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How To Fight For Your Community | Wayne Forrest · Chris Thrall's Bought the T-Shirt Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello friends. I'm your host, Chris Throuw.
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Speaker 2: I'm a former Raweries commando.
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Speaker 3: I've adventured for better and sometimes worse, across eighty countries
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Speaker 3: on all seven continents.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Port the t Shirt Podcast. Wayne, How
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Speaker 2: are you mate?
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Speaker 1: I'm great, Thanks Chris. Yes, I'm looking forward to.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and I can hear you fine. Fine. By
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Speaker 2: the way, So how's New Zealand? I traveled around New
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Speaker 2: Zealand in my mates. He had a tiny Toyota we
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Speaker 2: call it a fish van here. It's like the smallest
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Speaker 2: Toyota van. And he turned it into a camper like
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Speaker 2: for surfing and everything. And I had a wonderful time
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Speaker 2: in your neck of the woods just driving around and
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Speaker 2: kaya Kura is it where the seat seals are? And
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Speaker 2: the Rota with the volcanic action and of course the
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Speaker 2: famous surf breaker Raglan. And we were saying, wasn't it
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Speaker 2: you had it quite Not to put too fine a
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Speaker 2: point on that, you guys had it pretty bad during
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Speaker 2: the I even hate to use the word pandemic, but
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Speaker 2: what what the media called a pandemic?
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Speaker 1: Let's say, yeah, yeah, we we have were locked up
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Speaker 1: and isolated for a while. Yeah, and it's from my
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Speaker 1: point of view, has really hurt our country financially as
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Speaker 1: well as well as depends on what side of the
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Speaker 1: coin you were. For me, it was quite challenging because
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Speaker 1: I decided that I wasn't going to get the jib
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Speaker 1: as we say, all the vaccine.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, good man, good man, it's just funny way. And
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Speaker 2: I'll come and I tell you briefly about my story
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Speaker 2: in a bit, just so you know what, you know
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Speaker 2: what where I'm coming. But yeah, I really stopped. I
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Speaker 2: have my enlightenment epiphany, you know, nineteen ninety seven, after
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Speaker 2: chronic chronic drug addiction. But funnily enough, I didn't actually
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Speaker 2: wake up until two thousand and five, which is after
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Speaker 2: what we say on this show what happened in New
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Speaker 2: York and Washington back twenty years ago, that big event,
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Speaker 2: and a university lecturers said to me, he said, Chris,
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Speaker 2: if you checked out this sort of thing, And what
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Speaker 2: I'm getting at is it revolutionized how I interact with
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Speaker 2: the universe. Everything became different way. And when it comes
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Speaker 2: to the old medical stuff, we're very limited what we
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Speaker 2: can say here. I normally go to a platform called
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Speaker 2: locals because there's a link for locals on the screen. Folks,
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Speaker 2: it's our free speech platform. They don't mind what we
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Speaker 2: say over there. But you know, the whole medical thing,
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Speaker 2: you just I mean, I haven't been ill since two
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Speaker 2: thousand three, and the media, you know, nobody's interested in that,
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Speaker 2: which I find that's bizarre. Surely, if you've got people
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Speaker 2: that never get sick, you should be asking them, you know,
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Speaker 2: how do you live your life? What do you eat?
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Speaker 2: What do you exercise? But sorry, I don't want to
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Speaker 2: go on too long. I'm going to just go to
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Speaker 2: the wonderful pdf you sent me Wayne and read from here,
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Speaker 2: so I don't do you an injustice. Wayne Forrest is
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Speaker 2: a certified mastery consultant, motivational speaker, life coach, author, and
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Speaker 2: ted X speaker. A former farmer and rugby player, Wayne's
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Speaker 2: life change forever at twenty five when a split second
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Speaker 2: decision on the rugby field left him with a dislocated neck.
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Speaker 2: Rushed to hospital, he woke up five days later paralyzed
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Speaker 2: from the neck down. Despite this, Wayne, you've turned your
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Speaker 2: story into a You've turned your experience into a powerful
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Speaker 2: story of resilience. You've regained mobility, or certain mobility, and
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to read off the screen anymore. But
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Speaker 2: from what we've chatted, I also know you and I
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Speaker 2: we've kind of, you know, landed in the same areas
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Speaker 2: even though we've never met. Through our life journey, the
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Speaker 2: warrior journey, which I'm always saying to people, you're born
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Speaker 2: a legend, you die a legend, is you've got to
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Speaker 2: realize that that bit that society tries to kill in between,
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Speaker 2: You've got to realize you're a legend for that bit, folks,
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Speaker 2: you know. So, without further ado, Wayne, can you tell
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Speaker 2: us a brief bit about your accident or does that
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Speaker 2: retraumatize you talking about it?
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Speaker 1: I'm not these days, christ and I has been thirty years.
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Speaker 1: I'm one of those people that analyze things anyway and
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Speaker 1: talk about things, so so I'm pretty open book. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it was. It was pretty devastating, though. You know, I
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Speaker 1: was a real fat, sort of active guy that I
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Speaker 1: could share sheep. I'd share three fifty a day. If
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Speaker 1: you know anything about cutting the wall off sheep, it's
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Speaker 1: it's like three marathons in a day. So really independent
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Speaker 1: physically and young, and all of a sudden, in a
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Speaker 1: split second, I was paralyzed from a mistake that I
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Speaker 1: did on a rugby field, And yeah, I can remember
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Speaker 1: waking up going, oh, please let it be an accident,
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Speaker 1: a bad dream, you know, and it wasn't. There was
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Speaker 1: plenty of moments there that I felt like, oh God,
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Speaker 1: am I going to survive this? And you have to
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Speaker 1: come from this of you know, one minute, you're so
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Speaker 1: physical and you've got a bit of ego male, you know,
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Speaker 1: brought up on a farming background and horses and you
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Speaker 1: know a bit of a cowboy and playing rugby and
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Speaker 1: tough man image, and then all of a sudden you're
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Speaker 1: broken or physically disabled or I'm not able to do
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Speaker 1: the things you once loved. And yeah, it was a
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Speaker 1: lot of tough moments. I was married. I had twin
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Speaker 1: daughters of sixteen months at the time, so my marriage
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Speaker 1: didn't survive, but I realized it was never meant to.
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Speaker 1: And I've got now two beautiful thirty thirty two year
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Speaker 1: olds with five grandchildren and a sixteen year old and
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Speaker 1: an eighteen year old. So life, you know, somehow I
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Speaker 1: managed to find and carve out some sort of identity
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Speaker 1: in a life after that accident.
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Speaker 2: After your accident, then did you find yourself self medicating
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Speaker 2: waye with with with booze or anything.
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Speaker 1: That's funny you bringing that up, because I've been I've
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Speaker 1: been really looking at that just recently. And and yes,
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Speaker 1: the short answer is I went to alcohol because they
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Speaker 1: made me happy and it made me social, so being
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Speaker 1: around others, I uh, you know, I could forget my
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Speaker 1: problems and I was I don't know if you like
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Speaker 1: to call it lucky or not, but alcohol I could handle.
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Speaker 1: And so I wouldn't say I was an alcoholic, but
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Speaker 1: I was definitely drinking, drinking heavy and until my body
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Speaker 1: pretty much told me to stop. And then the next
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Speaker 1: addiction was then moved into the good old peo are
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Speaker 1: in arm and and that was my next escape, you know,
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Speaker 1: I could escape into a fantasy world of such. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: there's definitely it's interesting how we, I suppose, cover up
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Speaker 1: how we feel that trauma, you know, the we we don't.
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Speaker 1: We've been taught as men to not look at it,
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Speaker 1: you know, and and you know we're tough, strong, we're
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Speaker 1: you know, meant to be the tough man, and you
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Speaker 1: know we're not allowed to feel that emotion that is painful,
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Speaker 1: and so we push it down and we push it
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Speaker 1: down and we push it down until we then look
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Speaker 1: at ways to cover it up by alcohol, drugs and
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Speaker 1: other addictions.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean, you're very brave that folks. I'm just
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Speaker 2: going to refer to as the p O r N.
