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Podcasting 2.0 - Episode 276: "Jackleg leechers" · KDAV Radio

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  Podcasting 2.0 for October 23rd, 2026, episode 276, Jack Leg
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  Leachers. Hello everybody, welcome once again to Podcasting 2.0 where
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  we talk about all things podcasting. And yeah, that includes
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  some... We'll be right back. friend on the other end,
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  the one, the only, Mr. Dan! During that intro, you
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  got so far into the can... Into the can? You
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  are deep in the can. What do you mean the
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  can? What can? In a can. It sounds like you're
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  in a can. I'm not. I'm not in a can.
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  Or a foxhole or something. You're listening on the wrong
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  device somehow. You're listening. I just got my headphones on.
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  No, no, there's no way. There's no way. Something is
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  wrong with your setup. So in the can like echo,
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  we can like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  no, no, no, it's just not possible. No, I'm telling
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  you, I wish I could record it. I wish you
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  could, too, because I don't know how to, though. I
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  guess I could put my phone up to my ear
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  can. It is the wildest thing. I have no idea
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  what you're witnessing. Very in a can. I'm not in
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  a can, though. I'm here. And the stream sounds fine.
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  So if the stream sounds fine... Okay, I just recorded
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  it. Okay, all right. I just recorded it for my
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  own sanity. Okay, all right. Let's play it back. I'm
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  listening. I'm ready. Oh, you're going to share it? You're
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  going to share it with me? I'm going to send
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  it to you. Okay, all right. Send it to me.
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  And then I will play it directly from here, and
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  we'll see if that's how I sound. Share. Now, this
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  is going to be a perfect reproduction because I held
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  my cell phone up to the can of my headphone.
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  So whatever you're about to hear is going to be
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  absolutely perfect. Okay. High Fideliti. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Are you
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  sending it through signal? Okay, here we go. No, it's
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  just not possible. I'm telling you, I wish I could
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  record it. I wish you could, too. I don't know
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  how to, though. I guess I could put my phone
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  up to my ear can. It is the wildest thing.
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  Do you hear it? No, no. It's very hard to...
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  hear you didn't you didn't hear from that high quality
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  recording well it sounded like crap so it did it
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  sounded horrible oh i'm sorry i don't know the only
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  thing i can think is that something is going wrong
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  with the with the return through uh my uh clean
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  feed clone I mean, I just say we just blame
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  the Rodecaster firmware. Oh, you know, oh, I did just
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  update the Rodecaster firmware. That is a possibility. It would
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  be bad if that's what it was. Let me just
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  check. Well, but the boardroom says that they don't hear
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  anything wrong. But maybe it's only my channel. Let me
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  just check. Outputs. Let me just check. It's due. Yes,
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  it is due. We haven't had a good road caster
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  firmware diarrhea in a while. Well, that is entirely possible,
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  and that makes me sad if that's what happened. uh
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  running php yeah definitely absolutely it is 100 it is
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  well let's talk about that for a second because holy
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  guacamole what a what a week you've had brother what
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  a week and and What a week all CIS administrators
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  have had around the world, and they do not get
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  enough respect. They do not. They need prayer. They need...
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  Chocolates, little presents, little back rubs, all kinds. No emails.
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  Don't send an email thanking your C7. They don't want
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  to hear your email. They just want just a like,
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  hey, thank you for what you do. Thank you for
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  your service. Thank you for your courage. And I thank
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  you, Dave Jones, because I. I had my own servers
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  to deal with, and that was minimal stuff. And you
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  maintaining the podcast index, amongst other things like, I don't
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  know, a whole accounting office, Godcaster's backend, you really hustled,
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  brother. Yeah, so I do – I do sysadmin. I
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  mean, obviously, it's my day job, but then also I
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  have Godcaster Podcast Index and then also have just –
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  As all IT people do, you get sucked into supporting
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  some stuff for other people, friends, family, things like that.
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  Oh, that's the worst. Oh, yeah. I know. I know.
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  I know. I know. I know. I have like –
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  so I've ended up with like nine, roughly nine production
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  PHP websites. Oh. Just kind of spread out all over
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  the place that I manage. Most of the websites, most
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  of the stuff, the servers that I manage, they're not
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  Internet-facing. They don't face the public, but there's nine of
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  them that do. Two of them were pretty – Well,
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  I didn't know anything was going on until Stephen Crater
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  posted on podcastindex.social. He's like – he just reposted the
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  PHP like – Alert. Alert. Yeah. CVE. Uh-huh. And I
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  was like, because I had gotten up early, I think
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  I'd gotten up, you know, pretty early that day. And
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  I was like, well, I mean, I'm going to get
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  started on some stuff because I was in the middle
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  of some stuff with the Index. And no, no, I
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  was working on the Godcaster MCP. That's what it was.
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  And so... I start working on that, and then I
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  just glance over at Stephen Crater. His thing says PHP
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  9.2 CVE. I'm like, oh, God. Yeah. Oh, no. Yeah.
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  And then that was what that ended up. So... Let
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  me make an observation before you move on. So my
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  observation was that... This was either a moment where every
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  systems administrator went, holy crap, this is really, really bad,
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  and just ripped everything offline because government websites, I mean,
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  there was all kinds of stuff was down, or it
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  was – systems administrators going, oh man, I get to
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  do something else this morning. Let me rip all this
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  stuff off. Suffer! Suffer, you creep! Suffer! No, it was
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  not that. That was not the way. It was the
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  first one, not the second one. Because like... I mean,
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  the NSA, the FBI, they were all just putting out
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  like Twitter posts saying, yeah, take your stuff down. Just
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  turn your sites off. If you've got a website that
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  runs PHP, just turn it off. And was that a
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  valid response from them? That's... That's an interesting question. In
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  some circumstances, yes. Mm-hmm. Yeah, not across the board, but
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  yes to some of that, because the issue here was
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  that or the overarching issue with this PHP catastrophe was
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  – Let me just let me frame it like this.
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  It starts this whole the whole PHP story with this
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  issue starts with some jack leg releasing the details of
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  the exploit ahead of. The responsible disclosure deadline. So when
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  you say Jack Leg, is that a person's name or
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  is that a slur? It is a more kind version
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  of Jackass. Oh, okay. Jack Leg. I'm going to –
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  that's show title. There we go. Jack Leg. Yes. I
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  mean there – There are many jack legs in the
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  security influencer community, and this is like – because the
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  way responsible disclosure is supposed to work is that you
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  privately report the problem, the vulnerability, and show – with
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  proof of exploit – And then you use the time
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  when it's under privacy to responsibly go to all the
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  vendors involved, the Linux distros, the software packages, software maintainers.
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  You go through the whole, you notify everyone, give everyone
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  a timeline for how long it's going to take to
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  fix the bug and distribute it to all the systems
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  that are going to push those fixes downstream. So in
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  this case, it would be things like WordPress, WordPress. Yeah,
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  I'd say that was the biggest WordPress. Yeah, who's the
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  other one? Who's the big WordPress reseller? That had a
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  falling out with them. I forgot. But anyway, like them,
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  you know, all the Linux distro. What is your –
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  isn't your Jamie telling you? Your Jamie bot? I'm not
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  even looking at that. I think it's useless. But the
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  – so you're supposed to do all that and then
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  you – Go public once all the patches are poised
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  and ready to drop, ready to go in their repository.
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  But this was some jack leg going, oh, cool, I've
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  got an exclusive. Breaking! One of those guys? Yes. Yes.
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  And this happens all the time. I think I said
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  this on the other day. Security... Influencers are like unbearable.
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  These people are so annoying because they not only disclose
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  early because they just want some attention. They just want
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  to get clicks and reposts on Twitter. But they also
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  pile on. So anytime there's a big vulnerable, a big,
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  horrible vulnerability, they're also going to be like, oh, yeah,
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  check out these other seven, you know, I know. I
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  know. I sent you I sent you a link. You're
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  like, these people are insufferable. I'm like, OK, I'll just
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  step away from Dave for a little while. I'm not
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  going to be posting anything. Well, and so the other
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  part of that was Node had big expenses. Node.js, yeah.
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  Yeah. And so our website, the Podcast Index website runs
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  Node. And up until yesterday, it ran a version of
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  Node that was woefully out of date. uh, node 16.
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  And it's on like a 24 LTS right now. So
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  it was like a way out of date and I
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  knew it was out of date, but we, you know,
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  we've, you're slow to update. And I agree with that
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  policy. Yeah, and I tend to – okay, here's the
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  thing about patching when it comes to this kind of
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  stuff. My... philosophy on how to And I'm going to
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  admit up front that this philosophy – It's flawed. It's
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  flaw philosophy. Flaw philosophy. Yeah. Philosophy. Philosophy. Yes. Philosophy. Yes.
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  This flaw philosophy is – Uh, now I think out
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  of date. So, up until recently, and this is going
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  to be part of – I'm going to explain what
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  all that I did behind the scenes this week. But
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  up until recently, patching and migrating systems from one version
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  of a framework to another or one OS to another
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  was – A chore. And it always involved breakage most
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  of the time. Yeah. And that's why anytime you had
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  to say, let's say you go from Laura, Laura, Laura,
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  Laura framework 12 to Laura framework 13. That's a bad
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  example. Let's say Laura framework 10 to 11. That had
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  a big document that went with it showing all of
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  the breaking changes. And there was actually entire services that
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  I'm sure they're still around. There's entire services where you
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  can hire them. And their only job, their contractors, their
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  only job was to come in and do your job.
