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Happy New Stuff! – AI Art Copyright Debate & James Gunn's DC Shakeup · Multiple Nerdgasm

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  I nearly went a full year without buying a new phone welcome to multiple
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  nerdgasm with your hosts Matt Luke and
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  Dan multiple nerdgasm your guide to All
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  Things nerdy oh yeah so annoying now Luke
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  you're one of the few people that only buys a phone when they actually need a
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  phone not just because a new and better phone has come or when they accidentally
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  click the PayPal button if you recall that happened once you didn't know that
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  buy with PayPal meant buy with PayPal I accidentally brought my pixel 4
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  and then I brought a pixel 5 and I had when the pixel 6 came out I had to buy a
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  lot sooner than I would normally because I couldn't use a pixel 5 it was just too
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  small so then I got the pixel 6 Pro quite happy with it doing fine would
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  have last me another year or two MH except I went out to Hannah got a flat
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  battery I went out to change it and I dropped my phone and it just cracked the
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  screen and just made it not workable screens now when they break they don't
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  it's not like when they used to break remember the iPhones where they would
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  shatter and they still usable now they break and they're just n just not
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  working so I had to go buy a pixel 7 you had to well I was I just went I was going to
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  just get replaced it with just a pixel 6 Pro just get exactly the same phone but
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  for an extra $50 I get the seven
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  well so I spent the extra $50 I've I've uh only ever had one non iPhone which
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  was the pixel 4 uh it was fine but I my very next phone was back to iPhone how
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  are the pixels these days up up to version s d it's exactly the same I yeah
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  I I'm not at all interested in phones these days I used every time there was a
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  new phone it used to do something that the old phones didn't do and I would get
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  excited about it that has stopped now that well and they don't do anything
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  different anymore they might have a better camera this the I have the what's
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  the new the 14 pro Max and it does do one thing that is impressive but is
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  unsurprisingly not used very often by me and that is the action camera mode where
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  it you can run around or ride a motorbike or whatever and it'll do a
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  steady shot that doesn't come up so often like it's I like KN that it's in
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  there but yeah it doesn't come up that often MH yeah yeah so this phone's going
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  to last me two or three yeah that's my plan with this one yeah
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  dies well I've had the 13 since the 13 was brand new and I have absolutely no
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  interest in replacing it and certainly no interest in paying $1,000 for a new
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  phone yeah my plan is for all this stuff like I bought this computer that's
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  supposed to last me at least three years I bought this phone supposed to last me
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  at least two three years hopefully my iPad's up because it's I've had this
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  this is a 2018 iPad Pro 11 in except when I look at the the new one
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  they don't do anything else like I watch videos on this and I check my email and
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  I do some other stuff I you could I potentially just keep using this forever
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  in theory so oh you really could you really could so they're gonna have to
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  come up with something um how long is your PS5 plan to last uh my PS5 will
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  last me uh hopefully quite a long time cuz I don't buy PlayStation very often
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  yeah last PlayStation I bought was a PS3 and when I say bought I meant traded a
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  case of beer for to our friend Carl yes yeah yeah but I did buy a PS5 the other
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  day have you played it yeah yeah God of War that war no not not yet I just
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  wanted to see I wanted to see Spider-Man and I knew I knew Spider-Man was going
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  to be it I knew it man it's [ __ ] of all the PlayStation exclusives could you
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  not play that on your Nvidia passy no I don't think so Spider-Man is that on
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  PC I'd check out Che out if I were you Sor right it's too
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  late um oh okay yeah no it's beautiful and the only literally the biggest thing
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  issue that I have with with it and anything else that I tried is the
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  controller is completely foreign to me and in particular Spider-Man it comes up
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  and it says press X and so I'm like I'm pressing X I'm pressing X like oh X is
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  in a [ __ ] different spot but [ __ ] thumb knows where X is [ __ ] x x is a is
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  it yeah on the PlayStation well it doesn't have a or anything like that
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  it's X and triangle and square don't know any of them it's completely foreign
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  to me I'm like that when I switch over to the to the switch from the Xbox you
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  know even just that the your back buttons the bottom one not the right but
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  why they did that so annoying well it's because they don't owe anything to
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  Microsoft to keep it the same yeah but breath of the wild in particular I know
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  other people complain about it too it's just the buttons are flipped to like
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  every other game in the whole [ __ ] Universe CU Nintendo was like that's
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  Nintendo they were like we were the first [ __ ] I'm not going to change you
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  change so I haven't spent a lot of time with it but but I mean it's yeah it's
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  pretty cool you know I mean I had a PS2 and it was probably the best console
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  I've ever had yeah like for the time the amount of games and the quality of games
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  that were on it I did sign so I got it and it came it came with God of War
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  Ragnarok and I was like well i' kind of prefer to play I I want to know should I play the
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  earlier games at all I looked it up and basically the consensus was not the
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  earlier ones they're completely different games different genre don't
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  even worry about it and I was like all right fine but the one the first ones
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  are very much like hack and slash games but this one actually has like more of a
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  story play kind of plus you're going to you're going to enjoy the Vikings
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  setting a little bit more right yeah cuz those ones are more Greek god and why
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  would you buy a PlayStation 5 PlayStation so but but the previous one
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  God of War the Whatever Whenever that came out the previous Santa Monica
