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How Living Lchaim Became the Kosher Netflix · None of Your Business Podcast

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  To my knowledge we're the biggest Jewish YouTube channel
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  which is like crazy. Like I grew up watching YouTube
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  so to see me as a YouTube like it's very cool.
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  Dream come true ish. Business Oshie, None of Your
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  Business, Michael, it's the None of Your Business podcast hosted
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  by Michael Anoshie. Welcome back, everybody to
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  another inspiring episode of the None of your Business podcast.
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  You like that one? Yeah, I.
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  Went there. You went there.
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  Let's go further. I had to.
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  Well, we're back and I'm your host, Michael Greenfield, joined
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  with Oshie Schwartz. Thank you all for your
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  subscriptions and your comments. We're loving the energy.
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  We're loving the growth. And Speaking of growth, we have
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  with us none other than Ryakov Langer here.
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  Rather person I like it but I have a question before we even
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  start. Should I like ask questions also
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  as we go a little or do you want me to like be more just
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  answering the questions? I will say this, yeah, you're
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  the guy with 1.4. Mobile sex, yeah.
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  Yeah. So as far as I'm concerned, it
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  is an honor for us to be. Oh.
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  My gosh, I'm just a regular. So you tell us how you want this
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  to go you. You, you.
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  It's your. It's your baby.
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  I'll, I'll. Well.
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  First of all, I will tell you that anybody that teaches me
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  anything, I call Reb, OK? To me, just because, you know,
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  Busser Bhalov meat and dairy doesn't mean that I look up to
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  you, you know, and you get your certification as a rabbi.
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  So to me, someone who teaches me something as a rabbi, you taught
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  me a lot. I, I, if people don't know, I
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  actually taught him all the luck is about.
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  Yeah, it was great. You you picked it up very
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  quickly. You were you were actually, you
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  know, when when we came up with this concept of creating a
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  podcast, I needed to call the biggest and best in the industry
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  and I called you. I didn't.
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  Say like and he couldn't pick up.
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  So 13 calls later, you're like, Oh yeah, blinker, why not, let's
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  do it. Why not?
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  But we had a call and it was really, it was great.
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  I mean, you gave me a lot of strength and you also told me
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  the reality of what it's about. And I really enjoy it.
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  I, I, I enjoyed listening to what you said and I'm enjoying
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  the art of learning how to listen, which is, which is
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  something we're, we're, we both had a difficult time doing.
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  Very gracious about it. I was on that call as well and
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  you were sort of preparing us for.
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  You guys are so nice. You literally paid me money for
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  that time. I don't know if you remember
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  that you paid me. You know what I respected?
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  That, yeah. But like, thank you.
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  Like you gave me all these things, but like it was a
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  transaction. I probably say this once every
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  podcast. If you're good at something,
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  don't do it for free. I thought 100,000 was a big ass,
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  but you guys were ready to do it.
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  I'm like, OK, let's do it. You know what?
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  I'm gonna. Put my kids to yeshiva with
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  that. We have made a payment plan we.
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  Have exactly. Yeah, that's why I'm actually
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  here like. We have a we have a thing that
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  we started. That's what chat sheet PT says
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  about you, OK? And that's how we start our
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  program. For those that don't know you,
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  you know, it says here, you know, I'm gonna start with the
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  last one. It says, if you don't know
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  Yaakov yet, don't worry. After today you'll realize
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  you're basically living under a hollow cover.
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  That's you know. OK, the guy like throwing their
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  Jewish. Yes, exactly.
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  Like it learned, it got to know me after a while because you're
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  like the 7th, 8th guest that we're doing this.
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  I like that it's right to. Stick with Have you ever chatted
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  to Petite yourself? Like, ask who Yakov lingers.
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  Yeah, I don't know, I guess. I guess it's like the new, like,
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  did you ever Google yourself? I don't think so yet.
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  You know what? I've asked, I have asked it like
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  based on all the questions I've asked, I've seen this somewhere
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  that like could you explain who I am to you or like what I'm
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  doing right or what I'm doing wrong?
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  The problem is I share my subscription with like a few
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  people at living with high as well as my brother who's an
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  attorney. So like it was like throwing in
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  things like, well, you're a hard working attorney who's also very
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  into data. I'm like that's, but it's like
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  mixing up a lot of people. So you're saying similar like a
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  Netflix account you're sharing? Exactly.
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  Of course, of course, of course. You got it.
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  This is this is the business related podcast for Giving Up.
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  Absolutely. Yakov Langer is basically the
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  Jewish media's world Swiss Army knife.
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  He produces, directs podcasts and somehow still finds time to
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  be funny. OK, wow, OK, that's that's the
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  first thing it says. A good sense of humor.
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  I think I'm a good sense of humor.
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  I, I don't get to use it so much on my podcast because I think
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  it's become like more serious. But I think in my beginning
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  years of podcasting, you'd hear a lot more humor.
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  I appreciate I I love humor. I do like comedy and stuff.
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  OK, we do too. And I'm I'm glad that's where
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  we're starting. He's the guy behind some of the
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  slickest Jewish content. Out there Slickest if you've.
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  Laughed, cried or shared a Jewish video recently?
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  Odds are that Yaakov had something to do with it.
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  That's a great compliment. It's so nice.
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  I really thank you, Chachi. Yeah, it's very nice.
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  Yeah. You should have asked, like,
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  what are the faults of Yaquelinger Touch?
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  If you do what it like, go crazy.
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  Let me go back to that. Yeah, that's a new.
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  That's a much more fun like, tell us the worst parts about
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  this person we're having on. Oh my gosh.
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  Oh, you know what? Look, you know it.
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  It just keeps praising you. I mean, to be honest with you,
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  there's a lot to praise. You started something that when
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  you started it, it was like a new phenomenon.
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  And it grew so fast. And I really want to just get
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  right into it. It it just.
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  I can't keep praising you like this.
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  Yeah. Come on, I don't.
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  Want to get to your head? I think that just the most basic
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  fundamental introduction is Yaakov Langer, as far as I know
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  is the largest from Jewish podcaster that's out there with
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  the biggest following. It's crazy.
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  It's unbelievable. That's a major accomplishment.
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  It's not just me though, meaning like living with I am, I guess,
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  you know, I did start it, but like, I look at it like my
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  brother Ellie, who's older than me, is just as much with it as,
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  as I am. And then we have someone on our
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  team, Yoni Schwartz, and we have people.
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  So like, it's not, I guess it's like a growth hack.
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  It's not just one podcast. We have 7-8 podcasts ongoing on
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  our channel. So it's kind of like, I guess a
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  hack. We have like a bunch, not just
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  one. But yeah, to my knowledge, we're
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  the biggest Jewish YouTube channel, which is like crazy.
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  Like I grew up watching YouTube, so to see me as a YouTube, like
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  it's very cool. Dream come true ish.
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  Yeah, it's crazy. It would give me so much anxiety
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  to know that there's millions of people that are watching me and
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  listening to every word. You don't like it?
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  I, I don't know, I have, I don't have that experience yet.
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  So I'm not sure a part of me probably feels compelled to want
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  it because it's exciting. It's great.
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  I, I love to be out there. I'm, I'm a type of person.
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  I like to be the center of attention.
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  I certainly don't shy away from it, but then there's that next
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  level, that next level of millions.
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  But it doesn't, it feels to me, it feels like I think Casey
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  Neistat said that's that, he said the 1st 10,000 subscribers
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  or fans or whatever you want to call them is the hardest.
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  And I think, but once you get past that, it just doesn't feel
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  real. Like literally on like someone
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  outside, forgot his name. He's like whitish here, but he
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  doesn't look so old. He's like, oh, Yaklinger.
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  And like he stopped me. And to me it always feels weird.
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  I'm like, wait, people actually watch it?
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  Like you see the numbers, but it doesn't feel real.
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  I'm sure you guys have that also.
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  Like you're doing it. We're just in this room.
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  There's four of us in this room. And then you'll meet someone.
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  They'll be like, oh, I heard it. And you're like, it's like, yes,
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  of course you're putting it out there so people could hear it,
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  but it's just feels surreal that like, wait, there are actual
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  humans consuming that. I get stopped more than I did 10
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  years ago, that's for sure. So.
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  On a daily basis. I'm not Yako Schwecki, but I get
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  stopped a bunch, yeah. People recognize.
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  It it's usually people that are not sure.
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  I don't know what it is about my face.
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  Maybe it's sometimes I have a beer, sometimes I don't.
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  Sometimes longer hair, shorter hair and they're like, they're
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  not sure. Or maybe it's like weird to be
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  like, oh, Yako Blinger. But yeah, they're like, usually
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  uncertain something that's from my voice.
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  It's always weird, like I'm ordering something and they're
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  like, hey, I think I know your voice.
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  I'm like my face is on the album artwork like but.
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  How does it make you feel when that?
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  It feels good. I like like you said, I like
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  attention. I'm the youngest of four boys,
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  so maybe I didn't get. I meant my parents are great.
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  My mother's gonna. She's listens to everything.
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  Ma. I love you, Daddy.
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  I love you. But maybe I didn't get as much
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  attention as I wanted. So now I'm getting attention.
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  So it's great. I like it.
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  I don't know, some people don't really don't like the limelight
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  and I've learnt that from experience.
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  I've had some hosts of shows that we have that they're great
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  by. Like I'll give you an example,
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  like one of our hosts, Yoni Kleschek of that's an issue.
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  It's a mental health podcast. I would go to his Shabbos table
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  and he's, he's a good friend of mine.
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  So funny. He's he's an attorney.
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  He's well spoken. But when it came to like, when
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  it comes to like just being out there, I took it for granted.
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  I'm like, yeah, of course. Like we, I like attention.
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  He does not like attention. So he's a great host, but he
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  also like, doesn't like being out there.
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  So come to learn. Like, wait, not everyone's like
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  that. I think the common denominator
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  is that we're making an impact and that really, at the end of
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  the day, is the best part. I mean, do you get a lot of
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  hate? I get a lot of not personal hate
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  like from like pro Palestinian kind of that kind of hate like
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  like literally millions of comments.
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  It slowed down as the war is just continuing, but personally
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  not as much. I also I maybe I'm different.
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  I don't really take it to heart. I, I think I heard a quote from,
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  I think it was from Chris Voss, he's a FBI negotiator.
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  He said never take criticism or advice from someone that didn't
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  succeed in that field. So I always feel like if
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  someone's coming at me online, it's not the same exact advice,
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  but like, I don't really know them personally.
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  So yes, if I got advice from my Rebbe or criticism from my Rebbe
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  who like I really care about, I would take that to heart.
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  But it's usually people I don't know.
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  So what? Do What do we do about this
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  anti-Semitism? On SO I think I maybe I don't
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  know, again, I'm just like a random podcaster guy, like I
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  don't really know. I don't know history well, I
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  think it's always been there and I think it's just now coming
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  out. But like I think we were just
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  like in this golden age past like 70 years of just oh, it's
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  OK. But like Robin were always like
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  they really do hate us. I think they always hated us and
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  now it's just like more out there.
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  It's very tiring. I'm very tired from it from
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  social media perspective. I mean, obviously it sucks, but
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  yeah, it's just tiring to go on social media and be like
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  anything's just thrown out like on on Twitter or X.
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  It's just. And you see it all.
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  I see a lot of that. Yeah, it's, it's, yeah.
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  Tiring is the word that I I would use.
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  So, yeah, could we go back to not the very beginnings, but
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  let's go back who you are, like where you come from.
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  Yeah. From, you know, you're this
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  Jewish boy. Probably grew up somewhere in
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  New York, I imagine. Bush.
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  Yeah. And you made it big time.
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  You know, maybe. I really don't feel like that
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  I'm. I'm gonna say it.
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  I'm as far as an observer like myself.
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  I'm a casual fan of yours. I've seen your podcast.
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  Thank you. And you just came out of nowhere
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  and just like one day you're like this massive, massive
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  following, which is a pretty big deal.
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  Just walk me back to when this concept even began for you of
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  wanting to do a podcast, but go a little bit prior to that, a
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  little bit about you, you know, growing up married.
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  Give me the give me the give me some of the flavor of what makes
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  Who makes the alcohol? I'll give you the flavor.
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  I'll give you the spiel. I grew up in.
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  I was born 1992, grew up in Flatbush in Brooklyn when
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  Flatbush was the IT place. I feel like now it's like kind
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  of a little more out of town. Like it was great.
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  I had great experience. Like I mentioned, I was the
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  youngest of four boys and my three older brothers are closer
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  in age. They're all like 2 years apart.
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  And then my brother above me, my brother Yitz, he's four years
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  apart. So I was kind of like the
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  younger one and, and they were like going out to yeshiva.
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  So I got away with being able to like watch more movies and and
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  TV. So I think for me, that was the
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  beginning of just training myself.
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  I didn't realize at the time I just enjoyed it, of just getting
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  good media and good content. It wasn't Jewish stuff.
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  It was Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon and Disney Channel
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  and whatever movies it was. And I think I got a bigger
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  exposure than the usual person to that kind of stuff.
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  Again, love you, Ma. But I think through that I, I, I
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  didn't know at the time, it was really training me to like, I, I
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  didn't know I was kind of studying it because I wasn't, I
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  just experienced it. And then as I was getting older,
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  there was just this massive hole in, I think that from community,
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  like we're so good at business, we're so good at learning Torah.
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  When it came to content there was great like those audio perm
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  story kind of stuff and and Kunda like they were good stuff
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  like that and some music, like there's good music.
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  Uncle Maishi. Uncle Maishi But like when it
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  came to like Jewish content, I think it was always considered
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  like in quotes user, like the Internet was user or movies were
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  user. So I don't think we really
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  worked on it or really progressed on it as a as like
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  the Orthodox community and there's just this massive hole.
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  So I think what really helped the from community, I guess
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  accept it more is, is the fact that like everyone was like,
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  yeah, Internet's user, but everyone had the Internet.
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  It's here, you know, it's here. And then they they kind of
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  realized like, OK, now. And I don't blame the Rab on
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  them. I think they just didn't realize
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  what it was maybe same way like we don't really understand what
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  like AI really is like, I don't know what it's going to be like
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  in five years. So can't blame them in 1995 when
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  the Internet was just like coming out and e-mail and all
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  that kind of stuff. So now it's like, OK, it's here
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  and now, like let's get filters. Let's let's OK.
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  Nothing wrong with having the Chase app on your phone or Waze.
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  It's a kind of a necessity at this point.
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  So the same way that that kind of shifted, I think social media
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  help shift, but something that I was really so turned off from is
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  there were people on, I'm not going to call anyone out like on
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  Instagram and they were amassing a following and there's not one
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  person in particular. There's a few of them.
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  And to me, they weren't like, and they're Jewish and they're
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  kind of like distorting Jewish values.
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  And they were they are from people.
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  But like, OK, if you're not, you know, Orthodox or religious and
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  you're doing whatever you are doing on social media, that's
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  fine. But when you're like saying, Oh,
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  I am from and I'm doing this. And then they're like like
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  starting to bash certain rebuttal or trying to like just
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  straight up say lush and hara and just like just distort like
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  what's normal. I was like, OK, there's got to
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  be something to be done because regular era good people are
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  starting. OK.
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  They're just these people on social media, they're louder and
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  they're they're entertaining. So they're getting a following
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  on like we need to do something. Misrepresenting.
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  Us misrepresenting and they're getting a following and it's
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  like now people are starting to get there in quotes dust over
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  from like this crumb crooked person or people.
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  I'm like that's bad. So I just started personally
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  like posting on like WhatsApp status and Snapchat story this
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  like right before I got married and and it was it was fun.
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  I just enjoyed the storytelling of it and I, I, I.
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  That was your first move, was WhatsApp status, Yeah.
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  Yeah, like hymen. When was this?
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  Like what this is? 2014 This is 2014.
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  Like 11 years. Ago Yeah, I was a Casey Neistat.
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  I remember was like just getting into YouTube vlogging, like it
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  wasn't even a thing yet. I remember following along Logan
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  Paul and David Dobrik again, these are like big people in the
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  non Jewish world. And I thought like, wow, this is
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  so entertaining. And it was like a shift for me.
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  It was starting to like the first time I was like, this is
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  more interesting to me than than movies and TV, which I I
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  appreciated. But like there's like that human
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  connection and like I'm like, I would love to have that in the
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  film world. So I kind of like start again.
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  I don't want to be an influencer.
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  I think there was always like a stigma and I think there still
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  is, but whatever. I just started doing that.
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  Wanted your voice to be heard, yeah.
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  I I wanted not even that I wanted to like storytell like I
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  I loved, I loved it growing up and I was like getting stories
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  from movies and TV shows and and yeah, I wanted it to be a part
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  of that. I I I was like kind of done
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  consuming it. I wanted to now be providing it.
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  And did you, I'm just curious, you got guests at in the
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  beginning when you started doing this like it was there?
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  No, in the beginning it was more of like just me.
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  I remember I would literally like I was very involved with
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  High Lifeline and Camp Simpla. So they're like, do you want to
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  go to Montreal for shopping? I'm like yes, because in my
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  brain it will be a good like Snapchat story.
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  Your content. Yeah, it would literally be good
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  content. I'd say enjoyed it also.
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  But like for me it was like I was just getting out to do
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  stuff. Like every plane ride I remember
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  like, oh, this is great content, like going on a plane and.
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  Right, all about the. Content.
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  It's about the content. You enjoy that as well?
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  I love. It was fun.
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  Traveling because I love looking for content yeah you know
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  there's so much out there and. There's so much out there look
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  and, and, and life could be so boring and, and it's good.
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  The boringness at this point, I'm like way more boring and I,
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  I don't like traveling anymore as much 'cause I just got like,
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  so maybe 'cause I'm outputting with the podcast.
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  So I like the travel part of it, but but life could be so boring
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  and there's so much exciting things out there and it's like
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  people want to see that and people are hungry for that.
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  And I don't think there's enough Jewish creators out there
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  really. There's been a lot in the past
• 16:20
  five years doing good stuff, but it there's there's a lot of good
• 16:22
  out there. I'm curious what you thought
• 16:24
  about when it came to your financial career and your
• 16:27
  future. There's a lot of young people I
• 16:28
  speak to now that like, want to start podcasts and, you know,
• 16:31
  build their brand. And it's always a good thing to
• 16:33
  help build your brand, but that if that's all you're doing,
• 16:36
  making money from this is really not.
• 16:38
  Easy. It's very hard and I, I think I
• 16:40
  got very lucky that it's part of my partner.
• 16:43
  So it I'm very transparent. It is not my full part.
• 16:45
  Also, I do marketing for a law firm and I do like marketing
• 16:49
  gigs and stuff like that. As time goes on, it does eat up
• 16:52
  more of my time. But Barsham as living with Heim
• 16:54
  grows, there's more opportunity to make money.
• 16:57
  But I'm, I'm by nature not a businessman.
• 16:59
  I am an artist. I love creating and I think my
• 17:02
  brother takes on the role of like financing or figuring the
• 17:06
  finances of living with Heim. I really hate that part of it.
• 17:10
  But like as time goes on, like Barkersheim, there's more
• 17:12
  opportunity. But I would tell anyone watching
• 17:15
  at home kids like don't like people in there.
• 17:17
  Like I want to like make a Partnosa from podcasting.
• 17:19
  I'm like, it could be a part of your Partnosa, but I like, I'm
• 17:23
  surprised that the amount of money that it's making for me
• 17:26
  personally, but even that it's not enough to support my family.
• 17:29
  Like it's it's not and, and Barkersheim like if you want to
• 17:31
  be a one man show and grow, like we have people working for us.
• 17:35
  So you need to develop A-Team and it, it, I think it's
• 17:38
  impossible. But like, to answer your
• 17:40
  question, I took a career test and the top career for me, my
• 17:45
  friends always make fun of me. It was a florist.