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  Laravel framework upgrade. They would comb through your – of
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  course, they had scripts that would look for all these
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  things, and they would make this process easier. Well, and
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  so for those reasons, upgrades in the past have always
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  come with a lot of risk. And when you're a
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  small team or a single solo person, what my philosophy
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  has always been is that – you look at what
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  the potential problem is, you look at the vulnerability or
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  the issue, and, And then... You look at your ability
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  to mitigate it. And if your ability to mitigate it
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  Um, is sufficient, then do the mitigation, don't do the
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  patch or don't do the migration. And the reason is
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  because most vulnerabilities fall into the category of something that's
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  very easy to spot. So you can – or there's
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  a flaw. It's like PHP. It's been years and years
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  and years since there has been a flaw of this
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  magnitude or anything close to it in PHP core. Most
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  PHP flaws end up being in the modules or the
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  extensions that go along with it.
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  or in particular libraries, or in non-default configurations. And so
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  those are easy to mitigate. You just upgrade the library,
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  or you make sure that you're not using that Non-standard
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  configuration. It's sort of like NGINX. You know, they had
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  this big, huge NGINX vulnerability this past year. But most
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  of that fell down to – because you had –
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  this is actually a perfect example. So the NGINX vulnerability
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  came down to using – positional parameters in a regular
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  expression as a redirect. I always stay away from that.
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  You should never do it. No, it's the stupidest thing
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  ever. Positional parameters in a non-conditional redirect. Are you kidding
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  me now? Show title. No, Jack Leg is still leading.
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  So... That was the vulnerability. Well, that vulnerability got fixed
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  and then update to NGINX. Okay, so now you –
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  so you have two options to fix this issue. You
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  can either change away from and use named parameters and
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  not positional, which is like it takes 30 seconds to
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  make this change. Or you can schedule a downtime window
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  to upgrade your version of Nginx. Why would you do
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  the downtime? Right. You just get in there and just
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  fix the statement. And so this is the sort of
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  thing that most problems fall into that situation. category and
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  you can mitigate them by all sorts of other things
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  and you don't ever touch production in a destructive way.
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  I... The AI agent stuff has changed this game completely.
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  Yeah. Yeah. And so now this is not – I've
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  really changed my mind over the last few days about
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  this because what I was presented with was – I
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  just went through – first of all, I went through
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  and just turned all the – internet facing PHP sites
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  that I ran. I just turned them all off. Yeah.
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  and said, all right, we're going to do this one
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  at a time. Do we know if anyone got popped
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  on this? I haven't heard anything about it. I know
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  there – I've heard tons of people saying they're seeing
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  exploits, like Cloudflare and Amazon Web Services have both said
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  they're seeing exploit attempts. Mm-hmm. So I just turned everything
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  off according to what was being recommended because we didn't
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  have any details yet. Right. And the details were being
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  released at, what, 9 a.m. Central or something. And… So
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  I turned them all off and I was like, okay,
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  we're just going to fix this. As soon as the
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  patches drop, we're going to fix this easiest to most
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  difficult. And... The easiest ones were the Godcaster staging and
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  Godcaster production. because those were very recent launches. They were
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  only, you know, those servers were only like a couple
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  years old. And so they were still on, everything was
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  supported. There was no end of life anything. So as
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  soon as the patches hit, actually the hardest part was
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  just waiting for it. Ubuntu's mirrors to get the updated
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  package. Everyone was waiting for that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So
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  as soon as those things hit our mirror, you know,
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  I just installed it, you know, cycled the server, done.
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  Then... The next hardest one was Podcast Index. Podcast Index
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  had three... internet-facing PHP sites. The two API front-end servers.
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  and podcasterwallet.com. But PodcasterWallet.com is still off. That virtual machine
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  is still powered down because I think we need to
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  have a discussion about whether it's still even needed. But
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  that's a different discussion. The two API front-end servers... Those
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  were running Ubuntu 20 LTS, which is end of life
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  now. And they were running PHP 7.4, I believe. So,
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  The... The most straightforward way to get up to date
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  on those was to – upgrade was to do a
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  release upgrade to Ubuntu 22, which is still in support,
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  and that would have a backported patch for PHP 8.2.
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  So I just put in a UFW firewall rule to
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  block all HTTP traffic. That way it could still boot
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  those machines up and SSH into them. And I just
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  did the regular Ubuntu release, do release upgrade script. Let
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  those – Did the first one, let it rebuild, as
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  is typical with Ubuntu when it comes up. And there's
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  a lot of things are – release upgrades are hard.
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  They don't – they break a lot of stuff. So
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  I had to go through and clean up a lot
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  of things. In the process, I lost the PHP FPM
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  configuration file. So I had to actually go into –
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  it had all the fine-tuning that we use, you know?
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  Yeah. Yeah. So I went into Linode and restored the
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  previous day's backup to a separate machine so I could
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  pull those config files off. Restored those. into saved a
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  copy of that, restored it into the first front-end server,
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  then powercycled that, then did the second one, updated everything,
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  removed the UFW firewall rule, opened back traffic up, and
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  good to go. Um, And so then those were good.
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  I turned, I decided to just leave podcaster wallet off
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  and, I had another server that I... um, that I
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  worked on, or excuse me, that I support for a
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  family member for their business, a backup and a backup
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  to that backup and a backup to the backup to
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  the backup. Exactly. Yes, exactly. I was like, um, you
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  know, this one's just going to stay off for a
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  couple of days. Uh, so I moved on. I did,
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  then I did, uh, Then I went on to my
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  – a couple of other servers that I manage. And
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  I will say in this, these were all, I was
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  bouncing back and forth. I had, I had agents going
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  all over the place. Yeah, I'll bet. And this is
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  all just side work while, you know, I'm also having
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  to handle my day job. That's the primary thing that
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  I'm, that I'm actually focused on. So I'm just this,
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  while that thing is working, I'm, I'm just sprinkling in
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  these other things at the same time as I can.
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  So I'll say that – One of the servers that
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  I manage... ended up It is a very complex configuration.
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  Um... And I'll be deliberately vague about it. It was
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  a very complex configuration and... It ended up being the
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  best way to get this thing patched was to move
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  it From one hosting company to I was going to
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  move this from one hosting company to another anyway. So
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  I'm like, I was going to have to build a
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  new VM regardless. So I was like, OK, I'm going
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  to go ahead and move. I'm just going to take
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  this opportunity to move this box from one host to
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  another. So I spun – I had the other ones
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  – the existing one was spun up with a UFW
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  firewall rule blocking all web traffic. Spun up the new
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  one in the new hosting environment. And I said, all
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  right, Claude Code, give me an SSH key that I
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  can put on both of these boxes. And It's going
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  to be a temporary key. I'm going to put it
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  in the authorized keys file on both sides. I'm going
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  to give you... Um, I'm going to give you the
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  IP addresses and the usernames of both of these boxes.
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  And I want you to get into the current box
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  that's going to be decommissioned, and I want you to
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  just do an extensive profile of this machine and tell
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  me everything in it that is going to have to
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  move to the new machine. And it chug, chug, chug,
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  chug, chug. It just did its thing for a while,
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  for an uncomfortably long period of time. And then it
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  came back and it was like, all right, I got
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  it. I know everything, and it listed every single thing
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  out. I did a review, looked at all the stuff.
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  Now this thing has got integration points with microservices in
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  different places. Microservices architecture. Yes. Yes, yes. It is a
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  complicated configuration. It's one of those snowflake servers that have
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  built up over – seven or eight years that you
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  make little tweaks to and then you never document you
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  know that kind of thing and you become very afraid
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  to touch it yeah yeah so it profiled all that
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  stuff out and it was like all right you ready
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  for me to go and i'm going to put all
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  this stuff on the new box i was like yes
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  go starts doing his thing, chugga, chugga, chugga, chugga. And
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  then – After about 45 minutes, it's like... All right,
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  you're up and running. And I was like, okay, so
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  I go and check it. It looked good. Things were
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  running. And then I start going through the checklist of
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  like, you know, what did what did you miss? And
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  of course, it missed a lot of stuff. But I'm
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  start going through the checklist and I'm like, you know,
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  you missed you know, you missed this service. You missed
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  this service. And it's like, OK, got it. Boom. Flip
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  it over. Yeah. And then I'm like, OK, you missed
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  you missed this one. It's over there. And I'm like,
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  okay, we split DNS. Okay, you need to change this
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  on this side, this on this side. And I'm like,
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  here, here's an API key for our web application firewall.
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  Make sure that it's properly load balanced. Done. So all
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  in all, this took about two and a half hours.
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  But it did it perfectly. Yeah. And now in the
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  process of doing this, it's now on everything is current,
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  on the most current release of Ubuntu, current release of
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  PHP. Everything has been updated. And I think this is
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  the gift in general. I had my own small version
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  of that because Freedom Controller was still running on a
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  relatively expensive box. then there was, you know, it's a
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  aggregator, which I really don't use anymore, but the aggregator
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  is still running, getting blocked everywhere because it's on a
• 26:43
  Linode address. And, but it's still an integral part of
• 26:47
  my publishing process. And, It's Dave Jones' PHP special under
• 26:54
  the hood. Don't look. Don't look. With blowers coming through
• 26:58
  the hood. And like, you know, it's time. And so
• 27:03
  I wound up taking it offline and rebuilding it. The
• 27:07
  functionality of the publishing in the OPML editor, I actually
• 27:11
  wound up creating my own standalone OPML editor. Please tell
• 27:16
  me that you have completely decommissioned Freedom Controller. Yes, completely
• 27:21
  decommissioned. Hallelujah. Thank you, Jesus. Yes. God is good, brother.