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Speaker 2: It's something that really didn't get discussed until fairly recently
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Speaker 2: in society, and by that I'm talking spiritual society. I
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Speaker 2: mean it's the spiritual that sounds a bit naf, doesn't it.
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Speaker 2: It's the freedom warriors that have of bringing this to
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Speaker 2: the surface. The damage it does to society where it
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Speaker 2: came from in the first place probably won't surprise a
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Speaker 2: lot of people to know. And we're not going to
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Speaker 2: go there. But you know, Hollywood's you understand the origins
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Speaker 2: of Hollywood. Not a lot of good comes that seems
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Speaker 2: to come out of it. But it's also that that
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Speaker 2: stuff really gets you when you're living a downward you know,
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Speaker 2: on the downward spiral, when your bodies chemicals are not
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Speaker 2: in you know, you're not having your KUNDERLINI, you're not
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Speaker 2: you're not living with spirit or in spirit. My gosh,
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Speaker 2: you get these urgent and they're so frigging animalistic, and
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Speaker 2: when you refine things, they go away. It's it's it's
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Speaker 2: it's amazing, and like you're literally not even thinking about
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Speaker 2: that in in your life except when you want to
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Speaker 2: get intimate with a partner. But before we come onto
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Speaker 2: that way and can we also highlight the dangers of
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Speaker 2: prescription medication in this case, I'm thinking painkillers because I'd
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Speaker 2: imagine with an accident like yours, that kind of opiate
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Speaker 2: type medication was prescribed here earlier.
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Speaker 1: On of course, I I never really went there. I looked.
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Speaker 1: I was always looking forward that it became my drug.
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Speaker 1: I was quite lucky. And their aspict so my so
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Speaker 1: called addictions if you like to call them, there like alcohol,
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Speaker 1: and that was that was an escape of how I
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Speaker 1: was truly feeling, you know, that emptyness within me, and
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Speaker 1: that was probably well, I know it was there before
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Speaker 1: my accident. We have and we've talked about this a
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Speaker 1: little bit. You know, we all know that we had
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Speaker 1: some sort of trauma as growing up where we couldn't explain, right,
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Speaker 1: and that feeling of I'm not enough in some way, right,
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Speaker 1: especially men, and we're just talking about this before you
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Speaker 1: know that, then my trauma of having an accident just
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Speaker 1: highlighted that pain, right, It just built on top of it.
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Speaker 1: I also think that same pain created my accident. I
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Speaker 1: know exactly what I was thinking on a couple of
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Speaker 1: moments before I had my accident, and it was me
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Speaker 1: putting myself in danger because I had approved everyone else
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Speaker 1: I was something that I wasn't, you know, and that
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Speaker 1: comes from their voice of I'm not enough, and so yeah,
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Speaker 1: just sorry. I went off task a little bit for you,
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Speaker 1: but for me, I wasn't. It wasn't pain the addiction
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Speaker 1: I My addiction was then, luckily to look forward and
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Speaker 1: create something in my life. But I was using other
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Speaker 1: means to cover up how I was feeling. Did down
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Speaker 1: inside me that make sinse Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. The reason I mentioned it is I was not
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Speaker 2: paralyzed extent you were, Wayne, but I was paralyzed in
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Speaker 2: the fact that I couldn't get out of bed for
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Speaker 2: the best part of a year. Once I ruptured one
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Speaker 2: of my lower disks and I was I was in
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Speaker 2: such pain. I was drinking the strongest lagger you could
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Speaker 2: buy here, which is a Polish lager. It's not percent.
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Speaker 2: I was drinking that for breakfast and washing down. As
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Speaker 2: you know, the gps here were very reluctant to prescribe
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Speaker 2: very much medicine initially because they just thought, oh, he's
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Speaker 2: got a bad back. They didn't understand the level of
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Speaker 2: pain I was in, and so in order to kind
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Speaker 2: of up the effect of the meds, I was knocking
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Speaker 2: back this beer. And when I look back, they finally
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Speaker 2: did up the medication to the point where I could
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Speaker 2: get out of bed. The injury was the same, but
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Speaker 2: the medication was so much stronger. Could I could function normally.
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Speaker 2: But that whole episode in all honestly costs. It didn't
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Speaker 2: cost me because we don't have regrets, do we, but
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Speaker 2: it really sidestepped me for years of my life. You know,
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Speaker 2: having that huge amount of medication around whenever you just
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Speaker 2: wanted to sort of dip into it, and the ability
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Speaker 2: to lubricate it with alcohol was really sort of dangerous close.
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Speaker 1: You know. A friend friend once said to me, and
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Speaker 1: I love this shit is ship doesn't matter how what
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Speaker 1: size it is, it still stinks, right, And and so
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Speaker 1: you know, I think everyone has a level of shit
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Speaker 1: in their life and and there's no size different, there's
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Speaker 1: still ship and it's still stinks. And you know that
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Speaker 1: really helped me just I don't know, partly stop feeling
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Speaker 1: sorry for my experience of being a teutriplegic and losing
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Speaker 1: a lot of my physical ability. But it also helped
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Speaker 1: me just look and have empathy for others and it
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Speaker 1: didn't matter what they were going through, because sometimes it
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Speaker 1: might steam minor for us, but your listeners are going
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Speaker 1: often through some sort of ship, might be a divorce,
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Speaker 1: it might be just some sort of sadness that they
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Speaker 1: hear for or anxiety or depression. You know, I think
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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we're all in the
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Speaker 1: same boat, and we're all what do we do with
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Speaker 1: that shit? You know?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I get a lot of people say, Chris, I
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Speaker 2: was never in the military, and I haven't been through
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Speaker 2: what you've been through, but you know, I've been in
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Speaker 2: a dark place, and I try to help people understand
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Speaker 2: through this podcast that most from my experience, most military
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Speaker 2: trauma comes from childhood. It's you know, it's unresolved childhood trauma.
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Speaker 2: And then yes, incidents in adulthood, like you might lose
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Speaker 2: a mate on the battlefield in sometimes horrendous conditions, but
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Speaker 2: it also might be a car accident. Really kind of
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Speaker 2: is the catalyst that brings this unresolved coping mechanisms to life.
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Speaker 2: Then of course people start self medicating and their life
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Speaker 2: starts to spiral. Then the family is like, sorry, honey,
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Speaker 2: we can't be around you when you're like this. I'm
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Speaker 2: taking the kids. And the next thing you know, you know,
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Speaker 2: you're you're either homeless or you're not here anymore. And
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Speaker 2: we're really experiencing that quite a bit. So I totally
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Speaker 2: get it. I say that these individuals, no, your trauma
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Speaker 2: is your trauma. No one's trauma is like worth more
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Speaker 2: because they might have done this job or not done
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Speaker 2: this job. So great point.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and to add to that, you know, you might
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Speaker 1: have shit, but none of us are broken, right, And
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Speaker 1: I think, you know, society likes to think that we're broken.
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Speaker 1: Society itself looks a bit broken at times, but we're not.
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Speaker 1: Nothing's broken. It's just that it's a lack of an
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Speaker 1: awareness of who we truly are and and we've identified
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Speaker 1: with that trauma instead of identifying with the true power
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Speaker 1: that we have and either focus on it or you
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Speaker 1: don't focus on it. And I was lucky enough, and
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Speaker 1: most of my life I've managed, somehow hard to focus
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Speaker 1: on on creating something. And that weirdest part of connecting
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Speaker 1: to our power and that's creation has created something.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and we're absolutely going to come on and talk
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Speaker 2: about your your phoenix rise or whatever however we're going
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Speaker 2: to turn it. I just made that up. I was
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Speaker 2: reading about foes. Did you get this phenomenon, like we
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Speaker 2: got this weird thing in like the Marines wants to
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Speaker 2: call itself the best brother you know, the best boys
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Speaker 2: club in the world. And and I wouldn't you know,
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Speaker 2: I'm not here to dispute that. It's a lovely expression.
