker 3: the audience made Bill Bixby super angry. And then he just.
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  Speaker 4: He just. Turned into.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Do a smoke effect with a mild pyrotechnic and a
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  Speaker 4: trap door. And then Lou Ferrigno comes out.
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  Speaker 3: Close on his eyes with the green lenses.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Rip, you know, bend over with the pre-ripped shirt and
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  Speaker 3: then boom, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Beauty, human, stupid Elvis, dead Elvis, no alive Hulk.
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  Speaker 3: No Hulk friend. Hulk used to do Elvis hair.
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  Speaker 4: Very close. That's a preview.
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  Speaker 1: Both of these television specials come from right before that time,
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  Speaker 1: before the government, very successfully stigmatized the word conspiracy. Now,
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  Speaker 1: this TV special would be on Fox Nation at best,
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  Speaker 1: but probably, I don't know, Newsmax or something.
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  Speaker 3: It's also during a time when this could have been
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  Speaker 3: a flop and $ 20 million. There's only four channels, you know?
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  Speaker 3: And on top of that, there was this other really
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  Speaker 3: weird period of time from the late 80s to the
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  Speaker 3: early 90s where if you were an older actor who
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  Speaker 3: was on a hit TV show, you hosted one of
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  Speaker 3: these call-in conspiracy shows. The guy who played Trapper John
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  Speaker 3: on MASH did a couple about aliens. This is the
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  Speaker 3: retirement fund because everybody's going to pay $ 2 a minute
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  Speaker 3: to tell you their opinion of what they're talking about. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: $ 2 a minute. What do you mean?
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  Speaker 3: That's what the, so during the show, they throw it
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  Speaker 3: up a 900 number, $ 900. Yeah. And you have to
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  Speaker 3: call in to be like, I think Elvis is alive.
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  Speaker 3: Or to be like one guy who's like, I think
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  Speaker 3: Elvis is Howard Stern's penis. Baba Bowie, Baba Bowie, or
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  Speaker 3: whatever he said. He tried to Baba Bowie Bill Bixby.
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  Speaker 4: Wasn't that Howard Stern?
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  Speaker 3: Maybe. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: How do we get that grift going on this podcast
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  Speaker 1: is my question. I want people calling in $ 2 a
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  Speaker 1: minute to give me your opinion. That sounds way better
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  Speaker 1: than just hit us up in the comments. Fuck you.
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  Speaker 1: Give me $ 2 a minute.
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  Speaker 4: $ 2 a minute. I have a longstanding policy of if
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  Speaker 4: you want to know how I feel about a movie,
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  Speaker 4: Venmo me $ 35.
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  Speaker 3: A minute.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's actually a very good policy.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway, I tried calling that 900 number and literally the
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  Speaker 3: recording was you're not allowed to call this number from
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  Speaker 3: your phone. So big cellular is trying to keep the truth.
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  Speaker 1: You have to call from Graceland.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Or Kalamazoo, Michigan.
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  Speaker 1: And that said, I don't necessarily think that was a
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  Speaker 1: worse time. in American history when we were all willing
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  Speaker 1: to talk about stuff like this and do it publicly
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  Speaker 1: and be like, hey, maybe I'm wrong, but let's hear
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  Speaker 1: it out.
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  Speaker 4: Adam, it was a decidedly better time because in the
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  Speaker 4: second one of these, the Elvis Conspiracy Special, they left
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  Speaker 4: the commercials in.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my God, that was the best.
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  Speaker 4: And a cheeseburger was 59 cents at Burger King, so.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Better time.
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  Speaker 1: Undeniably good time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I'm glad you bring that up because I do have
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  Speaker 3: a point about that later.
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  Speaker 4: Is it going to be about the Taco Bell commercial
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  Speaker 4: starring Steve Earle's buddy T. Graham Brown?
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  Speaker 3: The commercials were a fun flashback to a time I
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  Speaker 3: had forgotten.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I remembered all of those commercials.
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  Speaker 2: Same.
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  Speaker 1: Before we get into the specials themselves, what was everyone's
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  Speaker 1: thoughts on Elvis possibly faking his death before you went
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  Speaker 1: into this? Travis, you go first. It sounds like that's
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  Speaker 1: going to happen.
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  Speaker 3: I think that there are. compelling arguments pro i don't
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  Speaker 3: think a lot of them were covered in the special
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  Speaker 3: i think faking maybe more had to disappear more than
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  Speaker 3: faked his death to disappear from the limelight or whatever
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  Speaker 3: the the thing was so i think possible but i
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  Speaker 3: i do feel he passed away in 77 andy how
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  Speaker 3: about you.