• 17:47
  I'm like what? I don't like flowers, but like,
• 17:49
  you like creativity and you like flowers and I, I don't like
• 17:52
  flowers, but like, you like, like I, I, I don't know, I, I
• 17:55
  don't know, I, I think I kind of hear it.
• 17:58
  But yeah, my friends always make fun of me.
• 17:59
  They're like, well. Perhaps creating content is like
• 18:01
  creating a bouquet. I guess so I I don't really like
• 18:04
  flowers. Yeah, yeah, I didn't end up
• 18:07
  doing it. But the second thing was was
• 18:09
  marketing and like advertising, which I do appreciate and I do
• 18:12
  like and that's kind of where my career got started off.
• 18:16
  So I I've been doing that and I think I do use a lot of that for
• 18:21
  the podcasts. I think a lot of it is marketing
• 18:24
  and branding and I. Like learning this about you?
• 18:25
  I didn't know you're doing marketing for a law firm.
• 18:27
  Yeah, yeah, Morgan and Morgan, it's.
• 18:29
  Morgan and Morgan. It's yeah, it's so not exciting,
• 18:32
  but I do a lot of what I'm doing for living in time for them,
• 18:35
  like webinars and podcasts. How long have you been with
• 18:37
  Morgan and? Morgan, I've been with them for
• 18:39
  four years. Good for you.
• 18:40
  Yeah, and their name is out there, Yeah.
• 18:41
  Yeah, yeah, it's all because. I mean, no, there there's this
• 18:44
  amazing you to Applebaum and and Ruby Moskow.
• 18:46
  Like there's a lot of great people.
• 18:48
  What? Have you done to get their name
• 18:49
  out there? Like what's a so proud moment?
• 18:51
  Yeah, I'm, I'm less of like client facing and more of like
• 18:54
  other lawyer facing. Yeah.
• 18:56
  So I so one of their biggest attorneys, Keith Mitnick, I help
• 18:59
  him with his LinkedIn and his newsletter and his emails and
• 19:03
  his podcasts and his webinars. He's he's big.
• 19:05
  He's again in the in the low world, like people know him in
• 19:08
  our world, like no one knows who he is.
• 19:10
  Really talented lawyer and great guy. 65 years old I think.
• 19:15
  Love that those are kind of people that we like on our.
• 19:17
  Podcast. Yeah, he's very well spoken.
• 19:19
  Yeah, he's great. He's too busy.
• 19:20
  He goes to trial again. This is, I think it's boring,
• 19:23
  but going to trial. Some lawyers go to trial like
• 19:25
  maybe 3-4 times a year. That's crazy.
• 19:27
  He goes to trial once every two weeks at least.
• 19:30
  I have to tell you, I've sat in a trial multiple times.
• 19:32
  Really. It's, I think it's one of the
• 19:33
  most fascinating things to watch.
• 19:34
  Interesting. Yeah, as.
• 19:36
  You were just go to One Federal Plaza watching it walk in and
• 19:39
  just walk into any courtroom that's active.
• 19:41
  People were able to go to the P Diddy trial, which I think is
• 19:44
  like historic because how crazy the entire situation was.
• 19:47
  But like, I saw someone TikTok like you could just go like you
• 19:50
  have to get there on time. Yeah, but like, that's a crazy.
• 19:53
  Litigating is not an easy thing, I mean.
• 19:54
  You forgot to mention that you were on trial.
• 19:57
  I was on trial. When you were at.
• 19:58
  Ohh, you were on trial, OK, He was.
• 20:00
  He was the defendant. He didn't say that part, but got
• 20:02
  it. You're being sued.
• 20:03
  Definitely. No, no I wasn't.
• 20:04
  You're suing. No, no, he's joking.
• 20:06
  But there has been a time, though, where our company was
• 20:10
  actually, like, brought into a trial when a patient passed away
• 20:13
  from choking on food. Oh, my God.
• 20:15
  And they called us in as expert witnesses because we understand
• 20:18
  the world of procurement and supply chains.
• 20:21
  Yeah, sure. And you know, what kind of food
• 20:22
  product was it, what the manufacturer was exactly?
• 20:24
  Yeah. And you know, so.
• 20:26
  So I just, I find that whole world fascinating, actually.
• 20:28
  So that's a guest that I would love to have like someone like
• 20:30
  that to just learn about that world and.
• 20:32
  Yeah, I have a guest suggestion. I mean, we can do it off here.
• 20:35
  He's in that world, but he's always looking for things and
• 20:37
  he's so well spoken to. Harry Rothenberg.
• 20:39
  Oh, cool. He's great.
• 20:40
  I mean, at the end of our program we do ask you to pick
• 20:42
  some buddy. OK, so maybe it's going to be
• 20:45
  he's a good. Guy right now we have Yahoo
• 20:47
  language. Not how we're.
• 20:48
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we'll, we'll put him aside.
• 20:50
  I want to get to know a little bit more about you.
• 20:52
  Sure, absolutely. And I want to go back again.
• 20:54
  So when was that first moment that you decided I'm doing a
• 20:58
  podcast or was that even the first thing or did you do
• 21:00
  something else prior? Yeah, yeah, sure.
• 21:02
  So I made a WhatsApp group. Is called, I don't remember
• 21:06
  exactly. It was like, let's schmooze or
• 21:08
  something like that with my wife and my friend Benji Weintraub,
• 21:12
  who is a photographer, great guy.
• 21:15
  And he's like very creative and and I said I I remember saying
• 21:19
  like, I want to interview. It was like Uncle Moshi and
• 21:23
  Yakov Schwaki and like Rob Eitan finer.
• 21:25
  I said we see all these people and I would love to just
• 21:28
  schmooze with them, like get to know them because no, not for
• 21:31
  like the art school book about their life after 120 or not for
• 21:35
  like one of these like radio shows where like they're
• 21:38
  promoting an event coming up. Like you're here to promote the
• 21:41
  event. Like I actually want to get to
• 21:42
  know them. And that's where it started.
• 21:45
  But of course, like I was just busy and like it just didn't,
• 21:47
  you know, manifest. And then Nachi Gordon reached
• 21:51
  out to me like 2-3 months later, said he wants to do a podcast
• 21:53
  for a meaningful minute and the rest is history.
• 21:56
  I'm. Like so he was already Nachi
• 21:57
  Gordon was already podcasting. He wasn't podcasting yet.
• 22:00
  No, he he wanted to make something called the Meaningful
• 22:02
  Minute Podcast and. That was his creation, his idea.
• 22:06
  You want to do a meaningful minute and then I'm like, well,
• 22:08
  I I don't want to just interview the Rob on him that are are, you
• 22:11
  know, creating these like short videos.
• 22:13
  I mentioned the idea and then kind of like fuse the together
• 22:16
  together. The idea of like plush of
• 22:18
  awesome, great people and also like people that we all know.
• 22:20
  But like, for me, Uncle Maishi, I don't know why.
• 22:22
  I'm like, I really want to get to know him.
• 22:25
  Yeah, that's, that's where meaningful people.
• 22:26
  So. The both of you decided let's do
• 22:28
  it together. So you guys became Co host.
• 22:30
  Yeah. You guys were partners, yes.
• 22:31
  And you started that podcast and was called meaningful people I
• 22:34
  think, right? Yeah, at the time.
• 22:35
  And how long did that go for? I did that for, I remember
• 22:38
  exactly. It was like, I think around two
• 22:41
  years. So for two years.
• 22:42
  Around 2 years, yeah. And who, who's getting the
• 22:44
  guests? Like who was, you know, who's
• 22:46
  doing? I think we both we, we were, it
• 22:48
  was like a partnership we were both doing.
• 22:49
  You guys were alone, so you were hustling it out.
• 22:51
  You guys didn't have a lot of resources I imagine.
• 22:54
  No, not so much you. Were doing a lot of the editing
• 22:56
  producing. I think the most annoying thing
• 22:59
  about that process was this was in 2020.
• 23:02
  We actually started in 2019, but in 2020, I whenever I would
• 23:06
  reach out to someone, I would have to explain what a podcast
• 23:09
  was. And they're like, if they're
• 23:11
  like more like Yeshivish, they'll be like, it's a sheer.
• 23:13
  I'm like, no, it's not a sheer. And they're like, they're like,
• 23:15
  is it like Oprah? Like on the other side, they're
• 23:17
  like, is it like Oprah Winfrey? I'm like, do no one know what?
• 23:20
  Like, I did not realize how few people knew what podcasts were.
• 23:23
  Yeah, some people did, but most people, I had to explain what it
• 23:26
  was and they it was a challenge. It was AI, remember, with Rav
• 23:29
  Gavi's like a rebbe of mine. And like where?
• 23:31
  Was your studio. It was on Central Ave.
• 23:34
  So you had a third party place where you both went to and that
• 23:36
  was not. Nothing.
• 23:37
  It was. No, it's not his office.
• 23:38
  That's where we did it. I was in his office.
• 23:39
  In his office, yeah. And that went for two years.
• 23:41
  It went for two years. Popular did it get at that point
• 23:43
  it. Got very it was.
• 23:44
  It was so popular, but I think it was also like there was
• 23:48
  barely any competition, like there wasn't so many.
• 23:52
  I remember the the, the, for me, the first Jewish podcast was
• 23:55
  forgot his name, Rabbit Kurlowski.
• 23:58
  I forgot his name. Really awesome.
• 23:59
  He's in the Care World. It's called Jew schmooze.
• 24:01
  I think that's what it's called. Like he was, he was doing it for
• 24:04
  like 2 years before that even. And I listened to some of the
• 24:06
  episodes. I'm like, oh, it was great.
• 24:09
  But aside for him, I mean, there were there were, there were.
• 24:11
  I don't remember who was at that point, but, but I, I always
• 24:15
  remember for me, like the big shift for me was like, it was
• 24:19
  always like, OK, it was great. And, and, and I was doing that
• 24:23
  and I was, I was working as well.
• 24:25
  And I remember telling my wife like this is like I, I, I like
• 24:29
  it's 2 full time jobs. Like I can't do it.
• 24:32
  And at that point I'm like, I had the idea for kosher money
• 24:35
  and my wife's like, you're crazy.
• 24:36
  And I'm like, listen, when I first started this, it was so
• 24:39
  hard. But like as time goes on, it's a
• 24:41
  muscle like it gets it does get easier.
• 24:43
  I'm sure you guys could relate to that.
• 24:44
  Like between episode? One people all the time that
• 24:46
  they see a difference in the later episodes versus the
• 24:49
  earlier ones. Because like anything else, you
• 24:51
  got to master a craft, you got to learn.
• 24:53
  A repetition always helps. Practice makes perfect,
• 24:56
  literally. And I look back now at our first
• 24:58
  few episodes and I cringe. Yeah, yeah, but but it's, if
• 25:01
  you're not cringing, it means you're not improving.
• 25:03
  Like you're just doing the same exact thing.
• 25:04
  Like you have to look at your First off and cringe like that's
• 25:07
  and even in two years from now you watch this one, you should
• 25:10
  cringe. Like, I think it's a good thing.
• 25:11
  Exactly. But yeah, so, so I just, yeah,
• 25:14
  I, I'm like, listen, I've been doing this for long enough.
• 25:16
  And like, it was just, it was clear that like, and I, I had an
• 25:19
  idea for kosher money and that's an issue.
• 25:21
  And, and a podcast for women with.
• 25:23
  I had the idea of Charlene and I was like, you're crazy.
• 25:27
  I'm like, I think I could handle it.
• 25:29
  And slowly but surely, it's it's, yeah.
• 25:32
  So after your two years, you parted ways, parted ways with
• 25:35
  Nachi. He continued to do meaningful.
• 25:38
  People and I remember at the time it was so hard for me
• 25:40
  because like for me at that point I did not have children
• 25:43
  yet. So for me it was like, it was my
• 25:45
  baby. It was, it was so my baby and
• 25:47
  like had to like, like you put in all your effort into
• 25:50
  something and like to give it up.
• 25:52
  It was, it was very difficult. You gave it up simply because
• 25:54
  you wanted to shift and do it something different.
• 25:57
  It was like it, it, it was a great experience, but at the end
• 26:00
  of the day, like we're two different minds and he's great.
• 26:02
  And like he had his vision. I had my vision and it, we would
• 26:06
  always, I think you could listen to it.
• 26:07
  We would always have like just different creative ideas.
• 26:11
  So for me it was, it was clear that like it, it wasn't, we were
• 26:15
  not going the same direction. And it was very hard.
• 26:18
  And, and to the credit of a lot of friends and family, they're
• 26:21
  like, I'm telling you, like, yeah, you could start at 0, but
• 26:24
  like you'll, you'll be good. And it was just very hard to
• 26:27
  like really just also like part of it was like part of my
• 26:30
  identity of. Course, one of the biggest
• 26:32
  things about divorces is the shame that comes along with it
• 26:35
  is the people around you, you're afraid of what they're going to
• 26:38
  think, you know, are they going to look at me as a failure?
• 26:40
  Because, you know, and that's probably something that was
• 26:42
  going through your mind. Yeah, I want to be clear, anyone
• 26:44
  goes going through the divorce is way harder.
• 26:45
  It was so much easier. But but there are, there are
• 26:48
  similarities for sure, yeah. You in some ways maybe even had
• 26:52
  a harder than divorce I. Don't know you got a lot.
• 26:54
  More people who knew you. A lot more people who knew about
• 26:56
  you, yeah. It was a lot.
• 26:57
  A little partnership is very similar.
• 26:59
  But it's also, it's complicated because like, you put so much,
• 27:02
  like, work into it, and then it's like now all of a sudden
• 27:05
  it's like my competition. Yeah.
• 27:07
  So it's like, it's like you're building up like this.
• 27:10
  I don't know, like samurai. And now it's like, now you have
• 27:12
  to fight your samurai. Like, in a way.
• 27:13
  Again, I don't look at it like that.
• 27:15
  But. But it was it.
• 27:17
  Yeah. But.
• 27:17
  Like, was it, was it smooth? Did you guys figure it out?
• 27:19
  Yeah, figured it was a complication.
• 27:21
  You have to bring in a third party to help you figure stuff
• 27:24
  out, no? I know we brought in my button
• 27:26
  just to like be Yashar and but I think it went as well as it
• 27:30
  could have. But it was for me, it was very
• 27:34
  exciting that the fact that like I I finally like had it was like
• 27:38
  I was training, I guess myself to like understand podcasts and
• 27:41
  like I finally got it and now like kosher money and like a
• 27:44
  mental like a show just dedicated to mental health.
• 27:46
  That's an issue. Like it was very exciting for
• 27:48
  me. And then like also also starting
• 27:50
  my own show, like inspiration and I always I always liked this
• 27:54
  like one-on-one energy. Not that two on one's not good.
• 27:58
  I think 2 on one is more fun, more exciting, but.
• 28:01
  He's a crowd. Yeah, exactly.
• 28:03
  But like, I think one-on-one, there's, there's a you could get
• 28:06
  deeper. And it was something I was
• 28:08
  yearning for. So I was very excited for that
• 28:10
  kind of experience. And yeah, at that point, I
• 28:14
  remember I came up with the name Kosher money for my brother for
• 28:17
  my brother's podcast. And my brother came up with the
• 28:20
  name Inspiration for the Nation for my podcast.
• 28:22
  So like interesting. I like Kosher.
• 28:24
  I think Kosher Money is a better name than inspiration for the
• 28:26
  nation. Just smoother and just like just
• 28:29
  2 words but. What's he do, your brother?
• 28:32
  My brother does marketing. He does.
• 28:34
  He does marketing. Yeah.
• 28:36
  Or it started off for for supermarkets in the food
• 28:40
  industry, but like now he's expanded to like a lot more.
• 28:43
  Than just that well, in hindsight, you both really ended
• 28:46
  up becoming very successful. Yeah.
• 28:48
  So it makes this whole thing, you know, even more beautiful.
• 28:52
  And also you guys were at the perfect time in the marketplace
• 28:54
  where there was a need for podcasts like this, like you
• 28:56
  said, in our communities. So you it was very easy to split
• 29:00
  up and each go their way and, and there's room for everybody.
• 29:03
  Yeah, yeah. It's not like you're in a
• 29:04
  crowded field and like to start over is gonna be very difficult.
• 29:07
  A lot of competition. You guys were in a nice position
• 29:10
  to to be able to do what you guys did.
• 29:11
  And I think I, I, I, I see, I still see it as like whenever
• 29:14
  there's like a new podcast, like I think there's such a need for
• 29:17
  more podcasts. Like really for sure.
• 29:19
  There's, there's, there's so many from Jews and there's so
• 29:22
  many Jews in general. I think there's a lot of people
• 29:23
  who are not from, who are watching these stuff.
• 29:26
  And everyone has their own tweak their own way of doing it.
• 29:28
  And like, I, I think there's gonna be a lot more shows.
• 29:31
  I think a lot of shows start and then just quickly fade, right?
• 29:35
  But I, I think there's gonna be a lot more shows and even like
• 29:37
  the kids who are now like 15 years old, 20 years old, like
• 29:40
  they get the space even better than I do.
• 29:42
  Like they're gonna, they're gonna like skyrocket.
• 29:45
  I'm. Curious you you you helped
• 29:46
  launch Kosher Money Inspiration doing other projects.
• 29:49
  Is there a category for podcasting that you think is
• 29:52
  needed? I like what you're saying in
• 29:53
  terms of, and I was always thinking, is there a need for
• 29:55
  more podcasts? There's so many and you're
• 29:57
  saying obviously that there is. Is there a category just like
• 30:00
  you're saying mental health with something?
• 30:02
  Is there a new category that you're saying, you know,
• 30:03
  somebody should do something about this?
• 30:05
  Well, Michael, there is. He's going to do it, yeah.
• 30:06
  I'm working I'm. Well, why do you think I'm
• 30:09
  asking? Yeah.
• 30:09
  He has a. Channel he's got he guess what
• 30:11
  else he's doing? Multiple.
• 30:12
  Multiple. Yeah, something you want to do
• 30:14
  that you're not going to get to and someone else can do it or,
• 30:16
  you know, someone else is. Yeah, So, yeah, I I think in the
• 30:20
  relationship space there's there's a not a lot needed.
• 30:23
  And like again, I don't want to give away too much someone who I
• 30:27
  highly respect and I had on my show and I I personally can, I
• 30:31
  don't think everyone agrees. But like for me personally, I
• 30:33
  said that's persons in the top three podcasts.
• 30:35
  It's not even like one of the ones that the big numbers, but I
• 30:38
  thought the information there was so valuable.
• 30:42
  So like, yeah, I I think in the rule and I think there are
• 30:45
  podcasts on relationship. Let us know who that was.
• 30:47
  I don't know, so I don't want to give it away.
• 30:48
  I I'll give it away. Ruben Epstein, Ruben Epstein.
• 30:51
  He's been on the show twice, once with his wife, once
• 30:54
  without. And I I highly, highly respect
• 30:57
  what he's doing for the relate relationship space, whether it's
• 31:01
  single people dating or it's people in a marriage for 50
• 31:05
  years. I think he's the Steve Jobs of
• 31:09
  the from world of relationships. And, and I don't even
• 31:12
  necessarily think it's going to be like our biggest podcast, but
• 31:15
  I think it's so needed. And and I'm at I'm at the point
• 31:19
  where it's like, and maybe we'll skyrocket and get a million
• 31:22
  views. I don't think it will.
• 31:24
  But I'm also at the point of like Barksham, we have the shows
• 31:27
  that are doing great numbers and then there's shows that maybe
• 31:30
  they're not getting crazy numbers, but it's so needed.