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  Studios one I was like well maybe I'll play that and I was like okay so what
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  are all the PlayStation games I want Spider-Man God of War uh last of USS the
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  Uncharted games um Detroit become human I was interested in playing all these
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  games bloodborne I'm interested in playing right so I made a list and I'm
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  like okay there's a sale on right now let's have a look and then I see this
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  PlayStation Plus thing and I'm like oh it's like Xbox game pass so I go in
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  there and I'm like oh yes every single one of these games is on that list so I
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  just signed up for that PlayStation great and I now have 10 games installed
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  on there all I need now is time some to play so follow up next week when
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  I say the same thing you've played slightly more of Spider-Man perhaps yeah
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  perhaps because I have been playing Elden ring on my Xbox and I'm [ __ ]
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  loving it so I don't know okay so tell us about Elder ring now look you've
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  played this right did you play all the way through this elder ring God no no i'
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  I've played like the first hour or so and then went I do not like this game so
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  I did that too and then I I tooted on masteron it's called tooting um I
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  learned and said that's even dumber than tweeting honestly I had to get used to
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  the word tweeting now I've got to hear about toots no thanks so he toots oh is
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  it okay masteron anyway do we have to do anything just post just post on there I
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  posted on there having a winge about it and then and people replied Master on
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  the the I got to say I'm enjoying it like the people I think just because the
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  server one is less populated like like it's it's kind of like I get more
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  engagement on masteron than I ever did on Twitter simply because I don't just
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  disappear off the bottom of all these [ __ ] celebrities and everything it's
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  just literally the server I on is just all tech people and it's like I actually
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  people reply can only people on your server see you no no no but um but I
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  mean but you're favored by the algorithm yeah well you just go to the local the
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  local group is kind of where everyone kind of mostly hangs out seems like I'm
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  still getting a feel but any I've gotten more rep anyway a bunch of people said
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  stick with it because once it clicks it's quite it's very good and I was like
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  I don't know man and so I was like fine so I played for another hour or two and
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  then I was like oh it did click at some point and I am enjoying it now so I
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  guess there you go that that is a thing I just don't have the time for
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  it yeah it's I think the biggest issue is right and I'm used to play used to
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  games that now even like like cyber Punk all those games where it's like you can
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  just kind of w wander in and start hitting [ __ ] and you'll probably be fine
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  like you may have to spam the H heel button a bunch of times in Elden ring
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  you are [ __ ] if you do that like if you try and fight more than one anything
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  at a time you're [ __ ] even if it's like a caterpillar a [ __ ] caterpillar
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  will kill you if you fight two of them yeah it's not to just rushing and start
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  slashing and you have to learn you need to go in with a plan learn out com each
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  enemy will have different attack The Shield you can't just run in and start
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  swinging your sword around you have to use the shield learn to block learn how
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  to do all this stuff and then and that's as a same like even like throwing the
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  difficulty down and trying to play it on easy it doesn't I didn't even know you
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  could do that I don't even think you can yeah I didn't I didn't know you could if
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  you if you can I didn't know oh I thought the whole point of this was
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  there was no easy but there are enemies you just have to avoid them at the start
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  you cannot possibly kill these people at the start right and but they're on the
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  road to where you've got to go you just have to go around them and you just have
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  to get used to the fact that that this is just how the game is right like it's
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  an open world you can go anywhere and it'll be fine but if you see a guy who's
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  like twice the size of you [ __ ] stay away from he will murder you because he
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  will destroy you so yeah I mean that's my attitude when I go out to the western
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  suburbs of Sydney as well it's just because I'm used to you know Skyrim or
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  even when the Bethesda games were not you know like Skyrim in particular is
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  very like everything's leveled so you can go anywhere and well remember the um
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  the first Fallout yeah that that the Fallout 3 that was um levels played a
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  big part in that and if you went to areas early you would be murdered but
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  they thing like if you went into you went into a cave
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  and what happened so at the beginning the game you'd go into a cave and then
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  if the enemies were too strong you'd leave and come back a little bit later
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  but those enemies stayed at that same level that you were when you originally
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  entered so you felt like you're a lot stronger remember that yeah but no I I I I've
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  tried I can't play it I just can't that too I'm just all I guess I
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  don't want to I'm not going to pressure anybody I just thought I should
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  mention I want you to pressure people no I just pressure Luke now Luke yeah
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  you'll [ __ ] like it cuz I did eventually people told me I'd like it
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  and I didn't believe them and then I did like it so oh it is the character design stuff
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  is like very different I and maybe not so much if you played the other from
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  software games but it's just got weird [ __ ] in it
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  like no this does look a lot better than the Dark Soul I think I told you guys on
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  chat I was playing and then I came across this man who was literally just a
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  cauldron with arms and he was stuck in the ground and he was like oh can you
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  help me out so I helped him by like bashing him until he came out of the
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  ground and he was like oh thanks I'm off to the [ __ ] Coliseum to fight in the
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  as a gladiator see you later and like the [ __ ] is this game like it feels very