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  Speaker 4: The extent of my investment in it at all is
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  Speaker 4: that i love the movie bubba hotep and that's about
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  Speaker 4: it i i I, when it comes to celebrity deaths
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  Speaker 4: and hoaxes, you know, when Jim Morrison or Tupac or whoever,
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  Speaker 4: it's always Kaufman.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It's I'm always, you know, if they, I don't care,
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to go ahead and assume that they're dead.
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  Speaker 4: And if they're not good for them, they fooled me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And if I understand you correctly, you think Elvis faked
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  Speaker 3: his death, but became Tupac is what you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: That makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yes. Yes. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Tupac is Elvis.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Okay. I can't.
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  Speaker 1: I figured it would be a bridge too far in
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  Speaker 1: terms of time expenditure, but I've done three episodes about this.
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  Speaker 1: The past three episodes, they were all solo episodes. And
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  Speaker 1: I do think I've said everyone who listens to this
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  Speaker 1: podcast knows this, but I do think there are a
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  Speaker 1: lot of really compelling coincidences that happen near the end
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  Speaker 1: of Elvis's public life that line up with the This
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  Speaker 1: FBI investigation that he was clearly involved in, that's in
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  Speaker 1: his FBI files. All of that stuff about Frederick Peter Proe,
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  Speaker 1: the guy who scammed him out of $ 400, 000 and an airplane,
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  Speaker 1: that's all in his FBI files. And all the details
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  Speaker 1: of that investigation line up really, really well with Elvis's
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  Speaker 1: death in August 1977. including the part where they presented
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  Speaker 1: that case to the grand jury a day before Elvis died.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: When they get to that timeline stuff, I'm like, okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: maybe there's something to this old Freddie PP story.
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  Speaker 1: In this, they even leave, I think, a really important
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  Speaker 1: part of the timeline out. There's a lot of questions
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  Speaker 1: around Elvis's medical report, the medical examiner's report. And one
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  Speaker 1: of the weird things they leave out of that timeline
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  Speaker 1: is the timing of when that was released. Because They
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  Speaker 1: present this case to a grand jury on or around
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  Speaker 1: August 15th. Elvis dies August 17th. This medical examiner takes
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  Speaker 1: over his autopsy and is like, I have jurisdiction over it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing it. No one else gets to be involved.
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  Speaker 1: And he sits on it, sits on it, sits on it,
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  Speaker 1: sits on it. And then October 19th, 1977, the first
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  Speaker 1: arrests happen in this case. And finally, on October 21st,
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  Speaker 1: they release that medical examiner's report. And from there, the
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  Speaker 1: question becomes not, oh, was Elvis involved in this huge
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  Speaker 1: FBI investigation that we just found out about? It becomes,
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  Speaker 1: did he really die of drugs? Or was it a
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  Speaker 1: heart attack, like the medical examiner says?
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  Speaker 4: I mean.
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  Speaker 1: I accept that they could all just be coincidences, but
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  Speaker 1: I say it all the time. We wouldn't accept it
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  Speaker 1: as a coincidence in a true crime documentary.
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  Speaker 3: No, we'd be interviewing the telephone pole that he passed by.
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  Speaker 3: You know, they go really deep on those things. There's
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  Speaker 3: the strange thing that they talk about Elvis's health. Some
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  Speaker 3: of these people who claim to be close to him
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  Speaker 3: were like, he was so strong. He was going to live.
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  Speaker 4: Forever.
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  Speaker 3: And then other people were like, he was so frail.
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  Speaker 3: He was falling apart.
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  Speaker 4: He was dying.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You're like, what the fuck?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think that actually speaks to there being more
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  Speaker 1: to this because if Elvis did– I don't– fake his
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  Speaker 1: death is a weird way to put it. If he
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  Speaker 1: joined Witness Protection, that's what it would be. He joined
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  Speaker 1: Witness Protection. He didn't fake his death. But the government
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  Speaker 1: would have faked his death for him.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What you have to take into account, if that's really
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  Speaker 1: what happened, it wouldn't be a thing where no one knows.
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  Speaker 1: They wouldn't be able to get away with that. Some
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  Speaker 1: people around Elvis would have to know, and they would
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  Speaker 1: have to play along. And so if there was this
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  Speaker 1: cover story of, oh, his health was declining, he was
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  Speaker 1: way into drugs... And it finally did him in. There's
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  Speaker 1: going to be people who are going to keep pushing
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  Speaker 1: that story because that's their role in it. We know
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  Speaker 1: Elvis made way more money after death than he did
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  Speaker 1: when he was alive. There was plenty of money to
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  Speaker 1: pay people to just lie. To just be like, yeah, man,
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  Speaker 1: Elvis was doing all the fucking drugs. And meanwhile, he
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  Speaker 1: might not have been. That might have been a cover story.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. By the way, I am available for Elvis lie money.
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  Speaker 3: If you want to pay me money to lie about Elvis, please, please.