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Speaker 2: And some of the boys, they're so wonderful, you know,
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Speaker 2: they're so kind. You you are you really quite often
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Speaker 2: you wonder how did we all end up in a
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Speaker 2: job to kill people? Because we're all like really nice guys.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 2: It's but you know, that's obviously another story. But when
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Speaker 2: I was really like at my lowest low, I get
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Speaker 2: so desperate just for some human contact that I'd come
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Speaker 2: across an old buddy and some of the Marines were
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Speaker 2: like really good. You could see they did not understand drugs, addiction,
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Speaker 2: mental They was just like not their bag, dude. You know,
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Speaker 2: they'd never never, never been there. But they still have
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Speaker 2: the grace to say Chris. Look, you know, I really
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Speaker 2: hope you're right. You're always a brother to me, you know,
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Speaker 2: anything I can do, and the genuineness in their eyes
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Speaker 2: and you know, but there was a couple of chaps
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Speaker 2: that you could see they couldn't wait to get off
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Speaker 2: the phone. It like freaked them out that they wanted
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Speaker 2: you in this nice box the last time they saw you,
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Speaker 2: you know, you as a thirteen stone bodybuilder driving a
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Speaker 2: BMW with girls hanging off your arm. Yes, I was young, folks,
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Speaker 2: Just ignore me, and now you know, when you're showing
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Speaker 2: your actual humor, this is who I really am. I'm
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Speaker 2: still locked into a damaged childhood and it's it's manifesting
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Speaker 2: now and I'm asking for your help basically, and you'd
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Speaker 2: get this response, Uh yeah, Chris, Chris, I've just was
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Speaker 2: just making a sandwich. I'm gonna call you back. Yeah yeah,
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Speaker 2: oh yeah, you take care of yourself. And I'd put
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Speaker 2: the phone out and I'd feel so shit, Wayne, you know,
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Speaker 2: a physically could to me it was just rejection. Obviously,
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Speaker 2: now a frame it that that person wasn't, you know,
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Speaker 2: on the part of their journey where perhaps you need
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Speaker 2: to be to respond to a brother but did you
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Speaker 2: experience that at all, especially in a sort of macho culture.
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Speaker 1: You know, some people couldn't handle it, and and normally
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Speaker 1: the ones that were, I suppose the biggest bravo, who
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Speaker 1: knows sort of they had the biggest egos, I would say.
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Speaker 1: But I soon worked out, Chris, that it wasn't about me.
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Speaker 1: It was you know, we never know what's going on
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Speaker 1: in the other person's perception. And I've also worked out
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Speaker 1: through having quite a tough divorce the first time, that
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Speaker 1: it was never about me. It was it's about the
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Speaker 1: other person, how they're feeling right, and quite often they
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Speaker 1: can't look at those feelings that you're bringing up and
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Speaker 1: them and and that really helped me. And I kind
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Speaker 1: of clicked onto that quite early because of what I
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Speaker 1: had to go through with my separation and divorce and
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Speaker 1: and you know, why has this woman been so nasty
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Speaker 1: and why was she trying to hurt me so much?
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Speaker 1: That I soon clicked on that that actually it is
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Speaker 1: because she's in pain. And it's the same. It's the
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Speaker 1: same with your mece that that can't deal with you
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Speaker 1: because it's too painful, or it's too frightening, or as
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Speaker 1: too because it's bringing up feelings in them that they
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Speaker 1: do not like. And and when you start to understand
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Speaker 1: that everything that we see outside of us as a
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Speaker 1: mirror of how we're feeling right and how we're showing up.
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Speaker 1: Everything's a mirror. That's why relationships with your wife is
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Speaker 1: such the greatest mirror, because or your partner is because
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Speaker 1: they reflect the same pain body back to you, especially
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Speaker 1: when they're angry right or pissed off with you, and
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Speaker 1: vice versa. Why the piste off is because you reflected
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Speaker 1: the pain in them. So we've all got this bloody
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Speaker 1: shit that we're dealing with. And when you understand that
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Speaker 1: that person that's just gave me the fingers because I've
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Speaker 1: cut them off or supposedly cut them off in traffic, right,
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Speaker 1: it's not about you. It's about how that person's feeling
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Speaker 1: right now. And all it's done is reflect some sort
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Speaker 1: of anadequacy or pain or sadness in us in that moment.
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Speaker 1: From not the moment, but how like you said, trial,
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Speaker 1: childhood trauma of whatever, that first pain experience.
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Speaker 2: What the road rage one is so obvious, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: You know when you've got someone in there that yeah, mate,
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Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, dude, calm down, please please.
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Speaker 1: It's as kids of the bist, Chris, kids of the best,
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Speaker 1: because they reflect they reflect our own behavior good and bed.
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Speaker 1: So when we're getting shitty and hate their behavior, we
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Speaker 1: have to actually look at what's the reflection on us.
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Speaker 1: And you know, we're both fathers, and I get constantly
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Speaker 1: reminded by my sixteen year old Oh okay, I see
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Speaker 1: their behavior. Oh I don't like it. Oh that's my
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Speaker 1: family or my behavior.
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Speaker 2: You know, yes, yes, So Wayne, tell me, I'm guessing
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Speaker 2: you weren't the spiritual warrior that you are now when
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Speaker 2: you were in this you were in this down phase.
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Speaker 2: Were you like me, Did you have an epiphanal moment
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Speaker 2: where things got so bad you were like, hang on you,
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Speaker 2: something's got to change here.
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Speaker 1: No, it took a while, Chris. There was a bit
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Speaker 1: of a path. I used some principles that I teach
24:04
Speaker 1: as well when I coach, and that is there's three
24:09
Speaker 1: things that I realized I've used that has brought me
24:13
Speaker 1: to this awareness. And that is a vision that has
24:19
Speaker 1: grown me or stretched me. My first vision because just
24:23
Speaker 1: to give you a quick story, right when I had
24:26
Speaker 1: my accident and I was lying in that bed the
24:29
Speaker 1: first time I really heard that in a warrior in
24:33
Speaker 1: me has said, I said, how am I going to
24:37
Speaker 1: survive this? It said, You're going to do what you
24:39
Speaker 1: love For me? That was farming, right. It was my
24:43
Speaker 1: first love, right from a little boy. So how that?
24:47
Speaker 1: How was I going to farm? I've got no hands,
24:50
Speaker 1: I've got limited arm strength and definitely got no torso legs,
24:56
Speaker 1: movement and so shoes. Right. It taught me about five years,
25:02
Speaker 1: but I achieved it because I had a vision pulling
25:04
Speaker 1: me instead of trying to get somewhere. And I always
25:09
Speaker 1: say decision. I made a firm decision in that moment,
25:13
Speaker 1: and then I had to befriend a whole lot of
25:16
Speaker 1: fear and stepping into the new version of me. And
25:20
Speaker 1: that grew me, and then I wanted something else and
25:24
Speaker 1: something else, and that brought me to self development. And
25:28
Speaker 1: then one day I was in a course and all
25:30
Speaker 1: of a sudden, we're talking about this, you know, in
25:34
Speaker 1: a self and what's truth and what is facts and stuff?
25:40
Speaker 1: And I got it and it just hit me like
25:43
Speaker 1: a ton of bricks. And I can remember being on
25:47
Speaker 1: the streets of Auckland with hundreds of people around me,
25:50
Speaker 1: balling my eyes out, talking to my mum and dad
25:53
Speaker 1: and realizing that I had perceived everything in my life
25:58
Speaker 1: from my perspective of some four year old or five
26:03
Speaker 1: year old, and that kind of woke me out. Is
26:06
Speaker 1: that it's as quick as I could give you that answer, Chris.
26:10
Speaker 2: Wow, So you have to go through something quite severe
26:14
Speaker 2: to get to the understanding that something very deep down
26:17
Speaker 2: in you from childhood was a mess.
26:21
Speaker 1: Yeah. It took me probably nearly twenty years after my accent,
26:24
Speaker 1: you know, just a journey, just a path. Like I said,
26:28
Speaker 1: it was blessed that I was looking forward and creating
26:32
Speaker 1: something even though I was very highly disabled or lack
26:37
Speaker 1: of able. I don't know, really what's the right with you?
26:42
Speaker 1: Because I wouldn't call myself disabled because what I've achieved
26:45
Speaker 1: in my life in the thirty years I've been in
26:47
Speaker 1: a chair is incredible. You know. So yeah, yeah, it's yeah,
26:57
Speaker 1: it's you know something about wheelchair you know, Yeah, cheers.
