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Credlin | 21 October · Credlin

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  Speaker 1: Peter Credlin, live from News 24.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening. Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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  Speaker 2: tonight on Credlin. That very sad update this afternoon from
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  Speaker 2: the family of critically injured MP Helen Haynes from the
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  Speaker 2: Alfred in Melbourne about an hour ago, confirming earlier today
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  Speaker 2: that the grandmother has lost her other leg following that
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  Speaker 2: amputation on Monday night. More from her husband in a
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  Speaker 2: moment as he was joined with the media by the
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  Speaker 2: Governor-General at his request. On the cusp of an election,
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  Speaker 2: the brazen push by Victorian Labor to rush through planning amendments,
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  Speaker 2: stripping councils of power and paving the way for massive
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  Speaker 2: new wind farms across country Victoria. And the Premier Ben
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  Speaker 2: Carroll today admitting he drove off without paying for his
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  Speaker 2: petrol on Monday night. chased up by a service station
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  Speaker 2: the day later. We'll cross live to London for an
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  Speaker 2: historian's take on protests playing out across Europe, including the
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  Speaker 2: tough line taken by Hungary and Poland, saying they will
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  Speaker 2: not go down the French path. And Phil Haynes, as
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  Speaker 2: I said, the husband of Helen, speaking to the media
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  Speaker 2: for the first time since the horrific incident on Monday.
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  Speaker 2: But the good news in all this is Helen is alive.
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  Speaker 3: And she's stable.
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  Speaker 4: That is the most important thing for our family.
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  Speaker 2: But first, what happened to Helen Haynes is absolutely catastrophic
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  Speaker 2: for her personally and those who love her. But it
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  Speaker 2: also presents a terrible risk to the open movement currently
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  Speaker 2: enjoyed by our political leaders in the communities they represent. Rightly,
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  Speaker 2: there are calls to re-evaluate the security provided to politicians
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  Speaker 2: and to demand more civil debate. Well, fair enough. But
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  Speaker 2: it's a bit rich for the Prime Minister to call
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  Speaker 2: for the temperature to be lowered when his own office
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  Speaker 2: is accused of circulating a dirt sheet about the critically
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  Speaker 2: injured MP after she criticised his $ 6 million grant to
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  Speaker 2: a local golf course that's just 200 metres from the
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  Speaker 2: back fence of his Marrickville home.
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  Speaker 5: The dirt file that the Labor people put on many
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  Speaker 5: politicians who may go against the Albanese Labor government, what
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  Speaker 5: they're doing, is wrong.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I think it goes to the character of the
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  Speaker 6: Prime Minister and his office that they seek to denigrate
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  Speaker 6: the reputation of Helen Haynes with the media to get
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  Speaker 6: a bad story up. simply because she was asking legitimate
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  Speaker 6: questions about why he was awarding $ 6. 05 million to the
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  Speaker 6: Marrickville Golf Club, that that was their first response to.
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  Speaker 2: Now, those hearings began today in the Parliament. Bridget McKenzie
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  Speaker 2: was there. She'll join me a little later. But as
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  Speaker 2: reported today in a post by Drew Pavlou, metadata information
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  Speaker 2: contained within the dirt sheet confirmed it was written by
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  Speaker 2: someone under the account name of Lloyd Joshua. And the
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  Speaker 2: account was connected to the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet. Well,
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  Speaker 2: the records show that one Joshua Lloyd is the Deputy
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  Speaker 2: Director of Communications in the Prime Minister's office. Never one, though,
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  Speaker 2: to admit fold, as we know. Today, the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: repeatedly dodged direct questions on this from my colleague, Kieran Gilbert.
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  Speaker 8: Were you aware or give approval to your office to
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  Speaker 8: distribute to the press gallery information about Helen Haynes, about
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  Speaker 8: grants that she'd sought after she criticised you over the
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  Speaker 8: $ 6 million Marrickville grant?
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  Speaker 3: Helen Haynes is a good local member.
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  Speaker 9: She puts forward applications like other members do for grants.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what good local members do.
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  Speaker 8: So did the office send that out? Do you regret
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  Speaker 8: that in hindsight, given the events of recent days?
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  Speaker 3: Well, Helen Haynes is a strong advocate for her community.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, answer the question, Albanese. Now, Haynes was right
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  Speaker 2: to raise a red flag over his integrity, given the
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  Speaker 2: grant was announced six months before his government had even
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  Speaker 2: set up a process to look at the funding. No
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  Speaker 2: less a legal authority than constitutional expert Professor Anne Toomey
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  Speaker 2: labelled the $ 560 million program as grey corruption in her
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  Speaker 2: evidence to the parliamentary inquiry that began today. But as
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  Speaker 2: much as this exposes the Prime Minister's hypocrisy over Haynes,
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  Speaker 2: it goes to much deeper things. It speaks about both
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  Speaker 2: his character and the ideological bent of modern Labor. Take
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  Speaker 2: your mind back to the immediate aftermath of last December's
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  Speaker 2: terror attack in Bondi. Remember how slow the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: was to address the horror of radical Islam the police
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  Speaker 2: will allege inspired the massacre. Remember how conspicuously absent he
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  Speaker 2: was from Sydney, apart from those flowers he laid the
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  Speaker 2: following morning before he slipped away and, of course, the
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  Speaker 2: crowd was disquiet about his attendance, to say the least.
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  Speaker 2: He flew back then to Canberra, holing up at his
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  Speaker 2: office and avoiding the trauma that beset Sydney and our nation.
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  Speaker 2: CHEERING Back then, Albanese failed the test of prime ministers
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  Speaker 2: before him who were always courageous enough to hold a
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  Speaker 2: press conference in the midst of a crisis to do
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  Speaker 2: their best to reassure the public while taking responsibility as
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  Speaker 2: every leader must. But not so this man. It's always
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  Speaker 2: the fault of others as he continues to expose himself
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  Speaker 2: as one of the weakest individuals to ever occupy the Lodge.
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  Speaker 2: As soon as the political leanings of the alleged Haynes attacker,
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  Speaker 2: Brendan Nugent, appeared to show him as an individual with
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  Speaker 2: a leftist ideology, Albanese quickly pivoted into using the attack
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  Speaker 2: on the well-liked MP as an argument for his digital
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  Speaker 2: duty of care legislation. And yet, as we can see
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  Speaker 2: from charges laid against Nugent today, police already have all
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  Speaker 2: the powers they need to deal with what's alleged to
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  Speaker 2: have occurred.