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  like you're talking me into it it it's cool like that it's you know like old
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  games were just weird like that and it's like it's not going to explain why why
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  is it a cauldron who knows who cares he just is a cauldron Man actually I didn't
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  even make it far enough to meet cauldron man I've been playing the Xbox a little
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  bit this week much more than I have for the past year uh cuz I finally found
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  something that just really syned its hook in me and that's pent ah P's great
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  and it did take me actually a little bit to decide that I liked it because it was
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  a little bit wasn't the oddness of it it was just it didn't feel like there was
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  much to do sure and in terms of actual like gaming Loop there's not a lot to do
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  yeah but it's enthralling now Luke this
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  is essentially a book this is more of a book than any other game I've ever
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  played this is this is choose your own would have book isum which Luke also
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  hates also didn't quite I didn't hate that it's a game if I had have played it
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  like 10 years ago 15 years ago like when I would have loved like the original
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  fallouts love those games to death now but actually this also has no voice
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  acting like disco alium originally correct yeah uh but it's much
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  well I was going to say it's easier to read but I suppose it's not in a way
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  because it's the you got to pick the right font well I I went I went all out
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  I was like just [ __ ] font me [ __ ] just come at me with whatever you got I
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  like how it does that and as you learn more things about people their font
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  changes this guy's actually quite smart and he becomes like more the font gets
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  more scrip yeah that's right but also like when you're talking to the printer
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  his oh yeah font prints in instead of subcribing it yeah yeah it's clever yeah
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  it's it's really it's really very interesting um and far more interesting
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  than it has any right to be considering the content of it yeah it's quite simp I
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  you said lastek like why why would you care about what peasants are doing and
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  their relation to the church yeah but you do though because you get to know
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  them yeah and in hearing Andreas your you play as winge about his issues
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  you're like yeah and then very careful not to talk to anyone about my [ __ ] and
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  then even at points he's like no my problems don't seem as bad as these
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  [ __ ] poor people yeah yeah mate shut up that's right I'm getting paid too
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  much money to paint painting I hate my job people asking me to pay me tons and
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  tons of money to paint things it sucks yeah um I did have one moment
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  though and I don't I I I have a feeling maybe many people do and maybe that's
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  the point and in fact I don't even know if you can correctly solve that first
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  murder but when the first murder concluded I considered restarting the
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  game because I thought I'd done it all wrong and it was kind of reminded me of
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  the first time I played through um Mass Effect 2 and I pretty much let everyone
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  on the Normandy die and um and then went back and did it again yeah but but I've
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  pushed on and I've since realized that actually getting it wrong as kind of
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  part of it yeah I think you're supposed to always feel like oh did I do the
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  right thing like oh did I did I should I have done that kind of thing and you're
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  just always supposed to feel like that yeah someone always hates you that's the game
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  yes well the and the people who hate you kind of changes the story somewhat
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  that's the point yeah you're right there's always there's always one or
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  more people that are pissed off at you for some reason and that's what makes it
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  interesting and I'm actually the first this is my first but you've did you
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  complete a second place I because um I
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  got to so you had said that I had the same experience with you I finished act
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  one and I was like oh I don't feel like I actually explored as much as I even
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  could have in the limited time you do have cuz I didn't quite understand the
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  game loop at the time and I continued on anyway and then I was like I want to
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  play again because I feel like particularly act one I could have done
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  more and I did that the second time and I was like okay yeah um and then I got
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  into act two and I think I got most of the way through act two and then I was
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  like okay I did exhaustively play through this act the second time and so
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  now I'm kind of feeling like I need a break sure so so I have I I will continue did
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  you what just without spoiling it did a
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  more exhaustive playthrough of Act One change act two dramatically or not it
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  did but I was more so you basically if
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  you want to know for sure or as much information as possible about a suspect
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  you kind of have to commit to that suspect to get as much as info as you
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  can and you're not going to learn much about the others like there's just not
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  enough time to to and I'm I'm not sure you can ever be 100% certain about
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  anybody like maybe maybe I'm wrong um
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  but I don't think so yeah yeah got it yeah okay cool and I honestly Sometimes
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  some of the things I'm like the more I time I spend on this the less I'm
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  convinced I should be even [ __ ] looking at this guy like yeah correct I
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  think I think I think it's all by Design that's how the game is supposed to be
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  and then because you can I might give another try you can just not even say
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  anything when they ask you who do you think did it you just go I don't know
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  and then see yeah that's what I thinking actually yeah they take your advice
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  under advisement but it's their decision you could just not tell them anything
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  that's that's that's well I ended up telling them about a couple of people
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  but keeping a couple of other people's Secrets secret and then they just made
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  up their own mind I was like oh okay you went with you went with that guy I was
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  actually quite shocked by what happened in act one the first time I played
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  through I was like oh [ __ ] that's so was I yeah wait I was like no you didn't do