27:03
Speaker 2: Chess sounds a bit cool. It sounds like you're out,
27:05
Speaker 2: you know, shooting hoops and stuff.
27:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, playing wheelchair rugby or or you know something brutal.
27:14
Speaker 2: Okay, this is a great chat. Wayne, thank you. Is
27:18
Speaker 2: it fair to say we don't need to go into specifics.
27:21
Speaker 2: I always try and avoid that. But you went through
27:25
Speaker 2: some kind of childhood trauma, like an abuse, neglect or something.
27:29
Speaker 1: No, I don't think it has to be their bad.
27:33
Speaker 1: I think it can be just a perception there's something
27:36
Speaker 1: bad has happened, right, It was probably just my dad
27:40
Speaker 1: telling me off or belittally me as a kid, or
27:45
Speaker 1: or telling me that that you know, I did something terrible,
27:50
Speaker 1: or or you know I should feel shame or something, right,
27:54
Speaker 1: you know, I don't. I think a lot of people
27:58
Speaker 1: do go through some horrible affect stuff, and I'm not
28:02
Speaker 1: trying to take away what they went through, but I
28:05
Speaker 1: think a lot of us have just got some sort
28:08
Speaker 1: of perception that we took on a real heartbreak and
28:15
Speaker 1: in that moment, and we've perceived something because we're meant to.
28:20
Speaker 1: I also think that we need that trauma to unlock
28:24
Speaker 1: the spiritual winner. So you and I now have a
28:27
Speaker 1: right and so that's the key. The trauma is the
28:31
Speaker 1: key to unlocking our best version of ourself that we
28:36
Speaker 1: possibly can and this experience called life.
28:40
Speaker 2: It's interesting you say that way is one of our
28:44
Speaker 2: recent guess. Wonderful woman called Sarah Ewan. She was a
28:48
Speaker 2: former like Conflict Zone reporter, so she's seen some stuff
28:54
Speaker 2: and she's now a coach. And she said, Chris, it's
28:59
Speaker 2: not the stuff you remember that's holding you back, that's
29:03
Speaker 2: traumatizing you. She said, it's the stuff you don't remember.
29:08
Speaker 2: And this is why they employ these kind of coaches
29:12
Speaker 2: employ hypnosis, which I'm quite open to exploring because I
29:18
Speaker 2: still recognize my challenges Wayne, you know, and they're quite prominent.
29:22
Speaker 2: They feature like literally there in my life twenty four
29:26
Speaker 2: seven every single day. Although people who look at my
29:30
Speaker 2: physical actions like I just rode across the Atlantic in
29:33
Speaker 2: January probably think you know that? And I live in paradise.
29:38
Speaker 2: That's my bottom dollar. I never ever, am, never ever
29:41
Speaker 2: going to leave. But that doesn't mean that, you know,
29:44
Speaker 2: there's still stuff. So I found that conversation with Sarah
29:48
Speaker 2: quite quite pertinent, you know, a possibility.
29:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's it, right, And I talked to my clients.
29:57
Speaker 1: First of all, we explore or what is truth in
30:02
Speaker 1: what's fact? And for me, the only thing that I
30:05
Speaker 1: can strip down truth to because facts change, right, So
30:10
Speaker 1: what is truth? And that's been I always say stay curious,
30:14
Speaker 1: don't believe anything I say, don't believe anything on this podcast,
30:18
Speaker 1: don't believe anything on the news, don't believe anything, question everything,
30:22
Speaker 1: including your own beliefs. Right, because we then can find
30:28
Speaker 1: what is truth in our life and there's not help.
30:31
Speaker 1: A lot comes down to, okay, are we of spiritual being?
30:36
Speaker 1: Have been a human experience? To put us? Simply for
30:40
Speaker 1: me anyway? And I would say to you, Chris, could
30:44
Speaker 1: it be as easy as changing your identity? Hypnosis will
30:50
Speaker 1: help probably with that. But what if your true identity
30:55
Speaker 1: is just a spiritual being that is full of unconditional love,
31:00
Speaker 1: has a genius mind before you've got brainwashed by society
31:04
Speaker 1: and schooling and parents beliefs, and you're abundant. What if
31:09
Speaker 1: you just took on that new identity and claimed it.
31:13
Speaker 1: Instead of claiming I am a titriplegic, which I do,
31:18
Speaker 1: I claim it, I'm in a cheer, I'm limited by
31:22
Speaker 1: some means or whatever. I was filling that hole. Like
31:27
Speaker 1: I said, with those two things, I was fooling that identity.
31:31
Speaker 1: I was escaping because I wasn't claiming the identity. I
31:35
Speaker 1: was claiming that I had some hole that I had
31:37
Speaker 1: the full in this experience. What if it's that easy,
31:42
Speaker 1: That's what I would say.
31:43
Speaker 2: I'm totally with you. It gets confusing, doesn't it, Because,
31:48
Speaker 2: for example, someone said to me recently, Chris, what's your
31:51
Speaker 2: next project. I said, I'm climbing Mount Everest. Their response
31:55
Speaker 2: was their responses, you don't have to do that. You
31:58
Speaker 2: don't have to prove anything now, I said, I stopped
32:01
Speaker 2: proving stuff to other people twenty years ago.
32:05
Speaker 1: I don't.
32:06
Speaker 2: I don't, you know, run the length of the country
32:09
Speaker 2: or row across an ocean because I need to prove
32:12
Speaker 2: stuff to people. I do it because I get one
32:15
Speaker 2: life in this form before I go back to the
32:20
Speaker 2: eternal life, and you know, the universe sent me here
32:24
Speaker 2: to experience stuff, and I love it. You know, it's
32:28
Speaker 2: a unique experience. Wayne, being in a twenty foot boat
32:33
Speaker 2: with your mate and you've only got a pair of
32:35
Speaker 2: you know, two pairs of oars, and you're scaring me
32:39
Speaker 2: because you're one and a half thousand miles away from
32:42
Speaker 2: shore and you're drinking a beer and it's bloody brilliant.
32:46
Speaker 2: It's absolutely you're living your dream and so.
32:52
Speaker 1: And I that's my point, that's my point right for
32:55
Speaker 1: the listeners, that's my point. That's Chris's new identity, right,
33:01
Speaker 1: that's your that's the true identity of the warrior or
33:06
Speaker 1: of the unlimited higher self for universe and Chris, God
33:14
Speaker 1: and Chris whatever you like to call it. It's got
33:17
Speaker 1: many names. But I saw you come alive then, right,
33:21
Speaker 1: And that's because you've got an identity that is an
33:27
Speaker 1: alignment with who you truly are. Right. The problem is
33:32
Speaker 1: we've got the subconscious mind that remembers the old identity
33:36
Speaker 1: and the trauma, and it keeps throwing that up in
33:40
Speaker 1: front of us because it's trying to keep us safe.
33:42
Speaker 1: And we all to know about the flight flight freeze syndrome, right,
33:47
Speaker 1: all that is always looking out to keep Chris safe. Right,
33:51
Speaker 1: So what's Chris most kid of the old identity? So
33:56
Speaker 1: it's reinforcing the trauma in our lives. Right, So we
34:02
Speaker 1: have to become aware of how we're thinking and if
34:08
Speaker 1: it's negative. And I always say to my clients, you
34:12
Speaker 1: know when you're stepped into a warrior or the spiritual side,
34:16
Speaker 1: because it's always positive, it's always joyful. It is always happy,
34:22
Speaker 1: joy love. If you're sad, anxious, scared, frightened, angry, frustrated
34:30
Speaker 1: or any of those life vibrations. You are in the
34:33
Speaker 1: identity of your trauma or human experience. So all it
34:39
Speaker 1: is then is simply recognizing which identity you are in
34:44
Speaker 1: and stepping into the identity that you want to claim.