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  Speaker 10: He will face three charges. The first is a Commonwealth
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  Speaker 10: charge of causing harm to a Commonwealth public official. Second
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  Speaker 10: two offences are state offences. The first of intentionally causing
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  Speaker 10: serious harm. And the second, dangerous driving causing serious harm.
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  Speaker 2: That was a press conference earlier today. That's the head
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  Speaker 2: of Victorian Police. But in that press conference, there was
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  Speaker 2: no suggestion from police that indicate Haynes received online threats
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  Speaker 2: from Nugent. In this case, so far as we can
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  Speaker 2: tell and has been put out there by police, his
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  Speaker 2: alleged violence against the member for Indi was of the
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  Speaker 2: physical threat type well known to authorities. Yet the commentary
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  Speaker 2: from the Prime Minister and senior ministers like Tony Burke
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  Speaker 2: has focused almost exclusively on the online threat environment in
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  Speaker 2: the aftermath of the Haynes attack.
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  Speaker 9: Many of the threats and criticisms and abuse that women
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  Speaker 9: have to endure, unfortunately, or are enduring, they shouldn't, but
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  Speaker 9: are sexualised in their nature. And Katie Gallagher and Tania
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  Speaker 9: Plibersek and others have outlined that. Annika Wells, the Minister
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  Speaker 9: for Communications. You know, I'm very conscious that the nature
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  Speaker 9: of those threats can be different.
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  Speaker 2: On and on he went. But where's the consistency from
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  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister? I mean, right now in this country,
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  Speaker 2: we've got radical imams spewing hate-filled sermons out of mosques
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  Speaker 2: and prayer halls into the bedrooms of teenagers.
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  Speaker 7: By Allah, the.
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  Speaker 4: Day you will be kicked out of Palestine is coming.
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  Speaker 7: A day when the stones and the trees will speak
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  Speaker 7: and say, O Muslim, there is a Jew behind me.
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  Speaker 1: Come and kill him.
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  Speaker 2: ASIO reports approximately 300 people are currently in programs to
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  Speaker 2: try and counter violent extremism. with well over 200 of
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  Speaker 2: them reported as having no change in their concern levels,
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  Speaker 2: underscoring that the efficacy of these programs is near non-existent
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  Speaker 2: and that's in line with experience overseas. Where is the
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  Speaker 2: online removal of this hate? Where are these preachers locked up?
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  Speaker 2: Where is the deportation of those we can send home?
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  Speaker 2: In September, Mohamed Barkeed was arrested in Melbourne and charged
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  Speaker 2: with five terrorism offences, including the online dissemination of 10,000 files,
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  Speaker 2: including execution videos, suicide bombing footage and guides to carry
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  Speaker 2: out mass casualty attacks. Now, unbelievably, Barkeed has been bailed.
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  Speaker 2: In a week's time, the convicted ISIS terrorist, Isaac L. Matari,
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  Speaker 2: will also be released onto the streets unless the Albanese
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  Speaker 2: government can get its act together and keep him in prison.
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  Speaker 2: Don't bother asking questions because the government won't tell you
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  Speaker 2: anything out of respect for the terrorist's privacy and I
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  Speaker 2: kid you not.
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  Speaker 11: Home Affairs today, I've been informed, have refused to answer
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  Speaker 11: questions whether the Commonwealth is representing the people of Australia
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  Speaker 11: to keep this person in beyond his sentence because of
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  Speaker 11: privacy concerns. Now, they're taking the privacy concerns of a
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  Speaker 11: convicted terrorist above the rights of Australians to know whether
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  Speaker 11: one of our most prolific terrorists is going to be
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  Speaker 11: free in about 12 days' time.
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  Speaker 2: We have another preacher, the Melbourne man, Samir Abu Hamza Mokhtari,
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  Speaker 2: that I exposed here last week, whose organisation is still
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  Speaker 2: set to pick up $ 600, 000 of your money to help
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  Speaker 2: build Australia's largest Islamic centre in Melbourne's northern suburbs, despite
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  Speaker 2: his sermons condoning the rape and beating of wives and
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  Speaker 2: foul references about Jews. Now, any other PM with a
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  Speaker 2: backbone would immediately suspend funding to anyone with views like
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  Speaker 2: that that are so at odds with Australian values, let
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  Speaker 2: alone the allegations made by the UAE foreign minister connecting
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  Speaker 2: his local Muslim organisation to the co-pilot who's claimed to
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  Speaker 2: have been responsible for the attempted hijack of that fly-to-buy airline. Now,
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  Speaker 2: thank goodness, at least Liberal leader Jess Wilson's got a spine.
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  Speaker 6: We say to the planning minister, do not approve this
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  Speaker 6: planning permit.
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  Speaker 12: Do not do so before the election. I will not
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  Speaker 12: allow this to proceed.
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  Speaker 13: I will not approve this planning permit and we will
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  Speaker 13: not see another taxpayer dollar go to this centre.
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  Speaker 2: Labor likes to talk tough about the online world when
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  Speaker 2: it needs to change the conversation and seeks ever more
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  Speaker 2: draconian laws to curb free speech, but does nothing about
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  Speaker 2: the clear and present danger of radical Islam that's already
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  Speaker 2: metastasizing online and can be brought under control with existing laws,
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  Speaker 2: provided political leaders have the spine to use them. But
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  Speaker 2: what can we expect from a Prime Minister that never
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  Speaker 2: even prepared a submission for the Bondi Royal Commission into
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  Speaker 2: our worst ever terror attack, as recent FOI documents show?
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  Speaker 2: Nor has he ever fronted to give public testimony in
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  Speaker 2: the way that countless predecessors, former Prime Ministers, have to
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  Speaker 2: pass inquiries. But he's not alone. Yesterday's stunt of a
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  Speaker 2: staged photo-op involving the AFP Commissioner Chrissie Barrett in Melbourne,
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  Speaker 2: alongside the PM, Burke, and her Victorian police counterpart, Mike Bush,
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  Speaker 2: plus the embattled Victorian Premier, Ben Carroll, well, that speaks
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  Speaker 2: to everything that's wrong with politics in this country. Here
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  Speaker 2: was Barrett, herself also a Bondi no-show, being used to
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  Speaker 2: help Carroll look like a leader in a fiercely fought
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  Speaker 2: state election, when she would have been better off back
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  Speaker 2: in Canberra in the war room alongside the boss of
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  Speaker 2: ASIO getting briefed before the return of federal parliament next week.