• 31:32
  Like one of our shows, it's called podcast therapy with
• 31:35
  Doctor Z with Doctor Shalamy Zimmerman.
• 31:37
  It's a call in show. People call in and they, and we
• 31:40
  use AI to like mask their voice and they talk about the
• 31:43
  struggles or the challenges they're going through.
• 31:45
  I kid you not, I every single firm person is going through
• 31:48
  something. And sometimes it's like clinical
• 31:51
  and sometimes it's not clinical, but like I think we all think
• 31:54
  like, Oh, I'm the only one dealing with anxiety, depression
• 31:57
  or whatever it is or, or their spouse is dealing with that or
• 32:00
  relationship. Like, and we're having so many
• 32:02
  people call in and so many people listen to it.
• 32:05
  Again, it's not this, it's an audio only, you know, video.
• 32:07
  So when there's video, it's easier to like share around in
• 32:10
  clips and YouTube. But I'm like, it's so needed in
• 32:13
  our community. And I think this relationship,
• 32:16
  one with Rabbi Rubin, is going to, like, really be so
• 32:20
  necessary. Amazing.
• 32:21
  Yeah, you have a name. For it no, I was like joking
• 32:25
  like it's a bad joke, but I was like joking that it should be
• 32:27
  like Epstein's Love Island like double joke over there but but
• 32:32
  that's a complete joke I. Like it?
• 32:34
  Yeah, I think you should do. That it's it's like, yeah, it's
• 32:36
  a joke. I don't know.
• 32:37
  Yeah, I also like we're we're working on like a few different
• 32:39
  things. It might not just be 1 show, it
• 32:41
  might be a few different things, but that will definitely 100%
• 32:45
  not be the name. But that's like the the joking
• 32:47
  name for it. I like that.
• 32:48
  I like the idea of relationship and and focusing on that.
• 32:51
  I think there's parenting is another big one in general.
• 32:54
  Yeah, so in I think the OU, I don't think they still do it.
• 32:57
  They came to me and they really wanted a like I have that all
• 33:01
  the time. So many people come they want to
• 33:02
  show under living with Higham and I tell everyone you don't
• 33:05
  need me. Like if it's going to be a good
• 33:07
  show you I I promise my YouTube channel like if it's good, it
• 33:11
  will skyrocket. It has nothing to do with my
• 33:12
  channel. And like, I'm not like I'm
• 33:14
  saying that as like advice, like it's not because I'm trying to
• 33:17
  push them away. But the OU came to me and they
• 33:20
  mentioned they want to do a parenting podcast.
• 33:22
  I forgot the fellow from it. Great idea, but I felt it was
• 33:25
  just too niche. I said you should do it again,
• 33:27
  don't do it under me. But it's so niche.
• 33:29
  Yes, every parent should listen to it.
• 33:32
  But I think, I don't know, I, I just think those who really want
• 33:37
  that information, they're looking for it, but there's so
• 33:39
  many people that unfortunately they're not looking for.
• 33:41
  It I'm curious, you're doing inspiration stuff, relationship
• 33:44
  stuff and a lot in the Jewish religious money.
• 33:45
  Stuff, Yeah. Money stuff as well.
• 33:48
  Is there someone that you can't get on the podcast that you
• 33:50
  would love to have Like, oh, it doesn't fit really with my, you
• 33:52
  know, like you said, you know, Casey Neustep, for example, it
• 33:55
  wouldn't really fit with your. Right program I it's funny I I
• 33:58
  have it didn't come up yet, but I have the opportunity to to rap
• 34:02
  film with him and I just want to meet him because to me he's he's
• 34:05
  he's he's like, you know, YouTube hero of mine, obviously
• 34:09
  my my real heroes, but I'm saying in in that world I'm like
• 34:12
  he's my rebbe of YouTube, but I don't yeah, he he got very vocal
• 34:16
  after October 7th being like a proud YID.
• 34:19
  But yeah, I don't think it really fits for me.
• 34:21
  It's always about. Who is this?
• 34:24
  OK, it's nice that. You don't my case, you're
• 34:26
  saying, yeah, it would be. You're agreeing with me?
• 34:27
  Yeah, yeah, I think, but I don't.
• 34:29
  Know who that is? Okay.
• 34:31
  He's a YouTuber. Living under he, he.
• 34:33
  He, he really, he made an it's so funny, his story, his story
• 34:36
  is he made a YouTube channel so he could so he could sell his
• 34:40
  app, meaning sell it to people. He had an app, it was called
• 34:43
  Beam where it, it, you basically did social media without looking
• 34:46
  whatever. It was a terrible app.
• 34:48
  But he started this YouTube channel because of that.
• 34:51
  And his YouTube channel blew up so much that CNN bought his his
• 34:55
  app just so he could, they could get like his contacts.
• 34:58
  And they bought it for a ridiculous amount of money.
• 35:00
  And he basically has been retired since.
• 35:02
  It's very big. It's stuff.
• 35:03
  And how, how big is this guy? CA SEY.
• 35:05
  How did I never hear? Of him, he's he's really out.
• 35:08
  There, that's like you're Jamie for like.
• 35:10
  There you go. He's shaking his head, you know.
• 35:11
  I was at a BBQ a couple. It's like. 12 million YouTube.
• 35:15
  A couple of weeks ago. During the 9 days.
• 35:16
  Probably. Ever seen his face?
• 35:18
  You ever seen his face? I have not.
• 35:20
  No, okay, I have not. Proud yet proud yet.
• 35:23
  Interesting. Yeah.
• 35:25
  All right, you know what? So if you can't get him, I guess
• 35:26
  we're gonna have to get him. You should totally.
• 35:28
  So yeah, I was gonna say like, I'm gonna get back to your BBQ
• 35:31
  store. I haven't forgot about that.
• 35:32
  But like the for me, it's really about the audience.
• 35:35
  There's so many people I wanna interview.
• 35:37
  But if it will it fit with my audience.
• 35:40
  That's I mean, yeah, sometimes. Sometimes I'll interview someone
• 35:44
  that I don't have any personal interest in, but I know my
• 35:46
  audience well. Or sometimes it works out that I
• 35:48
  also want to introduce I'll. Tell you, I emailed the guy the
• 35:52
  Hey, Jewish people that yeah. Yeah, sure.
• 35:54
  I have his number and. He was gonna come here and do
• 35:56
  the podcast and a week before you had him and I'm like, Oh my
• 35:59
  God. Right.
• 35:59
  No, kudos to you, by the way. I know how it works.
• 36:02
  Anybody can get. First of all, I I did a video
• 36:04
  with him. It wasn't a podcast.
• 36:05
  Yeah, you should totally have him.
• 36:07
  He's great and he's blown up since.
• 36:08
  Yeah, we're gonna have him. He's a fun guy.
• 36:10
  I remember. Yeah, he.
• 36:11
  Doesn't I feel like you don't know, you know?
• 36:13
  Who's this? It's another I.
• 36:14
  Feel like we have to explain every like the La Baba rabbit.
• 36:16
  You ever hear La Batra rabbit? You're like, he's a beer by the.
• 36:18
  Way I got roasted already last week.
• 36:19
  Oh really? Sucks.
• 36:20
  The other guest we had. So these you're not a social
• 36:22
  media too? Much No, I am a social media Oh
• 36:24
  yeah, yes, I don't want to. Be different social.
• 36:25
  Media space maybe? But I also like to see you watch
• 36:28
  certain things. I guess, you know, I'm not.
• 36:30
  And soccer interests don't a line.
• 36:32
  Michael and I, we don't quite. We have very different stuff,
• 36:35
  very, very big into music as he's into.
• 36:37
  Sports. I just wanted to tell you this.
• 36:38
  Two weeks ago, I was out of Barbie.
• 36:39
  Not into sports or music? OK.
• 36:40
  And a friend of ours, this is in the group, one of the friends
• 36:44
  made a comment, somebody said mentioned Mr. Beast or something
• 36:46
  like that. And somebody said, well, who's
• 36:48
  who's Mr. Beast? And we all stopped.
• 36:50
  We thought he was joking. And he's like, who's you don't
• 36:53
  know Mr. Beast, The guy that you know, has like, I don't know the
• 36:57
  most YouTube followers in the world.
• 37:00
  Like you could not avoid him if you tried.
• 37:03
  Like you can't walk 10 miles the.
• 37:05
  The guy probably hasn't seen something from him, he just
• 37:07
  doesn't even realize that he's. Like, no, I never.
• 37:09
  And we kept trying to describe him, you know, and and nothing,
• 37:12
  nothing was sticking. And he's a pretty cultured
• 37:15
  person. Yeah, you know, he's, he's very
• 37:17
  aware. It's not like.
• 37:18
  Right. He's not like living on a rock,
• 37:19
  right? Out of all the things, this is
• 37:22
  something very strange that he didn't know about, and I was
• 37:24
  shocked by it. It just happens.
• 37:26
  Sometimes people just lose sight of something that's very popular
• 37:30
  out there and it. It happens.
• 37:31
  You know, it's not surprising because the I'm obviously he's
• 37:34
  the biggest, but there's so many people that are, I know on
• 37:37
  YouTube, right, they have like 10,000,012 million followers.
• 37:40
  That's significant. And it never crossed my path.
• 37:43
  Like let's say I'm not into sports.
• 37:44
  You just mentioned, I'm sure there's there's Youtubers out
• 37:46
  there that are the biggest sports like people and you
• 37:50
  probably like it's in your orbit.
• 37:52
  So it comes up. But for me it never comes up in
• 37:53
  my orbit. There's, I don't know, 8 billion
• 37:56
  plus people out there. So it makes sense that in his
• 37:59
  world, he just it just didn't never came up.
• 38:01
  It just again it's. Curious, if it's not music and
• 38:04
  it's not sports, then what is it?
• 38:05
  What is? What are your vices?
• 38:06
  What do you follow? I love.
• 38:07
  It's so nerdy and I was into it before the movies were in.
• 38:09
  I love superheroes, OK? I love superheroes.
• 38:12
  I'm a big superhero guy. So who would you love to
• 38:15
  interview then? That's.
• 38:16
  Some superheroes. No, I know.
• 38:18
  I for me, it's just like I, I and I like, I like that fantasy
• 38:21
  of like getting away and like powers.
• 38:22
  I don't know. Yeah, it's very nerdy of me,
• 38:24
  but. Is there a part of you that
• 38:25
  perhaps regrets a little bit? I don't think you regret it too
• 38:28
  much, but maybe even a little bit once in a while.
• 38:30
  You think about it, your podcast, what you're doing now,
• 38:33
  it is very inspirational and you do have some incredible people
• 38:36
  who come onto your podcast with amazing stories and it's very
• 38:41
  insightful and and inspirational and it helps people and it's
• 38:44
  beautiful what you're doing. But I'll be honest, I'm I'm not
• 38:47
  the greatest person, So I I like to also be self-serving, you
• 38:51
  know, for I, I love helping people when I have the chance
• 38:53
  to, but a little me time too. You like you always helps and if
• 38:57
  I would be doing that like I would sort of get bored of it a
• 39:00
  little bit after a while like I need some entertainment, I need
• 39:02
  some I need something more. Do you feel like you're?
• 39:07
  Interesting question. You're in your lane right now.
• 39:08
  This is what you're doing and and this is it.
• 39:11
  You know, it's gonna be hard to sort of deviate from that.
• 39:14
  Like, you know, going through. I told Michael when I agreed to
• 39:16
  do this podcast, I said I don't want it to be about something
• 39:19
  specific. I don't want to have certain
• 39:21
  type of guests on because then I'm going to be locked in.
• 39:24
  I'm into that box now and that's what I got to do.
• 39:26
  And I want to be spontaneous one day.
• 39:28
  I want to talk to this guy. I want to talk to that guy about
• 39:29
  different topics. So do you feel like you're in a
• 39:32
  certain lane, in a certain corner?
• 39:34
  And it's hard to get away from that now.
• 39:35
  Well, you didn't feel the need to like you want to.
• 39:37
  The answer is yes and no. I I saw a quote from Walt Disney
• 39:40
  that I like Michael Scott it and made it into my own quote, but I
• 39:44
  shifted it a little. Walt Disney said we don't make
• 39:48
  movies to make money, we make money to make movies.
• 39:51
  So I love that idea and I passionately feel that I don't
• 39:54
  make podcasts to make money and make money so I can make
• 39:57
  podcasts. So I genuinely love the
• 40:00
  podcasting. And I thought I'd run out of
• 40:04
  people to interview who'd like have an inspirational story.
• 40:06
  And it could be inspirational because like he's friends now.
• 40:10
  Like I really got run over by train.
• 40:12
  He wasn't from legs got chopped off.
• 40:14
  And then he like had a conversation with Hashem and now
• 40:16
  he's from like crazy stories. And then a story about a girl
• 40:20
  who her parents got divorced and her mother's not from anymore.
• 40:23
  And to me that's also very inspirational.
• 40:24
  Like I don't run out of it of like just.
• 40:29
  Being into it, I, I genuinely really, really love it.
• 40:33
  But there is a point of like, OK, I've been doing it kind of
• 40:36
  like I was mentioning before, the muscle, like when you're
• 40:38
  lifting, you know, weights and it's just 10 lbs or 100 lbs,
• 40:42
  whatever it is, after a while your body gets used to it and it
• 40:44
  kind of, it does get a little boring.
• 40:46
  So for, for me, the way I go past that is create more shows
• 40:51
  and create more things and create more ideas.
• 40:53
  Like for me, like podcasting is one of the things that I'm doing
• 40:57
  now. I, I really want to the next
• 41:01
  step or the phase of living the time is to create something
• 41:04
  that's very Torah based. I think there's a lot of great
• 41:06
  Torah programs and things out there, but I personally grew up
• 41:11
  in a world where Torah was, was very pushed on us, I think like
• 41:16
  many of us. And as I got older and really,
• 41:19
  really appreciated the wisdom and, and just the way Hashem
• 41:23
  looked at the Torah and created the world and like how it has
• 41:26
  everything in it. And I've seen that like not
• 41:30
  every person giving over Ashir is created equal.
• 41:32
  Not every piece of Torah is created equal.
• 41:35
  Like I'll find more interest in Agamara and you'll find more
• 41:38
  interest in Navi. So I really think
• 41:41
  technologically we could really do way better with that.
• 41:45
  So that's like my next huge project.
• 41:48
  And for me it's like, OK, everything I've learned from
• 41:51
  living like I'm podcast world or YouTube world till now is just
• 41:55
  train me for that world that I don't think exists yet online.
• 41:59
  So I'm excited for that. Wow.
• 42:01
  Yeah, by the way, him and Nahi both like they're taking their
• 42:05
  platform and they're using it for good.
• 42:08
  Like I, I think me and you, Michael, we would waste it like,
• 42:11
  you know, we would, you know, we'd probably do a little bit of
• 42:14
  good and, you know, but you guys are like thinking bigger and
• 42:17
  bigger and you want to do things that's surrounding around,
• 42:21
  around Torah, which is a beautiful thing.
• 42:23
  And I love the way you're, you're talking like knocking was
• 42:26
  talking about just digitalizing like an entire environment of
• 42:31
  content that's available for kids that they should be having
• 42:34
  what to watch because at the end of the day, they're all going to
• 42:37
  watch stuff and that's unavoidable.
• 42:39
  So at least let's give them some, if they can get behind
• 42:41
  that can be educational and it could be within our within our
• 42:44
  values. I I tried not I I haven't given
• 42:47
  up on it. One of the wrongs of the things
• 42:48
  I was doing, because I thought I'm doing living with hime The
• 42:50
  next was Lachaim kids. So I started a show called the
• 42:53
  adventures of Zevi and Zadie. It's podcast audio only and I do
• 42:57
  together with my friend Yitzi Ingber and it's great And and I
• 43:02
  think there's a need for it. And as we're seeing like I don't
• 43:05
  know all the names of it. I don't even know the names of
• 43:07
  it. So I don't want to like say the
• 43:09
  wrong name, but there's a lot of like websites and apps out there
• 43:11
  that like are for kids content, but it's so hard to do it.
• 43:14
  Like, I don't know if there's a way to do it, like from A and it
• 43:19
  maybe they're pulling it off. But like, it's so hard to do.
• 43:22
  Like, I lose money on Zevins 80. And again, I'm going to continue
• 43:24
  doing it. Literally, I was up until 3:00
• 43:27
  last night just writing a script.
• 43:29
  And I've tried paying people to write the script.
• 43:30
  It's just not the same. But it's, yeah, kids, kids
• 43:34
  content is hard. But yeah, as time goes on, I
• 43:36
  think there will be more and more of all of this.
• 43:40
  And I'm curious when you started this journey of, you know, on
• 43:43
  your own, so to speak, did you have a mentor that Someone Like
• 43:46
  You know, that you went to for guidance that you went to that?
• 43:49
  Yeah. So the answer is yeah, but not
• 43:51
  on the mentor kind of way that that you like for like the
• 43:54
  technological standpoint for that.
• 43:56
  I was like very clear on like my vision for it, but I really
• 44:00
  relied very heavily on my route of Matthew Neuberger.
• 44:03
  There was just a lot of questions and like halacha
• 44:06
  questions and kind of directions what to do and how to go about
• 44:09
  it and like just also just to be sensitive to the industry.
• 44:12
  So I really, really leaned on him.
• 44:15
  I also, I did lean on a lot of of friends to like pick their
• 44:19
  brain and like annoy them with titles and names and and kind of
• 44:23
  getting their feedback. But I, I think I, yeah, for me
• 44:27
  it was is really just putting myself in the shoes of someone
• 44:31
  like I, I'm my own customer, I'm my own audience.
• 44:33
  Like I, I want good content. I want and from, from awesome,
• 44:37
  good Jewish people. So I'm like, OK, how could I
• 44:39
  create that for for me, of course, I'm just one person.
• 44:43
  There's a million from people. Are there a million from?
• 44:45
  I don't know how it works but but yeah, it just as time goes
• 44:49
  on, it's it's. Speaking of sensitive, you know
• 44:51
  Chachi PT said earlier, I forgot exactly how it said it, that,
• 44:54
  you know, if you've laughed or cried or shared Jewish video,
• 44:58
  has there been times that you're interviewing someone and you're
• 45:00
  actually crying? Yeah, all the time.
• 45:02
  I'm very, I'm not an emotional person, but in in the moment,
• 45:07
  like when I'm interviewing someone, I mean easily like with
• 45:10
  hostages or like someone when someone brings up their kids or
• 45:13
  losing children, like I, I, I, I'm in it, I leave it.
• 45:16
  I'm not ashamed by it. Like I'm proud of it.
• 45:18
  Like I'm crying. I'm not like crying, but I am
• 45:22
  like you'll see my face. And I recently as I interviewed
• 45:27
  someone, Hanan Al Gez, his wife was on the way to give birth and
• 45:30
  she was murdered and then and then his baby also didn't make
• 45:33
  it. I'm it was, it was the week
• 45:36
  before. Whatever.
• 45:37
  It's people like you're insensitive.
• 45:38
  Why are you interviewing him now?
• 45:39
  I'm like, I don't want to interview him now.
• 45:40
  His, his family. Badafka wanted it now.
• 45:44
  But I, I was just I the entire time crying and this guy's
• 45:47
  talking about a moon and batafkin and missing his wife.
• 45:50
  And it was, yeah, it was I. I can't watch that stuff.
• 45:53
  No. So I.
• 45:54
  Can't watch that stuff. Yeah.
• 45:55
  Because it makes me realize that I probably say this way too
• 45:59
  often, but I don't think I'm the greatest person, you know?
• 46:01
  I think I'm. I'm just OK at best.
• 46:04
  But then you see people like this just lost his wife, his
• 46:07
  child in the most horrific fashion.