• 27:27
  And I'm serious about that because don't look at the
• 27:30
  code. Nobody ever look at the code. The robot looked
• 27:33
  at the code and went, why don't I just rebuild
• 27:36
  all this? Yeah. Hey, Adam, I have a suggestion. I
• 27:43
  know it's load-bearing for your systems, but why don't I
• 27:47
  just rebuild all of this? Can we talk about this
• 27:51
  for one minute? I had a little OPML editor that
• 27:55
  I was using for my shows, and so I wound
• 27:59
  up. Rebuilding it with the publishing process, the HTML rendering,
• 28:05
  it's going to the object storage bucket, the redirector, all
• 28:10
  of that stuff, all of that rebuilt. And the redirector
• 28:15
  is now in AWS CloudFront. I mean, everything the way
• 28:18
  it should be done properly. And it's I think it
• 28:23
  gets shut down. I mean, it's off basically, but I
• 28:26
  don't want to delete it because once you delete it
• 28:30
  on Linode, it's gone. So, you know, let's just save
• 28:34
  this for a bit and see if anything breaks, which
• 28:36
  it hasn't so far. So it really was a wonderful
• 28:39
  opportunity to just go and fix stuff that had been
• 28:42
  on my list for a long time. You know, like
• 28:45
  you with your – I needed to rebuild that thing.
• 28:48
  So I think in a way it was also good.
• 28:50
  You know, it's like I think everybody had a version
• 28:52
  of that. Like, oh, you know, this crap I've been
• 28:54
  looking at for so long. Let me just fix it
• 28:56
  right this time instead of – if it was just
• 28:58
  a patch, we all would have done patches. And now
• 29:01
  it's like, yeah, we got to update, got to get
• 29:03
  the right stuff. Yeah. And so to me, it was
• 29:07
  super advantageous. So I'm kind of happy about that. But
• 29:10
  I was praying for you, brother. And I mean that.
• 29:14
  I'm like, ah. Well, yeah, there's another. There's a second.
• 29:18
  So I ended up doing Grand Total ended up doing.
• 29:22
  For... Of that. Yeah. For migrations, essentially, of a search
• 29:29
  to just – because the server I was dealing with
• 29:34
  was so end of life. Yeah. That it just wasn't
• 29:37
  worth trying to patch that thing. And just once I
• 29:39
  had that first experience with one of our mission critical
• 29:43
  systems, I was like, okay, okay. This is doable. I
• 29:47
  can do this. It's going to – each one of
• 29:49
  these is going to take a couple of hours, but
• 29:52
  pre-agentic, it would have – I mean this would have
• 29:55
  taken me a couple of days.
• 30:00
  customer who has video enclosures and we wanted to migrate
• 30:04
  it over to RSS.com. And Alberto, bless him, man. He's
• 30:08
  like, you know, this is good because we actually wanted
• 30:11
  to do all this stuff. And he comes up with
• 30:13
  this whole HLS video audio, which is exactly the way
• 30:16
  it should be done. But we had a clock running
• 30:18
  out. because this customer wanted to really migrate off of
• 30:22
  pod beam and and now i knew you were because
• 30:26
  you looked at the email alberto sent and you're like
• 30:28
  uh okay this is not something i'm gonna be able
• 30:31
  to do today and and so and and you know
• 30:35
  the And all of a sudden, I went like, well,
• 30:38
  why am I so stupid? I'm just going to spin
• 30:41
  up a $5 Linode, little mini host, set in a
• 30:44
  301 redirect, made a whole upload page, everything. So we're
• 30:49
  safe. No clock running. And it took me, I don't
• 30:52
  know, maybe an hour total. And I didn't do the
• 30:56
  DNS. I didn't do the Linode setup. The agent did
• 31:00
  all of that. I just directed it and said, you
• 31:03
  know, why don't you connect that to op3.dev? So we
• 31:06
  got some stats, put a stats button on there. And
• 31:09
  it's like lifesaver, lifesaver. And it looks like magic. This
• 31:14
  is the problem. It is sort of a problem, yeah.
• 31:19
  We used to call guys that could do that, like,
• 31:21
  wow, you're a code ninja. Ninja, warrior. Wizard. Wizard. And
• 31:26
  so now it's like... You just do something. Then you
• 31:29
  should go have a hot dog, walk around the block,
• 31:32
  and then come back. And then, you know, stand over
• 31:34
  the radiator for five minutes and look all sweaty like,
• 31:37
  oh, I got it done for you. I got it
• 31:39
  done, boss. It was hard, but I got it done
• 31:41
  for you. Yeah. I pulled an all-nighter. I got it
• 31:44
  done. Yeah. But that – the – The problem with
• 31:49
  – one of the problems with my situation is this
• 31:53
  hit – At a time in a day job when
• 31:56
  I was already rolling out some servers. And so I
• 31:59
  was middle. I was in the middle. I had hardware
• 32:02
  strewn everywhere. Fiber channel switches half configured. And I just
• 32:07
  had to drop all of that and, like, go all
• 32:11
  in on this thing. And I finally got... I've only
• 32:17
  got one. Well, Podcaster Wallet is the only one that's
• 32:20
  left. Right. That's not been dealt with. But I, That...
• 32:28
  That whole mindset – of don't patch mitigate, I just
• 32:36
  don't really, I don't think it applies anymore. And it's
• 32:40
  a little bit of a learning curve for me too
• 32:43
  because I'm always let, I mean, I've got, I mean,
• 32:47
  I mean, I've had – I have had up until
• 32:52
  recently – servers running in production running Ubuntu 12. Yeah,
• 32:58
  baby. I don't even know how old that is. How
• 33:01
  old is Ubuntu 12? No. I'm pretty old. Let's see.
• 33:05
  Ubuntu 12 LTS. When was that released? It was released
• 33:12
  in April of 2012, 14 years old. Hmm. And you
• 33:18
  just... You know, you just mitigate and you wrap it.
• 33:25
  And, you know, my security sort of strategy is you
• 33:28
  you wrap things in obfuscation first and then you firewall
• 33:33
  off the obfuscated stuff to where you only have this
• 33:37
  tiny exposure. Yeah. Basically, just the minimal attack surface necessary
• 33:42
  to run this thing. And then you layer on top
• 33:46
  of that all kinds of other stuff. Fail to ban.
• 33:49
  Yeah. Cloud flare. Yeah. Yeah. Where if you add one
• 33:54
  little act up and you're done, you're banned. Yeah. That's
• 33:58
  my favorite. Fail to ban. Yeah. Boom. Bye. Bye. Eric
• 34:03
  PP is right, though. The mitigation didn't work in this
• 34:06
  case because this was exploitable with just a simple post
• 34:09
  request. And that happens before your application even sees it.
• 34:17
  Right. This all happens within – because it was –
• 34:20
  the worst part of this was it was mod PHP
• 34:24
  and PHP FPM, which actually inject themselves into – well,
• 34:31
  PHP FPM does not, but – ModPHP injects itself into
• 34:33
  the Apache process, so you don't even get a chance
• 34:36
  to see it until you're already popped. And so that's
• 34:42
  – and you can't block posts. You can block it
• 34:46
  on some paths, but you can't block it because you
• 34:48
  can't say, well, I'll put it behind authentication because –
• 34:52
  You have post requests on login forms. So you can't
• 34:55
  look at it. Yeah. This was unmitigatable. Yeah. And this
• 34:59
  concludes this week's episode of Security Now with Dave Jones.
• 35:06
  This. Yeah. I don't know. Not fun. I don't know
• 35:10
  if you had a. A chance to see the video
• 35:12
  I put on the Mastodon? of my vibe coded app?
• 35:19
  No, it was two days ago. No, you didn't have
• 35:23
  time. It's okay. So the so sorry, don't apologize. So
• 35:32
  I told you that I vibe coded my own podcast
• 35:35
  app, right? We went through that. Didn't we talk? Oh,
• 35:39
  no, that's right. We didn't. So he didn't tell me
• 35:42
  that. Oh, okay. So last week we talked about Google
• 35:46
  Play now coming so you can share your vibe-coded apps
• 35:52
  with your buddies without going through a full Play Store
• 35:56
  process. Yes. And I think – you know, actually, I
• 36:01
  think it was – Yeah, I think it was during
• 36:04
  just before we started last week's boardroom. I I told
• 36:07
  my robot, I said, OK, vibe code. I give it
• 36:11
  one prompt vibe code. I didn't say vibe. Build an
• 36:13
  app for me from I have Android. And here's what
• 36:17
  I wanted to do. And it did it. And the
• 36:21
  main requirement was. You need to connect to my Muse
• 36:26
  robot because Muse has – I use that right now
• 36:30
  exclusively for just my life stuff, you know, calendar, reminders,
• 36:34
  to-do lists, you know, tracking bills, that kind of stuff.
• 36:40
  And so, of course, there's, you know, a real –
• 36:44
  You know, a connection between an app, a podcast app
• 36:49
  running as, you know, sideloaded onto Android can't directly communicate
• 36:54
  with Muse. So I did have to put a little
• 36:57
  bridge server in between the two. Because, you know, Muse
• 37:00
  does have restrictions. You think you could do everything, but
• 37:03
  it's like, no, I can't create an API for you.
• 37:06
  Oh, okay. Well, that's too bad. So, you know, it's
• 37:09
  a server, and it, you know, it pings it and
• 37:11
  sees what's going on. So I just want to be
• 37:14
  able to talk to it, find me stuff. And so...
• 37:18
  And I think I did at this point, I've probably
• 37:20
  done 40 follow-up prompts for changes for new features, et
• 37:24
  cetera. And so this for the so for a week
• 37:27
  now, I've been living with this app, which tracks the
• 37:30
  following calendar, free time, next event, location, home, car, church
• 37:34
  made near you. What I listen to this week's no
• 37:37
  agenda topics, my agents, show prep, stringers, track shows. What
• 37:42
  news knows about my taste. And then there's different notifications,
• 37:47
  15 minutes before a live show I follow. There's also
• 37:51
  exceptions like I don't want to be notified of any
• 37:55
  Joe Rogan episodes with MMA in it. But also I
• 37:59
  don't. I'm not interested. But also there's certain podcasts that
• 38:04
  only if something in the show is of interest to
• 38:07
  me, it does transcripts on the phone itself. The full
• 38:12
  thing, value for value, the funding tag, everything all built
• 38:18
  in. And I mean, it has been so delightful. So
• 38:24
  just today I've got Discovery, Bitcoin maximalist, the Rollo and
• 38:29
  Slappy show. And it says, write in your Bitcoin lane.