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  Speaker 2: The fact that Netball Australia gave evidence under oath to
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  Speaker 2: Commissioner Bell and we saw nothing of Barrett says everything
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  Speaker 2: about the performative use of uniforms and useful idiots by
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  Speaker 2: the Albanese government. And don't even get me started on
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  Speaker 2: the spineless Carol who even this week as that shocking
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  Speaker 2: sermon from Abu Hamza resurfaced still refuses to cancel the
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  Speaker 2: taxpayer largesse that he's paying out to Hamza's Melbourne Muslim
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  Speaker 2: group called My Centre. Now, all we want as Australians
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  Speaker 2: is for police to enforce the laws they already have,
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  Speaker 2: for judges to err on the side of community safety
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  Speaker 2: and for our leaders to lead. We're a bit jumpy
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  Speaker 2: with the button tonight, fellas. All right, let's go to
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  Speaker 2: camera now for the headlines with our political reporter, Trudy McIntosh.
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  Speaker 12: Good evening.
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  Speaker 14: Helen Haynes, alleged attacker, has faced court for the first time.
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  Speaker 14: Brendan Nugent didn't apply for bail and will remain in
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  Speaker 14: custody until his next appearance in February. Police are not
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  Speaker 14: ruling out further charges. The Prime Minister is hoping the
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  Speaker 14: attack on the independent MP doesn't change how politicians can
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  Speaker 14: interact with the community. Security briefings were held today for
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  Speaker 14: MPs who are unsettled by the horrific act of violence.
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  Speaker 9: And this is an opportunity for people who feel anxious
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  Speaker 9: to be able to ask questions as well of the
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  Speaker 9: security agency.
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  Speaker 2: Are we safe, you know, in our own community?
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  Speaker 15: But it's sort of like a dark cloud, I think,
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  Speaker 15: hanging over all of us at the moment.
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  Speaker 14: It's been revealed around one person a week is being
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  Speaker 14: charged by police with threats directed at MPs.
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  Speaker 12: Of course it's concerning. It is one of our biggest
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  Speaker 12: parts of the business. We have extensive resources dedicated to
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  Speaker 12: that work.
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  Speaker 14: The Prime Minister has sidestepped questions about why his office
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  Speaker 14: had shopped around a so-called dirt sheet about Helen Haynes
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  Speaker 14: earlier this year when she was key to prosecuting the
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  Speaker 14: case about government pork barrelling.
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  Speaker 8: So did the office send that out? Do you regret
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  Speaker 8: that in hindsight given the events of recent days?
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  Speaker 9: Well, Helen Haynes is a strong advocate for her community
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  Speaker 9: and she advocates for funding.
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  Speaker 15: Yeah, they were seeking to undermine her because she was
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  Speaker 15: asking those questions. Well, you know, that's something that I
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  Speaker 15: think the Prime Minister needs to reflect on.
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  Speaker 2: Any dirt shit on Helen Haynes would be pretty dim.
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  Speaker 14: Trudy McIntosh, News 24, Canberra.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's bring in the panel now. News24 host James
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  Speaker 2: Morrow and our senior reporter from Sydney, Carolyn Marcus. Well, James,
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  Speaker 2: I want to go to the hypocrisy today we saw
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  Speaker 2: from the Prime Minister. So he says since Monday night,
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  Speaker 2: let's turn down the temperature. He has, to be fair
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  Speaker 2: to the Prime Minister, said that in the past as well.
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  Speaker 2: But we know that his office... distributed that dirt sheet
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  Speaker 2: on Helen Haynes after she had the temerity to raise
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  Speaker 2: questions about the $ 6 million that went to his mates
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  Speaker 2: at the golf course long before there was ever a
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  Speaker 2: process to award the money. And we know it's fair
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  Speaker 2: income because of the metadata in the document now confirmed
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  Speaker 2: as coming out of Prime Minister and Cabinet and connected
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  Speaker 2: to an individual on the payroll in the Prime Minister's
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  Speaker 2: own personal office.
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  Speaker 7: Peter, this is, what's the old saying? Your tax dollars
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  Speaker 7: at work. And I think that this gets to the
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  Speaker 7: absolute heart of why people are so mistrustful of Anthony
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  Speaker 7: Albanese in particular, but also more broadly the political class.
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  Speaker 7: Because what we just saw here today, we lifted the
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  Speaker 7: rock up and we saw the way that things work,
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  Speaker 7: you know, underneath the surface in Canberra, the whole dark
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  Speaker 7: arts thing These dirt sheets is the polite term for
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  Speaker 7: them that people send out, governments send out about their opposition.
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  Speaker 7: But anybody asking uncomfortable questions, even somebody like Helen Haynes,
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  Speaker 7: who is known as an absolute pillar of integrity, suggesting,
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  Speaker 7: you know, with all sorts of insinuations that there was
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  Speaker 7: something wrong with grants that she was involved in, all
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  Speaker 7: again as a distraction and a warning about going after
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  Speaker 7: the prime minister for this $ 6 million that was announced
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  Speaker 7: before the program even got underway for the golf course
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  Speaker 7: down the road from his house. It stinks, and I
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  Speaker 7: think Albanese has absolutely zero credibility on this, and when
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  Speaker 7: he tells people to turn down the temperature, You know,
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  Speaker 7: he's not talking about himself. He'll keep playing hardball as
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  Speaker 7: long as he needs to. He's just trying to get
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  Speaker 7: the other side to cool it and shut up.
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  Speaker 2: And push his digital duty of care.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Just before I go to Caroline, I want to point
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  Speaker 2: out something very interesting. We saw it first on Monday night.
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  Speaker 2: We saw it again yesterday in that photo opportunity involving
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  Speaker 2: the Premier in Victoria.
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  Speaker 12: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: There's been a subtle shift in the three-flag ideology of
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  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister. He's always had this Monday night, you
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  Speaker 2: can see the Australian flag is in the middle. He's
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  Speaker 2: always had the Australian flag out to the left flank.
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  Speaker 2: It's long been criticised by my viewers, not only that
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  Speaker 2: there are three flags, but that the Australian flag has
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  Speaker 2: always been out on the edge. That's his normal layout.
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  Speaker 2: But he made that decision on Monday night. That's been changed,
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  Speaker 2: replicated again. That's what it normally looks like there, whether
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  Speaker 2: you've got the Australian flag out there on the side.
