Latest / In Focus with Carolyn Hutcheson / Jake Tiger Seminole - TPR's In Focus - Nov. 10, 2026
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- 0:09research related to the Wiregrass region. More information at troy.edu/wiregrassarchives.
- 0:18From Troy Public Radio, this is
- 0:22In Focus, and I'm Carolyn Hutcheson.
- 0:25Seminole textile artist Jake Tiger returns
- 0:29to In Focus focus during Native American Heritage Month to discuss
- 0:34his tribal ties to Alabama and his upcoming appearance
- 0:38at the Alabama Department of Archives and History on November
- 0:4314th. The grand opening of the First Peoples of Alabama
- 0:47exhibit and the Native American Art Festival will
- 0:50feature Jake's presentation at noon.
- 0:58Jake Tiger, welcome back to Troy Public Radio.
- 1:01Thank you for having me on. Jake, when were American Indians
- 1:05declared U.S. citizens? The Citizenship Act
- 1:09that came out in, in 1924 for American Indians were
- 1:13labeled as American citizens. So for that whole time period from
- 1:171776, where we talk about independence
- 1:20from how this country was founded, but it was really just set aside for rich
- 1:24landowners. It wasn't for common farmers.
- 1:27From the time from 1776 to 1924,
- 1:30American Indians were not seen as essentially human
- 1:34beings or citizens of this country,
- 1:38because that was a whole process of extermination and assimilation.
- 1:43You're a textile artist, and growing up in Oklahoma, who influenced
- 1:48you? So I was around a lot of great influences.
- 1:52Number one was my grandfather, who did living history
- 1:56and kind of got it started with a few others here in Oklahoma about
- 2:01early 19th century Seminole clothing and material
- 2:06culture. And he also served on our general council and as a band chief
- 2:10for 40-plus years. And so that's kind of where that
- 2:13got started. And I also have a lot of my elders around me
- 2:17that are still around from my grandpa's time.
- 2:20It's my mother and my father that also dwelled
- 2:24into that as well. I just listen to what everybody is talking about within the
- 2:28community, and I'm a firm believer of if you
- 2:31don't tell the story, it'll die out with you. And from us, from an
- 2:35American Indian standpoint, we've lost a lot because we're not people
- 2:39that wrote down our history. It's all communal through oral history.
- 2:43And so I got to take all these stories and just keep throwing them out
- 2:47there so people know our side of the story and how history actually was
- 2:51conducted. You have been starring in a number
- 2:55of documentaries. What's coming up next? The one that's
- 2:59coming up next is a film for Jim Boy. We filmed that in
- 3:03Alabama, and we were just all over the place. And it
- 3:07was just about maybe 2 days of filming, but we were up
- 3:11from 6 AM and getting back to our hotel about 8 o'clock at night.
- 3:15We got a lot of great footage. I mean, we met quite a few people
- 3:19on there and it gave us a lot of insight. I've been fortunate to have
- 3:22been a part of a lot of historical things that have happened. In 2022,
- 3:26I was the youngest person of our delegation of the Oklahoma Seminoles
- 3:31that went to Florida during the Seminole War Convocation. We kind
- 3:35of had this formal meeting between the Seminole Nation of Oklahoma
- 3:39and the Seminole Tribe of Florida. That was probably one of the things I'm
- 3:44most pleased with being part of that. And so far, we have a
- 3:48lot of friends from the Seminole Tribe of Florida that come down to Oklahoma pretty
- 3:52often. And I go there back and forth. So it's
- 3:56a really fascinating thing to see. It sounds like you found
- 4:00kinship there, a kinship of spirit. And along
- 4:04that line, I am wondering, since you do spend so much
- 4:07time in the Southeast in these films, you also
- 4:11work with museums. Do you feel a kinship with
- 4:14this part of the country? Absolutely.
- 4:17When I go down to the Southeast, of course, like I said, I've been in
- 4:21Oklahoma my entire life, so I do love Oklahoma and I love the environment
- 4:25and the culture out here. But when I go to my traditional homelands of
- 4:30the Southeast, or I go up to, with my other tribe,
- 4:33the Red Lake Ojibwe or the Saginaw Fox, and I go up to the
- 4:37northern part of the country to Red Lake in Minnesota,
- 4:41I feel this kind of just sense of calmness in a way,
- 4:44because it's kind of like walking into a past life, like this
- 4:48kind of déjà vu. And it just feels so much more relaxed.
- 4:52And it's a serene feeling being back in the homelands.