• 38:33
  Then I have, is socialism more Christian than capitalism? It's
• 38:36
  a faith commentary show right at your faith plus economics
• 38:40
  lane. Yeah. Here's another one. Halloween secular treat or spiritual
• 38:46
  trap from stand firm and dark. I never heard these
• 38:49
  podcasts. Indie Christian apologetics with real teeth and Halloween episode
• 38:53
  lands eight days before. And then says podcast podcast weekly
• 38:59
  review. Which I already subscribed to, but it says you
• 39:03
  were mentioned several times in this one. So all to
• 39:09
  say, and I know you have a couple of clips
• 39:12
  from Pod News Weekly Review, as do I. Interestingly enough,
• 39:16
  we both brought two clips from the same power show.
• 39:21
  I wonder which one you got. You want to go
• 39:23
  first? Or shall I go first? Uh, you can, why
• 39:29
  don't you just play mine back to back? Cause mine
• 39:32
  is just a simple commentary on what their guests said.
• 39:35
  Okay. The video one first or the funnel. the video
• 39:39
  then funnel don't do this gee it's not working we
• 39:42
  tried it and look at where we are today so
• 39:44
  there's no question i think it's 73 percent of podcasts
• 39:49
  now have video yeah i heard this and i'm like
• 39:53
  nah i don't think so well where is it play
• 39:57
  the second one I don't think, I think Tom is
• 40:01
  right. 73% are using this as a funnel, but that's
• 40:04
  not exactly where they end up. Did he just glitch
• 40:10
  out or something and just go 73s everywhere? 73s, good
• 40:15
  buddy. I've never heard a statistic that says – 73%
• 40:27
  of podcasts have video. That is not true. No, and
• 40:30
  he's a professor, I believe, right? The Stephen Goldstein. Yeah,
• 40:34
  where did he get these numbers from? Well, he's very
• 40:37
  much a podcast industrial complex professor. So P-I-C-P-H-D. He was
• 40:46
  very knowledgeable. I found to be extremely knowledgeable about amp
• 40:50
  accords and download numbers and all the issues. And so
• 40:55
  he was very knowledgeable about all of that. Very knowledgeable.
• 40:59
  But then he and Sam took the... my favorite slur,
• 41:05
  normal people, normies, to a whole new level of insanity.
• 41:13
  And, of course, it's my own fault, but, you know,
• 41:17
  Sam started talking about the podcast. He didn't even talk
• 41:23
  about the podcast index robot, just about vibe coding things.
• 41:26
  And so he obviously used the atom hat and took
• 41:30
  out advertising as the example, whereas the example I'm trying
• 41:34
  to show is look at all these new podcasts I'm
• 41:37
  discovering. My robot is tracking what I have listened to,
• 41:41
  literally what I have listened to, how much I have
• 41:44
  listened to it because I feed that back into the
• 41:47
  robot. And it's giving me great recommendations based upon that.
• 41:51
  This is what, you know, when he talks about video
• 41:53
  being used as a funnel. Yeah, I think that's probably
• 41:56
  true. And it's also destroying podcasts because people wind up.
• 42:02
  He says it himself. We have liquid content and people
• 42:05
  will watch three clips of a podcast. OK, I've seen
• 42:09
  the podcast. I don't need to watch it or listen
• 42:11
  to it, which I think is very destructive. and maybe
• 42:16
  not stoppable, but that's what I don't like about YouTube,
• 42:20
  etc., is people clipping your stuff. So here's Sam with
• 42:23
  the setup. Moving on a little bit then, Stephen, one
• 42:27
  of the other guests on this week's show, along with
• 42:29
  yourself, is Adam Curry, the podfather himself, and Adam's been
• 42:33
  talking about vibe coding and agentic ai and he's been
• 42:37
  talking about how fundamentally the the model of podcasting is
• 42:42
  going to change in the future now he did say
• 42:44
  it and you know being an app developer it was
• 42:47
  like whoa but he did say that in the future
• 42:49
  he sees personalized apps where he doesn't need a podcast
• 42:54
  app from a company he will create his own version
• 42:57
  to customize and tailor to his own needs but again
• 43:01
  in the demo that he gave on podcasting to the
• 43:04
  own with Dave Jantish he took an episode that did
• 43:07
  have ads he got his muse ai to strip out
• 43:11
  the ads to create clips of the best parts and
• 43:14
  create a playlist. So he's doing the clip economy without
• 43:18
  advertising, without apps, all in one. Is that the future?
• 43:24
  Okay. So I don't know about I'm doing the clip
• 43:27
  economy. I'm just trying to tailor my own experience, which
• 43:30
  has just been wonderful with... You know, the way it's
• 43:33
  doing chapters the way I want it, it's doing transcripts
• 43:36
  the way I want it, everything the way I want
• 43:38
  it. And, you know, someone else might look at this
• 43:40
  app and go, boy, that's a mess, but it's the
• 43:41
  way I want it. So that's up to me. You
• 43:44
  know, the algorithm that I'm being presented with is not
• 43:47
  developed by YouTube or by Apple editorial. It's me. It's
• 43:51
  me. It's the stuff I'm doing. And so I like
• 43:53
  it. But here's where the professor, I mean, what in
• 43:57
  the world? Is that really the future we want? So,
• 44:00
  first of all, he's super smart. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bingo.
• 44:07
  Just wanted to make sure we all heard that. Well,
• 44:09
  he's super smart, and there needs to be people who
• 44:12
  are thinking ahead. I have a very consumer-based feel on
• 44:17
  things. I'm always starting with the consumer on. I am
• 44:20
  the consumer. This is what kills me. I am literally
• 44:24
  the consumer. I'm a consumer who wanted a different podcast
• 44:28
  app experience. Always starting with the consumer on back. And
• 44:33
  the consumer does not like friction. Everything that puts something
• 44:36
  in front of them that's either a paywall or difficulty.
• 44:40
  Or how about Microsoft Ribbon or things in a place
• 44:43
  that I don't like them or features that developers out
• 44:48
  of necessity have to implement in a certain way so
• 44:51
  that everybody kind of gets what they like. That is
• 44:54
  what I'm talking about. That is... is friction, he's only
• 44:58
  thinking about paywalls
• 45:00
  advertising is friction. No, friction is my own discovery journey.
• 45:05
  And selection doesn't work all that well. And I think
• 45:09
  about this thing. My wife, who is... Here we go.
• 45:14
  This is the thing that kills me. I can't believe
• 45:16
  he did this. This drives you crazy. It does. My
• 45:19
  wife, my mom, my sister, my church friends, my this,
• 45:25
  my that, they're clearly not like us. They are just
• 45:29
  normies. Work all that well. And I think about this
• 45:32
  thing. My wife... who is a Yale graduate in law
• 45:37
  school. Oh, okay. It has nothing to do with education.
• 45:41
  No, you don't have to have a law degree or
• 45:44
  go to Yale. You're just dumb. You have no intuition,
• 45:48
  you. Everything else. She does not want to mess around
• 45:52
  with the settings on that iPhone. What settings? I just
• 45:55
  spoke. I said, robot, make this for me. This is
• 46:00
  not of interest to her. And so the notion that...
• 46:03
  She's going to sit there and start curating her own
• 46:06
  lists. No, you missed the point. I'm not curating my
• 46:10
  own list at all. The robot is doing it for
• 46:13
  me. So forth. It's just crazy. What she wants is
• 46:16
  the stuff to be readily available when she wants it.
• 46:21
  And certainly there are people who are... cognizant of that
• 46:26
  all over the media so i don't know i do
• 46:28
  i do know that the robot's getting smarter and that
• 46:32
  the robot can do lots of things for us okay
• 46:35
  now for a second i'm like oh he uses the
• 46:38
  term robot this is good i do know that but
• 46:41
  the professor is way check the calendar dude and i
• 46:46
  am deep in in my own consumer way with chat
• 46:50
  gpt and claude but i am not a coder i'm
• 46:54
  not vibe coding i'm not doing anything like that because
• 46:57
  you don't have to be a coder professor i understand
• 47:01
  that the tools get smarter and we can start asking
• 47:04
  for things And when we can make that all vocal
• 47:07
  or just a simple command, I think, yeah, I think
• 47:10
  that's possible. Okay, so what if that was possible already
• 47:14
  and children and people around the world are already discovering
• 47:19
  this? How long would it take before your wife and
• 47:24
  Sam's wife and Sam's mom died? And your church people
• 47:28
  will be smart enough to be able to figure it
• 47:30
  out. But who knows? Yeah, I think it's 10 years
• 47:33
  out. 10 years! Yeah! It's a decade away. It's a
• 47:36
  little bit of a concept idea and somebody smart as
• 47:40
  Adam Curry can do it, but... I don't think, as
• 47:42
  you said, your wife, my wife, who used to run
• 47:45
  MSN, is going to want to waste her time doing
• 47:47
  that. Ah! This is what gets me nuts. Because that
• 47:54
  is exactly where we are. Um, I'm going to disappoint
• 48:02
  you in my partial agreement with this. Okay, okay. This
• 48:11
  is the Gene's mom argument. Mm-hmm. And – So –
• 48:23
  It takes – this irked you last show or the
• 48:27
  show before when I mentioned my dad. Mm-hmm. And you're
• 48:32
  like, oh, you're ageist. I don't know. Did I say
• 48:35
  that specifically? No, well, no, you didn't say that. You're
• 48:38
  the old guy. The old guy can't do it. So
• 48:42
  I'm like, well, but see, the thing, this doesn't come
• 48:46
  from just – This doesn't come from a stereotype. This
• 48:50
  comes from actual experience. I know. Because there are people
• 48:55
  in your life when you're like – Hey, I want
• 48:59
  you to – hey, can you test the new Godcaster
• 49:02
  mobile app for me? Yeah, sure. How do I do
• 49:05
  that? Well, here, let me send you a test flight
• 49:07
  link. Yeah, what's that? And you're like, oh, whoa, whoa.