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  Speaker 4: Either way, too. No, I don't have a team.
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  Speaker 3: Just.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll tell you, Elvis was actually a Yeti that
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  Speaker 3: telekinetically made you think he was a human. I will
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  Speaker 3: 100% back that. Just, you know, put it in the Venmo.
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  Speaker 3: We got it.
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  Speaker 4: If you want to make it more elaborate, I'll say
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  Speaker 4: that he was shaved every day by a team of groomers.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't telekinesis.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, interesting.
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  Speaker 4: He was just a Yeti that had to be shaved
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  Speaker 4: every day.
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  Speaker 1: Well, how about this? He didn't die in 1977, but
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  Speaker 1: he did die with the Heaven's Gate cult in 97.
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  Speaker 3: He did, yeah, after he cut off his own balls.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right. Well, he's Elvis. Someone cut them off for him.
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  Speaker 3: That's true. They shaved them off for him.
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  Speaker 1: You get special privileges when you're a celebrity in a cult.
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  Speaker 3: I need you to take care of my fellows down
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  Speaker 3: there because I need to go join the Hale-Bopp comet.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, what do you think of the Gene Smith thing?
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  Speaker 1: interview he is elvis's cousin who talks about the casket.
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  Speaker 4: He's like a fucking mr show character this guy.
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  Speaker 1: But here's the thing you're just saying that because he's
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  Speaker 1: got a southern accent.
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  Speaker 5: Well yeah it's the way he talks what do you
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  Speaker 5: expect elvis's inner circle to talk like he was from
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  Speaker 5: fucking memphis You want him to be like, well, actually, I.
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  Speaker 1: Approached Elvis's casket and ahoy, ahoy, ahoy, there were sweat
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  Speaker 1: beads on his forehead.
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  Speaker 4: Been to Memphis. Everybody there talks like the Brady Gremlin.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, this guy's going to sound like a fucking
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  Speaker 1: hillbilly when he's talking because he kind of is. But
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  Speaker 1: what about what he's saying? He's not the only one
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  Speaker 1: who's like, man, Elvis looked weird in that casket.
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  Speaker 3: But everybody looks weird in their casket.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly. If you've ever been to an open casket funeral,
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  Speaker 4: it's surreal. Several. It's fucked up. They don't look right.
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  Speaker 1: That's not true.
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  Speaker 4: It's always a weird thing. You go through shock.
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  Speaker 1: That is not always the case. That is absolutely not
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  Speaker 1: always the case that the person doesn't look like... Okay,
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  Speaker 1: why did he have sweat beads on his head?
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  Speaker 4: Because they sprayed it.
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  Speaker 1: What did they spray? Why did they spray his head?
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  Speaker 4: The hairstylist says he had to do it because his
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  Speaker 4: white roots were showing. Because he has white hair and
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  Speaker 4: they had to dye his hair every day.
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  Speaker 1: That's actually a really important detail because Elvis was allegedly
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  Speaker 1: leaving for a tour the day he died. But he
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  Speaker 1: didn't dye his hair before that tour. And he didn't
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  Speaker 1: order any costumes for that tour.
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  Speaker 3: Why? It was a throwback tour. He already had all
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  Speaker 3: the stuff. He already had everything.
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  Speaker 4: It was a nude tour.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like that time Rob Zombie was like, I'm just going
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  Speaker 1: to wear T-shirts and jeans this time. It's like, have
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  Speaker 1: you not been doing that this whole time?
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know. You mean the whole time?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And Elvis did want to go do a couple of
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  Speaker 3: Halloween movies, right? He went and directed a few of those.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. No, he actually was. They made the Michael Myers
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  Speaker 4: mask out of a mold of his face. That's what
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  Speaker 4: it was. That's a common misconception. Everybody thinks it's the
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  Speaker 4: same William Shatner mold.
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  Speaker 2: It is not.
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  Speaker 4: It's Elvis. Yeah, it's an Elvis death mask.
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  Speaker 1: What do we think about his name being misspelled?
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  Speaker 3: I didn't understand that even a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: I just think so much of this stuff, if there
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  Speaker 4: is an actual conspiracy here, if he did join witness
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  Speaker 4: protection and all that, it just feels like there's a
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  Speaker 4: lot of just fucking weirdness to make it confusing.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I think that is very possible that a lot.
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  Speaker 1: And I've said that a bunch in these past three
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  Speaker 1: episodes that I think If this happened, if Elvis joined
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  Speaker 1: Witness Protection, there's absolutely an element to it where people
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  Speaker 1: are just feeding people fake information so they can discredit
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  Speaker 1: them once they put it out. There's a documentary we
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  Speaker 1: bring up all the time on this podcast called Mirage Men.
