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- 0:00This is the Voices of Life podcast, where truth,
- 0:03courage, and faith meet the challenges of our
- 0:06generation. Today, we continue our series, When
- 0:11Freedom Dies, with Episode 10. The family versus
- 0:16the state who shapes the next generation, who
- 0:19carries the first responsibility for raising
- 0:21a child. These questions matter now more than
- 0:24ever, and guiding us through this vital conversation
- 0:28is your host, Pastor David. Welcome to Voices
- 0:32of Life, a ministry of the Church for Life. I'm
- 0:36Pastor David. And today, as we get into episode
- 0:3910 of the When Freedom Dies series, we enter
- 0:43into one of the most important chapters of the
- 0:45series because this deals with home. We've already
- 0:51traveled through Nicaragua, China, Spain, watching
- 0:55what happens when governments try to control
- 0:57faith, silence churches, reshape... society through
- 1:01ideology. But now we arrive at a deeper question,
- 1:05one that touches every home, every community,
- 1:09and every generation. Who has the first and greatest
- 1:14responsibility for raising children? The family
- 1:19or the state? Because whoever shapes the next
- 1:23generation shapes the future. So we'll start
- 1:27with human rights. The international human rights
- 1:29law begins With clear principle, parents have
- 1:33the primary responsibility for raising their
- 1:37children. The Universal Declaration of Human
- 1:41Rights says parents have a prior right to choose
- 1:44the kind of education that shall be given to
- 1:47their children. That's not accidental. It's foundational.
- 1:51The Convention on the Rights of a Child goes
- 1:54even further. Parents have the primary responsibility
- 1:57for upbringing and development. of the child.
- 2:03The state's role is to assist parents, not replace
- 2:08them. This is the balance the world's human rights
- 2:11framework tries to protect. The child has a right
- 2:15to an education, parents have the prior right
- 2:19to choose what kind of education, and the state
- 2:22ensures education is available. That three -way
- 2:26relationship is the heart of this episode. The
- 2:31child is not property. Here's a big thing here.
- 2:35One of the most important truths in the international
- 2:37law is this. A child is not the possession of
- 2:41the parents and not the possession of the state.
- 2:44A child is a human person with dignity, rights,
- 2:48and a future. Parents are entrusted with the
- 2:53primary responsibility to prepare the child for
- 2:55adulthood. The state protects the child's safety
- 2:58and rights, but neither institution owns the
- 3:02child. This principle is essential for understanding
- 3:07the conflict we see today. Parents, by default
- 3:14and by right, are the first educators of the
- 3:19child. The UN Committee on the Rights of Child
- 3:22called parents the first educators. And that's
- 3:25because they're there from the beginning. Before
- 3:29schools, before governments, before institutions,
- 3:32children learn language. Morality, relationships,
- 3:38responsibility, culture, religion, compassion,
- 3:48and probably the most important one, identity.
- 3:54Schools can supplement these things. They cannot
- 3:57replace the family. There's no way. The state's
- 4:02legitimate role here is to help. They're an assistant.
- 4:11This episode is not parents good, government
- 4:15bad. Government has a real responsibility. Sometimes
- 4:20some of the parents think they have more of a
- 4:21responsibility than they do, and sometimes the
- 4:23government thinks they have more of a responsibility
- 4:25than they really do. But the government does
- 4:27have the responsibility to protect children from
- 4:31abuse, ensuring access to education, regulating
- 4:36schools, providing medical care. Intervening
- 4:40when children are endangered. Now, you know,
- 4:43the one thing I have to say about, and this is,
- 4:48again, this is what the UN says, the providing
- 4:51medical care, okay, I think the medical care
- 4:54needs to be available. But just like medical
- 4:57care, psychological care, I believe that's the
- 5:01responsibility of the parent. Because the parent
- 5:05knows how that child is. That parent knows. When
- 5:10the child gets hurt. Now I'm not saying the child
- 5:13gets hurt. Of course the government is going
- 5:15to do some medical care. But a lot of times parents
- 5:18send their kids to school sick. So what does
- 5:22that do? It makes the whole classroom sick. Because
- 5:26they didn't want to take the time off of work
- 5:28and stay with their child at home or take them
- 5:32to a doctor. See that to me, that's neglect.