• 49:11
  Yeah, yeah. It's like, where do I put – do
• 49:14
  I put in my – What password do I put
• 49:16
  in? Well, you put in your Apple account. What do
• 49:18
  I have an Apple account? Well, yeah, you do. I
• 49:20
  got you. I got you. It's like an hour long
• 49:23
  ordeal, you know, and then you and then you're like,
• 49:26
  OK, this person's going to this person's going to somehow
• 49:29
  vibe code their own podcast. No, my here's my point.
• 49:34
  My point is you're absolutely right. My point is we
• 49:37
  are now in the era of where Gene's mom rests
• 49:43
  in peace. Gene's mom... We'll be able to do this
• 49:49
  because there is a robot on the other end that
• 49:53
  is helping Jean's mom through this. And saying, no, no,
• 49:58
  no, here's what you do. Or it may open it
• 50:00
  for her or do all these different things. We are
• 50:04
  in the place. Where this conversation is about to be
• 50:08
  outdated, not 10 years, 10 months, because I'm seeing people
• 50:14
  around me all because of my incessant banging of the
• 50:17
  drum. People are emailing me 30, 30 emails a day.
• 50:21
  I thought you were crazy, but I've listened to you
• 50:24
  for 20 years. I'm going to give it a shot.
• 50:28
  Holy crap. I can't believe what I'm able to do.
• 50:32
  And they've list these just incredible things they're doing. And
• 50:36
  it was... We're so used to waiting for a development
• 50:43
  team to add a feature or we get excited. Oh,
• 50:47
  my gosh. The new version of XX is out. I
• 50:52
  can't wait to see what they've done. This is the
• 50:55
  change that is here. That's what I'm saying. And. I
• 51:01
  am personally excited for podcasting because the most important thing
• 51:07
  right now in this new world that we're going into
• 51:11
  is the RSS feed. That is going to be of
• 51:15
  super importance. Because you're going to watch everybody's numbers go
• 51:21
  down. Apple, Spotify, everybody's numbers are going to go. Why
• 51:24
  would I even deal with YouTube's algorithm? Why don't I
• 51:30
  just, in fact, just before I started the show, I'm
• 51:33
  like, I'm going to build an X app. That only
• 51:35
  shows me stuff that I care about, that I'm interested
• 51:38
  in, that I've been thinking about, that I've been talking
• 51:40
  to my friends about. This is the change. We are
• 51:44
  going to – the data source will be important always.
• 51:48
  But the algorithms and the layout and the user experience,
• 51:53
  we're going to be in full control of that. And
• 51:56
  I really believe, yes, Gene's mom, rest in peace, will
• 51:59
  figure this out much sooner than we realize. And I
• 52:07
  also think that the whole deprecation of XSLT had something
• 52:11
  to do with it. Oh, bring that around. I don't
• 52:16
  know how. Well, XSLT is a beautiful machine readable format.
• 52:22
  So let's get rid of that so that we can
• 52:25
  protect our data sources in different ways. We don't want
• 52:29
  you to be able to scrape our web pages. We
• 52:32
  want you to go to our API or MCP server
• 52:35
  or whatever. We want to have control over the data.
• 52:42
  I'm more and more convinced of that. Bye. The we've
• 52:49
  we've been through a version of this. Is the thing,
• 52:55
  though, of trying to get people onboarded with, like, lightning
• 52:59
  wallets and such. Very different. Very complicated. Okay, so let
• 53:05
  me tell you about my journey with Bitcoin. with podcasting
• 53:15
  agentically. So I told you over the past couple of
• 53:20
  weeks I've been on this – mission however long it
• 53:25
  takes to come up with a rock solid 100% foolproof
• 53:28
  ad stripper. Mm-hmm. An ad stripper. That even sounds great,
• 53:37
  doesn't it? Mm-hmm. We need to resurrect the Dvorak for
• 53:43
  that. Ooh. Straight from Reseda, here she is, Raven. Give
• 53:49
  it up. The ad stripper. Stage five. So this –
• 54:00
  and so I can say that at this point –
• 54:04
  It's about 95% accurate. And it got – so it
• 54:08
  got to the point where it was just missing a
• 54:12
  few things every now and then. And what I did
• 54:14
  was – I'll tell you the process. I exported my
• 54:17
  entire subscription list of which there's a mix of –
• 54:20
  and I'm telling this story for a reason. There's a
• 54:24
  mix of – Just regular old run-of-the-mill podcasts and then
• 54:30
  private members-only podcasts that I pay for. So there's a
• 54:34
  mix of both. I export them out into an OPML
• 54:38
  file using handy dandy Cast-O-Matic. I throw it into the
• 54:42
  agent, and I'm like, all right, look – All the
• 54:47
  stuff I've been throwing at you now for this –
• 54:50
  up until this point, it's really good. It's really solid.
• 54:54
  Now I need to live with this thing on a
• 54:57
  daily basis. And so that I can start finding the
• 55:03
  edge cases. So that means what I want you to
• 55:06
  do is I want you to here's a here's an
• 55:09
  S3 bucket. Object storage bucket, I want you to make
• 55:13
  a feed, and I want you to start looking for
• 55:16
  new episodes. Anytime a new episode comes in, run it
• 55:19
  through your new pipeline that we've got. So strip all
• 55:24
  the ads out, put a chapters file in that denotes
• 55:29
  the ad markers, and then I'm going to remove all
• 55:35
  the podcasts out of Cast-O-Matic and only subscribe to this
• 55:39
  one feed. So I'm essentially proxying my feed through the
• 55:43
  ad stripper now, all my feeds through the ad stripper.
• 55:46
  Okay. And then Castomatic has this awesome feature where you
• 55:52
  can put keywords or key phrases into it. A chap
• 55:57
  into a list, and if any of the chapters contain
• 56:01
  that word or phrase, it will auto-skip the chapter. So
• 56:05
  in that way, I can just have – I can
• 56:08
  see just by looking at the chapters list what the
• 56:12
  tool thought the ad markers were. And I can and
• 56:17
  I can just play it. And if I ever hear
• 56:19
  an ad leak through, I'll I'll be like, ah, you
• 56:22
  missed one. That makes total sense. Yeah. So this is
• 56:25
  now my process. And I've been living with it for
• 56:27
  a few days. This thing has effed up. so much.
• 56:34
  Like, I'm not talking about the ad stripping part. That
• 56:37
  part was already fairly robust. No, it's stripping bits you
• 56:41
  actually want to hear, likely. No, no, no. It just
• 56:44
  can't get the feed stuff right. It keeps messing up.
• 56:48
  The processes are crashing. FFmpeg is crashing. Hmm. Runaway processes.
• 56:54
  It's putting weird things into the RSS feed. They're invalid.
• 56:58
  The last three days, I've had to go back to
• 57:01
  it four or five times and say, look, you know,
• 57:05
  I'm not getting new episodes. And it'll, you know, chug
• 57:10
  along and say, oh, yeah, you know, yeah, here's –
• 57:13
  There's error in my script. I've updated it. I've fixed
• 57:16
  it. Are you running this on Quinn, or what's the
• 57:19
  model you're using for this? No, it's Oculus 5.5. Huh,
• 57:22
  okay. We've got very different results. That's interesting. Well, this
• 57:26
  is also a different result than I've had in the
• 57:29
  past with doing stuff like this. And it's also not
• 57:34
  – consistent with the results I just had using Claude
• 57:38
  to do these server migrations. So, The reason I laid
• 57:44
  all that out is because – If even one –
• 57:49
  all it takes is one of these points of friction.
• 57:56
  And you lose a person entirely because they just don't
• 58:00
  even know what could possibly be wrong because they don't
• 58:04
  understand any of this stuff already. And if it all
• 58:07
  goes well and you one-shot everything, it's magic. If one
• 58:13
  thing drops… And they're completely lost, and they've got better
• 58:19
  things to do with their time. And I think that
• 58:22
  is the sense in which I agree with what they're
• 58:26
  saying. But I don't think it's an either or. I
• 58:32
  think they are – I think there's – I think
• 58:37
  they're expressing an understanding of human nature that makes sense.
• 58:43
  But I also think that what you're saying – If
• 58:49
  the trend continues in the way that it is going,
• 58:53
  It's not going to be 10 years before stuff like
• 58:55
  this might be possible, but it's not – I don't
• 58:58
  know that it will necessarily be in 10 months either.
• 59:00
  I mean I think the timeframe may be a little
• 59:02
  bit longer. Well, why don't you send me your OPML
• 59:05
  list and let's see if I can give that a
• 59:07
  shot. Let's see. You may be overthinking it, actually, to
• 59:13
  be honest. I don't think so. I mean, I'm pretty
• 59:18
  good with this stuff. You're no good, Dave Jones. I
• 59:22
  guess not. Is this it? Subscriptions.opml. Yeah. Let's see. So
• 59:29
  you also want in-show sponsorship messages skipped? Oh, now are
• 59:37
  you – what are you trying to do? Cut the
• 59:40
  ads out or are you trying to – Well, that's
• 59:41
  what you're building. Is that what you're building? Yeah, but
• 59:45
  all that stuff – see, that's the thing. That part
• 59:47
  of it works. Oh, just the regular mechanics that you
• 59:51
  have problems with. It's the stuff that this thing has
• 59:55
  struggled with. Huh, that's interesting. Is the –
• 1:00:00
  is the basics of podcasting. Wow. How to... And it's
• 1:00:07
  like – because one thing I said was like keep
• 1:00:09
  the show art so I can tell the episodes apart.