34:47
Speaker 2: That's just brilliant. I'm going to write this down, Yes,
34:54
Speaker 2: which identity are you? And I say you, what's hard,
35:00
Speaker 2: Wayne is when you do a show like this, because
35:05
Speaker 2: it's yeah, I've had people email me I'm talking grown
35:11
Speaker 2: men and they're visibly upset that I don't And I'm sorry,
35:17
Speaker 2: I keep mentioning the military. Believe me, it's a it's
35:19
Speaker 2: a it's a strange old beast. But again, it's formed
35:24
Speaker 2: part of you know, who you became in the same
35:27
Speaker 2: way that you know, for you not to mention Rugby
35:30
Speaker 2: would be like a bit bizarre. But I've had people
35:34
Speaker 2: approach me and been like, Chris, why don't you when
35:38
Speaker 2: you do your podcast introduce yourself as a raw Marines
35:43
Speaker 2: command though, and you should wear your greenberry and look
35:47
Speaker 2: at the camera and and you know, stop with all
35:51
Speaker 2: this like conspiracy stuff because and you know, obviously I'm
35:54
Speaker 2: never going to do going to do that. But what
35:58
Speaker 2: I'm getting at is in the job I do, and
36:01
Speaker 2: I wear several hats, but this particular job, now, the podcasting,
36:05
Speaker 2: it's so entwined with identity. Whether that's perceived or actual,
36:13
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it's almost you know, you get
36:16
Speaker 2: a lot of low vibrational individuals tune into a podcast,
36:22
Speaker 2: especially if they think they can get some dopamine off,
36:26
Speaker 2: some trauma kind of you know, like the world is
36:29
Speaker 2: doom kind of thing. And because of this, because of
36:32
Speaker 2: this low vibration, they will lash out. And so it
36:37
Speaker 2: you know, it becomes a thing that where wherever you go,
36:42
Speaker 2: you know, there's an element there that are never going
36:44
Speaker 2: to come to your face and say I fucking hate you,
36:47
Speaker 2: you show shit and you're you know, in fact, it's
36:50
Speaker 2: the opposite. When you're in public, that exact person that
36:54
Speaker 2: will say that in your you know, like on the internet,
36:58
Speaker 2: will just come up to you and say, you're Chris
37:00
Speaker 2: Through aren't you? You're I love your show, Always watch.
37:05
Speaker 2: It's a really bizarre phenomenon. But again, the point I'm
37:10
Speaker 2: getting to Wayne is it does then be you know,
37:13
Speaker 2: when people talk about Joe Rogan, they don't talk about
37:16
Speaker 2: like a five foot five bald bald chap who sits
37:22
Speaker 2: in a chair chatting to these incredible people. They say, Yeah,
37:27
Speaker 2: Joe Rogan, he's a bit of a boy, isn't he.
37:29
Speaker 2: Like he's got the body, he's got the physic. He
37:31
Speaker 2: goes bow hunting at weekends. He was world champion mixed
37:35
Speaker 2: martial arts. You know, he likes to smoke a doobie
37:39
Speaker 2: and he's just like, do you know what I mean?
37:41
Speaker 2: It's it's it's it's it's someone said to me. Answer
37:45
Speaker 2: to say, Chris, And I'm not trying to be full
37:50
Speaker 2: of shit here or big myself up. But they said, Chris,
37:52
Speaker 2: you know a lot of people watch the podcast for
37:54
Speaker 2: the host and and so it's difficult, Wayne, isn't it
38:00
Speaker 2: for someone like me to kind of disengage from that
38:04
Speaker 2: materialistic like facade or personality.
38:08
Speaker 4: You could say, yeah, and I totally get that because
38:13
Speaker 4: you have experienced that that you know, all our experiences
38:17
Speaker 4: are part about identity and have helped us get that awareness.
38:25
Speaker 1: Whatever their awenness is right. And I think I think
38:30
Speaker 1: the idea here though, Chris, you know, I speak about
38:33
Speaker 1: my accident, I speak about some of the experiences I've
38:38
Speaker 1: had as a person in a chair, Like I said before,
38:43
Speaker 1: I have an identity with that. But I think what
38:47
Speaker 1: I'm talking here is the deeper pain is understanding that
38:53
Speaker 1: I'm not choosing that trauma as my identity anymore. I'm
38:59
Speaker 1: disc and I'm scaling this engaging from that trauma and
39:09
Speaker 1: just calling it an experience, if that makes sense.
39:12
Speaker 2: Ah, It's all like I'm getting the revelation here, you know.
39:17
Speaker 2: For example, Wayne, like when you say to a traumatized
39:21
Speaker 2: put when you congratulate them on there, let's just call
39:24
Speaker 2: them achievements. I'm not trying to like lord it over people,
39:27
Speaker 2: but folks, I'm just saying someone asked me, you know,
39:31
Speaker 2: like they were a bit starry eyed and open mau
39:34
Speaker 2: what's it like rowan the Atlantic, for example? And I say, well,
39:38
Speaker 2: it's all right, you know, it's a fun thing to do. Yeah,
39:43
Speaker 2: but it must be this and you you must be like, well, nah,
39:48
Speaker 2: not really. It's just I don't even think about it,
39:50
Speaker 2: to be honest, And and I'm not trying to be
39:53
Speaker 2: dismissive here. I'm trying to say that I think people
39:56
Speaker 2: like me for me. The things that I'm good at
39:59
Speaker 2: or I accomplish, they they probably don't seem it because
40:03
Speaker 2: maybe what you're saying, I'm still in a different identity.
40:07
Speaker 2: Like my mate, my dear mate, he drank himself to death.
40:11
Speaker 2: His name was Simon. He's in my forty Night's book there, folks,
40:15
Speaker 2: if you read it. And he used to juggle and
40:18
Speaker 2: he was amazing. He'd get the balls and he'd start
40:22
Speaker 2: juggling like this. Then he'd throw one up behind his
40:24
Speaker 2: back and catch it and throw one up behind his back.
40:27
Speaker 2: Then he'd throw it under his leg. Then he juggle
40:29
Speaker 2: with his knee and it was it was like a
40:32
Speaker 2: circus performance. He was that good. And when you used
40:35
Speaker 2: to say, mate, that's that is brilliant, he goes, that's
40:40
Speaker 2: not as easy. It's easy. And it's what you're saying, Wayne,
40:44
Speaker 2: isn't it. It's the opting for the broken. Hey, I'm
40:47
Speaker 2: a failure, you know. I think that's what you're saying.
40:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think what people might be missing. And and
40:56
Speaker 1: you're not going to find this unless you explore what
40:59
Speaker 1: I said, and that it's been curious and question everything.
41:03
Speaker 1: And that is that you're not broken. You are whole.
41:06
Speaker 1: You are magnificent for just being here on this experience.
41:12
Speaker 1: You are something really really special. It doesn't matter who
41:16
Speaker 1: you are, and you've done these amazing things because for you,
41:21
Speaker 1: you've said the fear of death in the face, right,
41:25
Speaker 1: So you're not possible. What I'm hearing is, and I
41:29
Speaker 1: might be wrong, but what I'm hearing is you're not
41:32
Speaker 1: scared of death. You've looked death in the face so
41:37
Speaker 1: many times that you are not scared of it. So
41:40
Speaker 1: that's not your fear. Right. So we've all got this fear.
41:46
Speaker 1: And I don't know what your fear might be, but
41:49
Speaker 1: it might be something to do with the trauma that
41:53
Speaker 1: you do have in everyday life. Right. But my point
41:59
Speaker 1: is that we are all magnificent. We shouldn't be afraid
42:06
Speaker 1: of anything, all of us, because there's something greater in
42:11
Speaker 1: us still, and there will be something greater still after
42:14
Speaker 1: this lifetime. And I think that that's what I'm trying
42:20
Speaker 1: to explain here, and I might be doing a great job,
42:22
Speaker 1: is that we don't end, we don't begin somewhere. Only
42:29
Speaker 1: this experience begins and ends. And I think when you
42:34
Speaker 1: can find that truth, there's something amazing because all of
42:38
Speaker 1: a sudden, you won't be holding yourself back because you'll
42:41
Speaker 1: see how bloody amazing you are and it doesn't matter
42:45
Speaker 1: who you are in this life, in this experience as
42:49
Speaker 1: a human, you are all bloody amazing, but most of
42:54
Speaker 1: you think you're broken or a missing or are good enough,
42:59
Speaker 1: including myself and Chris head Times.