• 46:08
  Yeah. And then weeks later, they're
• 46:10
  talking about their faith reinstalled and how you know
• 46:14
  they're going to. And they're trying to be strong
• 46:15
  for people around them. They're trying to inspire others
• 46:18
  around them right now, and I'm like, what?
• 46:20
  Is this person human? Yeah.
• 46:22
  Because this is what I should aspire to be because I'm way
• 46:25
  off. Yeah.
• 46:25
  I think you're you, you, you like beat up yourself a little
• 46:28
  too much. The answer is that person, for
• 46:30
  whatever reason, Hashem is testing them.
• 46:33
  And Hashem shouldn't test any of us, but he's going through like
• 46:36
  the hardest test. And thank God you're not going
• 46:39
  through that test, but you're, you're, you're supposed to be
• 46:41
  you. You're not supposed to be him.
• 46:42
  I. Understand, but I'm saying as
• 46:43
  most of us didn't have that test and don't show that kind of
• 46:49
  fortitude in the religious aspect of things that he is
• 46:52
  right now at the moment in his most vulnerable state.
• 46:55
  It's just amazing. It's unbelievable.
• 46:56
  I'm, I'm, I'm really impressed, right?
• 46:59
  But it does remind us that we have it too good.
• 47:01
  We have it very good. We have to be thankful, very
• 47:03
  thankful. Who was your best guest?
• 47:06
  Like who was not your biggest guest?
• 47:08
  Not your best, your biggest. That really produced the wildest
• 47:11
  numbers for you. What?
• 47:13
  So you're asking the best? Or you're asking which one did
• 47:16
  the best. There's so many ways to ask that
• 47:18
  question. Let's go with this.
• 47:19
  Which one did the best? Which one did?
• 47:21
  So on kosher numbers, wise on. Kosher money is a great lesson
• 47:25
  to show like, I don't know anything.
• 47:26
  My brother was like doing these on the street bits.
• 47:30
  This is like 3 years ago. Four years ago it was like
• 47:33
  before on the street bits were a thing really and his idea going
• 47:37
  out and just interviewing people, money related stuff.
• 47:39
  I think it was tiny Kaepernick or or maybe someone else, like
• 47:43
  sold this woman a bubby in like this purple coat and purple
• 47:48
  everything and he's like her, We need to interview her.
• 47:51
  My brother goes over to her and she's like the classic Jewish
• 47:55
  bubby. And my brother's like, I'm
• 47:57
  telling you like this is going to be a kosher money episode.
• 47:59
  Like we interviewed her for like it was supposed to be a minute
• 48:01
  or two, but he interviewed her for like, I don't know, 10
• 48:04
  minutes. And he's like, I'm telling you,
• 48:05
  I'm turning this into kosher money episode.
• 48:07
  And I told my brother Ellie, I'm like, Ellie, this is such a bad
• 48:10
  idea, but who cares? Like, OK, we let's experiment.
• 48:13
  We always love experimenting, but this is going to get like
• 48:15
  2000 views. It has like 2.1 million views.
• 48:19
  It is our highest viewed video. I saw that video and I loved it.
• 48:22
  She's great and and and even like I even saw it and I'm like,
• 48:26
  this is good, but like no one's going to care.
• 48:28
  And I was totally wrong. And it was like it was our
• 48:30
  literally our biggest hit, at least on the long form.
• 48:33
  And I was just so wrong. So I happened to fight with my
• 48:37
  brother a lot. We're very close.
• 48:39
  I'm close to the longer of us when I say fight like we never
• 48:41
  like actually fight about real things, but like ideas wise, I'm
• 48:44
  very stubborn. I'm like I'm usually I think I
• 48:46
  am usually right, but I am sometimes so wrong.
• 48:49
  So like I always like humble myself and be like he has an
• 48:52
  idea, like maybe it's going to. Work onto something.
• 48:55
  Yeah. I just want to make sure I
• 48:56
  understand this. So your brother Ellie has the
• 48:58
  kosher money? He does kosher money you.
• 49:00
  Do the inspiration for the nation.
• 49:01
  Yeah. And how did that happen?
• 49:03
  Does did he start after year? Did you bring him into this?
• 49:06
  Yeah. So I was, I was doing, I was
• 49:08
  doing meaningful people at that point.
• 49:09
  And then the first one that I want to start was Kosher money.
• 49:12
  My brother want to do a business related podcast, but I'm like,
• 49:16
  Ellie, you don't listen to any podcast.
• 49:18
  He's like, OK, so who cares? But I'm like, I have an idea for
• 49:21
  you. It's not business related.
• 49:22
  It's in that realm. But I would love to do is after
• 49:26
  I interviewed Naftali Horowitz, which to answer, I guess the
• 49:28
  first part of your question for me, it was like my Naftali
• 49:32
  Horowitz is my favorite persona online because he's this
• 49:37
  Khasidis Babov guy originally and he made it big.
• 49:41
  He does investment banking and he's so good.
• 49:44
  But he talks about like what true success really is.
• 49:47
  And he's so well spoken and he has such, he basically to me,
• 49:51
  he's a walking musser safer. And he's so good at talking and
• 49:55
  he has everyone listening and he's so good.
• 49:58
  So that's where the idea of kosher money came.
• 50:01
  I went to him and I said I've been listening to Dave Ramsey.
• 50:05
  He's a advisor for the biggest advisor in America for non Jews.
• 50:12
  And I'm like he's great. But like he's talking about like
• 50:14
  if you're living in middle America making $50,000 and you
• 50:17
  have one kid, you're good to go. If you have $50,000 in New York
• 50:21
  and seven kids, you are in poverty.
• 50:24
  Like even if, even if making $200,000, like it's, it's crazy.
• 50:28
  So I told him I would love to create a show around him.
• 50:30
  Like he's the new Dave Ramsey. He said the problem is Dave
• 50:33
  Ramsey very into budgeting. He doesn't budget.
• 50:36
  I said, what do you do? So I just make more money than
• 50:38
  my wife spends. I'm like, OK, I hear that.
• 50:40
  He's like, I'm also too busy. He is a very busy guy.
• 50:43
  But he said speak to Zevi Woolman at the OU.
• 50:46
  They want to do something. So I spoke to Zevi and I said,
• 50:48
  OK, I would love to create a show, but Naftali doesn't want
• 50:53
  to do it. He'll be a guest on it.
• 50:54
  But my brother really wants to do a podcast.
• 50:56
  And that's where Kosher Money came to be.
• 50:59
  Yeah, I've been doing it since and Naftali's been on it,
• 51:03
  working on like a spin off kind of show with him, hopefully.
• 51:07
  Not necessarily about money, more about like success and
• 51:09
  Musser, but yeah. So are they are they separate
• 51:13
  podcasts like you, you own inspiration for the nation.
• 51:15
  He owns social money first of. All it used to be an LLC, but I
• 51:19
  dismantled it. It's a nonprofit now because I
• 51:21
  think by the nature, maybe I'm making a mistake.
• 51:23
  Maybe Netflix will buy it one day and now I can't sell it to
• 51:25
  them. But I'm sure you could figure it
• 51:27
  out. It's a nonprofit because I
• 51:29
  believe in like everything we're putting out.
• 51:30
  Like my goal is every podcast should really help someone live
• 51:33
  a better life. It's not I'm not real.
• 51:35
  Again, it is entertaining, but I'm not there for entertainment.
• 51:37
  I'm really there to help someone just get a better perspective on
• 51:41
  their life or really financially figure out their whether they're
• 51:45
  making a lot of money or they're making no money.
• 51:47
  Like kosher money is there for them or the mental health or the
• 51:50
  Jewish gram or whatever show that we're having.
• 51:54
  So living like him is kind of like Netflix.
• 51:56
  Netflix is not a show. It's a place where you could see
• 52:00
  multiple shows. So that's what living with Hyme
• 52:03
  is. And we have a board, so
• 52:05
  technically I don't even own it. And then there's an inspiration
• 52:07
  for the nation. There's kosher money.
• 52:09
  There's that's an issue. Podcast therapy.
• 52:12
  Jewish Grandma. Zebian Zadie.
• 52:15
  So you signed in. One or two that I'm forgetting.
• 52:17
  I feel like my. Kids starting I'm.
• 52:19
  Forgetting Yeah, we're working on three other ones now.
• 52:21
  You're trying to build a real media platform.
• 52:24
  Yeah, you have a bunch of stuff that's that's going in there.
• 52:27
  You know, once you have over 1,000,000 followers, the options
• 52:31
  are really open for you. Yeah.
• 52:32
  I mean, you can start really doing things and making money
• 52:35
  and that is not what you're focused on.
• 52:37
  No and I. Think and I'm I'm I don't know
• 52:38
  if I should be disappointed in you, no you or if I should be
• 52:41
  impressed by you, but I think you got it I'm.
• 52:43
  Doing the Mr. Beast model, I, I really think Mr. And I know Mr.
• 52:46
  Beast is where he is because he just doesn't and he doesn't care
• 52:51
  about the money. I'm sure he's a human being, but
• 52:53
  he just invests it back in. He genuinely really cares about
• 52:57
  and I, I'm not sure, I'm sure we'll hear a podcast one day
• 53:00
  about like his relationship with his father.
• 53:01
  I think his father like walked out on him.
• 53:03
  So like maybe that's where he's like, I don't know where it's
• 53:05
  coming from, but he's really just by nature just loves it.
• 53:10
  And that's why, again, I don't know is exact.
• 53:12
  Like his net worth I think is a billion dollars.
• 53:14
  Again, I don't think he has a billion dollars, but his empire,
• 53:17
  what he's built, It's it's because he just passionately
• 53:20
  just cares. And when you do that, just more
• 53:22
  money comes. So fellows, yeah, so I am.
• 53:24
  So if I I, if I went back to myself and just showed myself
• 53:28
  like how much money we're getting from YouTube a month, I
• 53:30
  would be like, I would never believe it.
• 53:33
  Bob Barksham. It's just going and as I go,
• 53:36
  just. Is YouTube the only platform
• 53:37
  that's paying you right now? Do you have any we?
• 53:39
  Make money in three ways. The least way we do is because
• 53:42
  I'm just not a fundraiser is we are a nonprofit.
• 53:44
  People could donatelivingtime.com/donate I I
• 53:48
  only really lean on it. It's like when we make we put a
• 53:50
  free Tisha buff film cost me $30,000 to produce and it was
• 53:53
  free and it's amazing because it's free.
• 53:55
  It's not because it wasn't good, it's just because I just don't
• 53:58
  want to charge for it. So there I like, I don't have, I
• 54:01
  mean we have money, but it's like going towards other
• 54:03
  projects like so I do like fundraise for them, but
• 54:07
  generally not. The second way is through
• 54:09
  YouTube. That's our big like second
• 54:11
  biggest source. And then our biggest way is
• 54:13
  through our advertisers like Twillery and Kolhabad and
• 54:17
  Bitbean that Berkshire, they they're sponsorship.
• 54:20
  They're. Sponsorship.
• 54:21
  Speaking of which, I have a surprise.
• 54:23
  You have a sponsor? Yeah.
• 54:24
  Heck yeah. Let's promote them.
• 54:26
  Guess who it is? That being twillery.
• 54:28
  Twillery. Heck yeah.
• 54:30
  Okay. So well, twillery was just
• 54:32
  saying can I? Help sell twillery and of course
• 54:33
  use your problem. Saki was on our podcast and we
• 54:36
  were just talking about the brand of Twillery.
• 54:40
  I love twillery he. Couldn't stop talking about it
• 54:41
  and then we just reached a deal on the.
• 54:45
  I so OK, so I was wearing them before we reached out to them so
• 54:50
  that you you already know it's like a good brand.
• 54:53
  Exactly. Me too, by the way.
• 54:54
  Yeah, yeah. Me too.
• 54:55
  Are you joking? You're serious?
• 54:56
  I'm serious. OK, I mean, right.
• 54:57
  I am not wearing the shirt now because I don't have that many
• 55:00
  I'm wearing. I'm wearing the T-shirt from
• 55:02
  them. I'm wearing the sweatpants by
• 55:03
  them. They are the most comfortable
• 55:07
  clothes. Unfashionable.
• 55:09
  Very I'm serious. I used to be more into my
• 55:12
  clothes but like in my later 20s I think I kind of gave up on it
• 55:16
  which my wife isn't so happy about.
• 55:18
  But since we started with Tillery like 2-3 years ago, they
• 55:21
  send me a lot of clothes and I promise I look so much better
• 55:24
  now. Wow so much better.
• 55:26
  And those she the one shirts that I don't like from
• 55:28
  Abercrombie. That's like very baggy.
• 55:29
  My wife hates and she loves when I wear Twitter.
• 55:31
  I was gonna say, we're going to start looking much better.
• 55:33
  So excited. Great for solemn bias.
• 55:35
  I mean, you guys both look pretty put together, so you're
• 55:37
  fine, but it's. It'll just elevate.
• 55:39
  It it's just great clothing and. Yeah, Saki said.
• 55:42
  Something interesting which we're going to experience
• 55:43
  ourselves and we're going to showcase how it works, is that
• 55:46
  he's saving a lot of money on dry cleaning.
• 55:48
  I don't dry clean anymore. It's crazy.
• 55:50
  Like my suits suits, right, That's you dry clean suits or
• 55:54
  like even now we've like it past 10 years shirts a lot of people
• 55:56
  just put in the wash. OK, they have that.
• 55:58
  But like the fact that I could put my suit in a washing machine
• 56:01
  and also have the most comfortable suit.
• 56:03
  You know what, you know it's I'm a little upset about when I
• 56:05
  started wearing the Twillery suits, it was like I was
• 56:08
  literally the only one and like it was cool.
• 56:10
  Like now it's not cool anymore. Everyone wears it and I'm.
• 56:13
  Like everybody has. I used to be the guy and now
• 56:15
  everyone wears it but. Nobody gets how much of our
• 56:17
  time? 2 minutes like 3.
• 56:18
  Yeah, give them too much. I don't wanna.
• 56:20
  Give them too much to bill them, do you?
• 56:21
  Have more? Do they give you a promo code?
• 56:23
  The promo code, Do you wanna give it?
• 56:24
  Not yet. Not yet.
• 56:25
  OK. I should ask them for this
• 56:27
  episode actually. Give it give it on this one
• 56:29
  'cause they're very analytical about the promo code.
• 56:31
  Yeah, yeah. They're analytical about
• 56:33
  everything and we're excited about that.
• 56:34
  Yeah. So seeing how many people are
• 56:35
  gonna come based on who's listening.
• 56:37
  And I love I think that that environment we we, yeah, we've
• 56:40
  so I'm. Excited about that.
• 56:41
  I want to go back to the line of questioning that she had.
• 56:44
  So I really, really like that you had so many episodes, so
• 56:46
  many moments that you've. Had how many episodes to be
• 56:49
  exact? I, I, I don't know, I stopped
• 56:51
  counting, but oh, I mean for inspirational kind of thing.
• 56:55
  Inspiration for the nation since you started that.
• 56:57
  I don't know, like 200, maybe 300 altogether.
• 57:00
  Wow. A lot.
• 57:01
  A lot. Of those episodes, I mean,
• 57:05
  there's so many questions that I would have to ask.
• 57:07
  And Usher, you touched upon a couple of good ones.
• 57:09
  I want to know if any of them were a disappointing like, oh,
• 57:13
  I'm so excited. And then it was like, you don't
• 57:15
  have to say who it was, obviously.
• 57:16
  Sure, sure. And then I'd like to know if
• 57:17
  there's any that was really surprising.
• 57:19
  Like, you know, you came in one angle and boom, came at another
• 57:22
  angle. I think the answer is I do a lot
• 57:26
  of research before, so I usually am not officially bored, but I
• 57:31
  kind of know, not always. I kind of know what they're all
• 57:34
  going to say. So generally, I don't think I've
• 57:38
  ever had one that I was disappointed.
• 57:40
  Sometimes some of the episodes, the guests aren't as eloquent as
• 57:44
  I hoped for them to be. But that just means I'll have to
• 57:49
  cut out the UMS in it. Not me personally.
• 57:52
  I don't edit it, but our editor would have to cut out the UMS or
• 57:55
  I remember Mendy Levy. He, he escaped from the cult.
• 58:01
  What's the cult's name again? Lev Tar.
• 58:02
  Lev Tar. He escaped from Lev Tar.
• 58:04
  He's like grew up not speaking English in Guatemala and just
• 58:08
  speaking hardcore Yiddish. And then I had him on and he has
• 58:12
  such a compelling story, but he called me after he's like, could
• 58:14
  we redo it? And I said 100%, like I was open
• 58:17
  to it. And then when we redid it, like
• 58:19
  I kind of helped him because I at that point very much knew his
• 58:22
  story. So I kind of like, you won't see
• 58:24
  it in it. It'll just like sound like he's
• 58:25
  just saying over a story. But there were a lot of work
• 58:27
  that was needed. But he.
• 58:28
  Shot the whole thing again. And the whole.
• 58:30
  Episode. It happens a few times.
• 58:31
  Very nice of you. I it's, it's, it's better for
• 58:33
  the audience. They the second time you do it,
• 58:36
  it it's like the person if they're nervous about it and
• 58:39
  I've done it like 3-4 times at this point, I'm always happy to
• 58:41
  do it. It's an extra hour of my time
• 58:43
  and it's a better product like. It's something I'm learning a
• 58:45
  lot about you is that you're very focused on the audience and
• 58:47
  what they're listening, very how they're listening.
• 58:49
  They're my boss. No, I like, I like how you're
• 58:52
  saying they control. You didn't get the millions of
• 58:53
  followers by. They're the boss.
• 58:55
  Reason I look at any creator on YouTube or podcasts, they are,
• 59:01
  again, I'm not going to like if you know, just put on something
• 59:04
  crazy because I think they're going to want it.
• 59:06
  Like I have to try to understand them but they're the boss.
• 59:09
  No, we were laughing earlier about our first episodes, and
• 59:11
  the first episodes we were trying for it to be more about,
• 59:14
  oh, she and I, right. We were like, OK, it should be
• 59:16
  interesting because we're interesting guys.
• 59:18
  Little did we know, nobody actually cares about it as much
• 59:21
  as we think the. Answer is people are thrown with
• 59:23
  so much content in their face. It could be they are but to get
• 59:26
  them like to do shows like you mentioned Ben Shapiro before,
• 59:29
  like to do solo shows. Just just having someone by them
• 59:32
  self talking. Yeah or or just two guys
• 59:34
  talking. It is so incredibly difficult to
• 59:37
  do. Real from a marketing
• 59:38
  perspective. She also made it very difficult
• 59:41
  for me when he said I want it to be about anything and
• 59:43
  everything. And I'm like, Oh my God.
• 59:44
  From a marketing perspective, if you have a lane, yes, then
• 59:47
  people listen more. So we don't have really that
• 59:49
  niche. It turned into a growth oriented
• 59:51
  podcast and we're loving it. You know what, 'cause then it
• 59:54
  becomes a commitment. I don't.
• 59:55
  Even know what What is your lane?
• 59:56
  What is your niche? So our our niche, I think right
• 59:59
  now in terms of what we're listening to from the feedback
• 1:00:01
  is people are enjoying our messages and what people are
• 1:00:03
  learning from the growth. But hold on, let's say kosher
• 1:00:06
  money's money. That's an issue.
• 1:00:07
  Is mental health inspiration? Inspiration I.
• 1:00:09
  Would say none of your business is the life story of the of the
• 1:00:13
  guest, but it's a growth oriented podcast.
• 1:00:15
  Like I am going to ask you what is your message?
• 1:00:17
  Do you think do you think the the name Shasheft?