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  that because of what I said right because exactly I was like why didn't
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  tell you to do that yeah I just said he was a bit Shifty I
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  didn't say the second playthrough I was like you need to this this is the guy
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  that did it because I was I just wanted to see what would happen yeah sure sure
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  yeah no it's a good game Jenna just finished it as
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  well yeah but she doesn't mind reading so that's right I quite like reading so
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  this has worked out reading you miss it well read this game what you could do
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  might reind you can choose you can choose for the whole thing to just be in
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  Times New Roman if you don't want to look at all the gothic fonts that's true
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  I only do comic SS they don't have a mode for that although it's it is Microsoft Studios
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  and they do own that font so they missed a big
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  opportunity do fonts enter public domain after 100 years I actually don't think
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  you can copyright a font uh I forget where I heard this recently I think you
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  can copyright the the font as in the file like the true type font file as in
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  you could have a copyright on the file itself but once it becomes like used in
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  something like if I have a an image that I used a font in you have you can't do
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  anything about it if I used your font because it's no
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  longer good listeners don't don't get sued on my behalf I'm not a lawyer but
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  that my understanding is that you can't copyright a font as such you could get
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  done for software piracy if you had a font you didn't pay for but if you used
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  the font you could not be done for copyright infringment actually that
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  leads into something sell you can't sell a font that you don't that you desire
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  right of course yeah that leads a little bit into something I want to ask you
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  guys about because I got um had a conversation with a listener this week
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  because we had been talking about the AI avatars and stuff and there's been a lot
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  of discussion about this lately and I think it's very interesting and so I
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  just wanted to see what do you guys think about all this and what I mean is
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  in the context of you got these AIS doing this artwork and
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  they're training them on other people's art existing artwork correct and and
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  people artists have understandably been a bit not bit conc some of are very
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  worried about this right because you're teaching this thing to copy my artwork
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  it's literal plagiarism Yeah well yeah well it depends though right well that's
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  what I want to talk about right so people are very upset about it
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  understandably and yeah what's your opinion on it just first of all It's
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  tricky because I'm interested sort of like CU other artists can be influenced
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  by other there's an argument that the AI is just that but it's a bit different
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  person it's a it's software of person and it's being fed this information yes
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  by a person by a personably cuz I keep thinking who instead making money good
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  arguments on both sides and I think but most of the time it literally always
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  boils down to it's just the fact that it's not a being that's doing it because
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  if I said to you all right I'm going to teach you what superheroes are and I
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  showed you all the Marvel movies and a bunch of Marvel Comics and I said all
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  right go to invent a superhero and you came out with a superhero that's not
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  copyright infringement right well it depends no how close it was to an
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  existing hero and I think that's where the line is because some of these
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  artworks look exactly like the style of artwork specific in that case I
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  definitely don't think that's like like I think the same rule should apply that
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  apply to human created artwork like we
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  do like yeah correct but but it also depends on how you use it because
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  somebody like I mean the ones we've enjoyed the most are the ones where they
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  say Wes Anderson does the X-Men that would be copyright infringement right if
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  anyone's making money off of that yeah for entertainment purposes I like but
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  yes I don't I definitely don't agree that they should have a computer
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  generate a movie based on that prompt and then they should be able to release
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  that movie and make money off it no that's nonsense well I had this
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  conversation one of my neighbors works for canva and uh he was telling us the
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  other day about his AI tool where you can just kind of type in something that
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  you want to see and suddenly you'll see it and I jokingly said yeah providing
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  somebody else has done something similar that it can copy and uh and he was like
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  doesn't copy Dan doesn't copy it creates a unique piece of artwork I'm like okay
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  all right well we won't get into it I'm sit here andg about this with you but I
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  but I find that the line of of influence versus plagiarism is is tricky anyway
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  there was one there was one artist who who took a photo of a
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  house with a I think had a porch swing and and a dog sitting there and another
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  artist went to the same house rented the same house set it up exactly like it
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  took a picture and got sued by the first artist he was like how can you sue me if
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  for taking a photo my photo you didn't take it I took it and he was like you
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  made it exactly like mine he's like but who cares like did he so where where is
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  the line like and I think I think this has made a very good argument like you
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  said because you could dramatically say robots are stealing our art which sounds
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  like something we need to really deal with but I think this that fine line has
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  always been there but here's another thing so cuz it gets a gets fed all this
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  and now you guys done a lot of people got they've spent that $3 and got so
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  many photos MH for an actual artist to go and draw that photo make that thing
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  for they're not going to charge that $3 they're going to make you one photo and
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  that's going to cost I could have given an artist 20 photos and me 10 minutes
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  later had 200 avatars that they had come up with yeah but that's the same
