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Ken Rosenthal on evolving Blue Jays, Nats trades, Rockies GM change? · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Ray Miller said after a Sunday afternoon loss. He was
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  Speaker 1: managing the team at the time. Go talk to the players.
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  Speaker 1: They're the ones making all the money. They didn't fire
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  Speaker 1: them the next day, but they fired them eventually, and
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  Speaker 1: it's just that kind of thing that never sits.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's hit the inside scoop with that. FT senior
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  Speaker 2: insider Ken Rosenthal, Ken, good to see you, And I
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  Speaker 2: want to start with I guess the hottest team in
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  Speaker 2: Major League Baseball that Toronto Blue Jays with a really
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  Speaker 2: soft schedule heading into the All Star Break, already riding
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  Speaker 2: such a winning streak. What do you think about this team?
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  Speaker 2: And I am going to do something that I don't
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  Speaker 2: love to do, but I guess I do it very often.
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  Speaker 2: I do check out comments and there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people like oh, Ken, who are the paper Tigers now?
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I commented on a few of them
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  Speaker 2: for you, Ken, I said, those were the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 2: four Blue Jays.
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  Speaker 3: These are the twenty five Blue Jays. So what's different.
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  Speaker 1: What's different is they're getting contributions from guys that most
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  Speaker 1: fans probably have not heard of. Fucus Addison Barger, who
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  Speaker 1: has really come on, and Ernie Clement, he's another one.
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  Speaker 1: All of these guys Joey Lo Perfido last night are
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  Speaker 1: playing major role for the J's. I wouldn't say major,
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  Speaker 1: but a significant role. And it's not just Flatty, it's
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  Speaker 1: not just Bobaschet. That's one thing that's definitely standing out
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  Speaker 1: about them. Also, they're off season acquisitions Santander Hoffmann Andres Jimenez,
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  Speaker 1: who's back on the IL.
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  Speaker 3: They haven't been great.
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  Speaker 1: To say the least, and yet they've finally come together
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  Speaker 1: as a team now. When I called them the paper
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  Speaker 1: Tigers last.
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  Speaker 3: Year and maybe even the year before, what I.
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  Speaker 1: Was referring to was a team that had a ton
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  Speaker 1: of talent but wasn't playing to its potential. This team
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  Speaker 1: has a lot of talent and he's definitely playing to
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  Speaker 1: its potential. And of course I've forgotten the one huge
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  Speaker 1: part of this resurgence, and that's George Springer, comeback Player
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  Speaker 1: of the Year candidate. He's having an amazing run at
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  Speaker 1: age thirty five. It's great to see him playing the
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  Speaker 1: way he used to play in Houston. So all of
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  Speaker 1: these factors combined, and I haven't even mentioned their pitching yet,
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  Speaker 1: they're starting rotation. Now that Scherzer is apart has stabilized
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  Speaker 1: to some degree, they could still use another starter. They
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  Speaker 1: could perhaps use an impact bat, someone who would make
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  Speaker 1: them better than they are right now, and a higher
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  Speaker 1: leverage reliever. And I expect and their general manager, Ross
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  Speaker 1: Atkins has said that they will be aggressive at the deadline.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a great moment for the Blue Jays. Right
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  Speaker 1: now they are paper tigers.
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  Speaker 4: No more, no more like never again, Wow, Ken, look
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  Speaker 4: at you?
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  Speaker 3: Never again, but no more.
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  Speaker 1: For now. This team is different. And Eric also one
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  Speaker 1: more point. Starting in spring training, they were talking about
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  Speaker 1: how the culture is better, they're getting along great. You
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  Speaker 1: hear this from every team every single year, and with
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  Speaker 1: the Blue Jays there was ample reason to be skeptical
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  Speaker 1: because they just hadn't produced. Now they're still talking about
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  Speaker 1: how this team is particularly close and for whatever reason,
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  Speaker 1: it all seems to be working for them. And the
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  Speaker 1: manager too, John has mentioned that he was not as
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  Speaker 1: good as he should have been last year relative to
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  Speaker 1: a number of things, communication, line of construction, all kinds
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  Speaker 1: of issues, and that too has been quite notable with
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  Speaker 1: the Jays.
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  Speaker 4: When they say they're going to be aggressive at the deadline.