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  Speaker 2: Change of heart, James, ever since Monday night. What's going
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  Speaker 2: on here?
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  Speaker 7: It's pretty interesting, isn't it? You know, this is not
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  Speaker 7: a government that I would... really ranks high on the
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  Speaker 7: protocol or patriotism stakes. Now, according to the PM &
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  Speaker 7: C' s own guidance, actually, the place of honor for the
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  Speaker 7: Australian flag is on the left. from the perspective of
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  Speaker 7: the viewer. I was just looking at that and confirming
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  Speaker 7: that a little while ago. But it's interesting that he's
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  Speaker 7: put it in the center now. I think that he's
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  Speaker 7: going against protocol or his office is going against protocol,
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  Speaker 7: but somehow trying to say, oh, hey, hey, hey, hey,
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  Speaker 7: we are the patriotic, wrap ourselves in the flag, national
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  Speaker 7: unity party. But I'll tell you what, if they really
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  Speaker 7: wanted to do something about national unity and flags, they'd
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  Speaker 7: get rid of the other two.
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  Speaker 2: You are right about the protocol point. I think I've
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  Speaker 2: pointed that out to people when they've sent me an email.
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  Speaker 2: But I think he's copying a lot of criticism for
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  Speaker 2: the fact that when you do that tight shot, James,
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  Speaker 2: you're not seeing the Australian flag. You're seeing predominantly the
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  Speaker 2: Aboriginal flag.
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  Speaker 4: I think he's.
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  Speaker 2: Responding to polling. I think he's responding to polling on
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  Speaker 2: that one. Let's go to criticism today, Caroline. The Islamophobia
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  Speaker 2: Special Envoy, and I have italics around that term, I
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  Speaker 2: don't like it at all, he's pretty cranky about needing
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  Speaker 2: to have a definition on the table with universities by
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  Speaker 2: January the 1st next year. And, of course, I'll give
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  Speaker 2: you a comment here now from UAE political analyst Amjid Taha,
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  Speaker 2: who I spoke to in June in London, about the
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  Speaker 2: whole concept of of Islamophobia. Have a listen.
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  Speaker 16: The moment they criticise those Islamists, those Muslim Brotherhood, they
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  Speaker 16: will call them Islamophobia. But that terminology itself, it was
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  Speaker 16: created by the Muslim Brotherhood's radical Islamists, is to censor
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  Speaker 16: your right to criticise those and is to stop you
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  Speaker 16: from doing so.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Carolina Muslim Scholar rejecting the term of Islamophobia. So
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  Speaker 2: why are we going down this path?
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  Speaker 17: I mean, I think Amjad really belled the cat here
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  Speaker 17: that this idea, this concept of Islamophobia has really been
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  Speaker 17: manufactured to silence criticism about radical Islam, and Australia should
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  Speaker 17: have no part of that. The Islamophobia Envoy's position itself
• 21:37
  Speaker 17: was only created after October 7 because the government was
• 21:42
  Speaker 17: too gutless to appoint an anti-Semitism envoy, which was desperately needed,
• 21:47
  Speaker 17: by itself. It wanted to appoint envoys.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: for.
• 21:50
  Speaker 17: Both kinds of hatred. And so it actually delayed the
• 21:54
  Speaker 17: appointment of Gillian Siegel for it to find someone for
• 21:57
  Speaker 17: the Islamophobia envoy role. So that's the first thing you
• 22:00
  Speaker 17: need to know about that position. The other thing is
• 22:02
  Speaker 17: the timeframe that universities have been given to come up
• 22:05
  Speaker 17: with a definition of Islamophobia is more than six months.
• 22:10
  Speaker 17: They've had since July. They've got to come up with
• 22:13
  Speaker 17: one from January. And the fact that this still isn't
• 22:15
  Speaker 17: enough time, according to this envoy, tells you everything you
• 22:19
  Speaker 17: need to know about it. And the final point I'll
• 22:21
  Speaker 17: make is is that a phobia is meant to be
• 22:23
  Speaker 17: an irrational fear about something, you know, maybe small spaces
• 22:28
  Speaker 17: or heights that doesn't relate to the real risk. Whereas
• 22:31
  Speaker 17: I would argue that the fear of radical Islam, which
• 22:35
  Speaker 17: has proven to be very real to Western societies, including
• 22:39
  Speaker 17: here in Australia after Bondi, is entirely justifiable and entirely rational.
• 22:45
  Speaker 17: So I think we shouldn't be part of any definition
• 22:49
  Speaker 17: of this and giving it any sort of legitimacy at all.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: I could not agree with you more, particularly on that
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: last point. about a phobia. It's not a phobia to
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: fear radical Islam. Absolutely not. Let's go to that shocking
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: bad luck, let's call it, for Ben Carroll in Victoria,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: if I can, James. He fills up the tank with
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: petrol on Monday night. He drives off. forgets to pay.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: A car is obviously registered with Premier and Cabinet. They
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: make contact or the servo makes contact with them. He
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: gets a call, mate, you forgot to pay for your petrol.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Off he goes and pays for it. I assume Victorians
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: are actually paying for the petrol. It's not coming out
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: of his own pocket. It happens on the same day
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: as the RACV has gone out and said over the
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: last three months alone we've had 8,000 flat tyres. These
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: are blowouts from potholes. And 71% of people that responded
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: to the survey said this is the biggest concern they
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: have now in relation to road safety. And every one
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: of those people with a blowout, they are a voter.
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: That's right, Peter, and that's expensive business if you've ever
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: hit a pothole, particularly if you've got low-profile tires or
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: something like that. It's really pricey. You're blowing out tires.
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: You're busting rims, and it's not getting any better under labor.
• 24:13
  Speaker 7: A few years ago, I did a big drive through
• 24:15
  Speaker 7: country Victoria from one end to the other on my
• 24:18
  Speaker 7: way to South Australia. And the state of country roads,
• 24:21
  Speaker 7: even back then, it was rainy that summer. And it was,
• 24:25
  Speaker 7: I felt like I was back in Kenya. It reminded
• 24:27
  Speaker 7: me of the roads in Kenya when I was there.
• 24:31
  Speaker 7: And it was, you know, the shoulders were falling off
• 24:33
  Speaker 7: the sides. In many places, it was only one and
• 24:35
  Speaker 7: a half lanes between the two. So really terrifying stuff.