- 4:56How do you feel when you go to Horseshoe Bend? So I actually
- 5:00went to Horseshoe Bend for the first time this year. I went out there for
- 5:03the battle anniversary and I was teaching out there.
- 5:07We had a couple of schools that came by on that Thursday and Friday and
- 5:11We had the general public on Saturday, and that was a
- 5:15different feeling because when you go to these places of atrocity
- 5:19through warfare and you see what had happened to these people,
- 5:23a lot of times when we look at wars, we just think about how
- 5:27it affected the men on the battlefield. But Horseshoe Bend was a lot
- 5:31different because there were children and women and elders that were
- 5:34slaughtered there as well. I had that same feeling when I go to Florida and
- 5:39I just think about— not try to romanticize it because a
- 5:43lot of times I do think that films and reenactments just
- 5:47throw around this kind of pride of warfare and unconquered spirit,
- 5:51but we have to think about what they were fighting for. From the American Indian
- 5:56standpoint, from the Muskogean Seminole, they were fighting for their own sovereignty,
- 6:00their inherent right. They were fighting for their families and their land
- 6:04and lastly themselves. It's a different feeling when you go to these different battle
- 6:09sites in the Southeast. Jake, you're a member
- 6:12of the Bear Clan. What does that mean? The Bear
- 6:15Clan is actually, it's a matrilineal, right?
- 6:18So I get that through my mother and she gets it from her mother and
- 6:22it's so on and so on. I wouldn't say all the tribes east
- 6:26of the Mississippi are matrilineal, but a good portion of them are. And that's
- 6:31probably one of the most important things as American Indians for us is our clans.
- 6:35That's kind of our form of identification. I come from the Bear
- 6:39Clan and from the Thomas Palmer Band of the Seminole Nation.
- 6:43When we think of Indian culture, a lot of people don't know much about
- 6:47it, and we see movies, we see different things in the
- 6:50media. What do you think we need to know to
- 6:54recognize authentic Native American culture?
- 6:58One thing I get all the time is still
- 7:01people see me do living history and they'll ask me if we
- 7:05lived in teepees and if we still do, and I say
- 7:09no, and it kind of baffles me. Then I think about how much film
- 7:14and media was being produced in the 20th century, and even up
- 7:18till now, it drives me nuts when I see a film that includes American Indians.
- 7:21And of course we need American Indians represented in film instead
- 7:26of getting non-Native actors, but A lot of times when they try to do historical
- 7:30films about American Indians, it is just awful
- 7:34when I see— and I don't mean to put anybody down, but the most recent
- 7:38film, Young Washington, that might have been the worst I've seen.
- 7:41I see a lot of people right now talking about Young Washington and how much
- 7:45they love it because it has this kind of romanticization about patriotism in
- 7:50terms of material culture and how they portrayed the American Indians. During that
- 7:55time period. It was completely wrong, and it's going to get a lot of people
- 7:58confused when they see how we conduct ourselves and how we dress.
- 8:02I think there's a lot of work that needs to be done. People not just
- 8:06throwing out this narrative of what they want to romanticize
- 8:10and, and have this kind of fantasy world and show people what it actually is.
- 8:14I think you're doing your part to straighten out the misconceptions.
- 8:18Well, I sure do appreciate that. I'm trying my best.
- 8:22Jake, is there anything else you'd like your listeners to know right now?
- 8:26Yeah, I'm in Alabama very frequently, not only just
- 8:29working this portion of Alabama. If there's a big event
- 8:34that has American Indian interpretation, I'll most likely be out there. And of course,
- 8:38you can see some of my work over at the Alabama Department
- 8:41of Archives and History. I have 2 Muskogean outfits
- 8:45over there, and they're actually doing a big opening on
- 8:49November 14th this year. I made an outfit from 1790,
- 8:53and then I made another outfit from 1825.
- 8:56Well, Jake, thank you so much for your visit today.
- 9:00Absolutely. Thank you so much for having me on. And anytime you guys need
- 9:04me, I'll, I'll put you guys down as my first priority. That was
- 9:08Jake Tiger, Seminole textile artist, who will
- 9:12appear at noon at the November 14th grand opening
- 9:16of the First Peoples of Alabama exhibit and Native
- 9:21American Art Festival at the Alabama Department of Archives
- 9:24and History. More information about the event can
- 9:28be found at the archives.alabama.gov website.
- 9:33Thanks for joining us for In Focus, which is a podcast
- 9:37wherever you get your podcasts, and feel free to get in touch by email
- 9:42at infocus@troy.edu. I'm Carolyn
- 9:46Hutcheson, and this is listener-supported Troy
- 9:49Public Radio.