- 5:37I mean, that's one thing I will draw the line
- 5:39and I will say that is neglect on the parents
- 5:41part. And parents should be held accountable
- 5:45for that. If they send a child to school knowingly,
- 5:48they should be held accountable for that. Because
- 5:50that's just wrong. It's not fair to all the other
- 5:53children and then the other children's parents.
- 5:55You know, it's like you tell one person and they
- 5:57tell two people and so on. So anyway, let's get
- 6:00back to this part. The question is not whether
- 6:03government should act. The question is where.
- 6:06Legitimate protection ends and the family's autonomy
- 6:09begins. The American constitutional tradition
- 6:14is the U .S. Supreme Court has repeatedly affirmed
- 6:17parental rights. Meyer v. Nebraska, 1923. Parents
- 6:21have liberty to establish a home, bring up children,
- 6:25and direct their education. Pierce v. Society
- 6:29of Sisters, 1925. The court struck down mandatory
- 6:35public school attendance laws and declared the
- 6:38child is not the mere creature of the state.
- 6:43Kind of a funny word, but that's what they wrote.
- 6:45That's 1925. Troxel v. Granville, 2000. Parental
- 6:51authority is one of the oldest fundamental liberty
- 6:56interests. American law is clear. Parents have
- 6:59a protected liberty interest. Government cannot...
- 7:03casually override it. But parental rights are
- 7:07not unlimited. Cases like Prince v. Massachusetts
- 7:10show government can intervene to protect the
- 7:13child from harm. And that's abuse, neglect, anything
- 7:16like that. The balance remains. Parents lead.
- 7:21Government protects. Children possess rights.
- 7:24So let's talk about education in the modern battlefield.
- 7:28And yes, I hate to say it, but school these days
- 7:30is a battlefield. for a lot of different reasons.
- 7:34And I speak with authority, having been a school
- 7:37resource or DARE officer for 20 of my 25 years
- 7:41in law enforcement. So education is where the
- 7:45conflict becomes visible. Who decides what children
- 7:50are taught? There are three models. Model A,
- 7:55parent -centered. Parents choose the school,
- 7:58the curriculum, the worldview. The government
- 8:01sets the minimum academic standards. Sounds pretty
- 8:04easy. Then there's Model B, the state -centered
- 8:08one. Government determines the curriculum, the
- 8:11values, the accepted ideas, and parents have
- 8:13limited ability to opt out. Not such a good one.
- 8:18And then the one that probably makes the most
- 8:20sense, Model C partnership. Parents remain primary
- 8:24educators. Government provides schools, standards,
- 8:27and support. It's always better when you do things
- 8:31together. That does work well. International
- 8:34human rights law leans toward Model C, partnership,
- 8:38not replacing. Because replacement is just the
- 8:43wrong thing. And I know a lot of laws say loca
- 8:46parente, meaning in the absence of the parent,
- 8:49the school acts as the parent. And again, that's
- 8:52for the welfare of the child, not for changing
- 8:56curriculum, ideology, and all these other things
- 8:59that go on in some schools today going on. politically
- 9:03motivated field trips to indoctrinate children.
- 9:07I mean, there's so much stuff that goes on. And
- 9:10it makes no sense. School should be about reading,
- 9:14writing, arithmetic. Hey, if it's a magnet school,
- 9:16if it's special arts or something, they're learning
- 9:19to do music and this and that, great. But it
- 9:23should be non -ideological based, whatever that
- 9:28extracurricular activity. It could be physical
- 9:31ed, it could be sports, whatever it is. But not
- 9:33ideological and not political. When government
- 9:37tries to become the parent, this is what happens.