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  argument that people had at the Industrial Revolution when we said we're
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  going to fire 200 people and get a machine instead that's another thing
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  keep coming back to is it's just yeah exactly right it sounds like and to be
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  clear I'm not I'm not [ __ ] on arts or anything like that I have massive
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  respect for art that's a particularly Visual Arts is something I'm not very
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  good at um I I can do music and they have AIS that do that too and that that
• 23:47
  worries me but on the other hand I'm like I mean we have laws for this stuff
• 23:53
  anyway right so the computer creates a thing that's literally just the the
• 23:58
  interstellar soundtrack well then Han Zimmer can sue like yeah correct and and
• 24:03
  also especially if that person has typed in make this sound like Han Zimmer right
• 24:08
  no but what what I'm saying but you can make something sound like Han Zimmer
• 24:12
  like there is there are ways to do that right so as long as it it obeys the
• 24:16
  rules yeah we're we're less likely to have new artists come
• 24:20
  along I know it's kind of eliminating a job basically which is but but again
• 24:24
  that's that's what happens over time but no but remember that was a little bit
• 24:29
  different so that eliminating job was s of manufacturing doing stuff this is
• 24:32
  eliminating creativity yeah but what's the difference it's not though because
• 24:35
  it's replacing creativity with a different kind of creativity no no no
• 24:39
  but that that that AI learned from what others why is creativity protected
• 24:46
  arbitrarily versus the I'm not saying it's protected I'm just saying we lose
• 24:50
  that creativity oh yeah yeah yeah oh no I mean I'm like cuz people aren't going
• 24:54
  to go out and create if there's to be clear I'm not saying this is a good
• 24:57
  thing I just think interesting thing like I'm not I'm not I don't know if
• 25:01
  it's it's necessarily good or bad because I think when we didn't have Photoshop we
• 25:07
  had to literally cut out things and shine a light on them to make a drop
• 25:10
  shadow right on transparencies now we have tools that let us do this maybe
• 25:15
  this is just the next tool and maybe you still will need artists and right now
• 25:19
  you you can say create this for me and it will but if you want to do anything
• 25:24
  with any amount of nuance you'll still need a human operator to know what to
• 25:29
  type in surely yeah but I don't know that you would eventually I think that's
• 25:32
  I mean right now I'm sure but I mean what again I could come back to what's
• 25:37
  the difference between a person watching you you know you know you make films
• 25:42
  you've seen how God knows how many films and you were influenced by films your
• 25:46
  films are a result of you learning and being trained on the films you've seen
• 25:52
  like you can't help it's machine learning but organically yeah I don't
• 25:56
  know no no it's a very very valid point and because I know people are saying
• 26:00
  they want to be able to oh actually they don't want to be able to opt out they
• 26:03
  want to this you can't put people's artwork in to train these AIS is what
• 26:07
  what they want because what's that company one of the companies came out
• 26:11
  and said you can now contact us and say I want to opt out and we'll remove your
• 26:15
  artwork and then people are like no no no it's not opt out it in yeah but but
• 26:20
  you did opt in because you created artwork that youhere so I'm looking at it why can't
• 26:26
  the computer look at it that's that's M I'm influenced by it yeah yeah that's
• 26:32
  very interesting I I do know that there's been at least some litigation so
• 26:36
  far so somebody created a comic book right and using AI to do the art and
• 26:41
  then tried to trademark that and we're told you cannot you don't own you didn't
• 26:45
  create this art oh interesting because the the human didn't create it they
• 26:49
  couldn't copyright it yeah but but but people made the AI did they that they
• 26:54
  own it is that one of the things that I doubt it I doubt the to undermining my
• 27:00
  argument is that like the if the creative force is not the AI itself
• 27:05
  that's a good point like who would earn the copyright the AI would this reminds
• 27:08
  me of when that monkey took that selfie yeah right cuz what I'm saying weird as
• 27:13
  it sounds what I'm saying is what's the difference between a human doing it and
• 27:16
  a computer doing it but then if we're talking about the the computer's not
• 27:19
  going to own it well it's like well hang on a minute that's different then so
• 27:22
  yeah that does undermine my argument but but can I go into the pton office and be
• 27:26
  like I'd like to register for a trade Mark for my computer for the artwork that my
• 27:32
  computer produces yeah or like if if lra paints something can I go in and go I'd
• 27:36
  like to copyright this my daughter made it and I made her
• 27:40
  so yeah yeah yeah and then your mom comes in and Snipes it and takes all your
• 27:47
  money just going to the h family yeah
• 27:51
  yeah I I think this is going to be a lot of arguing I think there's going to be
• 27:57
  court cases and a lot of aru I think this is going to be like kind of birth
• 28:00
  of the internet where people wasn't sure yeah how the law worked in cyberspace I
• 28:05
  think this is going to be still don't yeah true I think this happened really
• 28:09
  quickly too and I guess one of my it got good very quickly one of the questions I
• 28:13
  have my argument is also undermined by like I don't have a huge technical
• 28:18
  knowledge of how these things work versus how a human brain works right
• 28:23
  obviously like listeners don't be fooled I don't know these things so when I say
• 28:28
  I don't know the difference that's because I'm that's because my favorite
• 28:31
  film is Blade Runner and so when you tell me that an artificial intelligence
• 28:36
  has done something I want to defend it so yeah and I want to say maybe that AI
• 28:40
  doesn't even know it's AI maybe it thinks it's human so I may beting Human
• 28:44
  Than Human I may be being weird about it because of that I'll be honest let's ask
• 28:48
  the AI ask that what's that chat GPD thing let's get it that thing is going
• 28:52
  to convince you for sure it's a genius mhm that's scary too hot robot from XM
• 28:58
  sure she'll tell you she'll set you straight which one true very
• 29:04
  true I think you're right though this happened very quickly because earlier
• 29:08
  this year I downloaded an AI artwork app and started putting stuff into it and it
• 29:15
  was fun for a day and a half but only if you like bizarre abstract art yeah
• 29:21
  remember when I first started seeing mid Journey horror generated stuff and I and
• 29:25
  I was like oh God my eyes can't even comend what I'm looking at so that's
• 29:29
  what this was like but I was typing in things like a Wells right and then I was
• 29:33
  just getting bizarre and it was literally taking bits of photos of a and
• 29:39
  Wells from 100 years worth of imagery yes and just smooshing them into an
• 29:44
  original in a way that no human mind would ever think to do so correct no
• 29:48
  same human mind yeah that's right um but this is not that because like we've said
• 29:54
  the things that we did lenzo or whatever it's called last week looks like me just
• 29:58
  made it was like hey Dan want to be hot here's what it would look like if you
• 30:02
  were stop picking up that cat I can pick up my cat however I
• 30:08
  want she likes it but here's the thing right because I think you mentioned
• 30:14
  films Matt and there is AI to write films now it's happened it already
• 30:19
  exists and I would say that the era of
• 30:24
  original screenwriting has long passed in fact may not have even existed
• 30:29
  because I watched a there's a great old film called Sunset Boulevard which was
• 30:34
  made in the' 40s which is what 20 to 30 years after film was invented which
• 30:40
  already talks about how films are just cookie cutters from Studios make turning
• 30:44
  out the same thing right and that was that's 80 years ago now right so there
• 30:49
  may never have been any originality but they definitely isn't now every film I
• 30:53
  go and see is the exact same script structure as every other film that see
• 30:58
  at the moment right Joseph yeah well exactly right um and then just boil down
• 31:04
  until it's just exact it's Chris Pratt he has to go back in time to
• 31:09
  save every movie is the same now even AI movies they would all Bei wrote a movie
• 31:15
  yes exactly right Mario something like that something insane like that correct
• 31:22
  so what I'm saying is as a viewer of the art I wouldn't notice the difference if
• 31:27
  an AI started writing a film or if a if if a staff writer at a studio who just
• 31:32
  knew exactly what he was expected to write started writing a film so as the
• 31:37
  experience wouldn't change I think Luke is right what he says only the artist
• 31:41
  suffers here only the person who has no creative Outlet anymore suffers whether
• 31:47
  that's relevant or not well that's another I'm just interested in I don't
• 31:52
  disagree with that and I don't think you know I'm not saying that's a good thing
• 31:55
  but I also I don't see what is the difference between that and someone who lost their
• 32:00
  job because they used to manufacture or they they had a particular steel working
• 32:05
  skill that's just not required anymore like no difference as far as I'm
• 32:10