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  Speaker 4: This is a front office, in my opinion, should their
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  Speaker 4: jobs should be on the line. And quite frankly, the
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  Speaker 4: guys like you said that they've picked up haven't been
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  Speaker 4: all that great. So it's the guys that have been there.
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  Speaker 4: Do you see their front office saying, oh, man, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I might be on the hot seat here. We're going
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  Speaker 4: all in because ownership clearly isn't afraid to spend.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that I would say it from that
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  Speaker 1: perspective that they're going all in because they're scared to
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  Speaker 1: lose their jobs. If they make the playoffs, they probably
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  Speaker 1: will keep their jobs. That would be my guess anyway,
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  Speaker 1: and they're headed in that direction. Ben Nicholson Smith of
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  Speaker 1: Sportsnet wrote a story yesterday pointing out how when the
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  Speaker 1: have been buyers, they have been aggressive, something like three
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  Speaker 1: trades every time they've been buyers. So this would be
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  Speaker 1: normal behavior for them to be aggressive, not unusual behavior.
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  Speaker 1: So I do expect that they're going to go for it,
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  Speaker 1: so to speak, all in as a phrase that I
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  Speaker 1: don't know that any team looks at it that way,
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  Speaker 1: But yes, they're going to be aggressive, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: know that it's out of fear of losing their jobs.
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  Speaker 1: It's simply the way that they've acted in the past.
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  Speaker 5: And we had Dan Shulman on yesterday the biggest jinks
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  Speaker 5: in sports history, Okay, which I called him out on.
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  Speaker 5: You didn't watch, so you don't get it, But he
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  Speaker 5: said the Yankee series was the best series the Blue
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  Speaker 5: Jays have had in Rogers Center since twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen.
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  Speaker 5: What does that mean for them going forward? Because they
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  Speaker 5: went out swept the Yankees in four games, took over
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  Speaker 5: first place. Is this the kind of series that can
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  Speaker 5: just propel them to the postseason with this one four
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  Speaker 5: game sweep, then obviously they beat the Angels and then
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  Speaker 5: the White Sox.
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  Speaker 3: Do we count them?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I guess it's a big league game. But they've won
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  Speaker 5: these games in a row. But it all started with
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  Speaker 5: the Yankee series and that put them up and now
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  Speaker 5: they're just riding the momentum. Can they ride this to
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  Speaker 5: the end of the year.
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  Speaker 1: Ag I'm always reluctant to assign too much importance to
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  Speaker 1: any one series, especially one that takes place.
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  Speaker 3: In June July.
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  Speaker 1: That said, that was an impressive four game sweep. It
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  Speaker 1: was emotional. They had the candidate Day victory. They had
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  Speaker 1: all kinds of good things happening and it did vault
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  Speaker 1: them into first place. So it remains to be seen
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  Speaker 1: how things will go from here.
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  Speaker 3: Who knows.
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  Speaker 1: They could get hit by injuries, they could start performing poorly.
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  Speaker 1: All kinds of things can happen. But in terms of
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  Speaker 1: this season to this point, it was quite memorable. And
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  Speaker 1: it's the kind of series that if they do go
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  Speaker 1: on to the playoffs and do great things this season,
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  Speaker 1: that they will remember as a turning point for them
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  Speaker 1: because it kind of showed that they did belong with
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  Speaker 1: the Yankees in that echelon of upper class AL teams,
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  Speaker 1: and they prove themselves. Now. They probably felt going into
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  Speaker 1: that series that they were on a level playing field
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  Speaker 1: with the Yankees, but it's one thing to think that,
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  Speaker 1: it's another thing to do it.
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  Speaker 3: They did it.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, let's do a little player spotlight thanks to Arena
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  Speaker 2: think is underrated and you might want to try and
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  Speaker 2: grab his card.
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  Speaker 5: James would. I don't know that he's underrated, but Washington
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  Speaker 5: National's superstar in the making, and the first slab pack
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  Speaker 5: I ever opened had him in it. His rookie card,
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  Speaker 5: and the value is only going to go up and
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  Speaker 5: up and up. And I'm not gonna sell it Kwi yet, Scott.
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to hold on to it because after he
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  Speaker 5: continues to hit big homers and put up the stats
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  Speaker 5: make All Star teams, it's going to get more expensive
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  Speaker 5: for someone to buy.