• 1:00:12
  I had to go two or three times to get
• 1:00:14
  it right. It may be because my own – Corpus
• 1:00:18
  of information is so filled with this stuff that I've
• 1:00:22
  just trained it over two years time and it knows
• 1:00:25
  enough. It's possible. I don't know. Yeah, I guess. Yeah.
• 1:00:31
  Interesting. Okay, so the disagreement here is on the actual,
• 1:00:38
  so even though it can patch servers and do everything
• 1:00:41
  great, it's like some real basic RSS functionality it's struggling
• 1:00:45
  with in your instance. And so that's why it may
• 1:00:48
  not happen that fast. Yeah, and I think this sort
• 1:00:56
  of mirrors my experience with this stuff in general is
• 1:01:05
  that – And you get from time to time, you
• 1:01:09
  can just get wildly different results. And I don't know
• 1:01:14
  if it's because – The model providers end up sort
• 1:01:20
  of like – Having a stupid model problem for a
• 1:01:23
  while because I have – they do redirect inference to
• 1:01:26
  training sometimes, and the models get stupider for a period
• 1:01:30
  of time. So things like that do happen, and I
• 1:01:33
  don't know if this is just like an example of
• 1:01:36
  that. Could be. It could be. Well, that's a very
• 1:01:40
  different experience than I have. Yeah, like I said, it's
• 1:01:44
  a different experience than I've had. Yeah. I can go
• 1:01:47
  from – that's the thing. The inconsistency is a real
• 1:01:51
  problem because you can go from – you can have
• 1:01:54
  one day this thing just blows your mind, and the
• 1:01:57
  next day you're like, man, how did you miss that?
• 1:02:01
  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, I, okay, fair, fair point. I
• 1:02:06
  just haven't had that experience. My experience is, first of
• 1:02:11
  all, help me fix my start nine server. Okay, hook
• 1:02:15
  it up to tail scale. Let me root around. Okay.
• 1:02:20
  I got it. Here's what you got to do. You
• 1:02:22
  definitely want to back these things up because that could
• 1:02:24
  break. And so we went to a big release 4.0,
• 1:02:27
  which has a wire mesh and all kinds of stuff
• 1:02:31
  in it. But I'm just going to use tail scale.
• 1:02:34
  And I said, you know, I'm so tired of... You
• 1:02:37
  know, on my phone, like opening up through Tor, start
• 1:02:40
  nine and then going to Albi Hub. Just give me
• 1:02:44
  an app that has Albi Hub, Helipad, you know, these
• 1:02:47
  five apps. And it did it. And, you know, out
• 1:02:51
  of the box, worked perfectly. uh, you know, exactly what
• 1:02:54
  I want. I can check my Albi wallet. I can
• 1:02:57
  check my helipad at any time within seconds on my
• 1:03:00
  phone. It's just, you know, so that, okay. Yeah. I'm
• 1:03:06
  not Jean's mom. Cause she's dead, but, um, I know
• 1:03:10
  Jean's laughing. Um, um, But we are so close to
• 1:03:14
  this. And then you know that Gemini is going to
• 1:03:18
  be completely integrated throughout the phone. Throughout the phone. It
• 1:03:22
  already is. With the Play Store for Buddies, you know,
• 1:03:26
  your Barbie Play Store that you can share your little
• 1:03:30
  vibe-coded apps with. What will be interesting is... What will
• 1:03:33
  Apple's response be? Because those guys like to control the
• 1:03:38
  experience. What will anyone's response be? What will our own
• 1:03:42
  app developer's response be? I mean, there is so much
• 1:03:45
  going on. My mind is boggled. I get this. You
• 1:03:50
  seem boggled. Yeah. With excitement, really. Yeah. So once he
• 1:03:58
  talked about friction, he said that consumers – that word
• 1:04:06
  bothers me. People who buy stuff? Yeah. Consumers don't like
• 1:04:12
  friction. Yeah. I don't necessarily disagree. But we've forgotten what
• 1:04:20
  friction we actually go through. The friction we have with
• 1:04:24
  interfaces. This is why Omarchi was interesting. I'm getting everything
• 1:04:30
  out of the way. All the stuff that was friction
• 1:04:32
  in your life, but I'm now removing. And you don't
• 1:04:35
  like it? Tell your robot to fix it for you
• 1:04:38
  right here in the operating system. You know what friction
• 1:04:42
  is? 50% ad load. Yeah, well, yeah. But that's not
• 1:04:47
  the biggest friction. But, yeah, I think the friction is
• 1:04:51
  look at this inbox. Look at all these unlistened to
• 1:04:54
  episodes. Oh, my Lord. You know, my robot's like, hey,
• 1:04:57
  Adam, you're driving to Austin. Hey, here's a couple of
• 1:04:59
  podcasts that will fit that hour and 20 minutes perfectly.
• 1:05:03
  You want to listen to this, this and this or
• 1:05:04
  this, this and this? Well, James in the most recent
• 1:05:08
  episode said he did not cover a podcast app because
• 1:05:11
  it was an ad skipper. It's virtue signaling. Maybe. I
• 1:05:16
  don't know. You've been cricklered. But the – You know,
• 1:05:23
  the thing about it is the – We all understand,
• 1:05:30
  and he said in that episode, and that's his prerogative.
• 1:05:34
  Of course. It belongs to him. Of course. It belongs
• 1:05:36
  to him. He can do it every one. I'm fine
• 1:05:37
  with that. But he said in that episode that we
• 1:05:41
  all – he said that we all know that the
• 1:05:45
  podcast advertising – The agencies and the advertising complex doesn't
• 1:05:52
  give a shit about independent podcast apps. They don't. They
• 1:05:57
  don't. And he said he went one step further and
• 1:05:59
  said, as a matter of fact, they don't just they
• 1:06:02
  don't just not care. They would like it to just
• 1:06:06
  be. Apple, Google, excuse me, Apple, Spotify, and YouTube. They
• 1:06:11
  would love that because that simplifies the stuff they have
• 1:06:14
  to do. But this is the beauty. This is what
• 1:06:17
  – and I'm sorry for app developers. I love all
• 1:06:19
  of you. You know that. Everyone complained, well, the app
• 1:06:22
  developers get no money. Guess who also gets no money?
• 1:06:26
  Dave Jones gets no money. Dave Jones gets no money.
• 1:06:28
  You know, we are so I heard I had to
• 1:06:30
  hear on on power that we're celebrating our sixth anniversary.
• 1:06:34
  I didn't even know it. Happy anniversary. Happy anniversary. Yeah.
• 1:06:37
  Happy anniversary. So the index. We only have the money
• 1:06:41
  to keep the index running if the biggest hosting company
• 1:06:45
  stops supporting us. And we could probably eek by, but
• 1:06:51
  I don't think we make $800 a month from the
• 1:06:55
  smaller donations. We might have to – what? I'm sorry?
• 1:07:02
  No. No. So, you know, we'd have to kind of
• 1:07:04
  throttle stuff. So we don't make any money either, you
• 1:07:06
  know. So – and 22,000 accounts are using the API.
• 1:07:13
  Apple, Microsoft, Google, do they support us? No. No. Free
• 1:07:17
  loaders. Free loaders. You know, so – So I'm speaking
• 1:07:24
  on behalf of Podcast Index, and I am delighted, delighted
• 1:07:30
  that the power is going to leak like green sludge
• 1:07:35
  away from Apple and away from Spotify because people will
• 1:07:42
  start to figure this out. I don't need to. And
• 1:07:45
  this is why RSS is so open. Open RSS. It
• 1:07:49
  is fantastic. You know, this guy was talking about liquid
• 1:07:53
  content, this professor. Yeah, we're doing it all wrong. Yeah,
• 1:07:58
  your content should be everywhere. So I'm going to use
• 1:08:01
  everybody's API and upload to every stupid platform everywhere where
• 1:08:06
  the inverse is the right way. One feed, I control
• 1:08:11
  it. Anybody can ingest that. That's the system. That's the
• 1:08:16
  system that is coming back to us now. This is
• 1:08:19
  why I'm excited. Well, if... I agree with you. It's
• 1:08:29
  RSS – RSS is the backbone of everything in the
• 1:08:37
  podcast, in the independent app world. And anything that bolsters
• 1:08:44
  that strengthens apps just by default. But, you know... I
• 1:08:52
  guess maybe from the outside I seem like irrationally hung
• 1:08:57
  up on this advertising thing. Like – but I feel
• 1:09:01
  like – If the advertising industry does not care anything
• 1:09:09
  about independent podcast apps, and I can tell you from
• 1:09:12
  firsthand experience, they do not. And if that's the case,
• 1:09:19
  Then why does it matter? Why does it matter if
• 1:09:23
  you strip ads or not? If they don't give a
• 1:09:25
  crap about doing anything to help independent podcast apps flourish,
• 1:09:31
  and all they care about is YouTube, Apple, and Spotify,
• 1:09:36
  then they're not going to do it. Then get rid
• 1:09:38
  of all the ads. And the argument could be –
• 1:09:42
  the argument from the other side is, well, if you
• 1:09:45
  get rid of the ads, you're hurting creators. The advertising
• 1:09:49
  industry doesn't give a shit about creators either. And welcome
• 1:09:53
  to the new world. A minimum of 10,000 downloads to
• 1:09:56
  even qualify? Welcome to the doom loop. This is the
• 1:10:00
  entire problem with agents in general. Agents are giving you
• 1:10:04
  news that they are pulling from the literal sources –
• 1:10:08
  That give them the news in the first place. They've
• 1:10:10
  admitted this privately in emails that came out like, hey,
• 1:10:14
  we're sucking all this stuff out of the New York
• 1:10:16
  Times. They're going to go broken. We won't have any
• 1:10:18
  news. It's unavoidable. It is. It is completely unavoidable. Because
• 1:10:25
  we have the power. We have to come up with
• 1:10:28
  entirely new ways of news gathering, news distribution. Everything has
• 1:10:32
  to be rethought. Everything. And this is what I find
• 1:10:35
  exciting because in chaos, there's always opportunity. I was... I
• 1:10:44
  was struck by one of the things that they were
• 1:10:47
  talking about on Power, which is the funding tag. And
• 1:10:50
  how Spotify's recent announcement, they just showed off opening up
• 1:10:56
  a web view in the app and paying attention. And
• 1:11:01
  so I think that they're right. That should be a
• 1:11:04
  signal to everybody. Don't be afraid to put this in
• 1:11:07
  your apps. Open the funding tag. That's your solution. The
• 1:11:14
  solution is not to clutch to advertising into dynamic ad
• 1:11:19
  insertion with your fingernails as it's pulled away from you.