• 24:39
  Speaker 7: The fact that a state government cannot fix roads, that's
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: like the basic thing that a state government has to
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: do in terms of service delivery. And it's just another
• 24:48
  Speaker 7: reason to hope that this pathetic, incompetent government, Peter, gets
• 24:52
  Speaker 7: turfed out next month.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: And credit here to the Liberals. I think I've got
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: a picture to put up on the screen. He forgot
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: to pay for the petrol at his local station in
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Nidri on Monday night.
• 25:05
  Speaker 7: Look at that.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: They've already got ads up there saying, hey, Ben, don't
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: forget to pay. Victorians are sick of paying for labour.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: I think it's a cracker. That's a quick turnaround there
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: by the Liberal campaign team. Thank you to you both.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: We'll see you next week. Let's go now to the
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: corner that the Prime Minister sort of painted himself into
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: following that attack on Helen Haynes. Won't admit to the
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: dirt file that's been circulated. It has been proven today
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: to have come from his office, but still he's shameless.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: He's out there calling for a more respectful political debate
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: in Australia. Here to discuss this and more, Victorian Senator
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Bridget McKenzie. Well, you know, I'm sorry. You know, it
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: has been a traumatic week for everyone. You, staff in
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Parliament House, I particularly think of the staff tonight, Bridget. But,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, Australians look at this bloke and say, stop
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: talking out of both sides of your mouth.
• 26:05
  Speaker 12: Oh, I hear you, Peter.
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: I mean, honestly, don't look at what people say. Look
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: at what they do. And when this Prime Minister was
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: confronted by Kieran Gilbert today with the fact that his
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: office had shopped around a dirt file on Helen Haynes, why?
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: Simply because she'd actually had the courage. to put on
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: the public record her concerns with the $ 6.
• 26:35
  Speaker 12: 05 million grant to Marrickville Golf Club. What was his
• 26:39
  Speaker 12: first response?
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: Was to actually shop out a dirt file to trash
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: her reputation with the media, to get a negative story
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: up on her.
• 26:47
  Speaker 10: So.
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: Look at what people do. Don't look at what they say.
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: It's very easy to have empathy. It's very easy to say,
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: let's take the temperature down. Meanwhile, the Prime Minister and
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: his office are actually taking action to trash Helen Haynes'
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: reputation in that same moment.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: You were in the Senate inquiry today. It kicked off, obviously,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: into the $ 560 million grants program. And we heard evidence
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: on the back of that submission, of course, from Anne Toomey,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: calling it grey corruption. I mean, she went into sort
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: of quite significant constitutional detail about all the ways in
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: which she would regard this is completely out of line
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: for a federal government to run these programs as they have.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: What else did you make of today's evidence?
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: Well, I think the main thing out of today's evidence
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: was that, you know, integrity experts and Toomey but also
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: Geoffrey Watson said slammed these closed invite-only grant programs run
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: by the government where an announcement is made and then
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: the department is retrospectively writing guidelines so that... you know,
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: all of those election commitments actually fit inside these very
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: loose guidelines. I did ask Professor Toomey how it would
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: be possible to fail to meet the guidelines, given they
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: were actually written post the election coming down.
• 28:28
  Speaker 12: There were a number of other issues.
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: The infrastructure department in the guidelines, I think it's guideline 13.4,
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: tells proponents of the grant program that they can't discuss
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: the details of their project or conversations with the department
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: without the written approval of the department itself. I found
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: that type of non-disclosure framework incredibly troubling when it comes
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: to transparency. And we also had the mayor... in Anthony
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: Albanese's seat come before us. They are hosting the grant
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: for the Marrickville Golf Club. What is it now, October?
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: The announcement was made a long time ago, May 2025.
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: April last year. And we still haven't seen the application.
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: So my question is how did you know it was
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: going to cost $ 6.
• 29:21
  Speaker 12: 05 million 18 months ago? because we still haven't got
• 29:27
  Speaker 12: the design done.
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: It also is supposed to include sewerage. Turns out New
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: South Wales governments pay for the sewerage. So a lot
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: of questions to come. We've got the infrastructure department tomorrow,
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: Prime Minister. and Cabinet, so we will be following up
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: with them around the lists, who was in, who was out.
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: But I think the main thing was it's not competitive,
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: it's not open, it's not transparent, it's not public. Huge
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: concerns about the transparency of this grant program.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll come back to tomorrow after tomorrow's hearings, obviously, Bridge,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: but I'm interested in the fact that the department was
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: not involved in the list of potential applicants. The applicants
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: were mostly announced during the campaign period when the government's
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: in caretaker. So there's no probity and oversight from the
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: public servants. And of course... We know it was a
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: closed shop program anyway. You had to be tapped on
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: the shoulder to get the money. And I've played from
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: middle of last year quite extraordinary Facebook footage from that
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: mayor that you've had in the stand today basically saying
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: we've got our $ 6 million from the Prime Minister, now
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: let's run off and decide what we're going to spend
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: it on. So it was a blank cheque. It's clear
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: it was a blank cheque. And I'm not surprised there's
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: been no application to date. Hey, I've got to ask
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: you about the front page of the Weekly Times today
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: in Victoria. This is huge. Victoria Labor is ramming through
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: as they head to the election a whole lot of
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: planning amendments. This is ahead of Caretaker. Caretaker will start
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: next weekend. And this is to override planning permissions. They're
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: pushing on with these huge wind turbines near Warwick, Nabil.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: There's 200-odd turbines there. The local community, the mayor's in
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: the Weekly Times today, they have not been consulted. I
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: spoke to Jess Wilson on Monday about the plans for
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: this massive Islamic school in Melbourne. She says, if I'm elected,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: I'll tear it up. I'm not going to cop these
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: plans being approved by Labor, you know, at the 11th hour.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: But you're a country MP. I mean, this is not
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: going to wash.
• 31:40
  Speaker 12: No way, Peter.
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: You know, the Wimmer is saying no to this, the Warwick-Nabil.
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: Energy Zone is a 26,000 hectare project. The community has
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: not been consulted. Their rights have been stripped away. Their
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: appeal rights have.
• 31:55
  Speaker 12: Been stripped away.
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: And I think Emma Keeley, the National Party MP and
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: Deputy Leader, local member there, I've spoken to her today,
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: they are going to be reviewing these decisions. And unless
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: a shovel is in the ground post this election, these
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: projects will not be continuing. because the community hasn't had
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: a say. We don't understand the social, economic or environmental
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: impacts because the minister is more interested in rushing through
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: these projects prior to losing government than actually allowing communities
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: and individuals to have their say. And so I'm very
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: proud of the National Party with their Liberal colleagues, being
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: prepared to stand up against these projects with their community
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: and get a better outcome where communities are properly consulted.