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  Speaker 1: It's about a guy named Richard Doty, whose entire job
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  Speaker 1: with the government was that. If you were out, say,
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  Speaker 1: near Roswell or something or Area 51, and you took
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  Speaker 1: a picture of something that the government didn't want you
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  Speaker 1: to talk about, Instead of you can't murder everyone. That's
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they could. And I don't know why they don't.
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  Speaker 1: That would just be easier. But what they would do,
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  Speaker 1: what Richard Doty's job would be in that case is
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  Speaker 1: go out to that person and be like, hey, you
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  Speaker 1: have no idea how right you are. Here's some additional information.
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  Speaker 1: And then that information would be complete bullshit. And it
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  Speaker 1: would be very easy to verify that it was complete bullshit.
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  Speaker 1: And they would wait for that person to go public
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  Speaker 1: with that and then come out and be like, See,
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  Speaker 1: this person's a liar. Even though they've never discredited the
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  Speaker 1: first thing, but now that that person has this track
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  Speaker 1: record of putting out false information, you can just be like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you can't believe a word they say. The Gary Webb
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  Speaker 1: CIA selling crack in the United States story is a
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  Speaker 1: great example of that. If you ask history now, most
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  Speaker 1: people will tell you that story was discredited. It was
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  Speaker 1: not discredited. The LA Times and the New York Times
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  Speaker 1: went to the fucking mat to just make it seem
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  Speaker 1: like Gary Webb's reporting wasn't quite what it could have been.
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  Speaker 1: They never took on the actual details of the story
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  Speaker 1: or looked into any of that. It was all, well,
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  Speaker 1: he said they sold a lot of crack in LA,
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  Speaker 1: but it wasn't a lot. Okay, so now that equals discredited? No,
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  Speaker 1: but because the New York Times just came out with
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  Speaker 1: any question at all, Now people are like, yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: that story was proven false, right?
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  Speaker 4: Sure wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: You just got to control the narrative, right? Just so
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  Speaker 3: enough seeds of doubt, everybody's going to go, well, the
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  Speaker 3: whole thing's bullshit.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that I've said before, I think that's
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: kind of how the government approached the internet because the
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: internet was obviously going to be a place where people
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: who had obtained information about government scandals in the past
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: could go and share that with people and if you're
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: the government what do you do do you handle those
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: cases one by one because they're going to get really
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: big really fast on the internet or do you just
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: make this conscious effort to stigmatize the word conspiracy. And
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: now anything that is questioning of the government's official version
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: of events is a conspiracy. There's this RFK Jr. interview
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: out there. I think Andy was on the episode where
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: we talked about it. where this podcast host was just
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: trying to get RFK Jr. to say some conspiracy shit.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: And in the process of that, he's like, so are
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: you saying Al-Qaeda did not do 9-11? Buddy, a lot
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: of people say Al-Qaeda didn't do 9-11. That is not
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: even that much of a conspiracy anymore. Al-Qaeda did 9-11
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: is the justification we use to invade Iraq. A lot
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: of people question that part of the story now, but
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: you can't question things like that anymore without it being conspiracy.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm just– in general, I'm more inclined to believe
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: that kind of stuff about things like 9-11 or Pearl
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: Harbor or the CIA flooding the cities with crack cocaine
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: because those are big, wide– those are institutional things. It's
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: not about one celebrity and their whatever.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, but– All we're talking about here is someone joining
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Witness Protection. I brought up on the last episode, it's
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: not even a conspiracy, really. They're not going to tell you,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: but this isn't a nefarious government doing. If Elvis disappeared
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: the way Gail Brewer-Giorgio and the people who were pushing
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: this theory think, so what? We don't deserve to know.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: That's my ultimate thing with this is just if that's
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: the case and you guys are fans of his, why
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: are you trying to find him? He doesn't want to
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: be found.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: But I'm also just curious if somebody of Elvis's stature
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: publicly wanted to disappear like that. Is that even possible?
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: One of the things that is brought up in a
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: lot of Elvis biographies, it's brought up in all the
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: books about this, is you would think, well, Elvis was
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: so huge and so recognizable, he couldn't even leave the
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: house without being mobbed by people, right? Wrong. Because one,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: there was a huge Elvis impersonator industry way before he died.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: And Elvis talked himself about how all he had to
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: do to go out in public was just aggressively look
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: like Elvis. Big glasses, big sideburns, the whole bit. And
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: he could walk up to a fan and be like, hey,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: I'm actually Elvis. And they'd be like, fuck you. I
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: know Elvis. Elvis went out on a casting call for
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Elvis impersonators once and did not get the job.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: That's amazing.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: He did it as a joke because he was like,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: no way are they going to think actual Elvis showed up.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: And he was right.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: There was a there's a story like that about Dolly Parton,
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: where she went to a Dolly Parton lookalike contest and
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: came in third.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: And it also comes up a lot with a conspiracy
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: like this. People will be like, well, someone would talk.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Someone would say something. And OK, would you believe them
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: if they did? Or do you just think they're lying?