  concerned I still see a difference okay I think that yeah okay I mean can you
• 32:15
  can you articulate what it is I'm just curious labor and creativity are two different
• 32:21
  things like yes like the still M thing yes they train for that all their job
• 32:26
  and losing that and then having to retrain that is but
• 32:33
  creativity don't how sure yeah but I learned how I guess that's the
• 32:39
  difference is that no you you still got that I just learned it the same way you
• 32:44
  learn or something I can problematize this because Matt learned it you could
• 32:51
  learn it yes Matt might still be better at it that's cuz I learned it that's
• 32:55
  only in the eye of the beholder yeah true yeah I might like Matt's music
• 32:59
  someone else might like your music Luke do you know what I mean no I still think
• 33:03
  with with you might be right that with creative people that there there is
• 33:07
  something that clicks like even from a young age like people can pick up and
• 33:10
  play instruments pick up music or that's the same with laor just things like that
• 33:14
  like I can't do that [ __ ] like because it doesn't click with me but other
• 33:18
  people I think I could train you to I think I could train you to labor a lot
• 33:22
  easier than you could train me to do art only because you'd be like Kicking and
• 33:25
  Screaming this is a challenge I'm willing to [Laughter]
• 33:31
  get luk is going to put me in labor Yep this is this is this is very interesting
• 33:37
  though this is this is an interesting debate and I this is kind of the nature
• 33:42
  argument all over again and nobody the podast say it looks like let's move
• 33:47
  on fine let's move on to something fun let's move on to the Rock and the fact
• 33:52
  that James gun has fired him okay James fired a lot of people so
• 33:57
  let's surprised luk thinks that's fun but I uh I Happ to discuss it yeah I
• 34:03
  just think that James's got a lot of balls so he um I think lenza knows we're
• 34:09
  talking about it oh my God I think they've said oh maybe Black
• 34:15
  Adam will come back later but for now he's just I mean he's effectively been
• 34:18
  fired for now but I think that's what happened to Henry caval as well I don't
• 34:22
  think they NE necessarily said you will never play Superman again I think they
• 34:25
  said the next Superman movie he's going to be much younger so you're not in
• 34:28
  there yeah but I don't see the difference honestly because if well they
• 34:31
  could do Kingdom Come As the next one after that and bring him back iose I
• 34:36
  don't know I suppose Michael Keaton got fired as Batman at one point and now
• 34:39
  he's back so yeah yeah well he's not now
• 34:42
  is oh yeah no no no he still is Flash FL
• 34:47
  hold on there's no 100% guarantee we're still getting the flash is there [ __ ]
• 34:51
  NOS although they are call hey [ __ ]
• 34:56
  no so so the rock came out and did a
• 35:00
  post saying I want to give you a long I wanted to give you a long a way to Black
• 35:05
  Adam update regarding characters and future of new DC James G and VI
• 35:09
  connected so he's sort of making out that they got together and they agreed
• 35:12
  on this no you fight yeah I don't think long waited no one saw Black Adam yeah I
• 35:18
  I didn't know he was a character this other article says that
• 35:23
  they had to when when they first shot Black Adam it was so bad that they had
• 35:27
  to SP $7 million re-shooting it oh God I
• 35:32
  know the bu of the film is way more than everyone thought it was in that I've
• 35:37
  seen so many movies where they're like oh this was awful before the re-shoot
• 35:40
  and I'm like M it was awful after the re-shoot yeah what the [ __ ] was it like
• 35:43
  before I want to see Rogue one re-shoot that's what I want to see so do I you
• 35:47
  never will you never will Star Wars doesn't go remember Rogue one there was
• 35:52
  a a thing in a trailer where it looked like she was going to be fighting a TIE
• 35:55
  fighter you remember that comat against a die fighter yeah yeah mind you I think
• 36:01
  Gareth Edwards did come out and say honestly I just did that shot for fun
• 36:04
  yeah yeah no apparently did a lot of those that's a lot of trailer shots were
• 36:07
  just like oh these lights look amazing and they [ __ ] did mind you you're not
• 36:11
  allowed to do that now and we can talk about that later oh good point yeah we
• 36:15
  have an article about that but yeah so yeah com James gun you fired him and I
• 36:21
  don't I still haven't seen Black Adam I have no interest in seeing no I just I
• 36:25
  mean I've heard that it's not a good movie so why would I bother when I'm not
• 36:30
  I wasn't interested to begin with I've certainly not become interested I would
• 36:33
  literally only watch this to see Henry Cav he's at the end you can just watch
• 36:38
  the end credits probably so I'm very interested to see what James G's got
• 36:43
  plann since he's now fired everyone yeah essentially we still don't have official
• 36:49
  word on some of them right like I don't know scal could have been fired
• 36:52
  officially she official but she has been removed from the Flash all her scenes
• 36:58
  have has been canell oh that's a good point but Wonder Woman three wasn't
• 37:02
  canceled because of her it was apparently canel because Patty j i
• 37:06
  although I if they're gonna have a younger Superman oh wait no because the
• 37:11
  she's old yeah but the Amazon don't age the same she's always that's what I mean
• 37:15
  so you could have a young Superman you could set Superman in the 30s where it
• 37:19
  began and still have galard Superman ages so he's just he will die eventually
• 37:25
  so the death of Superman is just just hang just wait
• 37:29
  he ages the same as a human he ages the same as a regular human yeah oh
• 37:33
  somebody's figured this out somebody's done this but but look I think one I
• 37:37
  don't think they'll fire gado I think she'll be one of the ones that stay they
• 37:41
  have not officially fired that we know of right
• 37:46
  he's can't imagine but I also James go
• 37:50
  on a minute after how can release this movie I know with with I think this is
• 37:56
  because this is flash point which resets it all for them and they've got this movie
• 38:01
  that start from I have to see it they can't cancel
• 38:06
  it as much as I [ __ ] hate Ezra Miller no I agree I have I I always hated Ezra
• 38:13
  Miller and I'd only seen him in bit parts and things and I just always
• 38:16
  thought he was a smug little [ __ ] and I never liked watching him um but then
• 38:22
  when I watched that's what they are yeah but when I saw Justice League he was the
• 38:28
  best part about it yeah like I thought that was an awful movie and I was
• 38:32
  surprised how much I liked the flash look the reason why I think it's
• 38:37
  definitely going to come out we' have not heard anything from Ezra Miller
• 38:41
  weeks like I think they they've they locked away you're going to go get
• 38:47
  help stop doing all this
• 38:50
  [ __ ] proof that the movie will come out
• 38:54
  because they can say his we fixed him like we we acknowledge that he was a
• 39:01
  bastard and we've not any women in
• 39:06
  months but I'm also pretty sure they don't they're not going to fire him
• 39:10
  before the movie comes out though because that's bad pre fire in second
• 39:14
  that out literally everybody has been winging at James gun saying why the [ __ ]
• 39:19
  would I go see any of these movies now and it's like I mean that's fair but you
• 39:23
  don't just go see movies because you like them I thought you lik these I
• 39:26
  thought you people lik these movies yeah yeah yeah that's right well no not
• 39:31
  not not really no but here's the thing like I think enough people liked the
• 39:36
  Batman but it's not part of the DCU right lik Joker it's also not part
• 39:42
  of DC EU but there's going to be a Batman in the DC EU I assume there'll be
• 39:48
  a Batman and then there'll be the Batman it's two separate things yeah art Batman
• 39:52
  yeah like like the Joker there's Joker and then and the
• 39:59
  there's other Jokers yeah one of the jok they'll tid you all that up for sure
• 40:03
  yeah for sure I don't think so I think they're going to stick with their
• 40:06
  standal loans as well he said that they weren't going to do that I think he I
• 40:09
  think he may have there's some of some of them that can't be stopped at this
• 40:12
  point like the one with Lady Gaga that's it's too late cat's out of the bag and I
• 40:17
  think same with um I think the the Batman sequel people are up for that so
• 40:21
  he might still do it but he did say after that it's all going to be a
• 40:25
  coherent world so maybe he will just get to be bman cuz that's cuz that's the one
• 40:30
  stupid thing that they've got they've got the scen movies the DC mov and then
• 40:34
  the TV all that's exactly what J say he said it's ridiculous he's doing away
• 40:38
  with all that it's all going to be consistent it is a bit silly in that um
• 40:42
  Marvel does it so well yeah like linking everything except for that one movie
• 40:47
  with um I feel like DC always does this though because they did
• 40:51
  the back in the 2000s where they they're like oh these Comics are a [ __ ] mess
• 40:56
  because we've got [ __ ] everywhere let's reset and then they reset and then
• 41:00
  immediately started doing it again they write too many coms and the thing is
• 41:05
  with Comics is that you you have to be able to change the story or you've got
• 41:10
  nowhere to go with your writing like Batman punch that guy again but look
• 41:15
  look the only thing advice I've got for James gun is don't rush it Marvel didn't
• 41:21
  do Marvel by starting off with Avengers corre that took them years to get there
• 41:27