• 1:00:21
  You know what I thought about that over the past few months
• 1:00:23
  because of the feedback that we've been getting, and then
• 1:00:25
  we're heading in that direction. But the idea of None of Your
• 1:00:28
  Business, first of all, it's a cute name and it's a cute name.
• 1:00:30
  I love when people ask us what the name of our podcast is, when
• 1:00:32
  we say None of Your Business and it takes them a second.
• 1:00:34
  Yeah, it takes them a second. Yeah, they do a little double
• 1:00:36
  tape. Yeah.
• 1:00:36
  But I ask something, Right? Right.
• 1:00:38
  It's like I didn't ask you for your.
• 1:00:40
  Look at their No, no, no, it's. But I it's cool.
• 1:00:41
  I think also the the double meaning to it is almost like,
• 1:00:45
  you know, I'm a guest on your podcast.
• 1:00:47
  I'm going to say things, but normally I wouldn't share it and
• 1:00:50
  it wouldn't be any anybody's business, but I'm going to share
• 1:00:52
  it, you know. So the hopes that is that is
• 1:00:54
  really the hopes of getting the guests to share things that they
• 1:00:57
  would normally not share. And that is the messages that
• 1:01:00
  we're trying to get from people and the growth, you know, that
• 1:01:02
  we're trying to experience. So that's and then we realized
• 1:01:05
  that we needed to have guests and then like those guests is
• 1:01:07
  really what makes the shows and getting creative guests and
• 1:01:10
  people that have not been recycled too much and people are
• 1:01:13
  interested in or they never heard of them before.
• 1:01:15
  And I love doing that in terms of trying to find those guests.
• 1:01:18
  And I don't mind recycling, you know, people that have been out
• 1:01:20
  there, especially because our audience is our audience and
• 1:01:23
  they're very committed audience. That's awesome.
• 1:01:25
  And you know, we do have a healthcare background, sales and
• 1:01:27
  marketing. So we have those listeners as
• 1:01:29
  well. But it's been from all over.
• 1:01:30
  But tell me another guest that surprised you.
• 1:01:32
  Someone that came in like so I. Remember, so I'm very close to
• 1:01:35
  Lavie Greenspan. He is someone who who went blind
• 1:01:38
  that I don't remember the age, but like age of 20 something he
• 1:01:42
  had like a tumor. And Long story short, he became
• 1:01:44
  blind and he grew up like very modern Orthodox.
• 1:01:48
  And as time went on, he's become to me, he he's, he's a Sadiq.
• 1:01:52
  Like you'll go around with him every cuddle he has their
• 1:01:55
  number, he's speaking to them. He's always giving out brachas.
• 1:01:58
  He's always buying sfarim and just talking about Yiden.
• 1:02:01
  He's he's I, I'm kidding. He says he, he could see Hashem
• 1:02:04
  in a certain way, you'd keep up. I don't know.
• 1:02:06
  He's a Sadiq. I'm not exaggerating either way.
• 1:02:09
  Very excitingly. He was always just dying to get.
• 1:02:12
  He said I'd rather get married than be able to see he got
• 1:02:15
  married and and I interviewed him and and his his the girl so
• 1:02:20
  actually saw the interview and she wasn't going to go out with
• 1:02:22
  him. But because of it, she actually
• 1:02:23
  said I'm going to go out with him crazy.
• 1:02:26
  And they went out and she reached out to me the night
• 1:02:27
  before they got engaged, said you should know because of your
• 1:02:29
  interview. I decided to actually go out
• 1:02:32
  with him, which is crazy. I did not get shahanas yet and
• 1:02:35
  I'm now get it. But no, no, the idea of it.
• 1:02:37
  It's like it's crazy. Like what's his name again?
• 1:02:39
  I'm sorry. V Greenspan.
• 1:02:41
  Wow, Sadiq totally should have him because he doesn't do too
• 1:02:43
  many podcasts either way. OK, great.
• 1:02:46
  And and then and she she's a key ORS fine.
• 1:02:48
  I did actually did a video, one of my favorite videos on our
• 1:02:51
  YouTube channel. I vlogged their wedding.
• 1:02:53
  He had the Rashivas of Lakewood and the Rashivas of Yu, which
• 1:02:57
  they're very different, like sitting next to each other, like
• 1:03:00
  he's a tadek. He's not Mashiach, but he's that
• 1:03:03
  level. He's helping bring Mashiach.
• 1:03:05
  I did yeah, literally and and I did a whole vlog of his wedding.
• 1:03:07
  It's a fun 10 minute video. Highly recommend you watch it.
• 1:03:10
  It's great either way. I said I would love to have you
• 1:03:14
  and your wife and and like this is this is great.
• 1:03:17
  Like the fact like such different worlds and I start and
• 1:03:20
  great. I, I know her stories, Goris
• 1:03:22
  Goris from, I forgot from we're, I don't know, somewhere out of
• 1:03:26
  town. And at the point I, at that time
• 1:03:29
  I knew. And while they're sitting down,
• 1:03:31
  she was describing that she grew up in a place and they're
• 1:03:34
  Christian. And she started describing that
• 1:03:36
  they were Christians, but they made believe that they were
• 1:03:38
  Jewish. And they started blending into
• 1:03:41
  the Jewish community in order to get other, to get Jews to
• 1:03:45
  believe in Yashka. And then at a point, she felt it
• 1:03:48
  was wrong. Like, what were you doing?
• 1:03:50
  She's tried leaving and they didn't let her leave.
• 1:03:52
  I'm like, wait a SEC. And like, I didn't know this
• 1:03:54
  about her. I'm like, were you in a cult?
• 1:03:56
  She's like, yeah, I was in a cult.
• 1:03:57
  Forgot the name of the cult, but she was literally in a cult.
• 1:03:59
  It wasn't these crazy cults where they'll, like, murder you
• 1:04:01
  if you leave. She got out of it, but she was
• 1:04:03
  in a cult. So like, like, you could watch
• 1:04:06
  this interview. I don't know.
• 1:04:06
  I did it like, like a year ago. I'm like you.
• 1:04:09
  You actually see me actually shocked?
• 1:04:12
  Like, holy cow. Like, I did not know.
• 1:04:14
  I've had people who were in cults before, but like, I did
• 1:04:16
  not know Lavie's wife was in a cult.
• 1:04:19
  And like, he's like, sitting there.
• 1:04:20
  Like, yeah, she was like, it was crazy, crazy.
• 1:04:22
  And I was like, fascinated, like actually in the interview.
• 1:04:25
  And she's great. I mean, Someone Like You must
• 1:04:27
  have so many messages. I mean, we've been already
• 1:04:29
  hearing so many of them. But what would be that one
• 1:04:31
  message for people listening in terms of growth, right?
• 1:04:34
  And it could be none of anyone's business, but, you know, we want
• 1:04:37
  you to share it. But in terms of someone who's,
• 1:04:39
  you know, you have a lot of listeners that are listening to
• 1:04:41
  your podcast. People are all over social media
• 1:04:43
  trying to, you know, they're thirsty for something, right?
• 1:04:46
  What would be your message? Yeah, I'm going to give super
• 1:04:48
  cliche, but for me personally, it means everything.
• 1:04:51
  I think there's a quote in, I don't know if it's Pierre K,
• 1:04:54
  Elvis or somewhere else in Khazal.
• 1:04:56
  It's a safe. You say it's in Khazal.
• 1:04:57
  I mean, you're safe. You don't prove me otherwise.
• 1:05:00
  Exactly. So it's out there and it says
• 1:05:03
  that Hashem created the world. And when you're in it again, I'm
• 1:05:11
  like butchering it, but like you need to be in it.
• 1:05:13
  And I think so often and, and I don't blame it, but I think like
• 1:05:17
  when I was growing up, like you look, you look at like the
• 1:05:19
  dilemma and, and other people in life.
• 1:05:21
  And you're like, kind of like you were saying with, with the
• 1:05:24
  podcast about like people going through tragedy.
• 1:05:25
  Like you look at those people going through and like, oh,
• 1:05:28
  like, yeah, Rufheim Karievsky's Rufheim Karievsky.
• 1:05:30
  And like we're kind of like trying to emulate them, but at a
• 1:05:33
  certain point in life, and at least from seeing all these
• 1:05:36
  different people and their different stories and like you
• 1:05:39
  have your mission, I'm created you for whatever it is.
• 1:05:43
  Maybe it's to make a lot of money and give out a lot to
• 1:05:45
  DACA. Maybe it's to weird your citiz.
• 1:05:47
  Maybe it's to do has it for a family.
• 1:05:49
  I don't know what your mission is in life, but we all have it.
• 1:05:52
  And as long as you're living like that is your mission.
• 1:05:55
  And don't get it's so easy to get jealous of different people
• 1:05:59
  because they're more in quote, successful, they're making more
• 1:06:01
  money or they're getting more views or, or, or whatever it is.
• 1:06:04
  And every there's always what to be jealous about other people.
• 1:06:07
  But like you have your life, you have your family, you have your
• 1:06:10
  maybe you don't have a family. I don't know.
• 1:06:11
  You're Hashem is giving you whatever he's supposed to be
• 1:06:14
  giving you. And that's that's life.
• 1:06:16
  And that's a good thing. It's not a bad thing.
• 1:06:18
  Love it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:20
  I think that makes sense. It makes a lot of sense that's.
• 1:06:22
  Make a lot. Unfortunately, it makes a lot of
• 1:06:24
  sense and now we gotta go figure out what that is.
• 1:06:27
  Yeah, I gotta figure it out. That isn't that the whole chase,
• 1:06:29
  That's the part I really journey.
• 1:06:31
  It's a. Journey, I really look at it
• 1:06:32
  like I think and you guys are like the health.
• 1:06:34
  I, I really think there are, there's, there's someone who's
• 1:06:38
  75 years old now, again, I'm nothing of anyone specific who
• 1:06:40
  owns 50 nursing homes. And I personally, I'm 33 years
• 1:06:44
  old. I don't own any nursing homes.
• 1:06:46
  I'll take one. I don't know own anything.
• 1:06:49
  I am not financially like so rich Berksham.
• 1:06:52
  I have a family, I'm good. I make mistakes.
• 1:06:54
  Life is not perfect, but like, I think I genuinely get more
• 1:06:57
  simplest time and more fulfillment in my life because
• 1:07:00
  I, again, maybe he does. I am, he's giving lots of luck
• 1:07:03
  maybe, but I think I am getting more.
• 1:07:05
  I'm just using that guy who's like working all day and I'm
• 1:07:09
  like what I'm doing is giving me more fulfillment then him again,
• 1:07:12
  I'm comparing me to him then, but I'm just very thankful for
• 1:07:15
  what I have. And I, I think, I think a lot of
• 1:07:18
  us. With that, it's okay to compare
• 1:07:20
  yourself to others in the reverse way, right?
• 1:07:22
  You know, saying I'm better off, Yeah, you know, but look at what
• 1:07:25
  he's going through. I think he has a more difficult.
• 1:07:26
  I have to think I have a great that's a beautiful thing.
• 1:07:29
  That's sort of the way it was meant to be by design.
• 1:07:30
  That's what you should be doing is when you compare yourself
• 1:07:33
  that way, which which lucky you is that I I can see, by the way.
• 1:07:36
  Yeah, Go. Here's my take.
• 1:07:37
  OK, I'm gonna sit with you for like an hour now.
• 1:07:40
  I like a good take and a lot A lot of people are watching you
• 1:07:42
  for many years. They're seeing, you know, I'm
• 1:07:44
  seeing a different side of you. You're generally a nice guy.
• 1:07:47
  You're you're you're you're good peoples like you're somebody I.
• 1:07:50
  Think I'm way more better than people realize by the way, I'm
• 1:07:53
  serious. I am my ask my wife.
• 1:07:55
  I am like. I don't like going anywhere.
• 1:07:57
  I am like, yeah, I'm jaded, but but I, I'm, you know, I'm a nice
• 1:08:02
  guy. I'm a nice guy.
• 1:08:03
  No, I, I hate big crowds. I, I rarely go to like, I enjoy
• 1:08:09
  weddings because I like seeing my friends, but like, I don't
• 1:08:11
  like, like my wife wanted to go to concert.
• 1:08:13
  I'm like, heck no, I'm not going to like, I don't like, I get
• 1:08:16
  free tickets all the time. Like hey, let's Bart.
• 1:08:17
  I'm like, no, I this is not. I will pay money not to go to
• 1:08:20
  these places. So interesting.
• 1:08:21
  Yeah, I like, but I I love that. No, I love that because.
• 1:08:25
  I'm one-on-one, like or whatever, whatever this is like
• 1:08:27
  this, I love. I don't like the big crowd.
• 1:08:29
  I guess you don't see the other people right in.
• 1:08:31
  Front I don't see them it's one on ones.
• 1:08:33
  It's very different. I go to my studio, I go to my
• 1:08:35
  office like I and I see and I love the one on ones, but
• 1:08:38
  there's. A lot of depth to you.
• 1:08:39
  There's a lot of you know, there's intimacy, you know,
• 1:08:41
  it's, it's more of. You know, I'll be honest, we
• 1:08:43
  were talking about this before. Like, you know, you asked us
• 1:08:46
  where's our podcast going? Like, what are we doing?
• 1:08:49
  I'll tell you where I'd like it to go.
• 1:08:50
  Sure where I'd like it to go. Oh whoa, whoa, one second.
• 1:08:53
  I'd like to hear this too. Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:08:54
  Go ahead. Tell me, 'cause last time we
• 1:08:56
  started off I was like, oh, she we hit 10,000 listeners is like,
• 1:08:59
  so I'm like, OK, that's great. I thought that's a pretty and
• 1:09:03
  you actually confirmed now that 10,000 is a pretty significant
• 1:09:05
  number? And that was great.
• 1:09:06
  Yeah, yeah, but it's not good enough for him.
• 1:09:08
  But let's hear what would you like us?
• 1:09:10
  I wanna have fun. I want to talk about things that
• 1:09:13
  people haven't talked about openly in our communities.
• 1:09:17
  Sure. And I'm not talking about the
• 1:09:18
  like you. Know he's doing great with that
• 1:09:20
  again I I I don't understand it because it's in Yiddish, but I
• 1:09:22
  Nachi nachi onsanti I love him you know what I'm.
• 1:09:25
  Talking about I'm a big fan. Yeah, I think, again, I've never
• 1:09:27
  actually listened. And I think he's like pushing
• 1:09:29
  them a little, a little too much.
• 1:09:30
  Yeah, but Binker but they think. That payment, yeah, yeah, we
• 1:09:33
  need a little bit of entertainment, but.
• 1:09:35
  And that's OK. You could have your goals for
• 1:09:36
  it, and you could have your goals and and.
• 1:09:38
  That's what I want. But by the way, again, mine is
• 1:09:40
  very self-serving. Yeah.
• 1:09:41
  And I've been helping a lot of people by doing that.
• 1:09:43
  That's fair. But I do think that I am helping
• 1:09:45
  in a way that we're bringing joy into people's lives a little
• 1:09:49
  bit, and we're bringing that certain entertainment that would
• 1:09:51
  somewhat be closer. Yeah.
• 1:09:52
  I'm not talking about nasty type of entertainment, talking about
• 1:09:55
  right, you know, good entertainment that people could
• 1:09:57
  get behind. And instead of watching a
• 1:09:59
  Netflix show, what's that what they'll TuneIn for now?
• 1:10:02
  I think that's. Very.
• 1:10:03
  It's good vibes, good energy and I want to have other people that
• 1:10:06
  are interesting, other people that have what to say, what to
• 1:10:09
  talk about. You could sit.
• 1:10:11
  That's what I want in my. There's something very.
• 1:10:12
  That's what I want. By the fact I'm making
• 1:10:13
  $1,000,000 while I'm doing it, it'll be also very nice.
• 1:10:15
  Yeah, I wouldn't say no. Yeah, I wouldn't say.
• 1:10:18
  You know you're going to get a few free shirts from toilet.
• 1:10:21
  No expectations, no on the money side, by the way, it's like you
• 1:10:24
  said, there's no real money in this.
• 1:10:26
  At the end of the day, it's actually costing us a lot of
• 1:10:28
  money to to do what we're doing, but we we like it because it is
• 1:10:32
  helping us grow. I feel like since we started
• 1:10:34
  doing this podcast, we've, I've met incredible people just like
• 1:10:37
  you have on your podcast. I've seen so many people sit in
• 1:10:39
  that chair and I've heard their stories.
• 1:10:41
  I'm blown away. I'm like, who are you?
• 1:10:43
  You an alien? Where did you come from?
• 1:10:45
  Right. Yeah.
• 1:10:45
  And we met a guy that was a guest here, lives in my
• 1:10:48
  neighborhood and I barely ever knew him.
• 1:10:50
  And also as I was telling us all these things of it, and I'm
• 1:10:52
  like, wow. I mean, we just like we unpacked
• 1:10:55
  everything that's there and there's so many layers to this.
• 1:10:57
  He's an incredible person. And from that alone, I'm
• 1:11:01
  becoming a little bit better. I'm becoming more in tune with
• 1:11:04
  with what's out there. So I'm appreciating it.
• 1:11:06
  And, and this is what Michael told me from the beginning.
• 1:11:08
  He's like, let's just go on this journey and we'll see where it
• 1:11:11
  takes us. Like we never really had a major
• 1:11:13
  plan. We didn't put a five year plan,
• 1:11:15
  10 year plan. Let's do it.
• 1:11:16
  Let's jump in and let's see how it goes.
• 1:11:18
  And that's sort of where we are right now.
• 1:11:20
  Where it goes from here. We shall see.
• 1:11:22
  You know, we're, we're writing this book as as we're speaking,
• 1:11:26
  we're literally page by page. But that's where I would love it
• 1:11:28
  to go. It's just to have fun, have a
• 1:11:30
  good time, good vibes, good energy.
• 1:11:32
  You know, there's something I, I do think that is spiritual
• 1:11:36
  about, and I don't mean spiritual, like Yeshivish from
• 1:11:39
  spiritual, but like there's something that, you know, I, I
• 1:11:41
  guess the way Hashem created the world, it's he kind of the way
• 1:11:45
  he created himself, not created himself, but created this world
• 1:11:48
  that we relate to him is, you know, for example, Hashem
• 1:11:53
  created the world. So there's something when you
• 1:11:55
  create a business, right, and it's successful.
• 1:11:57
  There's a certain enjoyment, not, not even the money.
• 1:11:59
  There's something about it that you're creating, having
• 1:12:01
  children. Like there's something that's
• 1:12:03
  very and knock us exactly. So I, I think in the same way,
• 1:12:06
  like there's, you know, davening and there's, there's that
• 1:12:08
  relationship that back and forth with Hashem.
• 1:12:11
  There's something very cathartic about just what we're doing
• 1:12:14
  right right now. Like there's again, I think
• 1:12:17
  we're in a time where technology is like connecting us but also
• 1:12:20
  bringing us apart. Like when do we sit down with
• 1:12:24
  our spouse or with our friends and just like just schmooze
• 1:12:27
  without anything in our way. And these mics are such a good
• 1:12:31
  decoy of like just being able to.
• 1:12:33
  I don't on Shabbos, my phone is off and I don't struggle with my
• 1:12:36
  phone on Shabbos. But like, other than that, I am
• 1:12:38
  totally addicted to my phone. I, I'm, I was, I was up for 19
• 1:12:42
  hours yesterday. Let's say I was on my phone for
• 1:12:44
  18 1/2 hours, like for sure. And there's something very nice
• 1:12:48
  about just being here and connecting and the moment
• 1:12:52
  talking to you guys and figuring out and finding out about your.
• 1:12:54
  Podcast look at your phone once you haven't even.
• 1:12:56
  Put it down over there. Amazing.
• 1:12:58
  Yako, I'm curious, what do you say about this?
• 1:13:00
  So he wants more of the entertainment.