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Lots of people have come forward and said. No, I
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: fucking saw Elvis. I took a picture of Elvis. But
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: you're not going to believe him. Elvis could sit next
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: to you on a plane and be like, listen, time
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: to confess. I fucking faked my death. Here's the proof.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: You're not going to believe him. No one's going to
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: believe anyone who talks about this.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: And that's why when we talk about it being a
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: conspiracy versus it being just a witness protection thing, yeah,
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: the witness protection, the death hoax, whatever, that's not the conspiracy.
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: The conspiracy is all of this other shit that's possibly
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: there to misdirect. And the thing is, who knows how
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: much of it is intentional conspiracy stuff and how much
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: of it is just, well, if you throw a couple
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: conflicting pieces of information out there, it's going to stir
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: up some crazies and that's going to create all the
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: subterfuge you need.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: I think the same thing about all the inconsistencies about
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: his body and what position it was in, what he
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: was wearing, all the stuff about the medical examiner's report.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: I think if this happened, I said this on the
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: last episode, I know I'm repeating a bunch of stuff,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: but I think if this happened, I think if Elvis
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: joined witness protection, all of that is a part of it.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: All of that is just meant to say, well, all right, well,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: how come this person says this about how his body
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: was found? And then this person says this, and this
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: person says this, and then. These medical examiners, he says
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: this about the autopsy. He says this about the autopsy.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: I don't think there was an autopsy. I don't think
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: there was a body found. If he joined witness protection,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: that part is way too elaborate. The easier thing is
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: just pay people to lie. And just tell whatever story
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: you want. Say you found Elvis standing on his fucking head.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: We just need there to be enough confusion that no
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: one knows anything.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: You don't even need to include enough people to risk
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: people knowing stuff to leak because people like Maria Columbus,
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: you just give them a little bit of something to
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: chew on and they will do the work for you.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: They don't need to be clued in. They'll just go
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: out there and create a smoke screen on their own.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Maria Columbus thing. She was the president of
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: the longest running Elvis fan club, and she was in
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: the first the Elvis show. Files documentary, whatever you want
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: to call it. And her whole thing was that Elvis's
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: dad called and said, don't come to the funeral. And
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: I think that was just a grieving father being like,
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: please don't hound me and my family with your weird shit.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: You're already someone I don't really like.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, wait, but why would he do a public viewing
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: if that was the case? You're going to tell the
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: people most likely to be respectful of your wishes not
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: to come, but you're also going to invite the fucking
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: circus to come.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: That's a good point.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: But that wasn't there for the viewing. That was there
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: for the after the viewing, right? Because when she did get.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: There, he wanted them to not come to the public viewing,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: the same public viewing that Elvis's cousin says, man, that
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: didn't look like his body. There's actually a few different
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: people who viewed that body up close and were like,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: doesn't look right. And yeah, her thinking was, well, they
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: didn't want the people who would be most likely to
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: ask questions to show up. And I don't know how
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: you justify, oh, they just wanted privacy at a public viewing.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: I think it's more, we don't want someone who's going
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: to be a disturbance. And I think Maria Columbus And
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: her spin on that is, you know, we're going to
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: ask questions. And I think that it's a grieving father
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: being like, I don't want this. And I think that's
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: a reasonable explanation. Even if there is a little bit
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: of hypocrisy in it. She's a president of a fan club. Yeah,
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't want her there either.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Well, speaking of hypocrisy, if you dig into Elvis's dad's
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: personality and even Elvis's personality, they were not the types
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: who would want a public viewing. Fans be damned. If
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: you don't get to see Elvis's body, you don't get
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: to see Elvis's fucking body. The fact that there was
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: a public viewing at all, one, and that they arranged
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: it as fast as they did is... strange to me
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: because they had that public viewing ready to go by
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: 11 a.m. the next day. And what's the rush? What
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: is the rush to get Elvis's body in front of people,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: but also tell his biggest fans don't come?
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. Just stuff like that never convinces
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: me because it's just people make weird choices. There's stuff
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: that doesn't make sense when things like this happen. People
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: aren't thinking clearly a lot of the time, you know.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: But let's go back to the name on the gravestone. Yes. OK,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: so people aren't thinking clearly in the moment. This is
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: a typo. Why wouldn't you fix it?
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that feels like an easy fix. You got the
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: new headstone guy. He's just like, what's the middle name?
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: Aaron?