- 9:42History shows what happens when governments try
- 9:44to shape the child's belief. Look at Nazi Germany.
- 9:48The Hitler youth enrolled 90 % of the German
- 9:51children. 90 %! Imagine that! It's purpose, indoctrination,
- 9:58and weakening parental influence. The stake came
- 10:03first. I mean, even when Boy Scouts of America
- 10:06and Girl Scouts of America started, they didn't
- 10:08get 90 % enrollment. That just didn't happen.
- 10:13Then let's talk about communist regimes. No,
- 10:16no, no, they don't do it that way. They have
- 10:19a different way of doing this. Marxist -Leninist
- 10:21education sought to create the new socialist
- 10:25person. Religious families become obstacles to
- 10:29the ideological control. So they build everything
- 10:33into the school. Parent has no control over anything.
- 10:36And this is what their children are going to
- 10:37get. And if the parents want to bring religion
- 10:41into it, they're going to teach the kids that,
- 10:43no, you got to resist. And that's exactly what
- 10:47they do. And then there's the totalitarian governments.
- 10:51And they understand something profound. If you
- 10:54control the child, you control the future. Because
- 10:58however you shape that child, like so many Americans,
- 11:02children over the last 30 years or more have
- 11:07been i'm going to use the word radicalized by
- 11:11these ideological teachers and professors mostly
- 11:14in the colleges but but in some of the some of
- 11:16the k -12 and it really hurt the generation because
- 11:24For example, where everybody got a certificate
- 11:27of attendance or a trophy for attendance. Even,
- 11:29you know, they're competing in a sport. Oh, you
- 11:32were here, so here's a trophy. So they always
- 11:35believe that no matter what, they're always going
- 11:37to win. But that's not the way it works. You
- 11:39have to work hard to do better. And not everybody
- 11:42can win. And it's okay. It really is. Because
- 11:47what you may not be strong in, you may be strong
- 11:50in something else. That person isn't. You have
- 11:53to find your strength. You have to find what
- 11:55you're really good at. Anyway, moving on. Now,
- 12:00what happens when the parents fail? And I saw
- 12:03a lot of that. There is an opposite danger because
- 12:07parents can abuse. They can neglect. They can
- 12:12even exploit their own children. That endangers
- 12:17them. And they can even deny them education.
- 12:20I had parents say, oh, I've tried everything.
- 12:22I can't get them to go to school. and there were
- 12:25different tactics that we used to get the children
- 12:28to go to school. I think one of the best ones
- 12:31I found was arresting the parent. You arrested
- 12:36the parent, and after they spent a day in jail,
- 12:39all of a sudden that child is there in school.
- 12:42Boy, you must have learned something new that
- 12:45one night in jail. But yeah, that was a really
- 12:49good inducer. So denying education is not a good
- 12:52thing, and then refusing medical care. That's
- 12:54even worse. A child gets sick, hurt, and they
- 12:58don't get the medical care they need, and it
- 13:00could handicap them for life, or they could die
- 13:04from pneumonia or something like that. So that
- 13:08is why government intervention exists to protect
- 13:10vulnerable children. That's where your Department
- 13:12of Children's Services comes in and does things.
- 13:16So the principle cannot be... Government must
- 13:20never interfere. The principle must be government
- 13:23intervenes to protect, not to replace. Here's
- 13:26the best interest problem. Best interest of a
- 13:30child sounds so simple, but it raises a hard
- 13:34question. Who defines best? Parents, government,
- 13:38courts, schools? If government alone defines
- 13:41best, parental authority becomes symbolic. If
- 13:44parents alone define best, children's rights
- 13:47may be ignored. The real challenge is... Parental
- 13:52responsibility, children's rights, and government
- 13:54protection without allowing any one institution
- 13:57to dominate. That's that partnership we talked
- 14:00about. Now, that doesn't mean that the child
- 14:03is going to say, well, I don't want to go to
- 14:05school, so I'm not going to school, and overrides
- 14:08the parents and the government. It doesn't work
- 14:09that way either, so I just want to say that.