43:02
Speaker 2: Just brilliantly put brother, that's so spot on. And you
43:06
Speaker 2: can you can physically see traumering people in the kind
43:10
Speaker 2: of the constant. And this is not a criticism because
43:13
Speaker 2: people will see it in me, but very often when
43:16
Speaker 2: I chat with a guest and they've maybe, for example,
43:19
Speaker 2: they've written a book and it's possibly a bit of
43:22
Speaker 2: a far out theory, but they've researched it enough that
43:25
Speaker 2: they really you know, they're they're sold on it, but
43:30
Speaker 2: they'll be really apologetic. You know.
43:32
Speaker 5: I know people think this, and I know you know,
43:35
Speaker 5: oh people might laugh and yeah, I know this won't
43:39
Speaker 5: go down with with with a lot, And I kind
43:41
Speaker 5: of almost wish I could reach through the screen and say.
43:43
Speaker 2: Dude, it's fine, it's fine, just like what other people think.
43:47
Speaker 2: That's their ship. I honestly wouldn't be getting involved in
43:50
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be getting involved in it. You know, you've
43:53
Speaker 2: done an amazing thing here and you've created something, and
43:57
Speaker 2: if you think it. There's possibly other others too. Yes, yes, Wayne,
44:03
Speaker 2: I want to go through go through your your bullet
44:09
Speaker 2: points because you talk about the modern masculine man. And
44:14
Speaker 2: I'll drop my little anecdote in here. I was in
44:16
Speaker 2: a beautiful fishing village in Cornwall called Padsto. They actually
44:20
Speaker 2: called it pad Stein now, but friends, some friends at
44:24
Speaker 2: home will know what I'm talking about. And I'm down
44:26
Speaker 2: there and like there is no way in hell I'm
44:30
Speaker 2: even sitting in my house, let alone going outside of
44:34
Speaker 2: it wearing my underpants on my face because the BBC
44:38
Speaker 2: News told me to. I know who owns and runs
44:42
Speaker 2: the BBC News, and they know what their intentions are,
44:46
Speaker 2: and they're not good. So I turn that off and
44:49
Speaker 2: I go out and I'd be a massive legend. That's
44:52
Speaker 2: just what you've got to do, right. But I'm down
44:55
Speaker 2: there in this fish fish fishing village and I was
44:58
Speaker 2: wandering along with my family, and I happened to be
45:01
Speaker 2: staring in the shop window and I looked to my
45:04
Speaker 2: left and this guy was just about to enter the shop.
45:07
Speaker 2: And I suppose you could describe I think hipster might
45:10
Speaker 2: be the word. You know, he's a dude of our time.
45:14
Speaker 2: He's got the you know, the tattoo sleeves, the funny hair,
45:20
Speaker 2: you know, strange beard, says the guy who's tattooed with
45:23
Speaker 2: a beard. But and he came up to the shop door,
45:28
Speaker 2: and it was palpable, you could physically see him stop.
45:32
Speaker 2: And he reached in his pocket and he pulled out
45:35
Speaker 2: the mask. You know, you'd think he was Zoro pulling
45:38
Speaker 2: out his sword and just about to take out thirty
45:41
Speaker 2: bad guys. And he took out his mask, and he
45:44
Speaker 2: made a big show of putting it on, and then
45:47
Speaker 2: he invincibly went through the door of the shop to
45:51
Speaker 2: be a legend. And you know, that's legend in his mind.
45:56
Speaker 2: And my version obviously is different. And I'm you know,
46:00
Speaker 2: I don't judge, but that doesn't mean I'm blind that
46:03
Speaker 2: I don't see this stuff, right, what what's going on?
46:07
Speaker 2: And I I'm kind of there, and I think, mate,
46:11
Speaker 2: I don't mean to be rude, but you might have kids,
46:14
Speaker 2: or you're going to have children, and this is the
46:17
Speaker 2: example you're set in for them. And I know because
46:22
Speaker 2: I run every morning, Wayne, right, I try and go
46:25
Speaker 2: for a jog at least, and certainly since that medical thing,
46:30
Speaker 2: it's this is a phenomenon that's got worse is you
46:34
Speaker 2: get you get grown men. They might be down a gym,
46:38
Speaker 2: they've got rippling muscles, they've got all the you know,
46:41
Speaker 2: the fashion accouterments, they've got the latest state of the
46:45
Speaker 2: art phone with all the apps, and they're they're like
46:47
Speaker 2: geezer and you know, cheeky nandos and all this, all
46:51
Speaker 2: the all the you know, they're they're a boy, there's
46:54
Speaker 2: they're they're they're probably you know, manager director in their company.
46:59
Speaker 2: They're turning over a pretty penny. And yet they'll come
47:02
Speaker 2: cycling past you, for example, in their lycra their families behind.
47:07
Speaker 2: You know, the missus is behind, the three kids are
47:10
Speaker 2: behind on their little bite and you go, oh, they
47:13
Speaker 2: can't say hello, Wayne, they can't do the human thing.
47:17
Speaker 2: And again this is not a criticism of people or
47:20
Speaker 2: that individual. Something has seriously gone wrong in the modern
47:26
Speaker 2: man and the modern female. And I wondered what your
47:29
Speaker 2: take on it is, and.
47:31
Speaker 1: Then look, you know, let's talk at The first thing
47:35
Speaker 1: I would say is everyone is exactly where they need
47:39
Speaker 1: to be with a winner's all right. So the first
47:43
Speaker 1: thing of unconditional love is because essentially we are unconditional love.
47:50
Speaker 1: Our true state is unconditional love. We're always trying to
47:54
Speaker 1: find love, either by conditioned or I'm conditional. There's only
48:01
Speaker 1: two energies here, and they both love. We're either trying
48:05
Speaker 1: to get love or we are love. Right, So so
48:09
Speaker 1: in that essence, if we're trying to get love, we're
48:13
Speaker 1: trying to get attention. We're trying to force someone to
48:17
Speaker 1: love us. We're trying to look at me, look at me,
48:21
Speaker 1: look at me. To be unconditional love we give, We
48:25
Speaker 1: just give love. So for all those people that want
48:28
Speaker 1: to wear like her and cars, say hello, and all
48:32
Speaker 1: those people that have to wear a mask, and I've
48:36
Speaker 1: got some sense of fear or of whatever that is
48:40
Speaker 1: or what's they've been told, then all I have to
48:44
Speaker 1: do is love on them and be their example. So
48:48
Speaker 1: for the guy riding past me, I would say hello
48:52
Speaker 1: to me, went past me, until one day hopefully he
48:55
Speaker 1: would see me right and see that all I do
49:00
Speaker 1: or all I want to do is wish and well right.
49:03
Speaker 1: And so that's an example of unconditional love. But let's
49:07
Speaker 1: get back to the mescaline, modern mesculine men. The modern
49:11
Speaker 1: mask and man has to find is truth first and
49:15
Speaker 1: that's what we were talking about earlier. Chris. You know
49:17
Speaker 1: that what is that truth for you? And you have
49:21
Speaker 1: to find it. But the only way you're going to
49:23
Speaker 1: find that is to question every belief, every religion, every
49:28
Speaker 1: everything in your life and stay curious what is your truth?
49:34
Speaker 1: And that way you will start to explore and become
49:39
Speaker 1: awake to some of the ideas that are possibly running
49:45
Speaker 1: our world at the moment, or possibly what is unconditional love?
49:51
Speaker 1: To you? What is conditioned love? Right? I don't call
49:55
Speaker 1: it hate because I don't believe in hate. I think
49:58
Speaker 1: it's just people that are right then bad and trying
50:01
Speaker 1: to get love somehow. Even the worst murders in the
50:04
Speaker 1: world is someone feeling like they have to try to
50:09
Speaker 1: get love and they've done it very very badly and
50:12
Speaker 1: they've ended up murdering someone. Right, they're trying to fit
50:16
Speaker 1: into whatever that is. So the modern masculinity, masculine man
50:21
Speaker 1: has to stand in his truth. And every modern masculine
50:25
Speaker 1: man is in touch with his feminine sight. Yes, he's
50:30
Speaker 1: in touch. So he's standing beside the feminine. He's standing
50:34
Speaker 1: beside the feminine as the protector, as the man who's
50:39
Speaker 1: going to stand up for his truth and for me,
50:43
Speaker 1: that is love. You are genius, you have a genius mind,
50:46
Speaker 1: You're born genius or majority of us were right. His
50:50
Speaker 1: studies behind that with NASA back in the I think
50:53
Speaker 1: it was I've got it in my book. I can't
50:56
Speaker 1: quite remember the day. But we're all born genius, and
51:01
Speaker 1: we're all unconditional love, born in unconditional love until someone
51:05
Speaker 1: put conditions on us, of course in the human experience,
51:09
Speaker 1: which created the trauma. And the third one is that
51:14
Speaker 1: we're abundant, just like we're creation. Look look at how
51:18
Speaker 1: we got here. It was creation itself. It started with
51:22
Speaker 1: a seed and an egg and then you know, it
51:26
Speaker 1: created a friggin human. How the hell that's incredible. It's
51:31
Speaker 1: the same as how a seed grows an oak tree.