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  Speaker 2: For me, this is his first full season in the majors.
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  Speaker 2: Keep that in mind. I think he's underrated. He's on
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  Speaker 2: a Nationals team that's man adding enough attention.
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  Speaker 5: He might underrated when he makes the All Star team
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  Speaker 5: this year, They're not going to be underrated.
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  Speaker 3: That helps. He's been intentionally walked four times in a game.
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  Speaker 2: rookie card, go check out slab packs on Arena Club
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  Speaker 2: and right now you can get twenty percent off your
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  Speaker 2: first lab pack. Or if you just want to go
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  Speaker 2: go for it.
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  Speaker 1: Ken.
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  Speaker 2: I'll change directions to a team that could sell some parts,
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  Speaker 2: but could do it in a different way. If there's
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  Speaker 2: a front office shake up, can you tell us about
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  Speaker 2: what you wrote in The Athletic this morning regarding the
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  Speaker 2: Rockies front office, and my little follow up to include
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  Speaker 2: is do you think that firings can be contagious in
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  Speaker 2: Major League Baseball? Being that they are generally done by
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  Speaker 2: really one person per team, the control the owner of
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  Speaker 2: that particular franchise, They.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely can be contagious. Whether they will be in this
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  Speaker 1: case remains to be seen. Now full disclosure, I was
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  Speaker 1: working on a Rockies front office story even before the
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  Speaker 1: Nationals dismissed Mike Rizzo and.
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  Speaker 3: Davey Martinez the other day.
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  Speaker 1: And one reason I was reluctant to even advance the
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  Speaker 1: idea of what I was hearing, which was chatter about
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  Speaker 1: Bill Smith getting reassigned, is that teams generally don't replace
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  Speaker 1: general managers or heads of baseball operations before the deadline.
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  Speaker 1: And I looked up, and I don't know that this
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  Speaker 1: is exactly accurate, but it's what I came up with.
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  Speaker 1: The last GM to be fired before the deadline before
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  Speaker 1: Rizzo was Terry Ryan in twenty sixteen. You generally want
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  Speaker 1: to keep your front offices together for the draft, for
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  Speaker 1: the deadline, and then you make moves later. The Nationals
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  Speaker 1: broke that mold the other day when they made those
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  Speaker 1: moves with Rizzo and to a lesser extent Martinez, would
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  Speaker 1: the Rockies do the same. They're not an organization as
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  Speaker 1: we know that is very aggressive, very forward thinking, very
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  Speaker 1: cutting edge, any word or term that you want to use.
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  Speaker 1: But certainly after what the Nationals did, you could say
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  Speaker 1: their Rockies have even more reason to act because, of
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  Speaker 1: course they're headed toward a record historic losing season. So
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that it's going to transpire in that
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  Speaker 1: way the way that the Nationals did. But at the
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  Speaker 1: same time, their owner Dick Montfort has talked about how, yes,
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  Speaker 1: we understand the criticism that we're too insular. The other
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  Speaker 1: co owner, Charlie Montfort, less influential with the team, has
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  Speaker 1: said we need new faces. So when they talk about
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  Speaker 1: that with regard to the front office, it seems almost
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  Speaker 1: fade a complete that.
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  Speaker 3: Bill Schmidt will be replaced.
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  Speaker 1: The question is when.
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  Speaker 4: Some of the Times in the article you wrote about
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  Speaker 4: how but history says the Rockies are maybe just going
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  Speaker 4: to not replace him, but just redelegate his.
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  Speaker 3: Duties.
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  Speaker 4: Is there a chance that the league steps in in
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  Speaker 4: this situation with the Rockies in the sense of there's
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  Speaker 4: not a competitiveness, but they're willing to. They're like checking
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  Speaker 4: all the boxes that the League would just be like, hey, whatever,
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  Speaker 4: if you just want to keep putting your money in,
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  Speaker 4: you have a team, we don't ever need to step
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  Speaker 4: in because they're so insular, but they're never they haven't
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  Speaker 4: been competitive for a long time.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, Eric, it seems to me they realize
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  Speaker 1: that they need to go outside, and going outside with
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  Speaker 1: that organization is a little tricky because, as I wrote,
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  Speaker 1: you have to have, it would seem some familiarity, some
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  Speaker 1: intimate knowledge of the challenges of.