- 14:12Now, here for me is the pastor of the church,
- 14:15the Christian perspective. Scripture places responsibility
- 14:20for teaching children on parents. So, Deuteronomy
- 14:236 teaches God's commands daily. Proverbs 22,
- 14:29train up a child. Ephesians 6, bring children
- 14:33up in the instruction of the Lord. And Psalm
- 14:3878, tell the next generation the works of God.
- 14:43Christianity affirms legitimate civil authority.
- 14:47Romans 13, but warns against any authority claiming
- 14:52what God entrusted to the family. The conflict
- 14:57begins when one institution tries to absorb the
- 15:01rightful authority of the other. So, subsidiarity
- 15:04is a guiding principle. Subsidiarity teaches
- 15:08that responsibilities should be handled by the
- 15:12smallest competent authority. Child to family,
- 15:16family to community, school to local government,
- 15:18local government to state. Higher levels should
- 15:21assist, not replace lower levels. This principle
- 15:26appears in both Christian social teaching and
- 15:31UN interpretations of the CRC. Back to the fundamental
- 15:35question. Who has primary responsibility for
- 15:38raising children? Not the state alone, not parents
- 15:42alone, and not schools alone. The answer is,
- 15:45parents have primary responsibility for raising
- 15:50their children. Children possess inherent dignity
- 15:54and rights. Government protects and assists,
- 15:57but not replace the family. When government begins
- 16:02deciding a child's worldview, morality, religion,
- 16:05or identity, while excluding parents, the issue
- 16:09is no longer education. It becomes a question
- 16:11of liberty. Remember I said earlier that identity,
- 16:15the child's self -identity is so important. They
- 16:18have to understand that they're meaningful, they're
- 16:21valuable, and they're an individual. That means
- 16:25that, yes, they're going to learn from the parents.
- 16:27They're going to learn from the schools. They're
- 16:28going to learn from their friends. They're going
- 16:30to learn some bad things from things they watch.
- 16:33All these electronic games, things like that.
- 16:35But at the end of the day, they have to grow
- 16:38up to be the person they are. And that's also
- 16:42what's important too. But parents that model
- 16:45good moral values end up having great kids. And
- 16:49they have to be involved in their lives. You
- 16:51can't just drop them off at a babysitter. You
- 16:54can't just drop them off at school. You can't
- 16:56just not be involved. You have to be involved.
- 17:00You need to go to the parent -teacher meetings.
- 17:02You need to have a say of what goes on at the
- 17:05school and to their athletic program or whatever
- 17:07it is going to be. But music. sports, whatever
- 17:11it's going to be, but you have to have a voice
- 17:14too. And you need to speak up positively, not
- 17:19adversarily, but positively. And you'd be amazed
- 17:23on how many things can happen. Well, who teaches
- 17:26freedom? A child is not the property of the parents
- 17:30and not the property of the state. A child is
- 17:33a human being entrusted to a family. Parents
- 17:36nurture, protect, teach, and prepare that child
- 17:39for adulthood. Government helps, and when necessary,
- 17:43protects. But when does help become control?
- 17:49When does protection become power? And when does
- 17:53education become indoctrination? Because if freedom
- 17:57is going to survive into the next generation,
- 18:00someone has to teach the generation what freedom
- 18:04means. And you are the ones to do it. This is
- 18:07Voices of Life, When Freedom Dies series. I'm
- 18:11Pastor David. Thank you for listening. This has
- 18:14been episode 10, and we'll be returning with
- 18:17episode 11 next week. Until then, may wisdom
- 18:21guide you, may courage strengthen you, and may
- 18:25God bless your life. We'll see you next time.
- 18:28You've been listening to the Voices of Life podcast
- 18:30and our series, When Freedom Dies. If today's
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- 18:44into the forces shaping our future with episode
- 18:4811, Property, Charity, and Christianity. Until
- 18:53then, stand firm, stay free, and may God bless
- 18:57your life.