51:35
Speaker 1: You know, everything in our in our experience is going grow, grow, grow, grow,
51:41
Speaker 1: including us. You either take this podcast and what I'm
51:45
Speaker 1: saying and choose to say, right, I'm going to grow
51:49
Speaker 1: in my life. How am I going to do that?
51:51
Speaker 1: Stay curious, question everything, and have a vision that's going
51:56
Speaker 1: to stretch me into the next version of Chris or
51:59
Speaker 1: Wayne or whoever you are, right and and like Chris's
52:04
Speaker 1: next version or next vision is kind of man for it?
52:08
Speaker 1: How cool was that? It's kind of stretch Chris and.
52:12
Speaker 2: He's going to first as by a kiwi.
52:15
Speaker 1: I know, I know Edmund Hillary.
52:19
Speaker 2: You know, I had to have a NAPOLEI chat push
52:22
Speaker 2: him up there though, didn't he?
52:25
Speaker 1: Sorry? So and no one and no one. No one
52:28
Speaker 1: really talks about the real leader of the group, which
52:32
Speaker 1: was a certain I think it was a captain. Wasn't
52:35
Speaker 1: he from England?
52:36
Speaker 2: British Army captain? Wasn't it? Yeah, Wayne, I just want
52:41
Speaker 2: to clarify. I'm feeling a bit bad the reason I
52:44
Speaker 2: flag up the things like the mask and the like,
52:48
Speaker 2: and it's not because I'm some judgmental preck. It's that
52:52
Speaker 2: I love people and I see the fear that people
52:58
Speaker 2: have been subjected to by what I genuinely believe is
53:02
Speaker 2: an agenda. I think. I think whether even if you
53:06
Speaker 2: don't want to get conspiratorial, the magazine culture is depraved,
53:12
Speaker 2: whether that's you know, the top shelf magazines or the
53:15
Speaker 2: bodybuilding ones, or the the beauty magazines which you know
53:20
Speaker 2: have a group of people sit around a table and
53:23
Speaker 2: they literally plan how they can destroy women's confidence and
53:28
Speaker 2: they try to get you. The younger the better, with
53:31
Speaker 2: all the Barbie you know stuff and the Britney spears,
53:35
Speaker 2: pop music and all this kind of it's you know,
53:41
Speaker 2: and I what can you say? And it is palpable,
53:46
Speaker 2: Like I say, now, what they achieved with that medical
53:50
Speaker 2: thing was to damage people even more than they've been damaged.
53:54
Speaker 2: And I know people don't say hello because they're incredibly
53:58
Speaker 2: shy now and I guess that. And my simple point
54:02
Speaker 2: is we've got we're getting overrun by immigration here, Wayne's
54:07
Speaker 2: it's so utterly obvious. They're piling in the boats across
54:13
Speaker 2: the English Channel with people whose origin is places such
54:18
Speaker 2: as Africa. No disrespect to them, don't care. Sure, I'm
54:22
Speaker 2: sure a lot of them are great, the majority of
54:25
Speaker 2: wonderfully fine people. But the point is, I see the agenda.
54:30
Speaker 2: Now your typical British male who thinks he's up, maybe
54:33
Speaker 2: he thinks he's a bit hard, and all they see
54:37
Speaker 2: is they think it's the government. Are have ineptitude that
54:42
Speaker 2: the reason this is happening is our government is a
54:44
Speaker 2: bit in it. So if we get another government in,
54:47
Speaker 2: this is all going to stop. And I'm trying to
54:50
Speaker 2: encourage people to kind of look a bit more above that,
54:53
Speaker 2: you know, have a look, you know, do you think
54:56
Speaker 2: leaders are elected or are they selected? Because that's a
55:03
Speaker 2: crucial kind of balance point. And that's why I mentioned
55:07
Speaker 2: the thing with the you know, saying hello in the morning.
55:11
Speaker 1: And Chris, I totally that was my intention. It was
55:16
Speaker 1: more that I have That's how I remind myself because
55:21
Speaker 1: I totally understand what you're doing. And it's good that
55:25
Speaker 1: we have these conversations and your conversations, because it is
55:31
Speaker 1: hopefully waking people up to you know, there is a
55:37
Speaker 1: manipulation or a conditioned love. You do this and we'll
55:45
Speaker 1: give you that, you know, and and it comes from
55:49
Speaker 1: way up and I believe the only way that we're
55:52
Speaker 1: going to stop that is people standing in their own
55:56
Speaker 1: truth and standing up for what is truly right, you know,
56:02
Speaker 1: and that is protecting, protecting our loved ones. And I
56:10
Speaker 1: totally agree. You know that we're seeing the US putting,
56:17
Speaker 1: you know, a hard line down on immigration, and like
56:21
Speaker 1: you know, one side will talk about how unfear that is,
56:25
Speaker 1: but if you look at the truth of it, there's
56:28
Speaker 1: a lot of people, damaged people coming into the country
56:32
Speaker 1: that is hurting the residents of that country and you
56:36
Speaker 1: have to protect you know, what is conditioned love. Sometimes
56:42
Speaker 1: unconditional love has to be tough, you know, you have
56:46
Speaker 1: to be tough, you have to have borders, because that's
56:49
Speaker 1: where we're at. So I totally agree with what you're saying, mate,
56:53
Speaker 1: It's just that that's my take on it. How I
56:56
Speaker 1: have to look at it and bring myself.
57:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's And I'm trying to get my head around
57:03
Speaker 2: this as well, because I you know, there's I'm willing
57:07
Speaker 2: to put my hand out and say I don't really
57:09
Speaker 2: know very much, you know, of all the knowledge out there,
57:14
Speaker 2: I know I've got like a thimble for and I'm
57:16
Speaker 2: trying to make sense of it, just the same as
57:19
Speaker 2: everyone else's. And my issue is is like, you know,
57:23
Speaker 2: one of the most beautiful things in my life is
57:25
Speaker 2: just to go and sit in the backyard with a
57:27
Speaker 2: bit of sun on my face, and I know no
57:31
Speaker 2: one can tell me in that moment. I don't live
57:33
Speaker 2: in paradise, you know, no one can. And that moment
57:38
Speaker 2: is always there, although in England it might be rained
57:41
Speaker 2: quite a lot. But and here's the thing, though, I
57:45
Speaker 2: could have done that during the whole medical thing, right,
57:49
Speaker 2: I could have done what a lot of podcasters did,
57:51
Speaker 2: because I know a lot of the biggest podcasters, and
57:54
Speaker 2: they just continued like normal without mentioning the things, the
58:00
Speaker 2: things that we now know of hurt an awful lot
58:03
Speaker 2: of people. Instead, I put my whole career on hold,
58:06
Speaker 2: not because I'm brilliant or whatever. I just I felt
58:09
Speaker 2: morally duty bound to stand up for these monsters that
58:14
Speaker 2: are trying to go into the schools with this ridiculous
58:18
Speaker 2: like you.
58:19
Speaker 1: Know, agree, And that's that's the thing, right, there's coming
58:22
Speaker 1: back to what I was saying. You're standing up in
58:25
Speaker 1: your truth.
58:25
Speaker 2: But what should I have done? Wayne? Should I have gone, Chris,
58:29
Speaker 2: spiritual battle, go and sit in the garden with the
58:31
Speaker 2: sun on your face. What will be?