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: I know how to spell Aaron. You got it. And
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: then puts one too many A's in there. And yeah,
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: you could fix that. I don't know why they haven't
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: fixed it.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: The gravestone thing is confusing for a number of reasons because, yeah,
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: you could fix it easy. But also, if it's part
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: of a conspiracy, why still why not fix it? That's
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: the stuff that's confusing. I think it's the numerology shit.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: No, see, I think... I don't know. I've I mentioned
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: this before. I didn't go into any of the numerology
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: stuff because I don't buy it. I think Gail Brewer-Giorgio
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: was on the right track in her first book where
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: she explains that the reason Elvis would not put his
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: actual name on a gravestone is just religious superstition. His
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: family was super religious, very superstitious. And the idea of
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: putting a living son's name on a gravestone would just
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: be tempting fate in a way they weren't willing to
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: tempt fate. There are other plaques at Graceland that say
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Elvis Aaron Presley with one A.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: It's, Everywhere else, his name is spelled with one A,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: but one on his gravestone, it's spelled incorrectly. And also,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: his gravestone isn't where he said he wanted to be buried.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: He said he wanted to be buried next to his mom.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: And instead, his gravestone is between his dad and his grandmother.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Why would you just ignore Elvis's wishes in that moment
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: and just put him somewhere else? Else, is it likely
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: that they would fuck that up also and never fix it?
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's such a big debacle at some point.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Is it just it's more embarrassing to fix it than
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: to leave it?
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: How would it be more embarrassing to fix it?
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: Well, it's like when you spill something.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: You're admitting you fucked up.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: And then you try to wash it off with water
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: and it just makes it look worse. And next thing
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: you know, you have a big stain on your shirt
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: as opposed to just the little one that would have
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: been there.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: You think they would have been embarrassed by fixing the
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: name on the gravestone?
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Not really. I can't figure out.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: I'm just playing Travis Advocate.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: Thank you for once. I'm just curious what the numerology.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: I didn't understand what the numerology thing even was trying
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: to say.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: I don't either.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Gail is right. If Elvis was into numbers the way
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: people say he was, and it does seem like he was.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: People are into numerology. Elvis was into all sorts of
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: weird spiritual stuff.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: Weird stuff.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: Elvis was paranoid as fuck, too, by the end of
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: his life.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, man. My favorite Tool album is
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Letter Alice because I like all the weird Tom signatures
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: in it.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Now, how did Elvis say that if that Tool album
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: wasn't even out when he died?
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Travis.
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: He described the Alex Gray artwork and the packaging of
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: that album to a T in a little fold-out slipcase. And,
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: you know, there's a little hologram effect.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: You're going to get a headache if you stare at
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: it for a long time, but it's going to be
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: a headache you like.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: What did we think about the handwriting analysis?
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: That was fucking weird. And here's the thing where I
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: thought about it. It seemed very convincing that the death
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: certificate and the, and Elvis was written in Elvis's handwriting.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: In which case, how bad of a coverup were they
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: doing where it was like, yeah, right. Hold on. Let
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: me get a piece of paper real quick. So died
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: this way. Everybody done. Hold on. Let me assign this
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: John Burroughs.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: Exactly how I normally start.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: Anytime they do the handwriting shit, I don't care. This
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: doesn't mean anything.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: I get that it's not conclusive proof, but it's strange.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not a handwriting expert, but I don't. And this
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: takes me back to the question I always have.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: Who would you believe?
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Who would it take to look at this and be like, yeah,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: that's fucking Elvis's handwriting. Well, who would you need to
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: convince you of that?
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: Within handwriting analysis circles, there's often disagreement, right? Authorities will
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: come in and debunk other authorities in the area. And
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: even in this. The first one, we had that handwriting
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: analysis that's like, oh yeah, this is the same guy.
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: And then in Elvis Conspiracy, somebody's like, well, this matches
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: and this matches, but this doesn't match and that's important.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: So it's not the same guy. Yeah.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: In the second one, the lady goes, it's an 80% match.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: You're like, oh shit, she's saying it's Elvis. And she goes,
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: so it's two different people.
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: It's not Elvis.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: It's an 80% match, but it's two different people. What
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: methodology are you using here?
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: If there's anything I learned from the movie Zodiac, it's
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: that handwriting stuff is a quest.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: And they don't ever, I think, convincingly prove that it's
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: his handwriting. I find the thing about him filling out
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: his own medical report a little far-fetched. I think the
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: part where if he was involved in an FBI investigation
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: and joined Witness Protection, I don't find the part where
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: he would have corrected the suspect's name on a document
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: in his own handwriting. I don't find that convincing.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: No, he's got to have a handler that's like, all right, Elvis,
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: I get that you think you're an agent. Pump your brakes, buddy.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: Stop writing on shit.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, somebody would have to go, you know, this is
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: easily provable that this is your handwriting. Maybe let me
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: write the desert ticket for you, buddy. Let me I'll
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: fill it out for you.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't get to it in this documentary. But
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: what is everyone's thoughts on Elvis having a DEA badge?