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  Speaker 3: Playing a Coors Field to succeed. There.
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't mean that you can't hire someone who has never
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  Speaker 1: been there and have that person turn the team around,
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  Speaker 1: but someone who has worked for the Rockies, who understands
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  Speaker 1: the challenges of altitude, that probably would be the way
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  Speaker 1: to go. So in that sense, they might be a
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  Speaker 1: little insular still, but at least they be going to
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  Speaker 1: someone who has gone to other organizations after working for
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  Speaker 1: the Rockies, and I mentioned some names in there. Now,
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  Speaker 1: will the League ever step in on a situation like this?
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  Speaker 3: The answer seemingly is no.
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  Speaker 1: Only only times the League has stepped in to kind
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  Speaker 1: of disrupt things. Would be when an ownership is financially negligent.
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  Speaker 3: Them courts in Los Angeles, that was one.
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  Speaker 1: But generally speaking, MLB lets the clubs run themselves. They're
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  Speaker 1: franchises of Major League Baseball, but they are independently owned,
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  Speaker 1: and they don't ever get in the way of a
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  Speaker 1: front office. Even if a front office is performing really poorly.
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  Speaker 1: It wouldn't just be the Rockies we'd be talking about.
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  Speaker 1: If we wanted the mL one of the league to
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  Speaker 1: step in and do some things, it would be other
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  Speaker 1: teams as well. They don't do that, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: know that they should. When an ownership is committing financial
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  Speaker 1: malpractice or doing things that are borderline unethical, then that's
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  Speaker 1: different story. Yes, the league should step in, but to
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  Speaker 1: correct the ills of a front office, No, they don't
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  Speaker 1: do that, and I'm not sure sure that they should.
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  Speaker 5: Great, But speaking of front offices, can you mentioned it
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  Speaker 5: a little bit when you talked about the Nationals. It
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  Speaker 5: was weird timing for me that they fired Rizzo right
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  Speaker 5: before the draft. They have the first pick in the draft.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure that pick has already been you know, consummated
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  Speaker 5: or whatever. You know, whether it's Holiday or Kate Anderson
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  Speaker 5: or whoever it is that they decide to pick first.
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  Speaker 5: But it's just strange timing. You fire the GM. I
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  Speaker 5: know they promoted an interim GM, but usually you want
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  Speaker 5: to wait till after the draft and after the trade
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  Speaker 5: deadline to do this, Like you mentioned, why do this now?
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  Speaker 5: I don't know this for a fact, but I was
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  Speaker 5: on teams Tom Kelly one time. You know, they wanted
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  Speaker 5: to get rid of his pitching coach, and he said no,
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  Speaker 5: so he left with them. Is this the case where
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  Speaker 5: maybe Learner came to Rizzio? And again, I don't know
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  Speaker 5: if this is the fact or it just is such
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  Speaker 5: weird timing. And Rizzo has been there for so long
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  Speaker 5: that the learner maybe came to him and said, hey, Mike,
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  Speaker 5: you got to fire a Davy And he's like no,
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  Speaker 5: and he's like okay, you're both gone now. Again, this
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  Speaker 5: is all speculation, this is not a fact. I have
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  Speaker 5: no idea if this is the right thing, but I've
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  Speaker 5: seen this happen before. Is this the case, because it's
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  Speaker 5: just such odd timing, not for a manager but for
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  Speaker 5: a GM.
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  Speaker 1: If that's the case, AJ, I have not confirmed it yet,
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  Speaker 1: and I've heard that theory. That theory makes sense to
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  Speaker 1: me that Rizzo would say you fire him, you gotta
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  Speaker 1: fire me too, or something along those lines, but I
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  Speaker 1: have not confirmed it now. The timing is related to
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  Speaker 1: the options in their contracts. It's been reported a couple
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  Speaker 1: of different ways, but they both had options for next year,
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  Speaker 1: and Davey Martinez is certainly was an option that had
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  Speaker 1: to be decided on this month. So when you have that, yes,
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  Speaker 1: there is some decision that has to come into play.
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  Speaker 1: And Davey Martinez and Mike Rizzo have been so closely
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  Speaker 1: tied together they won the World Series together.
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  Speaker 3: In twenty nineteen, that I.