  where yeah so start build your universe and in fact they did Iron Man I mean you
• 41:33
  arguably Iron Man was the first gateway into Marvel there would been others but
• 41:37
  Iron Man was the one and you wouldn't have said Iron Man was the Batman or
• 41:42
  Superman of the Marvel Universe like they they took a lessonn character and
• 41:47
  just made a fantastic movie out of it then they went and did a Thor which was
• 41:52
  also a great movie and then they did a couple more and then they did Avengers
• 41:57
  and remember I remember seeing Iron Man at the theater and then the post credit
• 42:00
  sequence where Samuel Jackson shows up and says I'm putting together a team and
• 42:04
  I was like what the [ __ ] they can't how how is that going to work the team of
• 42:08
  what yeah no like about the aveng how are they come on that's not going to
• 42:12
  happen and then they do then they got oh it's chisworth is Thor and then they got
• 42:15
  all these [ __ ] and I remember having a conversation on this very podcast
• 42:18
  where back whenever when before Avengers came out where we were like they're
• 42:23
  never going to get all these people to be in a movie together like how they're
• 42:26
  never going get Chris EV chisworth Danny never going to
• 42:31
  happen and now look at like look at the fuing cast of those movies like now it's
• 42:38
  well now that's just ask qu and tarantin that's right yeah well they are movie stars cuz
• 42:44
  people go to the movies [ __ ] no's you cannot tell me that Scarlett
• 42:50
  Johansson is not a movie star the Robert Downey Jr is not a movie star that Chris
• 42:54
  Evans is not a movie star I'm not going to try movies are different accept
• 43:00
  it I am very keen to see what James gun does with DC because actually I love the
• 43:05
  DC characters I love them more than the Marvel characters I'll admit it I do uh
• 43:10
  they just haven't been any good ones lately except for I mean all the all the
• 43:14
  Batmans have been good yeah uh other than the schumak ones uh it's hard to
• 43:20
  [ __ ] Batman but he did he did yeah George Clooney um someone else [ __ ]
• 43:26
  char ass laughing at you so a lot of DC a lot of Zack Snider fans are mad at
• 43:30
  James gun and someone else who's mad at James gun is Ray Fisher what's James gun
• 43:37
  done him this is a bit interesting right so we've talked about how Ray Fisher got
• 43:42
  [ __ ] over by one of Brothers he had a bigger role as Cyborg and he he I think
• 43:49
  his his opinion is that because he's black they just were like cut him out of
• 43:53
  the movie we don't give a [ __ ] which sucks I know it wasn't
• 43:57
  I think he he definitely has accused them of being racist and reducing his
• 44:03
  role and his autonomy because of because of it right it's fair you know I'm not
• 44:07
  who might say look I haven't had someone be racist Against Me Maybe when you do
• 44:12
  you know it yeah and so James gun came out at the time in support of Ray Fisher
• 44:17
  and said that's awful you know support you 100% all that kind of stuff right on
• 44:22
  Twitter and recently Ray Fisher come out and cuz you know James gun's taken over
• 44:28
  head a DC and that kind of stuff and um Rish is mad at him because those tweets
• 44:32
  have been deleted tweets where he came out in support of Ray Fisher and then
• 44:37
  James gun came out tweeted and said Ray all my old tweets get deleted now
• 44:42
  automatically it's nothing to do with you mate nothing like yeah I got like oh
• 44:47
  yeah of course he does cuz he got [ __ ] yeah he got roasted over the
• 44:52
  coals for what he said so I guess he must have some script that just deletes
• 44:57
  or at the very least personal assistant yeah yeah who just deletes all these old
• 45:03
  tweets after a certain period of time so I think this might end up being the
• 45:07
  nothing but um yeah also and I apologize
• 45:11
  to Rey I'm sure you're a lovely man and I'm sure you're actually quite a
• 45:15
  talented actor you got the job in the first place but your character was
• 45:19
  boring as all [ __ ] now maybe you could say that's because all your good scenes
• 45:22
  were cut out and if that's the case also I apologize for that that sucks for you
• 45:27
  you were theor in theor movie you can't to be brought even that James gun's back
• 45:34
  now so he definitely has in the SN cut his role is greatly expanded and is much
• 45:40
  more interesting and so I 100% can understand why he was pissed off with
• 45:46
  what Jos W did and or J and whoever the producers at Warner Brothers who [ __ ]
• 45:51
  him over I don't know why they did it um yeah potentially it is because because
• 45:55
  they're racist like and that's [ __ ] uh I think think got James no and it's got
• 46:00
  more to do with the fact that if you swap a director you have to shoot more
• 46:05
  than 50% of the film with that new director or there's legal implications
• 46:09
  for the original director so he probably scrapped a lot of the other cast as well
• 46:16
  scenes that they had shot to and well yeah remember well cuz how long is just
• 46:21
  Le when it came out because remember did go back to being a 4our movie correct yeah yeah
• 46:27
  unwatchable in one sitting in my opinion I thought the first one was unwatchable
• 46:31
  but for a completely different reason yeah I did watch it in one
• 46:35
  sitting the four hours I liked it a lot better I yeah I liked it better too yeah
• 46:41
  I mean it wasn't still was my favorite movie it wasn't great but it was better
• 46:45
  I put on um Man of Steel this week I didn't watch it all because it's
• 46:50
  incredibly boring in many ways which is a shame because the bits that are good
• 46:56
  are very good and he Henry caval is excellent and actually I like Snider's
• 47:01
  point of view of Superman as a god like I like I like that he didn't do it very
• 47:08
  well and there was way too much of that movie set on Krypton yeah Russell Crow
• 47:14
  dragons Etc and too much way too much Russell Crow but hey you pay for Russell
• 47:19
  Crow you want to get him in there as much as you can yeah mate from now on
• 47:23
  Russell Crow is Zeus to me and no one else yeah mate mate you are this close
• 47:29
  to not coming to the ory I still don't believe they let him
• 47:35
  do that accent I've noticed I see every every time people mention that movie
• 47:39
  they're like negative about it I'm like I liked that movie what yeah I liked it
• 47:44
  too yeah use it as an example of how Marvel's not perfect and how they make
• 47:48
  mistakes and I'm like I thought that it's far from the worse use
• 47:52
  eternal it Eternal like people think eternals is better than that I'm so conf
• 47:56
  confused yeah I do not understand that at all I mean Age of Ultron isn't all
• 48:02
  that good you know what I mean like there's there's a few in there that just
• 48:04
  aren't all that good that's good point yeah yeah you watch them because they
• 48:07
  fill in the gaps and you but not everything could be civil war Iron Man 3
• 48:12
  is uh [ __ ] off yeah exactly Ben is amazing in it but he's not in it very
• 48:17
  much no but I love that they brought him back 10 years later he was [ __ ]
• 48:21
  amazing and Sh actually shangi is a better movie than IR Man 3 and it's got
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  that character in it correct so good I actually didn't think
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  Iron Man 2 was all that good if I'm being completely honest no yeah I would
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  agree with that I think it's better than three in my opinion I think that's I
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  think I'm in the minority better than three it diminishes no no no it goes one
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  two three for sure yes not all the THS are the same but they're not the same
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  like the dark world is nothing like the original Thor and they're nothing like I
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  like dark world and I know that that's very unpopular opinion people really
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  didn't like that the actors in it didn't like it do people like any of these
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  movies yeah I know if everyone's just spend so much time complaining someone's
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  going to see him [ __ ] elbow and Christopher Plumber Christopher
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  Christopher Christopher Plumber also [ __ ] hates it can't get him to shut up about it
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  you're all right Chris yeah he's passed now has he he has yeah yeah yeah we got
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  a long list of Geeks of the week this week do we well candidates C you look
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  we' we've done the thing that we always do we come back after one week break
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  with way too much content and then just crap on about one or two things I know
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  almost an entire episode we've we've got about 10 minutes to go do we want to
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  move to something like geek of the week do is there anything we should mention
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  this is actually followup that I I didn't put it under followup and I
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  forgot but you have mentioned it already so we should touch on it briefly and
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  that is that Studios um have could potentially be sued now if trailers are