• 1:11:26
  The solution is put the funding tag in your app
• 1:11:29
  and tell your audience in the episode, please go and
• 1:11:33
  donate. And please support us because if you don't, we
• 1:11:36
  won't be able to eat and we won't be able
• 1:11:37
  to do this show anymore. That's just the way that
• 1:11:40
  it always works. Well, you know, the ultimate solution, funny
• 1:11:45
  enough, is for the apps to start selling ads. There
• 1:11:49
  you go. They get blamed anyway. Well, Overcast does. He
• 1:11:54
  sells ads right in the app. Yeah, but not in
• 1:11:56
  the content. There's not like a pre-roll or a post-roll.
• 1:12:01
  Like a banner on the thing or whatever. Yeah. Yep.
• 1:12:06
  I mean, I don't really have an answer. I just
• 1:12:10
  want to get it out there. I remember when podcasting
• 1:12:13
  first started, I had the same excitement. I didn't know
• 1:12:16
  exactly what was going to happen. And the professor, by
• 1:12:20
  the way, is pretty funny. You know, when podcasting first
• 1:12:22
  started, it was deep thoughts. People were doing deep dives,
• 1:12:26
  deep thinking. Like, no, we weren't. We had Don and
• 1:12:28
  Drew talking about their life in a farmhouse, you klutz.
• 1:12:32
  We had Michael Butler, the rock and roll geek, drinking
• 1:12:35
  a six-pack, talking about how shitty the gig was. That's
• 1:12:39
  what made it awesome. Not the deep thinkers. You've always,
• 1:12:43
  you've made, I heard this the other day. I heard
• 1:12:47
  a perfect example and I was telling a friend of
• 1:12:49
  mine, I was like, I was like, Adam always says,
• 1:12:53
  has always said that people say things on podcasts that
• 1:12:58
  they would never say in mainstream media. For sure. Because
• 1:13:01
  they think that it's somehow like a secret club. Not
• 1:13:05
  very many people listen to it. But when in reality,
• 1:13:09
  the listenership of podcasts way outstrips broadcast media now. Sure
• 1:13:13
  does. But they still think that it's some sort of
• 1:13:16
  like kind of off the record. And it's hilarious. And
• 1:13:21
  that's kind of what podcasts – but I think it's
• 1:13:24
  because it goes back to the early days of podcasting
• 1:13:26
  when it kind of was off the record because it
• 1:13:28
  was so small. And people could say – they could
• 1:13:30
  get away with saying something on a podcast. They wouldn't
• 1:13:32
  say it everywhere else. So everybody wanted to go listen
• 1:13:35
  to podcasts to get the real dope. Yes. Our worlds
• 1:13:43
  are about to be rocked. And so everything has to
• 1:13:47
  be rethought, everything. And I could not be more delighted.
• 1:13:53
  It is, you know how they were like, we got
• 1:13:56
  to slow it down. We got to slow down development.
• 1:13:59
  We can kill the whole world. 10% will be white.
• 1:14:02
  No, they realized a little bit before I did that
• 1:14:05
  they are in trouble. Nobody needs them anymore. The horse
• 1:14:10
  is out of the barn. The train has left the
• 1:14:13
  station. The revolution. Viva la revolution! It's here. It's here.
• 1:14:21
  Huh. We can't use BitChat in our burning down buildings
• 1:14:25
  protests in France. No problem. I'll just vibe code or
• 1:14:28
  give it to my buddies. We'll use Bluetooth. You can
• 1:14:32
  go ahead and take it off. Who needs Venmo? You
• 1:14:36
  watch This is going to be an amazing time. I
• 1:14:40
  wish I was 20 years younger. See, I just... I
• 1:14:48
  can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't go
• 1:14:50
  there. I can't go there. I can't go there because
• 1:14:53
  I just go there. There's the cynic inside of me.
• 1:14:58
  What is this? I mean, I'm.
• 1:15:00
  I'm interested in the cynic inside of you. It's why
• 1:15:01
  we're such a great, we have such a great partnership.
• 1:15:05
  Yeah. My cynical side just looks at every – It
• 1:15:11
  looks at all the other times I've gotten excited about
• 1:15:13
  the future that a technology promises and how every time
• 1:15:17
  my hopes have been crushed. Yeah. Remember when, quote, programmable
• 1:15:26
  money was going to free the world? Yeah. No. It
• 1:15:29
  was – No. Well, the jury's still out on that.
• 1:15:33
  I mean, the forces behind money are vast. There's a
• 1:15:38
  clip that I played on this show – of Obama
• 1:15:42
  from 2012 When he said something to the effect of
• 1:15:48
  it was like a commencement speech and he said the
• 1:15:52
  idea that you can regulate speech on the internet is
• 1:15:57
  crazy or something like that. And... And then just a
• 1:16:03
  few years later, what are we doing? Regulating speech on
• 1:16:07
  the internet. I mean, like, it was – that was
• 1:16:10
  – he said that during the time of like Aaron
• 1:16:13
  Schwartz and all that stuff going on. And then everybody's
• 1:16:18
  like, yeah, yeah, I'm going to change my Twitter avatar
• 1:16:21
  to be black. Yeah. you know to protest there you
• 1:16:29
  go 2012 I think this is it I know that
• 1:16:32
  not all countries in this body share this particular understanding
• 1:16:36
  of the protection of free speech we recognize that but
• 1:16:39
  in 2012 at a time when anyone with a cell
• 1:16:44
  phone can spread offensive views around the world with a
• 1:16:48
  click of a button. The notion that we can control
• 1:16:51
  the flow of information is obsolete. Yeah, and what did
• 1:16:56
  they try to do immediately is control the flow of
• 1:17:00
  information, and they're doing it. Well, but they're going to,
• 1:17:03
  that's okay. Yeah. But I, I still believe in the
• 1:17:06
  core network protocol. I mean, I think some things. DHT.
• 1:17:15
  There's so many different ways to get around. We just,
• 1:17:18
  this is my job. My job is to be early.
• 1:17:21
  My job is to see the possibilities, to stick it
• 1:17:24
  together with Scotch tape and Elmer's glue. and see if
• 1:17:30
  it takes off. And a lot of things just say
• 1:17:32
  balls of scotch tape and Elmer's glue. But this time,
• 1:17:36
  I think there's something here. And it's all about what
• 1:17:40
  people are trained to think. And we've been very trained
• 1:17:46
  to... use the systems devices applications etc the way they've
• 1:17:53
  been handed down to us whoa that's my daughter hold
• 1:17:57
  on a second hold on yeah you need to get
• 1:18:01
  it yeah hey babe can i call you right back
• 1:18:04
  Uh, sure. Yeah, I'm doing the podcast with Dave. Oh.
• 1:18:10
  Yeah. Yeah. Well, 10 minutes. And that's good. Okay. Love
• 1:18:18
  you. All right. Bye. Bye. Love you, too. It's grandbaby
• 1:18:23
  time. Let's show off the grandbaby. Yeah. Fire up the
• 1:18:27
  screen. Hold her up. Exactly right. All right. We can
• 1:18:31
  thank some people so you can get out and see
• 1:18:32
  your grandbaby. Well, thank you. Let's see. We have –
• 1:18:36
  and everything's working again. I got the Start9 working. It's
• 1:18:40
  beautiful. Thank you very much. I think Eric PP has
• 1:18:42
  a monster channel open to me. I love it. Thank
• 1:18:46
  you, brother. 777 sats from Sam over there at TrueFans.
• 1:18:52
  He says, I don't disagree with Adam. Maybe the future
• 1:18:54
  is personalized apps that tailor the experience to you, but
• 1:18:57
  we have all seen the initial hype around new technology.
• 1:19:00
  Oh, geez. I need your camp. And the subsequent time
• 1:19:02
  lapse before mass adoption. This is Jeffrey Moores crossing the
• 1:19:06
  chasm. Yes. I like that. This is a book. Is
• 1:19:10
  that a book? Crossing the Cousin? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Three
• 1:19:13
  threes from Eric PP. Hashtag release the code. What code
• 1:19:19
  do you want me to release? I'm happy to release
• 1:19:22
  it. All of it. Release the code. Release the code.
• 1:19:25
  Okay. 1701 from Martin Lindeskog. Adam, here's a new word
• 1:19:28
  to pronounce. pronounced in Danish and Swedish. Orisund, Orisund, Orisund
• 1:19:32
  and Orisund. It is our new hyperlocal podcast, Orisund 360.