• 1:13:02
  I'm looking for more of the growth.
• 1:13:03
  How do we marry this? Is when you guys split up and
• 1:13:05
  you both not gonna I I think. Let's talk about that.
• 1:13:09
  Let's talk about it. This conversation was coming.
• 1:13:11
  I. Think you would burn out?
• 1:13:12
  You would burn out If you guys like actually split up, I think
• 1:13:15
  you'd burn out faster than him. I think he genuinely likes it
• 1:13:20
  more and you kind of like want to have the fun more than the
• 1:13:23
  actual podcasting. So I don't have longevity in
• 1:13:25
  this game. You're.
• 1:13:26
  Saying I don't think so. If I had a bet, I'd bet more on
• 1:13:28
  him. But I don't think you guys
• 1:13:30
  should split up. And I think there's it's like, I
• 1:13:33
  think you should bring on some guests you want and you should
• 1:13:35
  bring on some guests you want. And then you're not going to
• 1:13:37
  like this. You should kind of figure out
• 1:13:40
  from the audience what they want.
• 1:13:42
  But there, there is a discovery point where it's like kind of.
• 1:13:45
  A little bit of both there, I think.
• 1:13:47
  So yeah, see what the what we've actually had.
• 1:13:48
  Still knew, I mean, I know you're 60 right, 60 N, but it
• 1:13:52
  that's still new, like you're still like you're audience.
• 1:13:54
  For knowing that. But I saw it, I did my question.
• 1:13:57
  You know, we've done a couple of solo stuff where he's
• 1:13:59
  interviewed a couple. We did one solo episode each.
• 1:14:02
  Who? OK.
• 1:14:03
  I interviewed somebody separately, OK, friends, and I
• 1:14:06
  chose someone else. And also when I'm in Israel I'm
• 1:14:08
  gonna be solo, so I'm gonna do stuff myself.
• 1:14:10
  I don't have a choice OK of guest, Co host or whatever.
• 1:14:12
  I could zoom in. We've never done the zoom thing,
• 1:14:15
  by the way. I know I find that.
• 1:14:17
  About this for the first time together so it's OK.
• 1:14:19
  It's OK, that's. Why we're doing that?
• 1:14:20
  How we snap. That intervention?
• 1:14:22
  Then it's gonna tell me later what I mean.
• 1:14:23
  We, we talked about it. You don't.
• 1:14:25
  Remember, you remember, you're out of the business.
• 1:14:26
  Like exactly We talk about it. He's gonna.
• 1:14:28
  Have a new podcast called Out of the Business.
• 1:14:32
  Yeah, yeah, it. Was my business or something
• 1:14:34
  like? That yeah, it was.
• 1:14:35
  My business, yeah, we started in the.
• 1:14:37
  I'm hiring by any chance? Yeah.
• 1:14:39
  We started. Looking for someone?
• 1:14:40
  Yeah, yeah. Let's start off.
• 1:14:43
  We did start off with you saying, you know, can you ask
• 1:14:45
  questions? Do you have any questions?
• 1:14:47
  For us, what's your least favorite part about podcasting?
• 1:14:50
  Each of you and yeah. Oh.
• 1:14:52
  My God I have like 5 things. One thing, one thing, one thing.
• 1:14:55
  Oh. My God you're almost like
• 1:14:56
  triggering things for me right now.
• 1:14:57
  Like. One thing.
• 1:14:58
  What is this? No, no, there's a lot.
• 1:14:59
  Of things I hate, there's a lot of joy stuff that I hate.
• 1:15:02
  But but like which part of the process do you not enjoy that?
• 1:15:05
  I'm going to say the one thing for me because I don't have 5
• 1:15:07
  things. It's the lights, the cameras and
• 1:15:09
  the technicals and not the no, it's it's talking in front of a
• 1:15:12
  camera. Oh, I have a difficult time.
• 1:15:14
  I know you guys like thrive on like some cameras.
• 1:15:16
  I don't, but it's OK. And the reason why it's OK for
• 1:15:19
  me is because I learned to listen more so.
• 1:15:21
  I, I have a a technical solution.
• 1:15:23
  There's dire of CEO. He has, I don't know the name of
• 1:15:25
  it, a boom mic, but basically the mic's above him.
• 1:15:28
  Yeah, that doesn't matter. I know the camera's on me.
• 1:15:30
  That's yeah. But you do feel less.
• 1:15:33
  I personally don't. I have that that's.
• 1:15:34
  My channel of the camera. So what's your?
• 1:15:37
  What's your? I know what.
• 1:15:39
  Yours is. It's me.
• 1:15:42
  Well, some of your stuff, one of the good things, but I would say
• 1:15:44
  bad things. Stefan, you're giving us up too
• 1:15:47
  little credit. Here's one thing I hate.
• 1:15:50
  I hate when I have to sit there for two hours and listen to
• 1:15:52
  somebody that I just you. Don't find interesting.
• 1:15:54
  Yeah, sorry. Yeah, sorry about it, not.
• 1:15:55
  A hard time faking things. I don't know.
• 1:15:57
  If you notice, I wear my emotions on my sleeve, right?
• 1:15:59
  I'm pretty straightforward and blunt and I have a hard time
• 1:16:02
  acting. So if somebody is like just
• 1:16:04
  boring me and it's like it's just not going anywhere and I
• 1:16:07
  gotta sit through it because I gotta be polite.
• 1:16:09
  Interesting you. Know I gotta be polite and I
• 1:16:10
  gotta do the do the job. I hate that.
• 1:16:12
  Well, in a good way. You don't actually sit through,
• 1:16:14
  you always change the topic or you'll jump out the next thing,
• 1:16:16
  which is OK. Yeah, I guess.
• 1:16:18
  How often does that happen? More often or less often.
• 1:16:20
  Not that often. It didn't happen that that
• 1:16:22
  often. We only had 60 guests at this
• 1:16:23
  point. I would say probably four or
• 1:16:25
  five times. OK, at least it happened at
• 1:16:26
  least four or five times. Manage 5-10 minutes into the
• 1:16:29
  podcast, there's like bored. I'm ready to think to myself, oh
• 1:16:31
  God, this is going to be a long two hours.
• 1:16:33
  You know what's great about those?
• 1:16:34
  But I have to say, those are the ones that performed the best.
• 1:16:37
  Oh, really? Continue his opinion.
• 1:16:40
  I don't agree I. Don't.
• 1:16:43
  Understand threw that out there like factual like that's all he
• 1:16:47
  has to do. So I hate that.
• 1:16:49
  I also don't love, I don't love the notoriety that that it comes
• 1:16:54
  along. Oh, you don't like it?
• 1:16:55
  No, I don't love that part. I don't I I like that it's there
• 1:16:59
  and it's out there and I'm happy to do it, but I don't need to
• 1:17:02
  hear everybody's like opinion. Right.
• 1:17:04
  Yeah, people have a lot of opinions, right.
• 1:17:06
  By the way, I always feel the people who give the most
• 1:17:08
  feedback and critiques and opinions are the people that
• 1:17:11
  don't actually watch or listen. It's the people that like, saw
• 1:17:14
  the title, saw clip, they have, and then they say everything.
• 1:17:16
  I'm like, did you actually listen?
• 1:17:17
  No, they didn't. I only listen to one person.
• 1:17:20
  Sure. Nissan Tepper.
• 1:17:21
  I gotta give him a shout. Oh I love Nissan Tepper.
• 1:17:23
  He is, You know, Nissan. I know Nissan Tepper.
• 1:17:25
  You're kidding me. Yeah, OK.
• 1:17:27
  When's the last time you spoke to him?
• 1:17:29
  I'm on a chat with him, he's today he spoke on the chat.
• 1:17:31
  Our parents go to the same bungalow colony, White House
• 1:17:34
  Estates. OK, so.
• 1:17:35
  Our parents are. Best friends, his his father,
• 1:17:38
  his parents come. They come to him a little.
• 1:17:40
  Bit yeah, yeah, Muncie. I've seen him by my stroll a few
• 1:17:42
  times, a pretty cool guy, but he's a big fan.
• 1:17:45
  He watches every episode and I appreciate his feedback.
• 1:17:48
  You know why? Because I know that he is giving
• 1:17:51
  intelligent feedback. He's actually heard the entire
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  thing. He had all the context from the
• 1:17:54
  beginning to the end, and that's the kind of feedback that's
• 1:17:57
  genuine. It's it's impactful, it means
• 1:18:00
  something. So I appreciate that.
• 1:18:02
  But you're right, I hate the ones that clearly have sound
• 1:18:05
  bites. That they do.
• 1:18:06
  And they're making a comment and also they're just trying to hate
• 1:18:09
  because like, they're the type of people they like to tear
• 1:18:11
  other people down. I yeah, I hate those people.
• 1:18:13
  I I hate those people. I realize that that concept
• 1:18:15
  exists when I don't remember what I think it was like 2, two
• 1:18:20
  years ago, I interviewed Eric Adams and for me, it was like,
• 1:18:23
  Oh my gosh, the mayor, the mayor, I had him on the podcast
• 1:18:26
  and I'm like, holy cow, this is gonna be one of the best
• 1:18:28
  performing episodes. It was not.
• 1:18:30
  It was one of the lowest performing episodes, but the
• 1:18:32
  Hock it created, it was crazy Hock because Oh my gosh, yes.
• 1:18:36
  And I realized very quickly from there that the hackers that
• 1:18:41
  don't actually listen to it, they were all Hocking about and
• 1:18:44
  sharing photo. But the actual podcast, no, like
• 1:18:46
  not no one people listened, but like it was so much lower.
• 1:18:49
  And I'm like, OK, there's the hackers and then there's the
• 1:18:52
  actual listener. So don't pay too much attention
• 1:18:55
  to the hackers. There's the guys who like seeing
• 1:18:57
  the news on WhatsApp and this and like they don't actually
• 1:19:00
  listen to the. Box you hear that distinction
• 1:19:02
  the hackers and the listeners yes right.
• 1:19:05
  So I like the way you clarified that.
• 1:19:07
  So I like the listeners. Yes, I don't like.
• 1:19:09
  I dislike like no one. Likes the Hockers.
• 1:19:11
  Yeah. Exactly.
• 1:19:12
  They always have critiques and and they're critics.
• 1:19:14
  That eight or she or you had more.
• 1:19:15
  Michael, you know what's gonna happen when we split up?
• 1:19:17
  We're gonna have a very big disagreement about who gets to
• 1:19:20
  keep Stefan. I'm just Stefan's gonna be the
• 1:19:22
  child that the two parents are gonna fight over who gets
• 1:19:25
  covered up to the overstep. I'm gonna get 2 hanukkahs.
• 1:19:27
  I want he's. Old enough, I think.
• 1:19:28
  Hell, he's old enough to choose. You know, he's like, OK, you
• 1:19:31
  every second child is Michael. You could have her.
• 1:19:33
  Before we wrap up, Yakov, we always ask people who you think
• 1:19:36
  would be a great guest on the podcast and we'd love for you to
• 1:19:39
  pick 1. So kind of like.
• 1:19:40
  Base my answer based on like what your audience would like.
• 1:19:46
  I mean, he's been around about Shlaimi Zions.
• 1:19:49
  All right, so we're calling Shlaimi Zions and we're going to
• 1:19:51
  we're going to get him on the podcast.
• 1:19:56
  I'm curious if I would appreciate what I'm doing to
• 1:19:57
  him. Yeah, you never know.
• 1:20:02
  And his defense? It is 11:00 PM at night.
• 1:20:05
  Not so terrible. And that's when he's starting
• 1:20:07
  his journey. He's recording his trip to the
• 1:20:09
  Kotel or something. Well, if he's not answering,
• 1:20:12
  he's probably in the middle of creating content somewhere.
• 1:20:15
  That was a quick call. I feel bad.
• 1:20:16
  Because every minute I'm out there, I'm like Michaels
• 1:20:19
  trialing this new model. No, no, we're we're talking
• 1:20:23
  about he had to ask. He asked a good question about
• 1:20:25
  like really you, you guys hit the goals that you're trying to
• 1:20:28
  hit and now you have the ability to really morph this into more
• 1:20:33
  exciting or more different kind of show and just how to really
• 1:20:37
  hit that. I'm gaining from being on here
• 1:20:40
  and you're gaining from me being on here like there's a.
• 1:20:42
  Yeah, yeah. I mean, if you don't pump up our
• 1:20:44
  viewership by like at least 10 times, I don't think that.
• 1:20:46
  Interesting. I hate the breaking.
• 1:20:48
  You're disappointed? Yeah.
• 1:20:49
  Sorry. You're going.
• 1:20:49
  To be people who are on your team.
• 1:20:50
  How many people in the entire organization of Living with
• 1:20:53
  Time? Yeah, I would say about 8:00,
• 1:20:57
  but only one person is full time and I and I like that.
• 1:21:00
  I like that Where not necessarily awful like we're all
• 1:21:05
  doing other things also. Everybody has day jobs as well.
• 1:21:08
  Basically, basically, yeah, yeah.
• 1:21:10
  I mean, many of us, it's, it's our full time, but like we also
• 1:21:14
  have other things. Would you be willing to share
• 1:21:15
  like what your budget is on a yearly basis?
• 1:21:17
  Yeah, I'm totally happy to. When you get my brother, you
• 1:21:21
  could ask him. I don't know the answer to that.
• 1:21:22
  You know you're not involved whatsoever.
• 1:21:24
  If we can get his brother on and he's saying his brother is very
• 1:21:26
  reluctant to coming on podcasts in general, yeah.
• 1:21:29
  I mean, he's reluctant to like. He likes him.
• 1:21:31
  He you've mentioned him a few. Episodes from him.
• 1:21:34
  Money. Yeah, and I'm like people get
• 1:21:37
  like weird about it. Like I'm like, oh, like podcasts
• 1:21:39
  come up, like I like your brothers show more.
• 1:21:42
  I'm like, first of all, it's my brother is a host of it.
• 1:21:44
  But like it's your program. It's more him because I'm not
• 1:21:47
  doing it, but like it's my grandchild.
• 1:21:49
  It's not like sure. Thank you.
• 1:21:50
  Like if you like any of the living Leheim shows more than
• 1:21:53
  inspiration, totally fine. I'm just more shallow.
• 1:21:56
  So no, no, I appreciate more about the business of.
• 1:21:59
  Him interviewing A billionaire people, that's interesting.
• 1:22:01
  Advice that they're giving, I appreciate that, so that's why
• 1:22:04
  I. Nobody TuneIn, but that's that's
• 1:22:06
  exactly like I like that like I like that different like we're
• 1:22:09
  creating different shows for different kinds of.
• 1:22:10
  People, something for everyone. Yeah, literally, literally that.
• 1:22:13
  Yeah. But yeah, he would know.
• 1:22:15
  But I don't know. In your life, ever since you got
• 1:22:17
  very not popular, very popular, I mean, you'd be hard pressed to
• 1:22:21
  find somebody that you talk to in the Jewish communities
• 1:22:25
  anywhere. Like on a person it's.
• 1:22:26
  Funny who you are. You always hear this from, like,
• 1:22:28
  rich people or like, Hollywood celebrities.
• 1:22:30
  Like, once you get a certain point, like, it doesn't mean
• 1:22:33
  anything. Like, I'm from the famous side
• 1:22:36
  of it. Like, it doesn't mean anything.
• 1:22:37
  Like, my personal life is exactly the same.
• 1:22:40
  Yeah, Here and there. I'll go out to eat, and then,
• 1:22:42
  you know, someone will stop me and stuff like that.
• 1:22:44
  And I feel good for a second. But like nothing actually
• 1:22:46
  changes. Your wife hate it, is she?
• 1:22:47
  She's a. Lot more proud when it happens.
• 1:22:51
  She kind of like makes fun of me for it.
• 1:22:52
  I think, yeah, she's like way the opposite personality.
• 1:22:55
  She doesn't want to be bothered. She doesn't want like I bring
• 1:22:57
  her on sometimes she's a Co host sometimes, yeah, sometimes it's
• 1:23:01
  like it's like it's going to be like too intimate like me and
• 1:23:04
  like a woman like a like like sneeze wise, like it makes
• 1:23:07
  sense. And also she bring like and I
• 1:23:08
  have like she's a food scientist.
• 1:23:09
  So like if it's food related, like kosher cooks and stuff like
• 1:23:13
  that, she brings it to a certain flair that I just don't know
• 1:23:17
  food well. But I think like like mentality,
• 1:23:22
  like I have a different wardrobe now, like that's practically
• 1:23:25
  different do. You feel like you have to be
• 1:23:27
  more adept with your looks, like, you know, making sure your
• 1:23:30
  your hair is made and making sure your your beard is looking
• 1:23:33
  good. No.
• 1:23:34
  Do you care more about your parents?
• 1:23:36
  No, I'm. The same, I think I'm the same.
• 1:23:37
  I think I'm the same. I just happened to get.
• 1:23:40
  It's like we again. It's surreal.
• 1:23:41
  Like I don't view myself as a probably AC list celebrity.
• 1:23:46
  Like I don't view myself like that, but but I guess I am and
• 1:23:50
  and like yeah, it surprised me every time I so.
• 1:23:52
  What's the nicest perk other than Twillery that came with
• 1:23:55
  everything that you're doing from a purely materialistic
• 1:23:58
  standpoint? I I, I think I've gained more
• 1:24:03
  respect from people that don't know me.
• 1:24:07
  Be more credibility. I think more credibility, yeah,
• 1:24:09
  yeah. And, and, and, and sense if I'm
• 1:24:11
  like the rabbinic world, like I, I, I know there's some rebuttim
• 1:24:14
  that like, I don't, I don't know, like I know of them and I
• 1:24:17
  guess they know of me. But like my conversation with
• 1:24:19
  them I think is very different had I not been where it is.
• 1:24:22
  But not just rebuttim, just like in business and just in general,
• 1:24:26
  I guess so. But like practically, does that
• 1:24:28
  mean anything? Just makes me feel good But I
• 1:24:30
  don't I don't think it's now it could close more deals and think
• 1:24:33
  like I I don't. You technically could, I guess.
• 1:24:36
  So but. Were were you invited to like
• 1:24:38
  any pay sock programs yet? Yeah, this past year, well, it
• 1:24:42
  was like kind of like a well, I OK, so I got invited to like two
• 1:24:45
  or three programs, but the trade off was that they were going to
• 1:24:49
  pay me. There was one in like Dubai,
• 1:24:50
  which is like Dubai, but I'm like, OK, I will get a free pay
• 1:24:53
  sock in Dubai with my wife and two kids.
• 1:24:56
  Amazing, amazing. But I like going to my parents
• 1:25:00
  and my in laws right? And I don't pay anything when I
• 1:25:04
  go there and I'm 33 years old. They should live until 120.
• 1:25:07
  How many more pay socks will I have it than my parents and in
• 1:25:10
  laws are making like I actually. I don't know but one less pay
• 1:25:12
  sock with your parents for Dubai.
• 1:25:14
  I like it. I like it.
• 1:25:15
  I'm not with my parents so often and like and I'd rather go to
• 1:25:18
  Dubai on like a speaking kind of gig kind of thing for free like
• 1:25:21
  that I would do, but like for pay sock and then I also have to
• 1:25:24
  like do pot like I have to work like, you know, it's not.
• 1:25:27
  So this past year my in laws went up program and I went for
• 1:25:31
  free and they were going anyway so I I did that.
• 1:25:34
  Interesting. But how about like the Haas
• 1:25:36
  concert You get like, you know. Free tickets to that whatever
• 1:25:39
  our big event. Yeah.
• 1:25:41
  So the answer is every concert I get Ishai Rebo's team, like
• 1:25:44
  always hitting me up at first like I did 1 barter with them
• 1:25:48
  because someone on our team, Yoni Schwartz loves music.