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  too deceptive and I when I read the headline I was thinking oh something to
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  do with you remember in the Marvel trailers where they put Hulk there but
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  Hulk wasn't actually in that scene and like kind of stuff it's not that it's
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  that movie we talked about where Ana deas was in the trailer but they cut her
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  out of the movie like those people might win the case yeah so the judge has
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  allowed them to move forward with this class action lawsuit seems insane of
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  everyone who bought a ticket to this movie because they wanted to see some
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  sweet Anna arm action I mean I understand but come on yeah I can it
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  just seem C but no I don't have a problem with them going through well I
• 50:37
  want the cost of the tissues and the personal lubricant
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  covered but I don't know it seems sort of fair like
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  person advertise it with this and then you remove them from it that's what Dan
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  turns around and says to everybody in the theater before the movie starts anybody let you
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  know this not just for me I've brought enough to go
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  around um I remember when I was a kid cuz they used to always cut the trailers
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  early and they used to cut trailers off of work prints put them out I mean
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  you've seen the original Star Wars trailer looks nothing like the final
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  movie the original Batman 89 trailer looks totally different to Batman's got
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  different takes different shots you've never seen and stuff it used to just be
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  stock standard now I've cut trailers right and then I've had to come and
• 51:28
  recut them because the producers gone oh we removed that shot from the show so
• 51:32
  you have to remove it from the trailer people have very careful now to not
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  misrepresent yeah right well they'll be moreful now guess yeah yeah that's right
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  now that you can literally be sued well Rogue one is a good example of this
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  phenomenon as well because the Rogue one trailers had tons of stuff in in them
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  that wasn't in the movie like there's the famously the shot of all of them
• 51:53
  running along the beach and she's got the data Cube [ __ ] thing and so it's like yeah
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  literally just [ __ ] leing the whole end of the movie was clearly different
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  because they got out of that Tower with the stuff so yeah yeah but two two
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  factors number one he admitted he shot cool stuff just for the trailer and
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  number two they fired him in between that trailer coming out and them doing
• 52:19
  re-shoot and a reedit and number three the people in those shots were still in
• 52:23
  the rest of the movie they didn't disappear from the
• 52:27
  whole thing yeah no but if you'd going to see Rogan just because you wanted to
• 52:32
  see her Square Off Mano am Mano against a TIE
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  fighter that TIE fighter show [ __ ] this
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  tissu my I'm dying to see this fter I will jerk anyone in this Cinema off
• 52:48
  while I watch that yeah and in that shot there's just no TIE fighter blue balls
• 52:54
  just oh God I keep thinking of the last episode of the first season of um
• 52:59
  Silicon Valley where he's talking to that reporter and he was like I can joke
• 53:03
  off anyone in this room and I can prove it yeah that a great show had the
• 53:07
  algorithm for how many people you could jerk off in yeah yeah that's amazing
• 53:11
  show I saw an interview with that guy you know how was it TJ TJ Miller is that
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  his name he um kind of went off the rails if you recall and apparently was
• 53:21
  horribly abusive or allegedly horribly abusive um and he said he had some
• 53:25
  [ __ ] brain injury oh [ __ ] and uh I mean again I don't want to make excuses
• 53:30
  for the man like but I did make me go oh
• 53:35
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  we think we probably get sued for if we put it in the main show also listeners
• 53:54
  uh we we did ask you guys maybe not you specifically on you but we did put a put
• 54:00
  the word out and say do you guys mind if we you know get some of that sweet
• 54:03
  advertising revenue and we were told across the board [ __ ] do it so we're
• 54:10
  we're going to um yeah yeah don't know you don't have to you can just pay us
• 54:15
  directly and hear the show we're we're going to Tweet the patreon te I think
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  probably what we'll do is is for the five buck here we'll just you won have
• 54:21
  any of the ads that we end up shoving in but um yeah but we're not going to do
• 54:25
  any of those weird ones where it's just like Suddenly It's a [ __ ] TV
• 54:28
  commercial in the middle of your podcast in the mid mid sentence podcasts who do
• 54:32
  that oh yeah yeah because they they just yeah they just throw it in they're
• 54:39
  not Matt Matt you no doubt know more about this than than I do because also
• 54:44
  I've noticed when I go back to listen to podcasts when I go to listen to older
• 54:49
  podcasts I'll hear moded ads so this it's clearly not hard baked in corre
• 54:55
  yeah well it depends obviously what I want to do yeah well if you read ads
• 54:59
  yeah that's what I want us to do I want that's my preference right I mean if the
• 55:03
  listeners say they really really don't care and all we get our off is to like
• 55:07
  in the middle of this sentence there's going to be an ad for [ __ ] I don't
• 55:10
  know Casper mattresses or something is not vers Casper mattresses let's be
• 55:16
  clear I'm just using it as an example not yet not yet not yet Cas I don't know
• 55:21
  that just seems gross to me I don't I don't like them why why would I want to
• 55:24
  put them in there and then Flash 5 years in the future where this this just
• 55:28
  [ __ ] lited with ads someone someone me say this and has been interrupted by
• 55:32
  an ad here's the thing I don't mind and in fact maim bam the best part of that
• 55:38
  show was when they did the ads because they do always they do the same thing
• 55:43
  that's what I want to do if we can but I've had a couple of podcasts that I've
• 55:46
  literally stopped listening to because the ads have taken over and I don't know
• 55:50
  what algorithm or what in turn chooses the ads but like I'll be they they
• 55:56
  always add for other podcasts and it's always like are you black are you a
• 55:59
  woman well then listen to this I'm like man what happened to Target marketing you
• 56:04
  know you tick the wrong box man that's the problem yeah I ticking all the wrong
• 56:09
  boxes yeah so we we we can um where we host the show I can go in and say it'll
• 56:15
  show me the waveform and I can go this is where you put ads this is put ads
• 56:19
  here I think makes me wonder do the people posting these podcasts not go in
• 56:24
  and choose an appropriate spot or what the [ __ ] is going on there because
• 56:27
  that's that's my other question I think I have some control over that but again
• 56:31
  like I said I don't want to do any of that if we don't
• 56:34
  have we don't have to we don't have to we have patrons they're [ __ ]
• 56:38
  supporters we don't need to worry about this it's just you know if we can get
• 56:42
  some that we read ourselves I think a that would be fun yeah hopefully we can make them
• 56:48
  entertaining part of the show yeah exactly that's my goal exactly and
• 56:52
  listeners if it sucks let us know and we'll we'll either we'll decide there's
• 56:55
  podcasts that I listen to to that do ad reads that essentially are just making
• 56:58
  fun of it the product and I'm like are you going to get paid or are they going
• 57:03
  to they're going to pull this sponsorship if you keep talking like
• 57:05
  this well we'll see we'll find out yeah we we'll push that
• 57:10
  limit wonder who will be first also I'm not about putting this out there now I'm
• 57:14
  not going to talk about a thing if I don't know what it is so oh yeah the
• 57:18
  whole point that could be interesting because I'm I'm more than happy to try a
• 57:23
  product that I've never tried before even if I'm not the target for it so if
• 57:26
  if if they you know women's underwear I'll I'll wear it and I'll report
• 57:31
  back yeah I really don't think we're going to get ad women myriant is for
• 57:36
  every just a feeling I don't know what they're gonna I honestly we might not
• 57:40
  get any offers they'll listen to this and be like no
• 57:43
  yeah no we'll pass so we'll see
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