• 1:19:36
  Hosted on TrueFans.fm. Dave, thanks for the help with Podcast
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  Index. Starship Boostergram, 1701 Satoshis. 3,333 from Eric PP. From
• 1:19:47
  Boost Me Bitch, it works. 1276 from Salty Crayon. In
• 1:19:52
  the boardroom, Adam, talk about podcasts. An idea for Dana,
• 1:19:54
  Dana Brunetti, after the 29th. A podcast where he just
• 1:19:57
  talks about... talks, and leaves all the bathroom breaks in.
• 1:20:00
  Call it gummies and dog farts. All fun, of course.
• 1:20:03
  I don't know about that name, but that would be
• 1:20:05
  a fun podcast. Very relevant to the show we did
• 1:20:07
  yesterday. Salty Crayon, again, with Triple Threes. Is this thing
• 1:20:12
  working? Why are you roughing? And there's Comics Your Blogger
• 1:20:15
  with a delimiter. So you're up, my brother. Why you
• 1:20:19
  are laughing? I fixed my AIFF problem. Don't laugh. Why
• 1:20:27
  you are laughing? Shut up. Shut up. Yes. Shut up.
• 1:20:35
  I fixed it. I fixed it. Nice. The consensus is
• 1:20:40
  the Currycaster 2 is what they want released. Yeah, I
• 1:20:43
  shall release the Currycaster 2. I will release it, of
• 1:20:45
  course. Call it the Kraken. Although I already had... I
• 1:20:51
  forget who it was. Buddy, buddy, buddy, buddy. He says,
• 1:20:54
  hey, man, I took inspiration from you and vibe-coded a
• 1:20:58
  curry caster for video based on what you built. It
• 1:21:02
  looked the same. It's the same thing with video. He
• 1:21:06
  just took a picture and built this for me with
• 1:21:08
  video. Okay. Yeah, but we can't do an RSS feed.
• 1:21:16
  Here's some PayPals. Cohen Glatzbach, $5. Thank you. Appreciate you,
• 1:21:21
  brother. Christopher Reamer, $10. Thank you, Christopher. James Sullivan. Hey,
• 1:21:26
  James, $10. Jorge Hernandez, $5. Jorge Hernandez, been around forever.
• 1:21:32
  Yep, Michael Goggin, $5. Thank you, Michael. And just a
• 1:21:35
  little bit of something extra from Buzzsprout, $1,000. Baller, shot
• 1:21:40
  caller, 20-inch blades on the Impala. Thank you, thank you,
• 1:21:45
  thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Tom. Tom
• 1:21:49
  Rossi texted me last night. He's like, you okay? You
• 1:21:52
  alive? Oh, sure. Well, he knows. He understands. He gets
• 1:21:55
  it. The, yeah, let's see. PHpocalypse. Yes. What was that?
• 1:22:03
  What was that? Flawlosophy? Yes. Yeah. It doesn't roll off
• 1:22:07
  the tongue very easily. No, it's some reason I can.
• 1:22:10
  Jack leg is better. Jack leg. Jack leg. Jack leg
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  is good. I got some true fans. Anonymous is flowing
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  in. 39 sats, 406 sats, 13, 220 sats. 7, 4,
• 1:22:23
  0, 6, 13. Oh, we got a Dreb Scott. 774
• 1:22:28
  sats. He says, anyone else? Wait. Why is this? Is
• 1:22:33
  this old? What are you looking at? Uh... Maybe this
• 1:22:40
  is old. I thought it just produced it. I don't
• 1:22:43
  know. Let me check. Let's see here. Refresh. Am I
• 1:22:49
  getting a cash? Uh-oh, uh-oh, we're in the cash. We're
• 1:22:53
  in the cash, everybody. Sorry, I just... No, it's okay.
• 1:23:01
  I just barfed. You do you, boo. 1023. 1023. Oh,
• 1:23:09
  yeah. Okay. Here it is. Here it is. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:23:11
  I was I was looking at the wrong thing. Sorry.
• 1:23:13
  Oh, there's Boobery. Okay. So Boobery. had a message lost
• 1:23:20
  last week. Oh, no. It must have just been slow
• 1:23:23
  coming in or something because it was not on my
• 1:23:25
  list last week. But we did have some anonymous true
• 1:23:28
  fans of 406 and 33. Then we got Blueberry. Blueberry.
• 1:23:33
  Blueberry. The Fountain is $35,127. Woo! Bola! Yeah, baby! Chicago!
• 1:23:40
  20-inch blades on the Impala. Yeah, we'll take it. We'll
• 1:23:43
  take it. Thank you. That's why he wanted you to
• 1:23:45
  make sure he got it because it was real money.
• 1:23:47
  Yeah. Eric PP has given the split kit some major
• 1:23:50
  upgrades this Saturday at 7 p.m. Central. We've been working
• 1:23:54
  on bringing OSC and NDI to the table, and it
• 1:23:57
  works now. What is OSC and NDI? I have no
• 1:24:01
  idea. OSC and NDI. I don't know. Well, they put
• 1:24:05
  them on the table and it works. Excellent. When we
• 1:24:08
  stream live at www.pixelpalace.party, there are camera scenes that the
• 1:24:14
  producer will be able to select and change live and
• 1:24:17
  did not require a boost to trigger. Ooh. There's also
• 1:24:20
  lighting cue stacks and triggered video content from SplitKit via
• 1:24:25
  OSC. OSC and NDI have joined the battle. Nice. Okay.
• 1:24:31
  Those must be some sort of like lighting and camera
• 1:24:33
  things because Boobery, that's his – he was like a
• 1:24:39
  – A lighting stage lighting guy. That was his job.
• 1:24:43
  Yes, indeed. Yeah. I don't know what any of that
• 1:24:47
  is, but it's awesome. anonymous from true fans 578 48
• 1:24:51
  551 oh brian from podcast guru 551 says it's for
• 1:24:56
  dave's buzz brian in fresno take your buzz get get
• 1:25:02
  this though I have not touched that cable. It is
• 1:25:06
  still routed the exact same way. Not a single buzz.
• 1:25:08
  Not a single buzz. Now, I have an Echo, but
• 1:25:09
  otherwise, great. Do I still have the Echo? Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:25:17
  you do. Maybe it's the cable. Maybe it's manifesting itself
• 1:25:21
  this week as an echo. Could be. User 940 blah,
• 1:25:25
  blah, blah, blah at fountain.fm, 1,673 sats. Thank you, user
• 1:25:30
  940 blah, blah, blah. And comment's your blogger, 10,556 sats.
• 1:25:34
  There he is. Howdy, Dave and Adam. Despite knowing that
• 1:25:38
  I am agnostic, Adam's pastor has followed me on x.com,
• 1:25:42
  so I have reciprocated his follow. And as thank you,
• 1:25:45
  I would like to recommend, please follow at Jimmy Pruitt
• 1:25:49
  on x. And by the way, Adam, tell your robots
• 1:25:52
  to add Podcasting 2.0 chapters to your podcast with the
• 1:25:56
  pastor. Yo, CSB, Disgram. was $15.50. 19,000 sats went sent
• 1:26:04
  on 23rd October. Beautiful. Thank you, comics or blogger. And
• 1:26:08
  thank you, everybody who supports podcastindex.org. It's value for value.
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  Whatever you get out of it, you 22,000 leechers, consider
• 1:26:18
  supporting us. Five bucks. Imagine if all those 22,000 people
• 1:26:24
  gave us five bucks a month. Just imagine. We'd be
• 1:26:28
  quitting our day jobs. Only imagine. Okay. The musical stylings
• 1:26:36
  of Dave Jones, backup for Mercy Me. Yeah, beautiful. I
• 1:26:40
  think it's mostly lack of sleep. Yeah, I know. And
• 1:26:43
  you know what? We'll... You'll get into a better vibe.
• 1:26:49
  How early are you waking up these days? 6.30 every
• 1:26:52
  day, 6.30. Okay. I don't know. My body is in
• 1:26:56
  this weird thing. This is pre-PH-Polocalypse. I'm like 4, 4.30.
• 1:27:04
  Yeah. Ooh. Yeah, I know. It's in a rut. I'm
• 1:27:08
  in some kind of rut. I got to get out
• 1:27:10
  of that rut. And what time do you go to
• 1:27:12
  bed? Like 10. Yeah. 10, 10. Yeah, we go to
• 1:27:17
  bed at 10, 10. 10. Yeah, you just – it's
• 1:27:20
  like you – six hours is okay, but it's like
• 1:27:23
  as it rolls on day after day, you start to
• 1:27:25
  kind of like – you drag, you know, like one
• 1:27:30
  and then one day hits and you sleep like 10
• 1:27:32
  hours. Mm. Yeah. Yeah, do I know the feeling, brother?
• 1:27:37
  I know the feeling. Go FaceTime with your grandbaby. Well,
• 1:27:40
  she just said, oh, she's sleepy. Might have to do
• 1:27:43
  it later. Like, here I am, cutting off the board
• 1:27:45
  meeting. Cutting off the board meeting. I have no idea.
• 1:27:50
  I feel guilty. It's my response. It's my response. fault.
• 1:27:53
  No, no, no. That took too long trying to find
• 1:27:55
  the booster grass. This is our contribution to society. This
• 1:28:00
  is my volunteer work that you and I do. This
• 1:28:05
  is volunteer. We do it. Leachers, 22,000 leachers. We see
• 1:28:09
  you at Apple and Microsoft. Jack-leg leachers. Jack-leg leachers. chairs.
• 1:28:14
  There it is, everybody. Okay, thank you so much. Dave,
• 1:28:17
  have a great weekend, brother. See you, bro. All right,
• 1:28:19
  everybody. Thank you, board room. We'll see you next week
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