• 1:25:50
  I'm like Yoni, go have fun front row tickets.
• 1:25:53
  I don't I hate these kind again, Ishai Rebo's a great singer.
• 1:25:56
  All singers are great. I don't like music in public.
• 1:26:00
  I don't know, maybe I'm weird. So for me, I always turn it down
• 1:26:03
  and and I always tell them, like, if you want us to, you
• 1:26:07
  know, do an ad for you, happy to, but like barter, like it's
• 1:26:10
  so it's not worth it. Like our ads cost more than the
• 1:26:13
  ticket. Like it doesn't make sense.
• 1:26:15
  So yeah, I got offers for that, but it's not like Twillery kind
• 1:26:18
  of thing. Again, they pay, but like
• 1:26:20
  getting their free stuff. I actually want their again.
• 1:26:22
  I'm plugging Twillery so much. I whatever.
• 1:26:24
  I love you too. It's OK, we wanna get more code,
• 1:26:26
  so we're. Gonna use your code we're.
• 1:26:28
  Editing this out this. Is a way too no.
• 1:26:30
  But like. We need a code by the way
• 1:26:31
  machine. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:26:33
  Yeah, those things getting out of hand.
• 1:26:34
  I didn't even get any stuff yet. I'm just saying my.
• 1:26:37
  Word from other sponsor I should plug bit B more and Cole Chabad
• 1:26:40
  more Who? Are they wills to lease?
• 1:26:42
  Wills to lease. Wills to lease.
• 1:26:43
  Yeah, the Hersh cups look real. Yeah, they've been ready for a.
• 1:26:46
  Long time, over 35 years. Wow.
• 1:26:48
  And there's a reason because they have integrity.
• 1:26:50
  I'm sorry if it's like they're great.
• 1:26:53
  They are. Great people.
• 1:26:53
  I know they're hurt folks personally.
• 1:26:55
  And I, and this is, this is a image, I don't know if you guys
• 1:26:58
  going to get more sponsors or whatever, but like I have a hard
• 1:27:01
  rule. I don't do advertising if I
• 1:27:04
  don't believe in the products or the people are bad people like
• 1:27:08
  I, and I've turned down like good money.
• 1:27:11
  Interesting. Yeah, if I'm selling.
• 1:27:12
  We share those sentences, No, If I'm, I think right now we're not
• 1:27:14
  a position, no. It's the same thing.
• 1:27:16
  If you, if somebody's paying, you know, I'm asking how much if
• 1:27:19
  you're, what is your mission? I care about my audience and
• 1:27:22
  like I'm not going to sell a product or service that I think
• 1:27:25
  is bad or or sell it with people I say like wheels, at least
• 1:27:29
  they're really good to deal with.
• 1:27:30
  I'm not going to sell another car and there's a lot of good
• 1:27:32
  car leasing places out there, but I wouldn't sell a car
• 1:27:34
  leasing place that's giving me money that they're just terrible
• 1:27:37
  to deal with like that. It doesn't do good for my name
• 1:27:39
  I. Think you're making a mistake?
• 1:27:40
  Yeah, maybe. I think you need to rethink
• 1:27:42
  this. Sorry, but I agree with you.
• 1:27:43
  And you happen to have liked Twillery.
• 1:27:45
  We had you. You loved Twillery, right?
• 1:27:47
  So it's something that you enjoyed?
• 1:27:48
  Twillery product before before I even knew this yes, I didn't
• 1:27:51
  even know they were a Jewish based company.
• 1:27:53
  I know, I just saw them on We Were.
• 1:27:54
  We were on quotient. Bodies like we were the.
• 1:27:56
  First like Jewish like, like entering the market, yeah, for
• 1:28:00
  them and. They're doing a great job.
• 1:28:02
  They're actual in our we're not doing this, OK.
• 1:28:04
  Absolutely that. They gotta pay you guys more
• 1:28:07
  you. Don't understand.
• 1:28:07
  I'm like plugging them because I genuinely like them.
• 1:28:09
  I'm like torn. It's like a real problem.
• 1:28:11
  It's like you. Should keep this in and you
• 1:28:14
  should reach out to them and be like by the way, we got.
• 1:28:17
  Well, Ellie, Malik and I have an understanding we're doing this
• 1:28:19
  for, for a little while and we'll see how it goes.
• 1:28:21
  And I, I have a real good feeling that it's going to blow
• 1:28:23
  up in terms of our listeners at least.
• 1:28:26
  Sure, Oshi, we need to come up with a word.
• 1:28:28
  Word for the code for our promo code.
• 1:28:30
  Listeners to Go as a promo code, is this for me?
• 1:28:32
  They're going to get a discount, yes, and you'll get one in the
• 1:28:35
  mail, too. And you know, we'd love to have
• 1:28:37
  a selfie with that. What would that word be?
• 1:28:40
  We need one word that defines for our customers, for our
• 1:28:43
  listeners. You know, so they can track our
• 1:28:44
  customers. Going to be annoyed but like we
• 1:28:46
  always do. It's not a word that you can
• 1:28:48
  remember. It's easy and not easy to write,
• 1:28:50
  you know? So we got to come up with a word
• 1:28:51
  I don't know. All right?
• 1:28:52
  Not for you. OK.
• 1:28:53
  Ask your marketing team what day.
• 1:28:55
  What sign are you? Oh, sign.
• 1:28:57
  Yeah. Yeah, I'm actually having in
• 1:28:59
  October the person who does. Who are you talking about?
• 1:29:02
  The guy with the book I'm having him on.
• 1:29:04
  Who's this? I forgot his name.
• 1:29:09
  Yeah, something like that. He's came out.
• 1:29:10
  He came out with a book recently about astrology.
• 1:29:14
  I happen to be very into astrology, not from like the non
• 1:29:18
  Jewish world, like from the from kite world of like Hashem
• 1:29:21
  bringing avrim out out of astrology and showing that you
• 1:29:24
  didn't are above astrology, whatever.
• 1:29:27
  I'm into that kind of stuff. So I'm personally very excited
• 1:29:30
  for the episode. But I think you guys will like
• 1:29:32
  this. I don't know if the listeners
• 1:29:33
  like this. In July I was working on my
• 1:29:35
  touch about film. I recorded enough episodes to
• 1:29:39
  last me through Suckas through October.
• 1:29:43
  Good for you. Isn't that crazy?
• 1:29:44
  That's so. That's smart.
• 1:29:46
  What a luxury. You guys could do it.
• 1:29:48
  No, we're so we're struggling. We're always like a week or two
• 1:29:51
  behind. How?
• 1:29:52
  Often do you put out. It's terrible.
• 1:29:54
  We put out every. Week.
• 1:29:54
  Every week. Yeah, that's hard.
• 1:29:56
  Yeah, it's very difficult, especially I.
• 1:29:57
  Do. But I've been doing it for five
• 1:29:58
  years, so it's gotten easier. Our full time job is legit a
• 1:30:01
  real full time job. It's it's difficult meaning.
• 1:30:04
  No. No, no.
• 1:30:04
  What I mean? No, no.
• 1:30:06
  No, no, we really, really do this full time.
• 1:30:09
  I mean like this is pretty much. How often do you record Do a
• 1:30:12
  quarter? Once a week.
• 1:30:12
  Once, once or maybe twice a week.
• 1:30:14
  Like, we're gonna try to do 2 this week and you know, yeah,
• 1:30:17
  but. I had that something like this
• 1:30:18
  week and last week I. Also, Michael is a avid
• 1:30:22
  traveler. Oh yeah, he likes to be every.
• 1:30:24
  Travel a lot for business. Office business personal and I
• 1:30:27
  love Israel I'm I'm. Right.
• 1:30:29
  You don't know where he is at any given time.
• 1:30:31
  That makes it hard. So we have to also fit it around
• 1:30:33
  that schedule. Right.
• 1:30:34
  And then you have to fit around the So what I do, and this is
• 1:30:36
  advice, but for anyone who listening won't start a podcast.
• 1:30:40
  I also like, let's say I have someone and they live in Israel
• 1:30:44
  and I could do it through Zoom, but let's say I want to do it in
• 1:30:47
  person. I tell them, I say I don't know
• 1:30:49
  that are you coming to America in the next year?
• 1:30:51
  Yeah. OK.
• 1:30:52
  So in I have things booked for November, December, January, and
• 1:30:56
  that's OK. But if you do that enough, then
• 1:30:59
  your bookings will like start to catch up and you'll start to
• 1:31:02
  have it once a week. I don't know.
• 1:31:04
  That's a good idea. Prep it in advance so that the
• 1:31:06
  schedule. It's not, it's not bad when
• 1:31:07
  someone says, oh, they're not available now or this.
• 1:31:10
  OK, great. Like for me, like what I did,
• 1:31:12
  like I told you guys, I'm going to be upstate in the summer and
• 1:31:14
  I'll be near Muncie. So let's let's wait, you know?
• 1:31:17
  You upstate for the summer? I'm upstate, yeah.
• 1:31:19
  Oh, nice. Yeah, very nice.
• 1:31:20
  So here's the time where you give us critique.
• 1:31:23
  This is the time where, as an experienced podcaster doing this
• 1:31:26
  for a long time, a highly successful one.
• 1:31:28
  Now that you've gotten a little taste of the two of us, what are
• 1:31:31
  the good, the bad? The ugly OK, I'm going to give
• 1:31:33
  one critique that you guys aren't going to like and we kind
• 1:31:35
  of like was talking about it before.
• 1:31:37
  I really don't like it. The name of your podcast, I
• 1:31:40
  think is I. It's very cute, but for what
• 1:31:43
  you're morphed into, I don't think it's it's doing you any
• 1:31:47
  good. OK, alternate suggestions What?
• 1:31:50
  Like what type of a suggestion would you?
• 1:31:52
  I don't know that I don't know. I like what she's question if
• 1:31:56
  you had to come up with a name like.
• 1:31:58
  You wrote some try like I the way I would do it is think of
• 1:32:02
  the word growth and then go to ChatGPT and then like kind of
• 1:32:05
  explain it and kind of have a conversation with ChatGPT.
• 1:32:08
  How about kosher? Funny, no?
• 1:32:11
  No, I'm vetoing that immediately.
• 1:32:13
  And also, Steph, you can get more suggestions for the next 15
• 1:32:16
  minutes like we're losing subscribers as we speak.
• 1:32:18
  OK. So that was 1 critique, yes?
• 1:32:21
  Because I I I think you you will attract more if it feels more in
• 1:32:25
  vibe of it. What do you think the vibe is of
• 1:32:28
  our podcast? I think it's very loose getting
• 1:32:32
  to the bottom of things. It's diverse.
• 1:32:35
  Very, very diverse. More diverse than mine.
• 1:32:42
  I think I gave enough explanations.
• 1:32:44
  I don't know if you knew. OK, great.
• 1:32:45
  No, we're. Listening like our eyes are
• 1:32:47
  popping out. I think I think you're very
• 1:32:48
  diverse to get to the bottom of things.
• 1:32:49
  It's also again, I, I just know my my episode.
• 1:32:52
  It's, it was fun, but there was, there was like purpose to it,
• 1:32:55
  like, I don't know, it's like a nice mixture, yeah.
• 1:32:59
  Listen my take away from you and from this podcast and the
• 1:33:02
  growth. And by the way, that's the only
• 1:33:03
  reason why he asked you is because he wanted his turn to
• 1:33:05
  tell you. No, I'm not at all.
• 1:33:08
  He's saying where this podcast is going like, you know, growth
• 1:33:11
  is basically the word that he chose that he just make a play
• 1:33:15
  on the word growth and figure out, you know, a fancy name for
• 1:33:18
  it or create, I thought. You were going to give him
• 1:33:20
  critique? What I'm saying is the growth
• 1:33:21
  that I'm getting out of this podcast is somebody in your
• 1:33:26
  stature, somebody in your position.
• 1:33:28
  You can do a lot of things with what you have going on right
• 1:33:30
  now. You could find a lot of ways to
• 1:33:31
  monetize. You don't need to be a
• 1:33:33
  businessman. I know you said earlier, I'm not
• 1:33:34
  a businessman. I let my brother to finances.
• 1:33:36
  Once you have a million plus followers, the world is open to
• 1:33:40
  you. There's a lot of choices, and
• 1:33:41
  what I'm seeing is that you're choosing to do more positivity
• 1:33:44
  with it, things that are beneficial to people in our
• 1:33:46
  community for the Jewish nation. Wow, wow.
• 1:33:50
  Good for you. It's selfish by the way.
• 1:33:51
  I enjoy it. I I by product is people are
• 1:33:55
  gaining from it, but like I like it.
• 1:33:56
  That's not selfish. It's fine.
• 1:33:58
  It's it's. I think it is, but it's not a
• 1:33:59
  bad thing to be selfish. About, you know, we could say it
• 1:34:02
  that way, but that's what I'm, that's my growth.
• 1:34:04
  I'm learning from you is when you have something you know with
• 1:34:07
  great power comes great responsibility.
• 1:34:10
  Uncle Ben and Spider Man. Yeah, Mr. Spider Man himself.
• 1:34:12
  Yeah. It was Uncle Ben, actually.
• 1:34:14
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:34:14
  His brother, his uncle said that.
• 1:34:15
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:34:15
  Yes. Yes.
• 1:34:16
  See Superheroes. Very good buddy, he knows his.
• 1:34:18
  I like superheroes. Yeah, Who's your favorite
• 1:34:20
  superhero? Probably Batman.
• 1:34:22
  Oh, it's got to be Batman. How could it not be?
• 1:34:24
  Bad. I like spider man also.
• 1:34:26
  Spider Man's a little lame, though.
• 1:34:28
  He's nerdy. Yeah, his suit's way too tight.
• 1:34:30
  His suit is very tight. All the suits are too tight.
• 1:34:33
  Yeah, but no. But Batman is is the he's not a
• 1:34:35
  real superhero with real powers yet he gets it done right.
• 1:34:39
  So he's. Like he's also like, I don't
• 1:34:41
  know how it works, a millionaire billionaire.
• 1:34:43
  You know, he's a Philan orphan, though.
• 1:34:44
  He's. A vigilante Yeah, You know, he's
• 1:34:46
  he's a lot of things he's very cool Batman was always my
• 1:34:49
  favorite He's always my favorite yeah.
• 1:34:51
  And I think the The Dark Knight movie, The first one was one of
• 1:34:54
  the best my. Favorite superhero?
• 1:34:55
  Film. One of the greatest movies.
• 1:34:57
  I think it was an excellent movie.
• 1:34:59
  Christopher Nolan, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:35:01
  So movie buff. I like it.
• 1:35:03
  Superheroes. I like superheroes.
• 1:35:04
  OK, see things like this. You can't talk about this stuff
• 1:35:06
  on your part, no. Way we just did.
• 1:35:08
  No way people. I would like people to have.
• 1:35:10
  Vodkas and I can't talk about this because I have other likes.
• 1:35:13
  I'm not just going to shul every day, I hear, which I don't do.
• 1:35:16
  Which, by the way, on your podcast, it could fit, but for
• 1:35:18
  mine, it's like, it's Elaine, right?
• 1:35:20
  I always say like if, if, if for whatever reason, Kim Kardashian
• 1:35:24
  wanted to be on inspiration for the nation and she's done some
• 1:35:27
  big stuff in her life. You're.
• 1:35:28
  Not saying no to that. I am 100% saying no.
• 1:35:31
  I'm not letting you. Dude, I'm we're walking.
• 1:35:33
  Around with a protesting sign in front of you.
• 1:35:35
  No, I'm telling you. Free.
• 1:35:37
  Free Kim Kardashian. No, I'm just let.
• 1:35:40
  Kim Kardashian, come on to the poor.
• 1:35:42
  Audience. It doesn't.
• 1:35:43
  Just about you, Yakov. It's about no.
• 1:35:45
  It's not about me. I I personally would do it.
• 1:35:48
  Why not? It's but my I'm listening.
• 1:35:50
  To my audience. My audience would would, would
• 1:35:52
  they? They would never listen again.
• 1:35:54
  They would understand. But she know they would your.
• 1:35:55
  Audience would they? Would now he said the same thing
• 1:35:57
  to us. Remember, you can get any guest
• 1:36:00
  you want. I can't.
• 1:36:01
  Well, not coming on, so I'm not, I don't.
• 1:36:04
  Think you could get anyone you want either.
• 1:36:06
  You just don't know your audience yet.
• 1:36:08
  That's what I think. Like there is Elaine, and I know
• 1:36:11
  you don't want to be in Elaine, but you have to.
• 1:36:13
  You have to. I'm a free bird.
• 1:36:15
  I cannot You're. Fine, you could, but you'll turn
• 1:36:18
  into my friend Yitzy Ingber who had a law podcast and then it
• 1:36:22
  became like improv and comedy podcast and he every day is
• 1:36:26
  like, tell him he's like, how do I grow?
• 1:36:27
  I'm like, I will tell you, I will help you become the biggest
• 1:36:30
  law podcast. I, I, I know enough at this
• 1:36:32
  point to help you do it. And he just didn't listen to me
• 1:36:34
  because he didn't want to stay in his lane.
• 1:36:36
  And that's fine. And if you don't want to stay in
• 1:36:37
  your lane, that's fine. But if you want to get 30,000
• 1:36:40
  people listening every week. Do I though?
• 1:36:43
  If you do. What's the what he wants that?
• 1:36:45
  I know he wants that, but what what's what is?
• 1:36:47
  I just want growth. What is it going to do if it's a
• 1:36:50
  million people that are subscribed and are actively
• 1:36:53
  listening? I don't know.
• 1:36:54
  And I'm not having a good time and I'm not enjoying you're.
• 1:36:57
  Right if you're if. You're not going to.
• 1:36:58
  I'm not going to appreciate it. I understand that if you're
• 1:37:00
  saying I just want to have a good time and you don't
• 1:37:03
  necessarily care about the growth, then 100% like you got
• 1:37:06
  to choose the guests you want. But you both have different
• 1:37:08
  goals and that could get complicated.
• 1:37:10
  It's a little dicey, right? It's OK, but I think you guys
• 1:37:13
  are having fun doing it the way you're doing.
• 1:37:15
  It now I love Michael, I love Michael and I hate Michael at
• 1:37:17
  the same time we we have those that's.
• 1:37:19
  Healthy. You guys respect each other a
• 1:37:21
  lot, which is which is amazing to see.
• 1:37:23
  It's very nice. See, I'm sure in businesses like
• 1:37:25
  that and I could see it on the podcast.
• 1:37:27
  I had a party yesterday for a friend of mine.
• 1:37:30
  It was his 40th birthday. Happy birthday.
• 1:37:32
  And it was amazing. And we celebrate it in a very,
• 1:37:34
  very big way. And Michael doesn't know the
• 1:37:37
  birthday boy as well as I do. He knows him a little bit.
• 1:37:40
  But he was there because we did it at his house.
• 1:37:43
  So, you know, he hosted it nice. And he was the life of the
• 1:37:47
  party. And he always is.
• 1:37:48
  And I always tell him, I said it's not the same when when
• 1:37:51
  you're not there. Like I really appreciate that
• 1:37:54
  and brother Michael, thank you. Are you know if I officially
• 1:37:56
  told you? Yeah, This is why we're doing
• 1:37:57
  this right here to. Hosting it, are you?
• 1:37:59
  I'm sitting are you guys like aside for business?
• 1:38:01
  Are you like best friends in real life or no?
• 1:38:03
  No, no, no. We were introduced to each other
• 1:38:05
  through business, but one of his closest friends is a partner in
• 1:38:08
  our business. God is.
• 1:38:09
  That we have a mutual very close friend is.