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  Speaker 1: Could see the logic of if one goes, then the
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  Speaker 1: other has to go from ownership's perspective. The other thing
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  Speaker 1: that might have driven this a little bit were was
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  Speaker 1: the comments made by Davey Martinez a couple of weeks
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  Speaker 1: ago when he said, hey, it's not on the coaches,
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  Speaker 1: it's on the players, And he later backtracked and tried
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  Speaker 1: to get out of it the next day. But that
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  Speaker 1: kind of talk never goes over well. And I remember
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  Speaker 1: covering the Oriols one year where Ray Miller said after
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  Speaker 1: a Sunday afternoon loss.
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  Speaker 3: He was managing the team at the time.
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  Speaker 1: Go talk to the players there, the ones making all
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  Speaker 1: the money. They didn't fire them the next day, but
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  Speaker 1: they fired them eventually, and it's just that kind of
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  Speaker 1: thing that never sits well.
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  Speaker 3: So given that in the.
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  Speaker 1: Team's performance and the fact that they have the second
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  Speaker 1: most losses in baseball since winning the twenty nineteen World Series,
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  Speaker 1: second only to the Colorado Rockies, all of these factors
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  Speaker 1: played a role, I am certain of that. Whether it
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  Speaker 1: was prompted by Rizzo's standing up for Davey Martinez or
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  Speaker 1: trying to that, I do not.
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  Speaker 2: Know ken to spin this forward. Where do you think
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  Speaker 2: the Nationals go at the trade deadline? I mean, they've
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  Speaker 2: got their young core. There are definitely a few parts
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  Speaker 2: that they could probably sell off. But they had one
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  Speaker 2: guy running the ship for how long was it since
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and nine? I think Rizzo took over, and
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  Speaker 2: he's been with the ORC since two thousand and six,
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  Speaker 2: so close to two decades of the same person running
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  Speaker 2: point and trades are complicated. So could this mean that
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  Speaker 2: the Nationals are kind of just flow voting around until
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  Speaker 2: the offseason.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: That this is what it means.
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  Speaker 1: They've got an assistant Jim that they elevated to the
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  Speaker 1: interim role. Mike de Bartelow, who has been in trade
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  Speaker 1: talks before.
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  Speaker 3: It's not like this is new to him now.
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  Speaker 1: He has not run an organization before.
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  Speaker 3: That is new to him. So we'll see.
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  Speaker 1: They don't really have a lot to trade. Kyle Finnigan
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  Speaker 1: would be their most interesting guy on an expiring contract.
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  Speaker 1: Mike Soroka would have some interest to teams perhaps. As
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  Speaker 1: for the others, Nathaniel Lowe is on a two year
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  Speaker 1: deal expires after twenty six He's not performing that well.
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  Speaker 1: There isn't that much that they necessarily would want to do.
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  Speaker 1: The one guy that I find very interesting is McKenzie gore,
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  Speaker 1: all star left hander who is at the same level
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  Speaker 1: of service that Juan Sota was when the Nationals traded
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  Speaker 1: him to the Padres at the twenty twenty two deadline.
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  Speaker 1: And he might say, well, why would you trade McKenzie Gore. Well,
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  Speaker 1: he's represented by Scott bors. Scott Boris generally likes his
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  Speaker 1: clients to establish their values on the open market. An
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: extension would appear unlikely, especially with the Nationals not spending
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: the way they once did, So that would be admitting
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: that the team needs to go backwards before going forwards again.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: And maybe the Nationals don't want to admit that, but
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: their system is not in a place to support Gore
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: and James Wood and c. J.
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  Speaker 3: Abrams.
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  Speaker 1: They've got those three guys from the trade and then
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: might get a few others from that trade as well.