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Well, he had one.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. It's not a question of whether
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: he had one. It's a question of how serious he was.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: I think he's like Steven Seagal. I think he really
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: wants to be a cop, but everybody's sort of like, yeah,
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: you're a cop, sure. Okay. I think it's all honorary.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Where's the hundreds of pages in Steven Seagal's FBI files
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: about him assisting the DEA and the FBI in investigations?
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: Have you not seen Steven Seagal Lawman, which is an
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: entire series about him?
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: You're basing that- on your feelings about Steven Seagal and
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: not about what you've actually looked into or read about Elvis.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: And I think that is a leap a lot of
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: people immediately make is, oh, well, it was just honorary.
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Elvis had, he was also a member in good standing
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: of the California Narcotics Officers Association. And that was also
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: just honorary. He went and visited the FBI the same
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: month he went and visited the Nixon White House and
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: they thanked him for his assistance in or his offer
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: of confidential assistance to the FBI, you think Elvis was
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: lying about wanting to be a cop?
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: No, I don't think he was lying about wanting to
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: be a cop. I think he very earnestly wanted to
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: be a cop. And I think that because he was Elvis,
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: these different organizations, would let him do ride-alongs, essentially, and
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: be involved in things. And when it comes to documents, yeah,
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: the FBI was spying on fucking everybody. Of course there's documents.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: But it's not them spying. It's legal files about a
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: fucking investigation he was involved in. It's not them spying.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: Well, that's are you talking about the Freddie PP stuff? Yeah.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's because that was he was swindled. He
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: was conned. So that's a case that directly involves him. So,
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: of course, yeah, there's documentation of that. He's a witness.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: He's a whatever. I think that I just don't I
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: don't think that I think beyond that, it's all it's honorary.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: I don't think that he I think it's a mix,
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure it's a mix, but a mix is
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: still a mix. And if it's a mix, part of
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: that mix is Elvis was a cop. I just, I
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: get really frustrated when it comes to Occam's razor because
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: people will throw Occam's razor in my face whenever it's convenient.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: But in a moment like this, Elvis got a DEA badge.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: What's the most likely outcome of that? What's the most
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: likely explanation? What's the explanation that requires the fewest leaps
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: in logic? So Elvis got a DEA badge because Elvis
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: was DEA.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but he didn't go through the training. How do
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: you know? He didn't become like, he wasn't being sent
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: out on operations.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: How do you know that? He visited the Nixon White
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: House in December 1970. Go look at Elvis's career timelines.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: He does nothing for the next year and a half
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: and then finally gets his DEA badge like a year
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: and a half later. What was he doing in between
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: those two things that he finally got that badge that
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: he asked for a year and a half earlier? What
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: was happening?
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: There's a point in the Elvis conspiracy special where they
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: ask somebody, you know, does he go visit or did
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: he ever visit so-and-so? Did he take a year off
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: to do this or that? And someone's like, no, he
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: was always under the public eye. He wouldn't have been
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: able to do any of this stuff. And I agree
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: with that. I don't I think that him visiting the
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: Nixon White House is proof of exactly nothing. Celebrities visit presidents.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: I and I don't dispute the letter he wrote to
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: Nixon where he said, delusionally says that he has an
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: in with youth culture in the 1970s. How did he not?
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: Nobody had less of an in with youth culture in
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: the 1970s than Elvis Presley. Youth in the 1970s?
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: You don't fucking know that. And what? How would he
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: not have an in? You honestly... Okay. Do you think
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: if Taylor Swift wrote a fucking letter to the president
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: and was like, look, I'll spy on motherfuckers for you.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: I love this country that much. You think they'd be like... Okay,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: thank you, Ms. Swift, for your offer, but we got this.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Fuck no.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: They would absolutely take her up on that. And they
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: would absolutely, especially at the dawn of the war on drugs,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Nixon announced the war on drugs and Elvis said, immediately
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: swings into action and offers to help. And you honestly
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: think the American government would say no? Why?
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: He lists, I don't think the American government would say no.
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: I just, I don't think that he would be effective
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: in any way. I don't, he talks about the SDS
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: and the Black Panthers trusting him. No, they fucking wouldn't.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: Are you kidding me?