• 1:38:11
  Was he ever on this? Podcast, we're very close type.
• 1:38:14
  We're not the type, not the type.
• 1:38:15
  I want to be clear, we're very close friends.
• 1:38:17
  Michael and I got, I got it. We're a little bit different
• 1:38:18
  age. Also.
• 1:38:19
  Yes, he has his circle of hands. Could I ask?
• 1:38:21
  You how old each of you are? I mean, you're clearly older.
• 1:38:24
  Yeah, I'm 46. I'm 38.
• 1:38:26
  Got it. OK, Yeah.
• 1:38:27
  Yeah, I mean my older, my oldest kid is in his height, I mean in
• 1:38:32
  his mid 20s. My oldest is 8 years old.
• 1:38:34
  Right. It's a different world.
• 1:38:36
  Different. Yeah, yeah, different,
• 1:38:37
  different. I think after 30 doesn't really
• 1:38:39
  matter how old each person is 100% we're all pretty much in
• 1:38:42
  the same place at that point. And we are, I am going to
• 1:38:44
  question about where are you from originally and where are
• 1:38:46
  you from originally? Yes, I'm from Muncie.
• 1:38:49
  You're from Muncie? Born and bred.
• 1:38:50
  Born in bred. I'm a Muncie snob.
• 1:38:52
  I like it. Spies everywhere else.
• 1:38:54
  I think Muncie's the only place. Where's your wife from?
• 1:38:56
  Brooklyn, Brooklyn. And she actually moved to
• 1:38:59
  Muncie. And she loves when I got.
• 1:39:00
  Married and she hated it in the beginning.
• 1:39:01
  Of course. And now she loves it.
• 1:39:03
  Now she goes back to Brooklyn. She's like, I don't know how it.
• 1:39:05
  Yeah. What was wrong with me?
• 1:39:06
  Yeah, Yeah. Yeah, I would.
• 1:39:07
  You could. You could go from Brooklyn to
• 1:39:08
  Muncie. You can't go from Muncie to
• 1:39:10
  Brooklyn. Nope.
• 1:39:10
  And some people I've met and like, they do it 'cause like
• 1:39:12
  their wife is the the reverse and the relationship and like,
• 1:39:15
  yeah, it's crazy. OK, I bet you were from
• 1:39:17
  Brooklyn, where I. Grew up in my teenage life in
• 1:39:20
  Israel Ocean Parkway and Avenue I that area.
• 1:39:22
  OK, cool. And I miss Brooklyn.
• 1:39:24
  Yeah, I miss Brooklyn in ways. In many ways I I I don't know if
• 1:39:27
  I would want to live there. Natanya Pizza.
• 1:39:29
  Yeah, the best. My hangout.
• 1:39:31
  Someone is supposed to call me the owner.
• 1:39:33
  He's still alive, Barack Hashem, his wife died.
• 1:39:35
  But I'm supposed to have like a FaceTime with him.
• 1:39:37
  What? About amnons.
• 1:39:38
  I liked it, but for me, Natanya was like the place again.
• 1:39:41
  I was very young. You can interview Natanya.
• 1:39:43
  I'll interview amnons. Let's.
• 1:39:44
  See how it goes. Yeah, yeah, no, these.
• 1:39:46
  Oh my gosh, yeah. I I again, it wouldn't fit for
• 1:39:48
  inspiration, but like, he is someone.
• 1:39:50
  Yeah, yeah. I would love to interview him.
• 1:39:51
  I would love to interview him. I don't know how to get it out
• 1:39:53
  there. Go absolute.
• 1:39:56
  Go. Then you have to get like Dave
• 1:39:57
  Portnoy to come on. Dave Portnoy.
• 1:39:59
  Dave Portnoy. See, he's in another example.
• 1:40:01
  He's like in the Casey Neisat field of like, amazing.
• 1:40:04
  I'd love to meet him. I'd love to.
• 1:40:06
  And he's very proud. YID Yeah, but it just wouldn't
• 1:40:08
  fit for my thing. But he'd fit for your show.
• 1:40:11
  Can you help us get him? I have nothing to do with him.
• 1:40:13
  Well, if you reach out though, it means something and and maybe
• 1:40:16
  you can, you know, use us as part of your network.
• 1:40:18
  You know, people like him, I think are both him and the
• 1:40:21
  Casey. Once they're like the push,
• 1:40:22
  push, push, and then they make so much money and they kind of
• 1:40:25
  like I. Got to tell you something crazy.
• 1:40:27
  It's so hard to get them. Just a few days ago, I video
• 1:40:30
  called Kevin O'Leary out of the blue and a friend of mine had
• 1:40:34
  his number and he's like just video call him.
• 1:40:36
  I'm going to do a LinkedIn post about it because I think it's
• 1:40:38
  just the it's like, you know what?
• 1:40:39
  I saw the the video, the photo of it, you know, one of those
• 1:40:41
  like evidence, you know, he was on FaceTime with Kevin Oliver.
• 1:40:44
  Moral dilemmas like you know, do you video call Someone Like You
• 1:40:46
  know, do you hate it or? Not Kevin O'Leary picking up a
• 1:40:49
  random. Face, that's a great that's a
• 1:40:51
  great point and I think that you know, he wasn't the only one
• 1:40:53
  that picked. Up.
• 1:40:53
  I know why he is by the way, I think all these celebrities or
• 1:40:56
  people like that, they don't they don't they're not like us,
• 1:40:59
  like you have your number for life.
• 1:41:00
  They again, I don't know if he's that level, but they very often
• 1:41:03
  get new numbers because people find it and this so they're used
• 1:41:06
  to getting. Or who am I?
• 1:41:08
  Yeah, and he's waiting for a call from the guy from New York.
• 1:41:11
  And then you have. New York zip code, right?
• 1:41:13
  And boom, it was a fun conversation.
• 1:41:14
  Really, it lasted exactly 90. 5 Kevin O Larry is AB plus
• 1:41:18
  celebrity. Yeah, I think it's at least AB
• 1:41:20
  Plus. It's pretty freaking cool that
• 1:41:22
  you got him. Yeah, only.
• 1:41:23
  The faceline. Get him on here.
• 1:41:25
  Did you ask him or no? Why he was trying to ask him.
• 1:41:27
  That's what I call Nancy. I said, Kevin, I spoke to Nancy.
• 1:41:30
  She's not responding, you know, and it was funny because he's
• 1:41:33
  like, OK, I got to go, I got to go, you know, whatever.
• 1:41:35
  But it was it was cute to have that concept that they'll pick
• 1:41:38
  up their video call and video calling someone is kind of
• 1:41:41
  Hutzpitek in a way. But that's kind of like what we
• 1:41:43
  did to you earlier or like what we do to our guests, like call
• 1:41:47
  right now someone that you think would be great.
• 1:41:49
  And you know what Dusty Green told us?
• 1:41:50
  Yeah, what he said. He said if I wouldn't have
• 1:41:52
  gotten video called from Garishi, I would never have come
• 1:41:55
  on your podcast. He said continue doing that.
• 1:41:57
  Hold on, did did he come here or did you get him?
• 1:41:59
  Because I've been trying to get him for a few years now.
• 1:42:02
  Yeah, and I'll get him eventually.
• 1:42:03
  I'm no rush, but he's giving me such a hard time about like you
• 1:42:06
  have to come to me. I'm like I could, but like you
• 1:42:09
  live. In also known him personally.
• 1:42:10
  Not so far. So special.
• 1:42:13
  He came up to our podcast and he told him no.
• 1:42:15
  No, no, he didn't say no, no, no, he's just scheduling.
• 1:42:18
  He's, he's a, he's a busy guy. I don't know.
• 1:42:21
  There's a lot of people you had on that I I didn't have on.
• 1:42:23
  That you tried to get. Probably I don't want to say yes
• 1:42:27
  without like, but I I looked through your list, yeah.
• 1:42:30
  Interesting. It's not easy.
• 1:42:32
  He does all the guests to listen to.
• 1:42:34
  Yeah, it's not easy. It's a chase you have to chase.
• 1:42:36
  There's a book that my brother is.
• 1:42:38
  That Mandy Wash Mandy Wash was me because Mandy Wash is my
• 1:42:41
  friend. You bring in one person I love
• 1:42:42
  and he brings in the 50 is. Inspirational enough to go on.
• 1:42:45
  Inspiration for the nation. I don't know enough about him.
• 1:42:48
  OK, but what's the type of music?
• 1:42:49
  What's your metrics like go to like you gotta have this or this
• 1:42:52
  like at this point, like what is this?
• 1:42:54
  At this point, Yoni Schwartz is in charge of who we get as
• 1:42:57
  guests because I just get too bombarded and he's so much
• 1:43:02
  better at picking guests than I am.
• 1:43:05
  But that being said, if there's a story that personally moves me
• 1:43:09
  or someone, like there's this girl from Camp Simpler, whole
• 1:43:13
  body was burnt. Like, I saw her and I saw her
• 1:43:15
  speaking. I'm like, Oh my gosh.
• 1:43:16
  And I reached out to my friends at Simpler.
• 1:43:18
  I'm like, I would love to have her.
• 1:43:19
  I saw that video. Yeah.
• 1:43:21
  So and it moved me. Exactly so so like when when
• 1:43:24
  that kind of thing happened? You're getting her on.
• 1:43:26
  Working on it. But she's young but.
• 1:43:27
  She's 11 years old. Yeah, is.
• 1:43:29
  That gonna be the youngest person you've ever had.
• 1:43:31
  I've had babies on, but like the youngest person like that I had
• 1:43:35
  I, I, I did have other campers from simple that were very
• 1:43:38
  young. So I think even younger, but
• 1:43:40
  it's it's in that realm of very, very.
• 1:43:41
  Yeah, I would love to hear that story.
• 1:43:42
  That's that's a great. There you go.
• 1:43:44
  I can't believe it. Like literally within the week
• 1:43:47
  last week. Yeah, somewhere I saw the clip
• 1:43:49
  and he, they bought her one stage and I was like, my heart
• 1:43:53
  melted. Never could scroll 80% of her
• 1:43:55
  body. Someone got burned.
• 1:43:56
  And it's like, and it makes me appreciate Camp Simcha.
• 1:43:59
  Like what they yeah, Oh my gosh. They might be the best
• 1:44:02
  organization in the history of organizations, right?
• 1:44:04
  And that's saying a lot 'cause we have we got all this.
• 1:44:07
  There's a lot. There's a.
• 1:44:07
  Lot. We got amazing ones.
• 1:44:09
  Amazing. Or inspiring ones.
• 1:44:11
  But Camp Simcha just has to take the cake.
• 1:44:13
  What they do and you know, beautiful good fees.
• 1:44:16
  Are you going to have her on? Are you going to give her some
• 1:44:18
  ear to? Try.
• 1:44:18
  She lives in LA though, so it's a little complication.
• 1:44:20
  What it really looks like, you know, let them really see what
• 1:44:22
  it looks like. What?
• 1:44:23
  You were saying earlier about a book.
• 1:44:24
  You were about to say something. Oh yeah.
• 1:44:25
  So my brother introduced me a book called The Third Door.
• 1:44:27
  You don't have to read the book. So I'm going to tell you exactly
• 1:44:29
  what it says in there. It basically says if you're
• 1:44:30
  trying to get into a nightclub, there's the front door, Classic,
• 1:44:34
  everyone's online. Then there's the VIP.
• 1:44:36
  If you're wealthy or you're famous or you know, the per,
• 1:44:40
  then there's a third door. It's in the back alley.
• 1:44:43
  It's, it's where they throw out the garbage.
• 1:44:45
  There's always the third door. And this guy wrote a book called
• 1:44:48
  The Third Door. And it's how we basically think
• 1:44:51
  of the biggest people in the world, the biggest, the biggest,
• 1:44:54
  the, the Pope and the Dalai Lama and Steve Jobs and, and all
• 1:44:59
  those people he interviews all of them.
• 1:45:00
  And he's like, I'm a regular guy.
• 1:45:02
  He's like, there's always a third door.
• 1:45:04
  So with Kevin O'Leary, there's a third door, you know, I don't
• 1:45:08
  think it's Facetiming him. It's probably through Nancy or
• 1:45:10
  someone who knows him when you know.
• 1:45:12
  But the and I found that with all people I try to interview.
• 1:45:15
  And he gives you like like tips and tricks of how to kind of
• 1:45:18
  third door model. He goes through what he's gone
• 1:45:21
  through, so you kind of do pick up stuff, but it's the mentality
• 1:45:24
  of like, there's always a certain way in.
• 1:45:27
  There's always a way in. And there's people I've been
• 1:45:29
  working on for for years now. I just had someone that I've
• 1:45:33
  been working on for five years. Hold on, let me.
• 1:45:36
  Let me well. You have people for five years.
• 1:45:38
  Five years since 2019, I've been trying to get up someone.
• 1:45:41
  Of course when people die and like I didn't get them, who did
• 1:45:45
  I try having on? Five years.
• 1:45:48
  Old ribiol gold. I don't know what I said now.
• 1:45:54
  You'll hear it a second. OK.
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  Who's your old goal too? Is she?
• 1:45:57
  Who's my brother-in-law? He's your brother-in-law.
• 1:45:59
  He is. OK.
• 1:46:00
  Yeah, you would have been my third door.
• 1:46:02
  Yeah. Or not.
• 1:46:03
  By the way, the third door model is coming out like in real time.
• 1:46:06
  There we go. Because that's how you network
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  I. Don't know if you'd be the real
• 1:46:09
  third door. Are you are?
• 1:46:10
  You someone, are you? Real third door no or not?
• 1:46:12
  You get him your old. I got someone.
• 1:46:14
  Oh, you got it. Oh, you just had him on.
• 1:46:16
  Yeah, I just had him on over 50,000 years.
• 1:46:18
  Very well. And I texted him and probably
• 1:46:20
  angry that he didn't come on, I said you went on somebody else's
• 1:46:23
  spot. I need that third door.
• 1:46:25
  Oh, I need that. That should be your girlfriend.
• 1:46:29
  He promised me he's coming on OK, He lives in.
• 1:46:31
  California he lives in. California.
• 1:46:32
  He's not here. Very he.
• 1:46:33
  I didn't it was through Zoom. We did through Zoom he.
• 1:46:35
  Wanted No, no, no. I'm.
• 1:46:36
  Like I'm like, please fly in. He's like you please fly in.
• 1:46:38
  And we did through Zoom. No, no 'cause he wanted to
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  promote his thing. Gonna.
• 1:46:41
  Have him on the press. He has an incredible story by
• 1:46:43
  the. Incredible story.
• 1:46:44
  He is a very inspirational, yeah.
• 1:46:45
  We did more the angle of the tish about film, so his story.
• 1:46:48
  Part of, by the way, I thought was epic.
• 1:46:50
  He's great. I thought that Tish About film
• 1:46:52
  took like it was one of the best Tish About films anyone's ever
• 1:46:54
  released. It's amazing.
• 1:46:56
  Made me be proud to be a Jew. He's great.
• 1:46:58
  He's I, I believe in him. He's, he's, he's Erla.
• 1:47:01
  He's so good. I, I, I think he's awesome.
• 1:47:03
  And I think what he's done for the film Jewish World is
• 1:47:08
  unbelievable. I think I know like Hubs Time
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  Heritage Foundation was doing it before him.
• 1:47:12
  No one did it the way he did. And I think he's still the Tish
• 1:47:15
  above goat. Yeah.
• 1:47:16
  Great speaker. That being said, I was trying
• 1:47:19
  since 2019 to get him and he had every excuse of yeah, I want to
• 1:47:25
  do that. He never did it.
• 1:47:26
  And finally the like a year ago, he's like, I will finally do it
• 1:47:31
  and I was honored and I still am honored and it's great episode.
• 1:47:35
  Anyone could go listen to it and kind of get a little more behind
• 1:47:38
  the scenes. Even if you watch the film, he
• 1:47:40
  says a lot of things on there that we didn't speak about on
• 1:47:42
  the film. He's probably one of the more
• 1:47:44
  talented people. He married your sister or you
• 1:47:47
  married his? Sister.
• 1:47:48
  You married his. Oh, that was the other way?
• 1:47:50
  Yeah. You married his sister.
• 1:47:51
  Yeah, the youngest. Well done.
• 1:47:53
  Could we break things down? You married his sister.
• 1:47:55
  So his sister's Khasidis officially.
• 1:47:57
  No, no, she didn't grow up. She didn't grow up in that way.
• 1:47:59
  That was after. Yeah, it was my my wife was 3 or
• 1:48:04
  4 years old. Got it when her parents got
• 1:48:05
  divorced. Got it.
• 1:48:06
  OK. So you married a gold?
• 1:48:07
  Yes, yes, yes, yes, exactly. I'm a big fan of his.
• 1:48:12
  I know. I thought why it's so funny that
• 1:48:13
  you're like, I thought maybe something bad.
• 1:48:15
  I'm like, Oh no, like we. Talked about this this is like
• 1:48:17
  that's the inside thing that's hilarious.
• 1:48:19
  It is so funny that you said that I.
• 1:48:21
  But I kid you not, I've been trying.
• 1:48:22
  It was six years. I've been trying to get him for
• 1:48:24
  so long. Wow.
• 1:48:25
  And there's other people I've still been.
• 1:48:26
  I'm not gonna give. Up.
• 1:48:27
  Maybe we could be your third door.
• 1:48:28
  What else you're trying? To tell us the next thing.
• 1:48:29
  Who's the next person you're chasing after?
• 1:48:31
  Is it my uncle that you're going after?
• 1:48:33
  Who's next? Maybe it's my brother-in-law.
• 1:48:34
  I don't. Know of the time I had?
• 1:48:36
  I don't know, I don't know if the in my head, okay, like I
• 1:48:39
  literally had a look at like my recent podcasts.
• 1:48:41
  I remembered. I don't know, they were trying
• 1:48:43
  for so many. That's one request from you
• 1:48:45
  yeah, okay. When you decline Kim Kardashian,
• 1:48:48
  yes sender, yeah yeah, please leave that there.
• 1:48:51
  Here you you have. Her guys, that's a rap.
• 1:48:56
  OK, what an amazing episode. Thank you everyone for.
• 1:48:59
  Everyone wasn't too meta. Oh, were you still doing it?
• 1:49:01
  No. No, no, yeah, I was just saying
• 1:49:02
  thank. You it's not too like, 'cause
• 1:49:03
  we're getting it like you guys care about podcasts and stuff.
• 1:49:06
  Like I don't know if people listening care about the
• 1:49:08
  insurance and outs. OK, what?
• 1:49:09
  This is this is what we what what happened here is what we
• 1:49:11
  do. I just want to be in the top 60
• 1:49:13
  listened on here so. When we get to, it's got to be
• 1:49:16
  100. You'll be one of the top 100.
• 1:49:18
  I guess that. We just bumped into somebody a
• 1:49:19
  few days ago. He was a guest like 30 episodes
• 1:49:22
  ago and he made a comment to us. He says, you know, I'm noticing
• 1:49:25
  that ever since Maya episode, you got a bunch of ones have
• 1:49:28
  much more views than mine. He was like offended or
• 1:49:30
  something, like what did I do wrong?
• 1:49:32
  I said no, no, no. We're just we're getting more
• 1:49:33
  popular with the new Rapids. Yeah.
• 1:49:35
  Yeah, yeah. Don't take it through
• 1:49:36
  reflections. It grows.
• 1:49:37
  It grows with time. Yeah, it it does.
• 1:49:39
  It grows with time. Exactly.
• 1:49:40
  It makes sense. Speaking of which, thank you
• 1:49:42
  everyone for joining and growing with us and subscribing and
• 1:49:45
  commenting and getting involved. Thank you to the Prime Source
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• 1:49:58
  OK. Excellent job.