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: And there's buffer zones, et cetera, which is all part
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: of our plan.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Bridget, thank you. I look forward to following you tomorrow
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: and taking up the fight for the poor old taxpayer
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: on this grants program. Thank you for your time. All right,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: quick break after the break. We're going to go to
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: the historian that I love, Rafe. I'm going to talk
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: about everything that's playing out in Europe. The warnings, obviously,
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: for Australia. But Poland in particular today, a shot across
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: the bow in relation to huge levels of migration. They
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: say it will not be allowed in their country after
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: the break.
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: Welcome back.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Let's get into those continuing issues plaguing Europe. We saw
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: the riots, obviously, over the weekend, and there have been more,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: although I must say, Giorgio Maloney in Milan has got
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: the whole of the Duomo ringed with police and vehicles.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Nothing much is happening there, thank goodness. But it's reignited
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: a whole debate that we are having in Australia about
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: about the loss of Western civilisation, our culture, the fight
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: about open borders and the failure to address difficult social
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: issues and tensions that we have seen here building, of course,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: since Bondi and October 7. Here to give us his take,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: UK historian Rafe Hadall-Mercou. Rafe, thank you for your time.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Great to have you on the program. You're in the
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: hot seat over there. I was going to say in Europe,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: but of course you're not. You're in Britain and thankfully
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: you're out of the EU, at least for the moment.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Give me your assessment on the weekend and the fallout since.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: Well, what can I say? You know, I'm a Europhile,
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: even if I'm not a European.
• 34:39
  Speaker 18: And all I could think of was, you know, in
• 34:42
  Speaker 18: ancient times, well, for hundreds of years, cities had big
• 34:46
  Speaker 18: walls around them to keep the barbarians and the, you know,
• 34:49
  Speaker 18: the brutish hordes out of civilization. And now, of course,
• 34:53
  Speaker 18: thanks to open borders, the enemy has not only entered,
• 34:56
  Speaker 18: they've been welcomed in. and they now are embedded in
• 35:00
  Speaker 18: the core of our cities. And this is not just
• 35:03
  Speaker 18: happening in France. We may have a longer fuse in Britain,
• 35:07
  Speaker 18: but that fuse has already been lit here too. This
• 35:10
  Speaker 18: is a contagion. You've seen the scenes that you now
• 35:13
  Speaker 18: see in Italy, and this is going to spread elsewhere. Germany, Belgium,
• 35:17
  Speaker 18: they all suffer from these same problems. And that's why
• 35:20
  Speaker 18: it's so ironic when you see someone like President Macron
• 35:23
  Speaker 18: addressing the nation, asking, How could French people do this
• 35:27
  Speaker 18: to France, he asked. Well, look, let's call this out.
• 35:30
  Speaker 18: There's nothing French about the scenes that we saw. And
• 35:34
  Speaker 18: there's nothing French about many of those people who were,
• 35:36
  Speaker 18: you know, gleefully participating in this. Proust, Voltaire, Debussy, Cezanne
• 35:43
  Speaker 18: mean nothing to these people. And a lot of people say, oh, well,
• 35:46
  Speaker 18: the French always do this sort of thing. It's part
• 35:48
  Speaker 18: of their revolutionary DNA. Whenever you saw French people take
• 35:52
  Speaker 18: to the streets, it was to improve their society, even
• 35:55
  Speaker 18: if they went about it in violent ways.
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: This was nihilistic.
• 35:58
  Speaker 18: This was an attack on beauty, the destruction of the
• 36:03
  Speaker 18: Limoges Town Hall. And this, of course, was an attack
• 36:06
  Speaker 18: on France and Western civilisations.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: I think that's what's upset so many of us around
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: the world, that Paris in particular is a city of beauty.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: La Manche is beautiful as well, but Paris is a
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: standout city. And to see so much destruction to monuments
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: that have survived world wars... at the hands of citizens
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: and migrant arrivals is heartbreaking. And, of course, I've seen
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: plenty of footage of Jewish businesses targeted. There are reports
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: that the rioters had lists of people to go after,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: places and streets where there were synagogue and Jewish traders.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: But also I have seen footage where they've gone to
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: a store that was run by a Muslim woman and
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: she's there in Muslim garb and they're saying, you know,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: she is a sister, do not attack, this business. That's
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: also very disturbing.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 37:01
  Speaker 18: What we have here is a story which we're all
• 37:04
  Speaker 18: too familiar with. There's an alliance between the hard left.
• 37:08
  Speaker 18: It's now called the ultra left. It's funny, you never
• 37:10
  Speaker 18: hear about the ultra right. Everything is far right, but
• 37:13
  Speaker 18: they're drawing a distinction between the far left and the
• 37:15
  Speaker 18: ultra left and the Islamic extremists and those people who
• 37:20
  Speaker 18: are dispossessed the ethnic criminal gangs and the ethnic youth
• 37:24
  Speaker 18: living in these banlieues, these terrible ghettos, they've all joined
• 37:28
  Speaker 18: forces together. We see the same thing happening across Europe.
• 37:32
  Speaker 18: If you look in, as you said, they had lists
• 37:35
  Speaker 18: of Jewish businesses. As far as I know, no Muslim
• 37:38
  Speaker 18: businesses in Paris were attacked here at all. In the
• 37:41
  Speaker 18: UK now, there's been a schism within the Islamic community.
• 37:44
  Speaker 18: The older Muslims have stuck with the traditional Labour Party,
• 37:47
  Speaker 18: but the younger Muslims, the radicals, the Islamists... They have
• 37:51
  Speaker 18: basically taken over the Green Party in Britain because they've
• 37:55
  Speaker 18: realised on their own these Muslims don't have enough votes
• 37:58
  Speaker 18: to get their own candidates into Parliament as independent Muslim MPs.
• 38:03
  Speaker 18: They need to ally with the useful idiots, or as
• 38:06
  Speaker 18: the Soviets called people in the West who were on
• 38:09
  Speaker 18: the left, ally with these Europeans who are useful idiots
• 38:14
  Speaker 18: who are our allies, and that way we can get
• 38:16
  Speaker 18: more MPs into Parliament. And you're seeing the same thing
• 38:20
  Speaker 18: in France now, a deliberate attempt by both the left
• 38:23
  Speaker 18: and the Islamic extremists.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: Why is that?