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  Speaker 1: But it will be interesting to me to see if
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: they are willing to entertain Gore, because that guy, if
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: he got out there, then we're talking a monster package
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: in return. And let's face it, they need more players.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Ken, last one for you, and it's a fan question,
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: but it's going to spark a little bit of a
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: different twist from me. So MC in the chat said
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: Freddie Prato, Jose Cantana and Rhys Hoskins get traded, question
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: Mark and what kind of return. I know we've talked
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: about the Brewers and they're in a playoff spot right now.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: He brought up how they did the hater move several
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: years back, but that obviously caused up roarer in Milwaukee.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: So I'm curious. This is the twist I'll put on it. Ken,
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: could you see a team like this, do a baseball trade,
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: and maybe there are more baseball trades this year, being
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: that we don't have many sellers with big time assets
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: to offer, including a team like the Braves. Right, they're
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: probably not going to make the playoffs, but they don't
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: have a lot to sell. So could you see a
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: team like Milwaukee saying, hey, let me trade from a
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: strength to get something that we need that helps us.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Now, yes, I could see a baseball trade happening, and
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: which you mean by that, Scott is not a money deal,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: not a player for prospects deal, pure need for need.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Those kinds of deals should happen more often this year
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: because so many teams are in the race. Now, granted
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: we've got several weeks to go before the deadline, things
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: could change, teams could fall out.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: The Brewers are not going to be one of.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Those teams, in my opinion, and they're not going to
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: trade Peralta. The Hater trade scarred the organization and it
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: left them with an understanding that that kind of deal
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: when you're in a playoff position is while at the
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: same time it could be beneficial long term, and it
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: did prove to be that.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: That got them.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: William Contraras. It's something that was just too disruptive at
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: the time and it cost them perhaps a playoff spot
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: that year. So I could see them doing some things maybe, Kintana.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: They are deep in starting pitching. I've talked about this
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: all season long. It's crazy they can do some things
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: with a starting pitcher. I just don't know that it
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: would be Peralta Reys Hoskins hurt right now. I don't
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: know that they would do it with him either. They
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: need all the offense they can get, but a starting
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: pitcher perhaps, Yes.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: I like it, Yeah, maybe Kintana. I like what Brandon
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Woodriff was thrown to the table, thrown on the table
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: this past week and another guy returning for them. It's
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: good stuff. Ken, Thank you appreciate it. We'll catch on
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Fair Territory later this week. Thanks guys, and you'll also
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: be able to see Ken in Atlanta. Of course, he'll
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: be on the game coverage for Fox for the All
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Star Game on Tuesday. He'll make a little stop by
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: on Monday or Tuesday. We're going to be at the
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Truest Community Corner. It's in the Battery on the fourteenth
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: and the fifteenth. Those are the two big Days Monday
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: and Tuesday. It's presented by Truist. We're excited to be there.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: We'll do our live show in front of an audience,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: which could be you. If you're in the area, or
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: if you are traveling over there and making a whole
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: little trip out of it, then stop by, just look
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: up where it is and go for it. One to
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: three Eastern we will do live shows back to back days.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: I'll be there, AJ will be there, Crats will be there,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: and guests of course, including Ken our foul Territory Atlanta
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Takeover Krats. I don't think no, you weren't there, but
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: the Josh Hayter trade obviously rocked Milwaukee. To me, I
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: don't use that as a trend. I use that as
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: a learning lesson for a franchise that said to themselves, hey,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: even if there's something that makes sense for us, we
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: have to be careful about the timing. There is a
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: pr component to trades.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: I mean this would be an example of hey, you
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: know what, it's good they hired a g that was
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: here during that time so they understand. You know, we
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: just talked about the Rockies. Don't want to be insular
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: with things. Matt Arnold understands he brought it up when
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: he came on the show. David Stearns understands it didn't
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: go well. Doesn't mean you can't make those trades. I
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: think teams like the Brewers, I think teams like the
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: Pirates need to make those types of trades. They have
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: to be able to handle it ahead of time so
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: that the team doesn't just fall apart. And they were pissed.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: Obviously the team still has to win, but the players
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: were pissed.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I went in there right after. They weren't very happy,
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: went in there, did a Brewers game right after. They
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: weren't very happy about that tree. But listen, the certain
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: organizations have to do things to what they feel is
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: good for the long term. And yeah, it hurt in
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: the short term, but what they got back, you know,
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: they hope will help them down the road to continue
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: to stay in playoff relevance. So the Brewers have done
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: a good job on it of it. So you can't
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: really fault the front office of what they've done.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: Where they play as much as he saw them.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: But as much as it sucks, as much as it
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: sucks for the for the players on that team in
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: that year.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: AJ where the players like damn it, stupid front office.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: When you saw.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: Them, they were just sad because they couldn't believe that
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: it happened right. They thought they were a race and
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: trade dis closer. It doesn't happen