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, he was delusional about that, but that's not who
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: he went after.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, he went after the fraternity. the comic book
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: organized crime syndicate.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: They exist. I mean, they were a real thing.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and if they.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know why that's a comic book.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: Just the way it's described, it's the 30 or 40
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: best con men in the world.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Maybe it is.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: I'm not denying they exist. I'm just saying that I
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: don't know if I trust this Luc Dion guy as
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: some kind of authority. They say he's a Quebec political advisor.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: There's FBI files about that whole investigation.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: Well, clearly you've done research that I haven't done. I'm
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: just saying based on the information provided in these specials,
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: it all just seems like a lot of contradictory, confusing stuff,
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: which is, yeah, I think that's intentional. It's subterfuge. I
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: just think Elvis was a narc. Sure. Was he some
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: kind of secret agent? No, I think it's more likely
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: that he testified against these guys and out of fear
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: of reprisals went into hiding you.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Are saying essentially the same thing yeah.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: I just think that when we start pointing at a
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: bunch of stuff people are grabbing shit and running all
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: the way to the fucking end zone.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: With it i have a question about the badges though
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: and adam it seems like you probably know this or
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: at least have more research on this Was he collecting
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: badges from different agencies or was he targeting ones like
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: the DEA one? Because I think that says a lot
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: more about his state of mind. If he just loved
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: law enforcement and was collecting badges like check-in badges on Yelp,
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: then he's just a collector. But if he was like,
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: I only want this DEA one and I only want
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: this California narcotics one.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: All of his badges were drug related, every single one.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: And when he wrote this letter to Nixon, one of
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: the things they mentioned is, or one of the things
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: he mentioned is, that he had been nominated one of
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: the outstanding young men for 1971. And I was like,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: what the fuck does that mean? And I looked into it.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: For one, George Bush is the one who awarded him
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: that certificate. So now it's a conspiracy. George Bush.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Interesting.
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: But you know what? Say no more.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: But he also got that nomination. He was sponsored for
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: it by the former sheriff of Memphis, for his work
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: in the field of drugs. So what was Elvis doing
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: in the field of drugs that the same sheriff who
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: nominated him for this award, who also escorted him to
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: FBI headquarters to offer his assistance there, what did Elvis
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: do in the field of drugs to get on the
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: sheriff of Memphis is good side. And that's all right
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: before he starts going out and requesting DEA badges. I
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: feel like he was doing side hustle cop shit before
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: he even approached the white house.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: That's interesting because if he's just a law enforcement fan broadly,
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: then it'd be like, Oh, I want an NYPD badge.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: I want an LAPD. Like he wants badges from different things.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: But the fact that he's targeting these particular, I think
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: it says a lot about at least how he viewed himself.
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: He has a focus for sure. What is exactly again,
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: you're coming at this with so much more information than
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: I am, Adam. I so much of this was frustrating
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: for me to watch because it felt like there wasn't
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: any clear context to most of it. It was a
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: lot of little bits of information and a lot of
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: conjectures and assumptions made about that information that I didn't
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: see any other groundwork on. And then occasionally something would
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: be referenced where I would be like, okay, but you
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: didn't talk about that. And this person has a different
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: story than that person. So it was frustrating for me.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: But what I don't know and what I'm curious about
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: then is what the fuck exactly was Elvis's problem with weed?
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: Why did he want to aid this shit so much?
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: I think Elvis... In his mind was just a patriot.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I think people underestimate how much Elvis loved law enforcement
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: and how much he loved his country. And he says
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: it right in that letter. These people view you as
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: the establishment. but I view you as America. And I
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: think when Nixon made that announcement about the war on drugs,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: I think something went off in Elvis's head. And he
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: was like, shit, everyone around me is doing drugs. I
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: bet I can fucking help with that. And what's interesting
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: to me is one, Elvis didn't do illegal drugs. We
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: know he did a ton of drugs, but do we
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: know he did a ton of drugs? Because all the
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: prescription stuff kind of starts after he starts reaching out,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: trying to get DEA badges. And on the second Elvis episode,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: I covered this ABC 2020 report from back, after he died. 1978,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: I think it came out. And hosted by Geraldo Rivera,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: so I don't trust it a bit. But one thing
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: that's interesting is the whole focus of that report is
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: how Elvis had all these doctors around him who were
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: writing prescriptions illegally.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: Well, that sounds familiar.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: What are the chances that was one of the things
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Elvis was looking into? Instead of Elvis... Because... I know
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: this part sounds fucking nuts and I don't know how
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: much I trust it, but there are people in different
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Elvis biographies, people in his inner circle who swear he
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: would pretend to be high, but not really be high.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: And it was like he was just spying on the room.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: One of his stepbrothers talks about how Elvis could be
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: talking to you and reading someone's lips across the room.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: He just had this ability to know everything that was
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: happening in the room. And I think it's because he
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: just got off on cop shit.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, ACAB includes Elvis. Don't get me wrong.
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: ACAB includes Elvis. Absolutely.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: For real.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: But I think you can't underestimate that part. I think
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Elvis was just fascinated with law enforcement. There's a story
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: out there. You can Google Elvis Hamburger James.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: What?
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Wait, like the comedian hamburger? What? Never mind. Never mind.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Hamburger.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: Hamburger.