• 38:25
  Speaker 18: Because both the left and the Islamists are utopians. They
• 38:28
  Speaker 18: both believe in this promised land. But to get there
• 38:32
  Speaker 18: requires the death of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands
• 38:35
  Speaker 18: or millions. They are both sharing those same sort of
• 38:37
  Speaker 18: cultish qualities.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: I want to get your reaction on comments from both
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Hungary and Poland who say that they will not catch
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: the French disease. You've got Poland's Donald Tusk saying that
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Poland will not repeat the mistakes of other European countries,
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: nor will it pay for them. This is obviously going
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: to be a fight at the EU Council in Brussels.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: He vowed to defend the borders, reject asylum applications and
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: deport anyone who breaks Polish law.
• 39:10
  Speaker 18: Yes, well, of course, you see, the difference between Western
• 39:12
  Speaker 18: Europe and Eastern Europe is that Poland and Hungary, these
• 39:16
  Speaker 18: countries were wiped from the face of Europe whilst they
• 39:19
  Speaker 18: were under communist control. They lost their culture. They lost
• 39:22
  Speaker 18: their heritage. They lost their symbols of independence, their parliament, democracy,
• 39:29
  Speaker 18: their free speech.
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: All their flags went. So they lost.
• 39:32
  Speaker 18: Everything that made them distinctively a people. And as soon
• 39:36
  Speaker 18: as communism collapsed, they restored their old flags. They restored
• 39:40
  Speaker 18: their national anthems. So they know what it's like to
• 39:42
  Speaker 18: lose that, and they are determined not to go down
• 39:44
  Speaker 18: the path that we did. What happened to us in
• 39:46
  Speaker 18: the West is we've taken for granted too long our
• 39:49
  Speaker 18: liberties and our freedoms. We don't know what it's like
• 39:52
  Speaker 18: actually to suffer invasion. And that's why we've been so
• 39:55
  Speaker 18: willing to actually have it. We're the frog in the
• 39:57
  Speaker 18: boiling water. My mother is Polish. My ancestor led the
• 40:02
  Speaker 18: right flank of the cavalry at the siege of Vienna
• 40:05
  Speaker 18: in 1683 that stopped the Turks, the Muslims from coming
• 40:09
  Speaker 18: into Europe in 1683. So Poland and Hungary have a
• 40:12
  Speaker 18: long history of repelling people who are trying to invade.
• 40:16
  Speaker 18: And they don't want to make the same mistake that
• 40:18
  Speaker 18: they can see happening in the West.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: A quick comment before we go. We're, what, three weeks
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: out now from Remembrance Day. It's a huge day in Britain.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: We commemorate it here in Australia but not to the
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: same scale that you do. We tend to favour Anzac
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Day here. But obviously the poppy is a huge symbol.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: We recognise it right around the world. There's a British
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Pakistani doctor who, He suggests that Israel is a cancer.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: And he's now causing headlines over there. He's designed a
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: poppy for Remembrance Day, but it's a Palestinian flag on
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: the poppy.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't think of anything more disrespectful.
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  Speaker 18: You know, the poppy in Britain, certainly in Canada, I'm
• 41:02
  Speaker 18: not quite sure about Australia, but it's a huge symbol
• 41:05
  Speaker 18: of national remembrance and unity. And what they've done is
• 41:08
  Speaker 18: they've weaponised it and turned it into a sort of
• 41:11
  Speaker 18: a badge of protest. You know, they have 364 days
• 41:14
  Speaker 18: or 11 months a year to go on about Palestine.
• 41:18
  Speaker 18: This is something that is supposed to unite people together.
• 41:21
  Speaker 18: But what can you expect from a Palestine movement that
• 41:24
  Speaker 18: thinks nothing about, you know, trampling on poppy wreaths? They've
• 41:27
  Speaker 18: climbed onto the Battle of Britain Memorial. They've desecrated the
• 41:30
  Speaker 18: cenotaph over here. You know, we've lost religion in Britain
• 41:33
  Speaker 18: to a great degree. But the one thing that's almost
• 41:36
  Speaker 18: become a civic religion is our Remembrance Sunday service. And
• 41:39
  Speaker 18: we remember, of course, whether you're from the left or
• 41:41
  Speaker 18: the right, all of those who gave their today for
• 41:44
  Speaker 18: our tomorrow, to give people the freedom to go on
• 41:47
  Speaker 18: these protests.
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: And it's caused huge upset over here.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Ralph Hadle, Mancoo, thank you again for joining me. He's good,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: isn't he? Fabulous historian from Britain that I caught up with.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: In a recent trip, okay, quick break. After the break,
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: we'll get into things with the panellists. There's a lot
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: of pain for business with small businesses with red tape.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Let me explain to you just how bad some of
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: it is at the moment. All right, let's just bring
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: in my panel straight away. Nick Cater, of course, from
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: the Menzies Research Centre and Sky News host, or News
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: 24 host Sunday night, of course, Jamie Rogers. Welcome to
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: you both. Nick, I'm going to go to you first.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: $ 25, 000 a year is what we are told by the
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Small Business Ombudsman is the cost of red tape across Australia.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: But what's shocking here, it goes through some detail about
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Australia's anti-slavery obligations. These are just a whole new impost
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: on a small business that a poor old baker... has
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: to substantiate to government that the flour he uses and
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: the milk and the eggs or whatever is not in
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: the slave, modern slavery supply chain. I mean, this is
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: overkill beyond compare.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: Where will it stop, Peter?
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: I think the small business right now is just inundated
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: with this stuff. I mean, we've had the workplace laws
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: that have come into effect, the same job, same pay,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: the thing about people on temporary employment. We've had all
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: the environmental laws that have come in. We've had the
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: health and safety. The list goes on and on. And
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: it's not one individual piece of legislation that in the
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: end is going to push people out of business. It
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: is the cumulative effect. I'd be surprised if 25,000 was
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: the actual bill. It would be much bigger than that.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: But it's creating a culture where people are just too
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: scared to go into business because they just think that
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: the burden is too heavy. On that modern slavery thing,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: for instance, if they want to introduce that, maybe they
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: can have a look at the solar panels and batteries
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: that we're importing because the US is banning them from
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: certain countries where they use slave or forced labour. We're
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: not looking at that at all. We're just piling it
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: on small business.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Jamie, I know you've been fighting really hard in relation
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: to Victoria Barracks in Sydney. Comments today from the RSL
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: New South Wales president. Let's listen.