58:33
Speaker 1: Will be? Or No, you have to stand up with
58:36
Speaker 1: what's true for you, all right, you have to say
58:41
Speaker 1: you have to do the best you possibly can and
58:45
Speaker 1: unconditional love. Right if you had done that, it would
58:48
Speaker 1: have been conditioned love. If you'd gone and said, I'm
58:51
Speaker 1: going to just sit in the garden and I'm going
58:53
Speaker 1: to ignore this. This is a spiritual battle. Well, you're
58:56
Speaker 1: not doing what's true, so you are in conditioned love.
59:00
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm just writing this down it'll be good. Good
59:03
Speaker 2: title for the then they've got good title for this podcast. Yes,
59:09
Speaker 2: thank you for saying that. I found it difficult. You
59:12
Speaker 2: know when I looked at people that ducked, they ducked it,
59:15
Speaker 2: they ducked what was going on so they can continue
59:18
Speaker 2: their life. They've now got hundreds of thousands of subscribers
59:22
Speaker 2: on YouTube. And I'm still I'm still I'm still in
59:26
Speaker 2: the trenches and it's it's absolutely fine. This is not
59:31
Speaker 2: like sour grapes or anything like that.
59:35
Speaker 1: But we needed you, Chris. We needed we needed someone
59:40
Speaker 1: asked to put up a different side of the argument
59:43
Speaker 1: because it was being shut down. Now, I know, because
59:46
Speaker 1: it got shut down here in New Zealand. You know,
59:49
Speaker 1: like we weren't allowed to have a say, we weren't
59:52
Speaker 1: allowed to say question, we weren't even allowed to ask
59:55
Speaker 1: some question. So, you know, because as we talked about
1:00:00
Speaker 1: chose not to vaccinate and m yeah, it was we
1:00:07
Speaker 1: weren't even allowed to ask the question. We weren't even
1:00:10
Speaker 1: allowed to ask the nurse who was giving there the
1:00:13
Speaker 1: so called you know whatever that we're not allowed to
1:00:16
Speaker 1: talk about. Wayne.
1:00:18
Speaker 2: I've just got to because we've had such a wonderful
1:00:22
Speaker 2: chat for a bit longer than I thought. My next
1:00:25
Speaker 2: appointment's trying to get into this meeting. I'm just going
1:00:29
Speaker 2: to tell him.
1:00:30
Speaker 1: Uh, I've got to kill you it shut up.
1:00:35
Speaker 2: I'm just going to say ten minutes, brother, kiss, kiss,
1:00:39
Speaker 2: there we go. Yes, Oh Wayne, I cannot thank you enough.
1:00:46
Speaker 2: You have brought so much clarity to just me knowing
1:00:50
Speaker 2: you for two hours or an hour and a half.
1:00:54
Speaker 2: That is a And I'm a life coach, I must
1:00:57
Speaker 2: be a bloody bad one.
1:00:58
Speaker 1: Because no, no, not at all.
1:01:02
Speaker 2: Oh So, friends, when we wake up tomorrow morning, maybe
1:01:06
Speaker 2: we're having a bad day, maybe we're a bit stressed
1:01:09
Speaker 2: by the boss, or whatever it might be, We're going
1:01:12
Speaker 2: to say, which identity are you today, Chris? Are you
1:01:16
Speaker 2: the massive legend that goes out and you're firing and
1:01:19
Speaker 2: everything is exactly the way it's meant to be and
1:01:22
Speaker 2: you're perfect the way you are, or are you going
1:01:25
Speaker 2: in a past identity which no longer exists that's not
1:01:29
Speaker 2: working to your benefit? And as such, every little thing
1:01:34
Speaker 2: is really gonna it's going to hit you, and it's
1:01:37
Speaker 2: going to be like that rebound when you get hit
1:01:40
Speaker 2: by a bullet and your body you know the ripples
1:01:44
Speaker 2: of shock. So Wayne, I can't thank you enough. I
1:01:49
Speaker 2: think we should have a part too, don't you anytime?
1:01:52
Speaker 1: Chris, I'd love to.
1:01:54
Speaker 2: I'm going to get your book cover up because I
1:01:57
Speaker 2: try not to forget that. Absolutely can not wait to
1:02:00
Speaker 2: read this. I mean that one hundred percent from them
1:02:03
Speaker 2: the bottom of my heart. I'm going to order it today.
1:02:07
Speaker 2: It's incredibly well priced, even here in the UK. It's
1:02:11
Speaker 2: six pounds just over six pounds. I'll put a link
1:02:14
Speaker 2: link below it, folk, link below the podcast, folks.
1:02:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, Chris, And if someone really resonates with us, I
1:02:23
Speaker 1: have put aside enough time for five, the first five
1:02:30
Speaker 1: that resonate with what I've said and want to explore
1:02:35
Speaker 1: more a complimentary session with me, and it's a forty
1:02:39
Speaker 1: five minute session, one on one, and we just look
1:02:43
Speaker 1: at what is that trauma? You know what, what is
1:02:45
Speaker 1: that that trigger moment? And together and once we see that,
1:02:53
Speaker 1: then what is the vision you would love to create?
1:02:56
Speaker 1: And we'll step into that and in there's a bridge,
1:03:01
Speaker 1: there's a gap between those two, so we'll look at
1:03:04
Speaker 1: a stip in the direction of that vision for you
1:03:09
Speaker 1: and the session. So if that resonates with someone, it's
1:03:14
Speaker 1: absolutely complementary. There's normally a value of two hundred and
1:03:18
Speaker 1: fifty UIs dollars for their time. So yeah, don't waste
1:03:25
Speaker 1: waste time and get in there and jump in there
1:03:28
Speaker 1: for really resonates with you. And I'd love to sue
1:03:33
Speaker 1: those five people.
1:03:34
Speaker 2: I'll add to that. Friends. Wayne is like, yeah, we
1:03:40
Speaker 2: didn't get around to discussing it, but we'll chat next time.
1:03:43
Speaker 2: Wayne is a ted X speaker, and I can tell
1:03:46
Speaker 2: you to get to get to that level of speaker
1:03:48
Speaker 2: that they're not just taking anyone. And I can also
1:03:52
Speaker 2: tell you that I you know, there are life coaches
1:03:56
Speaker 2: out there. You know, let's just say there's very few
1:04:02
Speaker 2: that really get it Wayne. You know there's very few
1:04:06
Speaker 2: a lot of them. You know, their profile picture is
1:04:08
Speaker 2: them standing in front of the trademark Ferrari. Yeah. The
1:04:13
Speaker 2: very thing that creates so much trauma and hardship in
1:04:17
Speaker 2: our life is striving for materialistic gain. Is their pitching
1:04:23
Speaker 2: is the thing that you know, when you're battling trauma,
1:04:27
Speaker 2: that you should aspire to. And again I'm laughing, I'm
1:04:31
Speaker 2: not judging. I'm just trying to make light of the situation.
1:04:34
Speaker 2: But friends, I would say Wayne really really sounds like
1:04:39
Speaker 2: he knows what he's talking about. Is this has been
1:04:42
Speaker 2: an absolutely great chat, absolutely great chat. So Wayne, we're
1:04:46
Speaker 2: going to put all your links below link for the
1:04:48
Speaker 2: book links so people can get hold of you, please
1:04:51
Speaker 2: do folks. That just leads me to say, massive, massive,
1:04:55
Speaker 2: thank you for coming on the show. Friends at home,
1:04:58
Speaker 2: if you could like and describe click the notification bell.
1:05:04
Speaker 2: As Wayne said, I think you know we're put here
1:05:06
Speaker 2: for a reason, and our story and what we put
1:05:09
Speaker 2: out is here for a reason. And I think on
1:05:11
Speaker 2: this show you're definitely better invested than just watching the
1:05:16
Speaker 2: fear porn stuff or you know, all the time. But
1:05:20
Speaker 2: that's just my thoughts, right. That's it. Wayne, give my
1:05:23
Speaker 2: love to New Zealand and to yourself and your family.
1:05:27
Speaker 2: Massive love to everyone out there. Let's chat soon. Chow
1:05:31
Speaker 2: chow love it.
1:05:32
Speaker 1: Chris, thank you.
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