• 44:22
  Speaker 19: It has a strong tie to our military. It is
• 44:25
  Speaker 19: in a strategic location. The current government obviously feels that
• 44:30
  Speaker 19: it's not strategically placed. We must retain ownership of it
• 44:35
  Speaker 19: because in five or ten years' time, when people realise
• 44:39
  Speaker 19: that it is a strategic asset and it needs to
• 44:42
  Speaker 19: be occupied, it will be too late.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: All right, on the screen now will be details about
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: a rally this weekend, Jamie. But, you know, the fight
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: hasn't gone. Everybody's, in fact, marshalling their army towards this,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: pardon the pun. Are you going to be able to
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: win here?
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  Speaker 13: Well, Peter, I'll tell you what, I'll be out there
• 45:03
  Speaker 13: on Sunday and I encourage all of your viewers, if
• 45:06
  Speaker 13: you can, come and join us because this government has
• 45:09
  Speaker 13: picked the wrong fight.
• 45:10
  Speaker 12: We are not going away.
• 45:11
  Speaker 13: It is an absolute disgrace that they are now leading
• 45:14
  Speaker 13: to this fire sale. I want to know, Peter, why
• 45:17
  Speaker 13: this sudden rush? I know they are desperate for money,
• 45:19
  Speaker 13: but why do we suddenly need to urgently evacuate or
• 45:23
  Speaker 13: eviction all of the army personnel from the site because
• 45:29
  Speaker 13: some units, Peter, have nowhere to go. So why this
• 45:32
  Speaker 13: sudden rush? Is it because they want us out of
• 45:34
  Speaker 13: the headlines? Well, we're not going anywhere.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Let's go to comments made by Peter Reid, of course,
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: an expert in climate science and the Great Barrier Reef
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: over the weekend, because there's now calls after an independent
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: audit of the Bureau of Meteorology and errors, evidence errors
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: in their methodology, for there to be a full-scale inquiry
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: into climate data. Here's Peter Ridd.
• 46:03
  Speaker 20: It just shows a general complete lack of quality assurance
• 46:07
  Speaker 20: in the Bureau of Meteorology, which is much wider. Now,
• 46:10
  Speaker 20: what does it mean for the actual climate record? Well,
• 46:12
  Speaker 20: they've adjusted a lot of the old temperatures downwards, which
• 46:15
  Speaker 20: makes climate change look a little bit worse than it
• 46:17
  Speaker 20: really is.
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: But it's the quality assurance thing.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: Well, Nick, Tony Abbott says there's too much information out
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: there now to ignore. There must be a full and
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: independent inquiry.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Look, I'm sure there's a lot of historical data that
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: isn't 100% correct, but it's important that this is because
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: they put so much weight on it in terms of
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: current policy. If they're going to say we have a
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: warming climate, they have to be able to show that
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: they have reliable data. This data set is not reliable.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: We do need a full inquiry into what's gone wrong.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Notwithstanding the fact, of course, we're spending hundreds of billions
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: of dollars on climate policies without the data being corrected
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: and not seeing any modelling. I'll leave it there. Thank
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: you to you both, Jamie and Nick. All right, quick break.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: After the break, the wonderful Kel Richards. Kel Richards, everybody
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: loves you. Let's get straight into it. We might start
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: tonight with one from Ian, if we can. Where does
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: the expression... I don't care two hoots come from.
• 47:23
  Speaker 21: Started in the singular. I'm calling it, hang on, I
• 47:25
  Speaker 21: don't give two hoots. It's just making it more emphatic.
• 47:28
  Speaker 21: It started in America, 1878. And in those days, in
• 47:31
  Speaker 21: American slang, a hoot was a very small amount of something,
• 47:35
  Speaker 21: a minute amount of something. I only got a hoot
• 47:38
  Speaker 21: of whiskey in this glass, that kind of thing. And
• 47:41
  Speaker 21: probably because a hoot is a cry or a shout,
• 47:44
  Speaker 21: which is very brief. So if you don't give a hoot,
• 47:46
  Speaker 21: then you give so little that you don't care at all.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: All right. Milton is asking us about the phrase butter
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: wouldn't melt.
• 47:57
  Speaker 21: This is a tricky one. It goes back a long
• 47:59
  Speaker 21: way to about 1530. It means someone looks gentle and
• 48:02
  Speaker 21: innocent when they are not, when they are the opposite.
• 48:05
  Speaker 21: And it first turns up in English in a book by,
• 48:09
  Speaker 21: what's his name, John Palsgrove, a book about the French language.
• 48:12
  Speaker 21: And it's an old French proverb. Now, when we go
• 48:14
  Speaker 21: back to proverbs, we are going back into the dim
• 48:16
  Speaker 21: and distant past. So who coined the proverb? We don't know.
• 48:20
  Speaker 21: But the idea is clearly someone is looking cool, so
• 48:24
  Speaker 21: cool that the butter wouldn't melt. But in fact, they're
• 48:27
  Speaker 21: boiling inside. But it goes back to the distant French past,
• 48:31
  Speaker 21: I think.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Lion in the sand, Knowles says. Does this expression come
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: from the Alamo? That's what he's been told. Is that true?
• 48:42
  Speaker 21: Might be. The real answer is we don't know. It
• 48:45
  Speaker 21: might come from the Alamo when Colonel William Travis drew
• 48:48
  Speaker 21: a lion in the sand. and said to anyone who
• 48:50
  Speaker 21: was prepared to die in the Alamo, step across the
• 48:53
  Speaker 21: line and join me. And they all did, every single
• 48:55
  Speaker 21: one of them. But before that, the Spartans at Thermopylae
• 48:58
  Speaker 21: drew a line and said, we won't retreat any further
• 49:01
  Speaker 21: than this. There was a Roman general who drew a
• 49:04
  Speaker 21: line facing an opponent saying, step across this, you're at
• 49:08
  Speaker 21: war with Rome. But the problem is the expression doesn't
• 49:12
  Speaker 21: turn up till the 1950s. So how do you connect
• 49:16
  Speaker 21: one historical event from the past with something as late
• 49:19
  Speaker 21: as the 1950s? It's a puzzle. All right.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Great effort. See you next week. Thank you, Kel. Thank
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: you to you all. See you tomorrow night. Here's Andrew.